The 2020 Presidential Race

[Future240]

Lots of people running though most dems right now.

This is the thread for all that discussion.

That being said looking at what we have now I would pick Weld even though he has no shot in hell.




EDIT:


Link for the political positions of the Democratic Candidates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_2020_Democratic_Party_p residential_primary_candidates


Profile for Weld
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Weld_2020_presidential_campaign


Profile for Trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_2020_presidential_campaign


Profile for Joe Walsh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Walsh_(Illinois_politician)

[kanyedian]

Lol you literally made this thread after that comment :rofl:

Idk. A few months ago I figured Sanders or Kamala Harris for the nominee. But there is so little change of Sanders getting the nod. The candidates are running so far left. But that's generally the nature for the primaries.

Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard on JRE was cool

[Agamemnon]

I feel like Bernie's time has come and gone. He's too old and has gotten more extreme in his views.

Kamala Harris I feel will be going into the primaries with some good momentum given her background.

I'm very interested to see how far Andrew Yang goes running on the UBI platform. It'll be fun to see how some conservatives view his policies.

I would love to see someone like Pete Buttigieg do well in the primaries.

[kanyedian]

It's funny how Beto has completely fallen off the map. I think Harris definitely scores some intersectionality points but she put a lot of people away as the DA in CA. I find myself liking some UBI ideas but who knows, that may just be my naïveté.
And omg I just remembered de Blasio put his name in the ring :Olawd:

[singlecamslam]

Trumps gonna win. The end.

[RalliartRsX]

Kamala does not have the immigration policy down a of yet.

Pete showed really well on Fox surprisingly. Even got a standing ovation from the audience.

Bernie too old
Joe too old/baggage
Kamala has no real foreign policy or immigration ideas
Beto is lurking
And the remaining field of candidates are just hoping on the train to be there.

[exitspeed]

The last thing the Left wants is to run another old white guy. The party has moved too far left and towards socialism and its all about identity politics. The polls are showing the Left is least interested in voting for a white male. A women, a women of color, a man of color or a gay male all rank higher.

With that said Biden seems like the likely getting the nod at this point. The far left is going to reject him.

But it's early.

[Green Arrow]

TRUMP2020 /endthread

[Future240]

Lol you literally made this thread after that comment :rofl:

Idk. A few months ago I figured Sanders or Kamala Harris for the nominee. But there is so little change of Sanders getting the nod. The candidates are running so far left. But that's generally the nature for the primaries.

Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard on JRE was cool


Yep. That comment reminded me it was time.

I feel like Bernie's time has come and gone. He's too old and has gotten more extreme in his views.

Kamala Harris I feel will be going into the primaries with some good momentum given her background.

I'm very interested to see how far Andrew Yang goes running on the UBI platform. It'll be fun to see how some conservatives view his policies.

I would love to see someone like Pete Buttigieg do well in the primaries.


Sanders is done. He is imo to old. I was a Bernie Bro back in the primaries as he seemed the most reasonable. But now with his talks of free everything and guaranteed jobs. I just cannot support him. He moved left to keep up with the dems. Harris and Booker both are a no for me. I have not gone through all the Dems yet but so far I have not found anyone I liked yet.




The polls are showing the Left is least interested in voting for a white male. A women, a women of color, a man of color or a gay male all rank higher.
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This is what I do not like about the current left. I am a moderate by nature. I see both conservative and liberal points. This push against the white male is something I cannot get behind. Politics should have nothing to do with race/gender/sexual orientation.

[RalliartRsX]

There seems to be solid evidence for a push behind the #notwhitemale. Look up all the folks who sponsored the recent spat of abortion bills....and then look up how many of them have a clue on a woman's reproductive cycle. That and we are the only first world country who has NOT had a female in the white house.

I agree Future. However, the recent spat of bills is just one of many examples why I see a push to not have a white male

With that said, I really do like Pete. Young, charismatic, seems to have his footing and overall a well rounded human. Its nice to see someone so fluent in several languages, however still respects our Amendment rights. The two CAN exist with compromise vs what we have now on "My way or the higway!"

However, considering the bible thumpers, I cannot image the cog dissonance of most of the folks who are extreme 2nd Amendment right and anti-abortion followers to vote for a military vet, who is gay, who speaks several languages and still respects the 2nd amendment..........and oh snap, AND is a white male. I do agree with his stance; Fox News audience never had access to someone from the middle/left, so him appearing on Fox was a solid in my book.

That and he lacks the political baggage of just about every single Dem candidate.

[Future240]

There seems to be solid evidence for a push behind the #notwhitemale. Look up all the folks who sponsored the recent spat of abortion bills....and then look up how many of them have a clue on a woman's reproductive cycle. That and we are the only first world country who has NOT had a female in the white house.

I agree Future. However, the recent spat of bills is just one of many examples why I see a push to not have a white male

With that said, I really do like Pete. Young, charismatic, seems to have his footing and overall a well rounded human. Its nice to see someone so fluent in several languages, however still respects our Amendment rights. The two CAN exist with compromise vs what we have now on "My way or the higway!"

However, considering the bible thumpers, I cannot image the cog dissonance of most of the folks who are extreme 2nd Amendment right and anti-abortion followers to vote for a military vet, who is gay, who speaks several languages and still respects the 2nd amendment..........and oh snap, AND is a white male. I do agree with his stance; Fox News audience never had access to someone from the middle/left, so him appearing on Fox was a solid in my book.

That and he lacks the political baggage of just about every single Dem candidate.


My issue with the push against white males is the fact it is simply because they are white males. It is no different to me than people rallying for a woman simply because she is a woman. IMO both are equally as bad as it should be about policy and qualifications. I realize though not a lot of people feel that way. I know a lot of people who voted for Obama because he was black first and policy second.


I believe we push against bad policy vs look at the group identity of who is making the bad policy. Abortion is never going to be a solved issue. It will volley back and forth between the left and the right. Same with the 2a.




This article sums up my exactly feelings on Pete.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/05/17/pete-buttigieg-primes-voters-gay-president-after-2020-column/3682707002/

[spooled240]

The last thing the Left wants is to run another old white guy. The party has moved too far left and towards socialism and its all about identity politics. The polls are showing the Left is least interested in voting for a white male. A women, a women of color, a man of color or a gay male all rank higher.

It's because they are against racism and gender discrimination :goyou:

[Future240]

It's because they are against racism and gender discrimination :goyou:





Not all of them are.


https://arrow-journal.org/why-people-of-color-need-spaces-without-white-people/


Some of the left support black only college housing. By definition that would be racist to exclude people from housing based on the color of their skin. It is literally what MLK stood against.


Some on the left try to say it is ok by victimizing us with the "poor black people" stint saying we need a safe space away from white people.


They can call it what they want but it is still racist. But double standards yo.


Because when white people tried the same thing it became a controversy
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/university-of-maryland-white-awake-social-justice/

[spooled240]

I was being sarcastic. Many of them are also open anti-semites or allow such anti-semetic BS in their party, it's nuts.

[kanyedian]

There seems to be solid evidence for a push behind the #notwhitemale. Look up all the folks who sponsored the recent spat of abortion bills....and then look up how many of them have a clue on a woman's reproductive cycle. That and we are the only first world country who has NOT had a female in the white house.

But the anti cis-gendered vanilla face males was started way before the recent pro-life moves in state legislations.

And we're the only country WITH a white house! ha

However, considering the bible thumpers, I cannot image the cog dissonance of most of the folks who are extreme 2nd Amendment right and anti-abortion followers to vote for a military vet, who is gay, who speaks several languages and still respects the 2nd amendment..........and oh snap, AND is a white male.

Maybe. But the RNC before Trump was elected had an openly gay speaker and he received a standing ovation. Much of America simply doesn't care about sexual orientation anymore, despite partisan propaganda on the issue.

My issue with the push against white males is the fact it is simply because they are white males. It is no different to me than people rallying for a woman simply because she is a woman.

It's the Oppression Olympics! Even universities last week stated they are going to create Adversity Scores to take into account an applicant's environment when applying to uni. Academia and Democrats are galloping to the left with the AOCs and Ilhan Omars of the world, and it is going to be a total shock to them when Trumpito is re-elected.





It's been almost three years since Trump got in and a huge percentage of America has still not accepted it. And they complained about the chance that HE would not accept the election results. The political leftists are on the fringe with a loud minority. Even all the polling of dems shows Biden ahead by double digits. It's going to be a long period of Republican presidents unless a popular centrist can blossom among the left.


Americans are also tired of deplatforming any human being with which the left disagrees. It's not even shady anymore; it's extremely transparent.

[Future240]

Ah AOC. That is one cause both the left and the right should unite against.


For the dem nomination I am thinking either Biden or Warren. Not my personal selection. More of who might actually get chosen.


But let's be honest. We have not had a one term president since 1992 so hate or like Trump the chance of his re-election is rather high.

[kanyedian]

Ah AOC. That is one cause both the left and the right should unite against.


For the dem nomination I am thinking either Biden or Warren. Not my personal selection. More of who might actually get chosen.


But let's be honest. We have not had a one term president since 1992 so hate or like Trump the chance of his re-election is rather high.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!! There is no chance on Earth of her getting the nom! I'll bet you $10,000!! haha

[feito]

What everybody said, the left is completely unhinged and has become waaaay too radical. Seems like they're competing to see which candidate proposes the most radical policies, things that no even lord obama would have approved (at least back in his time), and all just to earn a group of voters that have completely gone insane due to their TDS.
That, plus the dems not doing a damn thing for the past 3 years except look for ways to get the potus out, I think is really gonna help good old trumpy.

Meanwhile, we got all these libs running away from their leftist "paradises", maintaining the same voting habits in their new refuges, spreading their blue cancer throughout the country... I really can't understand these people.

I dont know who will get the dem nomination, but I can tell you it wont be sanders or biden. While sander's policies are way out there with the rest of the cadidates, they are both old white males, which at the moment is one of the biggest redflags among dems, their enemy.

For me, the choice is very clear... remember, this is a car forum after all.

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[EFITTZY]

Trump 2020 :drama:

[SimpleS14]

With that said, I really do like Pete. Young, charismatic, seems to have his footing and overall a well rounded human. Its nice to see someone so fluent in several languages, however still respects our Amendment rights. The two CAN exist with compromise vs what we have now on "My way or the higway!"

However, considering the bible thumpers, I cannot image the cog dissonance of most of the folks who are extreme 2nd Amendment right and anti-abortion followers to vote for a military vet, who is gay, who speaks several languages and still respects the 2nd amendment..........and oh snap, AND is a white male. I do agree with his stance; Fox News audience never had access to someone from the middle/left, so him appearing on Fox was a solid in my book.

That and he lacks the political baggage of just about every single Dem candidate.


I think he's a good potential candidate and look forward to seeing how he plays out in the primary debates.

[Thursday7]

I find it funny how some think the Dems are getting too radical. They are still the same capitalists that they always were. It's obvious they are trying to be more palpable to people further left, as they always have, but I can assure you they are still going to fight the same battles Obama did. Appeasing billionaires, drone striking the middle east, etc. all while keeping up a façade of a down-to-earth dude in the White House.

This is not the revolution we are looking for, comrades.

PS diversity is cool, stop defending white males, sincerely, a white male.

[exitspeed]

The push towards socialism is new. Bernie was the first one to get the hype going and AOC and the rest of the Democratic Party are running with the ball. These were views that even during the Obama years were laughed at. They now “seem mainstream”. I put that in quotes because it’s not. The media is just an echo chamber and the Left can’t see outside their bubble to see the majority of Americans ject these ideas.

[kanyedian]

Mueller's press conference was meant to reiterate that there is no crime that can be charged to the pres. All the talking heads in the MSM are reporting that he said the opposite :rofl:

Their viewers (even fewer than the number on Zilvia) are seriously pissed because they were promised collusion for two years.

[exitspeed]

Mueller's press conference was meant to reiterate that there is no crime that can be charged to the pres. All the talking heads in the MSM are reporting that he said the opposite :rofl:

Their viewers (even fewer than the number on Zilvia) are seriously pissed because they were promised collusion for two years.



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[BOROSUN]

I like Tulsi gabbard. She looks like rogue from X-Men.

[kanyedian]

I like Tulsi gabbard. She looks like rogue from X-Men.

About as good a reason to vote for any of them :w00t:

[ghost_silvia]

I took Mueller's speech as they can't bring charges because it goes against the constitution. He left the ball in Congress's court to act accordingly. That law needs to be abolished.

[Farzam]

Need to update thread title to "2020 presidential race/white tears thread"

My politic opinions aside I think Trump will be re-elected. And I have no friggin clue who will end up running against him. Prob Biden because he's the most familiar household name, seems to be the motif behind elections as of late. The touchy-feely fiasco seems to be blowing over a little bit. If anything some left wing twitter trolls will start reposting creepy pics of Trump and his kids. Or creepy quotes.

As much as the right blames the media for shafting them, the left has been getting boned too. I think the average dem is a lot more moderate than what the right is being led to believe by "viral" news, which I could be wrong about but that's my opinion at least. Both sides seem to have their mascots for egregious behavior, the more sensible politicians don't get as much of a spotlight.

[midnight zenki]

Mueller's press conference was meant to reiterate that there is no crime that can be charged to the pres. All the talking heads in the MSM are reporting that he said the opposite :rofl:

Their viewers (even fewer than the number on Zilvia) are seriously pissed because they were promised collusion for two years.


You should probably do some more research and re-watch the statement. Mueller stated that the Office of Legal Counsel which is under the Department of Justice in which the Special Counsel is beheld to, is bound by a ruling that states that no sitting president can be charged with a crime.

With that ruling set as precedence, Mueller could not at this time charge the president with obstruction of justice and specifically mentioned that the investigation did not exonerate Trump in respect to obstruction of justice.

[feito]

PS diversity is cool, stop defending white males, sincerely, a white male.

Wtf does "cool" matter?
In the real world you want effectiveness, regardless of diversity. You want someone to get a job done, you hire the person most capable, regardless of their creed or sexual preference.
Note: reminding everyone of your personal preferences and pushing your own agenda on the bosses clock is not productive..

PS
The color of your skin is meaningless while expressing yourself. Stop being racist.

[kanyedian]

You should probably do some more research and re-watch the statement. Mueller stated that the Office of Legal Counsel which is under the Department of Justice in which the Special Counsel is beheld to, is bound by a ruling that states that no sitting president can be charged with a crime.

With that ruling set as precedence, Mueller could not at this time charge the president with obstruction of justice and specifically mentioned that the investigation did not exonerate Trump in respect to obstruction of justice.

He said a lot more than that.

What do you think is the point of saying there is not evidence that a crime was not committed? There is a reason not to cite evidence of a crime when there is no opportunity to defend one's self in court. Which will not happen because he is not charging Trumpito with anything.

[kanyedian]

Need to update thread title to "2020 presidential race/white tears thread"

My politic opinions aside I think Trump will be re-elected. And I have no friggin clue who will end up running against him. Prob Biden because he's the most familiar household name, seems to be the motif behind elections as of late. The touchy-feely fiasco seems to be blowing over a little bit. If anything some left wing twitter trolls will start reposting creepy pics of Trump and his kids. Or creepy quotes.

As much as the right blames the media for shafting them, the left has been getting boned too. I think the average dem is a lot more moderate than what the right is being led to believe by "viral" news, which I could be wrong about but that's my opinion at least. Both sides seem to have their mascots for egregious behavior, the more sensible politicians don't get as much of a spotlight.

Racist comment aside, it's true that the media reports on the extreme ends of the political spectrum. That's where they have learned live the views/clicks. That's why it's helpful to have candidates on alternative media platforms like JRE and Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro's Sunday Show, etc. on YT where ideas can be debated/discussed for over 60 mins.

[Jorgs_7]

Go trump 2020

[midnight zenki]

He said a lot more than that.

What do you think is the point of saying there is not evidence that a crime was not committed? There is a reason not to cite evidence of a crime when there is no opportunity to defend one's self in court. Which will not happen because he is not charging Trumpito with anything.

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[kanyedian]

Hmmm this race is cray! I feel like the Dems' best chance to beat Trump is to nominate Biden. But the other candidates and the media are attacking him lol. Probably because he's the front runner and also because of his low qualifying status in the oppression olympics. And that was strange with him changing opinions so quickly on the Hyde Amendment. Makes him seem dishonest and inauthentic.

[SupaDoopa]

The media is run by politicians. It's what creates mass hysteria or the opposite. They can manipulate the people stupid enough to not have their own opinion any way they want - unless you're one of those dumbasses that tune in to see what the newest leaked sex tape is or who lost a toe scuba diving in the Bahamas after they parked their three million dollar yacht too close to the barrier reef.

I like to take in opinions of all parties and make an educated decision on who would be a good fit at that particular time as well as track record, credentials, truth to word, and a few other factors. I tend to swing Republican mainly because I enjoy my constitutional rights and I don't think a person sleeping in a fancy house should be able to take them away from me.

If you want an abortion, cool. If you want to own an underground bunker filled with legally registered guns, cool. If you want to openly talk shit about Oprah Winfrey, cool. I'm down with it as long it's legal and follows your rights to the T.

[kanyedian]

I'm a little over halfway through Andrew Yang on The Rubin Report (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlwG-XVBQJ4) and I've gotta say, I dig his ideas. He's already in the June and July debates and close to the requirement to get into the later ones. Looking forward to watching his performance. If he gets the nominee, I have to say I may through him a vote.

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[feito]

So, what's everybody's take on cali's expansion of health benefits to illegals? Dont legal citizens still get fined over there for not having insurance per the fbhobama care rules?
I know here in my state there wont be anymore fines next year, thanks to our republican senators.

[spooled240]

I'm a little over halfway through Andrew Yang on The Rubin Report (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlwG-XVBQJ4) and I've gotta say, I dig his ideas. He's already in the June and July debates and close to the requirement to get into the later ones. Looking forward to watching his performance. If he gets the nominee, I have to say I may through him a vote.

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I like his ideas on reinvesting in our working class, but I don't think UBI is the answer.

So, what's everybody's take on cali's expansion of health benefits to illegals? Dont legal citizens still get fined over there for not having insurance per the fbhobama care rules?
I know here in my state there wont be anymore fines next year, thanks to our republican senators.

I'm glad our politicians found insuring people that are here illegally as a higher priority over taking care of the thousands of homeless citizens that need help. The cities here are getting really bad and nothing is being done about it.

[kanyedian]

So, what's everybody's take on cali's expansion of health benefits to illegals? Dont legal citizens still get fined over there for not having insurance per the fbhobama care rules?
I know here in my state there wont be anymore fines next year, thanks to our republican senators.

It's utterly laughable. California needs to hurry up and secede lol. Go join Europe. That is why it's so important to have an electoral college otherwise the entire country would be run by the biggest cities in a few states, leaving everyone else with different values out to dry.

I would love to see the migrants delivered to sanctuary cities though. That was a brilliant and hilarious threat https://www.8thcivic.com/forums/images/smilies/awesome/cheerleader1.gif https://www.8thcivic.com/forums/images/smilies/pinkrotfl.gif

I like his ideas on reinvesting in our working class, but I don't think UBI is the answer.

At first, for whatever reason, I would find myself agreeing that UBI is not the answer. But when I challenge myself to say why, I find that I am not able to.

It seems like the cleanest way to avoid extreme poverty and reduce reliance on public assistance all in one go. Yang likens it to a dividend check based on being a stakeholder in the United States. He will make it one or the other, either food stamps and related programs, OR the $1,000/month check. Those that would choose the money (and therefore be able to spend it however they like) will immediately leave the other programs freeing up money for the UBI itself. And all that extra spending money may be reintroduced into the economy when people begin spending it.

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[spooled240]

The vast majority of people would be buying cigarettes, beer and 7/11 hot dogs. I don't think the money would be funneling back into the economy in an optimal way as it would just end up in the hands of a few large corporations. And the marginal positive impact it would do for the economy would be negated by the incredibly high cost.

The democrats all seem to think that there's an endless supply of money that can be pulled for free healthcare, free college, UBI, $15+/hr minimum wage, etc. Now Bernie is at least admitting that his programs will be funded by taxes. If any of these people are end up in the white house you can expect your effective salary to drop significantly as a result of higher taxes and an overall higher cost of living.

[kanyedian]

You don't think that money would go primarily to pay rent? That's where I would use it first. And then secondly, on the Silvia https://www.8thcivic.com/forums/images/smilies/eyebrows.gif

[spooled240]

Sure, but it's still more residual money at the end of the day. You would have a more money to spend on the Silvia.

[exitspeed]

It's utterly laughable. California needs to hurry up and secede lol. Go join Europe. That is why it's so important to have an electoral college otherwise the entire country would be run by the biggest cities in a few states, leaving everyone else with different values out to dry.

I would love to see the migrants delivered to sanctuary cities though. That was a brilliant and hilarious threat

Perfect example of the Lefts bs virtue signaling. They claim they care about immigrants and proclaim their cities sanctuary’s, but when Trump calls their bluff they say he’s being insensitive and being asshole.

It’s like AOC’s GND. She and the climate folks (for the record I believe in climate change but that’s whole other conversation) claim if we don’t do something drastic immediately we’re doomed. So the republicans let them vote on it and she cries fowl. So what is it? Do we need to do something drastic right this min or no? The Democrats has the chance and they passed. Because it’s bs virtue signaling.

[kanyedian]

I've seen so much information in the past few years and I am seriously concerned about rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere. Stopping all fossil fuel use would devastate economies; especially those developing nations that have not yet completed their industrial revolutions. It would relegate them to perpetual poverty. I'm not sure the answer. Could be Teslas for everyone! Or shit. Let's all walk around!!

Time to take the Lamborfeeties out of the garage, start up the Chevrolegs, and take the Shoebarus out for a spin. https://www.8thcivic.com/forums/images/smilies/um/escaper.gif

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[rvns14]

So, what's everybody's take on cali's expansion of health benefits to illegals? Dont legal citizens still get fined over there for not having insurance per the fbhobama care rules?
I know here in my state there wont be anymore fines next year, thanks to our republican senators.

People who show up/get dropped off at hospital emergency rooms, people who go bankrupt after unexpected hospital stays/slowly over prescription drug cost; people with insurance pay for those people anyway (and justify the fudge factor that allows the hospitals/drug companies to charge hundreds for meds that would otherwise cost 10s pad the profits of Galaxo/Merrick/Bristol Meyers, etc).

[rvns14]

It's utterly laughable. California needs to hurry up and secede lol. Go join Europe. That is why it's so important to have an electoral college otherwise the entire country would be run by the biggest cities in a few states, leaving everyone else with different values out to dry.

I would love to see the migrants delivered to sanctuary cities though. That was a brilliant and hilarious threat https://www.8thcivic.com/forums/images/smilies/awesome/cheerleader1.gif https://www.8thcivic.com/forums/images/smilies/pinkrotfl.gif




We would have to negotiate a trade agreement (ala the unratified USMCA) with a country that previously would have been the largest single economy in the country and provides a huge amount of Americas produce. California is increasing their alternative energy use, they would happily make a stable trade deal with the Pacific Rim and leave US (us) in the loosing position.

You guys ready for Cali made adult entertainment/wine/alcohol (Anchor Steam Beer) embargo for the remaining US states (see Smokey & The Bandit).

[kanyedian]

We would have to negotiate a trade agreement (ala the unratified USMCA) with a country that previously would have been the largest single economy in the country and provides a huge amount of Americas produce. California is increasing their alternative energy use, they would happily make a stable trade deal with the Pacific Rim and leave US (us) in the loosing position.

You guys ready for Cali made adult entertainment/wine/alcohol (Anchor Steam Beer) embargo for the remaining US states (see Smokey & The Bandit).

Pelosi can be made King of California and Alyssa Milano as Prime Minister. They hate the rest of America anyway! Boycotting states that have voters that dislike abortion. Those ideologies and going to re-elect Trumpito in 2020 big time.

[rvns14]

Pelosi can be made King of California and Alyssa Milano as Prime Minister. They hate the rest of America anyway! Boycotting states that have voters that dislike abortion. Those ideologies and going to re-elect Trumpito in 2020 big time.

lol @ they hate america anyway.


The unspoken truth is that they are wealthy anyway, come what may, they will be alright. I dont think politicians should pretend as much to care about people who themselves dont care about themselves.

[kanyedian]

lol @ they hate america anyway.


The unspoken truth is that they are wealthy anyway, come what may, they will be alright. I dont think politicians should pretend as much to care about people who themselves dont care about themselves.

The whole of politics as it is now is solely about getting re-elected. The minute a member of Congress is elected, they immediately begin working on re-election. Resources are flooded to incumbents and that becomes the primary focus. Term limits for these individuals is SUCH a no-brainer. I want that to happen so bad! Challenge them to introduce a bill to limit their own terms and that should shed a real light on the issue.

:rl:

[kanyedian]

Are we going to war with Iran over the drone that was shot down?

[Future240]

Current List. I imagine as time gets closer more R's will start coming out.

Democrats

Michael Bennet (https://ballotpedia.org/Michael_Bennet_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Joe Biden (https://ballotpedia.org/Joe_Biden_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Bill de Blasio (https://ballotpedia.org/Bill_de_Blasio_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Cory Booker (https://ballotpedia.org/Cory_Booker_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Steve Bullock (https://ballotpedia.org/Steve_Bullock_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Pete Buttigieg (https://ballotpedia.org/Pete_Buttigieg_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Julián Castro (https://ballotpedia.org/Juli%C3%A1n_Castro_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
John Delaney (https://ballotpedia.org/John_Delaney_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Tulsi Gabbard (https://ballotpedia.org/Tulsi_Gabbard_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Kirsten Gillibrand (https://ballotpedia.org/Kirsten_Gillibrand_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Mike Gravel (https://ballotpedia.org/Mike_Gravel_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Kamala Harris (https://ballotpedia.org/Kamala_Harris_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
John Hickenlooper (https://ballotpedia.org/John_Hickenlooper_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Jay Inslee (https://ballotpedia.org/Jay_Inslee_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Amy Klobuchar (https://ballotpedia.org/Amy_Klobuchar_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Wayne Messam (https://ballotpedia.org/Wayne_Messam_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Seth Moulton (https://ballotpedia.org/Seth_Moulton_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Beto O'Rourke (https://ballotpedia.org/Beto_O%27Rourke_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Tim Ryan (https://ballotpedia.org/Tim_Ryan_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Bernie Sanders (https://ballotpedia.org/Bernie_Sanders_presidential_campaign,_2020) (I)[1] (https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020#cite_note-Disclaimer-1)
Joe Sestak (https://ballotpedia.org/Joe_Sestak_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Tom Steyer (https://ballotpedia.org/Tom_Steyer_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Elizabeth Warren (https://ballotpedia.org/Elizabeth_Warren_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Marianne Williamson (https://ballotpedia.org/Marianne_Williamson_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Andrew Yang (https://ballotpedia.org/Andrew_Yang_presidential_campaign,_2020) (D)
Republicans

Donald Trump (https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2020) (R)
Bill Weld (https://ballotpedia.org/Bill_Weld_presidential_campaign,_2020) (R)

I'm still supporting Weld.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

I’m totally renting out my home for the DNC. Gonna make as much money on these lefties as I can.

[spooled240]

I’m totally renting out my home for the DNC. Gonna make as much money on these lefties as I can.Idk, it looks as though they want to make money off you insteadhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190801/5a638f2310a8653b8150cc129be00d34.gif

[exitspeed]

Idk, it looks as though they want to make money off you insteadhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190801/5a638f2310a8653b8150cc129be00d34.gif

Not if I have any say about it.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope.

[exitspeed]

I doubt many ppl are going to want to stay in the burbs for the DNC.

I’m 15 min from downtown. People were staying that far away (and further) for Erin Hills.

Also the main issue with having the event in Milwaukee is it had the least amount of hotels of all the cities considered.

My house would sleep 12 people, so it would be more ideal for a company like CNN or some shit.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Breh, if MKE can handle summerfest, the DNC won't kill it. All the big companies will book at the Kimpton or Pfister.

Edit: for fuck’s sake do YOU HAVE to argue about everything?

I’ll let you know how it turns out.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Sounds good.

Have fun with your place in the burbs, maybe fix your location.

Typical lefty telling people how to love their life.

Makes no difference but I lived more than 3/4 of my life in Milwaukee, born and raised. It wasn’t until I had kids and valued a good school district (unlike the shit MPS district I grew up in) that I moved.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

:picardfp:

When you work to kill the school district it is going to struggle in a shocking twist.

Huh, so the school district ran by lefties for its entirety, in the city ran by lefties for the last 70 years? That one? I spite of Walkers record school spending ( https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2018/apr/20/tony-evers/did-scott-walker-take-1-billion-wisconsin-schools-/) Fuck outta here.

I got sick of getting robbed, harassed, and living in shithole city. So I moved to an a area with wildly successful schools ran by republicans. Luckily I live in a country that gives me that freedom.

I won’t say another word on this. But feel free to waste your time. Unlike you I won’t tell you how to live.

[spooled240]

Jeez the hostility...

Let's all remember what brought us together..shit box 240's!

[Future240]

Jeez the hostility...

Let's all remember what brought us together..shit box 240's!

Dude it’s loud noises.

The forum header literally says a place for political mudslinging.



People are passionate and as long as there are no personal threats you can pretty much say what you feel.

We even encourage people NOT to neg rep in here just so more people will speak their minds.

[exitspeed]

I know the liberals in this thread have continually dismissed my claims that more POC and women are supporting Trump, but hey don’t take my word for it. Take a Lefties research on on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/07/upshot/trump-approval-rating-rise.html

The reactions to this are hilarious! And what’s even better the response on social media from POC is completely confirming it.

Here’s a hint: the bullies on the left have shown their true colors and every day citizens are tired of it.

[Future240]

I know the liberals in this thread have continually dismissed my claims that more POC and women are supporting Trump, but hey don’t take my word for it. Take a Lefties research on on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/07/upshot/trump-approval-rating-rise.html

The reactions to this are hilarious! And what’s even better the response on social media from POC is completely confirming it.

Here’s a hint: the bullies on the left have shown their true colors and every day citizens are tired of it.



This article mentions the POTUS having more support but does not mention poc or women. It does not mention any race or gender. I am not certain how you attribute the article data to mean poc or women.


If anything the article simply breaks down into people who liked Trump vs people did not but now do. It suggest it could be republicans, former democrats or independents.







But it is not 2016 anymore. Millions of Americans who did not like the president in 2016 now say they do. Over all, his personal favorability rating has increased by about 10 percentage points among registered voters since Election Day 2016, to 44 percent from 34 percent, according to Upshot estimates.
Some of these voters probably voted for Mr. Trump in 2016, even though they didn’t like him at the time. But some probably did not vote for him: Republicans with an unfavorable opinion of Mr. Trump were more than twice as likely to stay home on Election Day as those with a favorable view, according to New York Times/Siena surveys of North Carolina, Florida and Pennsylvania in 2016.
It seems likely that a substantial number of these voters now have a favorable view of the president: Over all, 28 percent of Republican-leaning voters with an unfavorable view of Mr. Trump in 2016 had a favorable view of him by 2018, according to data from the Voter Study Group. The aggregate national data suggests that Mr. Trump has gained more support than that — if not from Republicans then perhaps from some number of independents or former Democrats.

[exitspeed]

This article mentions the POTUS having more support but does not mention poc or women. It does not mention any race or gender. I am not certain how you attribute the article data to mean poc or women.


If anything the article simply breaks down into people who liked Trump vs people did not but now do. It suggest it could be republicans, former democrats or independents.

Yes, but it doesn’t say amount white supporters either. So one could infer that this would include POC.

The reason I bring this report up is because I’ve said in this thread there are some strong movements among POC supporting Trump that i follow on the Gram. It’s dismissed as “oh there’s this inebriate black guy you follow”, when indeed it’s not. It’s MANY and the movement is real. The left wants to deny it, but it looks like even they are starting to come to terms with it. Well not really because the response online has been historical.

[Future240]

Yes, but it doesn’t say amount white supporters either. So one could infer that this would include POC..



This I must disagree with. You are extrapolating. One cannot infer anything in regards to race or gender with this article as there is no data to infer it with. The author did not point out race or gender. He pointed out political affiliation.


Now to your point the #blexit movement IS real and gaining support.










Example below VVVV

https://i.redd.it/o2pcdolo7yd31.jpg

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

This I must disagree with. You are extrapolating. One cannot infer anything in regards to race or gender with this article as there is no data to infer it with. The author did not point out race or gender. He pointed out political affiliation.


Now to your point the #blexit movement IS real and gaining support.










Example below VVVV

https://i.redd.it/o2pcdolo7yd31.jpg

Again though it doesn’t say that it doesn’t and therefore should.

Don’t forget #walkaway.

[exitspeed]

We even encourage people NOT to neg rep in here just so more people will speak their minds.

I’d like to reiterate this point to the peons that think neg repping me does anything. Coward wouldn’t even leave his name. :wavey:

[feito]

With so many unhinged lefties out there, it's a serious risk to wear maga hats. Takes some balls. I am planning on running an experiment locally thou: go to the grocery store and park one of my worse beater cars with a maga flag next to this kid's mustang that flies an american flag with the words "fuck trump" spray painted on it. Would love to see his reaction and record it from a safe distance.

[exitspeed]

This is the the most bitch ass, cry baby ass, temper tantrum shit the Left has done so far. Just wow.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/05/trump-tax-returns-california-requirement-unconstitutional-column/1914671001/

[rvns14]

This is the the most bitch ass, cry baby ass, temper tantrum shit the Left has done so far. Just wow.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/05/trump-tax-returns-california-requirement-unconstitutional-column/1914671001/

Most presidents don't have to be forced to provide tax returns, they know open and honest communication is healthy for a democracy.

[exitspeed]

Most presidents don't have to be forced to provide tax returns, they know open and honest communication is healthy for a democracy.

That doesn’t matter. We have a CONSTITUTION! If you want something changed there’s a process. Requiring tax records to be on a ballot as a president is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Period.

[lewisfk]

EXITSPEED: With the passage of Citizens United and the influence of foreign money in politics, its essential all individuals running for President of the U. S. release their tax returns. The Constitution is outdated and new s to be amended to reflect the 21 Century

[Future240]

The Constitution is outdated and new s to be amended to reflect the 21 Century


That is part of what Exit is arguing.

The CURRENT constitutional law says one thing. This state governor is trying to bypass the constitution which is wrong.

Exit is arguing if politicians want something changed they should go about it the proper way and get the constitution updated.

Like he said there is a process for that.

I don’t know if you read the article but even the previous governor said it was a bad idea.


To the Members of the California State Senate:

I am returning Senate Bill 149 without my signature.

This bill requires any candidate for president to disclose five years of his or her income tax returns before their name can be placed on California's primary election ballot.

Although tax returns are by law confidential, many presidential candidates have voluntarily released them. This bill is a response to President Trump's refusal to release his returns during the last election.

While I recognize the political attractiveness-even the merits-of getting
President Trump's tax returns, I worry about the political perils of individual states seeking to regulate presidential elections in this manner. First, it may not be constitutional. Second, it sets a "slippery slope" precedent. Today we require tax returns, but what would be next? Five years of health records? A certified birth certificate? High school report cards? And will these requirements vary depending on which political party is in power?

A qualified candidate's ability to appear on the ballot is fundamental to our democratic system. For that reason, I hesitate to start down a road that well might lead to an ever escalating set of differing state requirements for presidential candidates.

[lewisfk]

I read the article , and I'm aware of what California proposed in their State. I was pointing out the biggest problem with all of his argument throughout the thread. Politicians are trying to find a solution to counter act this Administrations insane policies.

Citizens United and the influence of foreign money.

[rvns14]

That doesn’t matter. We have a CONSTITUTION! If you want something changed there’s a process. Requiring tax records to be on a ballot as a president is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Period.

True. But it simple, he could save California millions of dollars and just release the returns. Conservative leaning people believe on being tough on crime because criminal exploit the soft targets and soft/laws and systems that allow recidivism; what is not releasing returns/preparing before inauguration/vacationing @ personal property for profit but attacking/disregarding established norms. The election process didn’t reflect the will of the voting people and while the president won in a technically correct way, his organization cut through centuries of what we have worked to as an established way to beecome president, not codified into law. I don’t think we could get enough political support anywhere to make laws of what we have asked previous presidents to do but we can’t control that process now, which again in the future could go against the will of the people as it did here for the majority of voting Americans.

[Future240]

True. But it simple, he could save California millions of dollars and just release the returns.

This post reminded why I don’t label as either camp.

My intial thought is California could have saved themselves a lot of time and money by not passing useless legislation.

Unless they are truly stupid they know full well it will be ruled unconstitutional.

IMO it is political theater at its finest. The senate and governor can now say how they tried but they got over turned by the potus’s Supreme Court (as we all know it will).

Their constituents eat it up and vote accordingly.


These days the tough on crime shtick seems be another voter trick. People like the idea despite not knowing what it really means. The phrasing sounds good.

I think a classical conservative, or a libertarian depending om how one looks at it, should be softer on some crimes.

Mandatory sentencing
Three strike rules
Draconian drug sentencing

are a few “tough” things republicans and Democrats alike should rethink.

Prison reform is needed ins major way but it’s a hard sell to a lot of America.

[exitspeed]

True. But it simple, he could save California millions of dollars and just release the returns. Conservative leaning people believe on being tough on crime because criminal exploit the soft targets and soft/laws and systems that allow recidivism; what is not releasing returns/preparing before inauguration/vacationing @ personal property for profit but attacking/disregarding established norms. The election process didn’t reflect the will of the voting people and while the president won in a technically correct way, his organization cut through centuries of what we have worked to as an established way to beecome president, not codified into law. I don’t think we could get enough political support anywhere to make laws of what we have asked previous presidents to do but we can’t control that process now, which again in the future could go against the will of the people as it did here for the majority of voting Americans.

No, California can save themselves millions by stopping what amounts to kabuki theater.

And also, Joe Biden (calling criminals “predators”) has been a STRONG advocate of being tough on crime. Hell so was Clinton and Obama.

This post reminded why I don’t label as either camp.

My intial thought is California could have saved themselves a lot of time and money by not passing useless legislation.

Unless they are truly stupid they know full well it will be ruled unconstitutional.

IMO it is political theater at its finest. The senate and governor can now say how they tried but they got over turned by the potus’s Supreme Court (as we all know it will).

Their constituents eat it up and vote accordingly.


These days the tough on crime shtick seems be another voter trick. People like the idea despite not knowing what it really means. The phrasing sounds good.

I think a classical conservative, or a libertarian depending om how one looks at it, should be softer on some crimes.

Mandatory sentencing
Three strike rules
Draconian drug sentencing

are a few “tough” things republicans and Democrats alike should rethink.

Prison reform is needed ins major way but it’s a hard sell to a lot of America.

And thanks to Trump we have the first step towards prison reform with the bill he passed in spring. He got almost ZERO coverage from the MSM when he passed that. It’s not the final solution but it’s a start. It’s far more than Obama ever did on the subject.

[Future240]

^^^Despite his bafoonery the Potus has done some good in some area's. This is one of them.


https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/judicial/428560-despite-disagreements-with-trump-democrats-should-loudly-applaud

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

I’ve NEVER been a conspiracy theorist but this Clinton body count shit is pretty convincing. Epstein getting suicided even has the MSM asking questions and getting suspicious.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[RalliartRsX]

I’ve NEVER been a conspiracy theorist but this Clinton body count shit is pretty convincing. Epstein getting suicided even has the MSM asking questions and getting suspicious.

Did you bother to take the time to actually read the names that were released this past weekend??

There are a trove of people 100 times more wealthy, connected and much higher profile than trump or Clinton who are wrapped up in all this who would much prefer him be silenced....

This is a fucking child molester and all I see this weekend is shitty memes about Clinton helping him commit suicide and trump posting a conspiracy theory.........

Child molestation and sex trafficking should not be used as a political prop.

[spooled240]

Did you bother to take the time to actually read the names that were released this past weekend??

No because I don't want to get suicided

[Future240]

There are a trove of people 100 times more wealthy, connected and much higher profile than trump or Clinton who are wrapped up in all this who would much prefer him be silenced....

This is a fucking child molester and all I see this weekend is shitty memes about Clinton helping him commit suicide and trump posting a conspiracy theory.........

Child molestation and sex trafficking should not be used as a political prop.

Agreed 100%!

This is the time the sides should unite on a major WTF?!! moment.

There should be some investigation into whatever can be found out about these sick fucks not lhurr durr Clinton body count” bullshit.

[exitspeed]

Agreed 100%!

This is the time the sides should unite on a major WTF?!! moment.

There should be some investigation into whatever can be found out about these sick fucks not lhurr durr Clinton body count” bullshit.

Shit is getting investigated hard.

And it’s not just memes about Clinton, the MSM spent the weekend accusing trump of the same thing.

At least the memes are funny. The sick fucks in the media are dead serious.

[RalliartRsX]

@exitspeed trump literally retweeted a conspiracy theory with zero knowledge, evidence or corroboration .....shit, he didn't even bother to wait until the body is cold or the coroner's report.....

So the media nailed him for it, and rightly so.

[Future240]

Yea that was a bad move. As is a lot of his twittering.

This article sums it up quite nicely.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/opinion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-conspiracies.amp.html

[exitspeed]

@exitspeed trump literally retweeted a conspiracy theory with zero knowledge, evidence or corroboration .....shit, he didn't even bother to wait until the body is cold or the coroner's report.....

So the media nailed him for it, and rightly so.

Yes. He does stupid shit. Don’t think I’ve ever argued that he’s perfect or even close to traditional with his Twittering.

I’m saying the MSM over the weekend said ON THEIR SHOWS the exact same thing but Trump being involved “trumps name keeps coming up”.

And honestly I don’t think any of y’all on the left should be talking about conspiracy theories. *cough* RUSSIA COLLUSION *cough*

[exitspeed]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190812/820be6cc6976ff7ec1a684b6feb961b4.jpg


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[midnight zenki]

Typical lefty telling people how to love their life.

LOL, can you say abortion restrictions aka the largest imposition on how to live your life? For a group of people that claim they’re religious freedom is always being infringed upon the sheer hypocrisy is astounding.

[rvns14]

Yes. He does stupid shit. Don’t think I’ve ever argued that he’s perfect or even close to traditional with his Twittering.

I’m saying the MSM over the weekend said ON THEIR SHOWS the exact same thing but Trump being involved “trumps name keeps coming up”.

And honestly I don’t think any of y’all on the left should be talking about conspiracy theories. *cough* RUSSIA COLLUSION *cough*

Thats all i need. Trump is less intelligent then President Camacho and for me that, along with zero sum attitude between the citizens and immigrants/the US and the world/the economy and the environment (+NK and the Iran Deal and the Russia love and the TPP and the birtherism and the open gov positions)is enough for me to vote for Democrats and delete the republicans i know.

[exitspeed]

Thats all i need. Trump is less intelligent then President Camacho and for me that, along with zero sum attitude between the citizens and immigrants/the US and the world/the economy and the environment (+NK and the Iran Deal and the Russia love and the TPP and the birtherism and the open gov positions)is enough for me to vote for Democrats and delete the republicans i know.

Delete the Republicans you know? Like on social media or like in your real life?

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3ohfFhG5VDtDTzQv2o/giphy.gif

Living in an echo chamber is a greeeeeeat idea.

This is the problem with the Left in general. They/you don’t agree with someone and you want to shut them down and remove them from your life. It’s pretty fucked up. Probably half of my friends are Lefties. Probably 98% of the people I work with are far left. While I don’t agree with them on everything (some things I do) I wouldn’t shut them out of my life because they have a different view.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

There's a difference between cutting someone out over disagreeing with their views (which yeah, is dumb) versus cutting them out for their hatred, whether that comes in the form of sexism, racism, xenophobia, etc.

With all that Trump & co have done I'm not sure how anyone can call themselves a decent person and still support him.

With all that he’s there are plenty of reasons. I don’t agree with everything he’s done, or any politics or that matter, but he’s done enough things that I see have been absolute wins for us that I’m willing to overlook some of the flaws.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

I get overlooking flaws. I overlooked quite a few things I didn't like in voting for Barack in 2012 & Hillary in 2016.

But the stuff you're overlooking with Trump man....

The send her back chant
The threatening of journalists/lack of transparency
Cuts to the EPA & protections for endangered species
Climate change denial
Damaged ties with what were formerly our closest allies & growing closer with dictators
People dying in ICE custody (Yes, Obama deported/detained people, no, no one died in it under his watch)
The attacks on immigrants & poor people
The general weakening of our governmental institutions

For what?

Some tax cuts for the mega rich?

Again this is all pointless. I could compile a list of positives 3 times as long and you’d dismiss everything. Not wasting my time on this.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Do it.

Give me a list three times as long.

Seriously.

I don't want to understand how the mind of a Trump voter works, but I want to know 24 things they think he's done that are good.

Well shit that was easier than I thought:

Almost 4 million jobs created since election.

More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.

We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election
.
Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.

Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.

New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.

Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.

African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.

Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded
.
Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.

Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.

Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.

Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.

Passed bipartisan prison reform bill

Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election
.
The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.

95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.

Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.

Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.

As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.

Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.

Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.

Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.

Record number of regulations eliminated.

Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.

Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.

My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.

Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.

We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.

Signed Right-To-Try legislation.

Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.

We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.

Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.

Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.

United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.

Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.

Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.

Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.

NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.

Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.

Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.

Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.

Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.

Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.

Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.

Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.

Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.

Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.

Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.

Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.

We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[rvns14]

Living in an echo chamber is a greeeeeeat idea.

This is the problem with the Left in general. They/you don’t agree with someone and you want to shut them down and remove them from your life. It’s pretty fucked up. Probably half of my friends are Lefties. Probably 98% of the people I work with are far left. While I don’t agree with them on everything (some things I do) I wouldn’t shut them out of my life because they have a different view.

Cool, wheres your nobel prize for having leftie friends.

Said Exitspeed:

God this is the most pointless thread on the internet.

No one is going to change their mind in any way shape or form.

I agree, re: befriending the self righteous.

[exitspeed]

Prison reform = Good

Starting a trade war = Bad.

Fighting against the future & trying to go back to the 50s by promoting coal & lying to those stupid enough to believe him = Bad

Record military spending = Bad

Space Force = lol

Olympics = Bad

World Cup = Bad

Embassy in Jerusalem = Literally only done to offend people

Everything else is economic & shit he doesn't really actually influence.

Well, unless when the economy craters in 2020 you're going to become a hardcore anti-Trumper?

BTW sick way to just copy paste from the Trump website, misspellings and all.

Also, are you pro-inflated deficit?

Further also, "highest income ever" does that take into account the value of the dollar? Wages are stagnant and have been for decades, Trump has done nothing to change that.

We’re you expecting a research paper? This is zilch’s, not a college class.

And like I said, you’ll disregard everything. Ie no point.

Cool, wheres your nobel prize for having leftie friends.

Said Exitspeed:

God this is the most pointless thread on the internet.

No one is going to change their mind in any way shape or form.

I agree, re: befriending the self righteous.

The point was be a fucking adult and be friends with people despite their different views. Not live in an echo chamber.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Your friends are not leftists if they're friends with people who support concentration camps.

They're also probably shitty people.

I have not the time nor the patience for people like you, in real life or online. I have nothing else to say to such a closed mind individual. Good luck with your miserable existence.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Enjoy your echo chamber.

Remember this:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.So why you trying to give them our guns?

You litterally are crying Trump is Hitler and ICE is building concentration camps... But also crying "take our guns, take our money!!"

[Future240]

Your friends are not leftists if they're friends with people who support concentration camps.

They're also probably shitty people.





We can discuss politics and disagree but lets not result to petty insults.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

You think a bunch of fat middle aged idiots with handguns & semi-auto AR15 can legitimately overthrow the US government at this point? It is not the 18th century any more.



Also, I want the concentration camps closed, y'all are the ones who want to control women's bodies, walls built (to keep us in a la East Germany/NK?), unchecked power by large companies to control our lives, etc.



Also Trump isn't Hitler, he just has white supremacist tendencies and often follows his example when giving speeches.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/a67c68461bdf80ec9c7180007ffed95d.jpg.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Corbic, get your boy:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/14/steve-king-abortion-rape-incest-westside-conservative-iowa-representative-birth-iowa-civilization/2007230001/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190814/b08d85d8322cad05cd03389aff63c0bb.jpg

[Future240]

The abolish ice platform is retarded. I cannot support any candidate who runs on it. ICE needs some fixing sure. A better process with the interment camps for sure.


All countries need some type of border protection and enforcement, plain and simple. Try to just stroll up to Canada and see what the fuck happens.

[Corbic]

The abolish ice platform is retarded. I cannot support any candidate who runs on it. ICE needs some fixing sure. A better process with the interment camps for sure.


All countries need some type of border protection and enforcement, plain and simple. Try to just stroll up to Canada and see what the fuck happens.Fucking Racist Piece of Shit.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

You know ICE was created in 2003, right?

The US wasn't some open border wild west in 2002.

Just like DHS was created in 2002.

This stuff literally didn't exist when all of us posting in this thread were sentient human beings.

Are you fucking retarded or are you just lacking any sense of integrity?

ICE was created as a result of 9/11 Terrorist attacks by combining US Immigration Enforcement and US Customs. Two totally independent agencies are now one to improve communication and efficientcy.

And yes, the US was and still is an open boarder wild west. How else did 30 million illegal aliens get here? How did a dozen men slip in and stay on expired Visas to kill 3,000 Americans if it wasn't a fucked up wild west?

God you are twat.

[Future240]

You know ICE was created in 2003, right?

The US wasn't some open border wild west in 2002.

Just like DHS was created in 2002.

This stuff literally didn't exist when all of us posting in this thread were sentient human beings.

What Corbic said.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement was formed pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, following the events of September 11, 2001. With the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, the functions and jurisdictions of several border and revenue enforcement agencies were combined and consolidated into U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Consequently, ICE is the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security, and the second largest contributor to the nation's Joint Terrorism Task Force.

Since that act ICE is in charge of protecting the borders. I acknowledged there are issues with ICE. However, we will always need some type of border enforcement.

Even Sweden enacted border control

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/sweden-turns-welcoming-and-restrictive-its-immigration-policy

With current potus it seems he is focusing on overall numbers vs deporting actual criminals.

I think this (and the media) is why everyone has a thing about trumps deportation policy.

I like the way Obama went about deportation.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not

I get it that people who have lived here illegally for years are breaking the law however so is everyone that buys weed from any “legal” pot shop.

I think Trump should focus on recent border crossings and anyone with a criminal history.

If someone has been here years, has kids, no criminal record imo let’s pas them up for the person who is affiliating with MS13.

I also wish the potus and ICE would target the companies that hire illegals. Heavy fines and or jail time.

[Corbic]

With current potus it seems he is focusing on overall numbers vs deporting actual criminals.

I think this (and the media) is why everyone has a thing about trumps deportation policy.

I disagree.

I think the media, DNC Elites and Left didn't care under Obama because they felt they had finally destroyed the GOP and the Right.

Bush narrowly made it in and Obama was a grand slam. All the polling and "experts" estimated Trump and the GOP had no chance. The DNC really thought a 100 year one party reign was in their grasp.

It didn't happen.

The number of moderate and right of center Americans shocked them. The unions, working class and white women betrayed the DNC and voted T$.

So here we are... Two years of shrieking about Russians, White Naizists and Mexicans in Cages.

Trump has supported expanding immigration for people with actual work skills, the problem is these would be from India and Asian.

Let's call a spade a spade. The DNC wants 3rd world immigrants who support socialism/communism because they want to inflate their voter base. They want Texas, Arizona, Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Indiana to turn forever blue.

This is why they are in hysterics over any attempt to stem the tied of South American immigration.

[LEG1T]

Corey Booker, seems good. Kamala a little questionable in regards to her stance on Marijuana and Prison Profit.

Yang seems like a disaster,.

Wish I could have Obama back.

[Future240]

Corey Booker, seems good. Kamala a little questionable in regards to her stance on Marijuana and Prison Profit.

Yang seems like a disaster,.

Wish I could have Obama back.



Kamala is a big hell no for me.



Booker seems decent. I don't care for his stance on reparations. I also don't see how his baby bonds idea would financially work. His federal jobs guarantee sounds like a disaster waiting.


Like the other dems he wants to ban "assault" weapons. So yea a big no for me.


I really like his stances on the drug war and prison reform.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Cory_Booker




Here is some for them all
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_2020_Democratic_Party_p residential_primary_candidates

[lewisfk]

It will be Biden, and Warren as Vice President. As long as Bidden adopts her plans he will have the best shot. E.W. plans are well thought out and she had a few economist crunch the numbers to ensure her plans could work for the American people.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[lewisfk]

A segment of the population will not vote for women on the top of the ticket. It's said to say, but it's the truth. People want a return to normal and Biden can provide this.

[Corbic]

It will be Biden, and Warren as Vice President. As long as Bidden adopts her plans he will have the best shot. E.W. plans are well thought out and she had a few economist crunch the numbers to ensure her plans could work for the American people.Biden could have locked it down when asked "do you support free health care for illegal aliens" all he had to do was give the middle finger.

Saddly, it's a race to the leftist bottom of free shit give away and extremist pandering. The DNC will again be shocked when "normal" America votes for Trump despite him being a bigoted orange neo Nazi racist whamen hating Russian spy.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[feito]

man, the more this baby guy keeps talking the more he sounds like a 16yo lol

Anyway.... how about that biden liking even the bad races uh? lol wasnt that funny af
And that beto stopping at a gun show? Must have been hard to find the right fudds.
That martian looking mf castro instigating violence and division in his home town by pointing at companies that donated to trump.
And that maher guy? Rich SOB wishing millions to suffer through a recession only because of his hate for ONE guy??? Pfffff.... talk about TDS

Funny how most of those who complain about trumps america are doing pretty good...

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[lewisfk]

gbaby: I agree with you 100%! Our elected officials from all parties need to be called out for this shit. As an American citizen you are entitled to know if your Politicians is being paid by lobbyist/ corporations. This is one of the reasons why The Freedom of Information Act was passed. It is also up to the citizens to hold our Politicians accountable for this shit. In order, Politicians care about their financial interest, their legacy, political parties success, and then the needs of the populist. This is my opinion!

[exitspeed]

*Calls someone 16 yo*

*proceeds to write a post that reads like an illiterate eighth grader's attempt to mock some kids on the playground*

And yeah, in a crazy twist, many people who are doing fairly well in life also want good things for other people...they just happen to not be Republicans.

Also, everything Castro shared is public record. If you don't want that info out there, don't be a shitty person.

Man you are the biggest elitist prick I’ve ever come across online. Period. Your arrogance knows no bounds. That’s not even a personal attacking, it’s a matter of fact.

This attitude is the exact reason Trump is in the WH. And entire party that thinks like this is down right scary.

Just wow.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

And that beto stopping at a gun show? Must have been hard to find the right fudds....

Beto is a dumbass.
No wonder T$ has record support from African Americans. Twenty Eight Mother Fucking Percent. 28%!!! One in Four!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190819/0ad48b7feb33ed687c8fd1bf8a68f90b.jpg

[exitspeed]

And no, my attitude is not the reason Trump won. You and I never interacted once before Trump was elected, you're just not someone who cares about other people.

Knowing the truth and expecting a basic level of competency from people is not elitist, your ignorance is not my fault & you shouldn't get a pass for it.

You’re right. Holding a Make A Wish fundraiser at home home for more than 150 people and raising thousands of dollars annually, and having new born screening procedures changed in the state of WI (literally effectively every child that has been born in this state since 2012) to help catch more children that could be at risk of rare diseases. Not to mention the other volunteering my wife and I do throughout the year (some where I donate my professional services that would cost thousands of dollars for a single day).

You don’t know a mother fucking thing about me, who I am, where I grew up or my life experiences.

And it’s not just your arrogance, it’s your whole fucking party.

Right now the Left and the MSM are PRAYING for a recession so Trumps chances of re-election are reduced. Literally hoping people’s retirement funds get partially wiped away. Literally hoping tens of thousands of people lose their jobs. It’s fucking sadistic.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Corbic]

Cool, volunteering to do things that should already be taken care of in the richest country in the world hell yeah man.

I know more about you than you'd like, Mel.

No one is hoping for a recession, acknowledging that one is imminent is different than hoping for one.

Capitalism is cyclical, boom > bust > boom > bust, that's simply how it works. The warning signs that one is coming soon are all here clear as day.

I swear, you guys that claim to champion capitalism don't understand it one bit.

Also that HotepJesus bot has as little understanding of American history as you, it makes sense you'd love his tweet.And he's gone. What a sack of shit.

[lewisfk]

Trump does not have record support from the African American populist! In every poll Trumps approval rating by African Americans ranges from 13-28%. Simple google search!
No Republican President has every had over 38% percent approval by African Americans in the past 40years. If 28% is a mark to be proud of, this Country has hit a new low!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/454574-trump-approval-rating-drops-among-minorities-after-go-back%3famp

[exitspeed]

Trump does not have record support from the African American populist! In every poll Trumps approval rating by African Americans ranges from 13-28%. Simple google search!
No Republican President has every had over 38% percent approval by African Americans in the past 40years. If 28% is a mark to be proud of, this Country has hit a new low!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/454574-trump-approval-rating-drops-among-minorities-after-go-back%3famp

You’re missing the point. Trump won before with less than 10% of the black vote. If he is anywhere near 30% (because people are getting real woke) with the black vote come next year that will be yuuuge. A 5% increase would be significant.

[lewisfk]

A quick look at the numbers from the 2016 presidential election: In 2016, there were 231,556,622 voting-eligible citizens in the United States — out of that number, only 6.5 percent were Black. The number of eligible voters for 2020 will only rise by 100k compared to 2016. African Americans will only make up 6.7-6.8 % of all eligible voters. There are 47.4 million A.Americans in the U.S. 30 million are eligible to vote. In 2018 midterm African Americans voted 90% Democratic, leaving 10% for Republicans and Libertarian Candidates. A poll is only a segment of a populist and has a margin of error. If 2018 is a preview for 2020 there is no way in hell the President will get 10% of the African American vote.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/08/the-2018-midterm-vote-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/an-early-look-at-the-2020-electorate/


https://www.phillytrib.com/news/black-voter-turnout-a-look-at-the-numbers/article_49d1aed9-76be-550e-b063-15ad7639dc97.html

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/facts-for-features/2019/black-history-month.html

[Corbic]

You’re missing the point. Trump won before with less than 10% of the black vote. If he is anywhere near 30% (because people are getting real woke) with the black vote come next year that will be yuuuge. A 5% increase would be significant.Exactly, the "worse then racist" President is polling stronger then Bush, McCain or Romulon.

It shows two things:

A. We have an increasing number of Black Americans that realize rich white liberals don't have their best interest in mind. Black's are just props for the #victim crowd and mindless votes for the elite.

B. The Economy. Blacks have had a record comeback from the last 12 years. The Obama Utopia did little to move the needle. Contrast that with the DNC promising free green cards and health care to illegal aliens - which does zilch to help struggling black communities or build upon black success.

I don't think the average black man gives a shit that T$ grabs them bitches by the pussy as long as he's getting salary increases and overtime letting him put food on the table. We'll leave that to the Vox Bloggers to rage about.

[Future240]

No one is hoping for a recession, acknowledging that one is imminent is different than hoping for one. .



Bill Maher literally is hoping for one.

This is him doubling down on it.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/maher-job-loss-and-recession-are-worth-it-if-it-means-trump-wont-get-re-elected


Maher reiterated his desire for a recession that would tank Trump's political prospects before the 2020 election. (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/2020-presidential-election) That prompted business columnist Josh Barro to remind Maher that "recessions are really bad" and that people lost their jobs as a result. "I know," Maher responded, "but it's worth it." His comments came as Democrats tried to attack the president amid stellar economic metrics.




Now that is some high class fuckery there. You hate the president so much you are ok with people losing jobs just to get him out of office? Get the fuck out of here with that.


I am no Trump fan but I would never WANT something bad to happen just so he can get out of office. Regardless of how I personally feel, he still is the president. He is leading the country I fucking live in. I wish only for him to have the great success.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[Future240]

^^^^Devils advocate. Obama had 8 years to grow the economy. Trump has had 3. I am not going to argue the economy of who did better. Just pointing out it is honestly kind of hard to get a true apples to apples comparison. Also Obama got handed a down economy. It is possible the economy good behave like people losing weight. A fat person would lose more weight than a skinny person as they have more to lose. IE a bad economy (fat) could increase faster than an already good (skinny) economy.




Maher is centrist, he's much farther to the right than I. TBH, corbic probably would agree with him if he'd just call himself a republican. .



As a centrist he seems lefty to me. Not saying being a lefty is a bad thing. Just seems to be where he falls.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

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[Corbic]

^^^^Devils advocate. Obama had 8 years to grow the economy. Trump has had 3. I am not going to argue the economy of who did better. Just pointing out it is honestly kind of hard to get a true apples to apples comparison. Also Obama got handed a down economy. It is possible the economy good behave like people losing weight. A fat person would lose more weight than a skinny person as they have more to lose. IE a bad economy (fat) could increase faster than an already good (skinny) economy.








As a centrist he seems lefty to me. Not saying being a lefty is a bad thing. Just seems to be where he falls.https://www.amazon.com/New-Deal-Raw-Economic-Damaged/dp/1416592377

Good read. Strong post mortom of how FDR's "New Deal" basically made a depression into a "Great Depression" and prolonged it's recovery. He did it to maintain power and control over the DNC.

Much of Obamas administration can be critiqued in the same was. We wasted trillions on feel good spending that only hampered recovery. Hell, much of the 2008 Crisis could be blamed on bad policies enacted over the previous 20 years, which included Bill Clinton and several DNC controlled Senate's.

No one is blameless, but there is something to say about positive energy and optimism. Obama was a rerun of Jimmy Carter and his "better mileage" plan. "Americans need to learn to live with less, inflation is the new normal, we shouldn't expect to be #1 forever."

He got his teeth kicked in by the boombastic Movie star that was "Die you Commie Bastards, America, Fuck Yeah!!" and we saw an economic explosion that pretty much lasted till 2008...(with some corrections).

[Corbic]

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[lewisfk]

^^ President Obama gets demonized for the debt, but people forget the bullshit he had to fix! He inherited two wars, jobs at its a lowest level in 20 years, automotive industry going belly up, house market crashed, and all of that accumulated into one hell of a recession! Republicans refused to raise the debt ceiling and approve a budget multiple times! Obama's DEBT vs GDP started at 103.4-108T. His debt as whole started about 12.5 T and ended at 20 Trillion. President Trump inherited a damn good economy, with unemployment at very low levels. President Clinton left Bush a great economy. Bush left Obama a dumpster fire. Obama left Trump a great economy and job numbers. What will Trump leave for the next Commander and Chief?







https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/gop-presidents-have-been-the-worst-contributors-to-the-federal-debt/264193/

https://www.debtconsolidation.com/us-debt-presidents/


https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

[feito]

The warning signs that one is coming soon are all here clear as day.

like the signs that trump was about to be impeached 1 year ago? Or like the signs that he was about to start a nuclear war with NK? How about the clear signs that he had colluded with russia and was surely to be found guilty?

Doesnt matter thou. Further economic growth will be accredited to bho by radical leftists, even though the whole 3% gdp and all.

And after no economic collapse happens, lefties will just repeat whatever the MSM tells them to next.

Funny how even though some of these members consider themselves so intelligent they always come in here or in the other thread repeating what's hot in the news...

[rvns14]

Exactly, the "worse then racist" President is polling stronger then Bush, McCain or Romulon.

It shows two things:

A. We have an increasing number of Black Americans that realize rich white liberals don't have their best interest in mind. Black's are just props for the #victim crowd and mindless votes for the elite.

B. The Economy. Blacks have had a record comeback from the last 12 years. The Obama Utopia did little to move the needle. Contrast that with the DNC promising free green cards and health care to illegal aliens - which does zilch to help struggling black communities or build upon black success.

I don't think the average black man gives a shit that T$ grabs them bitches by the pussy as long as he's getting salary increases and overtime letting him put food on the table. We'll leave that to the Vox Bloggers to rage about.


Average black man here, get bent.

[lewisfk]

^^ agreed! I wouldn't pisss on him if he was on �� trash!

[feito]

Lmfao thats a whole lotta hate coming from people who claim to want peace and unity.

[exitspeed]

This is just plain funny.

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[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

They can't grasp that concept.



You're the least intelligent person I've ever encountered on the internet. Sit down, have a juice box and think about how the government turned the frogs gay.



August 20, 2019: The alt-right has yet to discover comedy.




Trump trying to make it impossible to sue for discriminatory housing practices.

https://www.curbed.com/2019/8/19/20812039/disparate-impact-hud-fair-housing-ben-carson

I wonder if it has anything to do with he & his father being sued for their own racist housing practices?

I'm sure the mayo supremacists in this thread will say there isn't a racist bone in his body, because every one knows the skeleton is the racist part of humans.

inb4 UNITED STATES VERSUS TRUMP never happened:

https://www.clearinghouse.net/chDocs/public/FH-NY-0024-0034.pdf

oh wait.

I do not envy the misery you live in.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

I do not envy being a middle aged dude terrified of a world in which being a below Mendoza line white dude doesn't give you a huge advantage in life.

To me that sounds more miserable.

Na bruh. Life is good.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Cool, congrats. Now stop trying to make it worse for people that can't claim mayonnaise as 22 of their 23 chromosomes.

Wow man. Just wow. :picardfp:

[lewisfk]

^^ Damn bro, do you listen to the The Breakfast Club? I do not have hate; all of my comments have been very constructive. I cannot condone the President’s actions and the language he uses. I hold myself to a higher standard, my COC holds me to a higher standard. I love being a U.S. Navy Corpsman; there are days I cry and days I smile. I am at a point in my career where I cannot body bag anymore-young heroes! This President lacks the empathy and sympathy to understand this! There are 30 years of audio and video recordings of him admitting to things or saying things, which would have me kicked out the military! Has the U.S. compromised its morals, and integrity?

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

^^ Damn bro, do you listen to the The Breakfast Club? I do not have hate; all of my comments have been very constructive. I cannot condone the President’s actions and the language he uses. I hold myself to a higher standard, my COC holds me to a higher standard. I love being a U.S. Navy Corpsman; there are days I cry and days I smile. I am at a point in my career where I cannot body bag anymore-young heroes! This President lacks the empathy and sympathy to understand this! There are 30 years of audio and video recordings of him admitting to things or saying things, which would have me kicked out the military! Has the U.S. compromised its morals, and integrity?

I think that was thrown out when Bill was getting head and shooting loads on interns in the Oval Office.

Trump is far from perfect, but he’s doing a lot of good even if he is lacking the tact that some people expect from someone in his position. I honestly just ignore most of the stupid shit he says.

[Future240]

I think that was thrown out when Bill was getting head and shooting loads on interns in the Oval Office.

Trump is far from perfect, but he’s doing a lot of good even if he is lacking the tact that some people expect from someone in his position. I honestly just ignore most of the stupid shit he says.


Bush and Obama both acted with more tact.


The one thing I think the left and the right can agree on is the President should give more thought to the things he says. He is the leader of a country, not a reality TV star.


The grab 'em by the pussy line idgaf about as it was locker room talk that happened years ago. You all would be lying if you have not had convo's with your boys about all the shit you'd do or have done to/with women.


His habit of insulting people in tweets, name calling etc. is unbecoming of a world leader as was Slick Willy's affair.


IMO he should take the high road even when his opponents (Rashida) do not.


I would expect this of all politicians no matter the letter next to their name.

[exitspeed]

Bush and Obama both acted with more tact.


The one thing I think the left and the right can agree on is the President should give more thought to the things he says. He is the leader of a country, not a reality TV star.


The grab 'em by the pussy line idgaf about as it was locker room talk that happened years ago. You all would be lying if you have not had convo's with your boys about all the shit you'd do or have done to/with women.


His habit of insulting people in tweets, name calling etc. is unbecoming of a world leader as was Slick Willy's affair.


IMO he should take the high road even when his opponents (Rashida) do not.


I would expect this of all politicians no matter the letter next to their name.

I get it. And I agree.

However, the reason people are saying fuck it is because the political correctness is out of control. People are sick or it. Everything is offensive, racist, bigoted, homophobic, etc. He’s the first politician to stand up to the Lefts bullying.

[lewisfk]

Hold up, the Right went ape shit over Obama fist bump and when he stared at his wife's ass. The South bible and gun comment! Even though at several dealerships in Texas and Alabama they give you a shotgun and a bible when you buy a truck.

How about Trumps comments today. President Trump said that Jewish people who vote for Democrats are either ignorant or disloyal!

Political correctness is a good thing 99.9% of the time! Its like using a condom, and who likes using a condom? I may need to work on the punch line!

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[feito]

You're the least intelligent person I've ever encountered on the internet.

Well, coming from a looney radical leftist who inside his head lives in bizarro world, i'll take that as a compliment!

You come without any filters on, you remind me of someone i support. I think i kinda like you.

Btw, you've just "insulted" an immigrant, you pos bigot.

[Future240]

Sit your Hellmann's-American ass down.



NOPE


Normally we edit these comments. However I want to let this one stand as an example.


Racial epithets apply to all races.


If someone told me "sit my Hershey bar ass down" there is no way I could take that anyway but racially.


30 days.

[lewisfk]

U know what everybody, there is no need to be politically correct if it's a joke. So I'm the King of Israel, I'm the chosen one! I walk on water, and I love grabbing women by the p....!

How about that shit!

Let's buy Greenland and Iceland, their leader she is NASTY. I never meet her or had a conversation, but she is NASTY!

[exitspeed]

Add this to the list of positives things Trump has done.

Trump Orders Student Loan Forgiveness for Disabled Veterans

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/trump-veterans-student-loans.html

[spooled240]

NOPE


Normally we edit these comments. However I want to let this one stand as an example.


Racial epithets apply to all races.


If someone told me "sit my Hershey bar ass down" there is no way I could take that anyway but racially.


30 days.



lmao

I think there was definitely a bit of the pot calling the kettle black going on there..or rather the ranch dressing calling the mayo white? :keke:

I'm more of a dijon mustard in case anyone is wondering.

[lewisfk]

Add this to the list of positives things Trump has done.

Trump Orders Student Loan Forgiveness for Disabled Veterans

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/us/trump-veterans-student-loans.html


How about the teaching grants that were converted to high interest Loans because the administration appointed an incompetent person to run the Education Department. There actions effected veterans and their dependents who are teachers! NPR's reports pressed Bessie DeVos the Education Secretary and the President for an answer ,they were given lip service. Troops to Teachers program that includes dependents!

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/07/02/624278514/senators-to-devos-on-teach-grant-debacle-urgent-that-these-mistakes-are-fixed

[Munki]

I'm voting for trump in 2020. I could honestly give two shits about politics, but the way the left are now days, I would do whatever needed to keep them out of office as they are the real racist scum...

[lewisfk]

Why are your calling people racist, because they don't believe or follow your ideology! The President has a 30-year record of racism and was sued and found guilty of this. The Republican Party has an outreach program to convince people of color to join their part. Michael Steele was the person who set it up! The Democrats don't have that issue. I am an Independent. I love my guns! I love my steaks med rare or rare if it's wagyu beef. My dream is to raise Angus crossed with Wagyu cattle on 20 -50/acre ranch! I just happen to agree more with Dems, and I generally care about the poor and less fortunate.

[Future240]

I am an Independent. I love my guns! I love my steaks med rare or rare if it's wagyu beef. My dream is to raise Angus crossed with Wagyu cattle on 20 -50/acre ranch! I generally care about the poor and less fortunate.

Shout out to this part.

Wagyu is a dream of mine to have. I literally have a goal when I make supervisor at my job I will buy an A5 wagyu ribeye.

Hit a brother up if you ever make that dream!

Funny part is pretty much every democrat wants some type of gun control. A lot of them support AR15 bans too. I am cool with a more intense background check. I cannot support banning “assaults weapons”.

It’s a weird election for me. I’m not a trump fan in the least bit.

The dems are SOOO far left though.

I just want a moderate.

Pro 2a
Legalize marijuana
Arrest employers who hire illegals

Is that too much to ask???

[Corbic]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190823/8beb05e9d460cdc65d48ede695aa6d4f.jpg

[lewisfk]

Shout out to this part.

Wagyu is a dream of mine to have. I literally have a goal when I make supervisor at my job I will buy an A5 wagyu ribeye.

Hit a brother up if you ever make that dream!

Funny part is pretty much every democrat wants some type of gun control. A lot of them support AR15 bans too. I am cool with a more intense background check. I cannot support banning “assaults weapons”.

It’s a weird election for me. I’m not a trump fan in the least bit.

The dems are SOOO far left though.

I just want a moderate.

Pro 2a
Legalize marijuana
Arrest employers who hire illegals

Is that too much to ask???

Everything you said is 100% correct. I sold my AR-10 on this platform 4 months ago or so, but I couldn't update my trader rating. My credit took a large hit due to my wife's cancer and not being able to work. I retire next year and I've started gathering my VA disability claim and working with a counselor. My rating will be at least 70%. This will cut my taxes in half and allow me to apply for land grants. Texas Veteran Land Board (VLB) will be my underwriter with an interest rate of 4.5-6.5. The hardest thing is finding land with a creek and good well water. I'm watching 3 properties which are 15 acres or more. They have no deed restriction and can double as a hunting lease for extra revenue!

[lewisfk]

Conservative radio host and former Illinois US Rep. Joe Walsh will challenge President Donald Trump for the Republican presidential nomination in 2020, he announced Sunday. A true Conservative going toe to toe with the POTUS! How many more Republicans will jump ship?

[Future240]

Some info on Joe.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Walsh_(Illinois_politician)










.

[S14rebuild]

My vote will be solid for 4 more years of trump! Please and thank you.

[lewisfk]

^^ Will you vote for him if the economy goes into a recession? China could easily damage our economy and accomplish this! U.S. goods imported from China totaled $539.5 billion in 2018, up 6.7% ($34.0 billion) from 2017, and up 59.7% from 2008. If China deliberately slowed manufacturing and exports to the US that would send our economy into a free fall. This will drastically impact China's economy, but their citizens can endure hardships better than us.

[S14rebuild]

^ yes i still would. He does protect my rights and in all honesty he hasnt effected my life in a negative way. I support alot of his policys and agree with him on alot. the wall, 2nd admendment rights(pissed about bump stocks) and abortion. With the tax setup hes acually saved me money. So yes he is a chatty president and likes to use soci media, but i have a feeling that will be the norm now going foward, others will do the same. But i was/am attched to his no bullshit, calln people out attitude.

[lewisfk]

As long as your life is not impacted, everything is good. Even if the soybean, corn, and dairy farms go belly up? The goal is to have an elected official who can make it work for everyone, there are moderate Republicans challenging the President and that's a damn good thing.

[S14rebuild]

^ my vote is cast by none other then me. By reading this tread i could see my opinion wouldnt be the polpular one, but i still have my right to have one. by last election there are plenty of people that feel the same as i do.

This goal you speak of has never and will never be reached. Just like i have, every one sees the end result diffrent. Some are willing to sacrifice for others, some are not. I will not. Trump is my president and im very proud he is. He will get my vote again.

[midnight zenki]

Farmers Union is fed up with Trump and then "Gina" magically wants to talk. Looks like the panic is real, but remember he's the best negotiator. More tax cuts, bigger deficits and "fiscal conservatives" remain quiet...

[midnight zenki]

^ yes i still would. He does protect my rights and in all honesty he hasnt effected my life in a negative way. I support alot of his policys and agree with him on alot. the wall, 2nd admendment rights(pissed about bump stocks) and abortion. With the tax setup hes acually saved me money. So yes he is a chatty president and likes to use soci media, but i have a feeling that will be the norm now going foward, others will do the same. But i was/am attched to his no bullshit, calln people out attitude.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

[S14rebuild]

^ I see what u did there....but if your telln me trump is all that....then hes hiding the biggest secrets EVER.

[lewisfk]

^^ Deep! Through Federal and State taxation this country was built and improved upon. Are we at the point in this Country, my problems are bigger than the Countries problems. (me, myself, and I) Well J. Cole, I guess we need that app for our phone. Now I can decide were my tax dollars go! Florida is known for hurricanes, that doesn't affect me, California has wild fires doesn't affect me, massive flooding hitting parts of Texas, doesn't affect me. We need a Whole Foods in my city, you can tax me for that! I'll send you thoughts and prayers!

[S14rebuild]

^ exactly....i worry about myself and whats mine. I would never expect someone eles tobe there for me, or help. Thats an issuse with this cou try..people fail and expect others to be there to pick them up. Free hand outs..... n put no effort back in after.

[exitspeed]

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Hilarious. Gbaby used the exact same thing in poem to me calling the MSM and the Lefties that refuse to be around non lefties an echo chamber. And here you go using it again, thus proving my point perfectly.

I also think this next election will have as much to do with how people think Trump is doing as it will be a reflection on how the country feels about the country moving towards socialism. Even the “moderate” lefties are so far left and towards socialism (offering everything for free sure does sound nice) that they are going to be associated with the socialism.

I’m just generally in the mindset that I don’t think the MAJORITY of people (even most lefties) do not want socialism in this country. It’s un-American. It’s the exact opposite of what built this country into the greatest nation the world has ever seen.

[lewisfk]

^ exactly....i worry about myself and whats mine. I would never expect someone eles tobe there for me, or help. Thats an issuse with this cou try..people fail and expect others to be there to pick them up. Free hand outs..... n put no effort back in after.


First off its not a hand out to provide assistance. WWI and WWII were not hand outs. You benefit from everyone who works and contributes to this Country. Not everyone in this Country is able to work for various reasons, and is not my job to demean people who cant. Welfare was started during the Great Depression and I EMPLOY you to read who was able to receive those benefits.

[exitspeed]

First off its not a hand out to provide assistance. WWI and WWII were not hand outs. You benefit from everyone who works and contributes to this Country. Not everyone in this Country is able to work for various reasons, and is not my job to demean people who cant. Welfare was started during the Great Depression and I EMPLOY you to read who was able to receive those benefits.

I think you mean implore.

And yes that was during the Great Depression.

True not every CAN work. But if you CAN then there’s no reason not to. There’s a difference.

[S14rebuild]

Were not talking about the great depression we are talking about today, now! There are lots of people taking advantage of it, n free hand outs.
I never said cut out assistance. Only stating time to cut out the ones taking advantage.

[lewisfk]

^^ So how do you propose we accomplish this? History repeats itself and some off the trends are apparent in today's economy!

[S14rebuild]

passing a drug test would be a nice start.

[lewisfk]

Florida wasted millions of dollars drug testing people for government assistance and only found 1% used. They spent more money on the drug testing than they would of processing the individuals assistance they requested.

[S14rebuild]

Okay, the war on drugs cost billions..we should give up on that?

What about the war on crime..im sure that costs a crqzy amount too...so just give up on that aswell?

[lewisfk]

The war on drugs was propaganda by the U.S. that incarcerated poor people and minorities for very low possession charges and crimes. Joe Biden help write the crime bill that lead to mass incarceration, that is why the Liberal side of the Democratic Party is kicking his teeth in! The CIA help spread crack through out the Nation to suppress the poor in urban areas and to fund the Iran war. The Iran–Contra affair, popularized in Iran as the McFarlane affair, also referred to as Irangate, Contragate, the Iran–Contra scandal, or simply Iran–Contra, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration.

[exitspeed]

^^ Will you vote for him if the economy goes into a recession? China could easily damage our economy and accomplish this! U.S. goods imported from China totaled $539.5 billion in 2018, up 6.7% ($34.0 billion) from 2017, and up 59.7% from 2008. If China deliberately slowed manufacturing and exports to the US that would send our economy into a free fall. This will drastically impact China's economy, but their citizens can endure hardships better than us.

Will you vote for him if the economy continues to roar, a deal is made with China and the border crisis is resolved?

Of course you won’t.

[lewisfk]

Will you vote for him if the economy continues to roar, a deal is made with China and the border crisis is resolved?

Of course you won’t.

No I will not! I will vote for one of the Republicans who is standing up for the rule of law and common decency. I may vote for Elizabeth Warren if she Teams up with Bidden. I'll be happy to trade in my AR-10/15 if it gets universal healthcare for children, and the improvised. I spent almost 20 years working in military and civilian medicine. The Country is getting railed, when it comes to health care and its prices. Our Healthcare System is no better than the NCAA!

[midnight zenki]

Hilarious. Gbaby used the exact same thing in poem to me calling the MSM and the Lefties that refuse to be around non lefties an echo chamber. And here you go using it again, thus proving my point perfectly.

I also think this next election will have as much to do with how people think Trump is doing as it will be a reflection on how the country feels about the country moving towards socialism. Even the “moderate” lefties are so far left and towards socialism (offering everything for free sure does sound nice) that they are going to be associated with the socialism.

I’m just generally in the mindset that I don’t think the MAJORITY of people (even most lefties) do not want socialism in this country. It’s un-American. It’s the exact opposite of what built this country into the greatest nation the world has ever seen.

Cool story bro and also an interesting coincidence, could it be because its relevant and applicable or am I part of the Deep State/MSM/whatever scapegoat you want to try and blame common sentiment on? MSM bullshit gets old, what's your "better" source(s)? When common decency is thrown out due to radicalized and amplified opinions on either side the result is tribal infighting which in itself is un-American. We as a nation can help each other out without becoming a welfare state through the application of common sense and moderation, not blind allegiance as is implied by a majority of your assumptions.

P.S. You suck at english, see the bolded double negative stating that you do think a majority want socialism:picardfp:

[exitspeed]

Cool story bro and also an interesting coincidence, could it be because its relevant and applicable or am I part of the Deep State/MSM/whatever scapegoat you want to try and blame common sentiment on? MSM bullshit gets old, what's your "better" source(s)? When common decency is thrown out due to radicalized and amplified opinions on either side the result is tribal infighting which in itself is un-American. We as a nation can help each other out without becoming a welfare state through the application of common sense and moderation, not blind allegiance as is implied by a majority of your assumptions.

P.S. You suck at english, see the bolded double negative stating that you do think a majority want socialism:picardfp:

P.S. this is Zilvia, not a college course. I really don’t give a shit. You know wtf I meant. I typically only have a min or so to try and respond on here. So pardon my haste. You know, common decency.

[S14rebuild]

The war on drugs was propaganda by the U.S. that incarcerated poor people and minorities for very low possession charges and crimes. Joe Biden help write the crime bill that lead to mass incarceration, that is why the Liberal side of the Democratic Party is kicking his teeth in! The CIA help spread crack through out the Nation to suppress the poor in urban areas and to fund the Iran war. The Iran–Contra affair, popularized in Iran as the McFarlane affair, also referred to as Irangate, Contragate, the Iran–Contra scandal, or simply Iran–Contra, was a political scandal in the United States that occurred during the second term of the Reagan Administration.


Wheres all this proof...sound like someone only wants to hear themself talk. One wat thinker. Has an answer for everything but is never wrong. Im glad u have ur opinions and i have mine. But its people like u that will state and bs comment or statement to put themselves on top are whats wrong here. U can state whatever histroy article or twisted fact u want but me and more then half this country voted our great presidential leader in, and it will happen again. Im not sorry u cant accept that.

[midnight zenki]

P.S. this is Zilvia, not a college course. I really don’t give a shit. You know wtf I meant. I typically only have a min or so to try and respond on here. So pardon my haste. You know, common decency.

#triggered snowflake, words matter and how you use them matter, especially when they contradict your point.

[midnight zenki]

Wheres all this proof...sound like someone only wants to hear themself talk. One wat thinker. Has an answer for everything but is never wrong. Im glad u have ur opinions and i have mine. But its people like u that will state and bs comment or statement to put themselves on top are whats wrong here. U can state whatever histroy article or twisted fact u want but me and more then half this country voted our great presidential leader in, and it will happen again. Im not sorry u cant accept that.

Wrong, the electoral college voted him in, approximately 40% of the people voted for him and those who didn’t vote at all we’re truly responsible for the “great leader” being elected.

[exitspeed]

#triggered snowflake, words matter and how you use them matter, especially when they contradict your point dumbass.

There’s that common decency you so eloquently speak of again.

The elitism is just dripping. So superior.

[exitspeed]

https://twitter.com/YAAS_America/status/1166403829144915969?s=20

Y’all go ahead. I’m good.

[lewisfk]

Wheres all this proof...sound like someone only wants to hear themself talk. One wat thinker. Has an answer for everything but is never wrong. Im glad u have ur opinions and i have mine. But its people like u that will state and bs comment or statement to put themselves on top are whats wrong here. U can state whatever histroy article or twisted fact u want but me and more then half this country voted our great presidential leader in, and it will happen again. Im not sorry u cant accept that.

ITS CALLED THE STATUE OF LIMITATIONS! The CIA admitted to using seized assets from American citizens to fund wars. Most Police departments use the same tactics to seize your money or personnel items when they arrest an individual regardless if your guilty or innocent! The Supreme Court just ruled it unlawful, and the Court must decide what is seized from an American citizen.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/index.html

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/supreme-court-rules-for-owner-of-seized-land-rover-says-excessive-fines-clause-applies-to-states

[Future240]

Okay, the war on drugs cost billions..we should give up on that?

YES!

The war on drugs is one of the worst decision this country has made. Countless lives have been ruined and it had helped destroy a lot of families.


https://www.history.com/news/americas-war-on-drugs-was-designed-to-fail-so-why-is-it-being-revived-now

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/four-decades-counting-continued-failure-war-drugs

https://www.newsweek.com/global-war-drugs-has-been-spectacular-failure-1181831

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ap-impact-after-40-years-1-trillion-us-war-on-drugs-has-failed-to-meet-any-of-its-goals

Opinion peace
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2012/01/16/its-time-to-end-the-war-on-drugs/

Even Ben Shapiro called it a failure.
https://mobile.twitter.com/benshapiro/status/451774030039642112?lang=en

[exitspeed]

I agree the war on drugs and the history behind it (although initially it had good intentions) is very bad. Unfortunately I haven’t heard of a valid alternative, such as legalization starting with marijuana and early education (D.A.R.E. was reeeeeeaaaal effective). Obama passed some grant bs in 2016 that provided funds locally to help treat addicts and overdoses. Hasn’t done shit.

Honestly if there was a real plan to combat addiction presented to Trump he would act. It’s not his job to come up with the solutions. But I genuinely believe if he was presented with one he’d pass it.

This is a very personal topic for me (please be respectful. I don’t speak of this casually) as my mother was a alcoholic and drug addict for the 3/4 of my life and ultimately lost her battle to her drug addiction. We talk about mental health in this country but it’s a real real problem. My mother was in and out of rehab most of my life and could never kick it. But it was her bi polar condition and the traumas of her child hood (which I prefer not to be specific about) that had her going back to the pipe time and time again.

[Future240]

My opinion on the drug war is we need to start with honesty.


Just look at the schedule.


LSD and weed are schedule 1 yet fucking METH and coke is Schedule 2.


I also believe we need to take a proactive approach instead of reactive.


We cannot legislate morality. The sooner politicians learn that the better. Instead of massive sentences for users, how about treatment programs. Users are low hanging fruit cops can use to up drug bust numbers. Lets target dealers not users.


Treat drugs like they deserve to be treated. Regulate and legalize weed and shrooms. LSD and Ecstasy should be schedule 3. Possessing not an offense but selling is. The cops could sell drug testing kits that will show if your shit is laced.


Meth, heroin, fentanyl, crack and cocaine all schedule 1. Users get treatment programs vs jail time. The programs could be paid for by the taxes from legalized weed and shrooms.


My personal belief is drugs are man made. Items that grow hear naturally were put here by God and have there purposes. People have used cannabis for centuries with no issue. It only became a "drug" when it was classified as one.


Look at the dutch and their coffee shops. It can work. No one wants something like the Chinese opium crisis, but we cannot pretend anymore the propaganda we were fed as kids is true.
Schedule I

Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:




heroin
lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD)
marijuana (cannabis)
3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy),
methaqualone
peyote
Schedule II drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a high potential for abuse, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependence. These drugs are also considered dangerous. Some examples of Schedule II drugs are:

Combination products with less than 15 milligrams of hydrocodone per dosage unit (Vicodin)
cocaine
methamphetamine
methadone
hydromorphone (Dilaudid)
meperidine (Demerol)
oxycodone (OxyContin)
fentanyl
Dexedrine
Adderall
Ritalin

[exitspeed]

My problem is with the legalizing weed is it hasn't done all the the things the legalization proponents claimed it would do. For instance eliminating the black market. In fact the black market in the states that have legalized it weed has skyrocketed (black market is 70-80% of sales). So while the states are getting some additional taxes from sales, it's a fraction of what it should be and has actually lead to more illegal activity. Why pay uncle sam when you can sell the shit illegally and make more money like drug dealers always have.

In California, early projections anticipated annual cannabis tax receipts of more than $1 billion by 2018. But those predictions were far off, with $345 million actually collected last year

In another tactic aimed at illegal dispensaries, the Los Angeles Police Department has accompanied city officials on operations in which they shut off utilities at illegal stores. Nevertheless, about 55% of the stores reopen within a week

LA. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/11/las-black-market-for-weed-threatens-the-growth-of-its-legal-business.html

Same shit in MASS. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/marijuana/2019/02/02/illicit-pot-market-remains-stubbornly-robust/Fqq5baxLvgkrTB1ABJRbEL/story.html

In the case of MI, they are so broke they can't even do anything about it, thus hurting the people that want to follow the laws. https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/08/with-little-funding-or-political-will-michigan-police-let-black-market-weed-slide.html

So here is an example of you give an inch and they take a mile. People STILL want to break the law even when they literally don't have to.

[midnight zenki]

There’s that common decency you so eloquently speak of again.

The elitism is just dripping. So superior.


I understand it's easy to throw out labels to deflect but there was a question in the original reply for you, what are your sources of information given that you rail against the MSM so vigorously?

I do agree with you regarding the failure of legal weed to be fully capitalized on from a tax source perspective, being in CO this was quickly made apparent. That said, I value the freedom of choice that is associated with its becoming legal.

[exitspeed]

I understand it's easy to throw out labels to deflect but there was a question in the original reply for you, what are your sources of information given that you rail against the MSM so vigorously?

I do agree with you regarding the failure of legal weed to be fully capitalized on from a tax source perspective, being in CO this was quickly made apparent. That said, I value the freedom of choice that is associated with its becoming legal.

The source is the MSM. It’s the most biased they’ve ever been in the hirsute of this county.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-trump-hatred-coverage/

This study showed that 92% of media coverage is negative. Trash.

Now in response to the country not moving toward socialism, that is just my observation. That observation does not come from the MSM, but just my general interaction with people all around the country (I’m in a different state almost monthly). I don’t bring up politics at all (around cod workers) but if it does come up I’ll usually chime in with some Devils Advocate replies and in my experience people aren’t for it. Again, that’s just my observation.

[lewisfk]

That's why is use CSPAN and NPR

[Future240]

My problem is with the legalizing weed is it hasn't done all the the things the legalization proponents claimed it would do. For instance eliminating the black market. In fact the black market in the states that have legalized it weed has skyrocketed (black market is 70-80% of sales). So while the states are getting some additional taxes from sales, it's a fraction of what it should be and has actually lead to more illegal activity. Why pay uncle sam when you can sell the shit illegally and make more money like drug dealers always have.





LA. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/11/las-black-market-for-weed-threatens-the-growth-of-its-legal-business.html

Same shit in MASS. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/marijuana/2019/02/02/illicit-pot-market-remains-stubbornly-robust/Fqq5baxLvgkrTB1ABJRbEL/story.html

In the case of MI, they are so broke they can't even do anything about it, thus hurting the people that want to follow the laws. https://www.mlive.com/news/2019/08/with-little-funding-or-political-will-michigan-police-let-black-market-weed-slide.html

So here is an example of you give an inch and they take a mile. People STILL want to break the law even when they literally don't have to.

Yes it is true. Like the article I posted says. It is going to take a while for the legal system to catch up to the highly established black market. The same for the police force. The sales prove the demand is there. One just has to make the legal market match the demand. I went to Colorado the taxes made a 20-ish bottle of gummy’s over 40 bucks. If you know someone who makes edibles who can get you the same thing for 20 bucks you were clearly going to go to the person that is cheaper.

I am well aware that legal businesses have overhead that illegal businesses do not. However that is when both laws and the market will have to find a way to catch up to the illegal market. The enforcement will also have to change to drive out illegal shops versus individual users I am well aware that legal businesses have overhead that illegal businesses do not. However that is when both laws and the market will have to find a way to catch up to the illegal market. The enforcement will also have to change to drive out illegal shops versus individual users.

As More states have access the cross state illegal to will also become a non-issue as Morse states have access the cross state elite galaxy will also become a non-issue.

My issue with illegal proponents is they offer no other solution. The country was sold a lie about reefer madness. We have draconian drug laws based off of these lies we were told. It has directly affected a lot of the country. Yet they simply want to keep doing it the same all the way despite the fact It being illegal has done little to curb the demand. The only thing is done is fill the coffers of those profiting off of those who are in prison.

This is America. It’s supposed to be a country built off of freedom and personal choice without a nanny state to tell you what you can and can’t do to yourself. Same goes for the 2A.

I am personally against laws that attempt to legislate morality. Like in the south we have blue laws. If anyone is not familiar with a blue law it’s a law based on pseudo biblical principles such as not buying alcohol on Sunday or at all in the county. In my county we cannot buy alcohol on Sunday before 12 PM. To me that is asinine. There is no good reason why one should not be to purchase alcohol if they so chose to on Sunday morning. Some counties have even taken it so far wear bars cannot pour drinks after 2:30 AM on a Saturday.

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2019/08/21/marijuana-legal-illegal-weed-dispensary

[exitspeed]

^
Im totally realistic about shit. It’s going to be legal everywhere. I’m for it becoming legal. I just don’t think it’s going to have the positive impact that proponents promise. And virtually all studies into the impact of the states that have legalized it show exactly that I’m almost every facet.

And while Refer Madness was ludicrous, the real world effects are being shown to not be ludicrous, but real. This no doubt is compounded today because the strains now are more that 100% more potent. This ain’t the weed I was smoking in HS and I was smoking the good shit back then. Again I just go off of my real world experiences. One of THE smartest dudes I went to HS with (I probably wouldn’t have graduated at al if he didn’t let me copy his homework every day) used to deal and smoke. Ran into him about 8 years later applying for a job where I worked and dude was high af and noticeably less with it. My nephew right now just smokes weed all damn day and is totally useless.

The main difference I see between alcohol and weed is people that are frequent weed users are ok with being high all day. I drink damn near every day but not while I’m fucking working or doing the daily shit. I work with multiple people that will do edibles during the work day. And remember I live in one of the drunkest places on earth. Plenty of folks here to compare shit to.

But again, I’m realistic, it’s happening no matter what. Only time will tell really. I hope it’s positive in the end.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/opinion/marijuana-pot-health-risks-legalization.html

That's why is use CSPAN and NPR

Really? NPR? Really bruh? :ugh: I’m sure there’s looooots of positive stories about Trump on there. *sarcasm Shits like the radio MSNBC. Lol.

[lewisfk]

NPR ranks number one for journalistic integrity, there not Fox News or MSNBC! Hell FOX News can't even beat the Daily Show with facts. You can YouTube the beef between John Stewart and Bill O'Reilly over which network traffic in lies!

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NPR ranks number one for journalistic integrity, there not Fox News or MSNBC! Hell FOX News can't even beat the Daily Show with facts. You can YouTube the beef between John Stewart and Bill O'Reilly over which network traffic in lies!

Be that as it may, give me one example of a positive story they’ve reported...

And yes, Fox News is trash.

[Future240]

BBC
Politico
New York Times
Daily wire

These are the sites I read.

[midnight zenki]

Be that as it may, give me one example of a positive story they’ve reported...

And yes, Fox News is trash.

It does exist, https://www.npr.org/2019/07/19/743502961/thousands-freed-from-prison-custody-as-doj-implements-sentencing-reform-law. Maybe you should apply Occam's Razor to the whole "show me positive coverage of Trump" complaint with NPR...it's probably because there is not much positive to be reported on in the first place.

[lewisfk]

Am I the only one who listens to NPR? NPR allows Republicans, Democrats, and Independents to debate their ideals, and prides itself in being factually correct! I cannot help it that the current President doesn't get the FOX News reach around from NPR journalist!

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It does exist, https://www.npr.org/2019/07/19/743502961/thousands-freed-from-prison-custody-as-doj-implements-sentencing-reform-law. Maybe you should apply Occam's Razor to the whole "show me positive coverage of Trump" complaint with NPR...it's probably because there is not much positive to be reported on in the first place.

That’s my point. Saying the president has done one good thing since he’s been in office is dishonest. NPR may have accurate coverage but they still refuse to talk about the positives (and I’m pretty sure they were all over the Russian collusion hoax). They are part of the 92% negative reporting. And the fact that there is THAT high of a percentage actually proves Occam’s Razor theory. The most obvious explanation is the media is incredibly biased. Which is not surprising considering the overwhelming majority of the media identify as liberals. It’s confirmation bias. The media doesn’t want to believe there’s anything positive to report and therefore won’t report anything positive, thus proving to themselves (and you folks) there is nothing positive.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-bias-left-study/

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Not to detail the thread too much but this just showed up in my feed.

Young people who regularly use marijuana are "more likely to show a decline in IQ and school performance [and] are more apt to miss classes," Adams said. And frequent use of the drug can also impair a child's attention, memory and decision-making.

In addition, it can be habit-forming.

"Nearly 1 in 5 people who begin marijuana use during adolescence become addicted,"

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/08/29/755423290/surgeon-general-sounds-alarm-on-risk-of-marijuana-addiction-and-harm

[Future240]

Makes sense. Kids should not be using substances like weed, alcohol or cigs.

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https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/08/25/gallup-fewer-voters-identify-democrats-today-november-2016-heres/

Results from a November 1-6, 2016 poll showed that 31% of voters identified as Democrats, 27% as Republicans and 36% as Independents. A recently conducted poll indicates a significant shift in those numbers. Currently, 27% of voters consider themselves to be Democrats, 29% as Republicans and 38% as Independents.

The radical left is becoming radical and disconnected. Again, IMO this is because the Left is embracing socialism.

[lewisfk]

Not all people on the left are embracing socialism. That is a buzz word to strike fear in white America republican voters. It is a very effective way to bring your coalition together. Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden are not socialist, because they believe in free markets.

[exitspeed]

I don’t think ALL people on the Left are socialists. But Bernie and then the younger heads of the Democrat party are indeed socialists and have socialist agendas. They get the headlines and that is what is turning people away from the Democrat party.

[lewisfk]

^^ agree with you about the 35 and below crowd. Socialism is not a bad word, throughout this countries history it has partaken in socialism. Example are:

Great depression = food stamps, paid through Farm Bill

Federal Emergency Relief Administration (FERA), which was created by the Federal Emergency Relief Act in 1932

WIC passed 1972 = The first WIC site opened in Kentucky in January 1974 for poor rural farmers.

3 examples of Socialism that happen throughout our countries history. The crazy thing was minorities were excluded from applying for these benefits, and now are demonized for receiving aid in the modern era.

[Future240]

That's the thing though. We do have certain forms of socialism, lets call them traits.


Bernie and company seem to want to transform the country into a primary socialist one. They called billionaires immoral. To the right, a lot of moderates and even some of those on the left that seems idiotic.


The ceo of star bucks made a great point on this. He took a mom and pop coffee store to an international brand and is a billionaire because of it. It is literally the American dream yet some of the loudest voices on the left say he is immoral because of it.


Another thing is the identity politics. The dems seem to be turning into the party of keyboard sjw's.


This for instance
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/17/lgbtq-anti-discrimination-legislation-1452388


A bill which would allow trans females to compete in womens sports. I believe this to be unfair to bio women as SHOCKER these trans women are shattering records.


https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/05/01/transgender-weightlifter-mary-gregory-smashes-womens-world-records/23720231/


I would think most people would find issue with this. Yet EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT voted yes on this bill.


I found myself pushed to the right by standing still as the dems in some areas of went so far left.

[lewisfk]

Future, thanks for dropping some good knowledge.

[Future240]

Beto wants our guns



“I want to be really clear that that’s exactly what we are going to do,” the 2020 Democratic presidential candidate said. “Americans who own AR-15s, AK-47s, will have to sell them to the government. We’re not going to allow them to stay on our streets, to show up in our communities, to be used against us in our synagogues, our churches, our mosques, our Walmarts, our public places.”
“All countries have video games. All countries struggle with mental health. All countries deal with hatred. But only America has more guns than human beings — 390 million firearms in a country of 329 million people — which kill nearly 40,000 people every year,” he wrote. “That’s why, as president, I would institute a mandatory buyback of every assault weapon in America.”


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/beto-orourke-2020-guns-el-paso
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/beto-orourke-vows-mandatory-buyback-of-assault-weapons-if-elected-president

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Yeah that’s not going to happen.

Beto getting the nomination or gun buy back. *cough* confiscation *cough*

[Future240]

yea Beto can get fucked with that one.


Id point to how wonderfully safe Mexico is with their anti gun laws.




















/sarcasm

[rvns14]

A bill which would allow trans females to compete in womens sports. I believe this to be unfair to bio women as SHOCKER these trans women are shattering records.


https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/05/01/transgender-weightlifter-mary-gregory-smashes-womens-world-records/23720231/



My point is made inelegantly, but in the economic sense, when resources can determine who lives and dies, having an excess of resources can be amoral.

Also, just asking, what is the definition of women?

[midnight zenki]

yea Beto can get fucked with that one.


Id point to how wonderfully safe Mexico is with their anti gun laws.


/sarcasm

A. Mexico is basically a narco state due to rampant corruption, prove that when they pulled the guns the shit hit the fan before you throw out a red herring.

B. Australia - Gun by backs drastically reduced the rate of violent gun deaths in a first world democratic nation with a stable government https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-guns/australia-data-shows-gun-controls-a-huge-success-20-years-after-mass-shooting-idUSKCN0XP0HG


C. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The first line says it all, not your fringe 3% militia or basement collection of AR's and AK's but a well regulated militia. If you want your guns so bad perhaps a mandatory law in respect to the 2nd amendment would be a good solution. Mandate service in a military branch in order to be allowed to own a military style firearm in order to provide the well established militia as defined in the 2nd amendment. If you can't hack it, you shouldn't have that type of gun, this would handle the mentally unstable wackos and ensure proper training and handling. Otherwise, allow for standard rifles with permits required to obtain them.

[lewisfk]

Midnight: I don't have a problems with your statements, but others will cry foul! The reason they will cry foul, is because of their perceived notion of birth rights. The Second Amendment must be ratified to reflect modern times. If people want the right to be armed they must serve. If they want the right to vote they must serve. You can serve this Country by becoming a Teacher, Fire, EMT, Nurse, Non Profit for 4 years, volunteering for 4 years with 500 or more service hours, and serving in the Armed Forces. So many people fill entitled, but know nothing of a shared sacrifice. If you served in any of these fills God Bless You!

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Woooooow. This is shocking to hear people say you should need to serve to own a firearm. That is not what the 2nd amendment says nor should it.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The right of the people. And SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

You are not going to law abiding disarm US citizens. The facts about gun deaths verse ownership do not support such extreme measurements.

And also... https://www.instagram.com/tv/B1ZLrz5Hobf/?igshid=1xcy5h743rteh

[midnight zenki]

Woooooow. This is shocking to hear people say you should need to serve to own a firearm. That is not what the 2nd amendment says nor should it.



The right of the people. And SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

You are not going to law abiding disarm US citizens. The facts about gun deaths verse ownership do not support such extreme measurements.

And also... https://www.instagram.com/tv/B1ZLrz5Hobf/?igshid=1xcy5h743rteh

I value the first amendment and all peoples right to live without catching a bullet at any given moment. I live in the most densely populated area for school shootings and I refuse to send my kids to school with a bullet proof backpack because of inaction.

When was the last time that you stopped a crime, stood up to the tyrannical government that has always been out to get you? Newsflash, if the government was out to get you they are going to get you because they will always have better and more guns than you anyway. If your concerned about an invasion or foreign adversaries we have a military for that.

You know the stats on the likelihood of killing someone you love with your own gun vs taking out the “baddies”. A good guy with gun didn’t save anyone at Parkland or any of the other mass shootings, even when they was a good guy with a gun in a Texas Church shooting he didn’t prevent the deaths he stopped the shooter from racking up more.

I didn’t advocate for disarming, that’s false. No mass causality weapons without military service or apply/register for hunting rifles with limited capacity clips and legislate not eradicate including allowable ammunition quantities per person.

[Corbic]

Makes sense. Kids should not be using substances like weed, alcohol or cigs.But can they take hormone blockers?

[Future240]

You all know the scary assault rifles yall want to ban are used in around 2% of murders right?


In 2017, handguns were involved in the majority (64%) of the 10,982 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11.xls). Rifles – the category that includes many guns that are sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” (https://www.businessinsider.com/terms-to-know-about-guns-when-discussing-mass-shootings-2019-8#assault-weapons-3)– were involved in 4%. Shotguns were involved in 2%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (30%) involved firearms that were classified as “other guns or type not stated.”
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/


INb4 "but future240 the article says the FBI stats don't capture all murders!!"


Correct however one can clearly see the trend. People using handguns kill more people than the other guns COMBINED.


Not to mention guns deaths are actually lower than they used to be
The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. are both lower today than in the mid-1970s. There were 4.6 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2017, far below the 7.2 per 100,000 people recorded in 1974. And the rate of gun suicides – 6.9 per 100,000 people in 2017 – remained below the 7.7 per 100,000 measured in 1977.


Feel good legislation at its finest. Just like when Trump banned bump stocks.


See it sounds good on paper then the argument falls apart once we look at data.


Yall are arguing disarming the population over 4% of guns deaths which is around 440 people. Out of those 440 we know for a fact some of those rifles used were not obtained legally.


If we increased the number to 700 and divided it by 300 Million (note: less than the population of the US) we get 0.00000233333 %


That is also assuming the people who would have killed people with rifles don't switch to handguns or shot guns.


Like i said FEEL GOOD LEGISLATION.














ps The total gun death rate is around the same as the car crash rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

[Future240]

But can they take hormone blockers?


Only if their parents are fucking idiots.

[Corbic]

B. Australia - Gun by backs drastically reduced the rate of violent gun deaths in a first world democratic nation with a stable government.

That's a lie. Homicide rates remained flat. I kill you with a knife and not a rifle now.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190904/b93062e074892ee7431a71626d2953a8.jpg

It would be impossible to round up all the guns in the US and prevent more from being illegally made and imported.

Have we stopped illegal importation of heroine, fentinal or cocain? It's also stupid easy to make guns. You'd create an overnight black market of barns, trailers and storage units converted into gun shops.

[Corbic]

Only if their parents are fucking idiots.So can kids smoke weed if it's okay with their parents?

[midnight zenki]

That's a lie. Homicide rates remained flat. I kill you with a knife and not a rifle now.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190904/b93062e074892ee7431a71626d2953a8.jpg

It would be impossible to round up all the guns in the US and prevent more from being illegally made and imported.

Have we stopped illegal importation of heroine, fentinal or cocain? It's also stupid easy to make guns. You'd create an overnight black market of barns, trailers and storage units converted into gun shops.

Awesome attitude, do nothing its too hard... you sound pretty defeated, bow out now before we tax your brain any further. Black markets for guns already exist, how many knife attacks resulted in mass casualties?

[Corbic]

Awesome attitude, do nothing its too hard... you sound pretty defeated, bow out now before we tax your brain any further. Black markets for guns already exist, how many knife attacks resulted in mass casualties?Five Seconds on Google = lots.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190904/05ab4b2a133141e3ac9141cf5f1772ac.jpg

Also Diesel and Fertilizer work best.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190904/ad29b3eca74c33421d4015cd26d1f070.jpg


So you want to nix a constitutional right and threaten to plunge the country into a civil war over statistical outliers called "Mass Shootings". Great Idea.

More people are chocked to death then are killed by AR15s in the US each year. Sorry for the that doesn't sell ad revenue on CNN/MSBC.