Zenki VS Kouki ?

[samms95s14se]

I thought just for fun I would see what everyones opinion is on which S14 they like more? For example I like the zenki front end and the lights when they look new and clear it always reminds me of the old Skyline R32 kinda, and I have heard someone say they did a front end kouki conversion and after awhile kinda missed the old zenki look. I mean I'll take either one.. but to spend the money to change the front end is not on my to do list no time soon!...or if everyone could would they just change their zenki into a kouki????

[slivia-junkie]

i like the kouki looks more aressive

[m0rex]

Search. This has been covered a million times. Its also more about personal preference yet the kouki looks more agressive but i still love my zenki. :lockd:

[Siizzzoooo]

kouki turns more heads imo

[HyperTek]

240sx Kouki is ugly..
Silvia Kouki is nice
All versions of Zenki look good.

[WongFeiHung]

Kouki is easy to make good...but when you do a Zenki right...it's its own kinda sexy! :bite:

But yeah...why do you care what WE think...

[420sx]

why dont u get some skirts first... :)

[mike13]

http://users.adelphia.net/~mrosswog/s14/03-29/before-after.jpg

[Andrew Bohan]

zenki > kouki

[SimpleSexy180]

ZENKI looks like a woman car kouki agressive MAN car

[mike13]

zenki > kouki
pfft

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[North240]

kouki turns more heads imo
exactly why i prefer the zenki, but its a moo point

[zero.counter]

http://users.adelphia.net/~mrosswog/s14/03-29/before-after.jpg
If you are going to post a modded car and compare, then equally post the other in a similarly modded form. :boink:

[ghostuss]

I find both car can look good or bad depending on the mod. Out of factory I think the Jdm kouki aero is might good looking, but I like the zenki aero sideskirt more than the kouki sideskirt.

[mike13]

If you are going to post a modded car and compare, then equally post the other in a similarly modded form. :boink:
this is all stock to stock... all OEM parts

i wouldnt call that "modded" except for the paint and carbon hood

[AenjukuCar]

:coold: I definitely Rock the Zenki look through and through. Never Would change. The only thing I plan on adding body wise to mine is the greddy front lip, Zenki Aero sides or Nismo 270R sides, and Zenki rear add-ons or Nismo 270R rear.

Mike13:
What wheels are those? Love that sunken spoke look in the rear.

Samms95s14se:
What did you do to your headlights??

[infinitexsound]

s15.3 now thats a pimp car... zenki because less heads turn

[Andrew Bohan]

zenki with a kit is very sex.
kouki looks awesome from the front, but it's sooo wrong from the side. it looks like it has downs syndrome. eyes too small.
zenki looks good from all around. the headlights match the rest of the curves of the car.

[Ritz S14]

http://users.adelphia.net/~mrosswog/s14/03-29/before-after.jpg

Meh.. your "kouki" has zenki aero.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/smogtec/Untitled-3.jpg
Mines the opposite.

Zenki front end > Kouki front end. :)

[Eternal_240Sx]

kouki looks awesome from the front, but it's sooo wrong from the side. it looks like it has downs syndrome. eyes too small.

:rofl: :rofl:

[aznpoopy]

meh they're both cars made for women anyway.

zenki b/c lines flow better. curvy body, curvy lights.

[OptionZero]

its not necessarily "zenki" aero since those skirts were an option on koukis i believe.

[Ritz S14]

its not necessarily "zenki" aero since those skirts were an option on koukis i believe.

Well, they're not called "kouki" aero are they?

[SoCalSilvia]

zenki with a kit is very sex.
kouki looks awesome from the front, but it's sooo wrong from the side. it looks like it has downs syndrome. eyes too small.
zenki looks good from all around. the headlights match the rest of the curves of the car.

bingo... right on bro

[ghostuss]

zenki aero...Haha got you there... most ppl do kouki front end cause the yellow foggy zenki lights. Get glass euro lights and a kit, i believe that will look just as hot if not HOTTER than kouki with a kit.

[revat619]

I have a kouki and i think zenki looks better. It matches the lines of the car sooo much better. Look at aftermarket kouki bumpers...other than jdm stock with the gracer lip, they all look out of place, IMO. Look at the vertex s14 kouki and the zenki. IMO, the kouki front bumper just doesnt look right, the zenki on the other hand is pure hottness.

but dont choke on your cherrios you moochers, im not selling my kouki front! :D

[Raysurc]

which one is zenki and kouki's? koukies are the s14s made in '97-'98 right? :Owned:

[sw20>>s14]

i like kouki front because its more aggresive and the hood looks perfect with the front end. but since i painted my car and added a lip, zenki is the shit...

[s14srpilot]

http://users.adelphia.net/~mrosswog/s14/03-29/before-after.jpg

Let's use this pic for after:http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wODQ0MTQyNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

[ALTRNTV]

Kouki for me.

[AllenRPS13]

i like both as it is 240

[driftyour40]

My vote is for Zenki. This is my opinion on it; almost every kouki I have seen is beautiful, and washed often, with pretty paint, or a drift car. Zenkis for the most part are well-driven cars, some with battle damage and some w/out.

This is I guess the point.
Zenkis = driven hard
Koukis = Clean, kind of a show car.

This is of course a generalization of what I have seen, and I'm by no means implying that people that own Koukis drive like little girls, and zenki owners drive their cars like sports cars should be driven. :rawk:

[dct223]

i rock the zenki!

at first i wanted a kouki... but then the more i looked at zenkis the more i loved it... Koukis are over raited IMO... everybody wants the kouki...

from this pic... i dont see why people like the kouki more... the zenki front end fits the body lines of a s14 a lil better i think.

http://davidtsen2000.home.comcast.net/xanga/s14s.jpg

(i did not take this pic... but ty for the person who did and the owners of these cars)

[sw20>>s14]

My vote is for Zenki. This is my opinion on it; almost every kouki I have seen is beautiful, and washed often, with pretty paint, or a drift car. Zenkis for the most part are well-driven cars, some with battle damage and some w/out.

This is I guess the point.
Zenkis = driven hard
Koukis = Clean, kind of a show car.

This is of course a generalization of what I have seen, and I'm by no means implying that people that own Koukis drive like little girls, and zenki owners drive their cars like sports cars should be driven. :rawk:

so far, i have seen the same. this applies to the majority but not all that i have seen...

[IGSDann]

I like both.... But I drive Kouki, and if I had to buy another S14 I'd try to get a kouki, but Zenki's can be hot too... Turbo or no turbo matters more to me.

[SilviaSR20DET]

I own a zenki and a kouki.... at first i thought kouki was the ish but now my zenki with a lip changed my whole perception of the car. There both nice cars, kouki does in fact get more looks because of it being rare but as most ppl say the front of kouki dont really fit with the rest of the car. Zenki with rims and body kit compared to a kouki with similar exterior mods, the zenki would look nicer IMO Its really hard to choose between the two cause both possess different styles.

[WanganRunner]

I honestly have no preference.

I have a '98 Silver Moss 5spd LE (so Kouki), which is a fairly rare car, but I didn't really seek it out. I just bought the first S14 that I could find that was in truly incredible condition (which was the most important thing).

Had I found a Zenki in a more common color in such condition, I'd have bought that, which I probably wouldn't have paid through the nose for quite so much.

I really like Zenki's with Eyelids though. They retain the square nose look without the headlights looking bulbous.

[BSeay]

i used to be all about the kouki, but then i seen the zenki with the glass headlights or clear headlights for that matter...i was sold after that...

Zenki > Kouki

[mr_240sx]

my opinion on all this is that a zenki doesnt look good stock while a kouki looks hot stock. the other thing though, is if a zenki had hot aero then i think it looks much hotter then a kouki! with the right aero, the zenki follows the body lines reall good!

[420sx]

kouki looks slick with stock jdm aero.

and zenki looks right. hell u can rag on a zenki, if u wreck it u can go another front end, its all plug and play biach!

[xVaporx]

either is fine, but i have always wanted a kouki so I converted mine

[Ian]

i'm on my 2nd zenki front end...guess which one i like more? lol

[seksi240]

Zenki's for 100% sure, just matches up better with the rest of the car. I hate Kouki! But I don't really care either way, I have an S13, haha.

[linkwpc]

I think stock Zenki need something to look just as good or better then a stock Kouki. With out that something, stock Kouki looks better. I got a zenki because it was cheap then a kouki :hs: But I think Zenki has a nice charm to it.

[KOUKI KA-T]

Well, they're not called "kouki" aero are they?

Nope, they're called optional aero as they were an option on both. They aren't "zenki" sides...

I like both, but US kouki bumpers are ugly as hell.

[OptionZero]

yeah, the guy at nissan that dropped the jdm bumper for the usdm bumper should be shot. Twice.

[dct223]

since this is the zenki vs kouki topic....

there was a fellow zilvian, that told me the kouki chassis was a little stiffer than the zenki.. and if you looked at the differences in the frame you could see..... i responded "WTF" when he told me that... arent they the same damn chassis???

[ALTRNTV]

They are the same chassis.

[samms95s14se]

:coold: I definitely Rock the Zenki look through and through. Never Would change. The only thing I plan on adding body wise to mine is the greddy front lip, Zenki Aero sides or Nismo 270R sides, and Zenki rear add-ons or Nismo 270R rear.

Mike13:
What wheels are those? Love that sunken spoke look in the rear.

Samms95s14se:
What did you do to your headlights??


They are just the JDM ones almost brand new!!

And the guy who said it's a girl car can go tell that to the Drift King who used the Zenki in the Drift Bible!!!!!

[RedlineRacer]

i love kouki. Its looks best with JDM aero.

[SimpleS14]

I agree that the USDM Kouki bumper is ugly as hell. I like Zenki because it flows with the rest of the car, but right now I have a Kouki front end because I love the JDM stock body and I wanted projector headlights.

since this is the zenki vs kouki topic....

there was a fellow zilvian, that told me the kouki chassis was a little stiffer than the zenki.. and if you looked at the differences in the frame you could see..... i responded "WTF" when he told me that... arent they the same damn chassis???

The chassis is alittle stiffer around the T/C brackets and I believe the front brake calipers are a tad better.

[fdaze]

i gotta say ZENKI not just cause i have one but i think it flows more with the way the body is i mean the kouki looks great i gotta say but from my opinion everyone wants to go kouki i dont wanna spend some cash and switch over to kouki when i can spend that cash on something more worth my penny like on performance or handling other then just that look of the kouki's headlights ...

ive seen people with zenki's just spray part of the headlights to make it look like the shape of the kouki style and some just use electric tape to cover parts off too

[Ghst 01]

Zenki for me too.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/585000-585999/585615_4.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/585000-585999/585615_1.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/585000-585999/585615_5.jpg
love the front
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/585000-585999/585615_14.jpg

[driftyour40]

i'm on my 2nd zenki front end...guess which one i like more? lol

I'm on my third, :rawk:

[driftracer]

I think it's so easy to get on the bandwagon and do the kouki conversion, that you just forget to look a little harder at the zenki and see what it has the potential to be. I've changed my mind about kouki now, and I intend on making my zenki look better with nice aero :)

[TachyonS14]

Kouki owns all period. I mean why are there so many Zenki owners who do Kouki front end swaps? I rest my case. And plus, everywhere I go people look at my car. Zenki is too bland for my taste.

[Prok0]

http://davidtsen2000.home.comcast.net/xanga/s14s.jpg

(i did not take this pic... but ty for the person who did and the owners of these cars)

I've seen both of those cars in real life.. Very nice cars..
IMO the more I look at my Zenki front end the more I love it.
Flows better I think... Just looks right..
Zenki <3

[KOUKI KA-T]

I mean why are there so many Zenki owners who do Kouki front end swaps? I rest my case.
See, I told you all altezza lights were hott. Why else would everyone be doing it?

[KyoLo]

i'd go with majority of taste from people, KOUKI
simply becoz i loved kouki so i bought my car back then 2001. Still like it a lot.

But zenki has its own clean taste when well modified moderately.

[KOUKI KA-T]

In US trim the zenki looks better IMO.
But with the JDM bumper I think the Kouki looks better, and flows just as well.
Comparison of all 3...... (someone should photoshop mine black)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/srhamlin/zenkivskouki.jpg


But damn everytime I look at that pic I like that black zenki more and more....
Zenki conversion time? :rofl:

[TurDz]

IMO, I think (JDM) Kouki flows just as well as Zenkis. I don't think either looks better than the other, but Kouki is closer to today's styles. This thread just proves one thing: people grow to love their cars, and people just have unique tastes, so you can't call one any better than the other.

In the pic below, I believe jdm kouki flows nicely. And like others, the USDM front bumper is okay, but looks a bit too messy for the overall clean style of the car.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/turdz/kouki.jpg

[beavis360]

This is like trying to choose which twin to get with.

[Ritz S14]

This is like trying to choose which twin to get with.

Um.. the one with bigger headlights.. :rawk:

[s14srpilot]

IMO, I think (JDM) Kouki flows just as well as Zenkis. I don't think either looks better than the other, but Kouki is closer to today's styles. This thread just proves one thing: people grow to love their cars, and people just have unique tastes, so you can't call one any better than the other.

In the pic below, I believe jdm kouki flows nicely. And like others, the USDM front bumper is okay, but looks a bit too messy for the overall clean style of the car.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/turdz/kouki.jpg

Those are some nice ZENKI side skirts on your kouki :/

[KOUKI KA-T]

Those are some nice ZENKI side skirts on your kouki :/

Bah, try reading like 10 posts back. They aren't Zenki sides. They were optional on all JDM s14's... zenki came first so everyone just automatically calls them zenki sides.

[dct223]

LOL wouldnt that be a trip... kouki owners converting to zenki... i guess u can make some extra $$ =P

[SimpleS14]

dct223 - Russ (R240NA) changed his Kouki to a Zenki.

But damn everytime I look at that pic I like that black zenki more and more....
Zenki conversion time? :rofl:

Yes....go with the Zenki front end..you will LOVE it....


now sell me your front lip so I can get you started. :D

[Dousan_PG]

zenki face
kouki taillamps

mm the best of both worlds!

[OptionZero]

or kouki face, zenki tails...even better =P

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/OptionAero/Kouki%20Twins/DSCN1194.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/OptionAero/Kouki%20Twins/DSCN1200.jpg

[Dousan_PG]

um..no sir, its not.

[Ritz S14]

um..no sir, its not.

Xs eleventybillion.

[ICKY]

After looking at tons of S14's, kouki was the car that I wanted, but I ended up with a zenki... and I have no regrets what-so-ever!

[revat619]

i cant believe this thread is actually still going....

Seriously, whatever floats your boat and finds your lost remote, buy that one! Now everybody STFU i'm locking this!

no not really, im just post whoring for once. :D

carry on gentlemen. :bow:

[gorgasm]

LOL wouldnt that be a trip... kouki owners converting to zenki... i guess u can make some extra $$ =P
Its been done, And he did it because he honestly likes the Zenki front end better :)

[MoK]

Can't we all just be friends.



Kouki all the way :naughty:

[evilimport]

Zenki face own!! Especially with the Euro headlights (I have a euro set installed...day and night front end difference). S14 kouki tails own the zenki though....

I mostly dont like the chopped up/messy front bumper on the kouki and the headlights make it look like its squinting or slant eyed... :bow:

[JuJuBee]

since this is the zenki vs kouki topic....

there was a fellow zilvian, that told me the kouki chassis was a little stiffer than the zenki.. and if you looked at the differences in the frame you could see..... i responded "WTF" when he told me that... arent they the same damn chassis???


there are difference, minor but still, they are there

perhaps someone who knows more such as mav can chime in but yes, chassis is the same basically, but kouki a little stiffer

[FaLKoN240]

I don't have either one, but I would trade my S13 for any S14 :loco:

Zenki is cool, even though sometimes I think it's an older Camry front end at night. I like it.

Never seen the Euro, or JDM housings, but the USDM headlight housings are ass, because
1. They ugly.
2. They get all messed up and look like a shower door covered in soap scum.

But I'd still rock a Zenki. :coold:

Kouki is sexy though. :blah:

O yeah, and Zenki tails ARE UGLY.

[Pank]

the Kouki front seems to be...I dunno, too thin for me, especially with the USDM bumper.

Also, i think i'm the only person in the world that prefers the Zenki tails over the koukis ridged potato chips.

[aznpoopy]

Zenki is cool, even though sometimes I think it's an older Camry front end at night. I like it.


yes!!! that is one of the main reasons i got a s14. i loved my old camry and the s14 is so reminiscient of it.

i like zenki tails over kouki tails as well. but the kouki tails do match kouki s14s pretty well. they go along with the sharper feeling of the car's shape.

[s14srpilot]

Bah, try reading like 10 posts back. They aren't Zenki sides. They were optional on all JDM s14's... zenki came first so everyone just automatically calls them zenki sides.

Bah whoever posted that was WRONG. Those side skirts were designed BEFORE the kouki came out. They part of a jdm Nissan factory option aero kit designed for the ZENKI s14. Therefore, they are ZENKI side skirts.

When the kouki came out, Nissan designed new side skirts for the kouki, hence they are called kouki side skirts. Nissan also offered them on usdm models. Furthermore, no one calls kouki side skirts zenki side skirts so your reasoning is flawed.

kouki peeps don't think that the kouki side skirts don't look half as good as the zenki ones so they rock the ZENKI ones. IMHO ZENKI side skirts ones flow MUCH better than kouki ones, just like the lines of the ZENKI flow better than the lines of the kouki :D

[KOUKI KA-T]

Bah whoever posted that was WRONG. Those side skirts were designed BEFORE the kouki came out. They part of a jdm Nissan factory option aero kit designed for the ZENKI s14. Therefore, they are ZENKI side skirts.

When the kouki came out, Nissan designed new side skirts for the kouki, hence they are called kouki side skirts. Nissan also offered them on usdm models. Furthermore, no one calls kouki side skirts zenki side skirts so your reasoning is flawed.

kouki peeps don't think that the kouki side skirts don't look half as good as the zenki ones so they rock the ZENKI ones. IMHO ZENKI side skirts ones flow MUCH better than kouki ones, just like the lines of the ZENKI flow better than the lines of the kouki :D

I posted it, and no I'm not wrong. They were optional sides for all s14 from the factory.
I'm not "reasoning" anything.

[s13panda2004]

Here's a picture of the zenki S14

http://www.imagehog.com/uploads/801574ceab.jpg

[WanganRunner]

LOL wouldnt that be a trip... kouki owners converting to zenki... i guess u can make some extra $$ =P

I've actually thought about doing that.

I've got a '98 Silver Moss Kouki, and if someone offered to paint their Zenki front to match my car, I've always said that I *might* be willing to trade front ends (I wouldn't pay to paint mine to match theirs).

It'd probably be the only Silver Moss Zenki in the world. Of course, I'm not really sure I'd ever want to do this, as it'd negatively affect my resale value.

[KOUKI KA-T]

I'd just buy a zenki instead of converting the kouki front end to one. Just have both, but how to decide which one to drive each day...

[inertia]

ugh this argument will never be over, the zenki owners will say their's are better and kouki's too. and since we all luv the 240 its all the same.... but if you ask someone who isent into our 240sx world, then i usually get the answer that the kouki is better looking.

[s14srpilot]

I posted it, and no I'm not wrong. They were optional sides for all s14 from the factory.
I'm not "reasoning" anything.

It is true that they will fit any s14. You can call them whatever you want. Good luck getting people to understand you.

"Yeah, I like those s14 side skirts. Which ones? Um...the ones that come on that jdm factory kit on the ZENKI s14. Oh, ZENKI side skirts!"

I call them ZENKI side skirts so that people will know which side skirts I am talking about, just like people call the 97-98 s14 side skirts KOUKI side skirts. What's the big deal?

Lots of zenki owners sport tail lights from the 97-98 s14. What are they called? S14 KOUKI tail lights. Why? So that people will know which tail lights they are talking about. No one calls them zenki tail lights. It is what it is. Deal with it :D

[s14srpilot]

Here's a real life example haha:

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=76054

WTB: S14 Sideskirts

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm looking for some sideskirts for my s14. Please no OEM Kouki sides. Color will not matter. Locals first please.

Located in So Cal, Oxnard.

[KOUKI KA-T]

Deleted, I'm all set w/ that lame argument.

[SimpleS14]

s14srpilot - You've proved your point well enough....

[TurDz]

s14srpilot - You've proved your point well enough....

actually, he hasn't. Where's the actual evidence? he's basing everything he knows on the stuff he's learned on this forum. which i must say is sometimes inaccurate and heresay.

I can't believe I'm doing this, but for the sake of ACCURACY, here's some shots of my catalog from japan:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/turdz/IMG_2876.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/turdz/IMG_2877.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/turdz/IMG_2878.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/turdz/IMG_2879.jpg

so pleeease...stop debate on something soo stupid. :hug: "I love S14!!"

[revat619]

Thank you TurDz!! :bowdown:

I knew somebody had a pic of it somewhere!

[samms95s14se]

On the second pic the front bumper and the side skirts dont even seem to match! :loco:

[ge0man]

http://www.ge0man.com/careyelid2.jpg

zenki love.. :-)

[s14srpilot]

actually, he hasn't. Where's the actual evidence? he's basing everything he knows on the stuff he's learned on this forum. which i must say is sometimes inaccurate and heresay.

so pleeease...stop debate on something soo stupid. :hug: "I love S14!!"

Inaccurate and hearsay? Son you better get your facts straight. All you have proven is that those side skirts will fit on a kouki s14. They were still designed BEFORE the kouki came out.

FYI There is ALSO a brochure of the zenki s14 with that kit that was printed BEFORE the kouki came out. I didn't post it because I don't have it but they are sold on ebay. Why didn't you post it?

They FIRST came out on the zenki s14 catalog and AGAIN that is why I call them ZENKI side skirts.

[SimpleS14]

Turdz - I just made that post because I was annoyed with this arguement. lol BTW....can you get me the front lip and headlights? Have you noticed the headlights do not have the fluted design like the USDM headlights?

s14srpilot - Why do you have a Kouki in your sig?

[s14srpilot]

Turdz - I just made that post because I was annoyed with this arguement. lol BTW....can you get me the front lip and headlights? Have you noticed the headlights do not have the fluted design like the USDM headlights?

s14srpilot - Why do you have a Kouki in your sig?

I like the picture. Do I need a reason? If I could find a zenki one I'd rock it.

[SimpleS14]

I like the picture. Do I need a reason? If I could find a zenki one I'd rock it.

The reason is because you like it.....but the text in your sig reads "My Zenki". :)

[BlackSilvia96]

PWNED!! Hahahaah....sorry I just wanted to say that.....

[ghostuss]

Hate kouki sideskirt.... Love zenki aero sideskirt...

Love zenki or kouki tail lights but I would not spend 300 dollar for kouki tail lights only if you are totally converting to kouki. Zenki needs to stay with zenki tail lights. They ain't bad looking anywayz.

[s14srpilot]

pwned my ass. I was trying to show some love for kouki's by rocking a picture of one in my sig but since some of you wanna be fucking assholes about it...:fawkd:

[Gladman]

I own an s13 so im not biased. Kouki is way better looking, if you disagree its probably because you own a zenki :D

[Ritz S14]

Seriously. Koukis are nice, but I doubt I'd ever trade my zenki for a kouki. Just giving you kouki owners a hard time.

[Gladman]

Pls refer to the photo of the camry :D

[samms95s14se]

Pls refer to the photo of the camry :D


Hey Jordan!! Trip out.... It's samms88lude from preludepower.com if you can remember me and digitalsaint2050 bought your cold air intkes, strut bars and short shifters and they are still working good!

Also the more I look at kouki's now the more I notice that the front really dosen't match all that well with the rest of the body from a front/sideview so NO kouki conversion for me!!

[OptionZero]

In 1997, if I walk up to a Nissan dealership and order the full optional aero package, do they tell me I"m getting "zenki" side skirts?

The analogy with taillights is not accurate- you cannot buy a Zenki from the factory with kouki taillights. The kouki tail lights ONLY come from kouki s14's; they *fit* on any s14, but they COME from only one source.

If I walk into a Japanese junk yard and find a junked s14 kouki with the FULL AERO PACKAGE, and I remove the sideskirts, am I holding KOUKI sideskirts? am I holding ZENKI side skirts?

No sir.

I am holding s14 optional aero side skirts. Not Zenki. Why is it so important for you to "claim" them as if they are some sort of exclusive item for the zenki?

Nissan sold s14 koukis from the factory with your so-called zenki skirts! I think that takes away all the zenki-ness right there!

jeez

[roo]

http://www.ksp-eng.co.jp/ATTAIN/menu3/images/photo1.jpg

zenki....plus kouki?

[Doriftomodachi]

In 1997, if I walk up to a Nissan dealership and order the full optional aero package, do they tell me I"m getting "zenki" side skirts?

If it's a dealership in the United States the dealer won't know what the hell you are talking about. :keke:

The analogy with taillights is not accurate- you cannot buy a Zenki from the factory with kouki taillights. The kouki tail lights ONLY come from kouki s14's; they *fit* on any s14, but they COME from only one source.

Read what you wrote. You are correct that you cannot buy a zenki model with kouki tail lights. I never said that you can. That is why zenki tail lights and kouki tail lights are called what they are and my analogy is spot on.

If I walk into a Japanese junk yard and find a junked s14 kouki with the FULL AERO PACKAGE, and I remove the sideskirts, am I holding KOUKI sideskirts? am I holding ZENKI side skirts?

No sir

You are buying side skirts that were designed BEFORE the kouki came out. You are buying early model side skirts (interesting, what's the word for early model...zenki???) and NOT the newer design side skirts (um...kouki?) :keke:

I am holding s14 optional aero side skirts designed BEFORE the kouki.

Yes you are holding the s14 optional aero side skirts designed BEFORE the kouki, ie. ZENKI side skirts...What a concept! ZENKI SIDE SKIRTS !:keke:


Why is it so important for you to "claim" them as if they are some sort of exclusive item for the zenki?

I never "claimed" anything. I just said that I call them ZENKI side skirts. You can whine about it all you want. There is no FORMAL name for them. Here's a clue:THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY. I will always call them zenki side skirts.:keke:

Besides, i think it makes it easier to understand what skirts I am talking about.

Oops this is my other sn. I had better change my signature picture before I get "pwned" :ghey:

[TurDz]

iirc, aren't you the guy who bought used kei offices?

anyway, i can't believe this whole thread has turned into why side skirts are called what they are. as i said before, "i love s14!!" :hug:

[Doriftomodachi]

What does buying used kei office coilovers have to do with zenki side skirts?

[SimpleS14]

s14srpilot and Doriftomodachi the same person...or just share the same sig pic? :D

I read the previous posts...and I'm done with the random off-topic posts. Lets just call the side skirts whatever we want and like ALL S14s.

[aznpoopy]

Lets just call the side skirts whatever we want and like ALL S14s.

agreed...

c'mon guys, it's not really worth arguing over.

[m0rex]

Stop jacking the damn thread atleast. BTW: i once went to my local Nissan dealer and asked them if they could sell me a S15 headlight then i realized this wasent japan.

[SilviaDriver]

not another "s14b vs s14a" type of argument

one person claims they are "zenki" skirts only name

the other is claiming they dont have a name rather "optional"

call them watever the fuck you want, as long as you know wth you are tlakin about

[ALTRNTV]

Here's a real life example haha:

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=76054

WTB: S14 Sideskirts

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm looking for some sideskirts for my s14. Please no OEM Kouki sides. Color will not matter. Locals first please.

Located in So Cal, Oxnard.

Haha, that's my WTB ad.

[ALTRNTV]

And to all of you, can't we all just get along? =D

[HyperTek]

u know whats gay,, every black kouki s14 ends up looking the same once people start putting body kits on...

[m0rex]

u know whats gay,, every black kouki s14 ends up looking the same once people start putting body kits on...

Thats soo true its not even funny.

[SimpleS14]

not another "s14b vs s14a" type of argument

one person claims they are "zenki" skirts only name

the other is claiming they dont have a name rather "optional"

call them watever the fuck you want, as long as you know wth you are tlakin about

but its annoying when people type "s14b"........

[SilviaDriver]

but its annoying when people type "s14b"........

but its annoying people are arguing over side skirts to call it this or that

[turbozxi]

Modded Kouki owns modded Zenki in my opinion. But I still like my zenki.

[mr_240sx]

for soem reason, the kouki headlights dont seem to follow the lines of the car when it has aero installed.

[BlackSilvia96]

u know whats gay,, every black kouki s14 ends up looking the same once people start putting body kits on...



Not all, mines is black and I'm sporting a trial force bumper.......but the bumper is blue....hahahaha......I'll take a pic one day and put it up.... :wiggle:



BlackSilvia96

[Andrew Bohan]

i dunno why this you guys are still talking about this. i pretty much summed it all up on the first page :mephfawk:

[KwKouki]

I go through phases. I fell in love with the kouki though, it was what got me liking the 240sx

[dorifto-san4o8]

i love the zenki look when done right. but i sold my zenki to buy a kouki. I NEED JDM AERO!!!

[TurboZenki]

Nissan sold a bunch of Zenki's in the US, then they started making Koukis and next thing you know nobody bought the car anymore... which also made Nissan stop selling 240's in the US. Which denied us the S15. Seems like purists are more about the zenki...

[justinhustle]

why do we bump the damn threads that are so damn old

=/

[420sx]

zenki looks fuckin hot with a right kit. just need to get the glass lights:)

[MakotoS13]

if the S13 wasn't such an unrefined pile i'd say it owns all.

[OMGWTFBBQ]

zenki with a kit is very sex.
kouki looks awesome from the front, but it's sooo wrong from the side. it looks like it has downs syndrome. eyes too small.
zenki looks good from all around. the headlights match the rest of the curves of the car.

exactly my friend

Straight on kouki looks pretty savage (but not by a huge margin at all over zenki) but the rest of the car doesn't have the body lines to pull it all together. I'd take my zenki anytime. Just me though..

[hunterljc]

Stock kouki > stock zenki

both can look bad with some tasteful mods but I'd never trade my kouki for a zenki.

[statik]

Stock kouki > stock zenki

both can look bad with some tasteful mods but I'd never trade my kouki for a zenki.

agreed, stock for stock the kouki wins, zenki reminds me of a camry without the right mods, but with some clean aero and german headlights it looks hot

[CreAziaN]

http://users.adelphia.net/~mrosswog/s14/03-29/before-after.jpg


SKEET SKEET SKEET :coold:

Aren't you from OT? :mamoru:

[Dan949]

once modded zenki

[ManoNegra]

Bumping old tired threads in a no-no.

[Pank]

you know its an old thread when theres a Makoto post in it


once modded zenki

and what the goddamn does that even mean?

[fatalfury64]

Kouki's look mean, but i wouldn't mine having a zenki from the drift bible.

[gorgasm]

Kouki's look mean, but i wouldn't mine having a zenki from the drift bible.

http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal1/orly_clinton.jpg

damn this topic has been beaten to death. why raise it. WHY

[REDSH!FT]

Because some people don't understand why Zenki's are better...


:D

[SimpleS14]

[/thread]

Please........

[chlatboy]

you know its an old thread when theres a Makoto post in it




and what the goddamn does that even mean?

Poor Makoto. He was a guy who stuck it to the man. Whoever the man was!!!!

[!Zar!]

Poor Makoto. He was a guy who stuck it to the man. Whoever the man was!!!!
Un... No?

He was a idiot who thought he was the man.

[Revolver Ocelot]

Rofl, this thread was revived twice.

[Omarius Maximus]

Kouki owns, as long as the kouki gets the last word in this thread

[samms95s14se]

Wow! this is back. This thread was only meant to get people's opinion on what they liked about the differences in the two, not to determine which one is better! Also I wouldn't say Kouki owns anything.... more like borrowed over half the body of the Zenki instead of getting it's own full redesign. For example... notice there is only one style of R32,R33 and R34? So if you want to get technical about it Zenki does own Kouki!! since it was the original S14.

[Omarius Maximus]

Regardless, the kouki is in greater demand. If you try to sell both a zenki and a kouki, both in good condition, which will command a higher price? The kouki, because its in greater demand. Its in demand because its rare, hasn't been abused, and it also doesn't look like a toyota previa.

[240trainee]

and it's newer? and generally they are in better condition and lower miles, for whatever reason besides age.

[Dunkee]

Bah most Koukis now were originally Zenki's w/ a facelift. I like to think mine looks like an R33 from the front

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/9ca260ef06.jpg

:mephfawk: Previas

Hopefully this will get locked soon and Zenki will end it for the win..

[Pank]

Regardless, the kouki is in greater demand. If you try to sell both a zenki and a kouki, both in good condition, which will command a higher price? The kouki, because its in greater demand. Its in demand because its rare, hasn't been abused, and it also doesn't look like a toyota previa.


then i have 2 240sx's, then :(
http://random-m.com/images/1530427064_IMG_1359.jpg

(old picture, i polished the headlights and the previa is sitting next to a dumpster in my roommakes jobs parking lot)

[SimpleS14]

(old picture, i polished the headlights and the previa is sitting next to a dumpster in my roommakes jobs parking lot)


If you took the picture with the S14 and the Previa front end side-by-side...that would have been a classic...

[Omarius Maximus]

I wonder if zenki and previa headlights are interchangeable haha. You seriously should have taken pics side by side. I have a question for all you zenki people; If I offered you a kouki in the same condition and with the same mods as your car, would you trade? Dig deep in your heart and give me the truth...

[aznpoopy]

um, that would be a hell no.

[turbozxi]

I wonder if zenki and previa headlights are interchangeable haha. You seriously should have taken pics side by side. I have a question for all you zenki people; If I offered you a kouki in the same condition and with the same mods as your car, would you trade? Dig deep in your heart and give me the truth...
Definitely. More modern car with a much more aggresive/clean frontend.

[!Zar!]

IMO, the kouki's lines don't flow propperly. It starts off agressive and ends soft.

Stock for stock, I think the zenki looks sexy, the kouki has the whole, "Razor tampon" look going on.

Now with aero, zenki's look better for a vip-like style. While the kouki looks better for crazy extreme aero.

I've had plenty of chances to get a kouki, or go kouki front, but it just isn't my style.

So for his/her own...

[KwKouki]

stock = Zenki

modified = Kouki

I am not a fan of the BOXY boring USDM Kouki front. Even with a lip it doesnt look right. It doesnt match the car......at all.

[Dunkee]

I have a question for all you zenki people; If I offered you a kouki in the same condition and with the same mods as your car, would you trade? Dig deep in your heart and give me the truth...
Same as ^
The Kouki does look sexy as hell when it is kitted up but definitely not stock. Back in the day when I had smacked up my front end, I considered getting the facelift but I felt that's the easy and uncreative way of making the S14 look good. I like to go against what everybody else is doing and just work w/ wat I got. I like the stock look..I have stock sideskirts, stock looking bumper...looks somewhat factory. I don't like stock looking koukis though. So no I wouldn't trade.

[OptionZero]

lets all pretend the USDM kouki bumper doesn't exist and compare it to the JDM bumper, which owns any zenki front end, stock or aftermarket



Kouki = projectors
zenki = yellow, muddy plastic and halogens

kouki ftw

/thread

[Omarius Maximus]

^^agreed 100%. You don't see group buys on stock zenki headlights. You also don't see front end conversions for koukis to go back to zenkis. The kouki is/was the pinnacle of the S14. Especially here in the states, since their were so few exported from japan. Zenki by todays standards looks bland, a Kouki with stock aero still looks fresh, and I believe they will continue to look fresh for decades to come. Thats why there is such a huge disparity in price between 95-96 and 97-98 240s.

[aznpoopy]

from an old post... sales totals.

95 - 25114
96 - 7334
97 - 3655
98 - 2178

theres like 32,000 zenkis out there. there are less than 6000 koukis. supply and demand. that is why koukis are expensive.

[OptionZero]

That limited supply only matters if there are significant differences between the two versions.

Were 97-98 identical to 95-96, there would still be a slight difference in price, but hardly what we see now.

Rarity is part of the additional demand; better looks is the other.

[Dunkee]

lets all pretend the USDM kouki bumper doesn't exist and compare it to the JDM bumper, which owns any zenki front end, stock or aftermarket
If you're not comparing USDM then compare the Euro Zenki headlights w/ the rare Navan sport package. I don't love the JDM Kouki bumper...feel like it needs a lip but then it needs bigger aftermarket sideskirts and rear bumper so not stock anymore. It's rare to see clean Zenkis, takes more work and money...but more refreshing than any Kouki. I know Zenki lovers on here are fighting a losing war cause majority of ppl would rather have Kouki but not being part of the band wagon is cool to me.
You don't see group buys on stock zenki headlights.
There is a groupbuy on here for Zenki headlights...didn't see any for Kouki.

[aznpoopy]

better looks is the other.

well that's your opinion. ;)

kouki definitely has more *cough* mass market *ahem* appeal though.

[VROOOM]

Nissan sold a bunch of Zenki's in the US, then they started making Koukis and next thing you know nobody bought the car anymore... which also made Nissan stop selling 240's in the US. Which denied us the S15. Seems like purists are more about the zenki...

about the time kouki's came out people started buying SUV's, notice how almost all japanese sports cars ceased production around 96-99. it isnt the fact that the kouki came out. its the fact the the general public wasnt buying sports cars anymore.

[flytwa78]

I love the Kouki front end. The Zenki would look nice when the lens' are not covered with that yellow crap.
Final Connection makes that headlight cover that's clear. They are really expensive but they look great.

[flytwa78]

In Japan, The kouki was more popular. According to my friend that works at a nissan factory, the kouki had a lighter front end.

[flytwa78]

Wow! this is back. This thread was only meant to get people's opinion on what they liked about the differences in the two, not to determine which one is better! Also I wouldn't say Kouki owns anything.... more like borrowed over half the body of the Zenki instead of getting it's own full redesign. For example... notice there is only one style of R32,R33 and R34? So if you want to get technical about it Zenki does own Kouki!! since it was the original S14.


The R32 and the R33 did have two different front ends. In the later years of both cars, they switched to projector lights. The diffence was not as drastic as the Kouki and Zenki S14 but there is a notable difference.

[flytwa78]

about the time kouki's came out people started buying SUV's, notice how almost all japanese sports cars ceased production around 96-99. it isnt the fact that the kouki came out. its the fact the the general public wasnt buying sports cars anymore.



Very True. At that time, everyone wanted an SUV (stupid useless vehicles) and that killed all two door cars from Nissan and it was also the end of the 3000GT, Supra, and other high power Japanese sport cars.

[240shorty]

stock = Zenki

modified = Kouki


Here, I'll fix it for you:

Stock = Kouki
Modified = Zenki

For me, that's how it is. Stock for stock, the Kouki has the edge. I've seen too many stock bumper Zenki's with their rounded front that don't look like they belong on a sporty car. Reminds me of a Pontiac Bonneville. For me, the key is to eliminate some of the rounded lower corners with the *right* kit (whatever that is). Several of my favorite 240's are modified Zenki's. You get tired of looking at the square, hacked up Kouki front (IMO), tire of it scowling at you for eternity. But the sweet curves of the Zenki will love you foreva.

Plus even if you prefer Kouki... with all that money you saved, you'll learn too like it. :rawk:

[vanish1]

Kouki looks better with aftermarket aero.

Zenki looks better with OEM aero.

Another interesting thing about the zenki is that when it came time for the S13 silvia to transition into the S14, you can see the evolution of the silvia in the zenki. the Kouki is more associated with the S15

[atom]

I think the worse thing about the zenki front end are the front parking lights. I dunno, it just makes the front look so cluttered. That's why the best aero kits for zenki are Ings, BN Sports Type 3, and K's FRP Factory, they all eliminate the front parking lights.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2882/600x4001149848848683211s14fzen.jpg

So smooth.

[Omarius Maximus]

I remember back in the day when I actually had a zenki, I'd scoff at everyone who had a kouki, and would say that my car looked better. Now that I have a kouki, its the exact opposite. I think whichever version you own, it makes you more critical of the OTHER version that is not your own. But after having both, and this is an impartial opinion because I'll be selling my kouki in a month or two, I would choose kouki every time if I had to do it again and again.

[samms95s14se]

I remember back in the day when I actually had a zenki, I'd scoff at everyone who had a kouki, and would say that my car looked better. Now that I have a kouki, its the exact opposite. I think whichever version you own, it makes you more critical of the OTHER version that is not your own.

That part is so true!! It's a mind thing that makes you apreciate what you got. I do have a slight compulsive disorder and even tho I do like the Kouki front it would always bug me that the front just doesn't seem to flow with the back, squareish front to roundish back. Now I've seen a picture of the Kouki front on an S13 coupe and it actually looked pretty good!! squareish front to squareish back equals balanced design. But to each is his own so it's all good!

[redsuns3838]

i have a beat up zenki front. bumper is torn to shreds, fenders have a lotta bumps and dont fit well, and headlights are yellow, corner lights bracket breaking.

that kit that atom posted above makes me want to just stay zenki...but for the most part i like the kouki front more. but there are some occasions where i wonder if i really want to change?

[big_schaf]

id go with the zenki, its just so dam agressive looking

[Dunkee]

So smooth.
I'm not that into drift cars but this is what I'm talking bout...refreshing :love:

[statik]

id go with the zenki, its just so dam agressive looking

uhh, I believe you mean kouki... both cars look good, but i wouldnt take a zenki without getting some secksi german style headlights

[chmercer]

i had zenki, now i have kouki, i have been on both sides of the fence, kouki is best

[redsuns3838]

i was looking at the kit atom posted and realized that the reason its so agressive isnt really the aero, but the fenders are what really give it the agressive look. i was checking out zenki kits and saw a similar kit to this without the widebody fenders/panels, and it looked decent but not great.

[haulksmash]

what are the differences with interior?

seems like the door panel fabric is different? is this true?

is the zenki fabric inferior quality?

[Agamemnon]

what are the differences with interior?

seems like the door panel fabric is different? is this true?

is the zenki fabric inferior quality?
This thread is over 12 years old. The information is everywhere.

[haulksmash]

This thread is over 12 years old. The information is everywhere.

i had a hard time finding it.

[Kingtal0n]

lol This Thread Delivers

Unfortunately, on this forum, nobody will help you until you've owned at least one of each model of 240sx first.

Which you clearly have not :D

[OriginalNuttah]

Stuck on this shitty poll because not allowed to post new thread.

Zenki get's my vote obviously because I own one and biased like that :gives:

https://i.imgur.com/sU2CNWo.jpg

[fitbmx180]

Kouki ftw!