Which HID is nicer looking 5300k or 6000k? [Archive] - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

Var

01-11-2005, 12:07 PM

4300K is the best usable light spectrum. The light coming from your headlights will illuminate the roads better. The higher you go, the light gets brighter but less of it actually helps you see the road. SO it will look better when you look at the headlights from outside, but what's more important is that you see the road, so go with 4300K

SilviaDriver

01-11-2005, 01:11 PM

go big or go home!! 6000K all the way!!!!

typical ricer bmw look

4300K is the best. its cloest to sunlight pure white

5500K is blue

7000K is blue/purple crap

10000K your just being gay

S14DB

01-11-2005, 02:07 PM

I have 4300K lows and it looks blue on the lense but white on the ground. With the 6500K high beams everything is blue.

KiDyNomiTe

01-11-2005, 04:59 PM

typical ricer bmw look

4300K is the best. its cloest to sunlight pure white

5500K is blue

7000K is blue/purple crap

10000K your just being gay
lol well I am getting 7500K, if I really wanted optimum lighting I would get rid of my flip ups and get some projectors.

HIDs in general have a ton better light output/efficiency so I'd rather get something that looks cool while I am at it. Especially since my lights are just going to be all over the road to begin with.

SilviaSR20DET

01-11-2005, 05:22 PM

Hey thanks alot for the help, i ended up buying the 5300k HID kit.

Ian

01-11-2005, 06:23 PM

i personally want 10000k bulbs lol cuz i love that look...

though i wont get them cuz i'll die

if you already have HID's can you switch the temp of the bulbs by changing just the bulbs or do you have to change the hardware as well?

i have a cooper S w/ stock Xenons and i was wondering if i could jump up to a higher temp bulb...like 7000k

SilviaDriver

01-11-2005, 06:25 PM

i have a cooper S w/ stock Xenons and i was wondering if i could jump up to a higher temp bulb...like 7000k

why?

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Ian

01-11-2005, 06:27 PM

cuz it looks fuckin awesome...why else?

RBS14

01-11-2005, 08:31 PM

the most light output made for cars is had in 4100-4300k. above that, output falls off. People percieve more light from blue bulbs, but it's just because our eyes are more sensitive to blue light than any other color. There is not as much light as people think there is coming from blue halogen bulbs or high color temperature HID bulbs.

putting HID in halogen reflectors and most halogen projectors is a horrible idea, but none of you care so I'll save myself the time explaining it. Just know that it is unsafe and you aren't getting near the performance you could be getting for the same $. If you guys would wake up, you'd find out that you could get OEM HID projectors, with OEM bulbs and ballasts into your car for less than you paid for your shitty drop in kits.

If you don't believe me about the blue light thing, here's proof. 6000k on the left, 4300 on the right in identical projectors.
http://njsr.org/pics/albums/userpics/10917/Lights%20002.jpg

mainevent: yes you can use higher color temp bulbs, but look at the above pic again before doing so.

kidynomite: actually with higher color temp bulbs (8k-10k), light output is no more than weak high beams or good low beams. And with HID bulbs in halogen reflectors, a lot of that light isn't being directed at the road, so light output is no more than stock, it just looks like it is.

Ian

01-11-2005, 09:07 PM

so if i get like 7000k bulbs to replace my stock HID's, it wouldnt be so bad right...since the reflector housing is built for HID already...and i'll get the awesome blue light right? lol

SilviaDriver

01-11-2005, 09:10 PM

you want the look, juss swap projectors. the reason y companies made those stupid K colors is for the bMW color look. its for people who are clueless in lighting and thinking its the actual bulb when its the projector.

if you want reduced lighting get a higher temp K

Ian

01-11-2005, 10:01 PM

i just want the super bright blue look lol

TurDz

01-11-2005, 10:03 PM

I've had retrofitted HID projectors on my car for quite some time now (1.5) years and in my experience, with long trips (1+ hours) on the highway in dark roads, if your light isn't anything below 5000k your eyes will strain like hell. I remember I wasn't even used to my 4100/4300k Philips D2S bulbs....after a long drive my eyes would be a bit tired. I'm used to it now, but imagine what happens with blue/purple light.

The wavelengths of those lights are MUCH more intense...therefore straining your eyes and also providing less USEABLE light.. all temps put out the same amount of light, it's just we see best with sunlight shades.

also..I was in heavy rain in Sunnyvale the week before new years (for those in the bay area, you might remember how bad it was). Anyway, there was a really uninformed and ignorant driver driving a Honda Odyssey and he had about 8000-9000k HID bulbs inside his halogen reflector housing. He was behind me for a time and it was the WORST drive I've ever had. The light was so bright and so intense in purple that it was reflecting everywhere...road signs, anywhere where there was water, etc. He was a stupidly aggressive driver in an area of heavy rain....so dangerous and it was probably worse for him too. Being in front of him, I couldn't see anything in my mirrors (it was all filled with light).

Light that is blue/purple is deadly in rain...it will reflect off of raindrops, the road, and blind you, please stick with 4100/4300k. If you must have color (which many people do), research on shield modifications to get that flicker (@ the cutoff) that you desire.

Ian

01-11-2005, 10:07 PM

ah, i dont actually care that much...if i REALLY cared i'd just get those blue city lights lol

i love my stock Xenons to be honest, perfect lights :)

240silvia

01-11-2005, 10:54 PM

I have 5300K.... In my car and my bike!!!!

RBS14

01-11-2005, 11:01 PM

all temps put out the same amount of light, it's just we see best with sunlight shades.

not true, lower color temps put out more light. Once again, look at the pic I posted above for proof.

01-11-2005, 11:24 PM

I'm running 4300K everything else looks ghey.

yup, anything higher is just pointless... go buy some super white bulbs or something

SilviaSR20DET

01-12-2005, 12:42 AM

any you guys have pics of your cars with 5300k?

NI_YON_Zenki

01-12-2005, 01:35 AM

Here, www.Misterjung.com. This will definatley assist you in yah quest to blind the hell out of whomever you are trying to keep up with.

Edgar

01-12-2005, 01:38 AM

Ill have to say 4300 thats what im looking to get for my Zenki.

SilviaDriver

01-12-2005, 01:40 AM

any you guys have pics of your cars with 5300k?

i do. i have the Catz which i want to get rid of

misterjung.com sucks ass!! do not go there! go there if you want ur bulbs to not burn into correct color as well has have them burn out asap

TurDz

01-12-2005, 02:00 AM

not true, lower color temps put out more light. Once again, look at the pic I posted above for proof.

are you sure? i said in my post, lower color temps put out more USEABLE and VISIBLE light. Our eyes can only see a tiny spectrum of light...remember, there are x-rays, infrared...etc.

Probably the only reasonable explantion less light is put onto the ground is the blue/purple stain that they color the glass lens of the capsule with (if there is one).

S14DB

01-12-2005, 03:06 AM

This is 4300K it's only yellow/white on the ground.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/240sx/HID/HID34low.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/240sx/HID/HIDbeam.jpg

KiDyNomiTe

01-12-2005, 09:05 AM

kidynomite: actually with higher color temp bulbs (8k-10k), light output is no more than weak high beams or good low beams. And with HID bulbs in halogen reflectors, a lot of that light isn't being directed at the road, so light output is no more than stock, it just looks like it is.
I realize that, so I don't think I would really want 4300K cuz it will only be blinding everyone else. I for the first time saw those projectors that go into stock flip ups, looks like ass by themselves, but I guess I'll have to wait and see how the turnout is on my friends car.

I never have much of any problem seeing, and have driven with a friend with 7000K on H4, its more than enough light for me, but I went up a little from that.

So in the end I am really only getting it for the bling factor cuz HIDs aren't really that necessary for me, there are street lights all over, if I was to ever go for maximum light output, I would look more into making Supermade buckets and finding some decent driving hid lights.

RBS14

01-12-2005, 11:16 AM

turdz: the light output is diminished in higher color temp bulbs not only from the coatings put on the bulbs, but also the gases and salts that are used in the capsule itself. To my understanding, the gases and salts used that achieve those high color temps, don't create as intense of an arc. either way, we both agree that lower color temp is better. :)

kidynomite: If you aren't doing it for yourself, spare everyone driving around you. It's not just a matter of courtesy, it's also dangerous for other drivers to have that much glare shining into their eyes. Besides, why not do it if it's not going to cost you any more than a drop in kit? It'll yield 2x more light on the road than a drop in kit and there will be virtually no glare. Whether you think you want that much light or not, you'll be glad you did it right when you get done.

SimpleS14

01-12-2005, 12:36 PM

S14DB - Is that a HID kit?

Turdz - Whatever happen to the write-up?

RBS14 - Never thought about using S2000 projectors.....are they easier to retrofit compared to Audi and BMW? (I'm thinking its the same)

SilviaDriver

01-12-2005, 03:44 PM

s2000 is harder than audi and bmw

FinalDrive

01-12-2005, 03:57 PM

My 4100K:
http://img112.exs.cx/img112/7998/onwall.jpg

http://img112.exs.cx/img112/6371/front19.jpg

KiDyNomiTe

01-12-2005, 05:31 PM

kidynomite: If you aren't doing it for yourself, spare everyone driving around you. It's not just a matter of courtesy, it's also dangerous for other drivers to have that much glare shining into their eyes. Besides, why not do it if it's not going to cost you any more than a drop in kit? It'll yield 2x more light on the road than a drop in kit and there will be virtually no glare. Whether you think you want that much light or not, you'll be glad you did it right when you get done.

What do you mean if I am not doing it for myself? I am doing it because it looks cool to me, and it will be brighter than my current set up. Supermade bucket style will end up costing me more, I paid ~$250 (I forget what the price came down to) in a GB, and close to nothing for the H4 conversion from a friend.

I have seen the difference of doing it with projectors and doing it with halogens, and the troubles outweigh the benefits for what I want.

TurDz

01-12-2005, 06:27 PM

^ see how the S15 headlights have such a clean HID output? it's because the lens is totally clear, unlike S14 Kouki headlights (USDM) with three vertical lines and tiny angular defractive "steps" in the glass design. See below and see what stands between the projector (s2000) and the outside of the headlight. Those 4 lines on either side, plus little steps in the glass. Through a lot of observation, these are used for overhead lighting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/turdz/IMG_1296.jpg

Also, the glass has a design which travels horizontally across (about 15 degrees from the horizontal) from it, and continues to the clearance lamp (next to the headlight) and continues on to the fender, door, etc. That actually bends the light on some projector designs...again, it upsets the sharpness of the cutoff.

anyway..the first is a good pic when i installed oem hid projectors last year. It doesn't look nearly as sharp now, so I'm going to have to open up my headlights again for the um-teenth time this weekend and play with them again. The 2nd pic was taken not too long ago. BTW, 4100k cuts through fog very nicely contrary to what people have said. Going to GT Live with fog for almost 80% of the drive made my HID conversion very worth my while (for the amount of work put in, difficulties..etc).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/turdz/IMG_1054.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/turdz/IMG_2515.jpg

RBS14

01-12-2005, 07:50 PM

95koukis14: audi(valeo), BMW(bosch/zkw), s2k are all the same level of difficulty for a retrofit. You do the same steps to get them into your headlight no matter what projector you are using, and they are all about the same as far as difficulty goes. bixenon are a little bit harder because they are bigger and have more wiring, but still not that difficult. I'm using e46 single xenon projectors for my retro on my zenki S14 so we'll see how it goes. However, I am not expecting any difficulties.

SimpleS14

01-13-2005, 05:34 PM

Can I use projectors from BMW and bulbs/ballast from a Nissan? They both use the same bulbs...so I don't see why it wouldn't work....right?

RBS14

01-13-2005, 05:38 PM

yea, you can do that. you will be running D2S bulbs, so any D2S ballast will work. Some people even use 2 different ballasts, but I'm not going to be THAT ghetto. You can also grab the ballasts from cars that had reflector HID's from the factory, which use D2R bulbs. But make sure not to use those bulbs in projectors. I got e46 projectors from a guy on hidplanet.com and now I'm gonna go to junk yards and start searching for any car that had HID from the factory and pull the ballasts, and if they're projector equipped, the bulbs too.

SimpleS14

01-13-2005, 06:41 PM

Now here's a really weird question...I can use one projector from one car and another projector from a different car?

I'm going to start scouring the net for projectors and what not....I remember seeing this one site with nothing put F/S ads and the stuff was dirt cheap (IMO).

SilviaDriver

01-13-2005, 07:12 PM

why would u wanna do that? all projectors are created differently with different cutoffs and flicker.

i guess you like mismatched wheels?

SimpleS14

01-13-2005, 07:19 PM

Because I'm a cheap bastard lol

Actually I'm buying a set of Valeo projectors (from the same car). Now I need bulbs and ballast. Anyone care to give me some suggestions or tips before I start this?

I'm going to search (or post) on HIDforums and HIDplanet .....but it doesn't hurt ask here while this thread is still up.

SilviaDriver

01-13-2005, 07:22 PM

dont be cheap.

RBS14

01-13-2005, 10:20 PM

don't get 2 different brands/models of projectors. make sure both are the same. hidforums got hacked and isn't around anymore, it's hidplanet now. You don't need to ask questions, all the info you need is there if you search. they also have a very active f/s section. as for ballasts, most japanese cars use Matsushita (panasonic) ballasts, and most german cars use Hella ballasts. Both are great and perform the same. Also, I'd recommend against valeos. they have good output, but bosch and most honda/acura/nissan/lexus projectors slightly out-perform them.

SimpleS14

01-13-2005, 10:35 PM

Yea...I pretty much have most of the stuff figured out....but one more question. what are you going to do about wiring RBS14?

My car was originally a Zenki and I still have the H4 connector. I came across this site and got a go idea of what to do....but I'd like to know what your going to do.

http://faq.auto.light.tripod.com/headlamp-harness.html

RBS14

01-13-2005, 11:36 PM

I'm going to make a harness to the specs of that faq. However the only thing I'm not sure about is, which wire the signal for the relay is in our cars. There is one other guy that I know of that has done a retro in his zenki, so I'm gonna email him soon. A little bit later I'm gonna get some HIR bulbs for my highbeams too. should be more light than I know what to do with. haha

RSP13-Sideways

01-14-2005, 12:09 AM

I have a set of HIDs from a IS300, the cruddy part is...they don't fit inside my tripple projectors on my S13 front end :wtc:

RBS14

01-14-2005, 12:20 AM

e46/audi TT single xenon projectors are the smallest you can find, get a pair and see if they fit. I've got a pair and they are very high quality. Can't wait to get them in the car.

RSP13-Sideways

01-14-2005, 12:45 AM

RBS14, hold everything. You were at my house hrmmmm with Luke and Olga like yesterday night hahaha...SELL ME THOSE HIDS DAMMIT! Or I will trade you for my IS300 ones....

SimpleS14

01-14-2005, 12:50 AM

I think I know which wire signals the relay for the low beams. Are you going to make a harness from scratch? I'm thinking of using the harness on Painless Performance. Let me know when you get intouch with the other guy.

RBS14

01-14-2005, 01:42 AM

Haha hey, what's up man! I'm keeping them tho. I've got em all ready to go into my housings. check the f/s section on www.hidplanet.com I've seen a couple sets for sale in the last week. You can sell your IS300 ones there too.

95kouki: Yea, it's cake. just get 15-20 ft of 12-ga wire, that bosch relay, a few fuse holders, a few fuses, a diode and you are pretty much done. If you search, you can find a thread where a guy who built his own harness provides links to all the parts you need to make one. Which wire do you think is the signal? how do you know?

SimpleS14

01-14-2005, 09:20 AM

I remember way back when I did my front end conversion I was trying to figure out what wires would get the low beam working. But I notice that there was one wire that would trigger the light to come on partically, while the other one would trigger the headlight on completely. It's still a thought and I'll check it out once I have everything. Here's a stock wiring diagram if you want to check it out....

http://members.aol.com/SG1210/headlight_wirediagram.gif