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dizzariot
08-03-2016, 10:55 AM
http://lrnc.cc/_ct/16983307
DATSMO Facebook page posted this.
I'll leave you with the same comment I left them:
In the words of Fox Mulder: "I want to believe."
Translated into English:
Every time Tsu, is Glico. A little surprised today! Let me introduce the information. Nissan is the development of a new coupe of Sylvia size, it seems to have finally resumed.
Do you remember that in 2013 of Tokyo has been exhibited in the motor show called "iDx" coupe concept car? At the time, I was moving towards the commercial, development is that there is a low priority for commercialization in 2014 is frozen, the project team was virtually disbanded state. It is, along with the development resumption of the new Fairlady Z, which was announced the other day, it seems here also became a development resume in the new members. Moreover, Toka in Tokyo Motor Show of 2017 has been determined to be exhibited concept car close to the commercial as possible. Because the information from a reliable source, the possibility is probably pretty high.
But it does not seem to be a crunchy sports coupe, to become the de facto, brother car the next Fairlady Z, the potential is quite high likely. By the way, it is called 2ℓ straight 4 turbo engine which employs the world's first technology that variable compression ratio is mounted on the highest grade.
Such as the exterior design at the present stage is unknown, but will no doubt be a relatively compact body. Really, to come out in next year's Tokyo Motor Show will What kind of car, I will exciting from now!
2 + 2 to be a sporty coupe is a mistake that seems.
driftsucky
08-03-2016, 12:00 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/F8bo1LU5U5ApG/giphy.gif
brndck
08-03-2016, 12:03 PM
would be neat.
not holding my breath.
if they can't get it together to produce an iDx, I can't see how they could manage a rwd sports coupe. Instead we'll probably get a convertible juke, and another Altima coupe.
*daydreaming* would be rad if they used their newly acquired stake in Mitsubishi to utilize a 4b11 in rwd config, in a 2dr rwd sport coupe
bataangpinoy
08-03-2016, 12:11 PM
would be neat.
not holding my breath.
if they can't get it together to produce an iDx, I can't see how they could manage a rwd sports coupe. Instead we'll probably get a convertible juke, and another Altima coupe.
*daydreaming* would be rad if they used their newly acquired stake in Mitsubishi to utilize a 4b11 in rwd config, in a 2dr rwd sport coupe
so you want a hyundai genesis
simmode1
08-03-2016, 12:17 PM
so you want a hyundai genesis
http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2015/04/19/635650505846274599471582387_11095590_7447789356205 82_777748159_n.jpg
Reposted this in the Future RWD 240sx/coupe thread to increase attention.
brndck
08-03-2016, 12:25 PM
lol, RIP genesis.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/08/hyundai-discontinues-genesis-coupe-replacement-not-imminent/
I would like a Nissan genesis, but about 800lb lighter.
theres a dude here in socal with an s13 coupe, mild tuned 4g63 in it, and its a beast of a car. why Nissan can't/won't engineer something comparable to the proven 4g63 (which is decades old) is beyond me.
dizzariot
08-03-2016, 12:29 PM
Updated with the translated article. There's a little bit of iDX name-dropping.
BoostyMcZface
08-03-2016, 12:31 PM
oooo 4g63 s chassis sounds FUN.
LOL @ genesis.
I just hope they keep something RWD and not lame. they'd seriously do WORK if they make a new S16, rwd single turbo. deeeestroy the FT86.
I'm still also worried about the next gen Z chassis too. :/
simmode1
08-03-2016, 12:33 PM
^^^The 86 is already destroyed/dead pretty much. Look at it's sales... lol... Couldn't save Scion from the chopping block.
lol, RIP genesis.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/08/hyundai-discontinues-genesis-coupe-replacement-not-imminent/
Yaasss... pave the way for the GT4 Stinger.
http://media2.giphy.com/media/S3Ot3hZ5bcy8o/giphy.gif
dizzariot
08-03-2016, 12:50 PM
I think the FRS just gotta an accelerated version of the same AIDS the 240SX had. I owned an FRS and they're awesome little cars. Hard to justify the 'new' price but scooping a low-mileage used one would be the next best thing if you're 'done' with the s-chassis.
d9m13n
08-03-2016, 01:01 PM
If this was built and made it to market as an 86/brz competitor, and it utilized a 4cyl turbo engine as the report seems to state combined with a decent chassis and rwd, what I would be most excited to see is it force Toyota's hand in making the 86 competitive with the (s16?) and reviving the cheap sports coupe market.
I do admit this is a complete longshot.
Speculation is fun :wiggle:
dorkidori_s13
08-03-2016, 01:20 PM
its click bait... this project is dead. if it were happening, i wouldve known by now via my source at Nissan.
dizzariot
08-03-2016, 01:23 PM
If this was built and made it to market as an 86/brz competitor, and it utilized a 4cyl turbo engine as the report seems to state combined with a decent chassis and rwd, what I would be most excited to see is it force Toyota's hand in making the 86 competitive with the (s16?) and reviving the cheap sports coupe market.
I do admit this is a complete longshot.
Speculation is fun :wiggle:
Here's a totally out-of-my-ass statement with no facts behind it. Par for the course on Ziiva:
Nissan cars suck. If they suck as much as I think they do they need to do something to boost sales. Releasing a new Silvia alongside the new Z would be a great way to get asses in seats and sales up.
...or...
People actually like all of Nissan's ugly fucking cars. Their sales are doing well enough to allow for the continuation of the 'small sports car' project they started with the iDX.
I believe it more this time around. I never bought into the iDX thing even when they were taking the prototypes to Cars & Coffee. Now seems like a good time to believe.
Like I said, I really want to believe in it.
Green Arrow
08-03-2016, 02:50 PM
its click bait... this project is dead. if it were happening, i wouldve known by now via my source at Nissan.
LOL Mr big shot.....tell us again. I guess future rwd thread wasn't enough for that post...autographs later?
chris_240sx
08-03-2016, 03:43 PM
Nissan has gotten everyone's hopes up too many times before; I don't believe it.
bataangpinoy
08-03-2016, 10:17 PM
The auto sales industry is very slow right now guys. Even if Nissan were to develop a new RWD platform, there's no way in fuck its entering the US market. Scion tanked, the GT86 is struggling... and they're not gonna sway consumers looking at the BMW 1 or 2 series..
claaasssiiiccc21
08-03-2016, 10:22 PM
Nissan has gotten everyone's hopes up too many times before; I don't believe it.
QFT Exactly, Nismo is too wrapped up in the R35 now to be spending any resources on an S16 platform. Seems as if Nismo has to be involved in order to get the ball rolling on any performance based Nissan.
d9m13n
08-04-2016, 01:15 AM
Here's a totally out-of-my-ass statement with no facts behind it. Par for the course on Ziiva:
Nissan cars suck. If they suck as much as I think they do they need to do something to boost sales. Releasing a new Silvia alongside the new Z would be a great way to get asses in seats and sales up.
...or...
People actually like all of Nissan's ugly fucking cars. Their sales are doing well enough to allow for the continuation of the 'small sports car' project they started with the iDX.
I believe it more this time around. I never bought into the iDX thing even when they were taking the prototypes to Cars & Coffee. Now seems like a good time to believe.
Like I said, I really want to believe in it.
unfortunately, I think its the latter, sans the continuation of the sports car project part. I have non car person friends who actually think the new generation maxima looks attractive, and there are enough Jukes on my daily commute to make me think the whole world needs corrective lenses. Even though Nissan seems to be doing okay, I dont see any sort of new s-chassis on the horizon anytime soon.
Question for those of you more knowledgeable of Nissan's current global lineup than me, is there even any platform currently in use that a small sports car could exist on?
lunchmeat
08-04-2016, 01:52 AM
I really haven't liked anything from Nissan since the late 90s. Never have been a big fan of the 350/370z or the g35. Kinda on the fence about the g37 or q whatever the fuck it is now. No opinion on the gtr as I'll never have the cash to own one.
My whole family drive nissans. Dad has a frontier, mom drives an xterra, brother has a maxima, and his wife has a rogue. Not car people really.
STR8 H8N
08-04-2016, 06:27 AM
http://goautomedia.cdn.on.net/gallery/nissan/idx/2013_11_20_nissan_idx_14.jpg
STR8 H8N
08-04-2016, 06:27 AM
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Yga1jQKVm-0/maxresdefault.jpg
brndck
08-04-2016, 07:42 AM
Question for those of you more knowledgeable of Nissan's current global lineup than me, is there even any platform currently in use that a small sports car could exist on?
pretty sure the Q60 is the closest thing coming down the pipeline
http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2016/01/2017-Infiniti-Q60-Coupe-side-in-motion.jpg
http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2015/11/2017-Infiniti-Q60-Spied-Front-Look.jpg?interpolation=lanczos-none&fit=around%7C660%3A438&crop=660%3A438%3B*%2C*
not terrible or anything, but not exactly S16 material either
http://jalopnik.com/the-2017-infiniti-q60-is-the-400-hp-twin-coupe-new-coup-1752263989
400hp v6tt? somehow they aren't worried about THIS undercutting 370z sales???
tlieberman240
08-04-2016, 09:16 AM
its click bait... this project is dead. if it were happening, i wouldve known by now via my source at Nissan.
That's stupid. Just because your source at Nissan doesn't know anything yet, doesn't mean anything isn't happening. Unless your "source" is extremely high up on the totem pole - this means working at the coorporate level, not just some dealership - he won't know any information until there's an official release from Nissan.
Manufacturers are pretty good about keeping upcoming projects pretty hush hush until it's time to reveal. If a bunch of people already know about it, it's because said manufacturer likely wants them to know.
That being said, until there is an official statement from somebody (who matters) that works for Nissan, everything said is just speculation.
I won't be surprised if this concept never makes it production, honestly. We shall see, though.
tlieberman240
08-04-2016, 09:42 AM
The auto sales industry is very slow right now guys. Even if Nissan were to develop a new RWD platform, there's no way in fuck its entering the US market. Scion tanked, the GT86 is struggling... and they're not gonna sway consumers looking at the BMW 1 or 2 series..
Agree with the first part; second part I'm not so sure. We only get the 2 series here in the US, for starters. Secondly, the price point is a big factor. A 228i (to become the 230i for 2017) which is extremely bland, is 33k starting. The M235i (to become the 240i for 2017), is 45k starting.
If Nissan were to bring this car out to compete with the FRS/BRZ, the price would be similar as well, meaning 25-28k. Those who want the BMW will buy it for the refinement and luxury, or for the BMW name. People spend 100k for a Nissan GTR, when they could also spend 100k for an M5 or a 7 series. It comes down to the invididual client and what specific wants/needs they have from a vehicle.
If this car from Nissan really does come out, I can tell you exactly how it's going to go: It'll be the hottest thing out for about a year. The kids who can't afford it will bitch about how it needs more power or how it could be better in some way, even though they will have never driven it. Every second rate car reviewer with a youtube channel will make a car review on it. There will be rocket bunny available for it like 2 weeks after it hits dealer lots, and people will be throwing BC coilovers and xxr/rota/miro/varrstoen wheels on it like crazy. People will come up with new hashtags to get maximum likes and follows. People will stop really giving a shit about it after a year or two, and talk about how it's not relevant until it gets more power.
LockOn!
08-04-2016, 12:47 PM
I think the FRS just gotta an accelerated version of the same AIDS the 240SX had. I owned an FRS and they're awesome little cars. Hard to justify the 'new' price but scooping a low-mileage used one would be the next best thing if you're 'done' with the s-chassis.
I can't wait till they are sub-10K. Stuff a turbo BEAMs in that bitch and braap to my hearts content. Fuck you Toyota, if you won't build it, we will.
pretty sure the Q60 is the closest thing coming down the pipeline
not terrible or anything, but not exactly S16 material either
400hp v6tt? somehow they aren't worried about THIS undercutting 370z sales???
The reality is that the people who want a sub-30K 2+2 sports coupe, generally can't afford one. The reason they are not worried about undercutting the 370Z is because the 370 in Nissan's eyes IS their bargain bin sports coupe. They are not concerned with appeasing the peasants. The Q60 will be priced above it.
All the peasants get is shitty multi-use (ie: versatile but does nothing particularly well) mini-crossovers and hatchbacks. You know why? Because generally that's what peasants buy. Most people out there with only 25K to blow are going to try and get the most bang for their buck. Not a sporty coupe that only impresses teenagers.
We exist in this echo-chamber because we are still teenagers at heart when it comes to these cars. I'd love to see Toyota and Nissan duke it out in a 2+2 affordable sports car "race" but it just isn't going to happen. The best we have to hope for is for Mazda to keep shitting on everyone with the Miata, and prey one of these other companies gets hungry for a piece of that pie.
Until then, in terms of cars newer then 2000, this is what we have to work with.
Miata
FRS/BRZ
BMW 1/2/3
Mustangs
Gen Coupe
Z Chassis
G Chassis
s2000
Possibly for the rest of eternity barring some fucking miracle.
I place no faith in this article. The iDx was already at cars and coffee, Jay Lenos garage, multiple other media outlets, and THEY STILL SHIT CANNED IT. Obviously someone at Nissan was willing to stick his neck out to take it that far, but the bean counters just couldn't make it work. :(
STR8 H8N
08-04-2016, 12:53 PM
pretty sure the Q60 is the closest thing coming down the pipeline
http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2016/01/2017-Infiniti-Q60-Coupe-side-in-motion.jpg
http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2015/11/2017-Infiniti-Q60-Spied-Front-Look.jpg?interpolation=lanczos-none&fit=around%7C660%3A438&crop=660%3A438%3B*%2C*
not terrible or anything, but not exactly S16 material either
http://jalopnik.com/the-2017-infiniti-q60-is-the-400-hp-twin-coupe-new-coup-1752263989
400hp v6tt? somehow they aren't worried about THIS undercutting 370z sales???
duh
you can already reserve it
http://www.infinitiusa.com/coupe/2017-q60/
dorkidori_s13
08-04-2016, 01:38 PM
$40,000 + no available manual option, ever.
no thanks!
brndck
08-04-2016, 02:58 PM
duh
you can already reserve it
yes, that's EXACTLY why I said "coming down the pipeline" :picardfp:
$40,000 + no available manual option, ever.
no thanks!
eh, I'm sure someone will have an adapter plate to bolt a cd009 to it pretty quick.
I just hope its not already at the upper edge of its tune, and has room for aftermarket engine modification.
d9m13n
08-05-2016, 12:17 AM
I wish automakers would just say fuck it and produce cheap enthusiast cars again.
Just for the hell of it.
The industry is going to become electric/hydrogen/solar/wind/magic power and autonomous centric in the next decade or so anyways, so id love to see them just say fuck the bean counters and give the ICE a nice bang on its way out. :2f2f:
Never gonna happen
rawgarage
08-05-2016, 12:35 AM
Q60 coupe already letting me down....
dorkidori_s13
08-05-2016, 12:48 AM
eh, I'm sure someone will have an adapter plate to bolt a cd009 to it pretty quick.
no thanks, want manual from factory... tired of "race car". want twin turbo with manual tranny stock, none of this "cut it up and make it work" bs.
simmode1
08-05-2016, 01:45 PM
I wish automakers would just say fuck it and produce cheap enthusiast cars again.
Dafuq... there are quite a few...
FRS
Miata
370Z
Genesis (RIP)
Mustang
Camaro
Challenger
2 series
d9m13n
08-05-2016, 01:57 PM
Dafuq... there are quite a few...
FRS
Miata
370Z
Genesis (RIP)
Mustang
Camaro
Challenger
2 series
You have a point, but most of the cars on that list carry price tags of over $30k, which I wouldnt call cheap. 370z starts over 30k, you cant get a v8 stang for under 30k msrp, camaro you cant even get a v6 under 30k, challenger r/t starts at 31k, and the base 2 series is 32k. I meant more price ranges around the frs and miata, mid 20s is affordable since most people who want a cheap tuner car new wont have much more to spend than that, if they can even muster that much. And yes you can make the argument that the muscle cars come with smaller engines for less, but do you really want a 4 banger under the hood of your camaro or mustang?
dorkidori_s13
08-05-2016, 02:05 PM
just a small heads up... this is the break down of cost on a 1991 240sx compared to what it would be today...
What cost $14500 in 1991 would cost $25454.49 in 2015.
d9m13n
08-05-2016, 02:09 PM
just a small heads up... this is the break down of cost on a 1991 240sx compared to what it would be today...
exactly, and a new gt86 with a manual is just a hair over $25k msrp.
[240sx]
08-05-2016, 02:13 PM
just a small heads up... FRS...
^ THIS. Car enthusiasts are delusional.
Sent from my SM-G930P
dizzariot
08-09-2016, 02:52 PM
If Nissan were to bring this car out to compete with the FRS/BRZ, the price would be similar as well, meaning 25-28k. Those who want the BMW will buy it for the refinement and luxury, or for the BMW name. People spend 100k for a Nissan GTR, when they could also spend 100k for an M5 or a 7 series. It comes down to the individual client and what specific wants/needs they have from a vehicle.
If this car from Nissan really does come out, I can tell you exactly how it's going to go: It'll be the hottest thing out for about a year. The kids who can't afford it will bitch about how it needs more power or how it could be better in some way, even though they will have never driven it. Every second rate car reviewer with a youtube channel will make a car review on it. There will be rocket bunny available for it like 2 weeks after it hits dealer lots, and people will be throwing BC coilovers and xxr/rota/miro/varrstoen wheels on it like crazy. People will come up with new hashtags to get maximum likes and follows. People will stop really giving a shit about it after a year or two, and talk about how it's not relevant until it gets more power.
Sounds like a certain chassis you and I used to own.
I can't wait till they are sub-10K. Stuff a turbo BEAMs in that bitch and braap to my hearts content. Fuck you Toyota, if you won't build it, we will.
Toyota is fucking up with the lack of motor updates. If the sales are 'suffering' it's not due to the FRS being shitty...it's due to the manufacturer giving us light-up badges and shitty aero and calling it 'all-new'.
People love to bring up the fact that Scion is dead and then go on to say the FRS couldn't save Scion. Uhhh last time I checked they had 7 cars in the Scion lineup and only two (FRS/XB) were worth a shit. How the fuck are you gonna hang Scion's demise on the fucking ZN6? Bunch of morons.
I wish automakers would just say fuck it and produce cheap enthusiast cars again.
Never gonna happen
exactly, and a new gt86 with a manual is just a hair over $25k msrp.
...soooooo are you just posting hear to read your own comments? The hypocrisy is strong in these two comments. Not trying to be too much of an asshole. Just saying.
As someone that owned an FRS and is constantly dealing with the maintenance required on a 2005 Forester and a '93 S13 I can honestly say that selling the FRS was a mistake. I'm leaving for Japan TOMORROW and I STILL want to bring an FRS with me to Japan. Best option for guys like us: low entry cost (used) and a healthy aftermarket lineup. The motor is 'meh' but the car is a blast in the curves. If you honestly need more just buy a turbo kit. I'm actually getting pretty sick of dudes talking out of their ass about the ZN6 when they've never owned one or put it through some mountain roads.
dorkidori_s13
08-09-2016, 03:08 PM
needs more power... end of story! there is NO excuse not to offer a turbo model in either FRS or BRZ, PERIOD!!!! i dont need to drive one to know this... i understand basic business principles. if there is demand for something, FUCKING BUILD IT!
case in point, Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro. 3 motor options for EACH car... all 3 cars are doing just fine and have a demographic theyre sold to!
the Japanese manufacturers have their heads up their asses and their cars now just SUCK! there, i said it!
Encore
08-16-2016, 09:36 PM
needs more power... end of story! there is NO excuse not to offer a turbo model in either FRS or BRZ, PERIOD!!!! i dont need to drive one to know this... i understand basic business principles. if there is demand for something, FUCKING BUILD IT!
case in point, Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro. 3 motor options for EACH car... all 3 cars are doing just fine and have a demographic theyre sold to!
the Japanese manufacturers have their heads up their asses and their cars now just SUCK! there, i said it!
Good point. As much hate as the Genesis gets, it did (at one point) come with two different motor options. I don't understand why more manufactures don't do that as well.
dorkidori_s13
08-16-2016, 09:45 PM
i quite like the genny coupe. would love a first gen 4 cylinder.
racepar1
08-16-2016, 09:50 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/F8bo1LU5U5ApG/giphy.gif
I'm with Ron, just another "240sx successor thread", move along...
Encore
08-16-2016, 10:52 PM
i quite like the genny coupe. would love a first gen 4 cylinder.
Got the 2nd gen 4 cylinder, and I love it. Every bit as fun as my s14.
AllThingsGravy
09-19-2016, 11:48 AM
We getting left behind boys
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PoorMans180SX
09-19-2016, 12:33 PM
why Nissan can't/won't engineer something comparable to the proven 4g63 (which is decades old) is beyond me.
They did that about 15 years ago, it's called the SR20VE.
LockOn!
09-19-2016, 01:05 PM
Hay, I read in latest Car & Driver that the new BRZ is a total drift-MACHINE and
get this you guys
and
AND
it gets
wait for it
it gets
FIVE WHOLE MORE HORSE POWERS
that's right! not one! not two! but
5 all entirely new for 2017, horse units.
dorkidori_s13
09-19-2016, 01:09 PM
lol
horse units... gonna have to borrow that one LMAO!!!!!!!!
AllThingsGravy
09-19-2016, 01:13 PM
Hay, I read in latest Car & Driver that the new BRZ is a total drift-MACHINE and
get this you guys
and
AND
it gets
wait for it
it gets
FIVE WHOLE MORE HORSE POWERS
that's right! not one! not two! but
5 all entirely new for 2017, horse units.
How much to the price tag!!!!!!??
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stev0n
09-19-2016, 01:48 PM
http://goautomedia.cdn.on.net/gallery/nissan/idx/2013_11_20_nissan_idx_14.jpg
I was in Detroit in January 2014 at the International Auto Show for the unveiling of both of these & the sport sedan concept aka new maxima. I did an interview with Pete Brock for nico & nissan sport magazine about the IDx.
IMO if that was going to be the new silvia, then I'm glad the project was scrapped. the presentation was awesome but the product was kinda lackluster.
Grimace
09-19-2016, 02:16 PM
I HIGHLY doubt Nissan could make an "s16" with out fucking it all up. The only thing Nissan has going for it right now is the Z or the GT-R. (not including infiniti). The new cars are meh, And im sick of them slapping nismo on cars that have no reason to be associated with performance/motorsport, *Cough juke cough*.
As for other affordable RWD sports coupes, Sure the FRS/BRZ is a fun car. Used market is coming down, and its nice to own something newer. But, IF you really didn't need the rear seats, You're stupid to not buy an S2000. The Z market is coming down which has its good and bad points. Good, You can get a Z for under 10k. Bad, Well now its going to get the 240 aids and every kid is going to get a Z because hoondrift lyfe yo.
AllThingsGravy
09-19-2016, 02:19 PM
I HIGHLY doubt Nissan could make an "s16" with out fucking it all up. The only thing Nissan has going for it right now is the Z or the GT-R. (not including infiniti). The new cars are meh, And im sick of them slapping nismo on cars that have no reason to be associated with performance/motorsport, *Cough juke cough*.
As for other affordable RWD sports coupes, Sure the FRS/BRZ is a fun car. Used market is coming down, and its nice to own something newer. But, IF you really didn't need the rear seats, You're stupid to not buy an S2000. The Z market is coming down which has its good and bad points. Good, You can get a Z for under 10k. Bad, Well now its going to get the 240 aids and every kid is going to get a Z because hoondrift lyfe yo.
I agree but you think they will keep making the Zs all the way until 2020 just making small upgrades and differences here and there? They will probably release another sports car eventually just hopefully they don't mess it up.
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driftsucky
09-19-2016, 04:53 PM
Turbo Mustangs under 30k. They exist. And they turn. Just sayin
SupaDoopa
09-20-2016, 07:22 AM
needs more power... end of story! there is NO excuse not to offer a turbo model in either FRS or BRZ, PERIOD!!!! i dont need to drive one to know this... i understand basic business principles. if there is demand for something, FUCKING BUILD IT!
case in point, Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro. 3 motor options for EACH car... all 3 cars are doing just fine and have a demographic theyre sold to!
the Japanese manufacturers have their heads up their asses and their cars now just SUCK! there, i said it!
So, what you're saying is you want a car that's on the higher price spectrum for most people to get even more expensive with a turbo, some cool engine tuning, bigger brakes and other shit? Sorry, but if you think that's going to help, you're wrong. The car for most is a toy for the most part. It isn't practical in most cases. It's for kids who's parents will buy them whatever cool car they want or balding men in their early 40's that cruise by the local high school when they get out for the day with tinted windows hoping a teenie bopper winks at him because he's never had that as a kid and it fills some awkward, creepy fantasy of his.
Something like that is going to be a hair under $40,000 all night and day and you know range you're walking into? 1M, EVO X, STi, etc. If I were about to spent in the neighborhood of that, I sure as shit wouldn't spend it on a RELEASE SERIES 1923.0 FR-S GT v2 Type-F.
And how are you going to say they NEED to release a turbo version? Have you driven one extensively? Do you have seat time to back this up? Most people aren't buying them to slide. They're buying them to cruise in a reliable car [hopefully] with a good warranty but also looks pretty cool but also is reasonable on insurance. You can't look at everything with the enthusiasts mindset because that's not why they build what they build. They build what they think will sell in large numbers and fill their pockets.
Not only that, but they have all this EPA shit they need to conform to. You can't just slap a turbo on something and make a million horsepower and expect the dudes who wear hemp socks to be okay with it. There are a ton of variables you're dismissing for a thirst of another 40-50 horse power.
Just saying.
dudermagee
09-20-2016, 10:07 AM
Pretty sure they could literally use the STI long block of the same generation for like 5-6K more.
AllThingsGravy
09-20-2016, 10:42 AM
Facts.
I'm crying lmaooo
SupaDoopa
09-20-2016, 11:25 AM
Pretty sure they could literally use the STI long block of the same generation for like 5-6K more.
Again, pushing the price closer to the $35,000 range. Try justifying a RWD turbo Scion for $35,000. You can't. You never will. People will spend the few extra bucks and get something much, much cooler.
spooled240
09-20-2016, 12:02 PM
Again, pushing the price closer to the $35,000 range. Try justifying a RWD turbo Scion for $35,000. You can't. You never will. People will spend the few extra bucks and get something much, much cooler.
The ecoboost mustang which has a little over 300hp starts at 25k while the FR-S starts at around 26K, so it is possible for a car manufacturer to develop a RWD turbo car in the mid 20's. I feel like FR-S should be in the low 20's and Toyota/Subaru could have easily dropped in a slightly detuned wrx motor(already EPA compliant), larger 2 piston brakes off another larger Toyota and a few suspension tweaks and sell the car for mid to high 20's with 230hp/200tq or something. They wouldn't have had to reinvent the wheel here as they have all the parts.
They wouldn't have had to make the car that much faster for it to have been that much more of an exciting car. I don't mind modifying cars, but I would much rather fuck around with bolt ons on an already-boosted engine and not have to do an entire engine swap and/or turbo kits/engine rebuild, etc. to make the car fast.
Grimace
09-20-2016, 12:04 PM
I agree but you think they will keep making the Zs all the way until 2020 just making small upgrades and differences here and there? They will probably release another sports car eventually just hopefully they don't mess it up.
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The Z is a good platform, while its getting dated the 370 is a nice upgrade to the 350. I think they can get a few more years out of the chassis. Maybe we will see a cheaper Nissan version of the new infiniti coupe.
Again, pushing the price closer to the $35,000 range. Try justifying a RWD turbo Scion for $35,000. You can't. You never will. People will spend the few extra bucks and get something much, much cooler.
Pretty much spot on, 35k can get you a lot of car. That can get you a supercharged CTSV or C6 Z06, used of course but ill take a CPO 500whp car over a brand new 300whp any day.
SupaDoopa
09-20-2016, 12:17 PM
The ecoboost mustang which has a little over 300hp starts at 25k while the FR-S starts at around 26K, so it is possible for a car manufacturer to develop a RWD turbo car in the mid 20's. I feel like FR-S should be in the low 20's and Toyota/Subaru could have easily dropped in a slightly detuned wrx motor(already EPA compliant), larger 2 piston brakes off another larger Toyota and a few suspension tweaks and sell the car for mid to high 20's with 230hp/200tq or something. They wouldn't have had to reinvent the wheel here as they have all the parts.
They wouldn't have had to make the car that much faster for it to have been that much more of an exciting car. I don't mind modifying cars, but I would much rather fuck around with bolt ons on an already-boosted engine and not have to do an entire engine swap and/or turbo kits/engine rebuild, etc. to make the car fast.
Anything is 'possible,' but it's unlikely. Figure this - you can get an EVO X GSR which is arguable the best AWD-T car with enough 'cool guy' shit that will make the purchaser feeling he got a ton for his money. Then flip the script and have a BR-Z the way it is but available in a turbo trim and be the same money. Which would you get? If you said the BR-Z, you were obviously too close to a nuclear test site because you have issues. Even if the FR-S/BR-Z was $30,000 soup to nuts loaded to the gills I wouldn't even consider it. I wouldn't even buy it used because of what the skinny jeans, band t-shirt wearing high school senior who vapes in his school parking lot after hours did with it before.
Is it saying that building a stripped down, boosted, performance-loaded Scion/Toyota/Subaru isn't possible like I said previously but you have to also understand the demand. Probably 1 out of 10,000 people who buy one are saying their car sucks and they wish it had more power. Those people would have just bought something else with their money. We are enthusiasts; we think everything should be faster, cooler with more shit for less money. It's just not the way the world works. If you want something like that, you'll either have to build it yourself or keep dreaming.
Sorry for being so blunt but sometimes it's warranted.
LockOn!
09-20-2016, 12:30 PM
The Z is a good platform, while its getting dated the 370 is a nice upgrade to the 350. I think they can get a few more years out of the chassis. Maybe we will see a cheaper Nissan version of the new infiniti coupe.
I had a Z for a couple of years and while it was great for having fun, it is total garbage as serving as an actual car.
Groceries barely fit in the hatch
Can only transport two tires or wheels at a time
Single passenger
These are all things I thought I could live without but was 100% wrong. The biggest issue being transporting wheels and tires. Every time I went to a drift day, two tires in my car, then scramble to find someone to pack my other four to the track.
On top of that, having to make two trips to the tire shop to get new rubber put on, totally sucks ass.
I ended up selling and picking up another 240 hatch for this next year. 6 wheels in that thing easy, plus 4 on top if you buy a rack.
The FRS and Mustang, or aging RWD BMWs are a far better options then a Z unless you intend on trailering it and your gear to the track.
spooled240
09-20-2016, 12:50 PM
^I had an FD and felt the same way, except I had the reliability issues to deal with as well :P
Anything is 'possible,' but it's unlikely. Figure this - you can get an EVO X GSR which is arguable the best AWD-T car with enough 'cool guy' shit that will make the purchaser feeling he got a ton for his money. Then flip the script and have a BR-Z the way it is but available in a turbo trim and be the same money. Which would you get? If you said the BR-Z, you were obviously too close to a nuclear test site because you have issues.
This is already happening, except people are buying the N/A FR-Z for just a tad less than an AWD turbo car. If you bought a new BR-Z you could have had a turbo and AWD for just a bit more.
2017 BR-Z: $25,494 MSRP
2017 WRX: $26,695 MSRP
I'm still a little baffled as to why the FR-Z's are priced in this range when other cars like the WRX, ecoboost mustang, etc. for instance which would be a lot more expensive to produce are priced similarly. It's definitely not the creature comforts. These cars should be cheap, like a modern-day 240sx.
dorkidori_s13
09-20-2016, 01:34 PM
This is already happening, except people are buying the N/A FR-Z for just a tad less than an AWD turbo car. If you bought a new BR-Z you could have had a turbo and AWD for just a bit more.
2017 BR-Z: $25,494 MSRP
2017 WRX: $26,695 MSRP
I'm still a little baffled as to why the FR-Z's are priced in this range when other cars like the WRX, ecoboost mustang, etc. for instance which would be a lot more expensive to produce are priced similarly. It's definitely not the creature comforts. These cars should be cheap, like a modern-day 240sx.
lets do some simple math here... and its gonna hurt
2017 BR-Z: $25,494 MSRP = $14,863.30 1992 money
2017 WRX: $26,695 MSRP = $15,563.50 1992 money
1992 240sx SE MSRP - $14500-$15200 (roughly)
So there you have it... in modern day money, the BR-Z costs the same as the 1992 S13.
And just incase anyone wants to play with the calculator I used themselves, here you are... http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
LockOn!
09-20-2016, 01:47 PM
So there you have it... in modern day money, the BR-Z costs the same as the 1992 S13.
I think what people, at least us people, were hoping for, is some form of equivalent to a turbocharged Silvia. Not a truck motor powered 240sx lol.
At least its easy to add some extra juice to the ZN6 via supercharger I guess.
spooled240
09-20-2016, 01:50 PM
lets do some simple math here... and its gonna hurt
2017 BR-Z: $25,494 MSRP = $14,863.30 1992 money
2017 WRX: $26,695 MSRP = $15,563.50 1992 money
1992 240sx SE MSRP - $14500-$15200 (roughly)
So there you have it... in modern day money, the BR-Z costs the same as the 1992 S13.
And just incase anyone wants to play with the calculator I used themselves, here you are... http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
That was a typo, I meant the build quality of the car is like a 240sx. The 240sx was expensive for what it was too. Piggy-backing off your example with the link you provided, a loaded '98 SE would have ran you over 30k in today's dollars.
AllThingsGravy
09-20-2016, 01:51 PM
I think what people, at least us people, were hoping for, is some form of equivalent to a turbocharged Silvia. Not a truck motor powered 240sx lol.
At least its easy to add some extra juice to the ZN6 via supercharger I guess.
I'm sure if nissan put out a successor they more than definitely hit it with a turbocharged I4. I can't see a smaller car like a brz or frs style getting a 6 from factory.
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dudermagee
09-20-2016, 02:26 PM
Again, pushing the price closer to the $35,000 range. Try justifying a RWD turbo Scion for $35,000. You can't. You never will. People will spend the few extra bucks and get something much, much cooler.
I wouldn't think that changing out one production block for another similar production block would add 10k.
Even if it did, they could go the cheaper option and use their WRX block and that can't be more than a couple grand so over the starting point of 25K.
SupaDoopa
09-20-2016, 02:35 PM
I've seen Nissan actively testing the limits of smaller turbo engines. If we get anything, I suspect it'll be a smaller chassis similar to a Miata.
AllThingsGravy
09-20-2016, 02:36 PM
I've seen Nissan actively testing the limits of smaller turbo engines. If we get anything, I suspect it'll be a smaller chassis similar to a Miata.
That would be interesting tbh
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SupaDoopa
09-20-2016, 02:59 PM
Well, we've had something similar before - just not something on that scale. Will it be a 2-seater? Probably not because they aren't going to rival something in their own line up with the Z chassis but a compact 2+2 with a rear seat that's basically worthless isn't out of the question.
LockOn!
09-20-2016, 04:32 PM
but a compact 2+2 with a rear seat that's basically worthless isn't out of the question.
For fucks sake I don't care if dogs don't even fit in the back seats, the added cargo capacity is all I really care about.
driftsucky
09-20-2016, 04:34 PM
Nissan has the Q60...which is just a functional version of the Z. But, because the Z isn't a volume seller for Nissan, I can't see them putting any EXTRA money into it's development or even toying with the idea of bringing over something with back seats. Maybe the next iteration of the Z will have back seats, but that really depends on Infiniti sales. I don't think MOST people who want a Z would buy the Infiniti version just because of better utility (I did, but I don't think I'm really their target market). Based on Z sales, I'd say we'd be lucky to find anything MORE from Nissan as far as performance goes...especially in the compact car market.
As for the FRS/BRZ debate, enthusiast have hyped the car more than what it's really supposed to be. It breaks Subaru's AWD market mantra and Toyota already has a "cute coupe" in the TC. So, they kinda, seemingly made the car for us and we complained. The teeny-bopper vapers that bought it loved it, and the old guys who no longer had a Celica to buy loved it. They didn't care about power.
Bottom line, if you want a fairly powerful RWD affordable and tune-able coupe that you can use as daily, you're either going to get a Mustang or a Camaro. Ford is going the direct injection turbo motor route on every commercial vehicle they make. F150, Flex, Explorer, Edge, Escape, Mustang, Taurus, Fusion, Focus, and Fiesta ALL have a turbo motor version of their car. So, that's probably going to be your best route for a new. With the new C.A.F.E laws and emission standards getting more and more ridiculous, I can see American manufacturers going this route because all of the big 3 have high horsepower V8/V10/V8-supercharged/etc cars so they have to figure out ways to offset that. Not for nothing, but Nissan's most gas-guzzling vehicle is either the Armada or the GTR...neither of which are volume sellers. So, nobody else really has a need to do anything.
LockOn!
09-20-2016, 04:50 PM
^^^
I am almost certain I will own an Ecoboost Mustang as a toy later in life.
I'll just have to dress it up all JDM like, swap in some red Brides with a Nardi and write Silvia on the back in magic marker.
http://1234kyle5678.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Michael-Jordan-Crying-Fragile-Masculinity-1234kyle5678.png
Why have you forsaken me Nissan.
I loved you
dorkidori_s13
09-20-2016, 05:35 PM
...and write Silvia on the back in magic marker...
fucking idea thief! :fawk2:
well i was going to do mine in vinyl so it looks official :keke: :keke: :keke:
SupaDoopa
09-20-2016, 06:13 PM
^^^
I am almost certain I will own an Ecoboost Mustang as a toy later in life.
I'll just have to dress it up all JDM like, swap in some red Brides with a Nardi and write Silvia on the back in magic marker.
http://1234kyle5678.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Michael-Jordan-Crying-Fragile-Masculinity-1234kyle5678.png
Why have you forsaken me Nissan.
I loved you
BRIDES, Nardi, Silvia jibberish on a shit kicking 4-banger Moosetang. Please, please, please tell me this is all sarcasm. Please. Don't make me force feed you bleach burgers.
AllThingsGravy
09-20-2016, 09:29 PM
The q60 don't look bad but 38-53k?
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dizzariot
09-21-2016, 04:59 AM
Damn man I move to Japan and all of this shit blows up
You guys doubting the ZN6 chassis are fucking idiots. Plain and simple. Drive one. Own one for a while. I mean for fuck's sake make an EDUCATED opinion instead of reading online reviews by stupid assholes. You guys are so up your own fucking asses it makes me sick. Shut the fuck up. Please. Our country has enough assholes talking out of their dick-receptacles right now.
Can't speak on the Z too much because I've never owned one...but if you want a heavy-ass V6 (facts) over a used, lightweight 4-banger then that's on you.
New ZN6 also removed that shitty torque dip. Look it up for more deets, nutswingers.
You guys actively represent all of the morons that get stationed here, don't want to be here, and then fuck it up for people that DO want to be here. Assuming you know shit when you fucking don't. Spreading bullshit. Congrats.
I'm back, by the way.
dizzariot
09-21-2016, 05:08 AM
Here's a magazine I JUST (21SEP2016) picked up at a 7/11 in Hayama. They're obviously still working on it. I know you think the world revolves around you but they might very well release a contender in Japan. Can I get one? No, not if I want to bring it back. Is Nissan still toying with the idea over here? Yes. So if you could remove your anus-piece from your shit-spewer (mouth) that'd be great.
This render is CLEARLY taking design cues from the ZN6. You're blind and also a total fucking idiot that got picked on in high school if you deny the similarities.
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy52/terranovadario/IMG_0389_zpsnunx9mco.jpg
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy52/terranovadario/IMG_0390_zps3kp6rwjb.jpg
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy52/terranovadario/IMG_0391_zpsq92hyddf.jpg
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy52/terranovadario/IMG_0392_zpsftrr5zpb.jpg
lunchmeat
09-21-2016, 05:23 AM
No idea what it says, but I like it.
zenkicpe
09-21-2016, 05:58 AM
Hope it happens! Agree dizzy the FRS/BRZ is legit
driftsucky
09-21-2016, 06:03 AM
So Japanese Motor Trend shows a concept vehicle and all of sudden a company who's losing market share globally and whose current "affordable" performance coupe has been losing sales since its rebirth is going to not only make another coupe but bring it to it's most restrictive market? Yeah. That's probably accurate. Good thing you enlightened us.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/yeah_ok.gif
honestly, I hope they do. From a business standpoint, it doesn't make any sense. But, the Murano convertible was, quite possibly, the DUMBEST thing I've ever seen that happened in real life, so that gives me hope for this far far FAR less dumb thing to happen.
dizzariot
09-21-2016, 06:25 AM
So Japanese Motor Trend shows a concept vehicle and all of sudden a company who's losing market share globally and whose current "affordable" performance coupe has been losing sales since its rebirth is going to not only make another coupe but bring it to it's most restrictive market? Yeah. That's probably accurate. Good thing you enlightened us.
honestly, I hope they do. From a business standpoint, it doesn't make any sense. But, the Murano convertible was, quite possibly, the DUMBEST thing I've ever seen that happened in real life, so that gives me hope for this far far FAR less dumb thing to happen.
lol ok, monster man.
You have a different point of view. I'll counter with this: they need to make a ZN6 contender more than ever with 'stale 370Z sales' and shit cars like the Murano convertible...but then again there's some weird shit over here that's popular so who knows when the next Murano convertible will see production. You need to realize that shit you think is dumb might be cool elsewhere. That's the only thing giving me culture-shock over here. Did you fucking know they still sell Zima over here?
Losing shares globally? Oh yeah, Nissan will be gone next year. Better pull the plug on a redeemer ASAP.
Most restrictive market. Please explain.
EDIT: Please e n l i g h t e n .
d9m13n
09-21-2016, 06:38 AM
The FRS/BRZ has made me very sad from an OBJECTIVE standpoint. I have not driven one, nor owned one, but the source of every aggravation ive seen with the car has to do with its baseline disappointing power. Toyota/Subaru fucked the car up from the get-go. It was a great idea, it was executed well from a design/chassis standpoint, but on the subject of the engine it turned out horribly. What really upsets me about the car is that the whole point of the joint-venture sports car we are seeing lately is keeping costs down between the two companies and sharing resources such as engineering and production. Toyota and Subaru have great fucking performance parts bins they could have picked from at their leisure, but instead they chose to engineer a brand new N/A engine which by modern standards is at best DECENT. Managing a tiny bit over 100hp/liter isnt terrible by any means, but when you compare it to the turbo fours that both companies have it doesnt make sense that they wouldnt have designed the fucking car around a decently powered engine from the get go. What none of you are bringing up is the fact that Subaru has the WRX, which is their affordable turbo performance car. They easily could have produced a reasonably powerful turbocharged RWD performance coupe AND KEPT CONSUMER COSTS AND PRODUCTION COSTS LOW but it would have caused internal competition within the companies. By now begging for a turbo/more powerful FRS/BRZ is wasting your time because the platform is developed, now old, and on its way out sooner rather than later. Fuck the car until it becomes cheap and becomes the new 240sx for the next gen of vape smoking bride rep buying half ass 'cuz drift car bro' hoonidouches.
Hopefully this isnt too incomprehensible
/end rant
dizzariot
09-21-2016, 06:48 AM
The FRS/BRZ has made me very sad from an OBJECTIVE standpoint. I have not driven one, nor owned one, but the source of every aggravation ive seen with the car has to do with its baseline disappointing power. Toyota/Subaru fucked the car up from the get-go. It was a great idea, it was executed well from a design/chassis standpoint, but on the subject of the engine it turned out horribly. What really upsets me about the car is that the whole point of the joint-venture sports car we are seeing lately is keeping costs down between the two companies and sharing resources such as engineering and production. Toyota and Subaru have great fucking performance parts bins they could have picked from at their leisure, but instead they chose to engineer a brand new N/A engine which by modern standards is at best DECENT. Managing a tiny bit over 100hp/liter isnt terrible by any means, but when you compare it to the turbo fours that both companies have it doesnt make sense that they wouldnt have designed the fucking car around a decently powered engine from the get go. What none of you are bringing up is the fact that Subaru has the WRX, which is their affordable turbo performance car. They easily could have produced a reasonably powerful turbocharged RWD performance coupe AND KEPT CONSUMER COSTS AND PRODUCTION COSTS LOW but it would have caused internal competition within the companies. By now begging for a turbo/more powerful FRS/BRZ is wasting your time because the platform is developed, now old, and on its way out sooner rather than later. Fuck the car until it becomes cheap and becomes the new 240sx for the next gen of vape smoking bride rep buying half ass 'cuz drift car bro' hoonidouches.
Hopefully this isnt too incomprehensible
/end rant
You rant about vaping 'hoonidouches' but then dick-ride Subaru so bad that you think everything they put out should have the 'WRX TURBO MOTOR, BR0'.
You are, in a sense, everything you fucking hate about 'vaping hoonidouches'.
The Toyota side of the house marketed this thing as the '86 revival. Did the Sprinter ever get a turbo? No? Weird. Almost like Toyota actually tried to pull off a 'Throwback Thursday' (young slang) that all of us would appreciate and instead people like you dropped your drawers and shit all over the idea. Is your genitalia so deformed and below-average size that you need a God damned turbo on everything?
Drive it. On some nice roads. You need an OFT tune and EL headers. That's it...and again only if your weiner looks weird.
Just sayin'.
driftsucky
09-21-2016, 07:07 AM
lol ok, monster man.
You have a different point of view. I'll counter with this: they need to make a ZN6 contender more than ever with 'stale 370Z sales' and shit cars like the Murano convertible...but then again there's some weird shit over here that's popular so who knows when the next Murano convertible will see production. You need to realize that shit you think is dumb might be cool elsewhere. That's the only thing giving me culture-shock over here. Did you fucking know they still sell Zima over here?
Losing shares globally? Oh yeah, Nissan will be gone next year. Better pull the plug on a redeemer ASAP.
Most restrictive market. Please explain.
EDIT: Please e n l i g h t e n .
I like your counter point. Here's what I'm saying to ALL of the rest...a ZN6 contender will not boost Nissan's market share. Nissan's bread and butter are the Sentra, Altima, and Rogue. MOST people who buy cars don't think of ANY of the things we do. Just like Toyota sells more Camrys and Corollas than anything. Ford sells the Fusions, Escapes, and F150s. Chevy has Malibu/Impalla and Silverado and so on and so forth. These niche cars that ALL of us love barely make a dent in auto manufacturers bottom line. And that's not just Nissan, that's every manufacturer. Thank goodness that there are actually car guys that work at these companies. Hence, the Z, the Hellcats, the Z06's, the GTR's, etc. But, these cars are not breadwinners. And, in many cases, these cars force auto manufacturers to produce more of the boring cars to offset the sales...IN AMERICA.
In America, the C.A.F.E. (Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency) state that every manufacturer must, as a whole, meet a particular mpg standard. What that means is, for every supercharged V8 or V10 or V6TT that gets 17mpg (or less), they need to have a boring 4cyl that gets 40mpg to offset the manufacturer average. In addition to that, manufacturers must build cars to the most restrictive state...which is California. While MOST states don't require their emission standards to be met, enough do that it is easier to build a car that meets it than to build cars that don't and then modify the ones that are designated for that state and the states that require it (like NY).
So, all that is why America is the most restrictive market, as a whole. It's the reason we didn't get GTR's to begin with and the reason we didn't get the SR 240's and a host of other cool cars that the rest of the world got to enjoy.
So, again, I hope Nissan does build it. I'm just skeptical about ever getting it HERE. And since I no longer have a free pass to Japan (and I'm not re-enlisting), if they did, I probably would never drive one.
dizzariot
09-21-2016, 07:15 AM
I like your counter point. Here's what I'm saying to ALL of the rest...a ZN6 contender will not boost Nissan's market share. Nissan's bread and butter are the Sentra, Altima, and Rogue. MOST people who buy cars don't think of ANY of the things we do. Just like Toyota sells more Camrys and Corollas than anything. Ford sells the Fusions, Escapes, and F150s. Chevy has Malibu/Impalla and Silverado and so on and so forth. These niche cars that ALL of us love barely make a dent in auto manufacturers bottom line. And that's not just Nissan, that's every manufacturer. Thank goodness that there are actually car guys that work at these companies. Hence, the Z, the Hellcats, the Z06's, the GTR's, FRS/BRZ, etc. But, these cars are not breadwinners. And, in many cases, these cars force auto manufacturers to produce more of the boring cars to offset the sales...IN AMERICA.
In America, the C.A.F.E. (Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency) state that every manufacturer must, as a whole, meet a particular mpg standard. What that means is, for every supercharged V8 or V10 or V6TT that gets 17mpg (or less), they need to have a boring 4cyl that gets 40mpg to offset the manufacturer average. In addition to that, manufacturers must build cars to the most restrictive state...which is California. While MOST states don't require their emission standards to be met, enough do that it is easier to build a car that meets it than to build cars that don't and then modify the ones that are designated for that state and the states that require it (like NY).
So, all that is why America is the most restrictive market, as a whole. It's the reason we didn't get GTR's to begin with and the reason we didn't get the SR 240's and a host of other cool cars that the rest of the world got to enjoy.
So, again, I hope Nissan does build it. I'm just skeptical about ever getting it HERE. And since I no longer have a free pass to Japan (and I'm not re-enlisting), if they did, I probably would never drive one.
...so when you said 'restrictive market' I thought you meant Japan lol. That's my bad.
By your logic, won't Nissan have enough room for a 'performance car' with all of the MPG-oriented bullshit in the states?
driftsucky
09-21-2016, 07:20 AM
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....if you haven't driven the FRS, shut ALL THE WAY THE F$CK UP!!!!! Seriously. You can not speak about a car you haven't driven. Stop being a bunch of power hungry power whores. The car is a well balanced chassis that is legitimately fun to drive. It's easy to slide (stock) and it's fun in twisties. The ONLY time you notice its power, or lack thereof, is if you're on a straight patch of highway and that douche in the Penstar V6 Challenger with ridiculous stripes and fake badges on it, tries you. That is the ONLY time you notice it's "low power". And you and that guy have different work schedules and the only time you take the highway route home is when you wanna pick up some Chipotle cuz the one in College Town has those hot chicks working there and they always give you large portions. So, you're not gonna run into him that often. It doesn't NEED more power. It's power is fine where it is. I wouldn't be opposed to more power, but it doesn't NEED it.
dizzariot
09-21-2016, 07:23 AM
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....if you haven't driven the FRS, shut ALL THE WAY THE F$CK UP!!!!! Seriously. You can not speak about a car you haven't driven. Stop being a bunch of power hungry power whores. The car is a well balanced chassis that is legitimately fun to drive. It's easy to slide (stock) and it's fun in twisties. The ONLY time you notice its power, or lack thereof, is if you're on a straight patch of highway and that douche in the Penstar V6 Challenger with ridiculous stripes and fake badges on it, tries you. That is the ONLY time you notice it's "low power". And you and that guy have different work schedules and the only time you take the highway route home is when you wanna pick up some Chipotle cuz the one in College Town has those hot chicks working there and they always give you large portions. So, you're not gonna run into him that often. It doesn't NEED more power. It's power is fine where it is. I wouldn't be opposed to more power, but it doesn't NEED it.
http://media.tumblr.com/09df7befa2c1c36af7bb593d40ecc29a/tumblr_inline_mka7jbgMTW1qz4rgp.gif
d9m13n
09-21-2016, 07:26 AM
You rant about vaping 'hoonidouches' but then dick-ride Subaru so bad that you think everything they put out should have the 'WRX TURBO MOTOR, BR0'.
You are, in a sense, everything you fucking hate about 'vaping hoonidouches'.
The Toyota side of the house marketed this thing as the '86 revival. Did the Sprinter ever get a turbo? No? Weird. Almost like Toyota actually tried to pull off a 'Throwback Thursday' (young slang) that all of us would appreciate and instead people like you dropped your drawers and shit all over the idea. Is your genitalia so deformed and below-average size that you need a God damned turbo on everything?
Drive it. On some nice roads. You need an OFT tune and EL headers. That's it...and again only if your weiner looks weird.
JUST FLAMIN.
I said that objectively it would have made financial sense to design the BRZ from the get-go to utilize the proven powerful Subaru turbo engine. Dont consider the Sprinter in this conversation as the 80's are very different from the era we live in of downsizing and turbocharging emerging as the be-all-end-all of efficient gasoline engines.
I dont understand why you jump straight to flaming when I'm trying to bring up a completely outside objective standpoint which considers the non-detrimental financial implications of designing the frs/brz around a turbocharged engine. In an era when Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi, and even Ferrari (aka legendary manufacturers known for their naturally aspirated engines) are turning to turbocharging as a means of making their PERFORMANCE CARS viable for the modern world in terms of requirements regarding efficiency and the ever-increasing power expectations of the enthusiast crowd, well-heeled or not.
I merely respond to the argument in this thread specifically regarding the claims that the BRZ/FRS is lacking in power, and how it would have been a much better idea for the joint venture to create a car with a turbocharged engine.
Nobody is dick riding anything. Im not even a subaru fan, I personally couldnt give less of a shit about their turbo engines, hence why im on a nissan forum instead of clubwrx or nasioc. The point you made about the whole '86 revival' didnt really make sense from Toyota's standpoint either as the members of the market that ended up buying the FRS, at least in the US, werent even old enough to drive when the AE86 was being produced, and most likely have no connection to that car whatsoever. (Source,http://www.edmunds.com/industry-center/analysis/drive-by-numbers-scion-fr-s-vs-subaru-brz.html)
Again, im talking about commercial/financial/engineering viability of a turbocharged FRS/BRZ from the factory, not deformed dicks which is somehow where you took the discussion
dizzariot
09-21-2016, 07:35 AM
I said that objectively it would have made financial sense to design the BRZ from the get-go to utilize the proven powerful Subaru turbo engine. Dont consider the Sprinter in this conversation as the 80's are very different from the era we live in of downsizing and turbocharging emerging as the be-all-end-all of efficient gasoline engines.
I dont understand why you jump straight to flaming when I'm trying to bring up a completely outside objective standpoint which considers the non-detrimental financial implications of designing the frs/brz around a turbocharged engine. In an era when Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi, and even Ferrari (aka legendary manufacturers known for their naturally aspirated engines) are turning to turbocharging as a means of making their PERFORMANCE CARS viable for the modern world in terms of requirements regarding efficiency and the ever-increasing power expectations of the enthusiast crowd, well-heeled or not.
I merely respond to the argument in this thread specifically regarding the claims that the BRZ/FRS is lacking in power, and how it would have been a much better idea for the joint venture to create a car with a turbocharged engine.
Nobody is dick riding anything. Im not even a subaru fan, I personally couldnt give less of a shit about their turbo engines, hence why im on a nissan forum instead of clubwrx or nasioc. The point you made about the whole '86 revival' didnt really make sense from Toyota's standpoint either as the members of the market that ended up buying the FRS, at least in the US, werent even old enough to drive when the AE86 was being produced, and most likely have no connection to that car whatsoever. (Source,http://www.edmunds.com/industry-center/analysis/drive-by-numbers-scion-fr-s-vs-subaru-brz.html)
Again, im talking about commercial/financial/engineering viability of a turbocharged FRS/BRZ from the factory, not deformed dicks which is somehow where you took the discussion
You're too smart for this forum. Are you collegekid with a different username?
Ohhhhh so the turbo'd Boxer they use in the WRX is a direct fit? Wasn't aware *sarcasm* and research/development of a new (turbo) motor and subsequently pushing back the release date was monetarily inexpensive? **more sarcasm* In all seriousness the chassis may have been more important here...hence the 'new' engine. I'm playing Devil's Advocate. The engine may not have allowed for the balance the designers were seeking.
Again, going back to '86 revival, isn't it possible that Toyota (turbo in everything nowadays ***even mo' sarcasm) ACTUALLY birthed an idea for the 'driver' for once? Tatsuya Tada seems like a genuine guy. Maybe I, like Fox Mulder, just want to believe.
EDIT: what the actually fuck was I supposed to get from your shitty link? The FRS out-sold the BRZ even though Miss Jessica Caldwell said Subaru has fewer dealerships. What the fuck was that bullshit about gender composition? Seems like a fluff piece. The article also said more people trade in the FRS and keep the BRZ. If you want to spend $3000 more for some HIDs, in-dash navigation, and some different (material) seats then you're still kind of missing the point. Kind of like leather seats in a 240SX.
Look, buddy, we're getting into semantics. Your 'research' is largely based on opinion. You think it isn't...but it is. I could tell you Mel Gibson is a great presidential candidate compared to the two we have now. I could use facts but at the end of the day it's still my opinion.
driftsucky
09-21-2016, 07:44 AM
...so when you said 'restrictive market' I thought you meant Japan lol. That's my bad.
By your logic, won't Nissan have enough room for a 'performance car' with all of the MPG-oriented bullshit in the states?
Well, it's gotta make sense to do. I honestly don't know if FRS/BRZ sales have been enough here for them to warrant a needed competitor. I don't think they see the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger as viable competition to anything they offer.
The ZN6 is really the only of it's type...as far as imports are concerned. The Genesis coupe has moved to a V6 now and that was barely competition to begin with.
Nissan has got to see a purpose in building a lightweight, well balanced, reasonably affordable sports coupe. The Altima coupe really should've been the one to bring things back. Visually, it was on par with their styling at the time. Pricing made it just as affordable as it's 4 door brotheren. It just had the wrong drive-train in there. And I don't know if anyone has driven the Juke-R, but that drives like how a turbo 4 should. It honestly feels beautiful. If they take that motor/tranny, wrap it in that concept skin, make it RWD, and they will "kill the game" as the kids say. Hopefully they'll find a reason to do it. But, the parts are there.
dizzariot
09-21-2016, 07:56 AM
Well, it's gotta make sense to do. I honestly don't know if FRS/BRZ sales have been enough here for them to warrant a needed competitor. I don't think they see the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger as viable competition to anything they offer.
The ZN6 is really the only of it's type...as far as imports are concerned. The Genesis coupe has moved to a V6 now and that was barely competition to begin with.
Nissan has got to see a purpose in building a lightweight, well balanced, reasonably affordable sports coupe. The Altima coupe really should've been the one to bring things back. Visually, it was on par with their styling at the time. Pricing made it just as affordable as it's 4 door brotheren. It just had the wrong drive-train in there. And I don't know if anyone has driven the Juke-R, but that drives like how a turbo 4 should. It honestly feels beautiful. If they take that motor/tranny, wrap it in that concept skin, make it RWD, and they will "kill the game" as the kids say. Hopefully they'll find a reason to do it. But, the parts are there.
The ZN6 chassis is seeing a decline in sales but only because they were sold so quickly when they first came out EDIT* AND because Subaru/Toyota keep dicking around with the stupid fucking limited editions and 'new' variants. No one is denying that. That's just my opinion.
Nissan has had time to see the car's success, figure out why it's lacking now, and I'd assume they know what a competitor would need.
I wholeheartedly disagree with that nonsensical bullshit about the Altima coupe, though. Shit was ugly. I'm so pessimistic in my life that the one thing I choose to be optimistic about is this:
Nissan sees the FRS/BRZ's success and acknowledges the downfalls as well. They pushed out the iDX concept and came close to production. They're obviously still talking about that specific chassis nowadays. The FRS/BRZ just got their first TRUE refresh. Now is the time to plan a strike...and give their new car a competitive edge while offering the market what they want: turbo. Kids will drop the ZN6.
d9m13n
09-21-2016, 08:05 AM
You're too smart for this forum. Are you collegekid with a different username?
Ohhhhh so the turbo'd Boxer they use in the WRX is a direct fit? Wasn't aware *sarcasm* and research/development of a new (turbo) motor and subsequently pushing back the release date was monetarily inexpensive? **more sarcasm* In all seriousness the chassis may have been more important here...hence the 'new' engine. I'm playing Devil's Advocate. The engine may not have allowed for the balance the designers were seeking.
Again, going back to '86 revival, isn't it possible that Toyota (turbo in everything nowadays ***even mo' sarcasm) ACTUALLY birthed an idea for the 'driver' for once? Tatsuya Tada seems like a genuine guy. Maybe I, like Fox Mulder, just want to believe.
EDIT: what the actually fuck was I supposed to get from your shitty link? The FRS out-sold the BRZ even though Miss Jessica Caldwell said Subaru has fewer dealerships. What the fuck was that bullshit about gender composition? Seems like a fluff piece. The article also said more people trade in the FRS and keep the BRZ. If you want to spend $3000 more for some HIDs, in-dash navigation, and some different (material) seats then you're still kind of missing the point. Kind of like leather seats in a 240SX.
Look, buddy, we're getting into semantics. Your 'research' is largely based on opinion. You think it isn't...but it is. I could tell you Mel Gibson is a great presidential candidate compared to the two we have now. I could use facts but at the end of the day it's still my opinion.
The link was supposed to refer to the age groups of buyers, not gender distribution or whatever else. You seem to miss my whole argument which was saying that in my opinion it was pretty stupid for them not to design the car around the engine in the first place when n/a is on its way out and turbocharging now has so many economical advantages anyways, but I wont reiterate my whole argument from my last two posts.
Yes i admit there are holes in my argument, but this is a nissan forum not a scholarly journal, so whatever.
dizzariot
09-21-2016, 08:21 AM
The link was supposed to refer to the age groups of buyers, not gender distribution or whatever else. You seem to miss my whole argument which was saying that in my opinion it was pretty stupid for them not to design the car around the engine in the first place when n/a is on its way out and turbocharging now has so many economical advantages anyways, but I wont reiterate my whole argument from my last two posts.
Yes i admit there are holes in my argument, but this is a nissan forum not a scholarly journal, so whatever.
Dude you're a fucking idiot lol. I'm acknowledging your shitty argument.
It's your shitty opinion. Ever heard of trends? Just because turbo is on everyone's 'Hot-In-The-Summer' list doesn't mean everyone has to whip their dicks out and start circle-jerking.
Your argument further implicates your stance on new, refreshing ideas for the manufacturer. Something like this:
"Hey, pardner. We gots ta make tha new Niss-ern Silvia. Wut motor u reckon we use?
"Ah shit, buckaroo. No use thinkin' up sumthin' new and out-of-tha-norm. Juss throw that thar Nissan Frontier motor in it. Fuggit."
:picardfp:
d9m13n
09-21-2016, 08:33 AM
Dude you're a fucking idiot lol. I'm acknowledging your shitty argument.
It's your shitty opinion. Ever heard of trends? Just because turbo is on everyone's 'Hot-In-The-Summer' list doesn't mean everyone has to whip their dicks out and start circle-jerking.
Your argument further implicates your stance on new, refreshing ideas for the manufacturer. Something like this:
"Hey, pardner. We gots ta make tha new Niss-ern Silvia. Wut motor u reckon we use?
"Ah shit, buckaroo. No use thinkin' up sumthin' new and out-of-tha-norm. Juss throw that thar Nissan Frontier motor in it. Fuggit."
:picardfp:
Youre hardly acknowledging shit, youre just flaming pretty wildly and talking a lot of shit. Turbochargers arent fucking 'hot in the summer' or whatever youre talking about, its a way to keep ICE's around and relevant for as long as possible until electrification or whatever else becomes the norm.
Turbocharging has been around in cars since the fucking 60's and is a proven way to increase fuel economy, decrease emissions, and increase power/torque. I dont see why you think its a trend when its essentially keeping modern performance engines alive. The BRZ/FRS is a modern performance car, all I'm trying to say is it could easily have come with a modern performance engine and made everyone happy. It was a missed opportunity in my eyes.
Your example makes no sense. Putting an n/a engine in an affordable, low displacement performance car is anything but a new, refreshing idea.
Also i doubt Nissan engineers have southern accents.
driftsucky
09-21-2016, 08:35 AM
Dude you're a fucking idiot lol. I'm acknowledging your shitty argument.
It's your shitty opinion. Ever heard of trends? Just because turbo is on everyone's 'Hot-In-The-Summer' list doesn't mean everyone has to whip their dicks out and start circle-jerking.
Your argument further implicates your stance on new, refreshing ideas for the manufacturer. Something like this:
"Hey, pardner. We gots ta make tha new Niss-ern Silvia. Wut motor u reckon we use?
"Ah shit, buckaroo. No use thinkin' up sumthin' new and out-of-tha-norm. Juss throw that thar Nissan Frontier motor in it. Fuggit."
:picardfp:
As hilarious as that was to read, new ideas cost money. If it cost money, they need it to make money. As much as we love SR20DET motors, KA's are what made business ladies buy the 240 and that's why it was around as long as it was. We didn't buy them. Business ladies in pants suits with short hair bought the shit outta 240's. As long as the A/C worked, they looked cute and didn't have to drive a Mustang. It was a good time for them. lol
AllThingsGravy
09-21-2016, 08:38 AM
By the time a new Nissan sports coupe that's rwd comes out I'll be older and in a better position to by it so I guess there's no rush. Unless they never make one and keep making the 370 and altima... what a horrible thought
Edit: I can't wait for the 2025 Nissan 370z with new self cooling cup holders and built in nipple massagers!!
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SupaDoopa
09-21-2016, 09:51 AM
Kind of hard to make waves with a concept that looks like an Altima coupe with a Dodge Avenger rear fender line and Lexus IS250 tail lights. Cool, innovative.
EDIT: I'm actually not even sure why half of you even give a shit. You can barely afford to keep a rotted out KA 240 running. Why the fuck do you care what the next generation looks like? Your credit probably sucks and you couldn't afford to finance a ship in a bottle.
driftsucky
09-21-2016, 10:13 AM
Kind of hard to make waves with a concept that looks like an Altima coupe with a Dodge Avenger rear fender line and Lexus IS250 tail lights. Cool, innovative.
EDIT: I'm actually not even sure why half of you even give a shit. You can barely afford to keep a rotted out KA 240 running. Why the fuck do you care what the next generation looks like? Your credit probably sucks and you couldn't afford to finance bubble gum.
fixed it for ya. Bottle ships are actually kinda pricey if you collect'em.
SupaDoopa
09-21-2016, 10:17 AM
fixed it for ya. Bottle ships are actually kinda pricey if you collect'em.
Their excuse: I'll wait for them to be 20 years old so I can try to find one with damage and MAYBE I can low ball the dude enough to possibly buy one or whatever.
Meanwhile, they're out there sliding in a car with no frame, ISIS arms with the bearings flying out of them and craigslist backyard AERO made out of bird shit and grass clippings.
spooled240
09-21-2016, 10:23 AM
I should test drive an FR-S and see what it feels like to have 150 ft-lbs of tq under the hood of a 2800lb car...oh wait..
STEEZxIT
09-21-2016, 10:25 AM
that idx-II rendering is willy ugly
it's nice that they're even thinking about it though.
ships in bottles are very expensive. do you know how hard it is to find tiny employees, let alone willing to work in confined spaces?
derass
09-21-2016, 10:28 AM
Thank goodness that there are actually car guys that work at these companies. Hence, the Z, the Hellcats, the Z06's, the GTR's, etc. But, these cars are not breadwinners.
Case in point: the Viper is going out of production. Again.
The ONLY time you notice its power, or lack thereof, is if you're on a straight patch of highway...
But I would argue this is the situation drivers find themselves in most of the time: passing someone, merging, taking off from a light etc. Not on the track or in the mountains. A bump in power from turbo would make the car enjoyable more of the time, rather than just when going through corners.
driftsucky
09-21-2016, 10:59 AM
Case in point: the Viper is going out of production. Again.
But I would argue this is the situation drivers find themselves in most of the time: passing someone, merging, taking off from a light etc...
And in THOSE situations, the car is fine. There's an "and" after that straight patch of highway.
... and that douche in the Penstar V6 Challenger with ridiculous stripes and fake badges on it, tries you. That is the ONLY time you notice it's "low power". And you and that guy have different work schedules and the only time you take the highway route home is when you wanna pick up some Chipotle cuz the one in College Town has those hot chicks working there and they always give you large portions. So, you're not gonna run into him that often.
SupaDoopa
09-21-2016, 11:09 AM
Let's just end this on page 4: if it's released, it'll look like foreskin that's been slowly roasted and then painted green. 0/10. Would not buy.
dizzariot
09-21-2016, 05:33 PM
I should test drive an FR-S and see what it feels like to have 150 ft-lbs of tq under the hood of a non-20something-yeard-old, 2800lb car...oh wait..
...but whatever.
You guys are tripping over the render and you sound like a bunch of spoiled assholes. The point is it's still being discussed. MY point is that I was happy with the FRS, so if Nissan shits out their version of it and it looks good I can probably be happy with that as well. The render I posted is alright, but pays little homage to the old s-chassis cars.
dorkidori_s13
09-21-2016, 06:12 PM
all im gonna say...
1992 S13 Silvia Ks w/SR20det - low 14s in 1/4 mile stock
2016 FRS w/whatevertheboxermotorcodeis - low 15s in 1/4 mile stock (maybe high 14s if catching a tail wind and its a full moon on a tuesday night after you dropped a deuce)
sorry (but not sorry), the FRS/BRZ SHOULD be posting high to mid 13s. funny how easily the Ford Mustang Ecoboost pulls it off, and that car is roughly 700-800lbs heavier? again, its 2016... i dont give 2 shits how a car "handles", in modern times people want a sports car that actually has balls! $28,000~ for a car that "handles" is far from justifiable anymore!!!
I got two ideas
1) The car "enthusiast" car is dead. A two door, boosted sub 300hp will never ever be coming back. Its not logical today with epa and bunch of corporate safety/environment getting in the way. In all honesty, I think gas power will be dead in the next 20 years. Shit look how much has changed from cars in the 90s till now. The model 3 will be coming out soon and for 35k I would buy one in a heart beat. Everyone going to be on this next electric/autonomous car hype train.
The car community in the grand skeem of things is massive but as for as to normal people no ones care about us or cars. The majority cant tell there head from there ass and simply dont need a car other than to just drive to work to pay there bills and pick up food. The fad of cars that we have now will go down and people will move on to some other pretentious bragging hype in the next 2-3 years.
I think we will have big issues in the next 50 years in the car world as far as "running" out of cars since we can see how most car companies barely have 5 cars in there line up with different trims. Basically all the companies will follow with these tier of cars.
1)Basic 4 door, point A to B car, 4 cylinder eco getting 30-50mpg
2)Less basic 4 door basically same body styling but better interior, less plastic, better amenities.
3)Suv/mini van, bigger engine but same shit tier quality as 1 but "more room" for family activities and 3+ brats
4)Mid life criss or teenage angst "sports" car, will be mix of quality but still cheap, obvious handle better than fwd bubble car, most likely NA around 200 and will have a higher sports "sportier" trim just under 300 with better seats and breaks you wont ever fully use the potential of.
5) The I made it big time car, will cost 5x price of your level 1 car, probably best you get out of features and amenities still pretty meh, not luxury but okay. Will be 400-600hp depending on if it weights like a boat of a muscle car or just a chubby comfy Japanese car.
There you have it for probably the next 20 years till we get autonomous cars, start WW3, or next coming of christ.
Best save your pre 2000s car boys because this is about all we will have/get. I dont think the 86 and z plateforms will get hit the same as 240s simply because the fad will die down. Most people who I know who try get into cars because of the hype and those who get into modifying quickly drop it because of the money and effort that goes behind those 100k likes pages of a slammed bugeye or bagged GTI.
2) My second point is if nissan where to come up with another car it will follow the STI/Ford RS hype and put out a hatch or bloaty AWD(basically fwd) boosted ugly looking altima/juke mut with Mitsubishi powerplant. This will go for the younger generation and the 370 or next z will be pushed for the older guys. I see it now already, most dudes with a nismo 370 or just a 370 are guys in there 35-50s but thats all anecdotal I could be wrong.
dizzariot
09-21-2016, 07:11 PM
all im gonna say...
1992 S13 Silvia Ks w/SR20det - low 14s in 1/4 mile stock
2016 FRS w/whatevertheboxermotorcodeis - low 15s in 1/4 mile stock (maybe high 14s if catching a tail wind and its a full moon on a tuesday night after you dropped a deuce)
sorry (but not sorry), the FRS/BRZ SHOULD be posting high to mid 13s. funny how easily the Ford Mustang Ecoboost pulls it off, and that car is roughly 700-800lbs heavier? again, its 2016... i dont give 2 shits how a car "handles", in modern times people want a sports car that actually has balls! $28,000~ for a car that "handles" is far from justifiable anymore!!!
Holy fuck. Are you Corbic? Something about motors and their sizes relative to chassis.
...grand skeem...I'm from FL...iRobot cars...
Tesla is the way to go, unironically my cousin works at a branch in a pretty upitty area and they are selling like crazy. I see more model x/s driving around from the projects to rich areas than I do seeing any ferriars, lambos or porches. I see an s-chassis randomly if I dont know the person maybe once every 3 months.
These robot cars will trickle down and youll see when the model 3 comes out where just about any average joe can get everyone will make the switch. All manufactures will follow and then we will see in 50 years gas power engines will be marketing/gimmick thing. Tesla's services beat any type of warranty, cars look sick, and laughable amount of power. No brainier...
dorkidori_s13
09-21-2016, 10:00 PM
Holy fuck. Are you Corbic? Something about motors and their sizes relative to chassis.
remember when honda made 100+hp per liter? oh and when Nissan slapped a turbo on everything? even on another turbo!
Pepperidge Farms remembers!
SupaDoopa
09-22-2016, 05:45 AM
remember when honda made 100+hp per liter? oh and when Nissan slapped a turbo on everything? even on another turbo!
Pepperidge Farms remembers!
I mean, I remember when the GT-R makes more than that.
Do you remember when the S2000 had a sticker price of almost $35,000? I do. I went to the Mitsubishi dealership and got a EVO X instead.
Those statements are irrelevant. We're talking about the Nissan answer to the FR-S/BR-Z. You know what Nissan's answer is? We've had something like that forever in the Z chassis. Is it comparable? Kind of. Is it a S-chassis? No. Would you buy an S16 if it were a plastic piece of shit like the FR-S/BR-Z? Probably not because that requires money and if you were on the hype train, you would own [or least fucking driven] an FR-S/BR-Z.
The little unsung fact of this: How the fuck are you saying it needs more power if you haven't even driven it but you think a KAE S13 is cool? What are you people drinking? Is the water brown and muddy?
Croustibat
09-22-2016, 06:16 AM
I've seen Nissan actively testing the limits of smaller turbo engines. If we get anything, I suspect it'll be a smaller chassis similar to a Miata.
I am all for a new sunny gti-r ...
SupaDoopa
09-22-2016, 06:46 AM
I am all for a new sunny gti-r ...
That's not exactly a RWD 2-door coupe driftmobile 'sports car.'
driftsucky
09-22-2016, 08:00 AM
remember when honda made 100+hp per liter? oh and when Nissan slapped a turbo on everything? even on another turbo!
Pepperidge Farms remembers!
http://24.media.tumblr.com/db99c0b47bdadfc130fac5c399d9f263/tumblr_ms1gjlz1Pc1ru3zogo1_250.gif
https://azatty.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/conan-up-high-five.gif
Legitimately laughed out loud.
The car "enthusiast" car is dead. A two door, boosted sub 300hp will never ever be coming back... He said not realizing that the Ford Mustang Ecoboost is EXACTLY that simply by using 87 octane gasoline and has been out for 2 years being EXACTLY that and that the Camaro is that on 93 octane gasoline (275hp) and both cars, while based in muscle, have been given the ability to turn and turn well.
But, this isn't a "what cars already exist that fill that gap but we won't buy them" thread. This is the "talk shit about this car we have never driven and speculate what Nissan will MAYBE do at some point MAYBE" thread. So continue.
SupaDoopa
09-22-2016, 09:29 AM
Sounds like a ton of you are Mustang 4-banger fans. You should probably join their forum and suck eachother off with all your DC and Monster Energy apparel. The car is slower than death, weighs a fuck ton and looks gayer than a high school theater teacher.
dorkidori_s13
09-22-2016, 10:32 AM
Sounds like a ton of you are Mustang 4-banger fans. You should probably join their forum and suck eachother off with all your DC and Monster Energy apparel. The car is slower than death, weighs a fuck ton and looks gayer than a high school theater teacher.
no one gives 2 fucks about what you have to say... jesus christ on a bike, youre worse than herpes.
if you dont like the thread, leave... simple as that.
AllThingsGravy
09-22-2016, 10:34 AM
It will happen eventually just wait
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driftsucky
09-22-2016, 11:02 AM
Sounds like a ton of you are Mustang 4-banger fans. You should probably join their forum and suck eachother off with all your DC and Monster Energy apparel. The car is slower than death, weighs a fuck ton and looks gayer than a high school theater teacher.
He said never having driven any of the cars he talks shit about.
Being a fan would probably involve endorsing something. In this situation, I'm simply saying something exist. Perhaps if you stopped thinking up gay jokes that probably double as your own fantasies, and utilize the comprehension skills that your 3rd grade teacher taught you in between "checking for scoliosis" and "unpacking your lunch", you'd realize that.
On second thought, keep the gay jokes. They're amusing. And I feel like I can do better as a retort.
dorkidori_s13
09-22-2016, 11:17 AM
ive driven the ecoboost mustang, drove pretty much like an s-chassis... felt like an SR boosted around 14psi on a T28. they run a low 14s in the quarter mile stock (mid 13s with a ROM tune) and compared to the FRS/BRZ, are a MUCH better value.
havent driven an FRS/BRZ, but i have done a few random stop light drags with them and i can tell you flat out, they are slower than piss from a dig! my current setup is NOT fast at all (im guessing mid to low 14s on a stock ECU and 12psi on an S15 specR turbo). also have run a few from a roll... they have NO balls past 2nd gear, NONE!!! i pulled one in 3rd gear like it was standing still. dont give 2 shits about handling given ANY car can be made to handle very easily with some minor suspension upgrades.
FRS/BRZ NEED more power... period! 200hp and 150lbs of torque is cute for like a base N/A model, but there is NO reason not to offer a top end model with a turbo that makes like 240-260hp and 200+lbs of torque. its just the Japanese being stubborn and refusing to let go of old ways.
SupaDoopa
09-22-2016, 01:39 PM
no one gives 2 fucks about what you have to say... jesus christ on a bike, youre worse than herpes.
if you dont like the thread, leave... simple as that.
Don't you have shirts to draw up or some body kits to knock off? Getting all pissed off because people are telling you that you're not really that important is girl shit. Grow up.
ive driven the ecoboost mustang, drove pretty much like an s-chassis... felt like an SR boosted around 14psi on a T28. they run a low 14s in the quarter mile stock (mid 13s with a ROM tune) and compared to the FRS/BRZ, are a MUCH better value.
havent driven an FRS/BRZ, but i have done a few random stop light drags with them and i can tell you flat out, they are slower than piss from a dig! my current setup is NOT fast at all (im guessing mid to low 14s on a stock ECU and 12psi on an S15 specR turbo). also have run a few from a roll... they have NO balls past 2nd gear, NONE!!! i pulled one in 3rd gear like it was standing still. dont give 2 shits about handling given ANY car can be made to handle very easily with some minor suspension upgrades.
FRS/BRZ NEED more power... period! 200hp and 150lbs of torque is cute for like a base N/A model, but there is NO reason not to offer a top end model with a turbo that makes like 240-260hp and 200+lbs of torque. its just the Japanese being stubborn and refusing to let go of old ways.
Didn't realize you were looking for a drag car. Maybe you should have talked to someone - I dunno - maybe that built a drag car? You're comparing a swapped car to something stock and you want it to be on par if not better than that?
Do you not know how stringent EPA laws are now? Do you know shit about SMOG laws? Do you know what the average person uses a car for? They don't give a shit if it SPOOLZ RLY HARD WITH MUCH POWER! They give a shit that get don't have to fill the shit with Arab oil for $4.00 a gallon while they travel to and from their overnight McDonalds shifts and vape shops. People don't spend money the same way they used to. Period. I guarantee you will sit here and get ass hurt they aren't building something cool but the second they do, you walk in the dealership and low ball the living shit out of them assuming they have like $10,000 markup.
Get real.
dorkidori_s13
09-22-2016, 01:49 PM
Get real.
Get knotted.
digbyburrows
09-22-2016, 02:13 PM
Bring back the SR!
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dorkidori_s13
09-22-2016, 02:21 PM
oh lord... not another one
AllThingsGravy
09-22-2016, 03:12 PM
Oh my goodness cotton
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AllThingsGravy
09-23-2016, 12:49 AM
What do you guys think about the Lexus rc f besides the price?
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dorkidori_s13
09-23-2016, 01:04 AM
needs a 3rd pedal :(
lunchmeat
09-23-2016, 01:48 AM
Too much front grill. Other than that, I'd drive it. Don't care about stick shifts anymore. Got a busted ass, arthritic left knee that's just getting worse with age.
d9m13n
09-23-2016, 05:51 AM
4000 pounds seems a bit much for the power, but it seems like it would be a great gt car provided they tuned the suspension more for that than lap times. Also you could have a ton of fun with an 8000 rpm redline v8 :hsdance:
Lease deals at 400$ or so a month and used ones near 50k seem like a great deal too
tlieberman240
09-23-2016, 01:27 PM
Figured I'd jump on some of these comments as somebody who's owned/drifted/built both:
all im gonna say...1992 S13 Silvia Ks w/SR20det - low 14s in 1/4 mile stock
2016 FRS w/whatevertheboxermotorcodeis - low 15s in 1/4 mile stock (maybe high 14s if catching a tail wind and its a full moon on a tuesday night after you dropped a deuce)
The weak link is the tires. Changing to something that doesn't come on a prius gets the mid-high 14 second runs that one would expect. Car could definitely use more mid range torque, too.
sorry (but not sorry), the FRS/BRZ SHOULD be posting high to mid 13s. funny how easily the Ford Mustang Ecoboost pulls it off, and that car is roughly 700-800lbs heavier? again, its 2016... i dont give 2 shits how a car "handles", in modern times people want a sports car that actually has balls! $28,000~ for a car that "handles" is far from justifiable anymore!!!
Mustang does it because of 110hp and 120tq more. Not exactly a surprise. Yes the car is heavier, but it can pull the weight much better because of that torque. Not to mention less gear changes.
remember when honda made 100+hp per liter? oh and when Nissan slapped a turbo on everything? even on another turbo!
Pepperidge Farms remembers!
FRS/BRZ FA20 is 2 Liter and makes 200hp. 100hp/liter NA still exists.
ive driven the ecoboost mustang, drove pretty much like an s-chassis... felt like an SR boosted around 14psi on a T28. they run a low 14s in the quarter mile stock (mid 13s with a ROM tune) and compared to the FRS/BRZ, are a MUCH better value.
The new Ecoboost mustang is damn good value for money. Car is still just too heavy for my personal preference. 3,500lbs for a modern sedan, I get it. 3,500lbs for a coupe, though? A bit too much for my liking. That's all subjective though.
havent driven an FRS/BRZ, but i have done a few random stop light drags with them and i can tell you flat out, they are slower than piss from a dig!
So you haven't driven one? Ok; I can tell you they feel extremely similar to an S chassis in terms of dynamics. Straight line acceleration isn't the same, but everything else is quite similar in a lot of aspects.
my current setup is NOT fast at all (im guessing mid to low 14s on a stock ECU and 12psi on an S15 specR turbo). also have run a few from a roll... they have NO balls past 2nd gear, NONE!!!
Could be the driver. The FRS/BRZ is pretty gutless, but a large group of people that own those cars are pretty clueless about driving.
i pulled one in 3rd gear like it was standing still. dont give 2 shits about handling given ANY car can be made to handle very easily with some minor suspension upgrades.
Any car can be made to drive faster in a straight line with some minor bolt-ons.
FRS/BRZ NEED more power... period!
Disagree. The people that say these cars need more power are the same people who get lapped at the track by stock FRS and Miatas. The issue isn't the power, it's the torque. Right in the midrange, the cars have a massive torque dip (like 15%) and it kills the acceleration. Headers + tune get rid of that and make the car feel so much better.
I managed to run tandem with 300+whp SR cars in a stock FRS with nothing more than coilovers and a muffler delete. Couldn't run as much angle or as wide of a line, but I had no problem keeping the wheels spinning and keeping up.
200hp and 150lbs of torque is cute for like a base N/A model, but there is NO reason not to offer a top end model with a turbo that makes like 240-260hp and 200+lbs of torque. its just the Japanese being stubborn and refusing to let go of old ways.
I can agree with this. 200hp N/A is nice for those who choose it, but I think it would be great to have a slightly more powerful option available to those who want it. Even if it was turbocharged and still only made 220hp, I'd be all for it - because pulling some extra power out of it would be so easy.
LockOn!
09-23-2016, 01:57 PM
^^^
If it was turbocharged I would have pulled the trigger when they first came out.
My roommate at the time picked up a BRZ a few months after release, I drove it once and decided instead on an 07 350z. I liked everything about the BRZ better, except the power.
I just couldn't justify making payments on a car that I almost certainly would have FI'd while it was still under warranty. There's just no way I would chance voiding a warranty and fucking up an engine on a car that I don't own free and clear.
If this had a turbo from the factory, I 100% would have purchased, not a doubt in my mind.
Instead, I'm just waiting for them to get below 10K to pick up as a toy and add some FI too. Probably not the worst idea anyway, nothings a bigger waste of money than a car brand new right off the lot.
SupaDoopa
09-23-2016, 02:40 PM
^^^
If it was turbocharged I would have pulled the trigger when they first came out.
My roommate at the time picked up a BRZ a few months after release, I drove it once and decided instead on an 07 350z. I liked everything about the BRZ better, except the power.
I just couldn't justify making payments on a car that I almost certainly would have FI'd while it was still under warranty. There's just no way I would chance voiding a warranty and fucking up an engine on a car that I don't own free and clear.
If this had a turbo from the factory, I 100% would have purchased, not a doubt in my mind.
Instead, I'm just waiting for them to get below 10K to pick up as a toy and add some FI too. Probably not the worst idea anyway, nothings a bigger waste of money than a car brand new right off the lot.
If it was boosted, it would have been a lot more. In your brain, you would have had to justify the sticker price for getting the same exact car but with a turbo on it. I wouldn't be able to do it. Too many better cars in that range and that's probably WHY they didn't.
tlieberman240
09-23-2016, 03:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9YfB9giHLc
^This is headers + tune, knuckles, stance coilovers with 8k/9k springs, and LCAs. Maybe 190whp
I had the same setup, and the car was reliable, easy to drive, and loads of fun. Nearly 20k miles with cross country driving and lots of seat time, and the car never broke. Tore a CV boot from a tire exploding, but that's it.
LockOn!
09-23-2016, 03:58 PM
If it was boosted, it would have been a lot more. In your brain, you would have had to justify the sticker price for getting the same exact car but with a turbo on it. I wouldn't be able to do it. Too many better cars in that range and that's probably WHY they didn't.
Idk, id probably go up to $30K or a wee bit more for a boosted one. But now that Ford has the ecoboost out for $25K, it would sure make them look silly.
The thing is I don't care about the other objectively "better" cars. I'm emotionally attached to the concept of a boosted 2+2 rwd coupe. I don't care if a WRX is faster, or if a Camero corners better for the same money. They don't follow the formula I'm looking for, they are not what I "want".
Rather then "better" cars for the money, are there any cars that do follow the formula? The only thing else that was available around the time of the 2012 release of the ZN6 in 2+2 RWD configuration would be a BMW 328i which ran at the time $35K and wasn't turbo (although it made 240hp, plenty). There was also the 2+2 G37 coupe, but that came in at $38K. Are there any other 2+2's that I'm missing here?
Really a turbo ZN6 just around or above the $30K mark would have been in a class of its own.....
dudermagee
09-23-2016, 04:05 PM
Idk, id probably go up to 30K for a boosted one. But now that Ford has the ecoboost out for 25K, it would sure make them look silly.
The thing is I don't care about the other objectively "better" cars. I'm emotionally attached to the concept of a boosted 2+2 rwd coupe. I don't care if a WRX is faster, or if a Camero corners better for the same money. They aren't don't follow the formula I'm looking for, they are not what I "want".
$21500 actually
LockOn!
09-23-2016, 04:17 PM
^^^
Deng really? That's some good pricing.
dizzariot
09-23-2016, 07:48 PM
I guess to spell it out simply, as I was on the verge of doing this, I'd rather pay the $800ish on the OFT, pair it with some headers, and call it a day. The alternative in lot of peoples' minds is they'd love to pay ~$35k for a turbo'd version from the dealership.
I'm not rich...but I'm not poor. I could buy a car that costs $40k with a good chunk down and a decent monthly payment. Knowing what we know about the ZN6 now I'd have to bet that if you paid the extra $$$ for a dealership version you'd be pissed at yourself.
In summation: extra money at dealership for OEM, turbo'd version? Or Spend ~$1500 and get an OFT/header combo?
SupaDoopa
09-24-2016, 02:00 AM
Idk, id probably go up to $30K or a wee bit more for a boosted one. But now that Ford has the ecoboost out for $25K, it would sure make them look silly.
The thing is I don't care about the other objectively "better" cars. I'm emotionally attached to the concept of a boosted 2+2 rwd coupe. I don't care if a WRX is faster, or if a Camero corners better for the same money. They don't follow the formula I'm looking for, they are not what I "want".
Rather then "better" cars for the money, are there any cars that do follow the formula? The only thing else that was available around the time of the 2012 release of the ZN6 in 2+2 RWD configuration would be a BMW 328i which ran at the time $35K and wasn't turbo (although it made 240hp, plenty). There was also the 2+2 G37 coupe, but that came in at $38K. Are there any other 2+2's that I'm missing here?
Really a turbo ZN6 just around or above the $30K mark would have been in a class of its own.....
Having your own wants and needs as well as a reasonable price cap is fine; I respect that. On the flip side, how many others agree? The manufacture looks at one thing - how much demand is there essentially translating to how much can we profit? Not many people will think a $30K Japanese Scion/Subaru RWD toy makes sense especially when we factor everything else. It's just not a winning formula.
markfitz14
09-24-2016, 01:23 PM
I have been wishing for a 240 replacement for years. At least they are thinking about it again.
My wish list. Is something smaller than the 370, FACTORY TURBO
1. 2800lbs
2. lower slung chassis similar to the 240 height
3. 4 cylinder with 300hp -Nismo will have 350-Don't bother making if its not Turboed
4. nice lines, fender flares, nicer rims than the FRS,
5. A solid price would be 30k
collegekid
09-24-2016, 01:25 PM
You're too smart for this forum. Are you collegekid with a different username?
You can travel and look in every corner of the world but you ain't gonna find no one with nuts as sweet as mine boo boo.
tlieberman240
09-24-2016, 02:52 PM
I have been wishing for a 240 replacement for years. At least they are thinking about it again.
My wish list. Is something smaller than the 370, FACTORY TURBO
1. 2800lbs
2. lower slung chassis similar to the 240 height
3. 4 cylinder with 300hp -Nismo will have 350-Don't bother making if its not Turboed
4. nice lines, fender flares, nicer rims than the FRS,
5. A solid price would be 30k
I don't want my car to come with gargabe ass rocket bunny overflanders from the factory.. and why are wheels even a concern? 90% of the people buying them are just going to throw XXRs, MBs, Squares, or Cosmis wheels on it within a week anyways.
Everything you just asked for is present on the FRS/BRZ, except for the turbo. But, you mention a price of 30k. You can pick up a mint, used FRS for 20k even and spend 5k on forced induction and supporting modifications, and you have everything you've wished for here.
dizzariot
09-24-2016, 06:05 PM
You can travel and look in every corner of the world but you ain't gonna find no one with nuts as sweet as mine boo boo.
Ah nailed it. No way this kid just popped up in here. I thought you were dead. I thought the butthurt would've taken you by now.
I have been wishing for a 240 replacement for years. At least they are thinking about it again.
My wish list. Is something smaller than the 370, FACTORY TURBO
1. 2800lbs
2. lower slung chassis similar to the 240 height
3. 4 cylinder with 300hp -Nismo will have 350-Don't bother making if its not Turboed
4. nice lines, fender flares, nicer rims than the FRS,
5. A solid price would be 30k
All this talk about practicality and then this shit. No S-chassis has ever had this much power from the lot. Even the 270R Silvia had...well 270HP. PM Corbic for the Mustang brochure.
I don't want my car to come with gargabe ass rocket bunny overflanders from the factory.. and why are wheels even a concern? 90% of the people buying them are just going to throw XXRs, MBs, Squares, or Cosmis wheels on it within a week anyways.
Everything you just asked for is present on the FRS/BRZ, except for the turbo. But, you mention a price of 30k. You can pick up a mint, used FRS for 20k even and spend 5k on forced induction and supporting modifications, and you have everything you've wished for here.
"...but I want if fwom the factowee!"
Bunch of limp-dick weiners out here. I do agree with him on the OEM wheel thing, though. Nicer OEM wheels/tires would've been a plus on a fucking brand new car.
spooled240
09-24-2016, 09:14 PM
Everything you just asked for is present on the FRS/BRZ, except for the turbo. But, you mention a price of 30k. You can pick up a mint, used FRS for 20k even and spend 5k on forced induction and supporting modifications, and you have everything you've wished for here.
Well if you're gonna bring up used cars then you're opening a whole new can of worms here. For 20k you could also get used m3's, c5z's, Z's, etc. that also have world class handling way more power in stock form. I already went down the na-t route dealing with reliability and legality issues here in CA and I dont want to do it again.
dudermagee
09-24-2016, 09:47 PM
Well if you're gonna bring up used cars then you're opening a whole new can of worms here. For 20k you could also get used m3's, c5z's, Z's, etc. that also have world class handling way more power in stock form. I already went down the na-t route dealing with reliability and legality issues here in CA and I dont want to do it again.
You can get a 2013 FRS w/around 40K miles for 15k if you look.
Get a carb legal I/E/H and add a Carb legal SC from HKS and you'll be about 20k all in and making around 260whp 215wtq on 93 oct.
markfitz14
09-25-2016, 09:45 PM
I don't want my car to come with gargabe ass rocket bunny overflanders from the factory.. and why are wheels even a concern? 90% of the people buying them are just going to throw XXRs, MBs, Squares, or Cosmis wheels on it within a week anyways.
Everything you just asked for is present on the FRS/BRZ, except for the turbo. But, you mention a price of 30k. You can pick up a mint, used FRS for 20k even and spend 5k on forced induction and supporting modifications, and you have everything you've wished for here.
1. I just meant fenders similar to say the M2. To just flare out a bit. It looks good. Not anything close to rocket bunny style. Those are horrid.
2. I don't want to switch wheels on a car that I am making payments of $350 a month for. At least not for a few years. That would meet my max monthly budget. I would just want some decent looking wheels to start with. The new 86 refresh wheels look good as is. Something at 30k would have to be my Daily Driver. I wouldn't be able to afford much to do to it. I would think most middle class people wouldn't be able to spend much more than $350 a month on a car. So I would think most people would look for these things from a mass stand point.
3. I don't want to turbo a non turbo car. It puts to much stress on the engine. I don't want to have problems with it all the time. I just want something that I could increase the HP easily since it has a turbo. Like add a down pipe and a tune. I can do some bolt ons that's easy. I can't turbo a car. I would have to pay someone 3k to put it in.
4. True that is close to an FR-Z. I'm just wishing for what Nissan to do if they make a lighter car to compete with the FR-Z
markfitz14
09-26-2016, 07:00 AM
Ah nailed it. No way this kid just popped up in here. I thought you were dead. I thought the butthurt would've taken you by now.
All this talk about practicality and then this shit. No S-chassis has ever had this much power from the lot. Even the 270R Silvia had...well 270HP. PM Corbic for the Mustang brochure.
"...but I want if fwom the factowee!"
Bunch of limp-dick weiners out here. I do agree with him on the OEM wheel thing, though. Nicer OEM wheels/tires would've been a plus on a fucking brand new car.
Well an S-Chassis might not have had that kinda power, but it is surely achievable with today's engines. The RS has 350 HP, the AMG A45 has 380 HP both from 4 cylinders. So yeah I think Nissan can build a 4 cylinder with that 300 hp kinda power and then put it in their RWD platform that they develop.
SupaDoopa
09-26-2016, 07:19 AM
Well an S-Chassis might not have had that kinda power, but it is surely achievable with today's engines. The RS has 350 HP, the AMG A45 has 380 HP both from 4 cylinders. So yeah I think Nissan can build a 4 cylinder with that 300 hp kinda power and then put it in their RWD platform that they develop.
It's not that it's impossible, it's just not cost effective. The market has sharply leaned towards gas efficient, low-cost reliable vehicles. An impractical 4-banger turbo RWD car doesn't really fit the bill. If it doesn't at least appeal to everyone, it probably won't see the light of day.
We all wish cool shit to come back and I'm definitely down for an S-chassis revival. Hell, a slightly modernized S15 Spec-R would get my money or even a cooler 510 which that iD was supposed to replicate [I think] but that's geared towards us.
Their best bet is to do something similar to the Lancer; offer a base FWD, a slightly cooler FWD then a bad bitch RWD turbo fully decked out. This way, they can still justify the line and only dedicate a few bodies to the 'cool' line versus producing a ton of only cool guy versions that just sit there and collect dust until they're 20 years old and high school drop outs can afford while working at KFC on the weekends if they don't call out to smoke weed.
lunchmeat
09-26-2016, 07:54 AM
Could Nissan build something like that? Of course. Will they? I'll believe it when I see them on a dealer lot.
driftsucky
09-26-2016, 08:37 AM
So yeah I think Nissan can build a 4 cylinder with that 300 hp kinda power and then put it in their RWD platform that they develop.
It's not that it's impossible, it's just not cost effective. The market has sharply leaned towards gas efficient, low-cost reliable vehicles. An impractical 4-banger turbo RWD car doesn't really fit the bill......
I know. I know.
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/68468272.jpg
Model: 2017 Ford Mustang
Horsepower: 310 hp
MPG: Up to 22 city / 31 highway
MSRP: From $25,920
Engine: 2.3 L 4-cylinder
Curb weight: 3,532 lbs
Torque: 320 lb-ft
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Nissan won't build it because people who have bought similar imports in the past haven't supported their efforts thus far. If you want them to do it, stop being a product sponge and start getting involved.
AllThingsGravy
09-26-2016, 08:42 AM
Model: 2017 Ford Mustang
Horsepower: 310 hp
MPG: Up to 22 city / 31 highway
MSRP: From $25,920
Engine: 2.3 L 4-cylinder
Curb weight: 3,532 lbs
Torque: 320 lb-ft
Nissan won't build it because people who have bought similar imports in the past haven't supported their efforts thus far. If you want them to do it, stop being a product sponge and start getting involved.
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SupaDoopa
09-26-2016, 08:49 AM
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We're saying stop hoping. Go buy a S14 for next to nothing, build it how you want and not worry about a lien. Or import something. Or buy the super cool Mustang that everyone wants to suck off.
I just don't get how you can tell your friends you went to a Ford dealership SPECIFICALLY looking to spend $25,000+ for a 4-banger Mustang. Well, then again, you probably don't have any friends at that low point in your life.
AllThingsGravy
09-26-2016, 08:51 AM
We're saying stop hoping. Go buy a S14 for next to nothing, build it how you want and not worry about a lien. Or import something. Or buy the super cool Mustang that everyone wants to suck off.
I just don't get how you can tell your friends you went to a Ford dealership SPECIFICALLY looking to spend $25,000+ for a 4-banger Mustang. Well, then again, you probably don't have any friends at that low point in your life.
What about the new supra? Can I hope for that to be affordable rwd? :/
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SupaDoopa
09-26-2016, 08:55 AM
What about the new supra? Can I hope for that to be affordable rwd? :/
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No.
msglength
AllThingsGravy
09-26-2016, 08:56 AM
No.
msglength
You're really being a Debbie downer but you're being realistic I guess. Whatever I can wait for whatever nissan has planned for after the Z
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dudermagee
09-26-2016, 09:24 AM
It's not that it's impossible, it's just not cost effective. The market has sharply leaned towards gas efficient, low-cost reliable vehicles. An impractical 4-banger turbo RWD car doesn't really fit the bill. If it doesn't at least appeal to everyone, it probably won't see the light of day.
We all wish cool shit to come back and I'm definitely down for an S-chassis revival. Hell, a slightly modernized S15 Spec-R would get my money or even a cooler 510 which that iD was supposed to replicate [I think] but that's geared towards us.
Their best bet is to do something similar to the Lancer; offer a base FWD, a slightly cooler FWD then a bad bitch RWD turbo fully decked out. This way, they can still justify the line and only dedicate a few bodies to the 'cool' line versus producing a ton of only cool guy versions that just sit there and collect dust until they're 20 years old and high school drop outs can afford while working at KFC on the weekends if they don't call out to smoke weed.
Supposedly the new S2k Will have a turbo 4 that will put down about 300hp/tq.
But it'll probably go for 35-40k :(
SupaDoopa
09-26-2016, 09:40 AM
I'm willing to bet another Z is in the works. Something that'll be a sister car to the Q60 although it traditionally was a G-matched car. It seems like Nissan is putting a lot of steam in the Q60. If it isn't the same chassis, I am willing to bet it'll share that V6-TT.
Regardless of what they conjure up, if they wanted to go all in on the project, we would have known it's name and it's existence by now. Toyota hinted at the GT86 for years and years and then it was put into production. Nissan has remained quiet.
driftsucky
09-26-2016, 09:52 AM
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I just don't get how you can tell your friends you went to a Ford dealership SPECIFICALLY looking to spend $25,000+ for a 4-banger Mustang.
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/318/465/f11.jpg
NOOOOOOOOOO. I would never go buy one. Not as long as a V8 exist. But, you know, for the sake of the whole "there's no turbo 4's that exist ever that are rwd ever in history ever since the 90's" nonsense argument, just wanted to let people know that it does.
dudermagee
09-26-2016, 10:04 AM
I still feel the FRS\BRZ is a good buy due to its low price these days.
It has pretty good oem outside styling, good oem interior styling, a superior suspension setup, a decent engine platform to work with, and plenty of aftermarket support. I think the only gripe I've heard about it is that it is underpowered for the money.
Buying one brand new is just plain dumb (imo) when you can get one that is single owner, less than 50k miles, and clean title for about 15k. I bet it will be even lower if you buy in the middle of winter.
SupaDoopa
09-26-2016, 10:36 AM
Buying anything brand new in my opinion is dumb unless you plan to keep it and get a deal. I wouldn't lease unless I was trying to bury negative equity of another purchase away.
With that being said, I like the FR-S/BR-Z. I think they're a good platform and if you're buying a brand new/lightly used car to modify. There is plenty of aftermarket support for them and easily obtainable.
With that being said, I like the FR-S/BR-Z. I think they're a good platform and if you're buying a brand new/lightly used car to modify. There is plenty of aftermarket support for them and easily obtainable.
So is this why its the new badge of "douche car guy" crowd. Its easy to see that certain cars attract a certain crowd but im sorry but the whole bro-z scene is terrible.
I feel most s-chassis guys are on the middle lower class side of things being you can pick something up for 4-6k and have loads of fun while the 86 is newer and more expensive which attracts the more pretentious kind of wealthy person who played NFS once and following the hype train after seeing H20 and SoWo after movies.
SupaDoopa
09-26-2016, 03:22 PM
So is this why its the new badge of "douche car guy" crowd. Its easy to see that certain cars attract a certain crowd but im sorry but the whole bro-z scene is terrible.
I feel most s-chassis guys are on the middle lower class side of things being you can pick something up for 4-6k and have loads of fun while the 86 is newer and more expensive which attracts the more pretentious kind of wealthy person who played NFS once and following the hype train after seeing H20 and SoWo after movies.
But that comes with any crowd no matter what unfortunately. Everyone hates everyone for whatever reason. Kids with rich parents hate us peasants and vice versa. Honda kids hate Nissan kids vice versa. We all have a group(s) of guys we look at and want to hit with a train. It is what it is.
driftsucky
09-26-2016, 03:33 PM
Buying anything brand new in my opinion is dumb unless you plan to keep it and get a deal. I wouldn't lease unless I was trying to bury negative equity of another purchase away.
With that being said, I like the FR-S/BR-Z. I think they're a good platform and if you're buying a brand new/lightly used car to modify. There is plenty of aftermarket support for them and easily obtainable.
http://static.memrise.com/uploads/profiles/ajokewinks_130301_0432_44.png
This guy gets it
R3B....DON'T YOU EVER CALL SOMEONE WHO FINANCES A SCION "KIND OF WEALTHY"! EVER!!!!!!
R3B....DON'T YOU EVER CALL SOMEONE WHO FINANCES A SCION "KIND OF WEALTHY"! EVER!!!!!!
Most people I see between 16-23 who have them are wealthy. You got to have some major $$$ to be paying 250-300 monthly plus insurance for that. I work part time making 10/hr and put in on average 27-30 hours a week while paying out of pocket/ no aid for school. Granted I could of probably bought one fully by now with the amount of money I put into my hatch but I save religiously and work a second job/tips in the summer for racecar stuff.
Basically 2 weeks of work to pay the car,fuckkk that. No student working part time fiances a car like that without help from mommy and daddy.
dizzariot
09-26-2016, 09:39 PM
Most people I see between 16-23 who have them are wealthy. You got to have some major $$$ to be paying 250-300 monthly plus insurance for that. I work part time making 10/hr and put in on average 27-30 hours a week while paying out of pocket/ no aid for school. Granted I could of probably bought one fully by now with the amount of money I put into my hatch but I save religiously and work a second job/tips in the summer for racecar stuff.
Basically 2 weeks of work to pay the car,fuckkk that. No student working part time fiances a car like that without help from mommy and daddy.
I'm en E4 in the military and I had one. You don't have to rich.
SupaDoopa
09-27-2016, 05:47 AM
Most people I see between 16-23 who have them are wealthy. You got to have some major $$$ to be paying 250-300 monthly plus insurance for that. I work part time making 10/hr and put in on average 27-30 hours a week while paying out of pocket/ no aid for school. Granted I could of probably bought one fully by now with the amount of money I put into my hatch but I save religiously and work a second job/tips in the summer for racecar stuff.
Basically 2 weeks of work to pay the car,fuckkk that. No student working part time fiances a car like that without help from mommy and daddy.
Not for nothing, but if you made 11 bucks an hour which is around the average and work 30 hours, that's 330 before taxes. That's your car note and taxes once it's all said and done depending if you were a stupid kid and destroyed your credit. Part of your next paycheck will be insurance and the other part is put away. That gives you 2.5 checks on average to put away. That's probably like 800 before taxes.
You don't have to be rich. You just have to budget and not blow your money on pizzas and video games. Anyone in theory can afford it. It's whether or not you're willing to invest your time and money to it.
spooled240
09-27-2016, 08:24 AM
That would work out if you lived at home and had nothing else to pay for. Plus, I thought these cars were more in the $500 a month range?
LockOn!
09-27-2016, 08:28 AM
On the flip side, how many others agree? The manufacture looks at one thing - how much demand is there essentially translating to how much can we profit?
Hold the presses guys, topic over. The answer is the handful of assholes in this thread and no one else.
Everyone hop on the CVT do everything poorly Nissan Nismo Juke GT electro boost hybrid bandwagon. It's all we have to look forward to anyway, better get used to it.
SupaDoopa
09-27-2016, 08:38 AM
That would work out if you lived at home and had nothing else to pay for. Plus, I thought these cars were more in the $500 a month range?
If you're in school, you either live on campus or live at home - neither of which you're paying for right now unless your parents are shit heads or your school is Jewish.
AllThingsGravy
09-27-2016, 08:44 AM
If you're in school, you either live on campus or live at home - neither of which you're paying for right now unless your parents are shit heads or your school is Jewish.
There's a lot more than just rent for us college students, but... you are correct we could live eating top Ramen, never go out eating stuff or do stuff with friends. But hey at least I'll own a FRS.
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SupaDoopa
09-27-2016, 09:53 AM
There's a lot more than just rent for us college students, but... you are correct we could live eating top Ramen, never go out eating stuff or do stuff with friends. But hey at least I'll own a FRS.
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I was a college student for four years. I'm not going to sit here and compare our situations but I didn't say it wasn't a sacrifice, just stating it was possible. When I went to college, food and housing was included in tuition. Not sure why you have to pay out of pocket. Sounds like the school is giving you the D.
If you prefer to go out and drink and shit, that's cool.
If you prefer to eat cardboard and sleep in your cool FR-S, that's also cool.
spooled240
09-27-2016, 11:05 AM
When I went to college, food and housing was included in tuition. Not sure why you have to pay out of pocket. Sounds like the school is giving you the D.
We are talking about college and not high school right? Not sure what planet you're living on but paying out of pocket is very common either by cash or loans. Unless of course you have a full scholarship and how many people get those?
Not sure why you have to pay out of pocket. Sounds like the school is giving you the D.
If you prefer to go out and drink and shit, that's cool.
If you prefer to eat cardboard and sleep in your cool FR-S, that's also cool.
Im paying out of pocket because immigrants arent aloud to have FASFA or any type of aid. My family case is all sorts of fucked up, immigration process here is a big fuck up even when you do it right. Im using DACA for my license/work permit for right now since im in this limbo state with our case. Im going to local community college and paying up front 1.3k for just 3 classes no books every semester which isnt bad but compared to most who get aid go basically for free and get money back after classes, what im paying is crazy. Plus im a white dude, so imagine trying to find any type of scholarship for a white south african
I stay at home, pay some bills and literally put whatever money I save into my car or other little things that keep me busy which is dumb stupid financially but having hobbies keeps you busy from normal life stress.
I could easily pay off an FRS but not having as much money to save at the end of the month and basically downgrading if I sell my hatch.Its already boosted, just finished rebuilding/machining the motor, suspension is all new, interior in good, body is perfect, new wheels, bay painted and replaced just about everything. For what its worth i'd rather save to pay everything cash or full out and put 12-15k in POS 240 than pay off a used stock FRS monthly with almost 0 moneyleft over.
SupaDoopa
09-27-2016, 12:00 PM
We are talking about college and not high school right? Not sure what planet you're living on but paying out of pocket is very common either by cash or loans. Unless of course you have a full scholarship and how many people get those?
Federal Aid allows you to get a student loan to cover housing, food, books and tuition. I had a 80% scholarship [I lost the 20% switching majors away from what I originally majored in] and they rolled everything in. My girlfriend went to another university and it was the same way.
Im paying out of pocket because immigrants arent aloud to have FASFA or any type of aid. My family case is all sorts of fucked up, immigration process here is a big fuck up even when you do it right. Im using DACA for my license/work permit for right now since im in this limbo state with our case. Im going to local community college and paying up front 1.3k for just 3 classes no books every semester which isnt bad but compared to most who get aid go basically for free and get money back after classes, what im paying is crazy. Plus im a white dude, so imagine trying to find any type of scholarship for a white south african
I stay at home, pay some bills and literally put whatever money I save into my car or other little things that keep me busy which is dumb stupid financially but having hobbies keeps you busy from normal life stress.
I could easily pay off an FRS but not having as much money to save at the end of the month and basically downgrading if I sell my hatch.Its already boosted, just finished rebuilding/machining the motor, suspension is all new, interior in good, body is perfect, new wheels, bay painted and replaced just about everything. For what its worth i'd rather save to pay everything cash or full out and put 12-15k in POS 240 than pay off a used stock FRS monthly with almost 0 moneyleft over.
I hear you and applaud you for seeking higher education to better your life and future. I know the education system is in shambles and I definitely understand your positioning behind it. Personally, I'd stick with the 240 if it's essentially rebuilt to a new car that you enjoy. Newer isn't always better.
spooled240
09-27-2016, 02:19 PM
Federal Aid allows you to get a student loan to cover housing, food, books and tuition. I had a 80% scholarship [I lost the 20% switching majors away from what I originally majored in] and they rolled everything in. My girlfriend went to another university and it was the same way.
I hear you and applaud you for seeking higher education to better your life and future. I know the education system is in shambles and I definitely understand your positioning behind it. Personally, I'd stick with the 240 if it's essentially rebuilt to a new car that you enjoy. Newer isn't always better.
I dont know who in their right mind would work to purchase a 27k dollar car while racking up student loan debt in college.
SupaDoopa
09-27-2016, 02:40 PM
I dont know who in their right mind would work to purchase a 27k dollar car while racking up student loan debt in college.
Why not? They're already in the hole for most of the adult life. Why not toughen the blow?
driftsucky
09-27-2016, 03:51 PM
Why not? They're already in the hole for most of the adult life. Why not toughen the blow?
Exactly. It's not like you;re going to pay off that loan before you get another loan. Nobody in America does that.
RB3, I'll allow your statements because you're not a natural born American. But, for future reference, we don't pay for college and we take forever to pay off loans.
I was lucky. When I went to college, it was all on the gubment's dime. THANKS GI BILL. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanywho, let's say you're regular and you're working just 20 hours a week at Sal's Import Pizza Imporium and Carpet Store. Al's kind of a dirtbag so he only pays you $9.75 an hour. But, you get free pizza and carpet samples for the dorm. At any rate, that's 844 bux a month gross. So, you probably net somewhere in the 580-647 range. You're gonna have your parents co-sign for you because you're still a useless non-contributing product sponge. Toyota has great financing rates and you can prove you're in college, so let's figure a payment of 317.85/mo. You're under 25 so stay on your parents insurance and don't be a dbag all the time so you just gotta slip your dad 50+80/mo for insurance. So, at the tippy top, you're in this new car for right around 4 hunjo a month. They're fuel efficient and you spend most of your time on campus, so your gas is maybe 60/month. And, if you live close to home, your dad is gonna slide you a lil something every now and then for being a good kid. DONE. FRS/BRZ that's affordable for a college student.
All that goes out the window if you're dbag and your parents don't love you, you're poor, or your dad cheated on your mom when you guys were still in middle school and the alimony sting is still fresh. But, if you're middle suburbia, this is a very affordable car for a college student.
LockOn!
09-27-2016, 04:18 PM
what the fuck was this thread about again?
interest rates or something?
driftsucky
09-27-2016, 04:22 PM
college prep courses?
dorkidori_s13
09-27-2016, 04:46 PM
girls gone wild co-ed edition?
dizzariot
09-27-2016, 06:58 PM
Everyone hop on the CVT do everything poorly Nissan Nismo Juke GT electro boost hybrid bandwagon. It's all we have to look forward to anyway, better get used to it.
Jesus Christ. With the upcoming presidential election I find myself wanting Canadian citizenship. Then you speak my mind in multiple threads. Can two dudes get married over there in the Maple Kingdom? I'll do the dishes if you cook :kiss:
girls gone wild co-ed edition?
There's the old dorkidori_s13. That's the first intelligent thing you've said this whole year!
American Dream.
Sounds at lot easier when said like that but its not that easy for my situation. I pay around 125 for my 240 a month. If I were to get a new car it would be all under my name in the event for whatever reason my parents had to leave the country. My parents help out where they can but dont help out to randomly spot gas or pocket change. Im on corn and use to pay around 20 bucks a week and put around 150-160 miles on a tank just driving to school/work without going to meets or spirited driving. E85 gone up to 1.99 vs 1.65ish months ago before I rehauled everything. Even if its magically 400/m for a FRS I still got other bills and have to save for next semester classes plus spoil myself where I can because I do work hard for my check.
Who knows, maybe ill marry some chick and then look around for a "fun daily" instead of driving the 240 for the next 4 years lmao. I feel like if I get another car it has to be piss slow so I dont feel tempted to mod it or get something like a Tacoma or titan. Once I sort out this rich idle, im shooting for a reliable 400whp with AC and I doubt after that I'll be interested in any newer sporty car between 20-30k. Im sure after 400whp ill get bored and want to do something more extreme. I got used to running 10psi top mount on e85 on my stock ka block. When I first drove/learned to drive it I was piss scared but after a couple months and bending two rods it felt like driving my moms corolla when I was taking my drivers test lol
wkpainter
09-27-2016, 08:09 PM
As someone who worked at a nissan dealership bodyshop for 7 months i will tell you that a new s chassis or whatever you would call it would be trash. It may tickle our nostalgia but it would be a shit box. Working on cars gives you a different appreciation for build quality and intelligent engineering. Altimas, maximas, rouges and the like are built to piss poor quality standards. There are recalls for defective hood latches and while driving down the road your hood will pop damaging your entire front end. There are rust problems with chrome moldings rubbing into and through the paint. Front ends of sentras altimas and rouges have terrible gap problems. There is not a model of nissan or infiniti where the tail lamps don't chip through the paint of the quarter panels with road vibrations. The rear body panels and rear frame rails are paper thin. Nissan is not and will most likely never be what it once was.
I would rank japanese build quality in the following order least to highest:
Nissan
Mazda
Subaru
Toyota/Honda
If there was a rear wheel option with a 2.0 turbo for each manufacturer around the same price point i would purchase in the order of
toyota
subaru (brand loyal)
honda
mazda
nissan.
Seeing nissan revive the s chassis would break your heart in the long run because the thing would be a piece of junk.
exitspeed
09-27-2016, 08:38 PM
Haha, I just stumbled on this thread. We've been discussing this virtually non-stop since '06. It started off as just a S Chassis successor thread but the discussion is so much more than that.
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=127041&page=327
dizzariot
09-27-2016, 08:39 PM
Im on corn and use to pay around 20 bucks a week and put around 150-160 miles on a tank just driving to school/work without going to meets or spirited driving. E85 gone up to 1.99 vs 1.65ish months ago before I rehauled everything. Even if its magically 400/m for a FRS I still got other bills and have to save for next semester classes plus spoil myself where I can because I do work hard for my check.
So you're shooting yourself in the foot? It seems like you're the embodiment of my whole crusade here: excess.
You didn't HAVE to tune your car to run E85 and you don't HAVE to spoil yourself. You chose to do those things. If you had a KA24DE or a factory-spec SR you wouldn't be forced to pay so much for fuel. I don't know what you mean by 'spoil yourself' but it's a matter of perspective: you buy a car you really want and you 'spoil' yourself by affording it every month...or you go get 'lit' or 'turnt up' with 'ya boys'. It sounds to me like you just want to bitch about it...?
I'm not trying to flame you. Seems like you have the ability to articulate your thoughts very well and I can't deny it's refreshing on this forum. however, like many people have told me before, you seem like your own worst enemy.
Excess plays into my argument for the ZN6: it doesn't HAVE to have a turbo and it doesn't HAVE to have high HP numbers. People want it and bitch about it when they're actually being dealt a great hand. One of the best new platforms out there, save maybe the new ND Miata.
1.) As someone who worked at a nissan dealership bodyshop for 7 months i will tell you that a new s chassis or whatever you would call it would be trash.
2.) Altimas, maximas, rouges and the like are built to piss poor quality standards. There are recalls for defective hood latches and while driving down the road your hood will pop damaging your entire front end.
3.) There is not a model of nissan or infiniti where the tail lamps don't chip through the paint of the quarter panels with road vibrations.
4.) Nissan is not and will most likely never be what it once was.
1.) Read: I'm barely an expert but where I come from 7 months is a God damned eternity.
2.) Read: I only worked on the 'boring cars' and don't mention how a 370Z is put together.
3.) Read: except for the S-Chassis because I know for a fact that dizzariot has never seen this happen on any of his S-Chassis cars.
4.) Maybe...but the point of this thread is (ironically enough) hope that they'll give the 'ZN6 treatment' to a new S-Chassis car.
That's what I'm trying to convey here. Toyota really went away from their norm to shit out the ZN6. I'm just hoping Nissan would do the same. I'm sure that if we went back in time and you heard about Toyota making a RWD car you'd all bitch ab out it having a 'Corolla motor' and 'shitty transmission' blah blah blah. The point here is that people like me are hoping Nissan will actually try to breath some fresh life into a new S-Chassis. Likely, given their current line up? Fuck no. Can a girl dream? Yes.
wkpainter
09-27-2016, 09:18 PM
Ive been in a body shop for almost 10 years, but i'm not here to talk about that.
The difference of build quality of a (brand new) rav4 compared to a (brand new) rouge is huge. I didnt talk about the build quality of a gtr because it is a totally different class of car. And your right, i didnt see a Z in my time there, or my time at any other body shop. wierd.
A new S chassis, taking into consideration its price point, would be built to the same quality of an altima. Altimas are not built to the same quality of a camry.
I'm not digging on old nissans. The problems I'm talking about are with current production models. A new rwd 2 door nissan with a $24,000 price point would be beat by the other brands.
I used to say that if nissan dropped an s15 successor (i had lots of interest in the idx) I would buy it day one. After spending more time working on nissans and seeing their faults and lack of quality my mind has been changed.
I have no interest in sports cars at the Z's price point. If i had the money for a car in the gtr price point i would buy the gtr.
Id rather spend another 10-14k on my s13 than buy a new one that isn't coming anyway.
So you're shooting yourself in the foot? It seems like you're the embodiment of my whole crusade here: excess.
You didn't HAVE to tune your car to run E85 and you don't HAVE to spoil yourself. You chose to do those things. If you had a KA24DE or a factory-spec SR you wouldn't be forced to pay so much for fuel. I don't know what you mean by 'spoil yourself' but it's a matter of perspective: you buy a car you really want and you 'spoil' yourself by affording it every month...or you go get 'lit' or 'turnt up' with 'ya boys'. It sounds to me like you just want to bitch about it...?
I'm not trying to flame you. Seems like you have the ability to articulate your thoughts very well and I can't deny it's refreshing on this forum. however, like many people have told me before, you seem like your own worst enemy.
It seems to me you flame whenever you can which is fine because most of what you say is actually true. You're actually right, I did shoot myself in the foot getting a 240 and wasting money on it than getting a little honda to get from point a/b with tons in my savings account. I didnt tune the car for it, I bought it from the previous owner like that. It was a shitty top mount setup but after replacing a few things it was perfect, no issue dailying it besides having a grabby 6 puck clutch in stop/go traffic. Got tons of stations by me, its cheap, works out the same as regular pump gas and hell of a lot better for the a stock 25 year old engine. Its not a bad choice for me, plus I got a retune recently for both pump/e85 because it does suck to have work out driving all the time. By spoil myself ill pick up film to shoot, buy a lens, see a movie, eat out once a week which is like 10 bucks or buy stuff relating to music like records or equipment which is dumb cheap. Its literally just small things vs paying for quality clothes, shoes, phone, drugs/liq, fast food, jewelry, video games, fancy tv or other materialistic stuff. I feel its more "fullfilling" seeing where your money went instead of experiencing for short time and looking forward to the same shit new weekend for the rest your life turning up. I could be bitching but most car guys do is bitch about there car, I think its normal because no right person spends the amount of time/money as we do.
My point is, its easy for me to mod and pay fully for everything on my car vs the hassle of busting my ass off more for a newer car which objectively wont be a better car than what I have. Only thing im shitted on is safety/comfort and thats about it.
For me at least, I plan everything out months in advanced, I knew my motor was going to go in a year or so. Saved up a couple grand from a second job, put away money from my regular part time job priced out machine work, internals and replacing everything then when it happened I had the money to do so and had a blast. Not many can say they did the same at my age or let alone budget 13k with 0 credit/debt. I have friends struggling to pay off a shitty mazda 3 and passat while going to school because they dont put in hours and waste there money.
Personally, i'd rather have my car. Knowing I have everything paid off and I dont owe anything, will outperform most brand new stock cars which cost double, and had the experience of building it which is pretty gay to say but is pretty priceless.
silviamang
09-27-2016, 11:21 PM
Is that you John Wayne?
Is this me?
SupaDoopa
09-28-2016, 06:24 AM
As someone who worked at a nissan dealership bodyshop for 7 months i will tell you that a new s chassis or whatever you would call it would be trash. It may tickle our nostalgia but it would be a shit box. Working on cars gives you a different appreciation for build quality and intelligent engineering. Altimas, maximas, rouges and the like are built to piss poor quality standards. There are recalls for defective hood latches and while driving down the road your hood will pop damaging your entire front end. There are rust problems with chrome moldings rubbing into and through the paint. Front ends of sentras altimas and rouges have terrible gap problems. There is not a model of nissan or infiniti where the tail lamps don't chip through the paint of the quarter panels with road vibrations. The rear body panels and rear frame rails are paper thin. Nissan is not and will most likely never be what it once was.
I would rank japanese build quality in the following order least to highest:
Nissan
Mazda
Subaru
Toyota/Honda
If there was a rear wheel option with a 2.0 turbo for each manufacturer around the same price point i would purchase in the order of
toyota
subaru (brand loyal)
honda
mazda
nissan.
Seeing nissan revive the s chassis would break your heart in the long run because the thing would be a piece of junk.
Once I read your first statement, I stopped reading. You worked at a dealership for 7 months yields a few things:
1. You probably sucked at your job and they kicked you out the door.
2. You obviously didn't learn shit in your long, awarding 7-month career.
3. You probably have enough in your 401K to buy 10x FR-S cash due to you working there so long.
4. Shut up.
driftsucky
09-28-2016, 08:13 AM
Once I read your first statement, I stopped reading. You worked at a dealership for 7 months yields a few things:
1. You probably sucked at your job and they kicked you out the door.
2. You obviously didn't learn shit in your long, awarding 7-month career.
3. You probably have enough in your 401K to buy 10x FR-S cash due to you working there so long.
4. Shut up.
He's worked in a body shop for 10 years, so he's been around for a while. What I find weird is that he saw more Nissan problems when he worked at a Nissan body shop. I wouldn't expect anyone to see more issues from a brand when he works at that brand. It's almost like working for Burger King and seeing more burger king products than McDonald's.
But, his lack of liking new Nissans is due to his inherent Snobaru status. Whenever you buy a new Snobaru, you get your choice of a free neckbeard, man-bun, box wine, or for an extra 7 bux a month, you can get all three plus a pretty solid maintenance plan and a free dog. Really is a great program and it's good nationwide. So, if you live in the Northeast, you can travel to the nutsac of the Americas, commonly known as Florida, and still get some free box wine. So, you can't blame him for that either.
SupaDoopa
09-28-2016, 08:33 AM
I mean, my B13 Sentra never chipped any quarter panel paint off from vibrations. Just saying.
driftsucky
09-28-2016, 08:59 AM
Nobody's ever has. I haven't even heard of that as a thing. I've had 2 240's, 2 350Z's, a Sentra, a Maxima, and a G35 coupe and I've never had that happen to ANY of them. Matter fact, the G35 was stock bodied, got love tapped in the arse end during some tandem at Lancaster speedway, and that STILL didn't happen lol. This "body guy" is totally on the gaff.
spooled240
09-28-2016, 10:39 AM
But if you've seen it with 3 cars then that sample size justifies the assumption that all Nissans have that problem. Basic statistics man.
SupaDoopa
09-28-2016, 10:56 AM
Good point. In his 7-month stint, the 3 cars he worked on ALL had said issue. I bet they all got smashed in the back, too.
Irony?
driftsucky
09-28-2016, 11:02 AM
I've learned, in all of the years that I've driven past a body shop, that where cars are smashed, there's always damage. I don't get it.
simmode1
09-28-2016, 11:25 AM
Haha, I just stumbled on this thread. We've been discussing this virtually non-stop since '06. It started off as just a S Chassis successor thread but the discussion is so much more than that.
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=127041&page=327
Right? This is by far the most redundant thread on Zilvia. Needs to be merged.
driftsucky
09-28-2016, 11:31 AM
Settle down debbie downer.
dorkidori_s13
09-28-2016, 12:19 PM
FOR FUTURE POSTINGS, PLEASE REFER TO THREAD BELOW! Locked like a mofo...
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=127041&page=327
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