anybody have the EBay version of B&M SS

[TheSparo]

i was curious to see if it performed the same or not, or if it is really sloppy...
there was a thread before, but at the time nobody had used one... figured somebody has by now

[WILDACEX187]

be the first and let us know.

[Tygma]

well i don't know about having it on a 240sx, but i do have a friend that has it on his 300zx. and it feels nice... if u need more info you can IM him, or PM me about it.

[HyperTek]

yup... it rocks..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/streetphase/100_0154.jpg

my buddy Fdaze put one in for his auto to 5spd swap.. once its complete Ill let you know. But with it in the tranny already, can tell you teh throw is really short. Another friend of mine has the real b&m and it feels the same. Nice quality piece, I cant see anything wrong with it.

[nistech]

just dont buy obx

[Twinkie]

yeah i have an obx...and i tlel yah...the thng sucks crap. i hate it. ive been thinking of buying them bnm style short shifters too. tell me how it goes.

[tegasaurus]

Even though it wasn't on a 240sx, I had the same "style" shifter on my integra. Needless to say I broke the shiftknob off (breaking the shifter in 1/2, literally) while driving in city traffic. i assume the REAL b-n-m will have more quality, but in general, I just say no to short shifters.

Short shifters make the shift quicker only in time by adding more "torque"... persay... on the receiving end of the transmission; which puts more stress on the syncros and eventually wearing them out. It's the same thing as shifting REALLY really ridiculously fast all the time. So use at your own risk (and cost!!) :D

[red240]

i was curious to see if it performed the same or not, or if it is really sloppy...
there was a thread before, but at the time nobody had used one... figured somebody has by now
I have one in my hatch with an SR, I love it , works great and can't beat the price :hahano:

[MakotoS13]

who the hell cares? i paid 180 shipped for my B&M and looking back i'd pay 300 bucks for this thing. it just owns that much.

[mr_240sx]

I got the real B&M SS and I love it! I would never have another 240sx without a B&M ss! What i would suggest you to do is buy the real thing because its worth every single penny!!

[sykikchimp]

I have an OBX, and it works perfect for me. no problems what so ever, ever.

Just buy whatever you want. the eliteists can fark off.. :-P

There are no shitty short shifter for the 240sx.

[MasterOFDrift]

B&M shift or B&M style shifter will not disappoint. The damn thing makes me want to drive all day, and now I wont drive any other 240sx without one

[CoasTek240]

i have OBX, and i love it. there is nothing wrong with it. However i do think the B&M is superior and feels a bit firmer and nicer.
this looks like a nice knockoff to buy. you cant fuck up a shortshifter too much. things seems solid.
i might buy one and switch it out with my OBX.

[tastyratz]

im curious about this too if anyone has tried both and can honestly say from experience that this x ebay shifter is the same quality feel as b&m. I dont care for the short shifting throw at all really but my main concern is precision. Stock shifter feels sloppy and moves around like nothing, im looking for something with no slop and no play cheap or a way to mod the stock to eliminate slop in the tranny

-pink post numero uno

[aa87]

Yeah, i also want one too, my friend got a real B and M, and it is insane!

[sykikchimp]

an easy way to reduce a ton of the stock slop is to simply replace the shifter bushing. It's a small poly peice that goes on the nipple that slide into the tranny. After 10+ years the stock bushing is usually worn to nothing. New bushings are only like $2, and make a night and day difference in feel.

[Ian]

i like the B&M alot personally

combined w/ my nismo CF light shiftknob, it's amazing

[sideviewcivic]

an easy way to reduce a ton of the stock slop is to simply replace the shifter bushing. It's a small poly peice that goes on the nipple that slide into the tranny. After 10+ years the stock bushing is usually worn to nothing. New bushings are only like $2, and make a night and day difference in feel.


do you have a part number for this piece??? i need to replace the few bushings i still have left in my car. what about the pilot ss has anyone had experience with that one??

[FinSX]

yeah, I have one. It's very nice and firm, I recommend!
(the picture isn't from my shifter, but it´looks exactly the same)
http://www.drunkenoldfarts.com/~lumo/cars/shifteri.jpg

[MakotoS13]

alright... i don't wanna be a stick in the mud or anything.... but shouldn't you put your toys away before you post pictures of your stuff on THE INTERNET?!

didja get your girlfriend off ebay too? LOL

[FinSX]

alright... i don't wanna be a stick in the mud or anything.... but shouldn't you put your toys away before you post pictures of your stuff on THE INTERNET?!

didja get your girlfriend off ebay too? LOL


:) :) thought you'd like the picture...

but like I wrote earlier, the pic isn't from my toys. But I do have one of those shifters thou.

[S14DB]

yeah, I have one. It's very nice and firm, I recommend!
(the picture isn't from my shifter, but it´looks exactly the same)
Um, forget to put something away?

[sykikchimp]

do you have a part number for this piece??? i need to replace the few bushings i still have left in my car. what about the pilot ss has anyone had experience with that one??

no I don't. just tell them what I said and they'll know. there's only one bushing in that area.

[tastyratz]

yea thats fairly disturbing. careful though id pull that pic and redo it. the whole reason im pink right now is because i posted a few links to some funny ass weird sex toys in off topic. now im pink for 2 weeks, i guess it doesnt matter if you put NWS in the title...

[drift into a curb]

The pilot is the same as the OBX. And anybody having problems with the OBX either 1. doesn't know to properly install parts or 2. doesn't know how to drive. OBX works perfectly fine. B&M is very solid though. Can't justify the extra 120 bucks to spend on it. I'd rather get other stuff like tires or set of suspension links.

[Grant]

I havent had a problem with OBX either. I've also had a C's on my S13.. no problems whatsoever with either.. crisp, yet smooth. I had a B&M too, didn't like it.. too notchy..

[fdaze]

...well now that i have manual transmission with a B&M knock off short shifter... i gotta hand it. to yah... it is alot shorter... and pretty good.. just the fact that its easier to mis shift just gotta get used to it since im used to shifting with a stock one.. but yea... just dont mess up alot cause it will mess up your transmission...

[bing]

i will have the ebay knock off in a couple weeks.

i doubt B&M makes their shifter in the US... iono maybe they do but you cant tell where anything is made anymore.

it could very well be the exact same thing with some blue anodization on one of the pieces.

[TheSparo]

ok, i got it and i love it, its not notchy, i'd say its crisp, it makes the car seem stable...

[nismo2491]

my pilot sucked, even threadlocking in the plate nut bolts they backed out and eventually you could literally pull up on the shifter to lift it out of the trans. called pilot and they couldn't seel just the plate nuts, they also said that supposedly they had changed the design or something. btw it did take 2 years for them to back out so... and that was on a solid trans mount.
KEvin

[HyperTek]

ok... second opinion.. the springs inside the shifter (that support the shifter, helping center out the shifter) are pretty stiff. easy to mis-shift.

[240silvia]

One of my friends has one... feels nice.... over 2000 miles with it, no problems yet.

[jjwilks240]

i pick mine up from bings in a few hours :wackit:

[Gladman]

I purchased one for a friend using my ebay account. Very nice shifters.

I tried it out, feels the same as a B&M.. has a slight vibration to it, but it can be eliminated by greasing the inside of the shifter mechanism.

Im running an OBX style shifter right now, its a lot smoother, but the shifts arent as short, my B&M replica is on the way.


As for the guy that said short shifters are hard on trannies, you're wrong. Short shifters decrease your mechanical advantage, they decrease the amount of force you are capable of exerting on the transmission. Imagine a shifter with a 12" throw, you'd be able to put tons of force into the tranny and not even feel it. With a super short throw, you wont have the leverage to put the tranny into gear, unless its ready to go into gear.

[Gladman]

And to guys that say OBX shifters are garbage... the aluminum ring included with the kit goes below everything. Some people yank out their shifter, throw in the ring and call it a day. Thats wrong. You are supposed to completely remove the shifter, the pivot and place the spacer below EVERYTHING. I've seen a few incorrectly installed shifters of this nature, they work, but the shifter can move up and down, they rattle and slip out of gear. If you dislike OBX shifters, its because you installed it wrong. Plain and simple, they're awesome shifters and they work exactly like stock. All they do i raise the pivot 1/2" with an aluminum spacer and extend the shift level under the pillow ball. Theres nothing that can possibly be crappy about them.

[Wei240]

there seems to be multiple sellers at different times,

who did you guys buy the imitation bnm shifter from? just wondering...

[cali240sxdrifter]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33736&item=7948414068&rd=1

got mine from here. Really fast shipping too. Shifter is awesome.

[TheSparo]

there seems to be multiple sellers at different times,

who did you guys buy the imitation bnm shifter from? just wondering...

if you were talkin to me then the seller's name was all numbers, no letters at all, and shipping was really quick with him, i reccomend him

[1101]

The part number for that bushing apears to be 32861-H7301, I didnt even think about a bushing there; I will be picking one up soon.

http://carfiche.com/fiche/s13/?3:h:13

Carfiche.com is your friend

[projectRDM]

there seems to be multiple sellers at different times,

who did you guys buy the imitation bnm shifter from? just wondering...

They're all the same. Just like the ladder bars, camber/toe arms, etc. There's one factory in Taiwan or where ever churning stuff out night and day. Same stuff, same boxes, same warranty, just different sellers.

[bing]

^^^

actually it is the same guy running different accounts.

i dont know why but he has perfect feedback on all of them.

i just coordinated a nice big group buy with him and it went off wickedly... i cant say enough good things about the seller.

the quality of the merchandise is only about average, but when you consider the below average pricing you still come out on top..

[SlowCoupe]

groupbuy you're talking about?

[Wei240]

They're all the same. Just like the ladder bars, camber/toe arms, etc. There's one factory in Taiwan or where ever churning stuff out night and day. Same stuff, same boxes, same warranty, just different sellers.

that's good to know :)

it's just that some of them are obx style, and then bnm style and then no name/style short shifter...

[bing]

groupbuy you're talking about?

i jsut did a group buy for our canadian club,

i have 5 of those short shifters sitting on my floor right this very second.

http://bings.ca/images/DSC01561.JPG

the short shifters are over there between the S13/S14 RUCA's

[jjwilks240]

i bought mine off bing for $60us, put it in today, exactly like b&m

ive tried megan, obx, real b&m ect

this is cheaper than them all and better or equal to them all

[rthamilton]

what about the rubber boot on the stock shifter and on the real b&m, does the fake come with this or do i have to get one?

[bing]

there is no rubber boot on the fake one.

i now have the knock-off, a bit noisey like the B&M, but i love it.

[WILDACEX187]

bing link me to the seller u got urs from.

[rthamilton]

my main concern is will fluild leak out without the boot?

[bing]

i bought mine fom this guy:

http://stores.ebay.com/delubozparts_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm

i am buying every single shifter he has left this week so you better hurry.

highly recommend this seller, i have spent several thousand with him now and he has been amazing in every single way. i look forward to doing more business with him in the very near future.

[boosteds13]

i bought mine fom this guy:

http://stores.ebay.com/delubozparts_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm

i am buying every single shifter he has left this week so you better hurry.

highly recommend this seller, i have spent several thousand with him now and he has been amazing in every single way. i look forward to doing more business with him in the very near future.

That's who I got my urethane exhaust hangers from... good customer service! He made it a point to ship them out right before he left for Taiwan or something like that.

[Doriftomodachi]

And to guys that say OBX shifters are garbage... the aluminum ring included with the kit goes below everything. Some people yank out their shifter, throw in the ring and call it a day. Thats wrong. You are supposed to completely remove the shifter, the pivot and place the spacer below EVERYTHING. I've seen a few incorrectly installed shifters of this nature, they work, but the shifter can move up and down, they rattle and slip out of gear. If you dislike OBX shifters, its because you installed it wrong. Plain and simple, they're awesome shifters and they work exactly like stock. All they do i raise the pivot 1/2" with an aluminum spacer and extend the shift level under the pillow ball. Theres nothing that can possibly be crappy about them.

I installed mine correctly. I dislike obx/pilot shifters because they FALL APART:D

[95zilvia]

Bastard... the guys not sellin the short shifters for 240s no more!
I think I want one. My shifter's been poppin out of 2nd lately, like, it'll be in gear, and right when im about to goto 3rd, I touch the shifter, and it comes out to neutral :P

[WILDACEX187]

where does on bolt up front ladder bars on a s13?

[fliprayzin240sx]

I just ordered one. And no i dont think they come with a booth. But ive seen a real B&M one with the boot. Dont think youll have any leak issues with the shifter not having a booth. What worries me is dirt getting into the shifter over time. Might need to clean it up ever so often *once every 6 months or so* and making sure its greased up properly to keep the ball joint from sticking. Down side of doing this is, you can fook up the white plastic cap on the end of the shifter.

[WILDACEX187]

make a boot urself flip. just something to keep everything clean.

[bing]

if you buy from the dude tell him i referred you...lol

maybe he'll hook me up even more..

[95zilvia]

i would buy from the dude, IF YOU DIDNT BUY THEM ALL!
So bing, how much u charging? I'd like to pick one up ASAP.
San Francisco, CA.

[aa87]

anybody have experience with their oilpan? I dont want to end up with a leaky pos.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Isnt their oilpan the Greddy knockoffs? From what i heard, they work just as well as the real one. Copied it down to the same exact thing *including the baffle plates inside* If they came out with that and the manifold last year, I would have just bought those two and end up saving myself $400 for the Greddy ones.

[bing]

i would buy from the dude, IF YOU DIDNT BUY THEM ALL!
So bing, how much u charging? I'd like to pick one up ASAP.
San Francisco, CA.

if you are in the US you are better off going to the source, him.

i just hook up the Canadian guys because i live at the border so i drop ship it at a buddies and clear it through customs on my own.

iono if you have shipped to canada before but we have ludicrous brokerage and import fees levied on good coming from the US.

btw..

he told me that he has 35 of the shifters in stock at present, i am taking 8-10 of them so there are still plenty to go around.

they are a bit noisey but i have had mine for a little over a month now and i really enjoy it.

on a more interesting note, alot of these items are being brought in and rebadged under different "brand names"

there are alot of comapnies buying this off shore stuff and charging you more for it, but i leave it to you to find out who they are.

[Sway500]

I got mine from Bings source and it workds great. Just like the B&M. Its well worht the money. I have fallen in love with my car all over again

[focused]

I've got one of these shifters. First off, it feels like it is in a bind, like it needs another gasket or something to step it up. Next to that it feels as though it takes way to much force to shift, which i think ties in with it being in a bind. The shifter also rattles at 6k which seems to be somewhat common in a lot of these knock off shifters.

[Ian]

also identical to what the original B&M did...lol

[WILDACEX187]

also identical to what the original B&M did...lol
http://www.kolobok.wrg.ru/smiles/jester.gif

[tastyratz]

well I hope those ebay shifters you were talking about are good bing because I just bid on one...

[rthamilton]

someone told me that short shifters can hurt syncros,how true is this and also something about easier to grind gears.

[bing]

well I hope those ebay shifters you were talking about are good bing because I just bid on one...

hahaha.... dont go blaming me is something goes wrong...lol

the feedback i give is to support that the seller is honest and that i have had a few excellent transactions with him.

i cant make any claims as to the functionality of the items beyond those that i have and use myself.

i have this shifter and i enjoy it, but it does make some noise.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I just got an email with tracking number. Bought it off DOHCCIVIC something. Ive seen that seller around ebay alot and didnt have much negative comments about him. 2 days and its being shipped out. Only downside is i didnt know that the parts coming all the way from FL so it might take a minute to get to cali if its by ground. ill let you guys know next wk.

[95zilvia]

hey bing, can you tell him to hook it up for me, or give me someway easier for me to contact him, like an AIM screen name or something. i want the B&M for 60 shipped.

[tastyratz]

picked one up from bings and resold it to someone locally. ive held the b&m shifter in my hand personally and the ebay one and heres a few notes:
ebay one has return springs on both sides that are weaker than the b&m, note my shifter had 2 different rate springs in it and when it wasnt in the car the shifter wouldnt return to center when pushed to one side from the lack of spring rate
b&m has a glass filled center for that pivoting ball inside which leaves NO slop as far as it goes in the shifter. Ebay shifter had the ball made out of what appeared to be delrin with a hole drilled through the center for the shifter rod to fit through. note that there was approximately 1/16th-1/32nd of play at the base which translated to about 1/4 inch play at the top of the shifter rod. this ball would more than likely be something that should be press fit onto the shift lever assembly. it appears that they may have rushed the production too much as when machining plastic it tends to flex before it cuts. looks like they upped the size of the drill and drilled it quicker to compensate making production faster. with the lack of attention to fine details one would assume the possibility of some sharp edges inside the mechanism which would cause the delrin to wear rather quickly. also note the shifter felt slightly "gritty" threading on the top of the shifter wasnt terrible. wasnt incredibly nice fine pitched but wasnt the worst threading i have seen. the aluminum shifter base looked as if it could have been a final run reject piece, there were several surface blemishes before and after anodization. the anodization on the surface left feeling thinner than usual. this came with a bushing to replace the stock one which I noted was nice as b&m does not. the bushing had appeared to be made fairly sloppy but shouldnt matter in its application so dont worry it still snaps on the end tight without play. also note I have heard of someone locally to me having the bushing actually melt inside of his transmission. After I sold this to someone locally they installed it and I felt it inside their transmission first hand. The shifter was definitely an improvement over stock and was very notchy and crisp. it prettymuch eliminated a large amount of slop however it didnt feel 100% at all times which is hard to explain. it felt ambiguous slightly at times but only a hair of unsurity was there. the front to back movement was shortened alot, but not as much as I would like. the side to side movement was dramatically shortened and personally I feel it may be too close.... especially for something thats not 100% precise. This shifter also has a large amount of rattle in it (maybe due to the slop where the lever meets the bushing?) and doesnt have a small rubber boot like the b&m does causing it to spray oil everywhere. If you want to use that shifter I HIGHLY recomment some sort of makeshift boot to go in its place where one should be.
as far as the b&m goes I have yet to feel one installed personally and I may update this post when I get a chance to. From what I seen close up I have no complaints on any production faults or attention to detail. You get what you pay for in this case and every little thing on the b&m felt nice. It would be nice though however if it came with a new shifter bushing but I would recommend a brand new one at the same time as the shifter swap for obvious reasons since the stock one is wears out very fast.
you may ask how I personally qualify for a review like this.... I am a certified NIMS approved machinist and spent a good 5-6 years of my life not too long ago doing just that. now.... any questions?

[bing]

nah you are about right.

the B&M does have that rubber boot which is a great idea to add to the copy if you get it. i will be doing that when the tranny comes out next week.

i get rattling in certain gears at certian RPM's but so does the B&M in most cases.

there are people with this knock-off shifter that do not experience rattling, i've sold maybe 20 of them and i've driven a few cars with them and mine rattles a bit more than others. but then again i drive 5 times more than anyone i know and my car is also a bit faster too...lol..shameless plug...iono i doubt that has anything to do with it.

also, i am sure that there will be variability between peices within a certain threshold as there is with all production processes.

i do agree that you get what you pay for with this piece, you are paying for the materials and the import costs. when you buy brand name you are paying for the marketing and advertising fees on top of all other inputs. so in those cases you really are not getting what you pay for, you are getting much less in fact.

if you can get a B&M for anything close to this price is is prolly a good idea to grab it. if your lusting after the feel of it but cant dish the $$$ for the real deal. this will morethan suffice.

[Sway500]

Like I said I got one from Bing's source. My shifter is just like my friends B&M, mine doesn't rattle, it has no play,very firm shifter. I love it

[turbozxi]

Anyone modded the stock boot to cover it?

[Powered by Jay]

no mod needed.it just slips on. it's a pita to get off the stock shifter though.

[lagvoid21]

Anyone modded the stock boot to cover it?

are you talking about the rubber boot thing that the stock shifter/b&m use to prevent oil spilling out?

[turbozxi]

are you talking about the rubber boot thing that the stock shifter/b&m use to prevent oil spilling out?
Yes. I will be trying next wednesday anyway so will post how it goes. :bow:

[turbozxi]

Well got my B&M imitation installed today, the boot off the standard shifter comes off easily with a bit of lube and goes onto the new one shifter without problem..
Only been for a short drive but geez the throw on the shifter is drastically reduced the left to right movement is probably reduced a bit much we will see but I am picking I will get 5th when going for 3rd a few times, perhaps since its self centering I will ok... No vibration yet, and the shifter itself is certainly sturdy, for the moment I give it two thumbs up. :bow:

[lagvoid21]

Well got my B&M imitation installed today, the boot off the standard shifter comes off easily with a bit of lube and goes onto the new one shifter without problem..
Only been for a short drive but geez the throw on the shifter is drastically reduced the left to right movement is probably reduced a bit much we will see but I am picking I will get 5th when going for 3rd a few times, perhaps since its self centering I will ok... No vibration yet, and the shifter itself is certainly sturdy, for the moment I give it two thumbs up. :bow:

Thanks for the update! From the pictures it seems there is no lip retaining the stock rubber boot in place. Please let us know how things progress with more mileage.

[turbozxi]

Yeah piece of cake to swap the boot, will do.