Heya! First post! '96 240SX

[notpot]

Hi, just wanted to show myself to the 240 club, just got my new car!

I have intake, pullies, and sways on my car already with HotShot headers and KYB shocks uninstalled. I would like to increase my car's rigidity and power for AutoX and the like.

How should I go about this?
My future mod list is this:
Tein springs
Strut bars(brand?)
JWT cams
VIS CF hood
Gracer front bumper
5Zigen wheels
Any automatic transmission upgrades(Tqconverter, Valvebody, chip)
AP brakes (front)
stainless steel lines
and an ECU reflash(this I know nothing about, what company makes these? who has experience??)

Hopefully my car will be totally done in a few months-half a year
Any thoughts or suggestions are totalyl welcome!
I hope to have a happy forum-going carreer here!

[elexfx16]

Hey. I'm pretty new too but just wanted to say welcome. Mine's an s13 but if I were you, I'd start w/ the SR20DET. Just my 2 cents. Good luck w/ ur s14.

-scott

[Zemus]

So you have an UPGRADED auto tranny

Here is an upgrade for you
get rid of the auto tranny
hahaha

And noob #2 stfu, dont tell him to start with an sr... start with replacing broken things, getting full suspention, and the last thing you need besides areo is an sr...

[S14DB]

http://www.levelten.com/ does valve body and TC work. But at $698 for the valve body I think not. To mod your TC it's $498 and for a new billet one it's $1098. That's just for stage 1.

Then look at $250-350 for a S14 tranny at the junk yard. It doesn't make sense to do anything but rip it out.

[Ghettokracker71]

Strut bars(brand?)



Welcome to the boards. Please note that sometimes people will 'flame' you on here,or give you a hard time. Don't take it personally or anything. Just learn and go with it....thats what I did :) Strut bars are the one thing that brand really doesn't matter all too much. Clearly a good brand name will do better,but you can get your hands on a decent eBay unit that works pretty good for cheap,....I've heard good things about the Megan Racing ones....but I don't have personal expereince with those.

[IGSDann]

Why do people think KA's cannot make power and must resort to a fucking SR20 all the time?! AHHHHHHH!!!!! Anyways, as said fix stock things, get a 5 speed, make it handle, do some basic mods before you plan anything serious. And remember, you can run an 11 second quarter mile and make 400 hp on stock KA internals... Just not with a auto... Swap it nowwwww.

[Bryants95240sx]

Why do people think KA's cannot make power and must resort to a fucking SR20 all the time?! AHHHHHHH!!!!! Anyways, as said fix stock things, get a 5 speed, make it handle, do some basic mods before you plan anything serious. And remember, you can run an 11 second quarter mile and make 400 hp on stock KA internals... Just not with a auto... Swap it nowwwww.

KAs can make some serious power just as much as sr if not more but 11 second quater mile and 400 hp daily driven on stock internals. your dreaming. It could be done but reliable it would not be.

But back to the thread topic i would def swap for a five speed and just be sure you replace all the old and worn parts before you get too serious.

[IGSDann]

but 11 second quater mile and 400 hp daily driven on stock internals. your dreaming. It could be done but reliable it would not be.


See: PhatKAT's (Soundperformence) S13, it does just as I said.

[notpot]

thanks for the info!
I am not going to do an SR swap, no way jose! I need this(first car) to be 100% legal! Engine swaps=.009% legal.

I forgot to mention
HKS Hi-Power exhaust
RT cat

go ahead and mentally add that to my list :rolleyes: (ps, you guys have a lot of smileys...). I will think about doing an Auto Tranny swap out, but until then, I am going to do all my power and handling mods first.

So does my future mod list sound good?
What order should I buy/Install them in?
Does anyone make an ECU reflash for the Zenki?

Any comments or questions are welcome


Thanks all!

[IGSDann]

If you want power a 5 speed tranny it will reduce drivetrain strain which will give you more power.

[notpot]

as I said, maybe later.

but any Ideas about what I should do before then?

[S14DB]

as I said, maybe later.

but any Ideas about what I should do before then?
Nothing...Trust me.

[i-love-my-s14]

I think an ECU reflash is when you just unplug the battery for like 5 minuets, but I dont know. But before you do anything else you should definately swap the transmission, I had automatic and it sucked.

[notpot]

Please just ignore the automatic, it will leave soon enough.

For the ECU reflash, its like, technosquare for the 350Z, or Hondata for our FWD rivals

y'know, something along those lines...

[F3600]

I never saw any ecu retune for the Ka24DE... there somes for SR,CA or RB but nothing for the ka24DE ... anyone who can re-do the map on a sr ecu shoud be able to tweak something out on the KA ecu .. good luck

[notpot]

is there any way to raise the redline then?

[Ghettokracker71]

On the KA engine,its not really a rev happy engine. Sorry man,it just kinda coughs out around 5500ish or so....at least on my S13 she does :ugh:.....and I have an auto,too.

[S14DB]

Only ECU change I would do is putting a AEM EMS w/UEGO. That will run you about $2k. SAFC is all you need before that.

Get rid of the AT.
Get a 80MM exhaust.

[evilimport]

I dont think you need to worry about ECU reflashing, I dont think its going to get you where you think it will... Swap in a manual tranny when you get the chance (I think thats been covered though)... I wouldnt raise the redline either - just enjoy the torque for now.

#1 thing for you to do: Learn to drive it.

[The Riot Hero]

i think this thread has made me stupider

[Pacman]

So you have an UPGRADED auto tranny

Here is an upgrade for you
get rid of the auto tranny
hahaha

And noob #2 stfu, dont tell him to start with an sr... start with replacing broken things, getting full suspention, and the last thing you need besides areo is an sr...

Theres a start. Get the 5-speed and you'll enjoy the car a LOT more. And, replacing broken/worn out items is the first thing you should do after a tune-up. I've had my car 8 months and still replacing broken things (of course I have an abused '91 with 168K on the ticker). Being that its an auto and a '96, there shouldn't be that much wrong with it and not abused to much.

Get brakes (single piston calipers on 240's, right?) and suspension before you make too much power or swap to an SR. Its great to go fast, but after long swap, it would suck to go wreck cause you took that corner to fast on the stock suspension and couldn' stop cause of weak brakes.

The ECU? Only people that I know of that works with the KA ECU is JWT. Not something I'd do until a turbo kit is on.

Welcome to the boards, get uesd to some of these comments. You'll know what I'm talking about.

[notpot]

I just feel akward with a redline thats so LOWW

But how has this thread made you less intelligent?

[weirdstyles.net]

i think this thread has made me stupider
And I think you suck, whats your point?

notpot - Ill try to help you out a little. Although it has been covered, if you wish to attend autocross you must swap for a five speed, but lets get past that.

You are asking us to "accept" your list. Your list is great, if you know what your looking for. Are you just picking brand names? What I am saying is you have to follow the advice above, the only good advice, and learn to drive you car. Now this is not an insult but you have to learn your vehicle and start pin-pointing what you dont like about it, or work on areas you know will benefit your track times. Listen to about 75% of what you hear on these boards, as they are wrather intelligent people, with the exception of The Riot Hero. You rbest bet is to thoughly inspect the vehicle and replace any odds and ends you can. This actually give you a REASON to upgrade.

"Oh shit there is a hole in my exhuast, I suppose I should get my exhuast system now"

"Oh damn, my shocks are leaking, time for my INSERT SUSPENSION PRODUCTS HERE"

"Crap-o-la, my tires sux0rz, time for some sweet tires."

"My brakes took a dump and caliper are leaking, time for some Z32 upgrades".

edit: "Dayum, my spellin took a dump, time for Hooked on Fo-Nex"

Right there youve just doubled the cars "funness". Steering, Braking, and Performance. Not alot of work, but deff. helps over stock and you wont regret the purchases. IF your NOT turbocharging, get your basic Intake, Headers, Exhaust and Camshafts. Then start on the fuel/ignition goodies to make your KA breate and pump harder (Apex SAFC, Injectors, Fuel Pump, Decent wires, NGK Iridiums etc.,). For your suspension it will really depend on your requirments. A coilover set may not be for you as it is a daily driven vehicle, but a set of decent shocks and springs w/ camber plates will deffinitly increase the spirtedness of your turning. Z32 brakes, braided linkes and new pads in the rear will make a hell of a difference. And your tires are the only thing between you and the road, the worlds best brakes and suspension wont keep bald tires on the track.

If you have questions, ask. Ignore people like the Hero and pick the information out and use it to the best of your ability.

Welcome and congrats on buying a hell of a car!

[Pacman]

You got yourself a '96. If you can spare the $$$, Greddy makes a legal turbo kit that'll give you the power you want. Like you said, you want to stay legal and not swap, Greddy is the way to go.

[S14DB]

You got yourself a '96. If you can spare the $$$, Greddy makes a legal turbo kit that'll give you the power you want. Like you said, you want to stay legal and not swap, Greddy is the way to go.
No, they don't. The kit has never been carb aproved. The kit is far from complete. It is also way over priced.

[weirdstyles.net]

What is it? About $2500 for the name and a $k for the parts right?

[Sil Beer S13]

howdy there partner.

[MugenHonda]

Hey. I'm pretty new too but just wanted to say welcome. Mine's an s13 but if I were you, I'd start w/ the SR20DET. Just my 2 cents. Good luck w/ ur s14.

-scott

HAHAHAHAHAHA, good job with the sig. lmao...

[MakotoS13]

wholey crap \mugen i just saw that. HE'S IN MY COMPUTER!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAXOR!!!!!!!!!

[MugenHonda]

wholey crap \mugen i just saw that. HE'S IN MY COMPUTER!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAXOR!!!!!!!!!


Bahahaha, BAN! :lockd:

[SimpleS14]

Can't say what hasn't been mentioned before. Welcome to THIS forum.


BTW.....I must say that a manual swap does make the car more enjoyable.

[notpot]

My mod list contains only things that I have heard good things about. I have heard of a Dyno where JWT cams made 18HP at peak! and I like the VIS hood because a lot of people can attest to its quality and light weight. Also, cusco is a very respectable name in suspension stuff, so Im leaning towards them for my strut yower bar. I dont know what exhasut though. I would like an HKS hi-power, but it is expensive and apparently rare. I kinda like it because of its tip, I hate the 5 inch gaping hole lower than the rest of the bumper look, that sucks to me. I like exhausts with reasonable tips and true mufflers...you know, the ones that make the engine sound bearable and pleasant.

My neighbor has an NVidia exhaust(I think) on his Civic Si, I FACKING HATE THAT THING, and he always goes street racing right by the elementary school at like...2am, FACK THAT! I hate him so much...That loud exhaust, the huge ass VTEC sticker...GAWSH! hurhurhur, my AEM intake makes 20 horses at 8 thousand RPMs! really, dick hole? you ever get it dynoed? Uhh...I can feel it...DIE! [/neighbor hating on]

...anyway...does anyone have suggestions on a quiet exhaust with a nice clean tip? Any help on that or any other topic would be appreciated!

EDIT: AND THAT DAMNED RAP HE PLAYS ALL THE TIME! yo, yo, yo, uh, what?
I like to bang bitches, uh, what, yeah, cracker, N*****, foo, dawg, pimp the hoes, uh, what? BLING! :rl: And he has those little nitro cars, FUN and respectable, but not at midnight, especially the week of mid-terms
ARG, I HATE HIM SO MUCH!

[OptionZero]

fack?

RSR Ex Mag

[SimpleS14]

Get the most popular exhaust on the 240SX EVAR.........

















A'Pexi N1 Dual :D

[notpot]

fack is better than fuck and how can you have a dual exhaust on an inline 4??
I will look up the RSR exmag...

But the RSR exhaust for the 350Z is illegally loud! Is it the same for the SX?

[dct223]

didnt read what other people posted... this is what i think u should do..

5speed swap
full suspension, (coilovers, tie rods, tc rods, ruca, etc etc etc)

after that go for more power, ie turbo kit or swap


i have apexi n1 duals on my car, apexi makes them for the 240sx so i dunno y u say its not possible, single 3" piping that splits to 2 2.5" piping

[notpot]

wow, the RSR is right down my alley, its like you knew what I wanted!!!

however, I cant find how big the piping is??? Any ideas?

[SimpleS14]

fack is better than fuck and how can you have a dual exhaust on an inline 4??

Like this....

http://members.aol.com/SG1210/back.jpg


I think you need to do some more research on parts that are out there for your car.

[notpot]

hmmm...that exhaust is...acceptable, but I am going with the RSR ex mag, 3.2" piping is kinda big, Im gonna try to find a Dyno before sacrificing backpressure...

[SimpleS14]

Ok...but the N1 Dual is good for both N/A and turbo applications. I noticed some low end torque when I installed the silencers (after having HS header on my car).

[notpot]

eew, now I'm reading that the RSR is REALLY loud on a NA KA engine like mine will forever be...dang, I thought I was sooo close...OH well, more exhausts in the aftermarket I guess...

[Pacman]

No, they don't. The kit has never been carb aproved. The kit is far from complete. It is also way over priced.

The site says that "most" of there kits are CARB legal under these numbers: CARB E.O. # D-397, D-397-3, D-397-7. From my understanding, it keeps all of the smog equipment and is smog legal for OBDII cars. Is this kit one of the ones that are not in the mort catagory?

[MakotoS13]

fack is better than fuck and how can you have a dual exhaust on an inline 4??


ya know if i were an Ahole i'd post a picture of a 4cyl car with dual exhaust.
http://www.acyi68.ukgateway.net/photos6.jpg

and dont get an EXMAG if you're a ricer cause they aren't very flashy.

[weirdstyles.net]

^ this is why Makato r0x0rz

[notpot]

I am not a ricer, and did that quote "I am the push that makes you move" come from a slipknot song?

duals on inline cars suck, they are useless and make less power than a single...
It looks like REVHigh sells the HKS exhaust I origionally wanted for pretty cheap, so I'll go with that!

[OptionZero]

It's easy to get a dual exhaust, it's just piping. Ricers have done it on civics , random Hondas. No big deal.

Hell, maybe i'll do it do on the 240. One exhaust will be real, the other will just be a muffler section bolted under the car. I'll hookup a flame thrower system so when people rev on me, I can intimidate them. Oh, and if there's a stupid pedestrian that decides to walk behind my car as I back up, I can set them on fire.

Plus, it'll come at no performance loss except for weight! It won't even be connected to the engine: just a muffler w/ flame thrower on one side, regular exhaust on the other.

Everybody wins: me (go fast), engine (breathe easier), pedestrian (set on fire).


WHen reading about the ExMag, you heard it's loud? Are you sure you are reading about the correct exhaust? There's an RS-R ExMag, and an RS-R Ex-Mag GT2, both are far different.

Ex Mag, stock as aftermarket gets, 80mm
http://rs-r.com/products/exhaust/images/exmag_pic.jpg

Ex Mag GT2, relatively standard N1 style, angled , 80mm
http://rs-r.com/products/exhaust/images/gt2_pic_2.jpg

From all reports, the regular Ex Mag is pretty quiet. I don't know if this one comes with a silencer. It's the Ex Mag GT2 that should be louder, although I don't have personal experience with it.

[notpot]

I heard that it's loud on an NA KA24DE, but quiet on a KA24DET...do a search on RSR exhaust and you'll see

YOU'LL ALL SEE!

EDIT: after extensive searching, I have found dynoes of over 150whp and 155whtq are common for cars with just I/H/E
So do headers cats and exhaust free up a ton oh power on this bizziatch?

If I am making 130/134 now, how much can I expect with header, cat, and exhaust?

thanks again, this has to be the most helpful and friendliest Forum ever!

EDIT#2: So there is no way to raise my rev limiter? at all? And no one makes an ECU reflash? damn...How would I dyno-tune my car? that is: how do I adjust my A/F ratio when I am on a dyno to make more power?

thanks!

[Advan]

http://www.levelten.com/ does valve body and TC work. But at $698 for the valve body I think not. To mod your TC it's $498 and for a new billet one it's $1098. That's just for stage 1.

Then look at $250-350 for a S14 tranny at the junk yard. It doesn't make sense to do anything but rip it out.
Thank you, I've been trying to find this for a long time. I heard about that company from an article in an import mag. This female had an White Integra with an upgraded auto tranny from levelten.com, a muffler and a supercharger. The car was pretty much a sleeper, but fast. But again, thanks for posting that link, now I can bookmark it.

[MakotoS13]

I am not a ricer, and did that quote "I am the push that makes you move" come from a slipknot song?

no, i made it up, they stole it from me, and i'm suing them for copyright infringement.

[notpot]

Good, they suck! way to take them down a peg!

[Pacman]

When you dyno tune, you can use the SAFC to adjust your A/F mixture.

[MakotoS13]

Good, they suck! way to take them down a peg!

i see someone still hasn't noticed that the forum theme is SARCASM.

p.s. slipknot has more talent in their tiny wangs than you have in your whole body.

[Ian]

how come if they suck so bad, that you knew where that quote was from?

[weirdstyles.net]

p.s. slipknot has more talent in their tiny wangs than you have in your whole body.

Ill leave it at this, if ANYONE here has ever seen Joey's legs, youll understand where double-bass is born....

Only one comparible is Ray Herrera of Fear Factory.... crazy fast.

Notpot, im really trying to help you here... but your digging a bigger whole every time you open your mouth.

A reflash is not built, it is a process/serivce like engine work. Reflash is the process by which a technician reset an ECU. If your looking for fuel managment, set the Apex' Integration S-AFC, then stfu.

[notpot]

I knew that, I just worded it wrong. I was asking who provided reflashes

Like hondata or Technosquare...y'know?

And I only know slipknot because that damn neighbor...
Theyre more talented than me, and rich, and famous. So really I guess its envy rearing its ugly head.
Thanks for telling me what the SAFC does, that was helpful!

[weirdstyles.net]

JWT (Jim Wolf Technologies) provides ECU tuning. However, there are some JWT haters here....

[SimpleS14]

Don't use the JWT ECU unless your running a KA-T and upgraded MAF. You don't like the N1 Dual? I have I/H/E and I have a noticable difference in power. However I can't justify getting a dyno since its still slow in my opinion. TURBO is the only way to go. How come no one suggested GReddy E-Manage instead of A'Pexi S-AFC II?

[notpot]

awesome, thanks all who posted in this thread!

[coldfire07]

LSD first. Period.

[S14DB]

LSD first. Period.
Needs a M/T first

[notpot]

sorry folks, but it isnt getting either of those first...I dont plan on drifting it.

[driftyour40]

Sorry dude but if you had half a brain you would realize that your car would handle better with them. :squint:

[SimpleS14]

^--- lol


He does have a point....you have greater control of your car with a manual transmission and LSD (putting mine in tommorrow!!). However...this is your car so do what YOU feel is best. However (again) its always good to invite comments, opinions and suggestions...you just don't have to act on them.

[weirdstyles.net]

GReddy eManage is actually on my shopping list for my project car, I opt to recommend the S-AFC to people who are less technically incline as there is alot of support on web forums due to the products popularity and presence in the market. If we did a roll call of SAFC vs. eManage you could imagine whose list would be longer.

notpot - Its great if you not into drugs, but LSD is where its at. (:)) Limited slip differentials provide power where its needed when its needed. What your saying, pratically, is I dont want a coilover kit cause I dont want to drift/drag/autox/street drive. Parts are used throughout many different racing types in different ways. Coilovers will be adjusted differently for drift/drag/autox/street driving. Sure a differential can help you make a clean break of rear tracion, but it can (and will) also plant some serious grip through corner exits and entrances. Do some reading on differentials before you disregard them as "dRift only" parts.

[notpot]

hey, I never said I wasnt getting those parts

I just said not now, so, give me a few paychecks to build up the funds, ok?

[nistech]

130whp good luck with ur NA mods :) lmao
with ur future mods i m sure u ll be at 135rwhp in no time running 17s with ur auto tranny all day long

[nokeone]

haha, this thread makes baby jesus cry....

get a clue before you start wasting money on mods that you will be upgrading from down the line...

1. do like everyone says and get manual tranny first...with auto i don't care what you do, your car is worthless..torque converter, vb upgrade, whatever the hell else Level 10 does is crap...great, you'll lose less boost between shifts...you don't even have a turbo..so that is out...

2. get LSD...drift, grip, drag, it will help for it all...power aint shit if you can't put it down...

3. coilovers...fuck tein s-techs or whatever other spring you are considering matching with those POS KYBs...coilovers will also help in no matter what you decide to use your car for...plus it will stop looking like ass..

and then, if you still think you want to keep your KA NA instead of swapping or turboing proceed with your upgrades...

[driftyour40]

Okay the word I think your looking for is re-map. A reflash is just factory updates that your local dealer can do for you; it's not a mod. Change your sig dammit.

Sorry this has been bothering me for a while now.

[S14DB]

Trust me. The A/T becomes a real prissy bitch when you start modding. The TCU runs off the engine sensors to a shift map. When you mod the sensors output is different from stock and the tranny shifts at the wrong time giving a horible driving experience.

Get rid of it and learn how to drive M/T. It's the best performance mod you can do.

[vegita319]

sorry folks, but it isnt getting either of those first...I dont plan on drifting it.

For LSDs, if ur not going to drift, you can get 1.5 way ones or better yet, get a helical lsd (from s15), quaife (toque biasing type), or an ats carbon. The quaife is really nice for road racing and allows you to hit the throttle earlier than the clutch types. Google those lsds and pick one that suits ur needs.

[notpot]

OK, I WAS MERELY LOOKING FOR A FRIENDLY FORUM TO TAKE COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS ABOUT MY NEW CAR

I didnt realize that you guys were so damned critical! I am not going to be competitive with my car! LET ME STRESS THAT, NOT COMPETITIVE! So fucking lay off and quit telling my that my car is shit!

THAT, and fuck this website, I am going back to 240sxforums
ITS ALL THE SAME SHIT WITH YOU PEOPLE
GET AN LSD FIRST, OR YOUR CAR IS WORTHLESS
FUCK YOU, I WILL GET TO IT WHEN I PLEASE, ASSHOLE
Automatics suck! YEAH, AND THATS WHY I PLAN ON CHANGING IT OUT, I JUST CANT DO IT RIGHT NOW, YOU STUPID ILLITERATE FUCK(must be illiterate, cant read my posts...)

FUCK YOU GUYS AND FUCK YOUR CONSTANT COPY-CAT SUGGESTIONS, PRICKFACE

there, Im done, now fucking delete this thread and move on Mr. Moderator

[S14DB]

OK, I WAS MERELY LOOKING FOR A FRIENDLY FORUM TO TAKE COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS ABOUT MY NEW CAR
were you expecting a handjob?

I didnt realize that you guys were so damned critical!
We are critical cause we have been there before and we don't want to see you go down the wrong road.
[QUOTE=notpot]I am not going to be competitive with my car! LET ME STRESS THAT, NOT COMPETITIVE!Then why do anything? So fucking lay off and quit telling my that my car is shit!
who said that?
THAT, and fuck this website, I am going back to 240sxforums...
I should have knowen...
:blah: :blah: :blah:
Automatics do not suck as a whole. Ours are quite nice on a stock car. You do not plan to run a stock car. Many of the mods you are planing will make your car shift like shit. Cams would make your life hell. I don't know of a ECU upgrade that you can run with AT since it is wired to the ECU.

I have been at this for 3 yrs now and have done things against the popular consenous on this and other Nissan boards. I have run an Automatic for longer than I should have and trust me. It shifts worse with every mod I did. I finally figured out that it wasn't me of the engine but the tranny. When the 3rd gear clutch pack started sliping I knew it was time to move on.

We are not trying to talk down to you or tell you your car is shit. We are trying to help you and guide you. That being said we will not let you BS us or yourself into thinking stuff that we have experianced is wrong. If you want to make the same mistakes and relise it 3yrs later so be it. Just don't be mad at us for telling it like it is.

[s13irdie2]

you asked for peoples opionions, what the hell do you expect? all the suggestions made were right, except the one that said you need a sr first. if you dont like it here then leave. btw, get a m/t.