This SUX!

[khoadogg]

Man! Freakin' SSautochrome killed it for the authentic APEXi Dual N1 owners......http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7951080092&category=33630

[s13silady]

wow... except for the stainless part, that would be a pretty good knockoff.

[vvtisupra]

it looks better than the apexi one :duh: ouch this sucks hahah and cheaper than a used apexi ! i wonder if it sounds better tho

[95Blue240sx]

maybe these are better quality than the apex'i ones i had on my car before they fell apart.

[po1z5che__]

it looks almost EXACTLY like the apexi one. only thing i can see diff is the stainless steel and the hangers. Is the diameter full 3" all the way back?
It also has slightly larger tips that the duals.

[nismo2491]

get over it. there will always be knockoffs.
KEvin

[TUnity2]

Man! Freakin' SSautochrome killed it for the authentic APEXi Dual N1 owners......http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7951080092&category=33630
Your just mad cause you "authentic" owners spend an ass amount on an exhaust when you could get cheaper ones that give the same sound, horse power, and looks.

I still dont understand why poeple spend $400-$500 on just an exhaust. buy a nice universal, mave an muffler shop run 3", and save a few houndred bucks.

the only catback i would spend my money on would be something cheap like an ss autochrome or megan racing.

[brianglawson]

yeah but this one is "superfly"

[s13Dr1ft]

I have always had a small shop in Indy known as "Ralphs Muffler" do my systems, Cheaper and still get the same i would out of an expensive name brand.

[khoadogg]

[QUOTE=TUnity2]Your just mad cause you "authentic" owners spend an ass amount on an exhaust when you could get cheaper ones that give the same sound, horse power, and looks.

I still dont understand why poeple spend $400-$500 on just an exhaust. buy a nice universal, mave an muffler shop run 3", and save a few houndred bucks.[QUOTE]

Because I got mines for a great price. N1 duals would cost $100 each. The the hangers at a shop would have been crap. The fitment isn't the same due to different angle approaches, the piping isn't the same, the welds aren't the same and if they were, it'd cost WAY MORE than what I paid. That's why I got it. :fawk2:

[Dousan_PG]

bah!

i got a 3" mandrel bend high on car for max clearance for WELL under 250
dual tip or whatever setup i wanted would be fine
excellent welding and high quality fits great and sounds awesome (resonator going in shortly, they one i wanted wasnt in stock at the time)

my buddy lindsay has the same setup on his s13 and its perfect, 3 inch w/ resonator no muffler

could get it setup however you want

yeah mandrel bend.

dont waste money on fancy exhaust that only break when you hit something or get hit and scrap on freeway for low clearances. weak.

[zero.counter]

dont waste money on fancy exhaust that only break when you hit something or get hit and scrap on freeway for low clearances. weak.
Yes, go and get that SS Autochrome exhaust and forget the brand names.... :p

[nissantuner22]

its always best to support knock off companies, instead of real manufactors who support the community, and spend money on innovation.

[Var]

its always best to support knock off companies, instead of real manufactors who support the community, and spend money on innovation.


[/sarcasm] ;)

as much as i agree with your idealism, most catbacks sell for exactly twice what they should be IMO. and as much as i hate their mani's,
kudos to SSAC for this one.

[CKAMC]

I just want to see clearance comparison between that exhuast and the apex and the gpsports...also a dyno chart would be nice as well... which ever wins i will buy then

[240Driver39]

its always best to support knock off companies, instead of real manufactors who support the community, and spend money on innovation.


hmmm, maybe, but um its an exhaust, its pretty hard to screw up, pic the shortest route, have it mount to stock hangers, pick a decent size and your done...throw a muffler in there and bam. I think its completly retarded to spend 6XX some bucks on an exhaust from a company, when we can get it here for cheaper, plus those apex n1's suck in the northeast...yeah rusting...

[TK]

now if SSAC would make a full stainless version of the Trust dd, i would buy one for sure

[91CRXsiR]

as far as japanese exhuast are concern isnt the inflated price due to shipping/tax as for american brand exhuaust borla, magnaflow offer the same quality but a better price?

or am i just talking outta my ass here?

[SoCalSilvia]

funny thing is... you hate them so much, but you posting that link gave them free advertising lol

but seriously, if any S14 owners pick one of these up, post pics and sound clips if possible. I'm thinking about getting one.

[Twinkie]

YES! any s13 with these bad ass things one, post it post it! espeicaially if you have sr20det. Betcha the thing sounds mean like a crazy monstar... AHHH GODZIRRA!

i bought the single exhaust from ssautochrme...if i waited a week, i coulda got these. =/ o well.

[S14DB]

Ohh.... They have one for the S14 too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7951089003

[lilredstiffy]

Great deal for $200! That shit is nicer than the n1 dual haha

[kay_arsen]

shit i got the other n1 style single muffler wish i would of seen this one

[Jeff240sx]

Your just mad cause you "authentic" owners spend an ass amount on an exhaust when you could get cheaper ones that give the same sound, horse power, and looks.

I still dont understand why poeple spend $400-$500 on just an exhaust. buy a nice universal, mave an muffler shop run 3", and save a few houndred bucks.


No. Owners of (including myself) the N1 dual aren't mad because we spent alot on the exhaust. It was either spend alot, or don't buy an exhaust. The KA market has bloomed recently.. so things got alot cheaper. You should have a slight concept of market economy and supply and demand before spouting shit off that make you look like a complete idiot.
That said, a muffler shop exhaust. First, it's mild steel. It's hard to find a shop that can bend 3" piping. It's harder to find a shop with a mandrel bender. Then, once they make the exhaust, you can't ever get the N1 dual piping made, because I can't think of a muffler shop with that capability. Then, it's $200 for a 2.5" exhaust (cheapest I found when calling around), plus muffler ($100). So. $300. Then powdercoat it like the N1 and that another $75. And you've got to powdercoat it, because mufflershops like to use mild steel. Which rusts at the welds.
Now... you Cali people have an obvious advantage of nearly everything. Including shops with mandrel benders. But in Florida, the closest shop to Tampa that owned and operated a mandrel bender was Miami. Where they quoted me $350 for a 3" exhaust, but we won't use that number to prove my point. Miami is 7 hours away. So, you figure $375 for the powdercoated 3" single-pipe mandrel bent exhaust. Then, 700 miles of driving, at $2/gallon and using 25 gallons. You're at $425 for an N1 single custom made. And you've got to remove and install it when you're powdercoating it.
In contrast, I didn't pay a lot for my N1 dual. I paid $475 shipped, only installed it once, saved my car 700 miles of wear and tear, and got what I want.
So.. you closeminded "Don't waste money" or "I can get the same thing cheaper, so should you" need to realize how the market works, and why some people say they have to do things a different way.
However.. I can't even buy the stainless piping to make an N1 dual for the same price they're selling a R&D, welded, polished kit. I'd really like to know the quality. However, Back to the guy I quoted. That exhaust won't make the same sound. I promise you. If it used $200 worth of apexi n1 mufflers, maybe. But they're using SSA mufflers, and sound duplication is impossible.
-Jeff

[nissantuner22]

exactly. sound quality will not be the same.

[vinyladdic7ion]

these dual exhaust systems are pretty lame to begin with.

[AzNCmB]

dam!...if they would of had this 2 years ago...i would of gotten it.... my n1 dual is starting to rust where the dual piping reach the mufflers... :(

[khoadogg]

right on Jeff240sx!!! Couldn't have said it better myself. It's the total craftsmanship and fitment, sound and quality. Pay more at first (if it applies) and save more on the long run. :bigok:

[Twinkie]

understandable that some people have no choice to buy expensive parts. i dont got anything againts that. but i do get pissed when people bash on generic brands and dont know shit about them or never even experienced the performance.

if you go to the megan racing coilover springs thread, or ssautochrome exhaust review, you will notice some people putting down these brands and never owned them. CLOSED MINDED!

some dumb peeps out there buy expensive parts jsut for the brand name, when they coulda saved a grip and bought an off brand that works just as well or even better.

Im a low budget guy. very poor. no job, and money drains like a bitch. (its not like i dont want to work and get them cool shit, but jobs are hella hard to get now adays where i live.) I always wished that i could afford an HKS catback exhaust, apexi/greddy stuff and such and such, but me got no money mang! so i go with alternatives such as SSAUTOCHROME which makes very very decent good quality stuff. (Of course i would do a buncha research before i buy em though). I saved up a grip and almost bougth an HKS hyper, but intead, i went with SSAUTOCHROMES n1 style single exhaust just so that i can spend the remaining money on other parts. got my catback exhaust for 230 shipped and i LOVE IT! period.

some people may rant a rave about other kats with generic brands and talk shit and be like "oh this guy only got generic shit on his car...FAKE! that brands sucks!". but see, the thing is that people gotta understand that these kats (like me) like to save money. and arent rich like some stuck up rich bastards out there who can afford everything or their parents can buy them anything they want.

besides, some generic brands may be main streams in the future. think about it...im sure apexi, hks, greddy ..etc were all amueture innovators at one time.

so for you people who intentionally bash on generics, turn around and keep buying your expensive parts, but ill stick with good generics when they come around :bigok:

[WeldingHank]

i know this 1st hand now. up untill today, i had a megan racing cat-back. i switched to a Blitz realize TT exaust. i have more low end. and my power band seems to come on quicker and keep in the band longer. power isn't so peaky. i will never again underestimate the value of a well R&D and a well constructed exhaust system.

[khoadogg]

Originally I started this thread to give a heads up to people that might see this exhaust and think it's APEXi. I just wanted to give heads up that there are cheaper alternatives and the look isn't authentic anymore. Not everyone that buys generic parts are in it to save money. They just can't wait for a deal to come about. I would personally buy used brand name parts then new no name parts that haven't been proven. Stick with what works and after you've done your research. Don't just buy something because it's the BEST or COST the MOST! Some will buy exp. parts just to show it off. Function over Fashion to some degree has became and will always be my motto now. :bigok:

[Scorpion X]

That said, a muffler shop exhaust. First, it's mild steel. It's hard to find a shop that can bend 3" piping. It's harder to find a shop with a mandrel bender. Then, once they make the exhaust, you can't ever get the N1 dual piping made, because I can't think of a muffler shop with that capability. Then, it's $200 for a 2.5" exhaust (cheapest I found when calling around), plus muffler ($100). So. $300. Then powdercoat it like the N1 and that another $75. And you've got to powdercoat it, because mufflershops like to use mild steel. Which rusts at the welds.



Roadrunner Exhausts
Kissimmee, FL

Got a 2.5" mandrel-bent exhaust installed (including brackets and installation for a 2.5" cat I had and a resonator) on a 94 Probe GT a 4 years ago for $150. Don't have that car anymore, but the exhaust never gave problems (no broken hangers, rattling, etc.).

A friend of mine just had a full dual 2.5" exhaust installed on his Mustang a year ago with welded angled tips for about $200.

They do 3" exhausts, also (largest they will go) along with intercooler piping, custom intakes, etc (no header installs, though... don't know why).

I know there is a shop in Tampa that does mandrel bends. I know people who had custom exhausts made.

BTW - The custom exhaust provided me more power gains that other Probe GT owners who had Greddy and Borla exhausts, and didn't sit as low.


I don't go by name brands. I've found alot of times that paying for brand names doesn't always ensure the best quality. Researching the product, materials, construction, and service is the only way to go. Regardless of brand.

[Jeff240sx]

Roadrunner Exhausts
Kissimmee, FL

Got a 2.5" mandrel-bent exhaust installed (including brackets and installation for a 2.5" cat I had and a resonator) on a 94 Probe GT a 4 years ago for $150. Don't have that car anymore, but the exhaust never gave problems (no broken hangers, rattling, etc.).

A friend of mine just had a full dual 2.5" exhaust installed on his Mustang a year ago with welded angled tips for about $200.

They do 3" exhausts, also (largest they will go) along with intercooler piping, custom intakes, etc (no header installs, though... don't know why).

I know there is a shop in Tampa that does mandrel bends. I know people who had custom exhausts made.

BTW - The custom exhaust provided me more power gains that other Probe GT owners who had Greddy and Borla exhausts, and didn't sit as low.


I don't go by name brands. I've found alot of times that paying for brand names doesn't always ensure the best quality. Researching the product, materials, construction, and service is the only way to go. Regardless of brand.

Do they have the bender there? Or was this piping that was welded up? Because as of 2 years ago (last time I went calling around), those were the prices and location of the mandrel benders. However, I still can't go to roadraceengineering.com or any other site to buy the mandrel bends that cheap. It may just be me. And when you say power gains.. this is Zilvia, and we don't do ass dynos. Now, I have no first hand experience with the Probe exhaust layout, but some exhausts (Camaro and firebird) are 1 gigantic straight pipe with 2 90*s in it going to the muffler. Any muffler shop can make a good exhaust for those cars. But when it comes to curves and clearance issues with the car (not the ground), R&D has an effect. However.. I'm still calling you out on the "made more power" quip. Did you dyno it? Were your mods the same as the comparison's mods? Because a custom exhaust with intake will beat a purchased exhaust only 10/10 times. Even still, there are 10-20 wheel horsepower differences between cars, dyno days, dyno models, ect. I'm just going to call bs seeing as you don't have empirical evidence. Scott knows that a Full-Race manifold makes 60rwhp more than a JGS log. Because on the same day he swapped manifolds, on the same dyno, with the same tune. This is empirical..
-Jeff

[Scorpion X]

Do they have the bender there? Or was this piping that was welded up? Because as of 2 years ago (last time I went calling around), those were the prices and location of the mandrel benders. However, I still can't go to roadraceengineering.com or any other site to buy the mandrel bends that cheap. It may just be me. And when you say power gains.. this is Zilvia, and we don't do ass dynos. Now, I have no first hand experience with the Probe exhaust layout, but some exhausts (Camaro and firebird) are 1 gigantic straight pipe with 2 90*s in it going to the muffler. Any muffler shop can make a good exhaust for those cars. But when it comes to curves and clearance issues with the car (not the ground), R&D has an effect. However.. I'm still calling you out on the "made more power" quip. Did you dyno it? Were your mods the same as the comparison's mods? Because a custom exhaust with intake will beat a purchased exhaust only 10/10 times. Even still, there are 10-20 wheel horsepower differences between cars, dyno days, dyno models, ect. I'm just going to call bs seeing as you don't have empirical evidence. Scott knows that a Full-Race manifold makes 60rwhp more than a JGS log. Because on the same day he swapped manifolds, on the same dyno, with the same tune. This is empirical..
-Jeff

Yes, they have the bender there. All the pieces for my exhaust were custom bent by the shop owner himself who has an awesome eye for bending pipe. Probe exhausts are a pain to make, since they can't go straight back, they MUST curve over the right rear links in a very tight fit. I have pics of the piping job somewhere if you want to see them (haven't had that car for almost two years). IM me if you want and I can give you directions to the shop, too.

As for the BS... :shrug:
If you must, you must. With only a JDM engine, PVC cold-air intake, and said exhaust setup as power adders, 170whp... Highest NA dyno of the day for this Probe meet:
http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread.php?t=45817
Other mods were added later, but I never got it dynoed again.

I may be wrong from time to time, but I'm no liar.



Now back to something that matters...

Never go by brand names or price tags for quality and craftmanship. I've had experience in previous cars where the cheapest products made the most horsepower and outlasted items up to 3 times the $$.

Time will tell if this exhaust will hold up well, but from what I can see it looks like a well-made exhaust. And to me it looks better than the NI Dual.

[sideviewcivic]

while most people are considering N1-dual and N1 single style exhausts. Im thinking about having a shop make one for me like buddy club spec2. simple piping few bends no need to care about sound cuz well its not fun unless its loud and obnoxious. 8ft of Summit Racing mild steel, plus j-bends and pow!!! cheap and effective. besides duals are heavy, im using c-clamps rite now to hold the 40 pound exhaust up high enough so i have almost 2inches of ground clearance. Cnat wait for the shop made cheap lite weight and easily expendable exhaust

-Aaron

[WeldingHank]

Yes, they have the bender there. All the pieces for my exhaust were custom bent by the shop owner himself who has an awesome eye for bending pipe. Probe exhausts are a pain to make, since they can't go straight back, they MUST curve over the right rear links in a very tight fit. I have pics of the piping job somewhere if you want to see them (haven't had that car for almost two years). IM me if you want and I can give you directions to the shop, too.

As for the BS... :shrug:
If you must, you must. With only a JDM engine, PVC cold-air intake, and said exhaust setup as power adders, 170whp... Highest NA dyno of the day for this Probe meet:
http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread.php?t=45817
Other mods were added later, but I never got it dynoed again.

I may be wrong from time to time, but I'm no liar.



Now back to something that matters...

Never go by brand names or price tags for quality and craftmanship. I've had experience in previous cars where the cheapest products made the most horsepower and outlasted items up to 3 times the $$.

Time will tell if this exhaust will hold up well, but from what I can see it looks like a well-made exhaust. And to me it looks better than the NI Dual.

and yet another former probe owner gone 240sx! I had a 1st gen PGT myself and had a custom 3" turbo back made for $500. it was press bent but was the only thing i could get. it also curved up over the rear link in a very tight spot.

[dct223]

200 bucks is a great deal for a n1dual style exhaust...

but i ono, looking at the pics, compared to the apexi n1duals that i have, i dont think i would consider buying the ssac n1dual style exhuast. But if anyone does get one for the s14, take a vid clip, and we can compare how they sound...

[240Driver39]

right on Jeff240sx!!! Couldn't have said it better myself. It's the total craftsmanship and fitment, sound and quality. Pay more at first (if it applies) and save more on the long run. :bigok:

And i say it again, quality..n1, you clearly dont know about the northeast, where the apex exhaust hardly lasts and rusts out...meh, garbage imo. fitament, both fit fine...and sound? well they all sound pretty lame generally, so whatever, its an exhaust.

[Inland180]

I would still go with the authentic apex-i ones!

[Var]

i like my a'pex cause most companies out there dont have a stinkin 3 3/4 inch manderel bender and they do

[hellion240sx]

OK SO WHO IS most likeyly to buy these soon, so that we can get some feedback on these things! and yeah my friend has the rusting prob too ( the one that posted earlier). they dont look too bad to me.