Is this guy BSing me?

[Tuck&Poke]

ok my boy just got his Talon TSI AWD back from the shop (remember that air fuel ratio... well he didnt) and its running prefect.  but of course some guy has to talk shit and he says that he has a z-06 engine in his ws6 firebird auto...can that be done? BTW he looks like he has a stock 4 tip exhaust

[sykikchimp]

ok..  if he's local have him pop the hood.  check it out.

Remember, ANYTHING is possible w/ money.  That would be outrageously expensive though.

shit, why would you wanna throw a Z06 in there anyway?  for the money he would have spent to do that he could have a MONSTER on the stock engine.

[Tuck&Poke]

hes a fuckin h.s. kid and yes hes local but he wont pop his hood for me... no one does thats taboo &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[twofortysx]

If he's a H.S kid AND he won't pop the hood, he's lying. &nbsp;If he wants to talk the talk, he'd better show when called on.

[LanceS13]

It can be done...they're the same basic size and design with differences in how "tuned" they are. They're both 5.7L. But if he won't pop the hood and if he doesn't have rich parents, expect b.s. And like sykikchimp said, why one would do this is beyond me...the WS6 is a pretty bad car.

[HippoSleek]

I got money on BS. &nbsp;I don't recall where, but I want to say that the price of the engine alone is probably about the price of a FireChicken.

Did the Z06 come as an auto?

[LanceS13]

6spd only

[bing]

pretend he's cool, then when he has his back turned, 'PANTS' him, it sounds like he's asking for it, so give hte kid what he wants

[samiam]

Okay! Well you could take this to any domestic enthusiast and have a field day. 1st off the z06 has a ls6 and the ws6 has a ls1 which is a mild upgrade from the lt1...You ask what be the differences? They are both 5.7l's as stated earlier in this thread. You swap out cams, crank, blah blah blah......You get the idea and eventually you have the same engine as a z06. Tell him that would be stupid to swap a whole damn engine, when he could &nbsp;crank out the same horses w/o paying so damn much....a boosted ws6 w/ upgraded pistons, torque converter, rods, etc..ect...Would [email protected]#k a z06 up.....Holla Back Youngn'.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[bing]

i think it's a little stupid to even be giving actual thought to this, he is lying, make fun of him in front of other people.

tell his girlfriend what he said, and she wont like him anymore because even she will know that there is no point in lying &nbsp;about havign a corvette engine some other POS

[Fresh 240SX]

Well i dunno if its anything to you but my buddys cousion was gonna buy a '98 Trans Am with a LS1 vette engine in it.... he says it went like a son of a bitch... the guy who he was gonna buy it from said it ran low 12's...... apparently....

i saw the car once... it was okay.... anyways long story short he dident waste all his money on it because its not very pratical for a college student to be driving.... too much $$$$

[96SEChick]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Fresh 240SX @ Mar. 27 2002,7:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well i dunno if its anything to you but my buddys cousion was gonna buy a '98 Trans Am with a LS1 vette engine in it.... he says it went like a son of a bitch... the guy who he was gonna buy it from said it ran low 12's...... apparently....

i saw the car once... it was okay.... anyways long story short he dident waste all his money on it because its not very pratical for a college student to be driving.... too much $$$$</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What's kinda funny--my bf w/ a '00 WS6 6-speed raced his brother w/ a '00 Vette auto, and my bf won by a LONG shot. &nbsp;The C5 Vette LS1 and the WS6 LS1 are the same engine, different tuning.

BTW--the '98 & newer WS6 does not have 4 tips on the stock exhaust. &nbsp;It has 2 round tips (1 on each side) about 2" in diameter.

This kid is full of BS. &nbsp;The stock LS1 WS6 engine itself costs over $10000-$15000. &nbsp;Just imagine what the Z06 engine would cost.

[200sx]

Ok.. I smell.... BS!!! &nbsp;If the kid wont pop the hood, hes full of it. &nbsp;Tell him to f^&k off. &nbsp;Hes a poser.

[s15dude]

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[Pistonhead]

The only external identification difference between an LS1 (normal Z28, WS6, C5) and the LS6 (ZO6 only) is red valve cover covers (that do not fit under a F-body hood), a slightly larger plenum (still black plastic), and the 85mm mass airflow sensor. &nbsp;The differences are the cylinder head castings, valvetrain, intake and exhaust systems. &nbsp;Very expensive parts, and uncommon.

[onebadm5]

here are the improvements on the LS1 made in the LS6:

Maximum Engine Speed Increases 400 rpm
Block Casting Improves Bay-to-Bay Breathing
Crankshaft with Lower-Mass balancer
Reduced Tolerance Main Bearings
Piston Material and Profile
Cylinder Head Casting with 10.5:1 compression
High Lift/Duration Camshaft
Upgraded Valve Springs
High-Flow Intake Manifold
Increased Volume Fuel Injectors
Increased Flow Air Cleaner with Larger Mass Air Flow sensor (MAF)
Cast Exhaust Manifolds with New Gasket
Valley Cover with Integral Composite Oil Separator and PCV valve
Oil Level Tube and Indicator
Extended Maximum Oil Change Interval
Two-point Water Pump Vapor Vent
Sleeveless Coolant Sensor
Powertrain Control Module Calibrations
Beauty Cover

ENGINE SPEED INCREASE
Improvements in the LS6 increase maximum engine speed from 6200 to 6600 rpm. Horsepower increases more than 10 percent compared to the LS1 V8. Most LS6 changes are geared toward improving airflow in and out of the engine for an increase in maximum volumetric efficiency.

IMPROVED BAY-T0-BAY BREATHING
The aluminum block casting deletes machined holes in the LS1 block bulkhead and adds honed "overtravel'' windows, which allow better bay-to-bay breathing. On the downstroke, pistons push air back toward the crankcase, creating back-pressure, or resistance, that slows downward movement and robs power. The LS6 block reduces this internal ``windage'' by managing airflow more efficiently. The overtravel windows allow air to move more freely between cylinder bays, reducing back-pressure and freeing the pistons' downward movement.

CRANKSHAFT AND BALANCER
The crankshaft incorporates a new reluctor ring that allows a larger air gap to the timing sensor. This advanced system is less sensitive to engine wear or operating conditions, and assures optimal ignition timing in virtually all circumstances. The new crank also features an aluminum alloy torsional dampener, which balances shaft twist and flex and reduces vibration. The light-alloy dampener decreases rotating mass and reduces engine spin-up inertia.

The LS6 includes a high-efficiency gerotor oil pump, which is driven off the front of the crankshaft. Benefits of the gerotor design include improved low temperature delivery and better performance, due to lower parasitic power loss.

BEARING TOLERANCES
Tighter tolerances in the crankshaft main bearings mean a more precise fit. The result is an increase in long-term durability and, just as importantly, a reduction in what engineers call 'cold knock' --not detonation, but a slight slapping noise from the engine before it reaches full operating temperature.

PISTON MATERIAL AND PROFILE
LS6 pistons are cast from high-strength M142 aluminum alloy and reshaped with a slightly different profile than those in the LS1. In side view, the pistons have a slight barrel shape almost imperceptible to the naked eye. The new alloy increases engine durability, particularly under severe, race track-style operating conditions, while the shape reduces internal mechanical noise.

INCREASED COMPRESSION
The aluminum cylinder head is cast with smaller pent-roof combustion chambers than the LS1 head. Compression ratio increases from 10.1:1 to 10.5:1, improving thermal efficiency and increasing horsepower. Intake and exhaust ports in the LS6 head are refined and more precisely cast, contributing significantly to the overall increase in volumetric efficiency.

HIGH-PROFILE CAM
The LS6-specific, steel-billet camshaft contributes more than any single piece of hardware to the horsepower gain. In the simplest terms, the cam opens valves faster and higher, allowing more air to flow more quickly in and out of the combustion chambers. Cam lift increases from 12.7 to 13.3 millimeters compared to the LS1.

BETTER VALVE SPRINGS
To accommodate valve operation with the high lift/high duration cam, valve springs are stiffer and sturdier. They're made from the same steel wire as those in the LS1, but they are wound more tightly for a higher spring rate.

HIGH-FLOW INTAKE MANIFOLD
The carbon composite intake manifold had been retooled to increase airflow to the intake ports. Plenum volume has increased, and intake runners have been remolded to eliminate dead spots and increase the volume of air flowing to the cylinder heads.

HIGHER-FLOW INJECTORS
Additional air flowing through the LS6 heads is useful only if there's sufficient gasoline to take full advantage. Thus, new fuel injectors increase maximum fuel delivery to 3.55 grams/second.

LARGER MAF SENSOR
No component in the LS6 induction system escaped scrutiny. Ducting from the air cleaner was modified to reduced restrictions. Delphi's high-volume version 1.2 Mass AirFlow (MAF) sensor, with integral inlet air temperature sensor, was borrowed from the Vortec V8 truck engines. This MAF increases intake volume and allows the Powertrain Control Module to adjust for optimal performance at a given air temperature.

CAST IRON EXHAUST MANIFOLDS
Cast iron exhaust manifolds increase exhaust flow slightly and reduce cost considerably. They are also more durable than the dual-wall stainless manifolds on the 2000 LS1. Other things equal, cast manifolds take longer to reach full operating temperature than stainless, but the LS6 easily meets Low Emissions Vehicle standards thanks to a pair of pup converters fitted on the Corvette for model year 2000. Mounted upstream from the primary catalytic converters, the pups reach emissions ``light off'' temperature long before the primary converters.

Cast iron manifolds are also fitted on 2001 LS1s. A new manifold gasket allows the manifolds to be used interchangeably between the LS1 and LS6.

INTEGRAL PCV SYSTEM
The LS6 V8's application in the Z06 Corvette creates additional demands on the crankcase ventilation system (PCV). The Z06 is capable of cornering at more than 1 lateral g, or force greater than the pull of gravity. In such circumstances, the rocker covers on one side of the engine fill with oil; the LS1's rocker-cover PCV system can load with oil, and oil is vented out.

To prepare the ZO6 for full-on competition driving, the LS6 PCV system is moved into the engine's V, or valley. The unique aluminum Valley Cover has composite oil separating baffles and PCV plumbing incorporated. The Valley Cover dramatically reduces oil consumption during high-performance driving. As an added benefit, it increases assembly efficiency and reduces the amount of external engine plumbing, eliminating potential leak sources.

NEW OIL LEVEL INDICATOR
Due to the slightly different shape of the exhaust manifolds, the LS6 needs a longer oil-level (or dipstick) tube to the crankcase. The tube is bent further away from the engine block. With the new tube comes a new dipstick, or oil-level indicator.

EXTENDED OIL-CHANGE INTERVAL
New computer algorithms extend the LS6 oil-change interval. The Powertrain Control Module records engine temperature and length of operation at a given temperature; with new data on real-world customer use, engineers have adjusted the software to allow longer intervals before an oil change is indicated. The LS6 has a maximum permissible interval of 15,000 miles with recommended Mobil One synthetic lubricant, compared to 10,000 in 2000.

FEWER VENTS
The number of water pump vapor vents has been reduced from four to two, thereby reducing cost. Experience with the LS1 has shown that two vents are sufficient.

PCM SOFTWARE
The Powertrain Control Module has been recalibrated to maximize performance and efficiency, and to optimize throttle response, while accounting for the new cam profile, increased air flow and higher-volume fuel injectors.

REVISED BEAUTY COVER
The beauty cover over the fuel injection rail is solid red with black letters for visual distinction and immediate differentiation from the LS1, which has a black cover with red letters.



CONTINUING FEATURES

The LS6 is essentially a new engine, but it builds on the LS1 Gen III small block. The LS1 achieved Low Emissions Vehicle (LEV) status in all applications sold in California for model year 2000, thanks to Air Injection Reaction and Pup catalysts fitted to the 2000 Corvette.


if he can do all that, then he's probably god.

[KiDyNomiTe]

man that is a lot and too much to read.

[boywonder]

fa reals

that's A LOT of shit, unless he's Bill Gates son, i doubt he could afford all that shit. Just kick him in his grill and forget about it.

[Cormegas13]

"kick him in the grill" 3rd bass? If so, he gets the gas face.
Oh, I second that motion to pants him. Why would someone waste the money to put that engine in, when they could put a blower on instead for a lot cheaper. If he wants to sell the LS1, I could find a good home for it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[thewholefnshow]

1.) I thought that corvette made a 7 speed auto for thier engines over the last few years, maybe not the z06.. but still

2.) the engine might not be that much, I alwasy come back to the fact that a brand new viper crate motor (which would beat both those cars by 2 car lengths is only (I use the term loosely 11,995) so I mean they are not horrible and I would imagine that chevy has a similar type of service.

3.) My bet is he is bs'ing... if Iwere gonna get a new engine I would swap to a manual too, on the other hand, maybe he just bought all the internals and used his stock engine, he could do that too.

[burgy240]

http://forums.off-topic.net/images/smilies/bsflag.gif &nbsp;and if not he just an idiot for spending all the cash.