i want this car really bad.

[MyFirst240SX]

http://dave_240sx.tripod.com/240sxdaperformance/id13.html
i want this car really bad.

[BadMoJo]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/notify.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':notify:'> &nbsp;WTF?! Where is that car, looks like its in the US. And how the fuck did he get it? and drive it on the streets?! Am I the only person who didnt know about that car? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'>

[MyFirst240SX]

I just found it when i was looking up prices on Turbo Kits. &nbsp;ran a 10? thats jsut F'n amazing! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

[White240sx]

Too bad it doesn't really exist.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (White240sx @ Mar. 08 2002,10:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Too bad it doesn't really exist.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
it probably exists... just not in the USA.....

[sspikey]

heard about some rumors about this car i dont think its real neither. and if it is hell no its not in north america.

[White240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Mar. 10 2002,8:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it probably exists... just not in the USA.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The actual car most likely exists in Japan, it's just that it doesn't have an RB26DETT swap.

[MyFirst240SX]

Well If i had all that done to my car i would have Dyno Slips. Good quality Pictures that have a angle that would show the I6 and the sivlia body. &nbsp;but thats just me. &nbsp;It Does exist, and ill have another one day Let me Dream

[wherezmytofu]

the first pictures where pretty god quality...wtf happened 2 the underhood pic <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'> .....what a rip off...that no way real

[William]

yeah, if you look the color of the ground in the picture of the engine bay is different than the color of the ground in the other pictures. &nbsp;That could just mean they took the pictures on a different day or in a different place, or it could mean they're lying their asses off. &nbsp;It is funny that they have no dyno sheet or timeslip when they clain 945rwhp and a 10.2 at 148. &nbsp;Personally, an S15 on slicks making 945rwhp should be in the 9's. &nbsp;I hope this guy isn't fake though, I sent him over $5,000 to build my 240sx.

[AceInHole]

i looked at that engine bay.... that's not an S-chassis. the front fenders of the S-chassis flare more... with a narrower hood to presearve the rounder bodylines. (something like that) anyways... want proof??

S15 engine bay:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~joc469/S15/Engine_Bay.jpg

The Fake engine bay:
http://dave_240sx.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/stevess15.4.jpg

Just look at the strut mounts and it's instantly recognizeably. &nbsp;That's shady crap if you ask me.

The odd thing #2 is that the article never mentions how he was able to bring it to the US.... and use it as a daily driver. &nbsp;It'd either be a military loophole (which it doesn't seem like... calling it business trips) or have it imported for business use, in which case the car will be crushed a year and a half ago... (you can import a car for 18 months for business use, then it must be shipped back or crushed. &nbsp;also... it's not cheap by any means to ship an entire car).

[William]

oh shit, they're not even close!! &nbsp;I really hope this guy doesn't rape me for everything I'm worth ($5,000)

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (William @ Mar. 08 2002,11:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">oh shit, they're not even close!! I really hope this guy doesn't rape me for everything I'm worth ($5,000)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the article doesn't seem business associated.... but I still would have never dealt with them (mostly since for swaps and imported stuff, srswap.com is pretty close to me) because of some past conversations/ arguments with them. Their VG30ET swap sounds fishy, along with their turbo "kits" (which are by no means complete)(and there have been disputes on turbo sizes and capabilities that they should be aware of but aren't).

ouch.... not to scare you more... but i'm pretty sure this is the same pic as from an ebay scam from a while ago:
http://dave_240sx.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sr20det1.jpg &nbsp; it's probably just coincidence or irony.... (the ebay scam was by a company called jdm-1.com or something.... &nbsp;there was a whole thing on the NICOs boards about it.)

[White240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (William @ Mar. 10 2002,9:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yeah, if you look the color of the ground in the picture of the engine bay is different than the color of the ground in the other pictures. That could just mean they took the pictures on a different day or in a different place, or it could mean they're lying their asses off.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Here’s the catcher, the underhood picture is of an R33.

I'm almost certain that the pictures of the actual car are in Japan. The unburied power and communication lines and the building architecture hint at a Japanese atmosphere.

[White240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Mar. 10 2002,9:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just look at the strut mounts and it's instantly recognizeably. That's shady crap if you ask me.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You beat me! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Isn't there a list of shady vendors and people around somewhere? I think it's about time to add another entry...

[William]

I chose them because they seemed honest (which I have no reason to believe they aren't). &nbsp;Also, hey have a better price for the sr swap than I've ever seen. &nbsp;$1900 for engine, $200 for shipping and insurance, and $855 labor. &nbsp;$2955 total. &nbsp;That kills SRSWAP's price. &nbsp;From what I've seen/heard so far, they're good guys with good prices. &nbsp;I have to defen their turbo kits. &nbsp;I think it's a great idea to give people what they need, and let them chose what they want.

[Grant]

strut towers are different, and further from the firewall. and MyFirst240SX, please dont use topic names like "penis envy" to attract attention, thanks.

[AceInHole]

<!--QuoteBegin--White240sx+Mar. 09 2002,12<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (White240sx @ Mar. 09 2002,12<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>6)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Mar. 10 2002,9:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just look at the strut mounts and it's instantly recognizeably. That's shady crap if you ask me.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You beat me! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Isn't there a list of shady vendors and people around somewhere? I think it's about time to add another entry...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the real stupid part is the guy posts here occasionally, and on NICOs pretty often.....

wanna see something fun?? (or funny)
nicos (http://www.nissaninfiniticlub.com/ubb/Forum18/HTML/000211.html)
people actually sticking up for DA performance... (including DA themselves of course)

there's more but it's too spread out... and the zilvia search function isn't working...

[White240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Mar. 10 2002,10:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">there's more but it's too spread out... and the zilvia search function isn't working...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I do recall some of the turbo conversation that went on here, that really isn’t a good way to represent the business...

I think this is one of the main problems with the "import scene". Too many poor, naive consumers, and too many vendors that try to prey on them. If people want to save money they should learn to do things themselves rather than take the path of least resistance.

[XylathaneGTR]

in one of my n00b posts...i was talking about a 10.2 second 910 rwhp Daily Driver s15 with rb26dett R34.
That's what i was talking about...
The guy shipped it with MotoRex i think...it IS in the US.
It runs 10.2 Seconds on Street Tires at about 145mph...its a freaking amazing car.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (XylathaneGTR @ Mar. 09 2002,12:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in one of my n00b posts...i was talking about a 10.2 second 910 rwhp Daily Driver s15 with rb26dett R34.
That's what i was talking about...
The guy shipped it with MotoRex i think...it IS in the US.
It runs 10.2 Seconds on Street Tires at about 145mph...its a freaking amazing car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I was pretty sure MotoRex wasn't even in the process of importing the S15... let alone actually doing it. If they had, don't you think we would have heard about it??? (MotoRex used to post occasionally on FA...)

Like I said... 2 ways to get a car imported onto US soil.... in the end... it usually ends up crushed.


Edit... and if the car is for real... why use the fake engine bay pic??

[Krunko]

Just because that is the picture of a skyline engine in a skyline, doesn't mean they were trying to pull anything shady. &nbsp;Maybe he didn't have a picture of his actual engine after the swap, so he just posted a picture of underneath the hood of a skyline since it would be the same engine.

[Zemus]

You would think if it hads 943HP it would run better than 10s, the HKS drag car does 7s with 1100HP, yet its unibody, but still it should atleast pull out 9s

[thewholefnshow]

I love how we all negate the existence of an s15 here... there are lots of people driving illegal cars, like the Evos that are on our roads and stuff like that... I'll admit, that engine bay is closer to an s2000 than an s15 cause of the shock towers... but still. I would rather be blissfully retarded and believe that exists then think it is impossible.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (thewholefnshow @ Mar. 09 2002,11:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I love how we all negate the existence of an s15 here... there are lots of people driving illegal cars, like the Evos that are on our roads and stuff like that... I'll admit, that engine bay is closer to an s2000 than an s15 cause of the shock towers... but still. I would rather be blissfully retarded and believe that exists then think it is impossible.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
lol.. i'd say an Evo is easier to pass off as a Mirage than an S15 is to pass off as a 240sx.... but i guess that's just my opinion.


Anyways... you'd figure that if they were going to do a writeup that has pics, they'd include an engine bay shot... of course... that SHOULD mean an engine bay shot of the RB in the S15... since that's most of the accomplishment right there (for an original install... by a company that's supposed to do installs themselves... wouldn't they want to show their work??). &nbsp;
Simply put though... I had doubts in the beginning... this is just the top of the cake.

[White240sx]

Yet more scandal uncovered!

http://drift.ath.cx/Carreview/SSRB26.html

http://drift.ath.cx/Carreview/
*note the caption in parenthesis under the "Super Silvia RB26" link, you will be pleasantly surprised.

Notice how the picture file names are different between the DriftCore site and DA Performances' site. The file name for the picture of the Skyline engine bay is "mvc-020s.jpg". I've concluded that this file name was assigned automatically by a digital camera, which makes the picture on the DriftCore site the original. DA performance renamed the pictures for "Steve" to try and seal their case a little better, which obviously failed.

So there you go, proven shadiness.

umm...i doubt motorex would ship that, because they are a 'reputable business'. i have great dislike for those scam artists, but you have to understand that theyve gone to great lengths to appear as legal as possible (although all they are doing is trying to create a monopoly) and a daily driver s15 is NOT a legal import.

as for DA performance, look at their main page, they dont even show cars that they have worked with. the three cars with silvia face were never touched by them. correct me if im wrong, but thats mark from SS old s13, dj elecktriq (cant remeber spelling) s13 IN JAPAN, and the third (sileighty) is one from socal that was recently for sale..he had a webpage add up but i lost it. and then there is one more sileighty near the bottom. that is benson's (sileighty mania) car. he is also a socal guy who i know didnt get his job done there. they never said they worked on those cars, but dont you think they would have pics of ones they DID work on?? and im certain that they did not obtain any authorization to use those pictures.

~mike~

[White240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Guest @ Mar. 11 2002,4:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">as for DA performance, look at their main page, they dont even show cars that they have worked with. and then there is one more sileighty near the bottom. that is benson's (sileighty mania) car. he is also a socal guy who i know didnt get his job done there.

and im certain that they did not obtain any authorization to use those pictures.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I bet Sileightymania would be interested to know that people are stealing his pictures. He very specifically requests on his site, and every one of his photos, not to steal them.

same can be said of mark. im gonna shoot both of them a message just to see if they know.

just now looking at the second set of links with bigger pictures from the other site, the second parking lot pic of the 'super silvia' seems to show right-hand drive on the accord in the background. okay ill stop now... =b

(disclaimer: I COULD BE WRONG, but thats what it looks like...)

[nismo270r]

If you look at the bottom drifting pics on the website:

http://drift.ath.cx/Carreview/SSRB26.html

You'll notice the car that's depicted drifting isn't even the same car as shown in the first picture. &nbsp;Look at the front bumper...the wing...the wheels...Yeah yeah...I know...he could have taken those shots before he put those things on...IMHO, it's a buncha BS. &nbsp;And the real kicker to show that that car is in Japan, not the US is the license plate. &nbsp;Look at the plate on the Accord or the S15 in the picture...if you pay close attention to the corners of the plate, you can tell it is a Japanese plate. &nbsp;US plates have more of a curve to them. &nbsp;Japanese plates are more rectangular. &nbsp;

Here is a real Japanese plate: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1081682161

Also, Japanese plates just a slight bit wider than US plates...

[AceInHole]

sheesh... you'd figure a business with an owner in the 240sx biz would know that we're all fanatical and that we'd find stuff like this.....

[The Punk Genius]

But in the first paragraph he states "....a Fresh brand new 1999 Silvia, The car made the passage from Japan, way of boat, then train then truck for a door stop delivery."

Incinuating the car is not in Japan. It may not be in North America....but I personally don't believe this car to be in Japan either.

[AceInHole]

it could be an australian 200sx <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (XylathaneGTR @ Mar. 09 2002,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in one of my n00b posts...i was talking about a 10.2 second 910 rwhp Daily Driver s15 with rb26dett R34.
That's what i was talking about...
The guy shipped it with MotoRex i think...it IS in the US.
It runs 10.2 Seconds on Street Tires at about 145mph...its a freaking amazing car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Come to think of it....I have seen a s15 with a RB26DETT, in person....at the Tokyo Auto Salon this January. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

Ok if IS is in the US why are all the cars in the back ground of the pics RHD? Why dose the background look like every Japanese suburb? I am calling BS.

Second 910 HP?! please. Not with out a 3.0 L stroker kit. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;Sounds like a BS number. Also notice he said nothing about who did the work. Right he did it in his garrage with a hoist and a few jack stands.

No Dyno sheet.
No info.
Sketchy pics. &nbsp;
+___
&nbsp;TOTAL BS

Not worth our time. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

[White240sx]

Sigh...Alright here's the deal:

DriftCore made a sample, or template if you will, article for their web page in which they took some random pictures of an S15 and a R33 engine bay and "made-up" a fantasy car. They clearly state this on their web page.

DA Performance ran across this page, copied and pasted the template article onto their page, renamed the pictures files, and then made it sound like they had prepared the car for a guy named Steve.

Also for the remaining skeptics, a very well respected member of the 240sx community contacted Motorex directly and asked if they had ever imported an S15; no dice.

[daperformance]

It really doesnt matter to us of what most of you think we have done or are doing. However, the posting of this article was on our old website. Again, it was a copy from an original article that we thought people who visit our site would like to see. We never once stated that we have had anything to do with this car. We often post articles from other places to let more people see what is out there and enjoy the articles as much us. We also have never said we have had anything to do with any picture on our old website. We do not make out a plan to mislead anyone, nor try to mislead anyone. &nbsp;Most people who visit that site on a regular basis know all of this and what we do. &nbsp;Also, there is no law anywhere that says you cant post a pic of something you like on any website you want. We never said we had done any of those front end conversions. However, we are able to and do. We are saving all of our pictures of swaps and conversions we have done to our new site. We do know some of the people whose cars we have posted on that old site fairly well. If they are offended at such manner of posting there pictures, we will gladly remove them. We dont appreciate the aqusations many of you have proposed against us and would appreciate if you ask us first of any questions you may have before assuming the wrong. This post was brought to our attention by several zilvia members who were offended at such statements that some of you have posted. If any of you have any questions concerning our business, what we do or how we do it, we would happily answer any questions you may have, so dont hesitate to ask. There is No scandal business going on here. We have several very satisfied customers and not one single unsatisfied customer. That should say more than enough.
Thanks,
David

[misnomer]

Amazing how the BS gets more attention than the important stuff. . . Oh well, now that Dave's posted, it's just going to continue. Somebody oughta lock this thread.

[AceInHole]

I'm not sure about the legality of it... there could be copyright infringements... but taking pictures from sites that blatantly say those pictures are private and should not be used outside of their own sites without consent and acknowledgement.... that just seems wrong to me. I know sileightymania doesn't appreciate it... i'm pretty sure markslidesquad doesn't either.

from sileightymania.com:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm getting bored of my website... Listen to your conscience... you really don't want to steal my pictures or my videos do you? Of course you don't... it's immoral. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>