Redtop SR20DET Full Motorsets $1300

[s13Dr1ft]

$1300.00 FULL SWAP PLUS SHIPPING!!!!!

Full Swap Includes
-Motor
-Tranny
-Maf Sensor
-Ignitor
-Uncut Harness
-ECU

These engines have all been tested and came from running cars. They have also been compression tested. This cost does not include shipping, but for a shipping quote email us with your zip code and location and we will respond within 24 hours.

Also if you are interested we are offering D Stage front mount kits that include piping, front mount intercooler(24x12x3) and blow off valve, for an additional $665.00 for a total of $1965.00 plus shipping.

If you have any questions or concerns please feel free to email us at also pay pal payments should be made to:

[email protected]

This groupbuy ends on April 4, 2005
PayPal us the money at [email protected]

Thank You
D Stage Customer Service

[s13Dr1ft]

bump for a great deal. =0)

[APCh8r]

bump for a hella deal to bad this deal won't be around when i need it :smash:

[lmnhed]

could you shoot me your phone number. I am interested in purchasing a motorset, but I need to talk to someone over the phone before i could commit to a large purchase like this.

Also, could you send me pics of the motor set and FMIC kit, and a shipping quote of just the motorset to Tucson, AZ 85742 Residence.

[email protected]

[s13Dr1ft]

just sent you a PM and a Email.

[ghostuss]

question. Anyway for pick up? You guys get this from the west coast right?

[420sx]

good price, too bad i already ordered a clip

[s13Dr1ft]

No..we get our engines direct from japan, our guy has a dock down south. we dont go through the west coast

[justinhustle]

how much for s14 automatic sr20det :)

[clean]

how much for shipping to 04074? so is this like "full swap" that HT, enjuki, etc. sells for around $2300-$2500? i'm just a tad lost

[s13Dr1ft]

Rate Quote from 46221 to 04074
Description Code Weight Rate Charges
Class 50 freight C50 490 6859 336.09
Billed Weight Minus Actual DEF 10 6859 6.86
Billed (as) Weight AS 500
Fuel Surcharge FSC 12.0 41.15
Total/subtotal Billed Charges TTL 490 419.10

The motorswaps come with everything listed.

[clean]

do you have pics of the intercooler and bov you are talking about?

[aa87]

south? like lousiana? How much would shipping be to 71115, i want to definatley jump on this!

[s13Dr1ft]

Total/subtotal Billed Charges TTL 490 365.40 To 71115.

I do have a picture of our FMIC, its kinda rough as it has been our test fit fmic. Ill get it posted up

[A-dup]

How many of these do you have available? Also could I get a shipping quote to 63304.

Thanks

[s13Dr1ft]

All together we have almost 85-90 SR's. This group buy is for 35, so far noone has dedicated to it. As soon as people send there paypal they will be accounted for and i will start an online list to show everyone who has bought in and how many we have left to go.

Your Price quote is...

Total/subtotal Billed Charges TTL 490 294.34

[s14turbosilvia]

Let me know when these are expected in. I will put payment on one as soon as I get that information.

-ben

[rps13kid]

was wondering if there is any way to pick up if i order one ..i live in wi so it is not that far awayemail me at [email protected] let me know

[aa87]

Few more questions, hwo much just for the intercooler and piping, what kind of flange is used for the blow off valve, what kind is included, pics of that? Will these be shipped immediately or is there some kind of wait, im very very tempted, but do you guys have any kind of warranty or anything? Would you guys happen to have any stock intercoolers and SR radiator shrouds too? how much with those?

[zootang]

Hello,
I also would like to see some pics of the motor set and FMIC/piping and BOV.
and shipping quote to 97058 comercial or 97060 residential.

thanks z0.o

[adoboboy]

Shipping to 10976 please?
Ditto on the pix of the motor and fmic/piping.
I have an s14. do u have IC piping for that?
Thanks
-WA

[s13Dr1ft]

Ok. Everyone asking for quotes. Somthing happened and i cant get quotes right now. Ill have to get them in the morning. Thank you for being patient.

Rps13kid- Yes you can pick the engine up once they arrive.

ZooTang- I dont have pics of the piping/Bov yet, ill try and get pics of them asap.

Adoboboy- Are you asking about Blacktop s14 piping? Ill have to look into how far along those are for you.

Please everyone with questions only about the FMIC kit's, E-mail the questions to our Email, so i can keep this thread for the SR's thank you guys.

Jordan

[ColumbusDrift]

i would probably be interested in picking a motorset depending on where in indiana you are at. if you could tell me where you are at that would be awesome.

[s13Dr1ft]

Were in Indianapolis.

Sorry everyone, the page is still down. there trying there hardest to get it back up so i can get you guys your quotes.

[obsolete]

i'm also wondering about warranty. also, do u have a store website? how many mi. on these motors, pictures, shipping to 07605. very interested, but need more info...

[tonesdefae86]

bump for some good guys.

[getsideways77]

Verryyy intrested how much for shipping to 60504??? send to [email protected] thanks :wiggle:

[s13Dr1ft]

Everyone who wants shipping quotes. Email your zip, im getting them all knocked out right now and cant go through this thread right now.

[email protected] Thank you

Jordan

[APCh8r]

a friend of mine has emailed you twice and has yet to hear anything back from you. He is extremely interested so if you can get back to him it would be greatly appreciated. His email address is [email protected]

[s14turbosilvia]

seems there is a lot of people intrested. could you please release a PHONE NUMBER so that some of us might get in contact with you. I am especially on a time crunch right now, so I would really appreciate it.

[Inland180]

emailed you!!!!!!! :)

[s14turbosilvia]

i also emailed you.

[s14turbosilvia]

I'm ordering mine today, so I can gaurantee that I get one when the container gets here. It is supposed to arrive in early-mid april.

C'mon people! This guy has a great deal, why not?

[APCh8r]

I'm ordering mine today, so I can gaurantee that I get one when the container gets here. It is supposed to arrive in early-mid april.

C'mon people! This guy has a great deal, why not?
it would help if he would reply to emails so people that want to order can. I understand he is busy but it has been about 4 days.

[Edgar]

OK i have replied to everyones emails.

Jordan

[s14turbosilvia]

talked to them on the phone today, seemed like good people just trying to get their name out in the community, hence the low prices. I hope more people that need engines jump on this soon!

[clean]

weren't you the guys selling the s13 vlsd saying it was an s15 hlsd then when confronted w/ it went on to sell it on ebay as an s15 one again. how bout posting some pics of
1: the motors
2: the intercooler and bov.
your websites don't have much on them either. i think i'll wait till someone else gets a motor from you guys cause i don't see any good feedback on you guys. we need more info also. 1300 for a full swap, sounds too good if you ask me

[obsolete]

i'm def down for one. hope this place is legit. who else is getting one?

[WILDACEX187]

i was the one involved in the lsd deal. me and jordan had a talk and on the shipment with the sr's my s15 diff with shaft is coming in. great guys to deal with. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/mittelgrosse/medium-smiley-064.gif

[APCh8r]

OK i have replied to everyones emails.

Jordan
two emails have been sent to you and still have heard nothing back from you, whats the deal. The email address is [email protected]

[Edgar]

We have not recieved anything from that email address.

[email protected]

Thank You
Jordan

[mjjstang]

Im in Detroit area and would drive down to pick one up if I could take a look at them, also would you still need money up front, and when is the soonest that they would be available.

[s14turbosilvia]

These guys are super busy. Have a little patience with them. I have their phone number if it's an emergency. email me for it at [email protected]

-ben

[s14turbosilvia]

Just sent my check in last week this past week, can't wait!

[s13Dr1ft]

stillm waiting on everyones money and information. If you have questions call 317-413-1953
Ask for edgar
Jordan

[lil_vang]

sent you an email i have a buddy who might be interested

[ohnobigtdawg]

can you guys sell the intercooler and blow off.. for the same price if i dont buy the motor?

[kickboxin]

If anyone wants to make a little money. I will take one of the motors. But all I need is the motor, trans and ignitor. They can keep the rest either to use or sell. I have cash, but dont feel comfortable sending a money order. If anyone is interested, just let me know.

[WILDACEX187]

Deal with someone that has some history. Aren't these guys brand new? Ask yourself some questions. Like, how in the world are they getting this price? Are they really complete sets, maybe really high miles, maybe it's all a hoax to get your hard earned money? It wouldn't be the first time we've been taken for a ride. I say deal with a reputable company that has been around a long time. I deal with Eric at B & E customs or Kevin from LS automotive. They take good care of me EVERY single time and they are very well known in the Nissan community. I don't have money to take chances with. Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

P.S. Who posts under 2 different names anyways!

1. there are 2 different guys that work for the same shop.
2. how is somebody suppose to get their name out that they are a good shop/company if nobody buys from them? ask yourself that. how did they start off at ls auto or b and e? did they already have a customer base set? ask them. tell them to come on here and tell us how they started pls because i would love to know :mepoke:

[s14turbosilvia]

Deal with someone that has some history. Aren't these guys brand new? Ask yourself some questions. Like, how in the world are they getting this price? Are they really complete sets, maybe really high miles, maybe it's all a hoax to get your hard earned money? It wouldn't be the first time we've been taken for a ride. I say deal with a reputable company that has been around a long time. I deal with Eric at B & E customs or Kevin from LS automotive. They take good care of me EVERY single time and they are very well known in the Nissan community. I don't have money to take chances with. Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

P.S. Who posts under 2 different names anyways!


I talked to them on the phone, and have probably logged about an hour on the phone with Edgar, and he kept repeating more than anything else that they're "just trying to get their name out there and that they will not sell a faulty engine, because it's their name riding on that engine."
I know that after taking the time to speak with them on the phone etc. that I can trust these guys with my money. As for everybody else, I encourage you to do the same as I did and develop your own opinions.

[Catalan]

How much would shipping be to 89144?

[s13Dr1ft]

Total/subtotal Billed Charges TTL 490 549.93 shipped to 89144

[s14turbosilvia]

S13Df1ft:

Could you please email me documentation from any overseas shipping companies, customs, etc that prooves these engines are on the way. Any pictures that you recieved from packaging in Japan, or anything at all, I would greatly appreciate it.
My father is the cosigner on the loan that I had to get for my car, and he thinks things are somewhat fishy with you guys wanting money up front before the engines arrive in the country. Again, I would really appreciate it.
Would there be any harm in me just getting a refund right now and paying for it when I come to pick it up?
-ben

email to [email protected]

[Edgar]

Ben I will email my importer to get some pictures for you in the next couple of days.
If you could please call me if you have any questions or concerns. I will be mailing you a receipt to your home address. Again the group buy will be ending Friday March 25th due to some customers making their payment this coming week.

Thank You
Edgar Sarmiento
D Stage

[ge0man]

send me pics aswell


[email protected]

[pinkpandaslide]

im def interested ..i just want to make sure this is legit...i might want to pick up more than 1 set too..let me know shipping quotes to orlando fl 32833..thanks

[Edgar]

You are looking at $540.57 for shipping on one set thru Roadway if more then one set are bought we can set a deal of some sort. If you have any questions feel free to give us a call at (317) 413 1953
Also we are waiting on reply with pictures so we can post them up.

Thank you once again
Edgar
D Stage

[obsolete]

pics to [email protected] Also how many of you guys have sent payment already? They are telling me that they need payments before shipment gets here to cover costs, but that doesn't make any sense to me.

[s14turbosilvia]

I have made payment in full already.

[Edgar]

We have received 14 orders so far. We need to get at least 35 in order to pay our shipping cost and custom fees. The group buy was extended to March 25 in order for more guys to get in on this great deal. I guess a lot of people are waiting for their tax checks LOL. I spoke with Ben (s14turbosilvia) today and advised him that I will be posting up pictures of the engines that are being boarded on to our container in Japan. The reason why we need the money before hand is to cover the cost per motor, if a customer is not serious and backs out [which has been known to happen] we are not stuck with motors we do not need. Also because we hooked up on this deal and we would like to have as many sold upon arrival as possible so we are not stocking 35 SR’s in our small space. It is posted on the group buy that there is a 25% restocking fee which would be $325.00 after making payment if cancellation occurs.

[ge0man]

shipping to 08009 ?

[s13Dr1ft]

Total/subtotal Billed Charges TTL 490 367.49

[S13FREEAAK]

When are the motors supposed to be here?

[SOUTHSTAR]

Shipping to 33317 ?

Also do you do paypal? I would just feel better with some sort of proof i sent the money and all that.

Dont take it like we dont wwant to trust you. I know i want to , but remember that some of us (me included) have saved for a long time to get this kind of money together. Its hard enought just to see the your bank account to go back down to 0 (or even below 0 lol) and it would really suck if you dont get what you thought you would or anything at all.

[s14turbosilvia]

When are the motors supposed to be here?


From what I was told, the crate is slated to arrive in Indianapolis mid to late April. Edgar may have it pushed back another week or so waiting for the container to fill up.

[s13Dr1ft]

Yes. PayPal is a great way to pay, We actually have gotten many payments from Paypal. Its very reliable.

Second weekend of April is when they wil be here.

Total/subtotal Billed Charges TTL 490 591.61 to 33317

[Catalan]

We have received 14 orders so far. We need to get at least 35 in order to pay our shipping cost and custom fees. The group buy was extended to March 25 in order for more guys to get in on this great deal. I guess a lot of people are waiting for their tax checks LOL. I spoke with Ben (s14turbosilvia) today and advised him that I will be posting up pictures of the engines that are being boarded on to our container in Japan. The reason why we need the money before hand is to cover the cost per motor, if a customer is not serious and backs out [which has been known to happen] we are not stuck with motors we do not need. Also because we hooked up on this deal and we would like to have as many sold upon arrival as possible so we are not stocking 35 SR’s in our small space. It is posted on the group buy that there is a 25% restocking fee which would be $325.00 after making payment if cancellation occurs.

I thought the group buy ends on April 4th? Also do you know a rough estimate of how many miles were on the motors before they were pulled out?

[s13Dr1ft]

We pushed it back again so more people can jump on this great deal. The engines have 30-40K miles on them when pulled

[bim]

We pushed it back again so more people can jump on this great deal. The engines have 30-40K miles on them when pulled

Will the deal keep being extended if the required number of buyers is not met... or how will that work?


thanks

[Edgar]

we cant push it back anymore , its just not fair to the people that already paid.
but we will try to have another one after this container arrives for those that werent able to participate this time.
hopefully we'll be able to keep getting these kinds of prices and that will help us offer lower prices to you.

[bim]

So the deal will go through even if there are not 35 buyers?

I have the money ready, im just waiting to see some pictures of the engines and how they are packaged.

thanks

[s13Dr1ft]

yes it is going through with 35 or not, people have already paid and we cant make them wait any longer.
Were getting pics as soon as we can, were waiting on the email.

Jordan

[Catalan]

So when does the deal end for the first group buy?

[Edgar]

The deal is schedule to end on March 25 for the SR's but we have other orders coming in for Honda, Mazda, and some 3rd gen MR2 motors.

Thanks for everyone’s patience and we will be posting pictures as soon as we get them.


Thank You
Edgar
D Stage

[rps13kid]

is there any way that i could give you half the money now and the other half when i pick the motor up...or is that asking too much...??:/

[s13Dr1ft]

Again. All money must be collected before shipping/pickup. We have to pay off container fees, import fees and other things. SO No you can not pay half now half later. Thank You

Jordan
DarkStar

[Buttasc0ttch]

I noticed you did not mention that it doesnt come with a side mount intercooler, pwr steering, a/c, etc. So if it doesn't come with that stuff isn't it just about the same price than as the 2200.00 complete swap since you'd have to go out and buy all those parts?

[Edgar]

again i did post that it comes with ECU UNCUTT HARNESS MAF SENSOR IGNITOR
IF IT IS CONNECTED TO THE BLOCK OR HEAD ITS COMES WITH IT. the intercoolers are NOT included they are usually pretty banged up . but thats why we offer a D-STAGE FMIC PIPING AND BOV FOR 665.00 I think thats pretty reasonable http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/xxedtegraxx04/s13sr20detpic.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/xxedtegraxx04/FMIC1.jpg

[rps13kid]

i am going to call you on mon about sending you the money and about picking up the motor when they come in,so i dont have to pay for shipping...

[Edgar]

Sounds good man. We will be looking forward to your call.

Jordan

[s14turbosilvia]

come on you guys! buy, buy, buy. They are on ebay now, so that might make some of you buyers more confident.

Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46093&item=4537085882&rd=1)

[Edgar]

Yes thanks for posting that up Ben. 6 more days left on the SR's and getting this container wraped up and on the way.

[jedc]

How much would shipping be to 39564? This will be a business location if that matters.

[SOUTHSTAR]

Ohh yeah can i get shipping cost to a dealership parts department. Then shipping will not require a liftgate on the truck because we have a forklift.

Would it be any cheaper to 33317 at a buisness?

$591.00 shipping is killing me on the price of the motor

[Vicious-S14]

How much to ship to bus. address to 28212?

[Edgar]

Total/subtotal Billed Charges TTL 490 406.68 to 28212

And too 33317 it will be around the same price for shipping.

[Edgar]

Total/subtotal Billed Charges TTL 490 435.21 to 39564

[mjjstang]

I noticed you did not mention that it doesnt come with a side mount intercooler, pwr steering, a/c, etc. So if it doesn't come with that stuff isn't it just about the same price than as the 2200.00 complete swap since you'd have to go out and buy all those parts?

at any rate go find a better deal than this one and then come back and post a link, good luck,

[Drift Style S14]

Intrested, what would shipping be to 94564 california.

[ballr858]

i'm definately interested. this is perfect timing for me. what kind of blow off valve would come with the front mount/bov deal?

shipping to 92131?

[email protected]

[Edgar]

Total/subtotal Billed Charges TTL 490 630.08

[Edgar]

Total/subtotal Billed Charges TTL 490 568.15 and the b.o.v that comes with the kit is a d-stage very comparible to hks ssqv

[s14turbosilvia]

Recieved my reciept in the mail today from edgar. Thanks again guys, I'll be seeing you in a few weeks. Edgar, I sent an email too.
-ben

[iwishiwas-all*]

shipped to 33176
Miami fla i hole your there so i can just pic up

[Edgar]

Total/subtotal Billed Charges TTL 490 591.61

[ballr858]

any type of warranty if something is wrong with sr?

[Edgar]

There is a 30 Day start up warranty on them.

Thanks
Edgar
D Stage

[rps13kid]

this sucks..i dont think i am going to be able to get one, still waiting for my taxes to come....hopefully by fri my money will com so i can get, if i dont get one can you guys get one with your next shipment of misc motors

[Edgar]

Just feel free to get in contact with us whenever you need anything. More great deals to come.

Thank
Edgar
D Stage :)

[bim]

I should have my money to you by thursday(today), or friday.

:) dan

[s14turbosilvia]

Hurry up guys, 1 more day!!! Edgar, whats the count so far?

[WILDACEX187]

payment sent. i cant wait guys http://easy.go.is/hubs/asylum/liebe053.gif

[Edgar]

There is way more engines but thanks to everyone that has sent their money. I hope you guys all received your receipts. Like I said we will be having deals like this in the future.
I will be calling and letting you guys know when the engines leave port something mid next week.

Thanks To Zilvia and to everyone that has participated on this great deal.

Edgar
D Stage

[aa87]

Are you guys going to get any when they arrive, and sell them, once they can immediately ship out is when i can send payment, what will be the price then? Thanks

[Edgar]

We will have a couple in stock that we bought, But they will go back up to $1500 for the full motorset.

Jordan
DarkStar

[ballr858]

so today is the last day right???

[Edgar]

Yes today is the last day so make sure you jump on this great deal :)

[aa87]

IM probably gonna get one once they ship over here, not sure if you answered this or not, but do you guys have any pics of the intercooler and piping yet? What kind of blow off valve flange is on the piping if there is one? You can email to [email protected], thanks alot!

[s13Dr1ft]

GROUP BUY IS CLOSED>

Thank You everyone who bought in and we will be in contact with you as soon as they get shipped out. thanks again

Jordan
Darkstar Developments

[nutipah]

Today is the 9th. The day they're supposed to be here...so what's the word?

[ballr858]

i was wondering the same thing. i was gonna call but i woke up super late. i guess i'll e-mail them

[s14turbosilvia]

supposedly the second weekend in april is the day that they arrive in the COUNTRY, not to indy. they will be in indy in a couple weeks. Anybody wanna race me to the first engine!!!!??? yes!

[bim]

supposedly the second weekend in april is the day that they arrive in the COUNTRY, not to indy. they will be in indy in a couple weeks. Anybody wanna race me to the first engine!!!!??? yes!


Ill race :) Im coming from toledo ! :hsdance:

[nutipah]

I'll be there as soon as I know they are there...I'm hoping to get the pick of the litter. This is the second motor I'm getting and the car hasn't even moved an inch yet. I got a shit engine from Zero Lift that had everything that could be wrong with it. Pure crap those bastards sell.

[s13Dr1ft]

As soon as these get in Ill let everyone know. No need to race guys lol. trust me my engine is in there as well and im impatient lol.

Jordan
Darkstar

[nutipah]

As soon as these get in Ill let everyone know. No need to race guys lol. trust me my engine is in there as well and im impatient lol.

Jordan
Darkstar

So are they here or not? Are they in the States or not? When do you expect them in Indiana?

[s14turbosilvia]

yea, where exactly are the engines at right now. I've gotten word that they haven't reached the west coast yet, 3 days late. :(

[bim]

Can we get some updates on the status of the engines? I need to start making plans to pick it up...

[S13FREEAAK]

Soo, Whats the deal with the motors?

[bim]

I emailed Jordan and he said that they "had a problem sending the container due to an error with paypal", and they were sending letters to us... But I am at school, not home where the letter is going, so whoever gets the letter, post what it says here. If the container hasnt left japan yet... thats not good.

[nutipah]

WTF dude. You gotta keep people up on this shit before it gets out of hand. I swear I am gettin to my limits with all these fuckin importers and their shit.

[nutipah]

I knew this shit would go south. When the price is too good to be true it most definitely is. So I get off the phone with Edgar, and this is what he has to say. There was too much money going in and out of paypal so they put a red flag on the money transfer. (why they didn't cover this shit before they took our money, I have no clue) Therefore, the container didn't go out the day it was supposed to, because they folks in Kobe didn't get their loot so they held the container. Why he didn't tell everyone this shit while it was happening, I have no idea. Now it's a week beyond the deadline for the shit to be here, they don't know when they are gonna get the money to Japan; subsequently not knowing when the container is gonna leave. I want to take my business elsewhere and he's telling me he's gonna with hold 25% of my fucking money because of their stupidity and incompetence.

Fuck these mother fuckers and their shit. This is a good way to start out with a business.

All these fucking importers are all fucking themselves with this shady shit. Keep it up and see what happens.

[WYT R1CE]

Wow that fuckin sucks, I was just reading up on this thread waiting for some input on how everything is going and now to find this. Hopefully everything turns out for the best. Keep us updated!

[s13Dr1ft]

Hi my name is Eric Dillon, i am the owner of Darkstar Developments.
this hasnt gone south what so ever.
there was a hold put on our account by paypal, this is not our fault.
it also not our fault that the money did not go through, we have no control of that.
once its in paypal's hands its not up to us anymore.
the container is still loaded and sitting in port.
no one has lost there money. or motor.
as Edgar had previously stated to you if we can not get this resolved in a timely manner with paypal then we will pay for it out of pocket.
its not fair that you (the customer) has to wait due to this error.
i do appologize for the inconvenience and a letter has been sent to everyone who ordered a motor explaining what happened.
there will be a lawsuit filed with paypal for the damage they have done.
but as for the restocking fee, it was stated in the group buy that there is a 25% restocking fee for the fact that we now have to pay for the motor that you cancelled on.
thank you for your patience
Darkstar Developments

[bcrume]

I was gonna order my engine from darkstar but I had the money a day after the group buy closed so it was too late to make an order. Wow, I got lucky. Charging that restocking fee on people that want their money back is shady. I hope this shit ruins your business.

[bcrume]

By the way I got 2 clips from venus auto and they are beautiful.

[Edgar]

how is it shady when it says right in the group buy that theres a 25% restocking fee?
and thank you for your support

[bim]

Hi my name is Eric Dillon, i am the owner of Darkstar Developments.
this hasnt gone south what so ever.
there was a hold put on our account by paypal, this is not our fault.
it also not our fault that the money did not go through, we have no control of that.
once its in paypal's hands its not up to us anymore.
the container is still loaded and sitting in port.
no one has lost there money. or motor.
as Edgar had previously stated to you if we can not get this resolved in a timely manner with paypal then we will pay for it out of pocket.
its not fair that you (the customer) has to wait due to this error.
i do appologize for the inconvenience and a letter has been sent to everyone who ordered a motor explaining what happened.
there will be a lawsuit filed with paypal for the damage they have done.
but as for the restocking fee, it was stated in the group buy that there is a 25% restocking fee for the fact that we now have to pay for the motor that you cancelled on.
thank you for your patience
Darkstar Developments


Can we get any kind of timeframe for when anything is going to go down?

[mjjstang]

god i fucking hate paypal, they have taken money out of my account without even letting me know because a buyer complained that it didnt get there, 3 days after he paid, I cant believe paypal is still in business, anyway good luck I hope you sue the shit out of them and win, hopefully I can get on the next GB if you guys have one.

nutipah, your the only dumb mother fucker here, you dont know how it is to import and export shit, its not as easy as going to the local hardware store and buying nuts and bolts, how did they know that paypal is gonna fuck them, your are an ignorant moron as it shows in your post. I have bought and sold hundreds of times over theinternet to overseas, and over the years I have been burned ONCE. taht is it, sure it has taken longer than expected in many cases but dont fucking explode like a little pussy.

[bim]

So I get off the phone with Edgar, and this is what he has to say. There was too much money going in and out of paypal so they put a red flag on the money transfer. (why they didn't cover this shit before they took our money, I have no clue) Therefore, the container didn't go out the day it was supposed to, because they folks in Kobe didn't get their loot so they held the container.



This part needs to be explained by s13dr1ft right now. I just got off the phone with paypal, trying to find out if your account was really locked. While they couldnt disclose that information, they did tell me that they WILL NOT lock an account simply because a large amount of money is moving in/out of an account. Most(99%) locks on accounts come from disputes filed by people against scammers.

So if I were you, s13dr1ft, I would elaborate on why this happened, or post a screenshot of the locked account, because this really isnt looking to good. If this goes 30 days without any GOOD explaination or the goods havent shipped, I will be filing a complaint with paypal and notify my CC company. This is not good business practice, especially for "a new company just trying to get their name out to the community". You guys are digging yourself into quite a large hole here that you really need to get yourselves out of. QUICK.

You have until April 28th, I advise you dont take that long.

Dan

[bcrume]

how is it shady when it says right in the group buy that theres a 25% restocking fee?
and thank you for your support

It's not worth wasting my breath to explain this.

[nutipah]

mjjstang. You don't have money involved in this so you cannot be as passionate about the case. This is the second importer that I'm dealing with about a ghost motor or a bum motor. You like to talk shit hu?. I hope I get to meet you one day.

[WILDACEX187]

this is not good guys. i've been in contact with jordan on AIM and hes been feeding me some shit about how the container is close to getting into customs, now i hear this. how long are we suppose to way 2 month, 3? this is unacceptable.

[420sx]

wow you guys fell for the low price. i have nothing to say besides "you get what u pay for"

otherwise, i hope darkstar racing wont fuck ppl like work tamaguchi did. good luck with your business, i hope u guys do ppl right.....

[s14turbosilvia]

I do agree that things have been handled poorly. From the second they knew there were paypal problems, the customers should have been notified. Lying and saying the container is getting close to customs and then 3 weeks later having it still be in port in Japan makes people feel like you lied, scammed, etc.
I know darkstar is not scamming. But I also agree that these are very poor business practices. They are not instilling very much confidence in customers by withholding and lying about all of the detailsfrom paypal.
My suggestion to them would be for them to have paypal release all information about their business' account to everybody who has money invested in their group buy. I think that if our motors aren't going to be here anytime soon, that is at the least fair to the customers.

-Ben

Also, I looked over the initial post very closely, and it says nothing about a 25% restocking fee. Where did you mention it?

[obsolete]

yea...there is nothing about a restocking fee. I LOVE GETTING SCREWED

[mjjstang]

your right I dont have money involved, but hey when I used to bitch about getting screwed on the forums noone cared, except me, so heres a taste of that, but guess what I eventually didnt get screwed, maybe this guy is a ripoff but maybe not and give him a few weeks, although I am not sticking up for the company, just handle it with a little more professionalism,

[WILDACEX187]

this is true, there is no mention of the 25% restocking fee in the first page

[s13Dr1ft]

After going back and looking you are correct there was no mention here as there should have been,
This should have been posted and wasn’t http://www.groupbuycenter.com/Sale.aspx?id=19421 again this is to no fault of you,
And no were not going to fuck anyone. We wouldn’t have told anyone anything about it being on its way if we knew any different.
April 9th was the estimated day of arrival, we call for an arrival confirmation on that day, they say we have no record of that container being unloaded so i think ok maybe it has’ nt arrived yet.
10th I call back, no arrival,
11th no arrival,
12th a phone call from pay pal letting us know that our account has been held until we an verify numerous things to prove that were not a scam. Among those things are tracking numbers that we have no way of providing due to the fact that the motors are not even in the states to be sent to have a tracking # assigned.
We have more then 40K wrapped up in this container ourselves believe me I want nothing more then to get this handled as much as you do.
We are doing everything we can to do so.
And we will be filing a lawsuit against them for defamation of character,
Obstruction of regular business, loss of business etc...
No we probably won’t be doing anymore group buys after this, unless we can do it without pay pal.
For those that did buy into the group buy we will find a way to make this up to you for your inconvenience, we do understand that this is not your fault and you should not be punished for it.
My sincerest apologies
Eric
Darkstar Developments

[s13Dr1ft]

Here is the screen shots of our PayPal account on hold.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/Kouki180/paypal.jpg

This shows we have taken every step that we can and are waiting on there reply.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/Kouki180/paypal2.jpg

Jordan
Darkstar Developments

[WILDACEX187]

ok so now we have to wait how long? make another paypal name and send the money to the shipping company. dunno if this is possible or what not but my ka wont last much longer and i depend on my car heavily. please let us know when we should be expecting the engines here in the states.

[bim]

I appreciate you replying, that alone should help calm some fears of being scammed.

I would just like a little more info on this paypal issue. If you dont want to discuss it on the forum, fine, email me. What exactly did they say. Ive been dealing with paypal for quite some time, and I even called them last night to ask about your situation(as it was described to us), and what they do. They stories just dont match up...(unless you are withholding some information). They said they will never lock someones account due to high amounts of money moving in/out at any rate. There has to be another factor here.

Also any documents you can show us, screenshots, ANYTHING... will help plenty.(just saw your above post, thanks)

And I really hope that you can get the paypal issue sorted out BEFORE bringing them a lawsuit. If it takes a lawsuit to get the transaction through, we wont be seeing our engines for over 6 months.

Dan Illausky

[s13Dr1ft]

Were going to be paying it out of pocket (which runs us close to bankruptcy), If we dont get it taken care of by next week.

So, i would expect atleast another 45 days for the container to get here.

They put the account on hold becuse they said the amount of money we had coming in was suspicious, We do plan on getting the money our before we file the lawsuit.

So one way or another everyone that ordered an engine will be getting it and we will find a way to make up for your inconvenience.

If you want more info about our Paypal accont Email us becuse were trying to keep that off the board.

Those are the only screen shots i can provide right now.

If anyone wants to get ahold of me, call my cell. 317-985-0623

Thanks,

Jordan

[s14turbosilvia]

Thank you very much for those screenshots Jordan. I realize you're trying very hard to get this to work for your company and everybody else who is involved. The best suggestion that I can give you is to release EVERYTHING that you can bring up about this situation to your customers. But again, I really appreciate everything that you have provided thus far.
-Ben

[s13Dr1ft]

We have no problem telling the people who are already bought into this the information, BUT we want them to Email us, People who have nothing to do with this shouldnt have any information right now. Due to our case against Paypal we dont want to gepordize(sp?) anything. So again, please send us an Email and we will let you know.

Jordan

[s14turbosilvia]

I agree. You could just make an email addressed to all your customers, detailing everything that you know as of now, and keep us updated too. I would like to be updated, at the latest, every 4 days.
-BEN

[s13Dr1ft]

We have already sent a certified letter to everyone that is in the groupbuy, explaining everything. So everyone be looking out for that as it should be at your house's very soon.

Jordan

[NakayamaKiyoshi]

uh oh, i might be out of the country by the time it gets to me =/

[s13Dr1ft]

Is there anyone that can get it for you?

Also, We have our domain e-mail addy's, until i get all of them set up like. Engine's, cars, etc. You can send any emails to mine and that is

[email protected]

We will not be using [email protected] anymore.

Jordan
Darkstar

[khoadogg]

bump for a great deal!

[ghostuss]

another business gets screwed in the ass by paypal. You should read up on paypalsucks.com those bloody money sucker. There were stories of lawsuit, I think paypal lost even when paypal had this policy that they can do whatever if ppl want to use their money transfer method. I think, not exactly sure I remember. If it is not everyone want to use paypal here to pay, I won't even use paypal.

[m0rex]

I live 5 min away from the Paypal main hq. I think im going to beat the shit out of their employees for doing this. They always do this shit. Then im going to go drifting on their parking lot. :boink:

I also might break thier windows too they have a lot of them. I wont forget to take pictures too. :D

[NakayamaKiyoshi]

so any updates about our situation in the past 2 days?

[s14turbosilvia]

Yes, updates would be nice.
mOrex - please do! and pictures of your work would be excellent!

[bim]

Yes, updates would be nice.
mOrex - please do! and pictures of your work would be excellent!


Last I talked to them they were just waiting on a reply from Paypal. They don't seem to be in a rush to get anything resolved(Paypal that is). :bash:

[s14turbosilvia]

Yea, especially with darkstar paying them around $35 for each of our $1300 transfered. Their customer service is kinda numb.

[s14turbosilvia]

So the end of this week is the deadline for paypal to get their shit together? After that, you're going to take matters into your own wallet? Is this correct?

[Siege_a]

Well I've been in contact with two of the three people at Darkstar (pretty easy since I live like 45 mins away from their business). Apparently they have to wait for some things to clear their account, then they are paying from their pockets. After they order it could be around ANOTHER 45 days. All I have to say, is that IF they are scamming me, they have come up with a pretty good line of BS. I still believe they will come through. maybe I'm being niave, but I still have faith in them. I guess I realize, that even if i wanted my money back, i would probably have to pay the 25% restocking fee, and IF i could get my whole $1300 I would still have to wait for more money before I could get another anyway. So either way I will have to wait, but this way I will only have $1300 in it.

According to Edgar, Eric is already talking to lawyers, and deciding what plan of action to take.

[bim]

I would like an explaination for why it will take another 45 days to get the engines.

If the GB originally ended April 4th(per the first post), and you said the engines would be here the second or third week of April, thats only 2-3 weeks. Why now is it going to take twice that time?

So fill this in for me: Once ordered, it will take (x) days to ship to the dock in Florida, then take (x) days to ship to the shop.

This isnt the 1800's anymore, it doesnt take a month to cross an ocean.

[Siege_a]

Don't ask me, but I would think that the times it takes for a ship to get to that dock (assuming they don't have ships leave for the US everyday), loaded, shipped to the US, unloaded, passed through customs, loaded onto a truck, shipped half way across country, then unloaded at their shop. But hey, what do I know, I'm not the one ordering or shipping them.

Your point about when the GB ended, and that it was supposed to be here by then, is a good one, and I have wondered that myself.

[s13Dr1ft]

hey guys ssorry for the late reply, we have been super busy lately, trying to get things worked outand prepared for the worse, we will not be using paypal anymore we are hoping to find a similar type money transfer system and were open to suggestions,we were thinking about bidpay.
you guys are our customers and were always open to suggestions from you.
yes we did talk to a few lawyers and i believe we are going to use a guy named Mike Caldwell,
hes supposedly a really good lawyer. has taken on huge corps and won.
so im hoping he can help (especially for the cost :( ) as for the delivery time its because we were selling motors that we had bought that were already loaded, we were under the impression that the container was on its way , we were just preselling ones that we had bought.
and just to make it clear we are not enforcing the 25% restocking fee anymore for 2 reasons. if you want to cancel we understand completely.
as we said before this isnt your fault and we dont expect you to pay for it.
also we didnt post the 25% restocking fee on here so we cant expect you to except it.
any way just wanted to give you the update if you need anything please e mail me and well try to get back to you asap.
thanks everyone.
Eric
Darkstar Developments.

[S13FREEAAK]

I sent you an email Eric.

[s13Dr1ft]

recieved, i will call you tomorrow joe. april 22

[WILDACEX187]

is the shipment on the way? if not when will it leave japan?

[killjoy]

You should look into Firepay. Its what I use for online sports gambling.

[slideways10]

mjjstang. You don't have money involved in this so you cannot be as passionate about the case. This is the second importer that I'm dealing with about a ghost motor or a bum motor. You like to talk shit hu?. I hope I get to meet you one day.

Maybe if you wernt sucha tard and ordered motors from unknown places or people it wouldnt happen. And i like your internet toughguy approach to this "I hope I get to meet you one day" You probably wouldnt do a damn thing

[bim]

Emailed you Eric.

[NakayamaKiyoshi]

is it possible that i get an estimated arrival date so that i can plan around, just a rough estimate will be fine.

[nutipah]

Maybe if you wernt sucha tard and ordered motors from unknown places or people it wouldnt happen. And i like your internet toughguy approach to this "I hope I get to meet you one day" You probably wouldnt do a damn thing


Suck my cock!

Bitches like you can hide behind your computer all day long and sling shit.

[WILDACEX187]

ok ok take this shit to AIM or something dont clutter the thread with bs plz.

[s13Dr1ft]

the rough estimate on when it should leave is the 25th or within a few days, im not real sure how long it will take them to get it off but thats when i will take it out of my own pocket and pay for it.
i would assume 30 to 45 days which is pretty usual, given all the variables(shipping, customs etc...)
i did recieve your pm on here nakayama but not until today, this isnt my screen name so i dont look at it much. but thank you for all your emails i will reply to you as soon as i can.

[S13FREEAAK]

Eric, I sent you another email.

[s13Dr1ft]

hey joe, i will call you today just got my phone back from sprint, i couldnt get it to charge so its been dead for the last 2 days.
checking my e mail now.
ill try to keep you all updated as much as possible.

[S13FREEAAK]

When are you going to email me my reciept?

[WILDACEX187]

got mine by mail.

[S13FREEAAK]

For some reason they never sent me one.

[s13Dr1ft]

Joe,
we didnt send you one becuse you didnt pay for this engine, we sent the oens we had written down that bought engines. Your buisness is different. Ill send you an copy of the original for your deal.

People should be getting there letters in the mail today or tomorrow i hope.

And as today is the 25th, We are either paying for the rest of the fees by pocket or the paypal. Were still waigting on them to get back to us about the last issue at hand. So hopefully we get the money sent out by today and get these engines out ASAP.

Just to clear some things up. All of us are affected by this paypal ordeal, My engine, Eric's engine and other peoples engines are all being held up by this. We are all being affected by this. As our cars are sitting with no engines in them. So yea i too am being held back by PayPal. I just ask everyone to have a little paitence with us as we work this out and get these engines over here one way or another.

If we were here to screw people out of there money, You wouldnt be eharing from us on a day to day basis.

Everyone has my cell number and can get ahold of me anytime day or night. as im usually out running around, And if you dont have it here it is again.

317-985-0623
Thank you guys so much,

Jordan Nelson
Darkstar Developments/D Stage

[darkstardrifter]

hey joe this is Eric and jordan's actually wrong about the reciept, i sent it out and it said 850.00 paid 450.00 credited im looking at it in my hand as we speak, if i had a scanner here i would e mail it to you. only thing i can think of why it might not had gotten there is if i wrote the address wrong and it had been returned to our old address.(we just moved a week or so ago)
but i am sending you a new one so you should expect it this week.
what jordan had also forgot o mention is that not only our motors are in there but around 40k worth of merchandise. :( so we do understand.
but when it does arrive i think we will have some nice stuff that you guy's may be interested in.

[S13FREEAAK]

Okay, Thanks.

[s13Dr1ft]

My mistake on the that........

[WILDACEX187]

hey joe this is Eric and jordan's actually wrong about the reciept, i sent it out and it said 850.00 paid 450.00 credited im looking at it in my hand as we speak, if i had a scanner here i would e mail it to you. only thing i can think of why it might not had gotten there is if i wrote the address wrong and it had been returned to our old address.(we just moved a week or so ago)
but i am sending you a new one so you should expect it this week.
what jordan had also forgot o mention is that not only our motors are in there but around 40k worth of merchandise. :( so we do understand.
but when it does arrive i think we will have some nice stuff that you guy's may be interested in.


ok umm are they on their way yet? this is getting ridiculous already. :wtf:

[bim]

Havent gotten a reply to my emails in the past 3 days... whats goin on here guys, lets get some communication going on here.

[s14turbosilvia]

I would really appreciate an update here. I thought the deal was to keep us updated all the time? Whats going on?

[ballr858]

anybody try to cancel their orders or is everyone gonna wait it out?

[NakayamaKiyoshi]

im waiting it out

[bim]

Starting to get me worried here, been a week without any word, not even email...

[darkstardrifter]

sorry guys for the limited contact, 1 my phone is crapping out on me and im waiting on sprint to send me another one. so if youve called and it goes to voice mail just leave a message and ill get back to you asap.

2) our internet is down until the 5th,
but we have sent payment for the container but we have not yet recieved a reciept for it though,
so we have no scheduled date of shipping so far.
but it is paid for and should be sent out soon.ill let you all know as soon as i get some word on it.
i requested a shipping confirmation this time so that i know its done unlike before. :duh:
any way illl try to keep updated between now and then but after the 5th we will be able to keep better updated.
by the way did everyone involved recieve thier letter?

[s13Dr1ft]

Sorry everyone for being late, As Eric has said our internet is down. Again if its gets to where we havent been able to post CALL ME 317-985-0623 That is the fastest way to get to talk to us.

[s14turbosilvia]

I did not recieve my letter. snail mail, right?

[bim]

You say the engines have shipped, but why have i not gotten my refund? I believe you said that you were pulling the money out of your own pockets to pay, so if you did, I should have my refund, and not some more paypal crap. and if not, then the engines havent shipped yet.

[NakayamaKiyoshi]

i never recieved my letter, but i have my reciept still

[obsolete]

when was the payment for the container paid for? u guys told us in the letter that if you don't get the situation handled with paypal by 4/25, you would pay out of your own pockets to get the shipment over here. another week has passed and it's still not taken care of. i think we are all runnin out of patience here. also like bim said, paypal should not be a factor right now.

[WILDACEX187]

they said the container is paid for they're just waiting on an arrival date. u guys should call them if any questions or if u want ur money back. i have not received my letter yet but i do still have the receipt in my safe alone with my last 50 dollars and my pedro martinez rookie card

[bim]

they said the container is paid for they're just waiting on an arrival date. u guys should call them if any questions or if u want ur money back. i have not received my letter yet but i do still have the receipt in my safe alone with my last 50 dollars and my pedro martinez rookie card


They said it was paid for and shipped the first time around... what makes you believe them now? Sorry but I can't take his word for it when it comes to my $1300, especially seeing how they have handled this whole situation.

[WILDACEX187]

ok so call them/email them and get ur money back.

[bim]

ok so call them/email them and get ur money back.

Ive been trying for the past 2 weeks... thats why I am bitching here.

[Siege_a]

I'm waiting it out too.

[obsolete]

wildace u got ur money back? i spoke to them and it seems like they will not give our money back until THEY settle their problems w/ paypal which is bs. so they are basically forcing us to wait it out w/out a choice. anyone else see something wrong w/ that? i want my money back or the engine to ship from japan ASAP. this is BULL SHIT

[s14turbosilvia]

wildace u got ur money back? i spoke to them and it seems like they will not give our money back until THEY settle their problems w/ paypal which is bs. so they are basically forcing us to wait it out w/out a choice. anyone else see something wrong w/ that? i want my money back or the engine to ship from japan ASAP. this is BULL SHIT

I'd give it one more week, give the container time to arrive on the west coast. If it's not here in a week, shit will hit the fan though.

[bim]

wildace u got ur money back? i spoke to them and it seems like they will not give our money back until THEY settle their problems w/ paypal which is bs. so they are basically forcing us to wait it out w/out a choice. anyone else see something wrong w/ that? i want my money back or the engine to ship from japan ASAP. this is BULL SHIT

Yea seriously, I am paying finance charges on this, so by them stalling like this, they are costing me money. Unless DD plans on re-imbursing me for the finance charges I am paying, then I need the money ASAP.

Did someone already get their money back?

[ballr858]

i haven't gotten my money back and its been over a week since i asked for the refund

[ballr858]

on a good note, i did receive a receipt and letter, but they don't mean much to me right now

[darkstardrifter]

hey everyone like i had said it had not shipped yet, i have paid for the container, but it doesnt mean that it ships as soon as its paid for. it just means that its in line to go out. as for the refunds i do appologise to the 2 that had asked for a refund last week,we are taking care of all this as quickly as we possibly can, but as i had stated before we have to pay for these motors when you cancel and we have to pay u back the $1300. so for every cancelation it now costs us 2500 dollars because we have to pay for everything that happens with this now out of pocket. and its not your fault and i understand this but i do ask you for a little patience.
as far as pay pal goes, thats no longer a concern for you(the customer) thats just our problem now. we have submitted to them everything that was asked for and we still get the response"its pending theres nothing we can do".

we are still filing a lawsuit against them and hopefully we will get back all that is owed to us for this horrble rediculous mess.
i sinceerly appologise to all of you for this mess.
and we are doing whatever we can to get it straghtened out.

[WILDACEX187]

omg this is taking too long!!!!!!!!!! please please let us know when u have full comfirmation that this thing has shipped.

[s14turbosilvia]

is there any way AT ALL for you to find out if the container has shipped yet? I would imagine with that much money, there should be a way to keep track of it all.
Please do your best to get us some solid information, otherwise, I have a feeling you're going to find yourselves with a lot more refunds to handle and unbought engines to pay for than what you have now.
I myself am going to stick it out until I can't any longer, but I know that a lot of guys have far less patience than that. Get on the phone and figure some things out.

[NakayamaKiyoshi]

any updates?

[bim]

*knock knock* anyone here? Id appreciate a response to my emails... and im sure everyone here would appreciated some updates on the forum. this is rediculous

[Siege_a]

After May 5th there are supposed to be better response time right?

[obsolete]

don't bother callin them b/c they are not answering. they are just ducking us now.

[darkstardrifter]

hey guys no one is ducking, we just cant get to the phone everytime it rings, we are currently the only ones employed here due to all the mess.
we cant affored to pay our mechanic for everything now so we are oing alot of it ourselves.
check and see if you are sending to the right e mail account because we haven had any e mails that we havent replied to as long as it pertains to the situation. if not it may take a day or 2 . like i sad we are really busy right now.
no real updates as of yet i still havent recieved an ETA so that means theres either no room for it yet or they dont have a boat headed to that port yet. they have sent me a load doc which means they have atleast been looking through it so that it can leave the ..
thats all i have for now.
ill try to up date this more ofton but i hadnt really had any progress to speak of.

[bim]

Ive just been replying to the same email on gmail, so it is the right email address. I sent it to every email address you have listed in this thread. As I said in my email, I need my money back(unless you plan on compensating me for the finance charges I am incurring while you sit on my money).

[S13FREEAAK]

Eric,
I also sent you an email.

[WILDACEX187]

this is funny. my car is dying and i paid all this money to wait 3 months to get a engine. i love u guys

[ballr858]

me too. thats why i need my money back SOON! i have another sr20 waiting to be paid off.

[ballr858]

when will you guys have enough money to give me my refund?

[bim]

At this rate... never. Im seriously calling my CC company if you guys havent given me my refund yet. Not sure what they do in these situations, but im sure they wont wait it out.

[darkstardrifter]

just as a back up we are gonna try to take out a second loan for refunds and back up.
you guys need to understand, this isnt someting we have done on purpose. i understand your frustration but this isnt really somthing you should take out on us personally. this has cost us more money then you can imagine just to try to satisfy all of you.
everything would have been fine if paypal wasnt full of shit and everyone would have had a motor right now.again i appologise but again this isnt somthing that anyone at darkstar had screwed up.
this was paypal.
and becuase of paypal i now owe 40k to the bank plus what i had already spent not to mention docking fees for the last 2 months .plus they have delayed all our product flow and created a bad relationship between us and our customers.
ive had alot of emails lately and ive tried to reply to all of them quickly so i may have overlooked it ,but if youve sent multiple e mails it seems a little hard to over look so ill check through them again.

[darkstardrifter]

bim, i just had a thought that it mwy not be abad idea, since it was sent through paypal if you ask them to cancel or whatever they may be able to remove your money from paypal for you.
im sorry i cant help get your refund quicker.

[s14turbosilvia]

I would suggest you guys either
1) get on the phone two, maybe three times a day and convince the port authority over in Japan that this container is top priority.
2) get goin on this refund loan, because I'm gonna give it until the end of the week before I start asking for my refund too.
I'm sorry you guys, I realize this is nothing you have done purposely, but it is getting out of hand, and some sort of action needs to be taken ASAP!!! It sucks that your business has to start out on the wrong foot, but myself and some other of your customers have personally incurred a loss here too with taking a chance trying to support D-stage. That $1300 was withdrawn from my bank account about 2 months ago, and it's rather disappointing that the engines have not even started on their way over here. Here is a suggestion, do whatever it takes to get that container on the next ship out. If that means take out another loan to pay off the port authority, at least it won't be as much as your $40k refund loan.
My point here is there needs to be some action taken, soon.

[bim]

bim, i just had a thought that it mwy not be abad idea, since it was sent through paypal if you ask them to cancel or whatever they may be able to remove your money from paypal for you.
im sorry i cant help get your refund quicker.


I just filed a claim, so I will see where that gets me. I believe that they will contact you, so please do whatever you can when talking to them to quicken the process. I described the situation exactly as it has happened, told them you guys have been cooperative, just with your hands tied.

dan

[darkstardrifter]

i appreciate the support you guys have given i really do.
we wont be doing groupbuys like this any more unless we have the product in stock.
i guess this is one of those GB horror stories that you hear about.

dan i will do whatever i can to help you along in getting your refund, im sorry i couldnt get it to you quicker.i thought for sure they would have this loan all processed by now.
and as far as the port stuff goes. i have called them daily and its really hard for them to understand the situation due to loss of translation.
the thing is that its a big buyer season for stores like walmart and target etc.. that buy good from japan. those corps take precident over our 1 little container compared to the 20 there bringing in.
but i do call everyday as well as check our bank to see if they had colllected payment yet.
even if i havent posted on here im still working to get this done.
thanks everyone
Eric
DarkstarDevelopments

[ballr858]

i totally understand the situation too, i'm not blaming you guys at darkstar by any means. i'm not mad at anyone, i just need the money back asap because of another motor that needs to be paid off so i can get my hands on it. please let me know when you'll be refunding it. thanks.

[darkstardrifter]

i can completely understand that, like i had said ill do whatever it takes to get this resolved quickly.
i called them today to see if we could maybe have it sent to a port on the eastcoast instead so it may be able to get sent quicker. there gonna call me back tonight or tommorow probably and let me know.
ill try to keep you updated on the situation.

[s14turbosilvia]

i can completely understand that, like i had said ill do whatever it takes to get this resolved quickly.
i called them today to see if we could maybe have it sent to a port on the eastcoast instead so it may be able to get sent quicker. there gonna call me back tonight or tommorow probably and let me know.
ill try to keep you updated on the situation.

Please do keep us updated, at least everyday. Thank you.

[black95se]

Messed up situations guys. I perosnally know Eric and Jordan and can vouch for them when they say that they are doin everything they can guys.

_bryan-

[TheSpeedFactor]

i know that dealing with Paypal on a large scale can be killer and i remember what it was likle starting up ourselves. Best of luck to you guys. I'll say engine sellers are the worst people in the world to deal with so i know what you guys are going through. (i mean the guys in Japan not Dark Star)

[s13Dr1ft]

Well again, i dont have much to say today. Becuse of time difference i cant call until 10PM america time. which is morning japan time. But tomorrow we will have more to post about as today we have nothing. Were working very hard today to get everything taken care of.

Jordan

[s14turbosilvia]

Thank you very much for the update Jordan. It's greatly appreciated, keep it up!

[darkstardrifter]

nothing new guys, been callling japan all night, got alot of run around but no answer on being able to change port destination.

[bim]

Has paypal contacted you about my claim? Ive never filed a claim, so im not sure whats involved in the process on your end.

thanks

dan

-thanks for the updates too,

[darkstardrifter]

no they have not, they are supposed to contact me within 3 days of our filed claim,
they have been less then professional about it.
our lawyer has sent them a letter trying to atleast free up the account.
but i was curious if you had heard anything from you credit card company about getting your money?

[S13FREEAAK]

HAve you heard anything on your loan yet?

[bim]

I decided to try the paypal claim before I went through with letting the CC company try. They said it would be more complicated because I went through paypal. They would pretty much be in the same position we are trying to get the money out of your paypal account.

[obsolete]

hey guys, did u get at least a payment confirmation or a receipt from japan yet? it's been a while since u made payment to them.

[darkstardrifter]

dan: yeah i understand that, thats what i was afraid of, im really sorry bro i know you need this money.
joe: meeting with the loan officer on monday.
other guy: we have got a confirmation that it is available to them.
but they wont recieve it til they are loading the container. that way if somthing goes wrong therer not responsible.
its a liability issue with port authority. the problem with this is that every day that container sits there it costs us more money in docking fees :(

[obsolete]

WHAT DATE was the container paid for? can u post a receipt/confirmation that u have made payment or that they received payment? if we could see this info, it'll give us a better idea of what to expect IMO

[s14turbosilvia]

Jordan-
I need to begin asking for my refund. I'm sorry man. Please count me in for refunds on monday. Thanks anyways.
-Ben Baker

[NakayamaKiyoshi]

when does everyone in this thread estimate the engines arrival to be? juss curious

[bim]

when does everyone in this thread estimate the engines arrival to be? juss curious


Your guess is as good as anyones. If they shipped tomorrow(unlikely), they would be here in 30-45 days

[NakayamaKiyoshi]

man, i need to replan my summer haha

[obsolete]

man, i need to replan my summer haha

word

i need my money back too

[s14turbosilvia]

Alright, whats the deal with the bank meeting?

[darkstardrifter]

just got back from my meeting with the loan officer and iits A NO GO.
they wont give me a loan due to the one i took out to pay for the container already.
they would consider it if paid off 30% of the original loan.
which is 12000.00
and if i had 12k to put up for that then i wouldnt need the loan to begin with.
so they might consider it with a cosigner so i guess ill have to find someone to cosign.
thats my only option i can see at this point.
that or a company investor, which would be hard to find while all this bullshit is going on.
im afraid this may have killed darkstar developments.
i better win big against paypal or else this is it.
ill do what i can as soon as i can
ill keep you all informed.

[s14turbosilvia]

go around to other companies and try and sell some of your un-sold motors that people are asking for a refund for. Then take the money from those sales and use it to refund some of us. These refunds need to be handled, very soon.

[S13FREEAAK]

Do you guys have any of your intercoolers left? You could start marketing those to recoup some of the costs.

[obsolete]

this is ridiculous. we don't even know if the container is paid for. all we have is your word and that's not good enough at this point. how many containers does walmart have? 2 weeks worth?

[s14turbosilvia]

This is now absolutely rediculous. I have my money tied up with you guys and I have no motor, nor any sign that I will have a motor anytime this summer.
I need my refund, period. I can not get another motor, which I need right now, without getting my money back from d-stage. It was fun while it lasted, but for whatever reason why the money is gone and the motors are not here, it comes down to me throwing in the towel on this whole shin-dig and I need my refund right now. I suggest that d-stage pool any money they might have lying around the company and reimburse their customers in serious situations like myself.
Guys (d-stage), please do something quick. There needs to be some sign of progress. I'm sick of twiddling my thumbs and checking this thread everyday, waiting for some sign of success.
-Ben

[bim]

This is now absolutely rediculous. I have my money tied up with you guys and I have no motor, nor any sign that I will have a motor anytime this summer.
I need my refund, period. I can not get another motor, which I need right now, without getting my money back from d-stage. It was fun while it lasted, but for whatever reason why the money is gone and the motors are not here, it comes down to me throwing in the towel on this whole shin-dig and I need my refund right now. I suggest that d-stage pool any money they might have lying around the company and reimburse their customers in serious situations like myself.
Guys (d-stage), please do something quick. There needs to be some sign of progress. I'm sick of twiddling my thumbs and checking this thread everyday, waiting for some sign of success.
-Ben


werd... not to mention the extra cost(for me at least) of finance charges on my CC. ~$30 per month, im losing money here.

[darkstardrifter]

i can only do what i can do im sorry.
the idea of selling these engines again is a bad one i think.
i would rather get a cosigner to sign for the loan.
i would rather make refunds to thos that need them then do bad business.

[S13FREEAAK]

Do you think you'll be able to find a cosigner within the next couple days?