How dirty are Japanese engines, really?

[VERTiG0]

How bad are Japanese engines (namely the SR20DET) on emissions?  Would it suffice to slap a catalytic converter on a Japanese car and run 93 octane or higher gas to pass emissions testing?  I'm wondering this because I live in Ontario, Canada, and our emissions laws are stupid as hell.  Almost as bad as California.

[KiDyNomiTe]

sorry but I don't have any answer to your question but a question of my own.

How often do you have to go for emissions, and what happens if you dont?

Is it possible just to go for emissions before the you get a swap and never go again?

Also how much is a good bribe ($20, $50, $100)?

[VERTiG0]

I heard bribery is the only way to go in California, that's how they have the SR20DETs there.

Up here, e-testing is every 3 years, I believe.

[DuffMan]

SR20DET's are plenty clean emissions wise. Their emissions have nothing to do with why they are not legal.

[wherezmytofu]

to the best of my knowledge 95% of all jdm engines can pass cali emissions...it's just that they dont pass the inspection part.........but smog wise there is no problem....the problems are the pee narks in congress! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

[VERTiG0]

Why don't they pass inspections? &nbsp;What's wrong with them that the inspectors don't like?

[DuffMan]

Swapping an engine that isnt from annother Nissan USA car manfuctured at an equal or later year is illegal.

Not the engine type either, the physical engine itself has to be from a Nissan USA car.

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (VERTiG0 @ Mar. 23 2002,10:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why don't they pass inspections? What's wrong with them that the inspectors don't like?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
not carb aproved engine! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[VERTiG0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DuffMan @ Mar. 24 2002,9:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Swapping an engine that isnt from annother Nissan USA car manfuctured at an equal or later year is illegal.

Not the engine type either, the physical engine itself has to be from a Nissan USA car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That's the stupidest sh!t I've ever heard. &nbsp;I hope there's nothing like that up in Canada.

[AJ]

if you get in a wreck.... and you have a sr20 under the hood... will u get seriously fucked over... in terms of insurance and shit?.. will they not even cover you if u switch engines.. etc... anyone know?

[wherezmytofu]

actually even if the egnine is jdm it can be swaped in if it is same year or higher.....it just has to be a carb approved engine....thats why do many honda people legally have jdm engines in thier cars....honda sucked carb's dick! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AJ @ Mar. 23 2002,10:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if you get in a wreck.... and you have a sr20 under the hood... will u get seriously fucked over... in terms of insurance and shit?.. will they not even cover you if u switch engines.. etc... anyone know?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
insureance will look for anything not to pay u....one of my friends didnt get paied cuz his car was lowered there by making his insureance in-valid! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[VERTiG0]

What the hell is this "carb" you all speak of? &nbsp;Must be American.

[mrmephistopheles]

Yup. California Air Resources Board.

[Takumi]

C - California
A - Air
R - Resources
B - Board

If it's approved by the "board", it'll be legal. Thus making certain things, "CARB" legal. California's an ass. &nbsp;We have wonderful areas for mountain pass driving, many, MANY local tuner shops, JDM parts by the ship full, abundance of car shows, drag racing events, and some of the best tuners in the world. &nbsp;YET WE CAN'T DO SHIT ABOUT SMOG.

ARGH! It's like a friggin' automotive cock tease, I swear!

[drift freaq]

Once again and you should know this Takumi, If it weren't for CARB our air in California would be a hell of a lot dirtier. LOs Angeles is no longer the smoggiest city in the country &nbsp;. Its Houston now . Why because of Carb and our smog laws . Face it internal combustion engines pollute we have to do something to correct it or we won't have air to breathe and we will lose our ozone layer. Now if you guys want your skin to fry off from radiation burn due to no ozone and you want to choke on smog and diesel fumes . Then ignore your smog laws and call them stupid .
Most JDM engines run clean enough to pass smog they don't pass visual for two reasons one is smog equipment that came on the stock engine is usually removed by the JDM engine installer.
Two is like was said earlier it was never in a U.S. market same year or newer car made by that manufacture.

given all that is said above I love hotrodding i.e. performance engines but the goal today is to get it to perform and still pass smog . With our cars this is possible.
Alex Chang the moderator for Socal240sx.org got his car to pass smog with JWT cams and ecu . so it can be done

[camppain]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'> correct me if im wrong but i beleive sr20det's do not come with an egr for starters. of course you can use a sr20de (for fwd swap as far as i know) and det block or just tap a egr in <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

[misnomer]

*misnomer takes his Nevada grown dick and shoves it up CARB's ass. Inspect THAT beotch!

damn, California sucks all sorts of ass.

[Takumi]

Well, okay, sorry if I came off as "whiny". I guess I still have that tuner-happy teenager kid inside of me. I'll retract my previous statement and restate what I think. I live in northern California, so I'm fortunate enough to have cleaner air than southern California residents. &nbsp;You've got a point there. I'm just mad that there aren't enough companies to make any smog legal parts that are more emissions friendly, aside from intakes, exhaust systems, and headers. Aside from GReddy, I just hope there's an emissions friendly turbo kit or supercharger available for our cars. &nbsp;I too would like a nicely tuned car that's quick as well as being emissions friendly. I find that more impressive than just shoving a huge turbo or a motor into my car. Unfortunately, aftermarket companies feel that they don't have enough people driving 240SX's to make the research and development for such parts since the number of 240SX's on the road are limited. &nbsp;Especially if people are crashing their cars and/or doing stupid stuff with them to get them wrecked.

Anyway, my conclusion is. &nbsp;It's kinda frustrating when you really want to tune your car to it's potential, engine wise, but you still want to keep it legal and CARB-friendly. &nbsp;With that said, our options for us "goody-goodies" are limited.

[DuffMan]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (camppain @ Mar. 26 2002,12:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'> correct me if im wrong but i beleive sr20det's do not come with an egr for starters. of course you can use a sr20de (for fwd swap as far as i know) and det block or just tap a egr in <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I thought they came with EGR's but they have to be removed because the LHD steering column is in the way. I'm not sure though.

[Alias]

Couldn't you just tell them that its an SR20DE thats Turbo'ed. Or do they look for an EGR? Haha, we don't have smog in my county in Ohio.

[s15dude]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiDyNomiTe @ Mar. 24 2002,7:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sorry but I don't have any answer to your question but a question of my own.

How often do you have to go for emissions, and what happens if you dont?

Is it possible just to go for emissions before the you get a swap and never go again?

Also how much is a good bribe ($20, $50, $100)?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

The going rate for bribe I heard is around $200, and most JDM engines pass the sniffer, but since our cars never had a turbo model offered in the states, it will not pass visual inspection, i.e. the bribe. Which is also why the honda guys can pass smog easier. How often do you have to smog in california? your best bet is to swap motor right after the smog test. Just don't get pulled over and inspected by the cops.

[wherezmytofu]

only carb legal turbo kits r legal aka greddy! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

[HippoSleek]

I know that you guys know, but for the newbies out in newbie land, CARB means dick to the rest of the country. &nbsp;And as for Hondas, they have such an easy time b/c all of those engines are offered in the US - not b/c they pollute less. &nbsp;The only issue is same year or later car.

Every state has it's own laws regarding emissions and testing. &nbsp;In my state, for example, the state will let you put what ever you want in there BUT - it must have all of the factory emissions equipment that came on a car of that year (visual inspection) and it must pass a sniffer. &nbsp;They don't care if it's USDM, JDM, or G(erman)DM - just so long as it's got the stuff and doesn't pollute too much. &nbsp;(that's only b/c I live in a metro county - if I lived out in the sticks (in the same state), there are no emissions tests at all!!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

BUT - my state also told me that the federal government's laws are different - but that they don't enforce those. &nbsp;The Fed's require the engine have been sold in the US and approved by DOT(?). &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;B/c there are quality, fuel economy and emissions standards that car manufacturers must meet in order to sell cars in the US (CAFE, etc.). &nbsp;As a result, the SR is not US legal and can't be put in any street car. &nbsp;

The lesson here is not what happens, but a warning to call you state offices and find out what the law is where YOU live. &nbsp;I hear too many people on the East Coast worried about CARB! &nbsp;It may be easier than you think.

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (s15dude @ Mar. 24 2002,03:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">your best bet is to swap motor right after the smog test. Just don't get pulled over and inspected by the cops.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i think that would be a problem seeing that smog is like once every 4 years for cars 4 years old and once every year for older cars.....o dunna if it's still like that tho...but in any rate...its not a one time thing...sooo.......thats a lot of swaping! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

[shiq]

Would a KA-T not pass visual inspection either? (outside cali)

[mbmbmb23]

Without CARB, every broke ass fool and their brother would be driving a shitbucket Torino or 70's Chevy van spewing out 86 octane crap fumes out of the hole in the side of their catalytic convertor.