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StreetDreamin
03-07-2005, 07:26 PM
I have a friend of a friend that was a hookup for a coilover deal. It was supposed to be Apex N1s for $1310 installed!!! Although, im broke, it was too good of a deal to refuse. I got them installed and they feel good, but I thought they looked funny, bc the whole damper was red, not red and silver(or goldish?). I thought it was just a n00b error on my part or the newer models were all red. I kno they were genuine apex and werent WSs. The manual calls these n1 Damper ExV and i confused them with perhaps the n1 type V damper. But I was at D1 and saw a shop wit the same coilovers that I got. They said its the new Apex coilovers and they aren't n1s. I've tried to search for this, but I couldnt find any info. Anyone know much about the apex coilover line up? Thanks in advance.
i saw all red apex'i coilovers on ebay very recently...
but i'm pretty sure they're legit...that sounds like a fairly decent deal but i wouldnt buy coilovers taht i wasnt exactly sure about.
these are legit coilovers from apexi and were just recently released last year... the model you got EXV are the entry level models with 8k/6k spring rates, 30 way adjustable damping and pillow camber plates up front and pillow ball mounts on the rears. let us know how they ride, i have a set of those on hold for me
Ritz S14
03-07-2005, 08:32 PM
http://www.deus-x.com/files/1KsxpRESFID43RESapexi.jpg
Apexi N1 Hm.. spring rate 8/6 ..32 way adjustable $1399
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/smogtech/PICT1142copy.jpg
Megan racing.. spring rage 8/6 32way adjustable $950
Difference, color and labeling.. price $400
pruto
03-07-2005, 08:34 PM
haha, the best way to check if its legit is to call up apexi with the part numbers =)
thats what i did when i bought my N1 pros used and i wanted to figure out what spring rate it was, called them up with my part numbers and bam, it was quick and easy.
anyone know what size pistons these thew apexi coils are on? hehe, my ego must know
pruto
03-07-2005, 08:38 PM
Difference, color and labeling.. price $400
mmm.... NO
are you trying to say that all coilovers are the same? are you serious?
Price DOES matter. Its like saying why buy Kei's Office if you can buy Tein HEs for a grand less.
Apexi N1 Pros retail 2500, there is a REASON for that. a lot better valving than entry level coilovers, better design, local service (300 bucks to rebuild all 4 corners, try that with megan).
oh my god. geez, can't believe some of these people
no these are legitimately known to be from the same manufacturer and of the same design
EDIT:
that sounds ignorant...i want to add "from what i understand"
mmm.... NO
are you trying to say that all coilovers are the same? are you serious?
Price DOES matter. Its like saying why buy Kei's Office if you can buy Tein HEs for a grand less.
Apexi N1 Pros retail 2500, there is a REASON for that. a lot better valving than entry level coilovers, better design, local service (300 bucks to rebuild all 4 corners, try that with megan).
oh my god. geez, can't believe some of these people
That ain't what he's saying. Look at the pics of the ExV's and look at the megans closely. I know that when I saw the ExV's for the first time a while back I thought they looked a lot like the megans/bor-chuans/whatever you wanna call em.
EDIT: To add to the original post, sorry to say but you didn't get a deal. Street price on ExV's go for about 1000-1100. There's a group buy on nopistons for the FD versions and they were under a G for the coilovers.......
Ritz S14
03-07-2005, 08:56 PM
That ain't what he's saying. Look at the pics of the ExV's and look at the megans closely. I know that when I saw the ExV's for the first time a while back I thought they looked a lot like the megans/bor-chuans/whatever you wanna call em.
Yeah, I am NOT saying that all Coilovers are created equally. Definately NOT.
I'm just comparing MR and Apexi C/Os. I've never seen the Apexi c/os in person, but just looking at pictures, even the dampening knob looks identical. Just puting 2 and 2 together.
pruto
03-07-2005, 09:08 PM
Ok well, here is a bit of info for you: GABs (the shocks you have in the picture) are made by KYB, look exactly the same as the AGX, but GABs are about twice as much price wize. Why? one cause they're not available in the states normally but also because they are valved differently. Just like I believe Nismo coils and shocks are made by cusco. They are sourced to these bigger companies to make, but at their specs, they may look the same, have the same placement or whatnot, but be completely different.
do not judge something by the looks.
1) you don't know if they are valved the same
2) you don't know if they have the same size pistons, Apexi coilovers traditionally have the largest pistons on the coilover market, N1 pros are 52mms and N1 type Vs are 48, most other brands don't even come close. HEs are 38 and JICs and Hyper Max IIs are 46.
but hey, maybe they are the same, but i'm just saying you definately can't tell by just looking at them ,or as you say, putting "2 and 2 together". unless someone can give me the compression charts that shows those two being equal, i would highly doubt it.
Ritz S14
03-07-2005, 09:18 PM
Yeah, you're absolutely right. If anyone has any casting marks on their type V's let me know, and I'll compare them to mine.. I know that doens't say anything about the valving, but at least we'll know they came from the same factory.
As for the GAB's You're right, they are KYBs. I bought them not knowing that. But I did know the Gab set along with Eibach prokit springs only ran me $375 shipped.
anyone know what size pistons these thew apexi coils are on? hehe, my ego must know
edit- its 44 just checked another thread
SilviaDriver
03-07-2005, 09:20 PM
for reference,
it was said megan racing coils are made by BorChuann. BorChuann coilovers use 44mm pistons.
http://www.bcec.com.tw/function/function_05.html
apexi n1 exv coils are also 44mm
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hopup1/apcon1exvni2.html
Ritz S14
03-07-2005, 09:20 PM
for reference,
it was said megan racing coils are made by BorChuann. BorChuann coilovers use 44mm pistons.
apexi n1 exv coils are also 44mm
Holy shit. :)
umsports
03-07-2005, 09:29 PM
http://www.deus-x.com/files/1KsxpRESFID43RESapexi.jpg
Apexi N1 Hm.. spring rate 8/6 ..32 way adjustable $1399
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/smogtech/PICT1142copy.jpg
Megan racing.. spring rage 8/6 32way adjustable $950
Difference, color and labeling.. price $400
SHHHH.....you weren't supposed to figure out my little secret....
interesting, that adjustment knob on the megan looks VERY similar to the one on the exv....
sweet...i'm getting some MR coils tomorrow
pruto
03-07-2005, 09:37 PM
did a bit of searching
they do indeed have the same piston size. 44. which means the megans are awesome for the price.
the ExV is also advertised as having a 62mm direct wound spring. On the megan spring it says 62.180.008. so 62mm is an important number.
the only other two numbers i've found is 180, which Asad said is probably the free standing height of the springs on the Megan and 22mm, which is the diameter of the strut type rod on the Apexi unit.
this is kinda fishy. BC is a taiwanese company, i hope to god Apexi hasn't started sourcing their production to taiwan.
oh, and i think you did get ripped off, group buy prices for the ExV is about 1100, which puts it not too far from the MR price range.
sw20>>s14
03-07-2005, 10:59 PM
MRs just keep on getting better and better...
pruto
03-08-2005, 12:03 AM
sorry, i didn't read that correctly, he said 1310 installed, which means, including a fee for the install.
most shops charge anywhere from 150-300 bucks for installing shock/springs/coils. which is a rip, you can do it in 3 hours. Shit, i did my coilover install on the side of a street in like 2 hours (rush for time).
Ritz S14
03-08-2005, 12:18 AM
I had a lift..and all the tools. TOok me an hour.
OptionZero
03-08-2005, 12:23 AM
yeah, but what about the al ignment? Unless u want to use a protractor and what...chalk?...u need a shop with a laser.
I'm assuming that was included in the cost of "install", but possibly not.
pruto
03-08-2005, 12:38 AM
most installs don't include alignment. that is extra. i doubt if many of the install shops have tools to do an alignment for a coilover car.
i swapped in my coilovers and drove back 150 miles the same day. Did a basic eyeball test to measure coilover height and it ran perfect. The camber was way off, but the toe wasn't that bad. I took it to an alignment shop a week or two later and they didn't do much adjusting.
anyway, i guess we can assume for all intents and purposes that MR, BC and these ExVs are all the same, which is shocking, but oh well. Apex'i products are usually top of the line good shit. At least it seems like BC makes quality taiwanese stuff. And well, They are meant as entry level coilovers, world sports replacements probably and world sports suck. Bleh, oh well.
i wonder if this means MR owners can take their coilovers in to be serviced by Apex'i, haha. Apex'i has one of the cheapest servcing plans locally, i know it costs less to rebuild my N1 pros than it does for Tein for HEs.
A Spec Products
03-16-2005, 05:59 PM
anyway, i guess we can assume for all intents and purposes that MR, BC and these ExVs are all the same, which is shocking, but oh well. Apex'i products are usually top of the line good shit. At least it seems like BC makes quality taiwanese stuff. And well, They are meant as entry level coilovers, world sports replacements probably and world sports suck. Bleh, oh well.
After speaking with Apex'i personally, they have assured me that the N1 EXV coilovers are ABSOLUTELY 100% NOT the same as the Megan units. The research and development for the EXV was done in Japan specifically for a US released coilover. Apex'i's Japanese design team created these units using their own valving specifications as well as materials. Thus, you can rest assured that you are indeed getting outstanding Apex'i quality and performance.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or Apex'i directly.
Thanks,
Logan
MikeFD3S
03-16-2005, 06:37 PM
don't be surprised, a lot of coilover manufacturers actually outsource all of their stuff to taiwan. The Apex and MR look exactly alike, and also look like a couple others that are on the market. Definitely MIT (Made in Taiwan) Look at a lot of the multi-link suspension, many of them are from the same factory too.
Coilover specs and internals might be slightly different for each manufacturer, but the quality will be the same since they came from the same factory. I personally don't trust and question a lot of the stuff that comes out of the chinese factorys. Those MR's/N1's probably won't last a year before blowing out on the street.
Gab Prosso and Tanabe Sustec Pro DD are custom spec systems made by KYB Japan, but they are similar, but both actually very good systems (KYB has been making suspensions in Japan since the 1920's)
TEIN uses Tokico shafts. Tokico is another very old suspension manufacturer. Theres a rumour that TEIN is made in the same factory as Hayame coilovers, but no one has ever been able to validate those kinds of claims.
Because some products are very similar but have different labels, doesnt mean that they're all bad necessarily. Just be careful on the price you pay, and do some research. There are plenty of people on this forum who have or have ridden in many types of suspensions.
If the company doesnt have any kind certification for their manufacturing, or are very new, i would be careful on putting it on your daily driven car.
North240
03-16-2005, 07:29 PM
Of course Apexi is going to tell you that, what company is really going to say yes these coilovers are 100% the same as these cheaper units................
Thats just a poor business move if they ever admitted it, they may be a little different but not that much.
the exv's are made in taiwan according to a source i have at apexi usa. they mainly released this model to expand their product line so they can have an entry level coilover that will be comparable to the tein ss with pillow ball mounts. the n1 evolution model coilovers (ie. type drift, circuit) will continue to be made in japan as their old models were
wanganwonder
03-16-2005, 07:38 PM
they are the same. enjuku is using them on their shop cars. probably getting some myself.
OptionZero
03-16-2005, 08:39 PM
They are the same...but there's a coupla hundred $$$ price difference? I wasn't aware the Apexi' sticker was worth so much! =P
There's no reason to get the Apexi's if they're the same as the MR just more expensive...
mr_240sx
03-16-2005, 09:37 PM
They are the same...but there's a coupla hundred $$$ price difference? I wasn't aware the Apexi' sticker was worth so much! =P
There's no reason to get the Apexi's if they're the same as the MR just more expensive...
theres more to it then the price tag and the different brand names, they are valved differently and they might look similar but im sure the internals are of different quality. Like the saying goes, "you get what you pay for".
nissantuner22
03-16-2005, 09:43 PM
good info in this thread, how much of it is true, meh.
They are the same...but there's a coupla hundred $$$ price difference? I wasn't aware the Apexi' sticker was worth so much! =P
There's no reason to get the Apexi's if they're the same as the MR just more expensive...
The price difference ISN'T a couple hundred. Like I said earlier in this thread, nopistons had a GB on the FD version and they were only like $950. For that small of a price difference over megans, perosnally I'd rather get the apexi's just for the customer service.
TurDz
03-16-2005, 10:21 PM
People plan to buy the Apexi ones should get together with someone who plans to buy the Megan ones, and before installing it, bring it to a shop with a shock dyno and check and solve this question once and for all. I bet members here are willing to chip in a little to pay for the dyno use charges.
$1-5 donations to the ppl who will test them. does this sound reasonable?
OptionZero
03-16-2005, 10:34 PM
I'm down if we find a Norcal shop willing to help us out.
Oh, i'll need $900 for the Megans.
if someone in socal wants to test the megans, i'll have the apexi exv's next week
OptionZero
03-17-2005, 12:21 AM
oh yeah, show me where the Apex are only $950 for the s14, and i'll gladly take a looksee
Logan
03-17-2005, 12:41 AM
EXV is only for S13, EG, and FD.
IIRC the retail price is different for the FD in comparison to the S13.
rps13sh
03-17-2005, 12:55 AM
Yeah, you're absolutely right. If anyone has any casting marks on their type V's let me know, and I'll compare them to mine.. I know that doens't say anything about the valving, but at least we'll know they came from the same factory.
As for the GAB's You're right, they are KYBs. I bought them not knowing that. But I did know the Gab set along with Eibach prokit springs only ran me $375 shipped.
haha YES! and i sold them to him!
Ritz S14
03-17-2005, 01:01 AM
Put Less than 4k miles on them..and got MRs :)
EXV is only for S13, EG, and FD.
IIRC the retail price is different for the FD in comparison to the S13.
there is a s14 model as well
pruto
03-17-2005, 10:04 AM
ok, seriously, if the difference between megan and ExV is less than 100 dollars, i would TOTALLY go with Apexi, because in a year or two when your shocks go out and its time to get a rebuild, investing in Apexi customer service and repair is worth it. with MR, you probably have to go buy another set of coilovers, with Apexi, you get your set pretty much restored to new condition with 300 bucks.
don't get megan just because it looks pretty or is the cheaper/same version of a big company coilover, there are benefits of getting big company coilovers.
OptionZero
03-17-2005, 10:41 AM
I agree, but where have we found Apexi's for less than $100 more than MR? If ExV's are not even available for less than $1000 anywhere, that point is moot.
rps13sh
03-17-2005, 10:46 AM
apex is nice but you gotta try the GP Sports GR-6 i got last week. the best setup ever and designed by tsuchiya himself. it actually looks like a updated version of the KEI OFFICE suspension and ive seen them on sale for $1400. you wont be dissapointed.
OptionZero
03-17-2005, 10:57 AM
Thats a different price level, not relevent to this discussion. Otherwise, why don't we throw in Kei Office and Zeal, or Ohlins while we're at it...
We're only talkin about RED coilovers, because red is the fastest color.
rps13sh
03-17-2005, 11:01 AM
if you got a grand to spend, another 400 shouldnt be that hard. i will stand down cause i dont have RED suspension.
North240
03-17-2005, 01:09 PM
Another 400 could be another summer to some of us depending on where our money is going, and as far as you get what you pay for, it is correct, but remember companies arent stupid they're here to make money. Brand loyalty, and market value of apex products is why they can charge more, simple business not a much higher quality level on the inside.
mr_240sx
03-17-2005, 02:50 PM
apex is nice but you gotta try the GP Sports GR-6 i got last week. the best setup ever and designed by tsuchiya himself. it actually looks like a updated version of the KEI OFFICE suspension and ive seen them on sale for $1400. you wont be dissapointed.
i ordered gr-6's in january and they should be arriving anytime now. I cant wait to try them out!
just for all the ignorant people who say that when the MRs go out, you gotta buy a whole new set...you're completely wrong
you can send them in individually for overhaul at BC. :fawkd:
rps13sh
03-17-2005, 10:35 PM
i ordered gr-6's in january and they should be arriving anytime now. I cant wait to try them out!
thee best setup ever! you will love them like i do.
http://www.speakeasy.org/~rps13sh/gr6_1.jpg
http://www.speakeasy.org/~rps13sh/gr6_2.jpg
stiff ass spring rates but still rides smooth. i honestly expected the worst but got the best. i heard they're sold out in the states. how long did you wait?
OptionZero
03-17-2005, 11:14 PM
just for all the ignorant people who say that when the MRs go out, you gotta buy a whole new set...you're completely wrong
you can send them in individually for overhaul at BC. :fawkd:
eeeeeeexcellent
Ritz S14
03-17-2005, 11:34 PM
Where is BC? IDo you have to send the warrenty card in? Cause.. I didn't..
yudalicious
03-18-2005, 12:51 AM
just for all the ignorant people who say that when the MRs go out, you gotta buy a whole new set...you're completely wrong
you can send them in individually for overhaul at BC. :fawkd:
but there's a big difference in sending something to california and sending something halfway cross the globe to Taiwan... also the language barrier might come as a problem, though I do not know for sure.
pruto
03-18-2005, 02:21 AM
yes, send them back to BC, i bet the shipping will cost you more than it does to replace a full set of apex'i
and i'm sorry, GR-6s aren't the best setup ever, i can think of a hand full that are probably definately better.
rps13sh
03-18-2005, 03:02 AM
probably definitely better? name some for me so that i can prepare my next setup. what do YOU use?
Dousan_PG
03-18-2005, 03:05 AM
he has Apex N1 pro i think
i have Tanabe DD
my friend has GR-6 definately a nice coilvoer.
Ohlins would be top shit. haha
or any custom setup
double adjustable rebound andcompression
i know you can get RS*R s14 ones like that
and other brands
those would be an ulimate setup
also Advance Design (american company) which builds custom for race cars
thse coilovers are out of box, not custom you just find the one that would suit your needs
the BEST suspension setu would be 100% custom to what you do and that means valving specs adjustments and all. but you'll easily spend well over 2K on a set.
mr_240sx
03-18-2005, 10:28 AM
thee best setup ever! you will love them like i do.
http://www.speakeasy.org/~rps13sh/gr6_1.jpg
http://www.speakeasy.org/~rps13sh/gr6_2.jpg
stiff ass spring rates but still rides smooth. i honestly expected the worst but got the best. i heard they're sold out in the states. how long did you wait?
well they are supposed to be arriving in california anytime now!!(from japan) so i should have then for sure by mid april!
blu808
03-18-2005, 02:00 PM
I have the apexi n1 pros. They are awsome. I wouldnt recomend them on the street though.
They are stiff.
Gp are really nice, i drove a s13 at altamont last year for a few laps, with them, really responsive.
its kinda messed up to see Apexi going "down-market" with their gear.
it shows that they are feeling the pressure to compete with companies like Megan and all the other Ebay stuff. someone mentioned that alot of the multi-link is made in the same factory in taiwan.
this is true but the way you phrase that distorts the process. it isnt like the companies are all going in requesting the same product. the company produces the ebay traction arms, toe arms etc. and then american companies are buying them and rebranding them as their own. i wont name names for the sake or avoiding arguemnt but it is quite clear from their sites what they are selling.
i dont see a big deal with the coilovers but i do see a problem with the taiwanese multi-link.
i have detailed images comparing the welds on the off-shore pieces compared to the mutli-link that i am having produced domestically. there really is not comparison. also, the specs on the heims are horrible and the quality is subpar.
i dont think you are going to find these types of issues with the coilovers, particularly if Apexi feels comfortable enough to have them produced there.
although the wage rate and material costs are likelly far cheaper in Taiwan, ISO standards are international.
MikeFD3S
03-18-2005, 05:54 PM
I dont think the place making those coilovers is ISO rated. Theres actually only a very few companies who have that since it's a real PITA to get.
The best suspension is always custom, and custom costs $$$$, I think 2k is a little conservative for quality custom. Ohlins is top stuff, but at over 4k, it's a bit too rich for my blood :D
The only problem with highly custom suspension for weekend racers (me, and most people on the forum) is whether the person using it will know how to use it and tune it properly so that it can perform better. I've got a strong belief that a lot of people running bling 100x adjustment coilovers have messed up setups that are actually hurting their car.
The whole rebuild/overhaul thing that a lot of people talk about is BS. If a coilover is good you shouldnt need to send it in for overhaul every other year because it blows out gets way out of spec. If and when a suspension goes out and you have to send it in, YOU have to pay for shipping to and from them. Good luck getting any kind of warranty honored, especially on coilovers. Has anyone ever dealt with a manufacturer for warranty? It really blows and takes months. They will do everything possible to not honour warranty and fault installation or useage (if they honor all warranties, they will lose lots of money)...if they have warranty at all, that is. If it goes out within a year, the costs, time and hastle will probably be more than if you went with a quality suspension to begin with that has known reliability. After all that, you will still be stuck with a mediocre setup. :axe:
Until I see some extended useage, testing and reviews, I'm gonna remain highly skeptical about these systems...you know the saying 'too good to be true' :Ownedd:
took some pics since i figured everyone would want to see what they look like
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/tkblazer/240%20pics/P1010004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/tkblazer/240%20pics/P1010006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/tkblazer/240%20pics/P1010009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/tkblazer/240%20pics/P1010012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/tkblazer/240%20pics/P1010013.jpg
mr_240sx
03-19-2005, 11:12 PM
dammmm, that red is HOT!!!
fukk, those ARE megans...
excuse me, i'm going to go run a hot bath and dig out the razor blades.
rps13sh
03-20-2005, 02:38 AM
why not look at it the other way? megans are apex?
JKim0901
03-20-2005, 02:55 AM
those are real, i was at the apex garage sale and they had those for the s13 on display. I was disapointed to see the sticker stating that they were made in taiwan, looks to be almost identical to the megan ones....
i think Apexi will lose some brand equity with this move.
but it does go to show where the market is headed, people are price-conscious more than they are quality conscious.
not that these are bad, it is just interesting that Apexi has decided to release lower quality products because they are losing sales to companies like Megan.
i would have thought it smarter to just start up their own company like Megan but have it be backed by Apexi, that would make the new company more appealing than Megan being backed by the big-boys. this has the reverse affect. Megan now looks better and Apexi looks worse.
but then again, here i am riding around on busted D2's... so i guess i am just helping to perpetuate the cycle.
i do have Apexi products on my car however, and i did pay full retail for them so...
mr_240sx
03-20-2005, 10:44 AM
i got apex'i products on my 240 as well and i couldnt be any happier with them! excellent quality! :rawk:
OptionZero
03-20-2005, 11:32 AM
BMW is releasing the 1-series. Does that make the M4 somehow worse?
The release of lower tier product should HELP build the rep, because after people are ready to graduate from ExV's to a better coilover, what will they think of? Apexi'...N1 Pro's.
Theoretically.
These do look freakin' hot, if they were within $50 of MR, i'd jump
95zilvia
03-20-2005, 06:35 PM
I just looked at the pictures, I think they didn't even bother repainting the frony camber plate.
Damnit, I used to have the Apexi WS coilovers, and I went to Megan Racing. Looks like I got Apexi again, or actually, looks like, I got MR, or actually, ahh, I dunno.
At least I can say my coilovers are the same as the Apexi.
yudalicious
03-20-2005, 07:00 PM
maybe the internals are different?
Juujai
03-21-2005, 02:51 AM
it's not really apexis fault. japans exchange rate is getting higher and higher. It's just adding another product to their line up by allowing other countries to make it for em. it's not like the apexi n1s are made in taiwan. i'd stop buyin gany of their products if even their high end stuff is made by cheaper labor countrys. it's true about you get what you pay for though. just because megans and apexi are similar theyre both still made in taiwan. I think it'd be better to wait a while as some of the guys on the forums use it for a while and give us a longer term feedback.
screw ohlins its all about quantum =)
MikeFD3S
03-21-2005, 06:10 PM
D2, Ksport, Megan Racing, Apex, Buddy Club...all the same junk....aiya.. a lot of people had some very serious problems with those D2's and Ksports....someone do some extended testing on these MRs! Go on a fairly bumpy road or something. I'm really curious why A'pexi would choose to go with such a company.
Can TDM parts hang with JDM? Hehe I really doubt it. Company's like KYB Japan have been making shocks since the 1920's and they're used on millions of cars and even aircraft landing gear...if its safe enough for the lives of millions, it has to be reliable and will really do its job. 85 yr experience vs 5 yr experience? I'll go with the former
Internals "should" be different from the MR's but i wouldnt be surprised if they were the same. Since they are using the same casings and same internal valves, the reliability will be the same between the two.
Apex will take a big hit on their credibility with things like these. Although their products aren't expensive as parts from HKS, they are still pretty expensive for what they are. Their N1 catbacks aren't even full stainless (aluminized steel) yet they retail for over $650. Dissapointing, really.
looks and reliability are two very seperate things. A lot of times things are made to look bling to make up for quality.
the day i lose faith is when GP sports and OBX come out with the same coilovers lol
then i will buy OBX coilovers...and for reference, i rock MR coilovers now...and they're nice
well i installed mine today, ride isn't too bad... once i get the car insured (hopefully weds) i'll take the car out on a drive.
mike, apexi does make a full stainless n1 catback and has been for the last year.. its called the N1 EVO
Juujai
03-21-2005, 11:23 PM
after lots of complaint and problems with things, then they start forking out some more money to their third world countries to use better materials... i hate it when exhausts rust. i think id rather just work hard even though i get paid a pretty low wage id rather buy a better quality product instead of just buying whats cheap. atleast i have a sense of peace in my mind.
Catalan
03-22-2005, 05:04 PM
So when the MR's blow you have to send them to Taiwan to fix? If that's the case I'd rather buy Apexi.
A Spec Products
03-22-2005, 05:49 PM
Per Apex'i, they now have EXV applications for the S14 as well as the Evolution 8.
As far as pricing, the price is the same as the S13 application.
BMW is releasing the 1-series. Does that make the M4 somehow worse?
The release of lower tier product should HELP build the rep, because after people are ready to graduate from ExV's to a better coilover, what will they think of? Apexi'...N1 Pro's.
Theoretically.
These do look freakin' hot, if they were within $50 of MR, i'd jump
BMW is making the 1-series because Kia is the fastest growing automaker in the world.
and Kia is owned by one of the big-three american comapnies arent they.
buy a kia, export your future
shop at wal-mart, export your future
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