Lowest s14 sidemount seat rail? / Did Nagisa change their design?

[LockOn!]

I attempted to fit my drivers seat today in my s14 using the Nagisa "Super Low" Rail from Enjuku.

I have used this rail in two previous s13s so I was confident it would work. However, once I got the seat in, surprise, its higher then stock at the lowest setting.

I don't understand how this could be seeing as it should have been the exact same rail I've had in previous S-chassis (all S's share the same seat rails). But then I took a closer look.

If you look towards the front of the rails, you'll notice that the sliders basically sit flush with the floor-pan brace that runs from the door area to the transmission tunnel, as low as possible.

BUT, in the rear is this massive gap. About two fingers over the exhaust hump towards the inside, and an ENTIRE FISTS worth of gap towards the outside.

Did Nagisa change their design at some point? In my other cars I could get the bucket low enough that it would hit the floor and keep me from sliding them forward.

Additionally, the part number Enjuku as well as many other shops have is
- XNSR011L

But these brackets have a part number that I can not find reference to anywhere online
- ZN101L

Does anyone know what is going on here, or can anyone check their Nagisa brackets in s14 for part number / rear bracket gap?

Here's some images.

http://i.imgur.com/Yc3S94ml.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/H4kqSJ2l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BfpM2eal.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DnoUILnl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/teJWOCRl.jpg

[LockOn!]

I also found this image of a Bride FG rail on Zilvia in an s13. You can see how much more of a rear lean these have.

They measure about 7 or 8cm to the back of the slider.

On my Nagisa's, I have about 11cm to the slider.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/blowass/car%20stuff/2005_0624_184022.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/blowass/car%20stuff/2005_0624_184627.jpg

[Rustys14]

I installed a NAMS rail on my friends car (s13) last month and noticed the same thing. Its not quite that bad but not nearly as low as I thought it would be. He's not super tall so he didn't mind though. I believe he purchased his from enjuku as well.

Also the quality seems to have gone down a bit from what I remembered from my old setup. He got a Circuit Sports passenger rail and not only does it slide smoother then the NAMS, it also locks much more solid. Makes me wonder if they moved production from Japan to somewhere with less QC.

[Standard]

I'd say call enjuku and ask why you got a different part number than listed and explain the situation and your previous rails.

Can you mount the rear floor brackets on top of the rail? Looks like if you could it would be a little lower, not sure if it would be a good idea/possible, but even then it wouldn't be as low as expected. Curious to see what you find out, good luck

[LockOn!]

I installed a NAMS rail on my friends car (s13) last month and noticed the same thing. Its not quite that bad but not nearly as low as I thought it would be. He's not super tall so he didn't mind though. I believe he purchased his from enjuku as well.

Interesting.... I'm just over 5'10 and these rails make a helmet unwearable on the lowest setting. My s14 does have a sunroof, but so did my last s13 coupe and I fit in that thing with room to spare.

I'd say call enjuku and ask why you got a different part number than listed and explain the situation and your previous rails.

Can you mount the rear floor brackets on top of the rail? Looks like if you could it would be a little lower, not sure if it would be a good idea/possible, but even then it wouldn't be as low as expected. Curious to see what you find out, good luck

I will definitely be giving them a call. I've had good luck with them for years but the return policy on their site is pretty much "All sales final LOL" so we'll see.

No, you cannot flip the mounts, they are welded to the slider, all one piece. If I end up stuck with these I might just chop an inch off of both rear mounting points and have them re-welded.

[e1_griego]

I've never fit in s14 + sunroof with a helmet, even with custom rails on the floor. I'm 6'2" though.

I'm sure those are sitting you up more than they should (clearly from the measurements).

[jookybanana]

i got some nagisa dual locking rails for my s13 and was dissapointed that my fg rails sits lower than the nagisa's, maybe they did change their design? cause i remember reading about how low their position was

[LockOn!]

cause i remember reading about how low their position was

I used to sing praise for NAMs rails. Now... not so much.

If anyone who has a NAMs in an s14 that sits low can take some measurements to the back of the rail, and potentially find the part number... That would be SUPER helpful.

[TheRealSy90]

The Dual Locking NAMS/Nagisa rail is NOT the lower rail of the two. It's the single lock rail that is the lower rail. I can touch the bottom rear of my bucket to the floor of the car with my nagisa rail in my s13, Corbeau FX1 seat. I could lower the seat even more if I chopped the bottom mounting bumps off the bottom of it.


Look for a single lock Nagisa rail and try again.
The single lock rail should have 4x individual angle brackets that mount the seat to the rail, two per side. And four studs on each rail, two per seat bracket. I mount my front brackets at the lowest point, and I flipped the rear brackets so that the seat holes are underneath the rail. Super low.

[LockOn!]

^^^^^

There must have been a change in design then. I DO have the single locking model, if you look at my pics the adjustment arm is only on the door side rail.

Mine did however come with 2x brackets, one long one for each side. I can't recall if my previous NAMS single lockers had 2x or 4x brackets though.

Would you mind checking for a part number on yours?

Enjuku and just about everyone else onlines images show the 4x bracket model that your referencing too. But of course the image "may not be representative of product".

About to take my lunch in a bit and call, will provide updates.

[NiSilS14]

I have a nagisa auto single rail, mine came with the 1 piece bracket (1 per side). Bought mine probably a year or two ago. I'm just 5'9" but i find my bride FG rail to position the seat better.

[supersayianjim]

I attempted to fit my drivers seat today in my s14 using the Nagisa "Super Low" Rail from Enjuku.

I have used this rail in two previous s13s so I was confident it would work. However, once I got the seat in, surprise, its higher then stock at the lowest setting.

I don't understand how this could be seeing as it should have been the exact same rail I've had in previous S-chassis (all S's share the same seat rails). But then I took a closer look.

If you look towards the front of the rails, you'll notice that the sliders basically sit flush with the floor-pan brace that runs from the door area to the transmission tunnel, as low as possible.

BUT, in the rear is this massive gap. About two fingers over the exhaust hump towards the inside, and an ENTIRE FISTS worth of gap towards the outside.

Did Nagisa change their design at some point? In my other cars I could get the bucket low enough that it would hit the floor and keep me from sliding them forward.

Additionally, the part number Enjuku as well as many other shops have is
- XNSR011L

But these brackets have a part number that I can no reference to anywhere online
- ZN101L

Does anyone know what is going on here, or can anyone check their Nagisa brackets in s14 for part number / rear bracket gap?

Here's some images.

http://i.imgur.com/Yc3S94ml.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/H4kqSJ2l.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BfpM2eal.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DnoUILnl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/teJWOCRl.jpg



that is a sexy fist, just saying...

[LockOn!]

that is a sexy fist, just saying...

For a nominal fee I will have a rubber casting made of it down to the elbow and ship it to you direct. :boink:


On a serious note though. Just got off the phone with Enjuku, the guy I spoke with uses the same rails and was like "wtf". Hes going to check out this thread, and some other images I've provided, and either correct my order, or get in touch with their Nagisa rep and see what the heck is happening.

The most confusing part about all of this is that the part number is different, but it is still labeled "Super Low Rail".

At this point I'm convinced Nagisa must have changed the design and not notified their distributors. Or that distro did not notify sellers. At any rate, hoping Enjuku comes through with a solution.

[FaLKoN240]

That's really shitty. That looks almost worse than the Buddy Club design.

[Suicunes]

I'm 6'2" and fit in my s14 with no sunroof with a Vios 3 and FG rails. I'll stand by the FG rails being the lowest on the market for sure. Rear of my seat rides on the carpet, front is on the lowest setting too, sits me at the perfect angle. Just enough lean to be comfy, but still have good foot and hand position.

[TheRealSy90]

Yeah this new design is definitely not Super Low. I'll stand by the old 4x bracket style being the lowest lol. If I remember i'll try and get a part number off of mine, I got it used so I'm not sure how old it really is.

[FaLKoN240]

Bride FG is the lowest

[tacotacotaco]

Are you guys using the Nagisa Dual lock rails?

I have installed a good amount of seats in the 240s using either bridge fg or nagisa. The nagisa in the s13 has gotten the seats the lowest. Also depending on what seat you are using.

Sabelt gt140 i know for sure fit up a Large in a 240sx using the nagisa rails.

[LockOn!]

^^^

Nope, this thread is focused on the single lock design.

[ZenkiKid]

My buddy club seat rails are the same way. Even at the lowest setting its higher than stock. Kinda feels like sitting in a high chair. hah.

[LockOn!]

I got a call back from Enjuku, apparently Nagisa is saying that they haven't changed the design since 2011.

Interestingly enough, I bought my last set from them I believe in spring of 2012 so its entirely possible I had one of the last old models, and that the new design is fucked.

They requested I put it back in and take measurements this weekend which I will be doing. I still don't think they are going to help at all since I've already opened and installed the rail.

But, barring I discover that I am completely inept at installing seats, it can be concluded that:

NAGISA IS NO LONGER A VIABLE LOW MOUNT BRACKET

Just buy Bride FG, Planted solid mounts, or build your own. Buddy club is shit and I'm fairly certain Circuit Sports are too given all the double locking designs sit high.

[rbs14kouki]

i would give the *streetfaction* a try ... there floor bracket and side mounts looks realy good and from pictures its sits super low

[Matej]

Maybe the old design was not safe.

[TheRealSy90]

Here's my Nagisa single lock, so you can see what I mean about mounting the rear brackets under the rail. I could lower it even more if I removed the bottom mount humps from the bottom of the seat as they stick down 2 or 3 inches from the seat bottom.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161203/c4047c6be016cdc645eb2bd6fa14d69a.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161203/33f943599c42b32a04efb56be545b42e.jpg


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[derass]

Do the Single Lock rails literally lock only on one side? Or is there a cable/mechanism that passes under the seat to the opposite side like the Buddy Club rails?

[TheRealSy90]

Do the Single Lock rails literally lock only on one side? Or is there a cable/mechanism that passes under the seat to the opposite side like the Buddy Club rails?



There's a cable that opens/closes the latch on the other side. It means theres a single handle on one side. Dual locks have either a handle on both sides, or one in the front of the seat connected to both rails.


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[LockOn!]

Maybe the old design was not safe.

I mean, maybe? I cant see how having 1" less material on the rears of both brackets would change anything. If anything you'd think they would be stronger and more resistant to bending with a shorter radius.


Here's my Nagisa single lock, so you can see what I mean about mounting the rear brackets under the rail. I could lower it even more if I removed the bottom mount humps from the bottom of the seat as they stick down 2 or 3 inches from the seat bottom.


Nice, I got what you are saying but I'll need to chop my brackets as they are 2x long pieces instead of the 4x little ones you have.

Can you please measure from the floor to the top of the rail at the rear of your sliders? Like the pics of the Bride earlier in the thread?

Its pretty easy to tell from these pics that yours is in fact lower just from the picture, the rear rake is much more pronounced. Mine is like.... totally flat.

But still, I'd like some images to prove it.

Thanks.





For now I've just bolted the seat in at the lowest positions front and back, running no seat cushion lol.

[TheRealSy90]

I could take the seat out and take some pics cause I think I'm gonna chop those bottom humps off it and make it even lower lol.


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[LockOn!]

I could take the seat out and take some pics cause I think I'm gonna chop those bottom humps off it and make it even lower lol.




No need to take it out, just an image like this would be great:

(This is Bride FG)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/blowass/car%20stuff/2005_0624_184627.jpg


It would let me know how much I need to chop mine. Thanks.

[Yuri]

If you can find an old school JDM Wisteria rail, they'll put the bucket down so low on the lowest setting that you actually have to remove the carpet if you want to be able to slide the seat.

[yomisiu]

streetfaction super low rail was lowlow

[greddy2die]

streetfaction super low rail was lowlow

Those are the one's I'd get if I was getting buckets.

[HGs14]

My s14 is a sunroof model as well, im 6'0 & I've been running this Bride LF (If im not mistaken) for a couple years and it sits super low! I have no issues with hitting the roof while wearing a helmet.



http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt6/Hectorg08/April%20S14/D05EBBCD-E12B-49DD-BB50-27D22A7816A2_zpsdoaka8nk.jpg
http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt6/Hectorg08/April%20S14/81DADFD3-5242-4B65-8BBE-60FEDCC898CE_zpsk0jhqvmx.jpg

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt6/Hectorg08/Parts%20for%20sale/1A34754A-E802-43FC-A367-844E4918CDCE_zpswgj2gakt.jpg


http://www.frsport.com/Type-LF--Low-Max--Seat-Rail-S13-S14-S15-Passenger-Side_p_12748.html?gclid=CjwKEAiAg5_CBRDo4o6e4o3NtG 0SJAB-IatYIaemAGYY3euj5c921byMoiZK70KgU_uXx06vG3c-xxoC2-Lw_wcB (http://www.frsport.com/Type-LF--Low-Max--Seat-Rail-S13-S14-S15-Passenger-Side_p_12748.html?gclid=CjwKEAiAg5_CBRDo4o6e4o3NtG 0SJAB-IatYIaemAGYY3euj5c921byMoiZK70KgU_uXx06vG3c-xxoC2-Lw_wcB)

[LockOn!]

^ WHOA.

Now that's a low ass rail. Integrated sliders too damn. I've never heard of it before either, odd.

It looks a full 4 or 5 inches lower then your passenger seat lol, shoulders completely below the door. I likey.

Did you need to bash your cat - hump down? I'm assuming yes?

Thanks for chiming in.

[HGs14]

^ WHOA.

Now that's a low ass rail. Integrated sliders too damn. I've never heard of it before either, odd.

It looks a full 4 or 5 inches lower then your passenger seat lol, shoulders completely below the door. I likey.

Did you need to bash your cat - hump down? I'm assuming yes?

Thanks for chiming in.

yeah sliders work amazing for how low this thing is and I actually didn't have to bash in anything, direct install after removing the old shitty no name driver side rail I was running for a while. This rail is seriously one of the best things Ive ever bought for this car.

[TheRealSy90]

Pretty low if you can't get the 4x bracket Nagisa lol.


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[crzsteveo]

Little off topic, but just installed bride fg rails with my pbm buckets seat.... Holy lee fuck... I dropped about 3-4 inches down from a corbeau mount... Had to adjust mirrors insanely and driving view is very odd now... Kind of have to sit up to look over my dmax hood

[Kalem_s13]

Street Fraction FTW!! The bottom of my seat is literally sitting on the floor. Unless your willing to make custom rails you cannot get any lower

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161222/f44bebfce0a4182f68fcfab6fffb1e34.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161222/279848100af8ecee8e2d33f123dcc443.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161222/4e4b42c97501d2d597658f8bd14e1bf1.jpg

[LockOn!]

So I ended up picking up a cheap FG rail, damaged packaging, score.

It's visibly lower then the Nagisa in my car currently.

I'll be installing with measurements to verify just how much this Saturday, but I can now with confirm Nagisa rails no longer mirror FGs as people used to report.

I've purchased the Nagisa system in 2009, another in 2011, and finally this one in 2016. The design definitely changed in late 2011. The profile is parallel to the ground instead of leaned back like the Bride FG and Street Faction rails.


Street faction was a close second, but I wanted to retain sliders.

[RB25GUY]

Street Fraction FTW!! The bottom of my seat is literally sitting on the floor. Unless your willing to make custom rails you cannot get any lower


http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161222/279848100af8ecee8e2d33f123dcc443.jpg



fun fact that zeta/neos you have is no 10 made of the new design super cool!!!

[racepar1]

I'm amused that this is surprising to anyone. The nagisa rails were never actually low to the best of my knowledge. The lowest rails with sliders have ALWAYS been the Bride ones. The only problem is they put the seat at a crazy angle.
I use slightly modified planted seat brackets with no sliders on my bucket and managed to sit it basically on the floor, lowest seat I've ever sat in. In my experience the ONLY way to get the seat actually low without the wacky bride angle is to modify some brackets to suit your particular needs and run without sliders.

[LockOn!]

The nagisa rails were never actually low to the best of my knowledge.

They most definitely were low at one point. Both the rails I've purchased pre revision were able to put my seat so low that I couldn't slide it back and fourth because it was jammed into the carpet.

The lowest rails with sliders have ALWAYS been the Bride ones. The only problem is they put the seat at a crazy angle.


You are right about the gangster lean angle on the bracket being the way they actually achieve the lowness though. For me its great because I prefer a fairly reclined position anyway. Looks like Street Faction solid mounts have the lean going on too.

Nagisa old versions sat like

/***---..._ (rear)

and the new ones are like

/******|_

[joshg51]

I have the Bride FG in my S13 with sunroof and my helmet doesnt touch the top and I'm about 5'11". The only thing is they wont take a fat boy seat like a Sparco XL. for something like that run a planted super low bracket. Fits wide seats but i dunno if it can take sliders.

[racepar1]

They most definitely were low at one point. Both the rails I've purchased pre revision were able to put my seat so low that I couldn't slide it back and fourth because it was jammed into the carpet.



You are right about the gangster lean angle on the bracket being the way they actually achieve the lowness though. For me its great because I prefer a fairly reclined position anyway. Looks like Street Faction solid mounts have the lean going on too.

Nagisa old versions sat like

/***---..._ (rear)

and the new ones are like

/******|_

I just seem to remember hearing this complaint about the nagisa rails for years now, maybe it was after 2011 though. I also like my seat leaned back, but the bride's are just too much for my taste. I seriously don't understand why so many companies make their rails so high. It's not that hard to measure some shit and get it right.

[LockOn!]

It's not that hard to measure some shit and get it right.

I bet its from customer complaints because the seat jams up if you don't bash the trans tunnel. I can see how FGs would a make a seat drag at the lowest setting, but with the higher rear mounting points, they trade the complaints of "My seat doesn't fit at all" to, "My seat fits but sits too high".


Okay, now I have images to back up my assumptions.

Bride FG Rails first

http://i.imgur.com/lAYKHXI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sQx0niJ.jpg



And now NAMs. Significantly higher at the rearward mounting points.

http://i.imgur.com/VOCkQXX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RrnUqd6.jpg


and a quick side by side

http://i.imgur.com/6Shf0usl.jpg




Interestingly enough, the Bride FGs with the rake only end up sitting about a half inch to an inch lower then the NAMs when installed. The sliders on the Brides are significantly higher quality (and has double locks), but does position the seat closer to the door, which is a little irritating.

Now you know. At my height (5'10") its pretty much break even, I'd just go with the Brides if you prefer the gangster lean. Any taller and you will probably need the Brides. If you are shorter then or right at 5'10" and prefer a more "proper" seating position the NAMs are fine.

For reference I am in an s14 with sunroof.

[TheRealSy90]

I guess I should go measure my "old style" NAMS rail.


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[Speed Junkie]

Has anyone tried the Recaro seat rails? The part number is LH - 2081.088.1 and they're only sold in the Japan market. You can get them through Nengun (or importers):

https://image.nengun.com/catalogue/1024x768/nengun-3718-05-recaro-base_frame_seat_rails-6ffc470c.jpg

It looks like these are the " /******|_ " type rails so probably not as low as the Bride FG type that have that gangster lean which I don't want. Not to mention you can always get L brackets that you can flip.

Anyways, I bring up the Recaros because they probably have the smoothest oem-quality sliders of all of the options. And a big sell for me is having the lock lever that goes across instead of the floppy levers on the side like the Bride FG. I'm only 5' 6" but I still want to be lower than stock.

So anyone?

[bataangpinoy]

we end up having to make custom ones for the taller drivers that bring us cars for cages cage.

[FaLKoN240]

Has anyone tried the Recaro seat rails? The part number is LH - 2081.088.1 and they're only sold in the Japan market. You can get them through Nengun (or importers):

https://image.nengun.com/catalogue/1024x768/nengun-3718-05-recaro-base_frame_seat_rails-6ffc470c.jpg

It looks like these are the " /******|_ " type rails so probably not as low as the Bride FG type that have that gangster lean which I don't want. Not to mention you can always get L brackets that you can flip.

Anyways, I bring up the Recaros because they probably have the smoothest oem-quality sliders of all of the options. And a big sell for me is having the lock lever that goes across instead of the floppy levers on the side like the Bride FG. I'm only 5' 6" but I still want to be lower than stock.

So anyone?

Dual locking design too.

[TheRealSy90]

Hmm not seeing how the seat bolts to the rail which is an important factor.


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[Speed Junkie]

Dual locking design too.

Of course.


Hmm not seeing how the seat bolts to the rail which is an important factor.

The seat doesn't bolt to the rail, the L brackets do. And they bolt on the same way any other L bracket bolts on to rails.

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv320/chrislikes123/VAC3.jpg


Btw these are the side mounts (L brackets) for the wider pole position. If i were to use a recaro mount I would use the one for the SPG which is what I have.

[derass]

Those look ok, but they're similar to Buddy Club in the sense that you can't flip the brackets and go really low because of the slider handle.

[Speed Junkie]

I'm 5' 6" and flipping the brackets would put me way too low. I've sat in my friends S14 with FGs and Bride seat. The brackets are not flipped and it's about as low as I would sit while still being able to look over the dash. The lean angle is just too gangster for me though.

Here is what I think the situation is:

1: The height on the front of the rail is limited by the exhaust hump on the floor. I think pretty much all rails are as low as possible here.

2: the rear height of the rails has more freedom in how low it can go because it doesn't have anything in the way. And there seems to be two typical designs

2a: There is the lower design like the Bride FG which allows you to mount the REAR of the seat lower. The issue with this is that this sets the seat angle well past ideal. Even when you mount the rear on the top slots of the bracket and the front on the low slots on the bracket. This might be different if you flip the front/rear brackets but then if you do you would have to be pretty tall to see over the dash. Taller than what is ideal for typical Bride seats anyways. This rail angle also makes it so that the height of the seat changes based on where the rail is slid (forward is higher than rear) which is dumb.

2b: The other style is the " /******|_ " like the Recaro where the front is as slow as the Bride FG but the rear is higher. one could still mount typical buckets between the rails with different mounts but it simply wont mount the seat as low as the FG. Especially because you can't flip the front brackets. You can flip the rears but im not sure how low you could make that before going full gangster lean. Another advantage is that the seat height wont change when you slide back and forth. For someone who's Japanese height like me, the extra height is perfectly fine. Especially if they use a smaller seat with a lower position like the TS-G (which I want to get) or any of the Low Max-type Brides.

I probably will end up getting the Recaro rails. Another friend of mine had some old ones on his FC and they slid and locked just like OEM. Felt good. And I really like the lock lever that goes across.

[TheRealSy90]

I'm 5'8" and want my seat as low as possible lol.


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[Speed Junkie]

I ended up finding some decent photos. This ones a Recaro Pro Racer on Bride FG rails. Btw the Pro Racer has the same shell dimensions as the SPG. The front bolt is already on the lowest slot so if you raised the rear to fix the rear the seat would be just as high as on the higher rails.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/orangec714/recaroSPG3.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/porkybmx/recaroSPG1.jpg


Then there's this guy. It's from a FS thread here where he was selling the seats (SPG) but he didn't say anything about the rail. I PMed him but he hasn't replied. It looks like a Recaro-type rail.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/lowsplit/IMG_2420.jpg


And then finally this one. Different forum but again using Recaro SPG side mounts on some kind of Recaro-type rail with the locking lever that goes across. They really don't look bad in terms of height if they are in fact Recaro rails.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3906/15038837280_5f9655b0f0_b.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3842/15038742399_f139a9affc_b.jpg

[t3chnique]

This is the best seat thread on the forum. Just ordered the 4x slotted L brackets to replace single my 2x large brackets for lower driving position. Will update after installing

[Speed Junkie]

Yeah I ended up ordering LH-2081.088.1. It's shipping out today so hopefully it will be here in a week. Also ordered the Recaro SPG FIA side mounts (just like the ones above) but I also ordered the Japan only "offset mounts" that I apparently might need in order for the seat to be truly centered on the wheel. You can find these in the Recaro Japan website and reading through the application description. I will keep which ever one works best and sell the other set. I will also post some photos once I get everything installed.

[t3chnique]

So i wasn't able to get the seat any lower even after getting the individual 4x L brackets and I realize it's because of my seat design. I have a Recaro SPG which has the rear mounting hole higher than the front one. So when I tired flipping the brackets under the rail, it put the seat at an insane gangster lean angle and I couldn't bolt the fronts down lol.

Pic for reference:
http://www.autobahnpower.com/Profistnddim.jpg

So I picked up an Planted bracket like the one below, which ditches the sliders and now my seat is about .75" lower than before. I'm happy with it for now..

http://www.425motorsports.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/l/planted_seat_bracket_-_nissan_240sx_1989-1998_low_-_passenger_part_sb050lowpa_.jpg

If you want low low with sliders, Bride Type LF and LR appear to be the lowest. Or those Wisteria ones from Japan which require you to remove the carpet lol. Bride FGs are about the same as the Circuit Sport ones.

If you want low low no sliders, get Street Faction or custom. /thread

[Speed Junkie]

Could you maybe have flipped the front L brackets as well? Or did the design of the rail not allow that?

[RB25GUY]

Bride FX rails dont have silders( i sit all the way back anyways) and looks to be super super low and fia approved.. im gonna try these out!

http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/dr000/auc0302/users/4/8/9/3/fujitalook315-img450x600-1485947852hyqbjf9632.jpg

[Speed Junkie]

Yeah those look great if you're ok with not having sliders. They appear to not have the horrible super lean. Post pics when you mount them! Also I got my Recaro rails but I don't want to install the seat until I finish all the details with my SR swap and can avoid getting in it without smelling like oil and gas.

I will also post pics of it with the offset side mounts to see which one works best.

[rebornS14]

i just picked up evs rails for my sparco evo seat. they are supposed to seat pretty low. haven't install them yet but i'll post some pics when i do.

http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=EM&Product_Code=EVS-ZN101W&Category_Code=EVS-SEAT

EVS is Evasive Motorsports own line of products. pretty legit stuff.

looking at the rail mounts, looks like it'll be in a good low position which i'll need. im 6' tall.
http://www.therealkennylee.com/rebornS14/EVS%20SXX%20rails/20170725_173348_resized.jpg
http://www.therealkennylee.com/rebornS14/EVS%20SXX%20rails/20170725_173403_resized.jpg
http://www.therealkennylee.com/rebornS14/EVS%20SXX%20rails/20170725_173638_resized.jpg
http://www.therealkennylee.com/rebornS14/EVS%20SXX%20rails/20170725_173657_resized.jpg

[TheRealSy90]

Looks like a bottom mount rail. Any bottom mount is not going to have the "lowness" of side mount rails.