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lsk12

01-05-2005, 08:21 AM

Hey guys Ive got some pics of my car for you its a j-spec s13 silvia
with a lexus 1uz 4L quad cam v8 transplanted and converted to 5sp manual
It drifts really well good balance more over steer than under and heaps of torque to smoke the tyres. Also did a 13.8sec 1/4 on skinny road tyres so theres more left in it.

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Ghettokracker71

01-05-2005, 09:30 AM

AKADriver

01-05-2005, 09:43 AM

An engine is an engine, it doesn't care what car it's in.

A VH45 would probably fit, but a 1UZ is narrower.

This car was probably a non-turbo.

lsk12

01-05-2005, 09:49 AM

It came with a ca18de non turbo which is a bit under powered
for any sort of track work and the lexus engine is lighter and smaller than the nissan vh plus its easier to find aftermarket parts for.

Fastback180

01-05-2005, 10:52 AM

Damn!
That's a huuuge bitch!

FRpilot

01-05-2005, 10:52 AM

I have very little respect for cross-breed cars.

why is that? i think cross-breed cars are sick!! you dont like the hachies with s2k motors in them or sr20s? or 240s with 1jz? and the s30 chasis with all the custom engines in there? rotories into other cars. hybrid motorswap cars are interesting and have my respect since hardcore custom work is done to make them fit and run.

01SaturnL200

01-05-2005, 11:16 AM

thats f'in badass! keep up the work!! :)

ruthlesstyper

01-05-2005, 11:20 AM

DAmn.. Nice swap. Looks legit.

kandyflip445

01-05-2005, 11:32 AM

SWEET! You should turbo that shit! :p

BSeay

01-05-2005, 11:33 AM

Good job man, i bet that thing is a beast in the burnout box with skinnies!

Ghettokracker71

01-05-2005, 11:43 AM

why is that? i think cross-breed cars are sick!! you dont like the hachies with s2k motors in them or sr20s? or 240s with 1jz? and the s30 chasis with all the custom engines in there? rotories into other cars. hybrid motorswap cars are interesting and have my respect since hardcore custom work is done to make them fit and run.

I hav respect for the workmanship that went into this S13,and other crossbreeders,and agree on the sence that they are interesting and all. RB>1jz,therefore RB for a S13,if it was my car. Hachies with K20(IIRC?) or SR? Whats wrong w/a 4ag?

TiNMAN

01-05-2005, 12:54 PM

now thats nucking futs man!! rock on :rawk:

CylonFrakker

01-05-2005, 01:04 PM

My dream swap:boink:
Man I love your swap thats awesome.

Could you email me the details of that swap please. Very much interested especially the 5speed swap and what vehicles you had to steal parts from to finish the swap. Also any info on modifications to the frame and motormounts and what you had to do. So please let me know.

lsk12

01-05-2005, 01:19 PM

Heres a Pic of the adapter plate that bolts to the v8 bellhousing and the W55
supra 5spd

The engine mounts are custom the standard s13 transmission mount still fits

No mods done to the frame everything fits without having to cut into the s13

Only thing to watch is the sump needs to be a front sump not a mid or rear.

It weighs 1160KGs with a half tank of gass and full interior so its no heaver than standard but has heaps more power and talk and it turns some heads:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/lsk12/box.jpg

Id-

01-05-2005, 02:17 PM

RB>1jz,therefore RB for a S13,if it was my car.

where'd you get that math from? last I checked the 1jz cost less than half of an RB25 and there were way more big-power 1jzs out there than the 25s...

stop downing the project because he put a superior toyota v8 in his car...

you criticize hybrid cars yet the fastest street cars out there are usually hybrids of some sort
my friend's 280z with a built RB25 + T04R is a hybrid but its pretty nasty :)
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not bad running 100mph traps in that thing! thats gotta be one of the early-model 1uz's... 250hp right? i'd like to see of the 300hp 1uzs or even a 2uz with a tundra crank to run the displacement to 4.9L and about 350hp ;)

what made you choose the w55? availability? i'd personally have gone with the R154 out of the MK3 supra turbo... (also available in the 5-speed 1jz cars over there even tho its rare) i can find R154s over here for $100 a pop though I dunno if the S13 would fit it or not; its pretty damn beefy

good luck on the project!

kazuo

01-05-2005, 02:55 PM

Very very very nice sir. You are a gangsta!

Any more info on the swap? What kind of issues did you run into? Wiring? Pics of the mounts? Any issues with hood clearance? Etc etc etc

This swap is almost as gangsta as the 2J swaps in Thailand. :D

lsk12

01-05-2005, 03:18 PM

Thanks for comments guys

Not too many clearance issuses the biggest was the clutch master cylinder
Which prevented the engine from going right up against the fire wall
but it still handles really well. I put two bolt flanges onto the stock headers
then adapted an r33 skyline stainless 3inch exhaust to fit the s13 hangers

running tein coilovers and I adapted the stock castor rods to make them adjustible

Wiring was easy because I used a LINK aftermarket Enginge management computer which has its own loom

Still struggling a bit with the speedo and tacho though

few more pics for ya
note the pic of the mounts was taken before they were boxed in and welded fully, so dont say they look weak:)

I raced a guy with an s14 with a boosted up 6spd blacktop sr20det s15 engine and box and it was dead equal all the way. So Im happy about that.

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FRpilot

01-05-2005, 03:23 PM

im still confuse where this engine comes from.. haha. lexus 1uz 4.0L quad cam.. there's a lot of aftermarket support for this v8 motor?

evilimport

01-05-2005, 03:24 PM

Looks good to me A+ on the swap!

AKADriver

01-05-2005, 03:35 PM

im still confuse where this engine comes from.. haha. lexus 1uz 4.0L quad cam.. there's a lot of aftermarket support for this v8 motor?

Celsior/LS400, Aristo/GS400, and Soarer/SC400 all used it.

1UZ-FE is the complete engine code.

Hachies with K20(IIRC?) or SR? Whats wrong w/a 4ag?

4A-GE = 115-170hp, 105lb-ft
F20C = 240hp, 150lb-ft
SR20DET = 205-250hp, 200lb-ft

any questions? :)

projectRDM

01-05-2005, 04:44 PM

That's hot as hell. Very clean install and good choice on the motor.

SilviaDriver

01-05-2005, 05:19 PM

I hav respect for the workmanship that went into this S13,and other crossbreeders,and agree on the sence that they are interesting and all. RB>1jz,therefore RB for a S13,if it was my car. Hachies with K20(IIRC?) or SR? Whats wrong w/a 4ag?

you have lil respect for cars with crossbred swaps? you are talkin about cross bred from another company?

Nissan should only stay in Nissans? only showing how narrow minded you are.

might as well say "White poeple should only date White people"

OverBoost

01-05-2005, 09:36 PM

awesome swap! that thing sounds like a real beast. great job on the install! it would be cool to see this swap over here in the states, but only if it was kept a secret in the 240 community ;)

wanganwonder

01-05-2005, 10:02 PM

wicked. i love crazy swaps. You have the skills; you should try doing a mid-mounted engine like the BuBu Style AE86

CylonFrakker

01-05-2005, 10:31 PM

Did you ever consider other engine management options or maybe adapting the lexus wiring to work with the s13 frame. What was the most expensive part of the swap. Are you looking to do anyother modification to the motor if so what? When you stated that the sump had to be a front sump not mid or rear what did you mean? Please elaborate I am very much interested in completing this swap. Those motors can be had for less than $450 and the transmission for even less. Thanks a bunch

weirdstyles.net

01-05-2005, 10:33 PM

might as well say "White poeple should only date White people"

Not moderating you but watch them words, I know your using it as an example but I think Race/Religon vs Motor preference has a bit of controversial gap to say the least.

I totaly respect what youve done, I wanted a SC400 but owned a 240SX so you made life all the more interesting. Congrats on the clean install!!

mr_240sx

01-05-2005, 10:37 PM

looks to be a clean swap, propps for doing something to make your car stand out from the crowd!

SilviaDriver

01-05-2005, 11:08 PM

Not moderating you but watch them words, I know your using it as an example but I think Race/Religon vs Motor preference has a bit of controversial gap to say the least.

fair enough. if i have offended anybody that was not my intent so i would like to appologize in advance.

i tend to use examples to the extreme

suhster85

01-05-2005, 11:22 PM

sound clip?

Id-

01-06-2005, 01:21 AM

im still confuse where this engine comes from.. haha. lexus 1uz 4.0L quad cam.. there's a lot of aftermarket support for this v8 motor?

yes a huge aftermarket for it
its built WAY more than any american v8 from the factory; it has 6-bolt mains, you wont find that on american v8s
it uses standard nippon-denso injector rails that can pretty much use any size... if you've got just a little bit of room you can route a 2 into 1 manifold for a nice turbocharger

powerband is nice and fat stock; very torquey motor stock; and the 250hp motors are really bottled up because the same displacement motors several years later were pumping out 300hp that made torque all over the place (lexus later went to the 4.3 because of emissions)

as for soundclips; they sound like a low-growling ferrari, dohc v8s sound awsome, and the toyota v8 is a oversquare and low displacement, which makes it even better...
i do have a video of a Ferrari F40 kit car (used actual f40 body panels) that used a porsche tranny mated to a built 4.0 Lex V8... had 2 turbos, etc... wound up to about 10k rpms... sounds like pure sex

2fourDsx

01-06-2005, 01:42 AM

You should put a "powered by toyota" sticker on your car..that would really confuse the ricers! ha :bowdown:

2fourDsx

mrmephistopheles

01-06-2005, 02:42 AM

Very nice, mate! I love clean work!

BlackS14

01-06-2005, 06:13 AM

Looks like you did a clean install,and you also have some nice nice seats. But why a Lexus motor in a Nissan? I have very little respect for cross-breed cars. Esspecially seeing as that was a RHD car,proble came with an CA18DET or SR20DET.....wich both,are motors I would love to have in my USDM RMS13.

Crazy swaps rock....here's a pretty cool one I ran across the other day...

http://www3.telus.net/bryster/toystang/DSC01738.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/bryster/toystang/DSC01740.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/bryster/toystang/DSC01930.jpg

-Bill

Propagandhi41

01-06-2005, 06:17 AM

damn, look at the lip on those rear wheels and the flares on that mother f*cker

98sr20ve

01-06-2005, 06:41 AM

blitz180

01-06-2005, 06:49 AM

K20 isn't for S2k... F20 is. Sorry had to point that out... I dig the car by the way... nice swap. Mad props.

D-Cell

01-06-2005, 07:08 AM

An american push-rod V8 would fit much better, they are far more compact. An all aluminum engine would weigh less than the all aluminum Lexus V8, and the aftermarket support is there for the American engines, there just isn't enough for the Lexus yet. I should know, I work for a Lexus performance shop and I work for a GT-1 team in my spare time (Chevy 'Vette). When I see an affordable 600+ hp Lexus crate engine, I might consider swapping one into an S chassis Nissan. Until then I'll stick with the SR, no RB, 1UZ, 2JZ, or LS1. Not worth the trouble.

lsk12

01-06-2005, 12:24 PM

QUOTE]Wow, 99mph in the 1/4. that hardly seems worth the trouble.[/QUOTE]

Yeah thats a fair call but I didnt build it for drag racing I built it for drifting
and driving on the street. There are quite a few of these engine with twin turbos running stock internals putting out BIG power like over 4-500 hp. There Is one here in NZ I have seen in an RX7 with t3/4 turbos running mid 10 second 1/4s. So if I wanted a drag car Id go down that route but I think it would comprimise the driftibility and street drivability. The 13.8 quater mile time was done with 205/60/15 street tyres and tein drift spec coilovers So even though it got a 1.8 sec 60ft With softer suspension and sticky tyres
and a good tune of the LINK on a dyno I'd say a 12sec 1/4 isnt out of the question. Havent had it on the dyno yet but at an educated guess Id say it was putting out about 230hp at the back wheels with no turbo lag and a huge spread of torque

Next on the list though is wheels

Skyline brakes

strwberry (s15) front end conversion

and a good paint job

Im going for this look

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v341/lsk12/pinkbits1.jpg

msaskin

01-06-2005, 12:50 PM

Beautiful car, and if it hasn't been said enough, amazing work on the swap.

I look forward to seeing what else comes out of that car. I personally think having a broad torque curve in a car as light as an S chassis is capable of being would be awesome.

~matt

S13 Charlie

01-06-2005, 01:02 PM

I just wanted to say Good on ya, mate! I love custom work. It's so cool when you just think "hmmm, I wonder if that's possible.." and then you just go for it. The work looks killer also. I'm a little confused though 1160kg ~ 2563 lbs. And you say this is with the interior and all? I think our USDM S13's weigh about 2700 lbs from the factory, how is your car lighter with a much larger engine? Or am I missing something here. At any rate, great job, makes me want a V8 in my S13.. Drool.

-C

Id-

01-06-2005, 01:27 PM

Wow, 99mph in the 1/4. that hardly seems worth the trouble. You would think with that kind of HP potential it would be much better. Is the car making any decent HP. Any idea what the dyno is on the thing. Also, hiw 13.8 was with a decent 60ft time so no excusses there really. That car is no faster then my 98 Sentra with a NA VE in it.

yeah in the 1/4 mile its not; go run the car on the highway and the v8 will put you down pretty bad

plus this is the lowest HP 1uz made, its a 250hp motor, and there's no telling how good their tuning is thus far, nor any info on what condition the motor is in...

as for your sentra with a NA VE, you spent more money on your motor than he did on his... and you're driving a fwd sentra and he's driving a rwd s13 :2f2f:

Id-

01-06-2005, 01:29 PM

carnal_c30

01-06-2005, 02:03 PM

I have the 1UZ motor.... in my SC400 haha but while there arent very many people who have gone all out with the motor it should be noted that what little attempts there have been, especially with knowledge of the engines contruction, that if he really wanted to he could make an absolute beast

there are a few TT 1UZ V8s, none have gone for all out power yet that I know of but they are in the 4-500hp range as stated, and will stand up to much abuse, including a 250 shot of nitrous in a feeble attempt to blow the motor up :rl:

a 6 bolt main DOHC V8 made by Toyota is an awesome platform for an amazing drag car, the tundra motor in the celica and solara drag racers comes from this V8 with a bit of work I'm sure you could have a 1000hp 1UZ-FE... one thing to add though, without any exhaust the motor sounds pretty gross :D in my opinion, especially next to an RB or VQ with no exhaust. However with my stock exhaust on my SC4, the tone is intoxicating!

is there any way you could email me the pics and writeup or just the tips to [email protected] ?? I'm especially interested in the Supra 5spd bolting to the 1UZ

shawn_16

01-06-2005, 11:07 PM

i'm thinking of dropping a 1uz in a 80's 200sx or 280z <--(seen one on the dyno)... :)

weirdstyles.net

01-07-2005, 12:04 AM

I'm especially interested in the Supra 5spd bolting to the 1UZ

Ive been interested in the SC series for a while and I think it goes like this, please slap me if I am wrong. The Supra and SC300 share the same engine minus a few differences here or there, and quite possibly the same transmission. So if Lex/Toy was to swap the 1UZFE into the SC400, is there a higher probability they would simply use the same transmission as the SC300 instead of increasing production cost with a new transmission?

Again, this is a leap of faith here, but a possibility.

carnal_c30

01-07-2005, 02:27 AM

Ive been interested in the SC series for a while and I think it goes like this, please slap me if I am wrong. The Supra and SC300 share the same engine minus a few differences here or there, and quite possibly the same transmission. So if Lex/Toy was to swap the 1UZFE into the SC400, is there a higher probability they would simply use the same transmission as the SC300 instead of increasing production cost with a new transmission?

Again, this is a leap of faith here, but a possibility.

well, the 1UZ-FE is automatic only, there is no manual transmission available for it, the SC300/SC400 is built off of the Supra chassis, or should I say the Supra uses the SC chassis, but the 1UZ tranny is different than the 2JZ tranny because the V8 produces quite a bit more power, and if they dont bolt directly up to one another you have to make an adaptor plate like what was done here
the 5spd manual and 4spd auto in the SC300 are the same as NA Supras as far as I know, but the 1UZ trannies are different (4spd auto and 5spd auto 1998+)

I've been toying with the idea of bolting a Supra 6spd to my 1UZ-FE... I think I would enjoy it alot!

lsk12

01-07-2005, 04:22 AM

For those of you wanting more info Have a look at www.lextreme.com
you have to register for the forums but there is a lot of info there on the 1uzfe including manual conversions. Plus if you search for s13 youll find the details of this build up.

sciamop

01-07-2005, 08:07 AM

lsk12: I'm totally impressed! A couple things to note, though (you probably knew this already):

-- SCCA doesn't like 'hybrid' cars. Other sanctioning bodies move the vehicle to an oddball class. Not that you'd care -- you're in NZ!
-- Isn't the W55 the NA 1/2JZ transmission? It's pretty stout until you start throwing gobs of torque or drag racing it...

carnal_c30: With the inflated cost of the MKIV Supra, I'm surprised that the SC isn't wildly popular. I *think* a vvt-i 1JZ SC will be my next car... Isn't the Getrag impossible to find (and outrageously expensive)?

Todd
93 Coupe
91 SE-R

98sr20ve

01-07-2005, 11:04 AM

as for your sentra with a NA VE, you spent more money on your motor than he did on his... and you're driving a fwd sentra and he's driving a rwd s13 :2f2f:

Actually, I drive a 240 as well. And that poor FWD Sentra kicks a ton of RWD but at the track. You would be surprised at how fast a Sentra can be. My 240 will be turbo and my Sentra is going to be primarily a street car when the 240 is done.

carnal_c30

01-09-2005, 02:14 AM

carnal_c30: With the inflated cost of the MKIV Supra, I'm surprised that the SC isn't wildly popular. I *think* a vvt-i 1JZ SC will be my next car... Isn't the Getrag impossible to find (and outrageously expensive)?

Todd
93 Coupe
91 SE-R

yup if you can find one!! and when you do expect to pay 3-6 grand even for a used tranny, but it is a really sweet tranny... SCs are becoming more popular lately, but yea I'm surprised a 1995 Supra is still like 30k and a 1995 SC is only 10... drop in a low mileage 2jz-gte and tranny for 4-5 grand, and do some upgrades and you have a Lexus running with the big boys at the track and club night.... or you can even turbo the ge motor, one guy got 980+ hp on a stock block 2jz-ge
my reason for buying a 400 was that first of all it sounds so sweet, and second of all, I wouldnt be nearly as tempted to drop a 2jz-gte in it

s13dan

01-09-2005, 07:49 PM

carnal_c30

01-10-2005, 01:00 AM

I like the looks a but i thought that a V8 would mess up the wieght balance a lot and the whole toyota motor in a nissan thing is bustin my balls, funny thing is that my pretty close to stock, 8psi of boost, SR ran a 13.78 with 2.0 60foot..... but the car is different ill give it that..

but think of the V8 torque in a 2500lb car... more power no waiting, and I'm sure if he tuned it up a bit he could get even more, LS400s with bolt ons get into the mid 14s, and thats with more than 1000lbs more weight

and if he boosted that, it would be absolutely insane

also the weight isnt so bad, the 1UZ-FE is an all aluminium V8 and doesnt really weight too much, much lighter than an RB or anything like that

98sr20ve

01-10-2005, 05:34 AM

also the weight isnt so bad, the 1UZ-FE is an all aluminium V8 and doesnt really weight too much, much lighter than an RB or anything like that

Are you sure or just guessing. What did the car weight before and after the swap with the same amount of weight reduction.

carnal_c30

01-10-2005, 11:43 AM

Are you sure or just guessing. What did the car weight before and after the swap with the same amount of weight reduction.

well I remember doing research and I found that the 1UZ-FE was very comparable to the VQ30DE in weight which surprised me, and the VQ30 without heads and manifolds, you can carry it and drive it home in your front seat :D both motors are very very light

Ghettokracker71

01-10-2005, 04:42 PM

Crazy swaps rock..

-Bill

No doubt the work that goes into them is amazing,its just not my thing.....Thanks for the pics on the mustang,looks pretty crazy/nice

RedFC

01-10-2005, 05:47 PM

wow, very impressive. Oh, and I think that 13's are very impresive for a "stock" motor.

Dead Sexy!

carnal_c30

01-10-2005, 11:51 PM

wow, very impressive. Oh, and I think that 13's are very impresive for a "stock" motor.

Dead Sexy!

you know theres a FC with a VQ30DE-K motor? pretty impressive

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=320250

check it out :D

nistech

01-10-2005, 11:59 PM

even though that engine is light for a v8 doesnt it still make ur car front heavy

carnal_c30

01-11-2005, 12:32 AM

even though that engine is light for a v8 doesnt it still make ur car front heavy

how much does a KA weight? or an SR20DET? I'm not really sure but I know the VQ30DEK with manifold weighs 178lbs... the entire thing strip off the intake and exhaust manifolds and it weighs less than 100lbs...

the 1uz-fe from what I remember is not significantly more than that which surprised me

its much lighter than the other motors like RBs that people slap into 240s, and its more compact, sitting closer to the firewall, therefore increasing balance rather than taking away from it

98sr20ve

01-11-2005, 05:52 AM

how much does a KA weight? or an SR20DET? I'm not really sure but I know the VQ30DEK with manifold weighs 178lbs... the entire thing strip off the intake and exhaust manifolds and it weighs less than 100lbs...

the 1uz-fe from what I remember is not significantly more than that which surprised me

its much lighter than the other motors like RBs that people slap into 240s, and its more compact, sitting closer to the firewall, therefore increasing balance rather than taking away from it

The complete SR is about 220lbs. Manifolds and turbo.

lsk12

01-11-2005, 12:15 PM

Quoted factory weight for a ca18de with manual tranny is 1170kg not sure if thats dry or what. But this weighs 1160kg with a half tank of gas and full interior. Ive probably saved weight on the exhaust. The car is running very stiff suspension all round which probably helps with the handling. Ive had discussions with people about what more weight over the front would do to the handling of the car ie would it induce over or understeer? I would say there was more weight over the front than factory but probably no more than about 40kg. It turns in very well and hold nice line untill you apply more throttle when the tail gently slides out. Then its just a matter of working the throttle to hold the slide or bring it back in. So in my opinion and experience the handling hasnt been adversly affected by the V8. I understand that an sr20 running more boost would put out similar power but as ive said Im not chasing power. For drift and track work response and low down torque is far more fun. besides ever since you americans started buying all the SR20s out of Japan the prices have gone up so Id say this conversion would have cost me about the same as an sr20 swap. maybe a bit more work though:)

thanks for the comments sorry about the rave.

L