can someone compair ...

[teruya01]

version:select replica VS raceonusa. for a s14 model
i was told that replicas (raceonusa) never fit good and looks as well. however i heard that versionselect is alright...can anyone say this is so? compair the two plz. what part do u have? any other colors than the black ones i see on the net. thanks

[SilviaDriver]

since you hear two stories, which story would u rather experience? V:S is ur choice

[fliprayzin240sx]

Ive never seen a raceone/gtp kit fit for shiet. Version select on the other hand isnt bad. Ive seen em both on a Kouki and a Zenki. The kouki fitment was perfect but the zenki was off a lil but then again this was when they just first came out. Id drop the $700-800 on version select since all it needs is paint. Raceone....expect to pay $1000 JUST to make it f*ckin fit.

[KiDyNomiTe]

I have seen quite a few of the different version select kits on cars, considering I live near TF (and installed one). They fit very well, never had any first hand expereince with Raceonusa stuff, but so far from pictures I have seen they fit like crap, and break easily.

On the version select site there are pics of a couple s14 kits.

Here are some I snagged

http://www.versionselect.com/images/blues14.jpg
http://www.versionselect.com/images/driftunit6.jpg

Go to drift unit site for more of the white one. Search around and you should see one in green (I can't remember his username for the life of me).

[HyperTek]

u guys are basing your judgement on raceonusa's kits yet none of you guys even tried thier kits... so All u got to judge is on version select.

[Phlip]

Or maybe even comPARE them?

[zero.counter]

This is something I would like to see someone post about as well. Using the raceon usa kit and giving a writeup that is. It is one of those, "don't knock it if you ain't tried it", things.

[driftyour40]

Go to drift unit site for more of the white one. Search around and you should see one in green (I can't remember his username for the life of me).

Heartwork, is his name. Look in the post, ouch..pics.

[KiDyNomiTe]

well then they must be doing something wrong. Either no1 is buying their kits, or nobody is happy enough to post reviews. v:S did a smart thing and got some of thier customers to post pics of the kits. And they also posted reviews on many different forums, all good ones.

[Jeff240sx]

Look up maxtype_240 or some variation (maybe no underscore _ ). He has a V:S kit.
-Jeff

[revat619]

version select, raceone usa, etc......regardless of quality, they're still knock offs that under cut the guys trying to sell the real thing and that sucks.

[Maxtype 240]

Some of things I've said about my sides and rears:

VS aero is super excellent fitment but didn't come with pre-drilled holes. Rigid and heavy compared to the Ings RSpec Hybrid. It actually was too snug on the skirts, cracking them a hair but nothing filler couldn't take care of.

Just a few more comments on the transformation:

1. I purchased the version:Select sides and rear from Touge Factory. I spoke to them prior to the online purchase and customer service was very helpful/satisfactory.
2. They shipped the same day I ordered
3. Excellent packaging and shipping time
4. Price: At the time, they were the best deal - $780 shipped

Props to Touge Factory!


Jesse

PS - Here's a shot of the rear/side (more in site):
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/5/web/581000-581999/581535_74_full.jpg

[axiomatik]

Or maybe even comPARE them?

Thank you for being the spelling police (and I'm not being sarcastic). The rampant mispelling of simple words (compair, scheem, etc) drives me crazy, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'm glad someone is doing their part to promote proper spelling and grammar.

[RSP13-Sideways]

version select, raceone usa, etc......regardless of quality, they're still knock offs that under cut the guys trying to sell the real thing and that sucks.

This is true, however they are not knock off's of US based companies. If these Japanese companies were to make their way to the US and sell their bumpers for a little less, I'm sure no one would have a problem buying from them. Hell it would save us in shipping fees at least.

When Japanese companies refuse to setup shop in the US (JBlood, GP, etc) and sell front bumpers for $600US+$250 for shipping, you cannot expect a lot of business. You can expect a company to knock off your product and make high quality replicas though.

[RiversideS13]

you can buy real M-sport and Wise Sports from here: http://www.renovaauto.com/shop.do?action=as&c=162400&m=0

they are exclusive importer/distributor

[KiDyNomiTe]

There are subtle differences in v:S kits, so they aren't exact copies.

[pruto]

the only problem is, the Verson Select kits have become the next FN-01RC, or SP1. everyone and their mother is going to have it on their 240 soon.

[KiDyNomiTe]

There are 3 differnt v:S kits and soon to be more.
There aren't really that many good kits out there to begin w/, all the good ones look the same.

Then there is Origin kits (2), a little more money but not much. 240s in general are becoming fn01rc ...

[Heartwork]

personally, i think the V:S kits are nice....they fit however you want them to fit....thats why they arent predrilled (keep cost/time down from manufacturing company)...its easy to line up and just drill away

at first they feel a bit flimsy, at least i thought they were, but my bumper survived and is still in one piece! hit the bumper at 40-45 mph at a 45 degree angle. i was expecting much worse...

http://dma.sjsu.edu/~art101a2/pham/images/bumper.jpg

[mav1178]

This is true, however they are not knock off's of US based companies. If these Japanese companies were to make their way to the US and sell their bumpers for a little less, I'm sure no one would have a problem buying from them. Hell it would save us in shipping fees at least.

When Japanese companies refuse to setup shop in the US (JBlood, GP, etc) and sell front bumpers for $600US+$250 for shipping, you cannot expect a lot of business. You can expect a company to knock off your product and make high quality replicas though.


And even if a Japanese company were to set up shop..... the exchange rate blows.

Kits made in Taiwan or China or elsewhere are CHEAP compared to what is imported from Japan, especially with the weak U.S. dollar. And add insult to injury... the Chinese renmingbi is linked directly to the USD so the rate never changes (even though the market says if it was freely traded there would be a 25% swing in valuation).

So.... even if a Japanese company were to set up shop, the end result is still the same.

Copy kits imported from other parts of Asia will ALWAYS be cheaper than JDM stuff.

-alex

[Ian]

am i the only person who is obsessed w/ the wise sports S14?

[revat619]

This is true, however they are not knock off's of US based companies. If these Japanese companies were to make their way to the US and sell their bumpers for a little less, I'm sure no one would have a problem buying from them. Hell it would save us in shipping fees at least.

When Japanese companies refuse to setup shop in the US (JBlood, GP, etc) and sell front bumpers for $600US+$250 for shipping, you cannot expect a lot of business. You can expect a company to knock off your product and make high quality replicas though.

but why should japanese companies have to offer they're products for less? So cheap americans can be happy? Thats rediculous. There's a reason why higher quality parts cost more. Justifying knock off bodykits due to the cost of the real thing is just being cheap. I hate how the market has become since the surge of popularity for the 240. Everbody is looking for a quick deal. Nobody wants to pay for anything. Hence the reason there's sooo many lowballers nowadays when you try to sell something. Its almost impossible.

oh and subtle differences for the vs kits........riiiiiiight

dont kid yourself, we all know their kits are direct imitations of vertex, msports, and uras/bn sports. nice try though. :bow:

[zero.counter]

In defense of consumers looking for the better deal and understanding their angle...

Happiness in life is not determined by how much is purchased at the shopping mall, but by satisfactions received from family, leisure, personal and spiritual growth, and friendships if anything.

Being cheap or frugal could be interpreted as a lifestyle trait reflecting disciplined acquisition and resourcefulness in product and service use. Frugality could be defined as a sacrifice in denying a series of short-term purchasing whims and industriousness by resourcefully using what is already owned or available for use. All of this is done in service of achieving long-term goals. In other words, do as your grandparents probably would have said, “Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without”, the old cliche goes.

If you do have to buy something, buy carefully to satisfy a real need, not just a whim or desire to ‘keep up with the the other guy.

Frugal people are less materialistic and susceptible to impulse buying than the frugally challenged. They tend to be self-disciplined, and are more value and price conscience. They are conscientious people in this respect. These are people who realize that all those nickels and dimes do add up to something substantial.


"Penny-pinchers" use products and services resourcefully by stretching out what they already may own. This can range from timing water usage in showers and eating last night’s leftovers to washing and reusing disposable zip-top plastic bags for later use.

To understand and measure frugality is important in terms of explaining how consumers use goods and services, and it may spell out a cogent aspect in understanding a general satisfaction with life.

Not all Americans benefit from the current economy; the gap between the rich and poor is growing.
It is possible that many recent millionaires/billionaires achieved their long-term goals with a healthy dose of frugality. In contrast, the non-frugal argue that “life is too short” and too often indulge in the sleek car, trendy vacation or big tip to impress a date. In the end, the less frugal are much less likely to reach a long-term goal.

Just because they are looking for a deal and purchase from someone who sells a knock-off trying to save an extra buck does not put them at fault. The fault lies with the company selling the item(s) in question and the lack fo competition from the originators of the products in question to offer goods at an acceptable price to the mainstream consumer.



In advocation of the companies whose products are copied in some fashion...
The legal basis for protecting original design is the First Amendment to the Constitution states "[The Congress shall have power] To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to the respective writings and discoveries.


There are plenty of hypothetical, ethical or stylistic questions about whether knocking off original design is acceptable. But the bottom line is, knock-offs cheapen brand equity, steal profits from the rightful recipients and hurt the industry's integrity in the minds of consumers.

The consequences of knock-offs differ based on the situation. Whether the victim is a large, national company or a small, family-owned business, knock-offs can cost original designers/creators thousands of dollars in legal expenses, and hundreds of hours in administrative, creative and manufacturing time as the cases are pursued.

For the rip-off artists who break the law, legal consequences include statutory damages of up to $150,000 per work infringed, attorneys fees, actual damages such as lost profits, injunctions, seizure orders etc.

As we know, there is a victim in this situation, and it is the creator/designer of the said products in question being, "knocked-off." If there are patents in place, protecting the original designs, then there is no question that what is being done is illegal. However, we must learn to embrace capitalism for what it is.

[nightwalker]

unfortunately for said companies being victimized, obtaining a patent on an auto-body product is difficult because the product is "general", and not specific enough. Some companies though have gone the extra length to obtain patents (Veilside) and as far as I know have pursued companies selling knock offs of their patented products.

[psychedelicbeats]

^^^ this is what we night dwellers typically post up and read :eek3:

[revat619]

zero counter, i understand your point totally.

However, my issue is with what today's mainstream consumer defines as an "acceptable price". 4 + years ago nobody carried anything for our cars. Anything that you could get had to be special ordered and you'd have to wait atleast a month to get it. And im not talking just bodykits and wheels either. And you paid a hansome price for this stuff. BUT people didnt complain because it was just how things were and they were getting good stuff.

Now, our cars are more popular than ever and a new bloodsucking hype driven knock off company is founded everyday. Everything from bodykits to seats to suspension parts to wheels. Yes, the prices are lower, but so is quality. And because of this, people wanna piss and moan about how high end japanese parts prices are too high. So now to keep up with companies that have copied their products, japanese companies are supposed to sacrifice the quality of their own goods to compete and make their prices "acceptable" to the mainstream consumer? IMO, thats just unfair.

I just hate this "i think its too expensive so change your prices or else" attitude. I'm seeing so many companies and shops(the one i work for included) and friends lose money trying to bring in the nice stuff and customers getting mad at them because their prices are"unacceptable". Its just really frustrating....

[KiDyNomiTe]

I hate how the market has become since the surge of popularity for the 240. Everbody is looking for a quick deal.
Knockoff kits aren't a US thing, there are sooooo many knockoff kits in Japan, way before 240s got popular. It just took time for someone to bring them here. Everyone is looking for an affordable deal, sorry we aren't all rolling in dough.

Most people who buy knockoffs do it because they don't get their kits for free and actually drive there cars. I know when I get my kit I am gonna end up screwing it up, but instead of paying out of my ass to get a new on, and drive around a car with no front cuz I am waiting for money and the kit to come in. I can just drive up to TF and pick up another one, get it resprayed and be on with my life.

This has been done for years and people who wanted real vertex or real URAS will still get it, but I doubt they will be driving their cars as much as us with a cheap knockoff.

[Ian]

renova used to sell a great wise sports copy...i cant find it anymore though :(

[Doriftomodachi]

version:select replica VS raceonusa. for a s14 model
i was told that replicas (raceonusa) never fit good and looks as well. however i heard that versionselect is alright...can anyone say this is so? compair the two plz. what part do u have? any other colors than the black ones i see on the net. thanks

I am amazed at how TERRIBLE people are at spelling these days. The correct spelling is COMPARE.

[RSP13-Sideways]

And even if a Japanese company were to set up shop..... the exchange rate blows.

Kits made in Taiwan or China or elsewhere are CHEAP compared to what is imported from Japan, especially with the weak U.S. dollar. And add insult to injury... the Chinese renmingbi is linked directly to the USD so the rate never changes (even though the market says if it was freely traded there would be a 25% swing in valuation).

So.... even if a Japanese company were to set up shop, the end result is still the same.

Copy kits imported from other parts of Asia will ALWAYS be cheaper than JDM stuff.

-alex

True Alex, the rates would almost be the same but we could at least save money on shipping rates.

Kit's manufactured overseas in Taiwan and China will always be very inexpensive but on the flipside, don't expect a super beautiful kit for $300US.

Back to my main point though, it's ok for a US based company to make high quality replicas of Japan based companies.

[okis14]

version:select replica VS raceonusa. for a s14 model
i was told that replicas (raceonusa) never fit good and looks as well. however i heard that versionselect is alright...can anyone say this is so? compair the two plz. what part do u have? any other colors than the black ones i see on the net. thanks


I bought a Raceoneusa kit. I gues I should do a writeup of somekind as something like this was asked on NICO.

Here was my reply to them







I'm actually putting it on now so it’s not completely installed.
I knew that they wouldn't be perfect since it's cheap but there were a few things that are just inexcusable.

Before I bought it I talked to them to see when they might be able to ship it out. I never could get a real answer from them. The best thing I got was “Your credit card will be charged when it ships”. I saw them selling kits on Ebay so I got one from there, as it is much cheaper.

I can’t remember all the exact dates off the top of my head but I have it all in email. First they said I had to pay an extra $30 to ship it to a residential address however, their Ebay auction specifically said that I could ship it to a business or residential address for the same price.
They emailed me back saying sorry about that (Could be a common mistake so no hard feelings) then asked me for my information. I sent it to them and waited for a couple weeks.
I finally emailed them to see what’s up. They said they were waiting on the information. I got a little upset and sent it to them along with the old email. I feel they could have did a little more to get the information even if the original email was lost somehow. You know, being proactive and folowing through. I did buy it off Ebay and they could have contacted me from there.

They then said that they don’t have any at the moment. I originally ordered the Hippo Sleek. They said they have the INGZ one ready to go if I wanted that. So I took that one. I actually preferred that one to the Hippo anyways but they didn’t have it on Ebay at that time. I finally got the kit about 2 weeks later.

I put on the front and sides so far. I got the INGZ kit for a 97. I also had the real INGZ front bumper when I was in Japan so I know how it is supposed to fit. I’ve done a lot of Fiberglass work in the past so I know how to use it. I’m no pro by any means but I can make what I want. I just don’t have the patience for it so I don’t really do it unless I need to.

There are a lot of little nicks and dings all over it and there is a nice chunk missing on the rear bumper. Just about every corner needs some fiberglass on it and sanding it down or just sanding it smoother.

My front bumper fit OK. I had to lean on the sides and screw it into the fender so it would line up. When I say lean I mean actually putting my body weight and then some as it was a little wider then it should have been.
I had to cut off about 2 inches or fiberglass that goes behind the signal lights. I don’t know why they put that there. It covers the hole for the bulb to go in. If you leave it then it is impossible to get the bulb in.
There is also a 1 mm line that must be sanded down.
Here is a picture of just the front on.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/2slow2race/2a50667f.jpg
Notice by the wheel well the sanded area. It isn’t perfectly smooth. It looks like they molded the end pieces separately and then added it on later. Then tried to sand it smooth but it is a half-assed job. It isn’t all the way down and in some places it looks like the used a hand grinder to cut it down. Some fiberglass definitely needs to fill it in to smooth it out.

It took me about 4 hours but I also had to cut my bumper support among other things. I would say if everything was done to the car it should have taken about 30 minutes – 1½ hours just to get it on. It still needs some fine-tuning too. It also looks like the front points up a little.

I just put the sides on last night.
The driver side was a very bad fit. It doesn’t fit exactly how it should and is approx ½” short. The end corner pieces cracked, as I had to really push and pull the end pieces out to get it on. I ended up trimming about 1/8” at each corner and was able to get it to fit but it’s snug as hell and is slightly off. You really can’t tell though. I almost said screw it and was about to cut it in half to extend it.
The passenger side went on pretty good. It was snug and I did very little trimming to the same spots. It also cracked in the corners like the other side did. Each side took me about 30 - 40 minutes to get on. That includes taking the OEM ones off.

I may be putting the rear on tonight. Hopefully it fits right but I doubt it.

After everything is on it’s going to take about 4-6 hours to touch it up and be ready to get primered. Maybe more.

If you put it on yourself and can work with fiberglass to fix the imperfections then it isn’t that bad. If you pay a shop to do it I would expect it to cost anywhere from $250 - $1000 to get them to fit. It all depends on the shop.
Also it’s fiberglass. It will crack easily so it may not fit your needs. For me if my bumper is going to crack it doesn’t matter what it’s made out of because my whole front would probably be gone.

Would I buy from them again? Probably, depending if I don’t mind spending 10 – 15 hours to get it on and fixed.

I think that if they spend a few more hours making it fit properly and removing all the little problems that they kits would be nice. Not as good as the real stuff but just nice.

It’s definitely one of those things that you get what you paid for.

I'll put up pictures when I get the rear on.



I added this later to the NICO post



Here are some pictures I just took.

http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/t1.jpg http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/t2.jpg http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/t3.jpg
http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/1.jpg
http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/2.jpg
http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/3.jpg

http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/tPassenger_Front.JPG http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/tPassenger_Front2.JPG http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/tPassenger_Rear.JPG
http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/dri...t.JPG (http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/Passenger_Front.JPG)
http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/dri...2.JPG (http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/Passenger_Front2.JPG)
http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/dri...r.JPG (http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/Passenger_Rear.JPG)

http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/tPassenger_Front_Bumper.JPG http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/tDriver_Front.JPG http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/tDriver_Rear.JPG
http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/dri...r.JPG (http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/Passenger_Front_Bumper.JPG)
http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/dri...t.JPG (http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/Driver_Front.JPG)
http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/dri...r.JPG (http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/Driver_Rear.JPG)

http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/tDriver_Front_Bumper.JPG
http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/dri...r.JPG (http://okifx.dynu.com:8383/drift/images/temp/tDriver_Front_Bumper.JPG)






Once I touch up all the problems and paint it, it should come out nice.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: to all those arguing over buying/selling a fake kit. Who cares. If it's cheap and looks good I don't care if someone hand made it in their back yard (Actually I'd salute you) but I'd still rock it.

[revat619]

Knockoff kits aren't a US thing, there are sooooo many knockoff kits in Japan, way before 240s got popular. It just took time for someone to bring them here. Everyone is looking for an affordable deal, sorry we aren't all rolling in dough.

Most people who buy knockoffs do it because they don't get their kits for free and actually drive there cars. I know when I get my kit I am gonna end up screwing it up, but instead of paying out of my ass to get a new on, and drive around a car with no front cuz I am waiting for money and the kit to come in. I can just drive up to TF and pick up another one, get it resprayed and be on with my life.

This has been done for years and people who wanted real vertex or real URAS will still get it, but I doubt they will be driving their cars as much as us with a cheap knockoff.

Dude, I never said nobody didnt want to save money. And i never said people had to be rolling in dough either. I for dang sure AM NOT rich. I dont even have a kit on my own car. Of course everyone wants to save money man, thats obvious...

My problem is how people justify stealing a companies original design and selling their copy and people saying thats ok because the original "cost too much". Its stuff like this that put the those original companies and they're distributers out of business. I'm a consumer just like you man and i want to save money just as much as the next guy, however im also in the aftermarket parts business too and i have friends that are and we lose money daily because of all these knock off companies. I'm sure if you designed something, you wouldn't want somebody to copy your design and make money off of it and put you out of business for selling it cheaper. Wouldn't you be just a tad bit pissed?

I know people are gonna buy knock off stuff, thats a given. I just want people to look at it from our stand point as business (or any parts retailer/distributer for that matter) before they start pissin and moanin about the prices of high quality products.

[WWW.RACEONUSA.COM]

Let me clear some stuff up


We are distributors of Version Select, we sell a lot of their kits, the stuff on our website that says "MADE IN JAPAN" is the version select stuff.. If it's not on our website but version select carries it we can get it for you.

The version select stuff is made in Japan and blows all the china / overseas stuff away. The fitment and finish of the version select is perfect!
Here's the version select stuff..
VERSION SELECT stuff we distribute (http://www.raceonusa.com/index.asp?PageAction=ADVSEARCH&Page=1&txtSearchAllWords=japan&txtSearchExactPhrase=&txtSearchWithOneOfTheWords=&txtSearchWithoutTheWords=&lngLookinCategoryID=0&txtSortOrder=1&intResults=25&btnSearch=Search&AdvSearchAction=GOFETCH)

The stuff we make is made in the USA. You can see this on our website. We don't made a lot of stuff, but the stuff we do make, we have detailed pictures of..
Here's the stuff we manufacture...
FRP stuff we make (http://www.raceonusa.com/index.asp?PageAction=MFGSEARCH&ManfID=93&Page=1) CARBON stuff we make (http://www.raceonusa.com/index.asp?PageAction=MFGSEARCH&ManfID=95&Page=1)


The other stuff is usually overseas, sometimes it's made in the usa , but not by us, for instance the INGZ kit pictures.. still definately a good deal for the price.
Other stuff we Distribute (http://www.raceonusa.com/index.asp?PageAction=MFGSEARCH&ManfID=1&Page=1)

Anyways, hope this clears up any confusion, I'm not here to flame people or go off on anyone.

[RSP13-Sideways]

My problem is how people justify stealing a companies original design and selling their copy and people saying thats ok because the original "cost too much". Its stuff like this that put the those original companies and they're distributers out of business. I'm a consumer just like you man and i want to save money just as much as the next guy, however im also in the aftermarket parts business too and i have friends that are and we lose money daily because of all these knock off companies. I'm sure if you designed something, you wouldn't want somebody to copy your design and make money off of it and put you out of business for selling it cheaper. Wouldn't you be just a tad bit pissed?

Remember by companies selling a single product can charge whatever! They can charge $2000 for a complete bodykit because no one else manufactures the same exact one, so they have the market cornered. If you want that kit badly, you have to pay $2000, even if it costs them $350 to manufacture.

When people knock-off kits, it fosters business and promotes lower pricing from both sides. The original manufacture will have to lower pricing and cut profits in order to compete with the knock-offs. It all balances out in the end, if a company goes under because of knock-offs then they just don't know how to run a business.....

[KiDyNomiTe]

Dude, I never said nobody didnt want to save money. And i never said people had to be rolling in dough either. I for dang sure AM NOT rich. I dont even have a kit on my own car. Of course everyone wants to save money man, thats obvious...

My problem is how people justify stealing a companies original design and selling their copy and people saying thats ok because the original "cost too much". Its stuff like this that put the those original companies and they're distributers out of business. I'm a consumer just like you man and i want to save money just as much as the next guy, however im also in the aftermarket parts business too and i have friends that are and we lose money daily because of all these knock off companies. I'm sure if you designed something, you wouldn't want somebody to copy your design and make money off of it and put you out of business for selling it cheaper. Wouldn't you be just a tad bit pissed?

I know people are gonna buy knock off stuff, thats a given. I just want people to look at it from our stand point as business (or any parts retailer/distributer for that matter) before they start pissin and moanin about the prices of high quality products.


Vertex/T&E, URAS and all the other companies have not gone out of business as of yet. First off they sell a whole lot of other things, and have been battling with knockoff companies for years. I know Ueno is mad about knockoff kits in Japan, but I can't see him going out of business anytime soon.

There are 3 companies out here that do knockoffs (AIT, RaceonUSA, and v:S), yes they are taking a lot of the bodykit market, but soon enough everyone will have one and people will go and start to buy the real thing.

Its happening with wheels somewhat, first everyone wanted cheap used 15s, then they wanted cheap 17x9 FN01rcs, then 17x10, then SSR SP1s... Cheap stuff gets overused really quick pushing more and more people to be unique.

I can see why you or anyone who is on the side of selling kits can get mad, but some of us just can't justify paying the price.

[drift freaq]

word one kids, Raceon USA is two of the guys from GTP!!! GTP had 3 partners two had a falling out with the third and left. None the less Raceon stuff is the same as GTP stuff they get there stuff from the same sources.
As far as knockoffs go the Japanese knock themselves off right left and center.
My word on all of this stuff is just investigate research and learn. You may find a knock off that looks good is of decent construction and works. If so use it. This whole idea that if its not JDM its no good is just plain bullshit. It does not have to be JDM to do the job , work well or even work great.
Rota Wheels are example of this. Back in the day they were heavy knock offs but then the parent company Philippino Wheel corporation invested in high quaility wheel making equipment and built their factory out to ISO9001 9002 specs. Hence now the make highly affordable light weight knock offs that a lot of people in autocross and sports car racing racing are using. Ask the Miata crowd they love them.
I know JDM product people in our community that are highly respected that will put them down at any given chance . Of course if your gonna listen to someone employed by a Japanese company selling wheels that Rota's are no good you need to open your eyes.
Its in his best interest for his company to sway you away from buying a quality knock off in favor of possibly buying the product line he represents. On top of that its quite possible that the JDM wheel might be a knock off of another JDM wheel because like I said earlier the Japanese knock off the Japanese. hahahhahhaha it goes round and round.

[final act]

I was going to order from race on usa, but they stop selling the bn copy front for the 180sx.

[Heartwork]

http://www.raceonusa.com/ProductImages/240sx_95/240sx_95_raceon_frp_sides_vortex_01.jpg

hella False advertising

[selectivebeef]

http://www.raceonusa.com/ProductImages/240sx_95/240sx_95_raceon_frp_sides_vortex_01.jpg

hella False advertising

jeez that is like the worst photoshop job i have ever seen.

[Fatlace]

TOTALLY FALSE ADVERTISING. THEY WILL BE GETTING A CALL FROM VERSION SELECT AND MYSELF TOMORROW MORNING.. How gay is that they're using my car with the DriftUnit stickers on it. wtf.. at least change the color of the wheels retards..



http://www.raceonusa.com/ProductImages/240sx_95/240sx_95_raceon_frp_sides_vortex_01.jpg

hella False advertising

[Heartwork]

jeez that is like the worst photoshop job i have ever seen.

yea, squared wheels gives good stability

[okis14]

TOTALLY FALSE ADVERTISING. THEY WILL BE GETTING A CALL FROM VERSION SELECT AND MYSELF TOMORROW MORNING.. How gay is that they're using my car with the DriftUnit stickers on it. wtf.. at least change the color of the wheels retards..

Now that is just wrong.

[SilviaDriver]

that false advertising shit isnt the first time they have done this. they had done osmething like this before to chargespeed/enjuku and enjuku had to step in

[JKim0901]

good stuff, i always wondered how bad the fitment was