Fuck the SCCA!!!

[Rennen]

http://www.scca.com/News/News.asp?Ref=178

:madfawk: :rant: :rant2:


I can't believe they listened to the lawyers and pulled the plug!


I know most of you really could care less, but this pisses me off to no end. It was just starting to take off and catch the eye of some european teams... the SCCA just doesn't make sense sometimes.

[Muzzy]

yea thas gay!! rally is an awesome racing style that i alwasy wanted to try..too bad...damn

[AKADriver]

Rally racers are actually cheering. The SCCA was running the sport of American rallying into the ground. Don't worry, people will still be rallying, just not under the SCCA banner, which could be a very good thing.

[kandyflip445]

Yeah it says that they're giving Rally America or something like that the rally deal. Might be better off. Just kinda sucks that they say that they dropped it because of "undue risk". WTF do you call ANY SPORT?

[nocomedown]

i'm not too surprised. i think it was last season that one of the Subaru cars had a wreck and both the driver and co-driver were killed.
hopefully rallying will pick up in america though, i think it is the most exciting motorsport out there

[Rennen]

Rally racers are actually cheering. The SCCA was running the sport of American rallying into the ground. Don't worry, people will still be rallying, just not under the SCCA banner, which could be a very good thing.

Around here SCCA is(or should I say was) the only way to get into rally. Unless another organization steps up and takes over SCCA's old rallies, I doubt there will be any rallying here for a long time. :wtc:

That doesn't scare me as much as the way the SCCA did it. They just cited that the insurance was risky and dropped it out of nowhere. The same could be said for roadracing... whats next? Also one of my friends brought up a good point: "right now I doubt anybody, and more sadly, anybody's insurance, will want to touch this if the "premier" amateur motorsports sanctioning body in the US won't do it."

i'm not too surprised. i think it was last season that one of the Subaru cars had a wreck and both the driver and co-driver were killed.
hopefully rallying will pick up in america though, i think it is the most exciting motorsport out there

While that crash was sad, I don't think it was the reason. There was at least one incident I heard of where a driver hit and injured a random motorist while driving between stages, I think that is where the big liability comes in.


There will still be rallying in the US no doubt, our last rallycross had 27 drivers and around 70 spectators in some tiny town in the middle of south central illinois. That is up from around 8 drivers and no spectators when I started. Its just sad to see the SCCA bail so quickly on something their organization was founded on(well roadrally anyway). Seems like they have ditched grassroots rally and taken up the drifting money machine. :-/

-Matt

[SilviaSativa]

Lil OT but you should watch Too Fast To Race.
This is the full story of the Group 'B' Supercars. In 1986 the door was slammed shut on the F1 cars of mountain and forest roads.

[holisticbeatz]

/Begin rant

Big effing deal.. I don't care. Let's focus less on rally and more on drifting.

Anyhow, that's my opinion. Whether you agree with me or not, that's your problem.

/End rant

[blu808]

oooops they did it again :duh:

Bastards

[Drunk Bastard]

scca is sooooo awesome

[Rennen]

/Begin rant

Big effing deal.. I don't care. Let's focus less on rally and more on drifting.

Anyhow, that's my opinion. Whether you agree with me or not, that's your problem.

/End rant

wow, thanks for your insightful input! This post has really improved the thread and definitely won't lead to any sort of flame war. Extremely educated and well thought out posts like these make Zilvia a much better place these days. Thanks!

-Czar Chasm

[nocomedown]

/Begin rant

Big effing deal.. I don't care. Let's focus less on rally and more on drifting.

Anyhow, that's my opinion. Whether you agree with me or not, that's your problem.

/End rant
cmon...exactly how many rally threads do you see on this site compared to drifting threads? if you knew anything about the sport, you'd realize that rally drivers use drifting as well...only they do it for a purpose

[Kreator]

Rally racers are actually cheering. The SCCA was running the sport of American rallying into the ground. Don't worry, people will still be rallying, just not under the SCCA banner, which could be a very good thing.

yeah i agree, from the posts on specialstage, most people are actually excited about SCCA dropping rallying and possibly passing it to rally america. Only thing that worries me now is that there will be new safety requirements and all hte cars will have to once again be updated... oh well

i'm pretty sure rallying won't be over. In the worst case, all these race teams got enough cash to think of something to solve the problem. It's not like every team will just write off a $60K car and $100K of tools and equipment.

[sciamop]

"If it can't kill you, it's not a real sport."

I wouldn't be angry with SCCA as much as I'd be angry at our (USA) litigation-happy society. The only people that have fucked up our country more than certain politicians are the perversely gluttonous trial lawyers.

I hope RA can figure out how to make it work...

Todd
90 Coupe
93 Coupe

[Var]

Indian reservations should be turned into rally courses

[Andrew Bohan]

so should glendale

[driftstyre]

SCCA was the only thing holding US rallying back in the stoneage. Their event organization is not even on par with the smallest regional championships in the UK. Someone will step up to the plate and take over.

[holisticbeatz]

wow, thanks for your insightful input! This post has really improved the thread and definitely won't lead to any sort of flame war. Extremely educated and well thought out posts like these make Zilvia a much better place these days. Thanks!

-Czar Chasm


You're very welcome! Thanks for the insightful thread and the wonderful title too!

[driftstyre]

Sweet!

Rally America to Accept Operation of ProRally and ClubRally Championships from SCCA


Minneapolis, MN - Rally America has agreed to begin managing the operation of the former SCCA ProRally and SCCA ClubRally championships in light of the recent business decision made by Sports Car Club of America to discontinue sanctioning of U.S. stage-based rally events beginning January 1, 2005.

"I know it was a difficult and controversial business decision SCCA was forced to make," Rally America President Doug Havir said. "They've been the guardians of rally here in the U.S. for a very long time and have advanced the sport to where it is today. Nobody would want to let go of a program they've spent so much time and effort fostering over the decades, but rally is only a small part of their entire portfolio and they had to make a tough decision taking into account the best interests of their entire membership."

"It's going to be a challenge to transition the rally program smoothly from the SCCA, but I am supremely confident that Rally America has the resources, including the help of many highly experienced people with a deep rooted passion for the sport, to make it happen. Not only will we have a full rally calendar in 2005, we will strive toward continuing the growth of the sport from the entry level up through the highest tiers of competition. We are all definitely looking forward the opportunity."

Rally America, a Minneapolis, Minnesota based corporation, has been providing rally related resources and services to the SCCA and ProRally organizers for the past two years. While no further details have yet been announced, it is expected that more information will be presented at the final round of the 2004 SCCA ProRally Championship Presented by Hot Wheels, the Lake Superior ProRally, October 22 in Houghton, Michigan.

http://www.rally-america.com

[DoriftoSlut]

I have a teacher who runs in (or ran in) SCCA ProRally. He hated it, and a bunch of non-factory backed drivers were going to leave the series due to how shitty the SCCA was being. Hopefully the new series will be beter, and WRC should TOTALLY come to the US but i don't think the lawers would like it. Oh well, there is always Rallye de Mexico!

[syco3d]

Holy shit that does suck. I work @ copymax in Topeka and we produce all the Stage notes for the SCCA ProRally (ie. book the navigator holds) ...crap load of buisness just went down the drain. http://www.zilvia.net/f/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=574969#

[Sirikool]

Yeah it says that they're giving Rally America or something like that the rally deal. Might be better off. Just kinda sucks that they say that they dropped it because of "undue risk". WTF do you call ANY SPORT?
:werd:
with you on that one.

[GrimDrifter]

i dont see why this is a problem for the typical 240 owner, b/c our cars werent made for that. unless you own 5 subarus and you just cruise 240 forums for the hell of it.. but maybe it would be cool to watch but i dont live near any of those events

[nocomedown]

i dont see why this is a problem for the typical 240 owner, b/c our cars werent made for that. unless you own 5 subarus and you just cruise 240 forums for the hell of it.. but maybe it would be cool to watch but i dont live near any of those events
because some people are interested in many types of motorsports. i dunno about you, but my 240 was made to earn Nissan a profit...not so a bunch of people could slide around in them 10 years later.

btw, this isn't a problem for the typical 240 owner because the typical 240 owner drives the car because it's economical and doesn't give a shit about any kind of racing or motorsport.

[Rennen]

i dont see why this is a problem for the typical 240 owner, b/c our cars werent made for that. unless you own 5 subarus and you just cruise 240 forums for the hell of it.. but maybe it would be cool to watch but i dont live near any of those events

I am not the typical 240 owner, and I am concerned. Because:

#1) I love rally and the SCCA sanctioned the 100 Acre Wood SCCA Club Rally Championship in Salem, MO, which is the only rally remotely close to me and my friends who also like to rally and spectate.

#2) I regularly compete in SCCA's rallycross program, which is now hanging out there on the fringe of the SCCA, and will probably be the next cut.

#3) I am(or rather was) a member of the SCCA, and was given no warning of, or say in cutting one of my interests.


I regret making this thread as a knee jerk reaction to this fateful event, and I cringe everytime I see "Fuck the SCCA" come up to the top of the motorsports section. Once I cooled off a bit, I realized as others have mentioned that rally in the US is much better off without being the bastard child of the SCCA. Although, I am still less than pleased because of the 3 previously mentioned points. When I get around to it(It's silly season now), I will renew my SCCA membership and continue to autocross and rallycross.

If you don't care about rally, then please, just let this thread die. Thanks,

-Matt