Offical Kicks Thread

[Zemus]

Easy question, what kind of shoes are you rockin.

I just recently kinda got into shoes a bit more, used to just kinda wear shoes that look ok, more skater style (DC, Vans, ect ect) Still really like those styles but starting to get more diffrent kinds.

My newest fav is an old'e but a good'e. The Puma Speedcats

http://images.puma.com/usstore/catalog/products/30046011.jpg
With that color setting.

GOD THEIR HOT, So nice for driving.

What are you guys rocking?

[Andrew Bohan]

classic adidas superstar
http://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/tyomora/img1048427459.jpeg

[Ghettokracker71]

Current shoes in no particular order...


How the hell do you spell plad? Plod? Plaid? Plaud? Whatever....High top Converse All stars baby! Best driving shoes in the world!

I just got a set of old school style Nike 20's for the job,and they are niiiiice for all day on my feet comfort.

Rebok DMX for teh gym


.....Okay,maybe I like shoes a little bit. Shut the fuck up :fawk:

[SilviaSativa]

I have those speedcats too, Seasme Brown/Coffee color though. They're awesome, but dirty as hell. I'll be buying the black ones next time!

[Replicant_S14]

What are you guys rocking?

WTF?
...LOL

http://altura.speedera.net/ccimg.catalogcity.com/210000/215900/215930/products/10043679.jpg
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/Item/81/20/03/i812003sq01.jpg

[S14DB]

Can't touch these:
http://www.bowling.com/images/products/large/K111-15.large.jpg

[s13Dr1ft]

Skate Shoes

Lakai- Soca's there Royal blue/grey leather

Ipath- Cricket's Tan/black

Ipath- Yogi's White/black

Circa- cx205 Royal blue/grey leather

Casual Shoes

Reebok Classics- black/white

Adidas classics

Nike Shox

Nike Air Force Ones- Camo...( becuse of a joke )

i have a few assorted sandles and what nots, house slippers and crap.

The old lady has 10x's the shoes and they mostly have the names Gucci and Armoni. :doh:

[s13Dr1ft]

oh and i have some Lugz driving shoes, Sparco's and some other racing shoes...

[Sil Beer S13]

I have adio's and emerica's.

[ruthlesstyper]

eS - Accel
http://www.theprime.com/_uploaded/skoptsov_es_accel_whtlghtgry.jpg

jordan iii
http://www.kicksology.net/images/reviews/nike/review_jordaniii_firered_34.jpg

But this is what I wear 90% of the time
http://www.localslippers.com/catalog/catalog-pics/slippers-locals-massageblack.JPG

=)

[stevo22]

Sporting the onitsuka Tiger Tai-Chi. Mine are black with red stripes though.

[KOUKI KA-T]

Skate Shoes

Lakai- Soca's there Royal blue/grey leather

Ipath- Cricket's Tan/black



Hmmmm. I seem to be circulating these same 2 pairs of shoes right now, except I've got the grey/Navy suede Soca's, and the hemp/navy Cricket's
As well as some black Lakai Vantage's, Black/gum Lakai Howard 2's, and the white/black leather Erik Ellington's.

Shoe whore represent.

[Salty_X]

An old pair of Adio's and some of these..

http://www.journeys.com/images/products/1_17105_FS.jpg

[Twinkie]

its all about Bam Margera!! VIVA LA BAM!!!!

http://av.warehousesports.com/sw/ProductImages/AOB2BB.JPG

[dnomyar]

i usually wear nike dunks
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/raytron/dunk_lo_gry_gra_red_6.jpg
or air trainer 1s
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/raytron/trainer1_bo1.jpg

[SoCalS14]

Six hole Doc Martin's...steel toe...especially for the kickin part!

[DocTaDrifT]

mocha jordan iii's (too bad they are messed up now)
black chucks with red stich
and about 15 other pairs not worthy to be listed

[ALTRNTV]

-brown/black Nike Dunks (never wear)
http://www.pickyourshoes.com/images/shoes/dunk_low_maple_blk_5.jpg
-all brown Nike Dunks (never wear)
http://www.pickyourshoes.com/images/shoes/dunk_sb_carhartt_shale_5.jpg
-all black Nike Dunks (never wear)
http://www.pickyourshoes.com/images/shoes/dunk_low_blk_gum_3.jpg
-all white Nike Air Force Ones mids (everyday)
-white/blue Adidas T-Mac 2's (basketball)
-gray/blue Nike Air Flight 89

[DocTaDrifT]

Can't touch these:
http://www.bowling.com/images/products/large/K111-15.large.jpg

bowling shoes btw i bowl and i have ABS shoes(its a brand not the breaks) in kangaroo leather but :gives:

[AlligatorBling]

http://i18.ebayimg.com/03/i/03/1c/cd/e2_1_b.JPG

[mrmephistopheles]

Some Asics for running, some Avia for everything else.
Gonna pick up some Dr Marten's boots soon.
That's about it.. I'm not one to give too much emphasis to footwear.

[TheSnail]

Here are my SpeedCats. They are have the most awsome feel. They kick ass for driving, and only driving. In the car you are God, step out the car and your a goofball. I highly recomend these for Track/hard core driving.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/p9e4c06ed734d1351d38adf582918879b/f5a0f5a5.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/p117ea1d14298d7e78e14fc8c3dd28cc7/f5a0f5a0.jpg

[twong85]

For daily use:
Blue chuck's with fat black laces
Nike Cortez
Nike Cortez 2000
Nike Dunk Low Pro's
Nike Air Force II's
Adidas Proshell's
Adidas Superstar's
Puma Replicat's (black/red)
Osiris D3 Team model

On the court:
Adidas T-Mac 3.5 (black...cause the white one is just plain ugly)

Running:
Asics Gel Verdict DS (10.2oz)

[AlligatorBling]

you know, i bet wrestling shoes would be good driving shoes.... anyone ever given this thought?

[FastBack 240]

http://www.shoeline.com/ECpublic/020/images/items/B350-9000.jpg For Winter corcoran xchange.


http://trailrunner.rocsport.com/obj/productpic/3ef0a70fed551.jpg
All season Adidas.

[SoCalS14]

you know, i bet wrestling shoes would be good driving shoes.... anyone ever given this thought?

Funny you should say that, because I have a pair in my closet...I wrestled for like 6 years...I noticed that some of the new styles, with the low, thin soles, remind me of wrestling shoes...

[stuntman240]

Funny you should say that, because I have a pair in my closet...I wrestled for like 6 years...I noticed that some of the new styles, with the low, thin soles, remind me of wrestling shoes...


I have a pair that I use for driving, they are pretty kick ass I would say. Not to mention to find Pumas or any other "driving" shoes in size 15 is impossible.

[S14DB]

bowling shoes btw i bowl and i have ABS shoes(its a brand not the breaks) in kangaroo leather but :gives:
I got a Nanodesu Lane Navi and I don't feel like spending $160 on a pair of bowling shoes.

[nissantuner22]

Am I the only one rocking the K Swiss?

[Brian]

http://www.journeys.com/images/products/1_23011_FS.jpg
for driving.

http://www.smoo.de/shop/artikel/pics_normal/4473.jpg
everyday.

http://www.shoesbox.net/images/products/clarks/14893-t.jpg
when i feel special.

http://www.oshmans.com/graphics/product_images/pG01-214369reg.jpg
when i need to do dirty work

[DocTaDrifT]

I got a Nanodesu Lane Navi and I don't feel like spending $160 on a pair of bowling shoes.
my step dad owns a pro shop so i get my stuff for cost i think i only paid 90

[prophet_19]

http://www.finishline.com/store/images/products/xl304746011.jpg


lovley

[gorgasm]

http://www.mita-sneakers.co.jp/other/1218mexico66-bkgr.jpg

&

http://sneakers.pair.com/s/vans-0.jpg

I keep it old skool.

[SilviaNinja240]

I just wear loafers or something comfy, sorta like this
http://altura.speedera.net/ccimg.catalogcity.com/210000/212700/212747/Products/6784702.jpg

[aa87]

http://www.oshmans.com/graphics/product_images/pG01-214369reg.jpg

[RBS14]

I'm glad someone made an "official" thread about the shoes people wear because if it were just a "kicks thread" I don't think anyone would post in it.

as if bragging about the car you drive isn't enough, we are bragging about the shoes we wear now? wow.

[d r i f t swift]

haha.. bragging? i havent posted any shoes in this thread.. but i sure as hell havent seen anything to brag about.

[Brian]

haha.. bragging? i havent posted any shoes in this thread.. but i sure as hell havent seen anything to brag about.

you must not have seen my kick ass Clarks Desert boots.

[gorgasm]

you must not have seen my kick ass Clarks Desert boots.
He must have missed those, now those are something to brag about.

[revat619]

http://a712.g.akamai.net/7/712/225/1d/www.eastbay.com/images/products/large/31937132_l.jpg
for training

http://a712.g.akamai.net/7/712/225/1d/www.eastbay.com/images/products/large/07058461_l.jpg
for sprinting. except mine are red where those are silver.

http://a712.g.akamai.net/7/712/225/1d/www.eastbay.com/images/products/large/9166_l.jpg
for driving

as for everyday, i do wear my chucks a lot, but it depends on what im doing cuz i have a lot of shoes, Usually though its something like this

http://a712.g.akamai.net/7/712/225/1d/www.eastbay.com/images/products/large/09967011_l.jpg

comfort is key! :D

[S14DriftR]

Chucks and shell toes. And some Locals Rubba slippas' too.

[TheSnail]

Goregasm is one of my fave site's, Sister site of Ogrish. Too graphic for virgin eyes. ;)

[MakotoS13]

the standard tan with gumsole vans and:
http://www.journeys.com/images/products/1_3634_FS.jpg
for special occaisions and work. the soles are huge so sometimes instead of the clutch i hit the brake... yeah... talk about freakin out someone on a highway...

[Zemus]

In the car you are God, step out the car and your a goofball.


Looks like im a goofball, heh, I just love the way they feel. I might get some dunks, they look very nice

[tractorcrusher]

http://www.journeys.com/images/products/1_25478_FS.jpg

[s14falcon]

Most of my time ill alternate between this
http://ak.buyservices.com/db_assets/large_images/996/200765996.jpg
and this
http://altura.speedera.net/ccimg.catalogcity.com/200000/204600/204694/Products/8623916.jpg
And the rest of the time i dont wear anyhting (shoe-wise).

[AKADriver]

I have some sort of reebok "classic" sneakers with soft thin soles and bright blue uppers with big fat white stripes for every day. haha. comfy.

I also have a pair of skechers low-top brown shoes with chunky soles that I wear when the weather's bad. The soles are too clunky for the S13's footwell, I mash two pedals at once if I'm not extra careful.

I also have all sorts of old sneakers that I wore out but keep around for whatever reason... mostly old converse all-stars, and a pair of reebok hiking shoes with the tread worn off the soles that are still otherwise comfy and complete.

I also have a pair of new balance sneakers that I haven't worn yet. haha. they're just light grey low top sneakers, I got them at the same time as the reeboks.

[Fastback180]

Shit, please do not get me started...

Just bought these,
http://i19.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/f4/ff/d1_1.JPG
http://i7.ebayimg.com/03/i/03/1f/b9/53_1_b.JPG
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/7002/dsc006058ni.jpg

Buy yeah, I wear all the Dunks I buy. And skate most of them. I usually skate the white/yellow/black AF2's and OG Adidas Fourms.

But I wear these most of the day...
http://www.milcompass.com/bootimages/junglethumb1.jpg

[Fastback180]

Next paycheck...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/adjustable/HPIM0399.jpg

[nismo2491]

steve madden (black w/ 4 tan stripes), american eagle gray tennissy looking ones, nike running shoes for working out, uhhh generic water shoes for jet skiing, skechers brown casual dress shoes, skechers black slip on dress shoes, timberland hiking boots that I actually hike in.
KEvin

[TiNMAN]

nike blazer high, im an ex-jordan collector but stopped after high school. dunks are cool, only own a pair though. not sure which ones they are..they're the leather ones with gum bottoms. theyre not ostrich or the ones with the suede that came out in the stores..all i know is that they're SB's. bahh..yeaaa...NIKE BLAZER HIGH...maybe ill take pics of my kicks if i get bored...maybe not! :doh:

[i-love-my-s14]

its all about Bam Margera!! VIVA LA BAM!!!!

http://av.warehousesports.com/sw/ProductImages/AOB2BB.JPG
Hey i have those same shoes, did you know that phil, bam's dad wears the same ones?

[iMAGE976]

http://a712.g.akamai.net/7/712/225/1d/www.eastbay.com/images/products/large/113898_l.jpg
Every Day Kicks

http://a712.g.akamai.net/7/712/225/1d/www.eastbay.com/images/products/large/538467_l.jpg
Driving Kicks W/ GoodYear Soles :rawk:

[Heartwork]

i would love to find and afford a pair of these and see how good they actually are, ahha
Bapesta
http://homepage2.nifty.com/bape/bapesta2.JPG

and i've worn these ever since they came out in '94 ish and re-released a couple years back again, since they are the greatest skateshoe EVER ;) owned almost every single color
Etnies Sal 23
http://www.skateboardsrus.com/simages/l-sal23-whtblk.jpg

[revat619]

i would love to find and afford a pair of these and see how good they actually are, ahha
Bapesta
http://homepage2.nifty.com/bape/bapesta2.JPG



My brother has 2 pairs of those in some weird flashy colors, but he knows where to get them really cheap. When he gets home, i'll ask him about it. The ones he has are goofy lookin to me. I'll post some pics later.

[Brian]

and i've worn these ever since they came out in '94 ish and re-released a couple years back again, since they are the greatest skateshoe EVER ;) owned almost every single color
Etnies Sal 23
http://www.skateboardsrus.com/simages/l-sal23-whtblk.jpg


You remember when they changed the Sal 23s to the E's instead of the 23?
dude. back in the day, Sal 23s were the shit. hands down. i never actually owned a pair though. i did have the very first Koston's though. and the Marc Johnson's were nice too.

[S14DB]

Next paycheck...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/adjustable/HPIM0399.jpg
WTF are they?

[d r i f t swift]

WTF are they?

rayguns. i shoulda got the hawaiis when i had the chance. damnit!

[DRFT]

My brother has 2 pairs of those in some weird flashy colors, but he knows where to get them really cheap. When he gets home, i'll ask him about it. The ones he has are goofy lookin to me. I'll post some pics later.
you sure they aint fake ones for cheap? cause there are a lot of variants out there. my bro got a pair of the NY ones. came with a really fancy box.

normally I rock Nike FCs and dunks.

I just sold a pair of Forbes hunters a few weeks ago too!

[revat619]

you sure they aint fake ones for cheap? cause there are a lot of variants out there. my bro got a pair of the NY ones. came with a really fancy box.

normally I rock Nike FCs and dunks.

I just sold a pair of Forbes hunters a few weeks ago too!

I dunno , they could be. But if they are then they're a damn good knock off! I sure as hell cant tell the difference!

[S14DB]

rayguns. i shoulda got the hawaiis when i had the chance. damnit!
Roswell Rayguns?

[Fastback180]

i would love to find and afford a pair of these and see how good they actually are, ahha
Bapesta
http://homepage2.nifty.com/bape/bapesta2.JPG

http://www.skateboardsrus.com/simages/l-sal23-whtblk.jpg


Hey Heartwork, I can get you some of those. They got a Bape store in London. They ARE pretty nice. I rock a pair of the white/silver dunk ones.
And dude, the Sal Barbiers....I had em all. Man that's memories right there!
My favorite shoes were the tan 23's and the black/red OG Kostons.

Yeah, Roswell Rayguns.

Ohh yeah, if anyone would get a kick out of this, I've got my Orchard Street "Wanted" poster being framed right now! :D
http://www.freshnessmag.com/archive2003/0803/popup/orchard_street/orchard_street.jpg

[Heartwork]

You remember when they changed the Sal 23s to the E's instead of the 23?
dude. back in the day, Sal 23s were the shit. hands down. i never actually owned a pair though. i did have the very first Koston's though. and the Marc Johnson's were nice too.

hahah, i dont remember exactly the 23's being replaced by the E....

but i also had every color of Koston 1's....i even had a Prototype color 6 months before they got released :) Second best skateshoe ever :)
remeber those ugly ass Etnies SCREW? ugggggly, buuuuuut those things had fifty fucking layers of leather/rubber, very durable
and the first line of DC Shoes were nice before they got all high tech and basketball like =\

[Zemus]

http://www.shoes.com/productimages/shoes_ia55115.jpg


These might be my next shoes, their super hot, I like em alot. Your guys 2 cents?

[JtWo]

I have too many shoes....lotsa nike...lotsa converse(not just chucks)...lotsa asics...a few vans...Yeahhhhhh boyyy....those are the only ones I really wear.

[Fastback180]

here's what i'm skating on right now...
(can't show you what i'm styling on)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/hankparker/DSCF0293.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/hankparker/DSCF0303.jpg

[ruthlesstyper]

^that pic looks really funny. front board?

[Fastback180]

yeah.
there's an even funnier shot for ya.

http://img80.exs.cx/img80/5707/dunk27pv.jpg
http://img80.exs.cx/img80/596/dunk32ju.jpg
http://img80.exs.cx/img80/9720/dunk45nz.jpg
http://img80.exs.cx/img80/9963/dunk50vh.jpg

[S14DB]

You people like shoes way too much.

[WhiteNissanS13]

http://images.eluxury.com/assets_server/product/10773066/p10773066_ph_hero.jpg
$545
http://images.eluxury.com/assets_server/product/10539966/p10539966_ph_hero.jpg
$440

[vvtisupra]

http://vans.speedera.net/shop.vans.com/image/4554676B.jpg

http://www.sneakerland.com/images/large/NSS_1044BWD_large.jpg

http://rbk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pOLDSKU01-160004reg.jpg

[s14falcon]

http://images.eluxury.com/assets_server/product/10773066/p10773066_ph_hero.jpg
$545


They sell that same shit at kmart for like 10 dollars, except the kmart ones have velcro. Seriousy wtf shoe costs 545 dollars? Bally shoes or something?

[Phlip]

I'm with Driftaholic, I am generally wearing a pair of Adidas Shelltoes, but we canb't wear sneakers to work anymore, I work in a call center, so I have taken it to the Clarks Wallabee British walking shoe...

http://www.shoes.com/productimages/shoes_il04063.jpg

[WhiteNissanS13]

They sell that same shit at kmart for like 10 dollars, except the kmart ones have velcro. Seriousy wtf shoe costs 545 dollars? Bally shoes or something?

louis vuitton

[citizen]

louis vuitton
plz go buy a mercedes you pretentious asshat~

[kingsol]

i wear shoes with velcro. shoe laces confuse me

[rainier]

i have a couple pairs of dunks. but they're all dirty so not worth the bandwidth.

[WhiteNissanS13]

plz go buy a mercedes you pretentious asshat~


i actually just recently acquired a bmw 5 series. i like bimmers better than benz's

[Twinkie]

Hey i have those same shoes, did you know that phil, bam's dad wears the same ones?

Hell yeah!...and i think thats awesome! it would be so cool if my dad sported them Adios. totally heartgram style.

[zaneithan]

Adidas Sambas right now, i used to be a hardcore DC shoe co guy though

[Brian]

hahah, i dont remember exactly the 23's being replaced by the E....

but i also had every color of Koston 1's....i even had a Prototype color 6 months before they got released :) Second best skateshoe ever :)
remeber those ugly ass Etnies SCREW? ugggggly, buuuuuut those things had fifty fucking layers of leather/rubber, very durable
and the first line of DC Shoes were nice before they got all high tech and basketball like =\


haha the VERY first prototypes? had no airbubble. and i think they were white or grayish or something. a light color anyways.
it's awesome that the ystill make Koston's i think one of my favorite was the blue with gum sole. i think they made those without an air bubble way back when, but i don't recall for sure. i know they had white and gum and black and gum with no airbubble.
i owned, white leather with red sole, light grayish/bluish with clear sole, and i think one more pair of Kostons.

[MakotoS13]

i actually just recently acquired a bmw 5 series. i like bimmers better than benz's

keep wastin green like that on ugly shoes and you'll have to put it up for sale pretty soon.

in the last two years i bought two pairs of shoes and guess what... they still work!

fuggin wow.

[Fastback180]

If anyone's interested, I've got some of the Euro white Raygun Dunks for sale. $215
Shoot me an e-mail, [email protected] if you're interested.

[nistech]

http://store1.yimg.com/I/jaysonlinestore_1827_701062

[Fastback180]

London Dunks (Thames river)
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunklowsblondon/dunklowsblondonGRnt.jpg
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunklowsblondon/dunklowsblondonGRlogont.jpg

Unlucky 13 prototypes...
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunkhighsbunlucky13prototype/dunkhighsbftunluckybacknt.jpg
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunkhighsbunlucky13prototype/dunkhighsbftunlucky2nt.jpg

3zero dunks...
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunkhigh3zero/dunkhigh3zero4nt.jpg

Lucky 7 prototypes...
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunkhighsblucky7prototype/dunkhighsbftluckynt.jpg
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunkhighsblucky7prototype/dunkhighsbftlucky6nt.jpg

Deftones...
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunkhighdeftone/dunkhighdeftonesnt.jpg
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunkhighdeftone/dunkhighdeftoneslogont.jpg

"When the east is in the house. (ohh my god) DANGER!" -Blahzay Blahzay
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunklowsbzooyork/dunklowsbzooyork5nt.jpg
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunklowsbzooyork/dunklowsbzooyork2nt.jpg

Danny Supa...
http://www.samplekickz.com/image/store/pic/dunklowsbsupa/dunklowsbsupa3nt.jpg

[KoukiMonster]

delta force
http://www.pickyourshoes.com/images/shoes/d_force_lo_wht_gry.jpg
air force 1
http://www.pickyourshoes.com/images/shoes/af1_low_wht_roy_blk.jpg
adidas kevin garnett attitudes mid
http://www.kidzworld.com/multimedia/adidaskgbig.jpg

then ive had stan smiths and superstars


while i was browsing for pics i found these..they look pretty pimp look at the detail

http://www.rakuten.co.jp/essense/463718/512779/

http://www.rakuten.co.jp/essense/img1025682922.jpeg

there are some really cool shoes on that site

[Fastback180]

got em in the mail today...

http://www.photodump.com/direct/hankparker/DSCF0328.jpg

[Zemus]

Damn, I need to get some dunks.. their HOT

[Sneaker Chimp]

Wow dunks are the trend now eh. I remember when rocking "retro shoes" was weak now everyone has them. Come now guys lets post pictures of "YOUR" shoes not the ones you want on NT or eBay. Well anyways I got Tokyos size 7.5 and 8 new in box neverworn, Heinys same size, denims and Zooyorks. hidden somewhere in my room. All for sale. all deadstock Get at me on NT. (nike talk) Oh and wallabees are so damn comfy I love them. I always tend to roll my ankle in them. WATCH OUT FOR VARIANTS AND FAKES.

[Fastback180]

man i use to get made fun of cause i'd rock the Adidas Dallas' (for those who don't know, the 3 velcro strapped shoe)....those were the jam, and Fourms. those were the first "retro" (if you wanna cell them that) shoes i wore. that was back in like 9th grade.

be prepared Zemus...you gotta balance your life style, shoe/nissan
getting some of those nice dunks will cost you about as much as a set of tires.
so you gotta balance your pay check...one pay check, get a pair of shoes and live off rice and wonder bread...the next paycheck...get some new end links, and maybe a wing, eat ribs and deli sandwiches...man i can't wait for car week. :p

but i got those Unluckys off a Britt for fairly cheap.
i'll take a pic of my closet pretty soon. i just ran out of room today cause i got the Regean Blue/Thunderstorm Delta Forces.

[KA24DESOneThree]

http://www.journeys.com/images/products/1_3634_FS.jpg
for special occaisions

Like when you wanna dress up like a Goth chick?

I wear Puma Replicat Mid IIIs sometimes (ok, most of the time) and Puma Hammer 20s sometimes.