JDM Sales....Mods playing favorites?

[tkacale]

Hey guise.



I don't mean to be "that dude" but back in March I posted a few JDM cars for sale. These cars were legally imported by me, box 1, 25 year rule, etc....



Instantly all of my threads were deleted and dorkidori_s13 messaged me that I would be banned if I posted grey market cars for sale.



My response:

My cars are not grey market. They are 100% fed legal. Imported under the 25 year rule.

His:

Doesnt matter, please review the Cars for Sale Marketplace Forum Rules threads stickied at the top of the page in that section.



I sold those cars without any issues on craigslist and Facebook rather quickly. Now I have another shipment of cars coming and I would like to post on Zilvia but I don't want to be banned.

I just want the same treatment as (just a few examples): 4banginn, tm9293, WhiteGLX, dazed



http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=629006

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=628463

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=630975

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=629158

[KAT-PWR]

Pay to be a website advertiser

[tkacale]

Pay to be a website advertiser

Why should I if the others don't have to?

[KAT-PWR]

Well I can tell you, if you're thinking this website is a democracy you're sadly mistaken.

[timandytimandy]

good job, you just got their threads deleted. Snitch.

[S14DB]

Pay to be a website advertiser



Yes, if you want to post your company info you need to be an approved advertiser.

Thank you for the report of the Grey Market cars. We do not allow them on the site do to abuse in the past. We can't verify the legitimacy of the claims and users have been scammed in the past. As you pointed out there are many other places to sell your grey market vehicles.

A Grey Market car is any that wasn't originally certified for the US market.

[driftsucky]

Hey guise.



I don't mean to be "that dude" but...grey market cars for sale.



....want to be banned.

: 4banginn, tm9293, WhiteGLX, dazed



http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=629006

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=628463

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=630975

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=629158


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Good job sir. Good luck with your car sales

[tkacale]

Yes, if you want to post your company info you need to be an approved advertiser.

Thank you for the report of the Grey Market cars. We do not allow them on the site do to abuse in the past. We can't verify the legitimacy of the claims and users have been scammed in the past. As you pointed out there are many other places to sell your grey market vehicles.

A Grey Market car is any that wasn't originally certified for the US market.

***due to abuse

My intention was not to get anyone's post deleted. I just want to be able to post. I'll post without my company info if that allows my posts to stay up.

[tkacale]

Yes, if you want to post your company info you need to be an approved advertiser.

Thank you for the report of the Grey Market cars. We do not allow them on the site do to abuse in the past. We can't verify the legitimacy of the claims and users have been scammed in the past. As you pointed out there are many other places to sell your grey market vehicles.

A Grey Market car is any that wasn't originally certified for the US market.

I am not gonna do your mod duties for you, but at least be fair:

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=622746
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=631062
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=630073
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=630229
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=630234
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=628946
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=622428
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=628830

[KAT-PWR]

***due to abuse

My intention was not to get anyone's post deleted. I just want to be able to post. I'll post without my company info if that allows my posts to stay up.

So you want everyone else to play by the rules and now you're trying to circumvent being a paid advertiser for your BUSINESS?
:picardfp:

[tkacale]

So you want everyone else to play by the rules and now you're trying to circumvent being a paid advertiser for your BUSINESS?
:picardfp:

S14DB said: Yes, if you want to post your company info you need to be an approved advertiser.

So if i don't want to post the info about my company and just sell the cars as everyone else does I should be able to, right?

I think the rule is stupid if it doesn't apply to everyone, which is the purpose of this thread

[crzsteveo]

^ I think it's stupid you don't want to post your companies info... Red flag right there

[tkacale]

^ I think it's stupid you don't want to post your companies info... Red flag right there

its a catch 22. if i post my company info i get deleted. if i dont post it you saying its a red flag. also in my original post i did put my company info, it got deleted by the Mod.

[timandytimandy]

I clicked on two of those recent links, people selling personal cars. Not a business trying to make a buck. Stop being so butt hurt and pay the fees

[tkacale]

I clicked on two of those recent links, people selling personal cars. Not a business trying to make a buck. Stop being so butt hurt and pay the fees

you are missing the point tho. according to dorkidori_s13:

Only warning
As per our forum rules, DO NOT SELL GREY MARKET CARS WITHOUT BEING AN AUTHORIZED VENDOR!

If I see you posting anymore grey market cars, I will permaban you from the marketplace.

THUS THOSE "PERSONAL" CARS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE SOLD. Forum rule if not advertiser, then no grey market sale. The rule is clearly not being enforced site wide and I am bringing that to the public attention

[KAT-PWR]

Okay.....

Is that not what the mod just fixed by deleting those other sales?

[tkacale]

Okay.....

Is that not what the mod just fixed by deleting those other sales?

Wouldn't a better fix be to just allow the sales of JDM cars by everyone?

[brndck]

Wouldn't a better fix be to just allow the sales of JDM cars by everyone?

no, due to shady shit happening in the past.

bottom line, you wanna sell as a dealer, pay the fee to be an advertiser.

[tkacale]

no, due to shady shit happening in the past.

bottom line, you wanna sell as a dealer, pay the fee to be an advertiser.

fine lets go with this idea. you propose that if I want to sell JDM cars I have to be an advertiser. according to timandytimandy personal cars should be allowed to stay. so what stops a dealer or importer from saying the cars are personal cars?

[timandytimandy]

You just want to agrue with people huh? Pound sand and pay the fees. Stop dragging other people's stuff into your hissy fit.

[S14DB]

Wouldn't a better fix be to just allow the sales of JDM cars by everyone?

That was the worst time as private sellers didn't know the rules and lost their paperwork most of time. There is less responsibility on the seller and more difficulty for the buyer to get restitution if things go south.

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=555115

The approved vendors have guaranteed that their cars are federally legal and will stand behind the paperwork.

[tkacale]

That was the worst time as private sellers didn't know the rules and lost their paperwork most of time. There is less responsibility on the seller and more difficulty for the buyer to get restitution if things go south.

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=555115

The approved vendors have guaranteed that their cars are federally legal and will stand behind the paperwork.

That's great that they guarantee their cars. Either delete all JDM cars not posted by them or delete none. Choice is yours. Keep some fairness to the forum

If you want FedLegalImports.com as a vendor, send me the info.
Facebook.com/fedlegalimports
@fedlegalimports

[driftsucky]

How about you stop snitching. You're not helping your cause by doing that. You're still not allowed to sell your car here (which, by your first post, is your ultimate goal). The only thing you're doing is raining on everyone else's parade just because YOU can't do the thing that YOU want to do. If you want to fight the good fight, it shouldn't involve bringing down other forum members. That's a very immature way to do things.

Furthermore, according to your profile, you've been on this Earth for 28 years. I don't know how long you've been in America, but why haven't you yet learned that life isn't fair? It does not seem that you can be successful, long term, if you're always chasing "fairness", by bringing down others.

Lastly, if you sold your cars quickly, elsewhere, why are you so invested in selling your cars here? I get the idea of more exposure, but if you have a system that works, why are you actively trying to buck that system? Sure, it's not costing you any money, currently, but it's sure as sh1t taking up more time than it should.

If you do the right thing and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing, I'm sure everything will work out for you. I say that, because right now, YOU don't want to do the right thing and you're trying to police everyone else who's getting away with it. Seems like a less than reputable business practice..especially when you're actively and openly promoting it.

[LockOn!]

Keep some fairness to the forum



Lol this is a private forum. wtf

http://www.livememe.com/jy5wo3l.jpg


If your a real business pay the damn fee like a real business. You wouldn't call a radio station and complain that they do call-ins from listeners and that you should be allowed to call in and start endorsing your product. Oh... wait... thats exactly what you're trying to do here.

[s14gmo]

good job, you just got their threads deleted. Snitch.

LMAO :facepalm:

[ZenkiKid]

good job, you just got their threads deleted. Snitch.

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[dazed]

Ok, so my thread got deleted without any notification, that's pretty unprofessional imo.

25 year old car is a 25 year old car. If it's a personal/private sale I don't see the issue. There's been plenty of people selling cars that fall into that category for awhile now without any issues.

All of a sudden OP makes this thread and everyones personal FS threads get deleted without warning? What's up with that?

• Grey market cars imported directly thru GTR-Garage (Registered Advertiser).

• Grey market cars imported directly thru Japanese Classics (Registered Advertiser).

• Grey market cars imported directly thru MotorEX.

The only 25 year old RHD cars that can be sold on here have to be one of those? That's BS. If it's federally legal and not a commercial sale I see no problems.

[jr_ss]

Someone is making waves. Sounds like there is more to be brought out in the wash.

Not to stoke the fire, but wouldn't a 25yr old car fall into a different category than "grey market" now that it is legal to import them?

[hosmer]

That was the worst time as private sellers didn't know the rules and lost their paperwork most of time. There is less responsibility on the seller and more difficulty for the buyer to get restitution if things go south.

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=555115

The approved vendors have guaranteed that their cars are federally legal and will stand behind the paperwork.


I bought a JDM car from an approved vendor and no car ever showed up. He also stole from 3 other members for more than $80k...but we all know that thread was deleted and the motherfucker still sells in the vendor classifieds under a different name...so what are you guaranteeing? Can I quote that next time I talk to my lawyer as I'm still fighting this 3 years later to collect the rest of my money?

[RalliartRsX]

.........The OP has a very valid point IMHO and people who break the rules and complain when they get caught shouldn't have broken the rules to begin with (in regards to this site). A lack of moderation does not make it "OK"........

It's analogous to getting caught street drifting and one guy gets caught. Both parties are still in the wrong, it's just someone got caught and spill the beans on the rest of the bunch lol. It doesn't make it more right........

Hosmer, I read your thread and this brings up a valid point. It's very clear paying for forum advertisement rights does not automatically equate to being a proper seller. There should be no gray (excuse the pun) area when selling grey market cars according to the rules.......

[RalliartRsX]

Ok, so my thread got deleted without any notification, that's pretty unprofessional imo.

25 year old car is a 25 year old car. If it's a personal/private sale I don't see the issue. There's been plenty of people selling cars that fall into that category for awhile now without any issues.

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.......Nope. A 25 year old car that was originally imported or built for US market is NOT the same as a 25 year old "grey" market vehicle.

It's also very unprofessional breaking forum rules to sell something, no?? :confused: . Not a jab at you, but the rule goes both ways.

[rawgarage]

damn but they just freed gucci mane....

[dazed]

.......Nope. A 25 year old car that was originally imported or built for US market is NOT the same as a 25 year old "grey" market vehicle.

It's also very unprofessional breaking forum rules to sell something, no?? :confused: . Not a jab at you, but the rule goes both ways.

Well yes, obviously, but that's not what I meant. Forgive me for not being clear;

I was strictly about 25 year old cars that have been imported legally.

And until today I didn't even realize you have to be a paid advertiser to sell legally imported cars no matter what here. Probably because the enforcement on that has been basically zero. I'll be honest, I think that's a pretty dumb rule.

If you're willing to show proof the car was brought over here legally (stamped customs forms, etc) then I just don't get what the big deal is?

Seems like DorkiDori just made up all these rules on his own accord. I can understand people getting scammed in the past and stuff, but if people can show their car is legit, and it's not a commercial sale, they should be able to list their cars here imo.

I'm not going to spend a couple hundred dollars in order to gain advertiser status just so I can sell one car.

[RalliartRsX]

If you're willing to show proof the car was brought over here legally (stamped customs forms, etc) then I just don't get what the big deal is?

Seems like DorkiDori just made up all these rules on his own accord. I can understand people getting scammed in the past and stuff, but if people can show their car is legit, and it's not a commercial sale, they should be able to list their cars here imo.

I'm not going to spend a couple hundred dollars in order to gain advertiser status just so I can sell one car.

I see your points........all of them :kiss:

[ilia]

The moderators want to do their best to keep the buyer safe. They don't want to see members of Zilvia getting burned by purchasing illegal cars.

One way to verify that the cars being sold are legitimate is by verifying that the vendor selling them has a proven track record of legally imported cars and happy clients.

One of the ways to verify that is by having that vendor communicate directly with the moderators, explain his business model, and sign up a sponsor.

By signing up as a supporting vendor on Zilvia, you're entering into an agreement with Zilvia as an organization, and are assumed to be a legitimate business. If you don't deliver to clients, Zilvia can ban you as a vendor, and that's one means of recourse that is available to keep people safe from shitty importers.

It's not a perfect process, but it is a clear attempt by the dudes that run this forum to balance things in the interest of the buyer (which is a good thing). Pretty simple, really.

Also- anyone who is making a commercial sale should pay as a forum sponsor. If you are selling personally owned things as part of your hobby, you sell for free. If you are selling things for commercial purposes for the purpose of advancing your business, you should be a paying vendor. That's not unique to this forum, that's the case on literally every single forum on the planet.


If you are considering doing business with an organization that does not understand these basic principles, that's a bad sign. Any normal honest business person gets all of the above, and wouldn't raise a stink about it.

[dorkidori_s13]

Im sick of listening to everyone whine about this... Ive repealed the grey market car ban. HOWEVER, there are rules that need to be followed when listing the cars for sale! Please refer to the below thread...

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=555115

Also, instead of pointing fingers or PMing me rude little comments because you couldnt post your grey market cars for sale... Perhaps you should grow up and realize IM NOT THE ONLY MOD ON THE FORUMS!!! I havent had time lately to police the marketplace due to A LOT of personal matters happening right now. I help out when I can, but at the moment my personal life is VERY busy and I dont have time to dig thru 15-20 pages worth of posts to either delete or spank naughty 20 year olds on the ass for simply not reading the forum rules posted at the top of ALL Marketplace Forums!!!

[dorkidori_s13]

PS: One of the new rules is... IF YOURE FLIPPING CARS ON HERE AS A DEALER, YOU ARE ON GROUNDS OF RECEIVING A PERMANBAN FROM THE MARKETPLACE WHEN YOU ARE CAUGHT! Quit being a cheap ass and buy a vendor account otherwise face the possibility of the ban hammer! KTHXBAI!

[dorkidori_s13]

Seems like DorkiDori just made up all these rules on his own accord. I can understand people getting scammed in the past and stuff, but if people can show their car is legit, and it's not a commercial sale, they should be able to list their cars here imo.

this is the kind of shit im sick of... get over it. post your car for sale :kiss:

[S14DB]

I bought a JDM car from an approved vendor and no car ever showed up. He also stole from 3 other members for more than $80k...but we all know that thread was deleted and the motherfucker still sells in the vendor classifieds under a different name...so what are you guaranteeing? Can I quote that next time I talk to my lawyer as I'm still fighting this 3 years later to collect the rest of my money?

I am not guaranteeing anything. The vendors are required to have their paperwork in order to sell here. The only recourse we have is to permanently ban the vendor and any future accounts. All sales are Cavet Emptor and have been.

[dorkidori_s13]

Ive never understood people holding Zilvia accountable for deals gone shitty! You dont sue Craigslist when you get stiffed... It is YOUR responsibility as a BUYER to request ALL documentation for the deal to make sure its a legit transaction. If for some odd reason you feel ANYTHING is out of whack, STOP THE DEAL IMMEDIATELY! Its your right as a buyer to back out of a deal when something is fishy... But it has been stated since the dawn of Zilvia that ALL SALES ARE CAVET EMPTOR! YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN DEAL!

[brndck]

I bought some tires on here, and then they blew up after only ONE day of drifting. zilvia should buy me new ones.
#AmIDoingItRight ???

[dorkidori_s13]

I bought some tires on here, and then they blew up after only ONE day of drifting. zilvia should buy me new ones.
#AmIDoingItRight ???

#yesyouare :kiss:

[Nissan2nr22]

such genius

[KAT-PWR]

I will moderate the forums....I'm on here all day everyday anyway may as well do something useful.

I was born in V-bulletin forums, shaped by them. Most of you have merely adopted the forums.

[dazed]

Im sick of listening to everyone whine about this... Ive repealed the grey market car ban. HOWEVER, there are rules that need to be followed when listing the cars for sale! Please refer to the below thread...

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=555115


I appreciate you stepping in and clarifying things. Seems simple enough. With the number of imported cars being sold on here on the rise, it was probably best this happened sooner than later.

[hosmer]

I didn't throw the word "guarantee" out so what are you talking about. It makes it sound like the vendors are vetted trustworthy individuals

Did I sue the board? No

Did I sue the individual? Yes

Did I make a thread about it? Yes

Did it get deleted because hes a paying advertiser? We can only assume

Does he still post/advertise on the board? Yes

Can I prove it? Yes



But hey, a bucks a bucks and who cares about morality



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[driftsucky]

I'm not going to spend a couple hundred dollars in order to gain advertiser status just so I can sell one car.

What if I told you that you could spend NO money and sell NO cars here...or...you could spend a couple of hundreds dollars and sell ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the cars here.
http://66.media.tumblr.com/96ccdb3e4215fbc3b5353dadbce63cd6/tumblr_mkeqa1bTzw1qer8czo3_500.gif




I was born in V-bulletin forums, shaped by them. Most of you have merely adopted the forums.

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[dorkidori_s13]

I didn't throw the word "guarantee" out so what are you talking about. It makes it sound like the vendors are vetted trustworthy individuals

which company was it? im curious...

[S14DB]

which company was it? im curious...

Billy Vaughn/RHDAmerica, constant pain in the ass.

[jabbacalvin]

Good job Fed Legal Imports, you just ruined your company name on Zilvia.

PS: Pay to be an advertiser, cheap ass.

[dorkidori_s13]

Billy Vaughn/RHDAmerica, constant pain in the ass.

gotcha! i had a feeling it was either RHDAmerica or GTRGarage.