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Antihero983
03-10-2005, 10:01 AM
well i finally toasted my KA. i was trying to get up my slippery/steep assed driveway and overrevved it too many times and spun a bearing. :bash:
i know theres a GB on SR20's going on here, but can anyone recomend any other site's to get those and CA's? im leaning more towards a CA right now, but we'll see.
any other suggestions?
Why would you want a CA motor? You save a couple of bucks for an engine that is older and doesn't have as much potential. Just save $$ and get it done right.
MakotoS13
03-10-2005, 10:08 AM
Why would you want a CA motor? You save a couple of bucks for an engine that is older and doesn't have as much potential. Just save $$ and get it done right.
wtf? word around the water cooler is that the CA is balls out hands down better than the POSR.
matlock
03-10-2005, 10:08 AM
I think both Engines have good points, I would only recommend SR because there is more aftermarket support right now. Or at least it seems like that to me.
there are engineering advantages to the CA18DET, not to mention some people just like to be different.
but that's too huge of an argument to get into...
Antihero983
03-10-2005, 10:11 AM
my buddy hank has a CA and has nothing but good things to say about it, and yes the SR has better aftermarket support, but i dunno if i want one, seeing as for less, i can get the CA and with a few things be right up there,if not surpass the SR. also, the CA sits further back in the bay than the SR which makes for better weight dist...
"and some people just like to be different"
exactly.
DamnedButDetermined
03-10-2005, 10:15 AM
Why would you want a CA motor? You save a couple of bucks for an engine that is older and doesn't have as much potential. Just save $$ and get it done right.
Please do your research before you state something like that.
The aftrermarket availability is growing steadily by the way!
I have never bought from this place, but it look like they have some killer prices (ya ya ya you get what you pay for)
RB20DET: $1300
RB25DET: $1800
SR20DET S13 (Red Top): $1900
SR20DET S13 (Black Top): $2100
SR20DET S14: $2400
SR20DET GTiR: $1900
**CA18DET (Intercooler not included): $900
Motor swaps include the following parts:
- Block and Head
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Sensors
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Cam-Angle Sensor
- Throttle Body
- Turbo
- Alternator
- Starter
- Ignitor Chip
- A/C Compressor
- Power Steering Pump
- Air Flow Sensor
- ECU (Computer)
- 5-Speed RWD Hydraulic Transmission
- Stock Intercooler
- Engine Wiring Harness (Uncut)
Japan Motor Import Inc.
1.866.369.3330
www.JapanMotorImport.com
I found them at http://www.club240.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=19
matlock
03-10-2005, 10:17 AM
Werd I would take either engine over a KA, I personally would do a CA myself but that is to be differen't and not to have the same old SR everone seems to be doing, but as I said aftermarket is better for the SR from what i've seen. Good luck and either way the car will be sick im sure.
just to add some more helpful input
if you get a CA18, you will mroe then likely need to give it a nice freshening up of gaskets and seals, and while you're at it i'd suggest timing components and freshening up the coolant and oil systems. (pumps and what have you)
timmybgood
03-10-2005, 10:47 AM
personally, i wouldn't get any motor "just to be different." i got my sr over an rb or ca because of availability of engine, oem parts, aftermarket parts, and general price.
its all personal choice, what you like and what you feel you need
sLiDewAys
03-10-2005, 10:50 AM
Why would you want a CA motor? You save a couple of bucks for an engine that is older and doesn't have as much potential. Just save $$ and get it done right.
how come wherever i go, there is always someone dogging on the CA18. doubting its potential... Might i add that these are the verry people who either own BONE stock sr's who think they are touge queens or are still runnin on their stock ass ka24.......... words of wizdom" ANY motor has potential" especially one of 1.8T.. slap on sr hot pipe, cold pipe, turbo, and intercooler and see how much HP you pump out for 1,000 CHEAPEr than sr.......might i add that with th at set up you MAY be 10hp shy if that shy of stock SR hp numbers w/o as much torque.... anyhow im sorry to aid to the problem but someone has to educate these ignorant enthusiasts about motors....
lol as if the sr was THE only motor that came in the 180sx and silvia, dont forget what came before! dont knock the engine becasue you know NOTHING about it.........Sr is a good motor, wayy too overprices and ive seen them get beaten, THEY DONT HOLD.. unless you are a thousand dollar sponsor building d1 cars....... ive seen close to stock ca's get beaten adn they hold... hahhahha dam good for their age too might i addd...
so to this guy who posted this thread, do some reasearch before you get too invoulved with the motor, and make shure you download the FSM here on zilvia.... good luck with your decision.
brandon
ps. i have a tech topic on ca under TECH if you un educated FOLK want to come in and chat about the motor, but please no debates on which is better, they are CLEARLY both well capable engines
how come wherever i go, there is always someone dogging on the CA18. doubting its potential... Might i add that these are the verry people who either own BONE stock sr's who think they are touge queens or are still runnin on their stock ass ka24.......... words of wizdom" ANY motor has potential" especially one of 1.8T.. slap on sr hot pipe, cold pipe, turbo, and intercooler and see how much HP you pump out for 1,000 CHEAPEr than sr.......might i add that with th at set up you MAY be 10hp shy if that shy of stock SR hp numbers w/o as much torque.... anyhow im sorry to aid to the problem but someone has to educate these ignorant enthusiasts about motors....
My whole point is that you save a couple hundred for a CA motor that is anywhere from 2-10 years older than an SR motor. IF you were looking for something with less wear, lots of aftermarket support statewide and lots of knowledgable people to help you out, then yes, it is the best choice. Personally, I like to stay with the tried and true rather than be "different".
CAs are fast, I never doubted that. You sound like I don't know anything about the CA. I've been messing around with cars and racing the past 9 years and have seen my share of CA powered cars. I think it's great people are swapping in these motors but the support is just not here esp. if you rely on your car as a daily driver.
Geez get a grip! It's just a comment. :bigok:
kazuo
03-10-2005, 11:29 AM
slap on sr hot pipe, cold pipe, turbo, and intercooler and see how much HP you pump out for 1,000 CHEAPEr than sr.......might i add that with th at set up you MAY be 10hp shy if that shy of stock SR hp numbers w/o as much torque.... anyhow im sorry to aid to the problem but someone has to educate these ignorant enthusiasts about motors....
So, you save around $1k, but spend another bill or two just to get within 10hp of a SR20DET?
And less torque?
Anyway, I guess I can understand why you'd want a CA18 overa SR20 if you want big numbers... the the reality is, VERY FEW people are gonna be running anything over 3 on their cars anyway... so whats the point? Being different? Saving money?
Getting X engine over X engine (regardless of what it is) to "save money" or to "be different" is the WRONG reason to be getting X engine.
lol as if the sr was THE only motor that came in the 180sx and silvia, dont forget what came before! dont knock the engine becasue you know NOTHING about it.........Sr is a good motor, wayy too overprices and ive seen them get beaten, THEY DONT HOLD.. unless you are a thousand dollar sponsor building d1 cars....... ive seen close to stock ca's get beaten adn they hold... hahhahha dam good for their age too might i addd...
I'm sure if the people who SMASH on their cars had a CA18, they'd blow up too.
Everything blows up if you beat on it enough.. except for RB's and 2JZ's, cus, as we all know, those are motors who truly deserve their nut-swinging status. :P
please no debates on which is better, they are CLEARLY both well capable engines
I agree, people should stop hijacking this thread with bullshit CA vs SR argument.
That applies to everyone, not just you, Brandon. ;) haha
F3600
03-10-2005, 11:31 AM
I love my CA. Its a nice engine and i got it in awesome condition .. its running like a champ !
Your argument about OEM part is futile. Every part i need for my engine i can get it a my Nissan dealers.
Its a good Engine like every engine Nissan ever made.
good luck in you choice !
BoroBoroS13
03-10-2005, 11:52 AM
I own a CA18 so of course im gonna support it over a SR20 but I belive both are great motors and it comes down to what you want to do and what you like more.
Finding OEM parts is very easy for the CA18 and almost nothing needs to be special ordered from Japan because the CA18DE found in the Pulsar shares almost everything with the CA18DET found in the Silvia/180SX. I have rebuilt my motor with a new timing belt, water pump, gaskets, etc and all the parts are shared with the Pulsar. I love how I can just walk into a Nissan dealership and have them order damn near anything for me and not have to pay some crazy ass prices and not have to wait forever for it to come on a boat from Japan.
Aftermarket parts are harder to find than SR20 but with a little effort and time its all good. A lot of goodies for the SR20 will also fit on a CA18 with little to no modification. I have upgraded my turbo, cams, intercooler, and done all the basic bolt ons and non of it was really hard to find.
matlock
03-10-2005, 01:10 PM
I like how you put that BOROBOROS13, that is kinda what I was trying to say I Just didn't know how to say it. Basically both SR and CA are great engines, its just a matter of the application, and some other factors. And I also agree with the comment that was saying that no engine is really "invinceable" to a beating. I think either engine would make you a happy guy, I know i would love either in a 240, I just need to buy another 240 :( haha
Everything blows up if you beat on it enough.. except for RB's and 2JZ's, cus, as we all know, those are motors who truly deserve their nut-swinging status. :P
Heh, I've known a few friends who have blown their 2JZs quite a few times. I think they've gotten so used to rebuilding Supra turbo motors they can do it in their sleep. But most of the time they blow them on the dyno when trying to juice higher HP numbers.
SR240DET
03-10-2005, 03:57 PM
just rebuild your KA... its not that hard....... geez... :duh: (no sarcasm.. im forreal ) no hate on the sr's or ca's... but this is just how i see it.... and i dont care if some of you disagree...
get a t3 turbo with some good fuel managment on stock block and *BAMM* your quicker than the sr's and ca's....
throw some forged pistons in there with a couple other minor but important stuff and now you can boost higher then the sr..... search on ka-t.org.... then you will see what im talking about..
what will happen when you get a sr or a ca and spin the bearing on your slippery/steep assdrive way again? its gonna cost a lil more.... that ka will be cheap to rebuild if you just do the work your self....
blu808
03-10-2005, 04:54 PM
Do whatever you want. Its your car.
Dont be influenced by peoples opinions that come from bad expierience.
Not dogging anyone here. Just everyone has their own opinion.
My opinion of the sr and ca is that they both suck. But they only suck for me because i keep blowing them up. I like those motors just fine. But not for me.
Thats why im doing an ls1 right now.
dct223
03-10-2005, 05:39 PM
both engines are good in my mind... I would go for a SR more since they are newer and more aftermarket support. CA's have less torque yea, stock turbo is supposely a t22, and its old, but if you do some simple maintainence, and changing some old parts, thicker oil its a great motor, and will def be A LOT better than a KA...
SR240DET
03-10-2005, 08:13 PM
Do whatever you want. Its your car.
Dont be influenced by peoples opinions that come from bad expierience.
Not dogging anyone here. Just everyone has their own opinion.
My opinion of the sr and ca is that they both suck. But they only suck for me because i keep blowing them up. I like those motors just fine. But not for me.
Thats why im doing an ls1 right now.
the ls1 will be pretty sick... since you do alot of drifting... post how the handling may change after this swap i may do a similar swap if you car isnt too outta balance
kazuo
03-10-2005, 11:00 PM
I love how I can just walk into a Nissan dealership and have them order damn near anything for me and not have to pay some crazy ass prices and not have to wait forever for it to come on a boat from Japan.
Superior Nissan (and several other dealers in SoCal) stock SR20DET replacement parts. And they ship.
So no waiting on a boat. Got a water pump for my buddy for $60 out the door.
Luke... you've been talking to Var and Makaki too much. You going carburated (sic) too?
Advan
03-11-2005, 12:03 AM
Question, question, now I heard(long time ago) that the KA is pretty much a pig or truck motor, don't know why, but I've been thinking/assuming that this motor has a lot of potential to where it could atleast, match up/put up a fight and even beating both the Ca and SR. Is this true, or should I just stop dreaming and go into the tech thread and read more about all 3 engines. I mean, since I'm in the process of getting a KA, now that I have atleast $2200-$2300 saved up, I may put some money into the engine just to make it better. I mean, alot people are doing these SR swaps, and it's pretty much the route I don't want to take.
Sorry for the little off topic comment.
F3600
03-11-2005, 07:03 AM
Sure the KA is a good engine.. but if you want it to perform great you need to upgrade it a litlle. A basic turbo upgrade and youre good to go. If you think about more boost, some internal should be used (350 hp and up). You can keep the stock internals but you need some great tuning abilitie cuz it will be easy to blow up the thing with a bad a/f and timing.
Antihero983
03-11-2005, 07:39 AM
well turns out, im just gonna hafta make due with the KA for now, besides, its probably just a spun bearing, so its no prob to take care of for now, and i think by the end of spring ill get the motor, that way it doesnt sit around my house while i wait for the snow to melt.
.......and the fact that my parents hate that i have a japanese car :bash: , so i try not to keep to many jap parts around at once lol, and there's no room to put the motor.
slip_coupe
03-11-2005, 03:45 PM
how come wherever i go, there is always someone dogging on the CA18. doubting its potential... Might i add that these are the verry people who either own BONE stock sr's who think they are touge queens or are still runnin on their stock ass ka24.......... words of wizdom" ANY motor has potential" especially one of 1.8T.. slap on sr hot pipe, cold pipe, turbo, and intercooler and see how much HP you pump out for 1,000 CHEAPEr than sr.......might i add that with th at set up you MAY be 10hp shy if that shy of stock SR hp numbers w/o as much torque.... anyhow im sorry to aid to the problem but someone has to educate these ignorant enthusiasts about motors....
lol as if the sr was THE only motor that came in the 180sx and silvia, dont forget what came before! dont knock the engine becasue you know NOTHING about it.........Sr is a good motor, wayy too overprices and ive seen them get beaten, THEY DONT HOLD.. unless you are a thousand dollar sponsor building d1 cars....... ive seen close to stock ca's get beaten adn they hold... hahhahha dam good for their age too might i addd...
so to this guy who posted this thread, do some reasearch before you get too invoulved with the motor, and make shure you download the FSM here on zilvia.... good luck with your decision.
brandon
ps. i have a tech topic on ca under TECH if you un educated FOLK want to come in and chat about the motor, but please no debates on which is better, they are CLEARLY both well capable engines
i think that it is cool to see a 240 with something other than a sr...sr20det's are played out, still a bad ass motor though
Advan
03-12-2005, 12:48 AM
Sure the KA is a good engine.. but if you want it to perform great you need to upgrade it a litlle. A basic turbo upgrade and youre good to go. If you think about more boost, some internal should be used (350 hp and up). You can keep the stock internals but you need some great tuning abilitie cuz it will be easy to blow up the thing with a bad a/f and timing.
which prompts my next question. Would it be a good idea to get new pistons, or can I still run with stock pistons? After reading the Stage 1 Turbo with a smaller T3(assuming you get little to no turbo lag) I either missed part of his article saying that it would be a really good idea to get new pistons or stock pistons are ok. Though, I'm assuming that doing the smart thing would be getting new pistons.
SR240DET
03-12-2005, 10:08 AM
which prompts my next question. Would it be a good idea to get new pistons, or can I still run with stock pistons? After reading the Stage 1 Turbo with a smaller T3(assuming you get little to no turbo lag) I either missed part of his article saying that it would be a really good idea to get new pistons or stock pistons are ok. Though, I'm assuming that doing the smart thing would be getting new pistons.
from what everybody who has boosted there stock block KA.. anything after 250ish hp would need forged pistons to boost safely.... most important you get good fuel management.. so... go to your local dyno place and ask them what they are certified to tune with and work on that...( most likly they will be able to tune with whats available for the KA)
stock KA with good compression should boost to the 250-275 range safe.... some went as far as 300+ search on zilvia.net and ka-t.org.... good luck..
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