Here is what you have all been waiting for

[DrDubbleB]

Ok, so I got a response from the company that I talked to about the SR20DET group buy.  Most of the information is exactly what I told you, so I will go ahead and post it here.  The group buy would be for up to 10 S14 SR20DET's (sorry no S13's).  The price would be $2400 + shipping.

Now, I had a couple of people ask me about S15's, and here's a reason not to buy one:

The only difference between the S14 and the S15 is that the S15 has an upgraded turbo (and it's newer).  So, going with an S14 is more cost effective, and it's the same motor.  Why not spend the extra cash on upgrading the S14?  The same argument could be made for the S13, but most S13's will cost more than $2400...sooo...

Anyone that is interested go ahead and post here, and I will be relaying the number back to the company.  Once we do get people involved in this and it gets put into motion, I want to go down and check out the company, anyone that would like to go with me, please do.  I am not the worlds biggest motor expert, and any input would be helpful to the group.

Now, the company rep did say this "We could do group buys. however, the problem is that we have a hard enough time to keep what we got in stock. It would be a good idea for other people to get better aquainted with us and see who we really are instead of assuming who we are."  But at the same time, they asked me not to reveal their companie's name until we all got a little more serious about it.

Anyways, you can e-mail me or post on here any questions that you might have.  If you are interested, let me know, and provide your contact information, so that I can get you in touch with the company.

[saga240]

where are you locateD?

[DrDubbleB]

Me...I'm in Northern Virginia, but that's not where the shop is.  I don't own the shop, if you were wondering where it is.  It's about a 10 hour drive from here.

[240meowth]

i thought the s15 sr20det engine had valve timing system, i can be absolutly wrong...

[DrDubbleB]

No, you aren't wrong at all...but the S14 does too.

[Jeff240sx]

I really want a s15 purely for the 6-speed.  Dont tell me crap about weak gears either!  I intend on cryo treating the tranny if I wish to go above 350hp.
BTW.
I should be in (as long as no other dipshits hit my car in the parking lot and drive off without so much as a phone number <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'> )

[saga240]

hehe 6 speed sounds fun.. too bad you need to put that speed sensor thinger that everyone keeps on talking about.. hehe oh well.. &nbsp;but yea.. &nbsp;

are these just the motors or are they clips?..

[burgy240]

What are the chances of getting s14front clips?

[DrDubbleB]

Ok, the company can get you front clips, but they are not included in the group buy. &nbsp;The $2400 that I mentioned would go towards:
Engine (complete) &nbsp;Which the only thing missing is the stock Side Mount intercooler (I could even ask to see if they could throw those in for free).
Transmission

The only things that might be missing are a couple of hoses, which shouldn't be a big deal. &nbsp;Any place that installs the motors should be able to easily get their hands on them.

Anyways, if you still do want a front clip, sorry guys, it will have to be seperate from the group buy. &nbsp;Any more questions?

The S15 has more then just a turbo difference from the S14.

Here is what is different:
Turbo, &nbsp;bigger injectors, &nbsp;ECU, &nbsp;6Speed Tranny (Need Diff to do the swap), &nbsp;and Ignitors are on the coil packs.

Yes, &nbsp;not really that much different from the S14. &nbsp;

I would do the Rb before spending the money on a S15, &nbsp;but thats me!

Grumpy
www.mckinneymotorsports.com

[s15dude]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jeff240sx @ Mar. 13 2002,12:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I really want a s15 purely for the 6-speed. Dont tell me crap about weak gears either! I intend on cryo treating the tranny if I wish to go above 350hp.
BTW.
I should be in (as long as no other dipshits hit my car in the parking lot and drive off without so much as a phone number <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'> )</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If anyone saw the recent Super Street, you would have seen an S15 putting 425 hp to the wheels on the stock 6-speed. I lent the mag to a friend so I forget who made the car. I think it was blitz or apex in Japan.

[DrDubbleB]

Right, right, I forgot about the 6 speed tranny, but that's something that I actually don't want. &nbsp;It might be a strong tranny, but the gears are too short, you have to be shifting awefully quick, which I don't mind, but personally, a 5 speed is better. &nbsp;Besides, then everyone will think you are slower for some odd reason. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp; I go in with the mentality that everyone is going to upgrade the ECU and injectors eventually anyways (and also turbo and the ingnitors, I did not know about...you learn something new everyday <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> ) which is why none of those really should factor in. &nbsp;I mean christ, you are going to swap an engine into your car, you mean to tell me that it's going to stay stock for ever...I think not! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>
The ECU, injectors, transmission, is not enough to justify practically twice the price, but that may be just me.

[twofortysx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (s15dude @ Mar. 13 2002,11:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If anyone saw the recent Super Street, you would have seen an S15 putting 425 hp to the wheels on the stock 6-speed. I lent the mag to a friend so I forget who made the car. I think it was blitz or apex in Japan.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
blitz. &nbsp;And it was a crappy article. &nbsp;Super street sucks.

[DrDubbleB]

So, are there more questions, or can we start the count on who wants in on the deal? &nbsp;I don't mean to be pushy or anything, but I have a couple maybes and a couple probablies. &nbsp;So let's get this thing moving, and get a timeframe for it. &nbsp;Who's in, and when do you want to buy it by? &nbsp;I'm one, and within a month (less hopefully, but I leave that up to you guys).

[luey02]

DrD, so you need 10 on the group buy?? &nbsp;You need to get at least 20 people and no maybe's. &nbsp;$2400 is a lot of money and people will change their mind at the last second. God remeber my group buy for apexi dual? &nbsp;We had 6 and only a couple people send in their money, you know who you are! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'> Sorry but I dont think this gb will work out, simply for the amount of money that's involved, and the number quantity.

&nbsp;

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>

[DrDubbleB]

No no no...I can have up to 10 people in the group buy. &nbsp;Anymore than that and I don't think that they would be able to supply enough engines. &nbsp;If I get myself and one other person (which I already have), then the discount takes place. &nbsp;So, if any others want to participate, let me know.

[lostprojects]

WOw, 10 people for 2400?? &nbsp;

If I can get 10 people, I can do it for 2000

or 2400 shipped.

Thanks all

Lost Projects

[Jeff240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (lostprojects @ Mar. 14 2002,11:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WOw, 10 people for 2400??

If I can get 10 people, I can do it for 2000

or 2400 shipped.

Thanks all

Lost Projects</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ahh.. but would you be able to supply s13's, or s14 sr20dets?
-Jeff

[lostprojects]

I must give my sincere appology to everyone, I was an ass, I should have read everything before I spoke. &nbsp;IT is S14 that DrBubble has, not S13, sorry, I will read first and then speak the next time.

Thanks all

Ian

[DrDubbleB]

Besides, it's not me that's selling them...and it's Dr(D)ubbleB, not (B)ubble. &nbsp;It's ok though, if you could have beaten the price hell we all would have gone with you! &nbsp;We're all looking for the best deals out there.

[lostprojects]

Ya, I mean who isn't..........

[pchio]

How much shipping to California and does it come with any like 30 days startup guarantee?

-Pat

[DrDubbleB]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it comes with a startup guarantee, but I'll double check that, I"m sure that everyone would like to be sure on this. &nbsp;And as for shipping, I couldn't say, most people live on the East coast, and it's about $200 for us, I will check on that as well and get back to you.

[Tommy Gun]

Is it possible to pick up the engines, and were is the shop located at. Thanks

[DrDubbleB]

Yes, you can pick up the engines if you would like. &nbsp;I am going down there also to at least look at them, but probably not to pick up the engine. &nbsp;The shop is in TN. &nbsp;Let me know if you would like to go with me, the more the marrier, and that way we also can pool our knowledge to make sure that the engines are in good shape.

[DrDubbleB]

Ok, in my lastest e-mail, I asked about a couple of things:

1) What kind of start-up guarantee they have?
2) Exactly what all is included with the engine?

Here is the response I got:

Yes there is a start-up guarantee, it is for 90 days.

On top of that, they are giving us two months to get together the group buy and finalize it. That's especially nice if you don't quite have the money yet. I have had several people e-mail me saying that they should be able to get the money within a couple of weeks to a couple of months, so that should work out nicely.

As for what is included with the engines, they said:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We cannot guarantee that power steering pieces or AC compressor would be included. However, your power steering pieces and AC compressor work with this motor or one from a Nissan Sentra SE-R with the SR20DE.

Engine/tranny wiring harness is complete but usually cut. It is all still there. Most all turbos still have the piping connected. KA engine mounts are identical. MAFS are not included. Wastegates are internal. Everything else comes with the motor unless otherwise specified above. I'm still checking in to more and I will get back with you if and when I find out any new or different information.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Since they didn't mention the Intercooler, I will write them another e-mail to find that out, even though I am pretty sure that I asked that before, and they said that it does not come with one. Anyone else have questions?

[BoostDynamics]

Ah.... no wonder the pricing on that is so cheap, cut harnesses, no MAF, power steering isn't complete... Has anybody checked into the shop and gotten references from people that they have either sold motors to or done swaps for to make sure that the motors are even in good condition?

I would say definitely be careful with this one (just going on experience with purchasing SR's and installing them) especially if the company hasn't been around very long, you start talking 10 grand in motors, that's a pretty easy way to make some quick cash &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Just because an engine is cheap doesn't mean it's worth the money, hell the MAF alone is $75-100, PS pump if not there is another $100-150, if the wiring harness is cut and not usable add on another $400 IF you can find an uncut one that someone has for sale. &nbsp;Have they even said anything about whether or not the Ignitor chip is there? &nbsp;That's ANOTHER 300 bucks if it isn't.

I am not sayin this stuff to slander another company (especially because I don't know who it is!!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> but rather to help warn you guys and make sure you aren't gettin screwed the whole time thinkin it's a killer deal.

OH, I just thought of something else, I don't think in this post anywhere I saw any mention of them coming with the stock ECU either, you start adding all this stuff up and you are well above what you would pay for a complete one from somewhere else.

I hope this helps at all! &nbsp;Definitely would be asking that company LOTS more questions if I were you guys!!

Louis Snodgrass
Owner - www.boostdynamics.com

[DrDubbleB]

It does come with the stock ECU, I thought I posted that somewhere, but maybe I just e-mailed someone with that info. &nbsp;Yeah, I have heard they are a good company, but want to go down there to check them out, and would also like to get others to go with me. &nbsp;Anyways, here's some more info:
Shipping to CA is $300
And the engines do not come with the stock intercooler (which to me is fine because I wasn't going to use it, but I don't know how you guys feel about that).

I thought a lot of companies sold them with cut harnesses, but the fact that they don't come with an MAFS kind of got to me.

Thanks for the heads up though, Louis. &nbsp;Guys, I am also going to check with a couple other companies to see if they would be willing to do a group buy, and also if they would be willing to do group buys with more than just S14's. &nbsp;I will keep you informed on my progress, but for right now, if anyone has more questions or concerns for the current group buy, let me know.

If this "Group Buy" dosen't work out and you guys still want to do one. &nbsp;I can set one up with us if you want.

I can have it set up to have a complete motor set up or front clips. &nbsp;S13's or S14's just let me know.

Grumpy
www.mckinneymotorsports.com

[DrDubbleB]

I'll e-mail you to see about that. &nbsp;I am contacting a bunch of different companies right now to see who gives the most complete motors at good prices, and also to see who all would even be willing to do this. &nbsp;It seems as if the group does not want to go with the company I had before because too many things were missing from the engine.

Lost Projects, could you get in touch with me also, I have a few questions I would like to ask you as well. &nbsp;Thanks.

[DrDubbleB]

Ok guys, I e-mailed several different companies about this. &nbsp;So far two of them have e-mailed me back, and they are both interested. &nbsp;One of them would not be able to do such a deal until May 1st, but then they would be front clips, not just the engine (this even includes body panels they said). &nbsp;More details of that one will become available as the date nears closer.

The other company said that they would like to be able to do it, but probably will not have the engine stock for such a deal. &nbsp;If they had enough though, they would ship them for free, and that would be the discount (not too shabby actually that's between $150 to $400 off regular price). &nbsp;Hopefully I will get responses from the rest of the companies tomorrow, or sometime soon. &nbsp;Let me know what you guys think and if you have any questions, as always, feel free to contact me.

Also, I will be starting a new thread about this once I hear from all of the companies I contacted.

[Matt240SE]

hey where exactly in TN is it located? I live in knoxville I wouldnt mind checking it out myself

[jupiterl]

That's why it's cheaper , it is incomplete. I can get a S14 for $2200 shipped with the same configuration ...

[DrDubbleB]

Haha, it's actually in Knoxville. &nbsp;It's DA Performance. &nbsp;jupiterl, you did not read the rest of my post, I am looking at other places to find a more complete motor. &nbsp;If you know of a place to get good stuff, why didn't you share the wealth? &nbsp;Anyone can say that they can get an engine that cheap, it's the doing it that makes it believable.

Anyways, as for the rest of you guys, I still haven't heard from one of the companies, once I do, I will be posting a new thread.