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hurleyboi514
02-07-2005, 03:04 PM
Well, we had our first autox of the season this weekend. I wasn't too pleased with my performance. I decided to remain in DSP this year, and I'll probably stay there for the year. Unfortunately, I haven't had an alignment in ages, also, i discovered that i had two broken front sway bar brackets so it wasn't even functioning. So the car ended up driving like SH1T!! Anyways, we also had a few new DSP competitiors as well, a new Mini S on slicks, my roommate's SER on new slicks, and a faaast 2.5RS with the new Avon Tech R's. So I ended up 4th in DSP despite my horrible day (out of 9 cars I think), and 31st Pax (out of 135). Anyways, next autox, i promise ill be prepared. I need to get an alignment (suggestions??) and finish my rear bushings (still have toe arms, rear hubs, and lower rear control arms), and ill probably raise the car up a little. i had a tough time over the transitions. anyways, here are some pics...
hurleyboi514
02-07-2005, 03:08 PM
more pics:
http://students.etsu.edu/zcdd6/hightach/0806a.jpg
you can see the lip and skirts have fresh paint. the chassis needs it too, but instead, i bought another base chassis that was an abandoned project car. im gonna compeletly restore it and swap everthing over to the new chassis when its complete (with fresh MATCHING paint! :))
http://students.etsu.edu/zcdd6/hightach/0808a.jpg
jonnnny23
02-07-2005, 04:21 PM
your location says the fort, are you in fort wayne indiana?
jmauld
02-07-2005, 04:27 PM
What front swaybar are you running?
Cr0usEEE
02-07-2005, 06:06 PM
Holy Positive Camber Man!!!!!
hurleyboi514
02-07-2005, 06:29 PM
yah, i didnt adjust the plates... my friend pointed that out to me earlier today. that could have been part of my "lack of front end grip." they are still on full outboard, so i have no idea how much that is, but its close to 0. when i push them all the way inboard, its close to 2.5-3.0.
no, the fort is the name of our old house. we had 2 S13's (coupe and fastback), an SE-R, and a Mirage, with a huge garage and lots of modified cars coming in and out and somehow we got the "Fort" as a nick name for the house! :)
Whiteline bars front and rear...
jmauld
02-07-2005, 07:03 PM
Do you mind getting a picture of what broke?
Lucky you... we still have snow here.
i would go for -3.0 degrees in front, -1.5 in rear.
arg23
02-08-2005, 12:18 AM
Do all your other suspension mods now, than get the alignment. If its more race than street -3.+ or more, probably no more than -4. front. Rear... I am not sure about... seems like you want as little as possible to get the traction down, and the nissan rear end has plenty of active camber in the rear so I would defintely stay below -2. probably as suggested -1-1.5. Uh.. toe? Probably make it all zero no need for it when you can dial in your cars handling bias with other bits, and toe is really hard on tires. To be honest I havent gotten a real alignment yet... just tape measured.
The house sounds cool, I just moved out of a house where we had 4 S13's with swaps that I had done, 2 hachis with swaps, my GSR, and a type R. Plus a bunch of others coming and going, subaru, more nissans, bmw, two diesel tow vehicles for the trailer queens, even a scion xB! I think the neighbors thought we were a chop shop. One time one of them came over and asked me if we "dress up" cars here or something, I didnt know how to respond to him. Anyway there were 4 of us living there and we each had 2-3 cars, so it was pretty crazy had a big shop in back to work on everything, house was ghetto though.
I'm jealous our season wont start till at least march. Sigh its ok not really in a hurry to get my ass handed to me anymore, seems like if I drive other peoples cars I win the class, but drive my home built SM car and I get owned , guess its back to the drawing board.
hurleyboi514
02-08-2005, 05:12 AM
yah, next time ill try and run more camber in the front for sure. i think that when i finish the bushings in the rear, ill set the alignment, and go for it...
and i dont have pics of the broken part. but you know what the front sway bar bracket is that attatches it to the chassis?? well, imagine that, in two pieces, haha!
MovinUp-1
02-08-2005, 12:37 PM
I wouldn't run more than -2.5 front camber. I've had very good results with that. Rear camber is no more than -1. I run slightly toe out in front and zero in the rear. This is all with whiteline bars set to middle point in front and full soft in rear. My GC springs are 425 front and 325 rear with specailly valved koni yellows.
HTH
JamesC89
02-08-2005, 05:30 PM
Those last two are pretty good shots. He didn't snag any pics of my car in action did he?
MakotoS13
02-08-2005, 06:22 PM
jeezus man you sorta went in the exact opposite of some of the yahoos wiht their camber issues.
lookin good. track cars OWN.
JamesC89
02-08-2005, 06:28 PM
jeezus man you sorta went in the exact opposite of some of the yahoos wiht their camber issues.
lookin good. track cars OWN.
That's an action shot (mid turn.) I think its confusing some of you.
May I ask you what wheels you're running and their specs? I love them! :D
hurleyboi514
02-08-2005, 08:19 PM
the DT05R's from the big group buy last winter. 16x7.5 +22, 16x8.5 +38; 225/50/16, 245/45/16. i love em, but ive got cooler wheels on the way! they'll be street wheels though. they start with Nismo, and end with LM-2. :)
hurleyboi514
02-08-2005, 08:22 PM
Those last two are pretty good shots. He didn't snag any pics of my car in action did he?
nah, didnt see any... our man JamesC89 (Nathan) won novice class at the same autox. i almost forgot he posts here! :) now he's gonna be bumped into the regular STX class to get raped by Subaru's :( :(
I got cool wheels on the way too: Advan SA3R 16x7.5 +32 16x8 +35 iirc...
But your wheels look HUGE. I was under the impression you were running a 245+ setup all around.
I was running the same tire setup on my old SSRs and never did it look that wide and mean... must be the wider rims.
hurleyboi514
02-08-2005, 08:32 PM
or offsets? i may try and squeeze a 245 up front and a 275 in back!! :)
here is a pic of Nathans car:
http://www.art-o-motive.com/auto-x/ccr1-020605/images/ccr1-020605-11.jpg
another shot of my car:
http://www.art-o-motive.com/auto-x/ccr1-020605/images/ccr1-020605-33.jpg
nlzmo400r
02-08-2005, 08:53 PM
your dt05Rs are 8.5 with a 37mm offset out back, not 38. Just figured id let you know, unless they changed (i got mine from the last group buy). I run 225/45 - 245/45 yokohama avs es100's for street (ran 2 autoXs on em, and even won my class once). But now im runnin azenis on little wheels.
hurleyboi514
02-08-2005, 08:56 PM
oops, off by a MM... my bad... i think your right.
My offsets were 16x7 +25 16x8 +26 on the SSRs... They sticked out pretty well.
I wanted to fit 245s all around... But I haven't decided yet.
:)
JamesC89
02-08-2005, 09:49 PM
here is a pic of Nathans car:
Blah...cool deal. My car looks way tall in that pic. I'm going to get someone to come along next time and tape our runs. Must analyze and scrutinize later on.
arg23
02-08-2005, 10:30 PM
thought I would jump in and drop a pic of mine
http://home.comcast.net/~spectre23/arg.jpg
was the "yahoo" comment directed at me? my setup is just what I have found to get the most traction with the least amount of race tire wear.
As far as street tire wear, I havent cared about that since I raced on them in STS ;)
MovinUp-1
02-08-2005, 10:45 PM
245s fit in the front on 16x8s with a 25mm offset with no problem. I do run a 5mm spacer for caliper clearance though.
245s fit in the front on 16x8s with a 25mm offset with no problem. I do run a 5mm spacer for caliper clearance though.
That is VERY good to know... I should be able to clear it with a 5mm caliper on a 16x7.5 +32mm wheel...
SO tempting..
Hikarispeed
02-08-2005, 11:54 PM
245s fit in the front on 16x8s with a 25mm offset with no problem. I do run a 5mm spacer for caliper clearance though.
Yeah I should of done this and run 245's. I have 225's on 16x8 +35 and it rides less than a pinky width between the tire and strut.
hurleyboi514, what tires are you running for DSP?
97SilviaRB
02-09-2005, 08:29 AM
Hey hurleyboi514
I was actually at that autocross. Myself and one of my Subaru friends were there from like 1:00-5:30 or so. That sucks to hear about your swaybar. The guy in that 2.5 RS was a really sick driver...did he end up winning?
hurleyboi514
02-09-2005, 10:48 AM
yah, he won DSP. im running on victoracers right now. now that i know that about the fronts, i may try that set up... hmm :) :)
On a side note, I just tried test fitting my 245/40R17 wheels (17x9+35) on the front... it barely rubs the suspension... 5 mm will clear it, more than enough...
hurleyboi514
02-09-2005, 01:08 PM
nice! :) when is your season starting up??
in the end of april, beginning of may... i know, it sucks.
hurleyboi514
02-09-2005, 03:46 PM
good god, we'll be 1/3 through our points events by then. we actually usually take may off for vacations/graduations and such. i can't wait for the next event though, i wanna get the car ready to go!!
Rennen
02-09-2005, 04:41 PM
I can't believe you have started already. Our season in St. Louis doesn't start until the beginning of April... and right now there is snow on the ground. And this season there are only 8 points events :mad: At least our region has started Time Attacks...
-Matt
Man you guys are so lucky to start this early... I am pulling my hair out... our season is a 7 event points, + 1 Provincial Championship 2 day event...
BUT,
I will try to attend 2 events in the NER region (I want to beat AceInHole on his home course) and will be doing some time trials too (Solo I).
I decided I AM going to install 245 tires in the front... sick sick sick me. ;)
hurleyboi514
02-09-2005, 07:16 PM
what r u gonna put in the rear?
245s too.
I want to keep a good balance. :)
hurleyboi514
02-09-2005, 08:23 PM
are you gonna stick with the Advans? i havent heard too many good things about them when it comes to autox. they are supposed to be good for street/track/autox, but not great at any one of those three... unfortunatly, my Victoracers are only good at 1 thing, and suck at the rest, haha! :(
Yeah, I will stick to the Advans... I got 2 freebies... my gf won 4 freebies of her choice, and that is because of our contingency plan.
nlzmo400r
02-09-2005, 09:45 PM
im assuming advan a032? Thats quite a pricey tire. I'll stick with my little azenis since im in Street Touring, i run 205/50/15 on my stock wheels. Hopefully by next season ill be able to afford some 16x8 track wheels and run 245 all around.
Not that pricey... I paid close to 1000C$ for 225/50R16 245/45R16 combo... they were like 100C$ less than V700s..
Hikarispeed
02-09-2005, 11:46 PM
I can't believe you have started already. Our season in St. Louis doesn't start until the beginning of April... and right now there is snow on the ground. And this season there are only 8 points events :mad: At least our region has started Time Attacks...
-Matt
In the SoCal we already had a event (Jan 23) and the next one is coming up on Feb 20.
The next autox practice is a pro solo event so it will be interesting trying that out.
I was hoping someone here has tried Avon Tech R's or similar Hoosiers. I ran the last event on them and still unsure about the pressures, I think they are over inflated, need to bring my pyrometer to the next practice.
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