Helping one of our own

[rbpwrd240]

I pulled this from the370Z site. Also was posted in the doing it wrong section.

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-general-discussions/114572-one-our-forum-members-getting-screwed-over-dealership.html

The dealers FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/ryannissanminot/reviews/

Seems most of what people do here is bitch at each other can we use our powers for good this time?

[zombiewolf513]

dealerships (and their service departments) are insured and bonded to ensure that if a customer's car is destroyed by the dealership doing service, the customer has the ability to file a claim and get reimbursed by the bonding/insurance agency. If it were me, I'd get a lawyer and file a claim, or if the dealership isn't bonded sue for the value of the car and court/legal costs.

[rbpwrd240]

dealerships (and their service departments) are insured and bonded to ensure that if a customer's car is destroyed by the dealership doing service, the customer has the ability to file a claim and get reimbursed by the bonding/insurance agency. If it were me, I'd get a lawyer and file a claim, or if the dealership isn't bonded sue for the value of the car and court/legal costs.

Well after some searching it appears that one family owns all the dealerships in Minot ND so the person will need to go elsewhere for legal representation as he has already been pushed out of town by local lawyers.

Again, Noise here is the main goal. He needs to pursue legal action and he is but we would all like to see the dealership own up to this and make it right. That's the goal.

Its a shame that so many people are like o get a lawyer to get your shit fixed. What happened to just good bussines and good people. SMH Progress.

[XMcEvilson]

oops he put aftermarket parts on it, those are probably what caused the fire.

jk

[SoundEfx]

How exactly can we help?

[zombiewolf513]

Again, Noise here is the main goal. He needs to pursue legal action and he is but we would all like to see the dealership own up to this and make it right. That's the goal.

Its a shame that so many people are like o get a lawyer to get your shit fixed. What happened to just good bussines and good people. SMH Progress.

Don't get me wrong, I applaud pursuing the route of pushing the dealer to own up to it. People are lazy and selfish and make mistakes; not addressing the mistake is a mistake. Taking a legal route gives OP's cause a level of legitimacy.

Although, at the end of the day, the person that's going to have to get the dealer to put money in his hand is OP. Unless people of the internet decide to pay him back when they hardly afford their own cars.

[rbpwrd240]

Don't get me wrong, I applaud pursuing the route of pushing the dealer to own up to it. People are lazy and selfish and make mistakes; not addressing the mistake is a mistake. Taking a legal route gives OP's cause a level of legitimacy.

Although, at the end of the day, the person that's going to have to get the dealer to put money in his hand is OP. Unless people of the internet decide to pay him back when they hardly afford their own cars.

He is actively involved Im trying to do my part.

[rbpwrd240]

How exactly can we help?


Well I posted the FB link to the dealer. They have a feed back rating same as google a 1 star feedback from 2000 people will probably get there attention.

Here is the deal for those not interested enough to read the 4 pages of the original thread.

A guy with a 370z added a turbo kit to his very new car. He noticed he had a break fluid leak and took it to the dealer. The dealer put a two mile joy ride on the car without cleaning the fluid and parked it back in the service station. The car caught fire. They put it out.

The amazing part is that when the car was taken to the dealer the owner was told he was lucky he even made it to the dealer without catching fire. Then an employee of the dealer ship went and drove the car further without cleaning up the fluid. After the joy ride the car was placed in the service station where it... Surprisingly, caught fire????

Dealer ship is not taking fault and insurance is involved and they are going after the dealership. Lawyers were attempted to retain but again its a small town where one family owns all the car dealerships and they probably already have half the lawyers on retainer in Minot, ND so no local lawyer would take the case.

The worst part here is the the owner is Military and Minot, ND is mostly there due to the base (atleast thats my understanding) and this dealership is going to screw this guy???? No, I dot think so. Also a service emloyee of the dealership sent harassing remarks to the owner after seeing the original thread. News outlets are being contacted etc. If you can help in anyway thats great. For now the easiest thing to do is go leave a poor 1 star feedback. If we can show enough support they will probably pickup the claim much easier.

Also Nissan of North America has been contacted and they did send a person to review the car. Currently Nissan of North America has taken no action.

Im not saying you have to help but if you care I would suggest reading the original thread and then deciding if you would like to help. For gods sake dont do it on my account or simply because of my opinions, thats just silly.

[rbpwrd240]

It is worth a chuckle to read the comments on their facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/ryannissanminot/reviews/

Owner gives more detail's.
Ok guys. Here is the skinny. The car was parked at the dealership at 0940. At 1000 I took a pic of my milage, which was 6029. 3-4 hours later the fire happened. They called me, but I missed the call as I was asleep. I called them back at around 1520. No answer. I called again around 1630. Finally at 1729 I received a call back and was told my car had caught fire. The service manager didn't have any details as to what happened other than there was a fire and he told me to call my insurance. I asked If they were going to fix it and he responded with, I don't think so, but the people who make that decision were gone for the day so I should call back the following day. I called my insurance immediately after the call from the dealership. The following day it three hours after my initial call for the service manager to get back to me.
Once he had called me back, the conversation went south. I asked if they were going to fix it
He said no. They aren't responsible because I signed a waiver. I replied with what waiver, as I don't recall ever being briefed on a waiver. He explained that the waiver protects them from theft or fire damage. I said, no sir that is not how this works, and he got hostile towards me. I told him i was going to call nissan corporate. He responded with, "I don't care, call the president."

[theStig880]

That sucks but I'm curious to hear the dealers side before 1 star reviewing some place I've never heard about. It sounds like some tech had a joy ride and the dealership is trying to save ass.

But seriously, how did they even get brake fluid to ignite? Shit doesn't burn until like 550 degrees F and it smokes like crazy before that. And its relatively slow to burn. If it happened on the lift, where the fuck was the fire extinguisher.

[rawgarage]

Did my part

[AnonymousBlackX]

did my part

[LKing]

Did my part


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[ixfxi]

That sucks but I'm curious to hear the dealers side before 1 star reviewing some place I've never heard about. It sounds like some tech had a joy ride and the dealership is trying to save ass.

But seriously, how did they even get brake fluid to ignite? Shit doesn't burn until like 550 degrees F and it smokes like crazy before that. And its relatively slow to burn. If it happened on the lift, where the fuck was the fire extinguisher.

I dont understand that either, brake fluid is not exactly the most combustible material out there.

A few things dont sit right with me:
- Guy has a turbo 370Z and cant fix a brake leak?
- Guy has a turbo 370Z and takes his car to the DEALER?

I dont care if the guy is military, that has nothing to do with the facts here. And as for the tech taking the car for a joy ride, its not a fucking joy ride - when you are a tech, you test things. In this case, the car being tested caught fire. So either it should not have been test driven, and in that case - the OWNER of the car should not have driven it in, he should have towed it.

I am not trying to take sides here, but some people think that techs get a kick out of driving cars, as if this is Buellers Day Off. Its your job to fix cars. Fixing cars requires driving them. Shit happens.

Personally, if I were the owner I would be pissed at myself for being stupid enough to own a modified turbo car that I drove to the dealer for service.

[rbpwrd240]

Did my part



Thanks bro

and to all the others helping too.

[driftsucky]

A guy with a 370z added a turbo kit to his very new car. He noticed he had a break fluid leak and took it to the dealer. The dealer put a two mile joy ride on the car without cleaning the fluid and parked it back in the service station. The car caught fire. They put it out.


I don't know if you know how mileage works, but 2 miles is hardly a joy ride (especially because it's 1 mile there and 1 mile back). Also, I don't see where the dealership is at fault. Is he saying that the 2 miles that they drove it caused a fire? Because it seems unlikely that someone would drive it two miles, park it, and it would just spontaneously combust...DUE TO BRAKE FLUID. But, whatevs.

Dealer ship is not taking fault and insurance is involved and they are going after the dealership. Lawyers were attempted to retain but again its a small town where one family owns all the car dealerships and they probably already have half the lawyers on retainer in Minot, ND so no local lawyer would take the case.

So, it's not possible that nobody in town would take the case because it sounds ridiculous? They have to be on the tape? So, the entire TOWN has conspired against your buddy and his turbo Z? So, instead of spending the, at most 40k, they all decided to gather up their time and efforts to lock him out of what's "fair". PSCHHHHTTTTT BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah. That's likely. You can probably find video of them takin a wiz in the car and then setting it on fire. lol.
Hopefully he doesn't besmirch the good name of the military with his questionable nonsense. Good luck to him though. HOOOAH!

[rbpwrd240]

I never said it was my buddy, I have no idea who he is for all I know he may deserve this injustice but as a service member and a Nissan guy I figured I would offer my hand as many others have seen fit to do as well.

If you guys aren't willing to read the original thread I'm not going to repost or retype it all here for you when there is a link right at the top of the thread. Many of your comments could have been answered by doing a little do diligence.

Dealership is liable as they were the ones that stated the car was a fire hazard not the owner. As for why he was at the dealer the car is apparently fairly new so he probably gets it serviced at the dealer. The dealership drove the car further after claiming it was a fire hazard. If this didnt cause the fire it definitely didn't help it. Where the fire came from hasn't been set in concrete as the dealership claims to not know how it started.

The key here is in the details, details we dont have as the dealership isnt answering any questions. Did they clean the fluid first? Did they drive it even 2 miles knowing it was a fire hazard and they didnt do anything to stop the issue before "test driving" the car? Does the test drive of a known fire hazard make them liable? How about if they didnt take care of the fire hazard first?

Now if you want to argue the facts thats fine but at least go read the original thread and figure them out before just causing more speculation.

In my opinion and the opinion of many other folks it appears to us a very easy judgment call. If its not that way for many of you thats fine it doesn't bother me at all and let me say now that this isn't a witch hunt its about doing the right thing for someone who fights for us to enjoy our freedoms. If you take the military issue out of the equation the its just about a business doing the right thing. That used to be enough and I hope it still is.


Also its good to point out that at least one of the techs in question visits Nissan boards. Im sure its not long until him or his friends find this and try to save his ass since his job is on the line due to the harassment issues he caused on another site toward the owner of the vehicle.

The Dealership is family owned and they own 4 other dealerships in Minot. Thats enough reason in a small town for lawyers not to take the case. The insurance company also agrees with the dealership being at fault as they are currently looking to go after the dealership with their lawyers. But this should be handled fast by the dealership. Their desire to brush this one under the carpet will hopefully cost them a lot more then if they would have just fixed the car. Which may happen now because if this goes to court they will be forced to get legal representation as a business and even a lawyer on retainer is going to be 500-1000 an hour once he is on the case.

From here I have done all I can and I eagerly await an end to see how the resolution comes out.

[rbpwrd240]

I don't know if you know how mileage works,


Hopefully he doesn't besmirch the good name of the military with his questionable nonsense.

Boy that first remark cracked me up. To clarify no i dont know how mileage works why dont you explain it to me. Tha'd crack me up.:naughty:

As for him damaging the reputation of the military with his nonsense? I think you might be on your own with that. No body I have spoken to seems to think him wanting a fair and swift resolution is a poor look on our service members. As a matter of fact most seem to think its appropriate and inline with the values the military stands for and attempts to instill in all its members and their families for that matter.


But again pinions are our own and we all have them no matter how they measure up. Heck maybe Im the idiot here but there are a lot of people who would argue that. Not me though....

[Matej]

A few things dont sit right with me:
- Guy has a turbo 370Z and cant fix a brake leak?
- Guy has a turbo 370Z and takes his car to the DEALER?
This is what seemed quite peculiar to me as well.
It is as if the guy installed a turbo kit getting in way over his head, and now his car is having issues and he does not know what to do, so he took it to a dealership to fix his mistakes.
I am surprised the dealership even accepted the car once they saw it was not in factory condition.

Hey guys, my car is having a leak so I want you to fix it, do not mind all these extra pipes and this turbo and hoses and these two bags of cement and packing peanuts I am storing in the engine bay to impede your work and make it extra unpleasant, just do your job.

Also, how does someone have over 51 000 posts on a 370Z forum? What is there to talk about?!

[rbpwrd240]

Guessing you haven't seen this then.
https://blog.stillen.com/2011/01/federal-trade-commission-validates-right-to-install-aftermarket-parts-without-voiding-warranty/

If I am a young guy in the military I can afford to buy acar and a turbo kit. Doesn't mean I still dont get the car serviced by the dealer while under warranty.

[corby_baby]

Also, how does someone have over 51 000 posts on a 370Z forum? What is there to talk about?!

Spends too much time posting and not learning how to fix brake leaks :picardfp:

[derass]

...let me say now that this isn't a witch hunt...


This thread absolutely is a witch hunt, asking strangers to slander the business without hearing their side of the story.

Guessing you haven't seen this then.
https://blog.stillen.com/2011/01/federal-trade-commission-validates-right-to-install-aftermarket-parts-without-voiding-warranty/



That Consumer Alert from the FTC is very loosely worded and likely refers to aftermarket replacement parts, such as collision and maintanence parts.
Aftermarket modified parts like cold air intakes and turbo kits that completely disregard the vehicle manufacturer's design and intent surely stand to void the vehicle's warranty.

[Magnezee]

I am not trying to take sides here, but some people think that techs get a kick out of driving cars, as if this is Buellers Day Off. Its your job to fix cars. Fixing cars requires driving them. Shit happens.

Personally, if I were the owner I would be pissed at myself for being stupid enough to own a modified turbo car that I drove to the dealer for service.



Agree, if anything its porters who go "joy ride" usually young kids, making minimum wage, why not...right, faster than their own bucket, beside the point.

Don't chime in much but this hits close to home, here it goes.....

Personally, I deal with lemon law car's on a corporate level, if the customer goes to a dealer and they have a flash/tune ( at least with my brand(s) ), it gets registered when the vehicle gets scanned by the diagnostic scanner, they are now flagged, whatever dealership they go to, it will show up when running VIN and power train warranty is denied, even if the dealer tries to make power train repairs under warranty with the flag, the dealer will have to eat the cost, corporate will not pay for power train repairs, that's the risk with tuning these cars that are under factory warranty. Their car is still under warranty and the manufacturer will take care of items except power train due to that fact that they modified power train, power train is no longer within the manufacture specifications (at least with my brand(s)).

It varies from dealer-to-dealer, some mod "friendly" and will turn a blind eye to modifications while you put your ECU back to "stock" setting, while others not so much, its a big liability, I'm surprised they didn't show him the door when he walked in, IMHO.

Also, tech's have to road test and verify conerns/corrections, mileage in and mileage out have to be different, legal wise, in California, not road testing a car is a big no-no, we've had to buy car's back because although a tech road tested a car, the mileage wasn't noted, cross your T, dot your I, that repair order is a legal document. So if they stated that fire damaged is not their fault, he's out of luck. The car game is crazy.

Now, corporate and the dealership can agree to help this customer out, say, corporate supplies the parts at their cost (which is mad cheap) and dealer does labor at a discounted rate that they will charge corporate to keep the customer in the brand, very likely if the customer has a history with the brand.

I read that there's no lawyer in ND that will take his case, I kind of think its B/S, I'm sure he can find a lawyer, depending on what the repair order stated, its an uphill battle, a lawyer will take your money, win or lose, he'll find one.


Military or not, that shouldn't matter ... and this topic can open its own can of worms.

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[KiLLeR2001]

One of our own? I don't think so. Turbo'd 370z, needs the dealership to fix a brake leak. That's not how us 40 boyz roll son. We fix brake leaks with duct tape and zipties, fucking amateurs.

[lunchmeat]

To kinda piggyback off what Magnezee said.
Many moons ago when I worked at a Nissan dealer, I never saw or heard about any of the techs joy riding. They always gave the car a test drive, except for those that were there for an oil change. They logged mileage. If they got popped by the cops for acting stupid in a customer's car, they got fired. Best group of guys I've worked with. The sales guys were all assholes though. Now this was a smaller town dealership and about 15 years ago.

[rbpwrd240]

This thread absolutely is a witch hunt, asking strangers to slander the business without hearing their side of the story.

I never did any such thing.

Obviusly missed this in my post.
Im not saying you have to help but if you care I would suggest reading the original thread and then deciding if you would like to help. For gods sake dont do it on my account or simply because of my opinions, thats just silly.

[rbpwrd240]

One of our own? I don't think so. Turbo'd 370z, needs the dealership to fix a brake leak. That's not how us 40 boyz roll son. We fix brake leaks with duct tape and zipties, fucking amateurs.


Again just my opinion but....:picardfp: To me thats half of whats wrong with our particular group of enthusiast's.

[rbpwrd240]

That Consumer Alert from the FTC is very loosely worded and likely refers to aftermarket replacement parts, such as collision and maintanence parts.
Aftermarket modified parts like cold air intakes and turbo kits that completely disregard the vehicle manufacturer's design and intent surely stand to void the vehicle's warranty.

This is speculation if your saying things such as likely or probably and not actual fact..

The consumer alert is clear as to what the dealer would have to prove. From there its a legal case but this was only to point out that the additional add ons dont limit dealer service work on a new vehicle and dont necessarily void the warranty. Although many dealerships would argue that in person, again its a deal of legal pressure and that will cost coin.

[rbpwrd240]

Advice... Hire this guy


LWYRUP






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Love that ad and may I say its nice to see such accurate and well thought out information posted. Im working hard to speak my mind but also to keep this an open forum for discussion on the facts of the incident. again no witch hunt here I just feel its BS and could use more attention.

Yes non/military could definitely be a whole other argument but for me personally he choose to fight for his country and just like cops and fire fighters it doesn't mean they get any special treatment but as a military brat and a criminal justice police services graduate I feel it does offer them more of MY consideration when they are in need or in a jam.

[Magnezee]

Love that ad and may I say its nice to see such accurate and well thought out information posted. Im working hard to speak my mind but also to keep this an open forum for discussion on the facts of the incident. again no witch hunt here I just feel its BS and could use more attention.

Yes non/military could definitely be a whole other argument but for me personally he choose to fight for his country and just like cops and fire fighters it doesn't mean they get any special treatment but as a military brat and a criminal justice police services graduate I feel it does offer them more of MY consideration when they are in need or in a jam.



Ahh, no, its doesn't, they already get to buy a house with no PPI, that's a perk that I'm ok with, otherwise, a regular Joe Blow Beethoven.

Again, like I said, its a whole other topic of discussion. I am glad you posted this thread, people don't realize the extreme a manufacture goes to keep their customers happy, 99% of Buybacks can be fixed, its time limits, parts limits, knowledge of tech's (that are being paid their worth) state laws... and then there's customers that just go to the extreme to get out a payment he/she can not afford.

This is coming from years of dealing with the outer and inner workings of a manufacture, from franchise dealers (with different inner workings on its own, and lots of warranty fraud being done by reputably dealers, Sales/Parts/Service managers should be going to jail....(IMHO) in a lot of cases) , corporate, warranty, claims processing, technical support .... in the end, for a dealer, its about the money, for the manufacture, its about keeping the customer happy, pride in the workplace, shine a light on the brand, keep employees happy, then the revenue.

Just my .02, if its worth anything more, donate to http://www.pitbullrescuesandiego.com/

(shameless plug for the breed)

BTW rbpwrd240, there is a multi-quote button, all at once, you know :p

[rbpwrd240]

Ahh, no, its doesn't, they already get to buy a house with no PPI, that's a perk that I'm ok with, otherwise, a regular Joe Blow Beethoven.

Again, like I said, its a whole other topic of discussion. I am glad you posted this thread, people don't realize the extreme a manufacture goes to keep their customers happy, 99% of Buybacks can be fixed, its time limits, parts limits, knowledge of tech's (that are being paid their worth) state laws... and then there's customers that just go to the extreme to get out a payment he/she can not afford.

This is coming from years of dealing with the outer and inner workings of a manufacture, from franchise dealers (with different inner workings on its own, and lots of warranty fraud being done by reputably dealers, Sales/Parts/Service managers should be going to jail....(IMHO) in a lot of cases) , corporate, warranty, claims processing, technical support .... in the end, for a dealer, its about the money, for the manufacture, its about keeping the customer happy, pride in the workplace, shine a light on the brand, keep employees happy, then the revenue.

Just my .02, if its worth anything more, donate to http://www.pitbullrescuesandiego.com/

(shameless plug for the breed)

BTW rbpwrd240, there is a multi-quote button, all at once, you know :p
:picardfp: Now I know what the MQ buton means. LOL I never bothered to use it as I dont generally get this involved in things around here. It generaly leads to arguments.

Good point though about the advantages of being military with the housing and schooling etc but I guess I didnt realy consider those as other people get govt assistance etc but there are many advantages to being military including insurance etc so another god point. Make that two for Magnesee!!!

[ixfxi]

So, it's not possible that nobody in town would take the case because it sounds ridiculous? They have to be on the tape? So, the entire TOWN has conspired against your buddy and his turbo Z?

This sounds like a job, for the A-TEAM!!!


Dealership is liable as they were the ones that stated the car was a fire hazard not the owner.

Dealer has insurance, thats what insurance is for. Insurance is not going to replace the car. In the end, this car will be fixed and the owner will have a repaired 370Z.


This is what seemed quite peculiar to me as well.
It is as if the guy installed a turbo kit getting in way over his head, and now his car is having issues and he does not know what to do, so he took it to a dealership to fix his mistakes.
I am surprised the dealership even accepted the car once they saw it was not in factory condition.

I was thinking the same thing, but the dealer made a big mistake of taking on a modified car. I would have steered clear from that like most dealers do. Whats worse is now you have this asshole starting all this online shit-stirring and for what, because his car caught fire? Big fucking deal. If my car caught fire it would be my loss and my problem. The only reason this guy is starting such a fuss is because he took it to the BIG DEALERSHIP. Im not for or against the dealer, its a business like all the others. I just dont see the need for the slander. Shit happens.


Guessing you haven't seen this then.
https://blog.stillen.com/2011/01/federal-trade-commission-validates-right-to-install-aftermarket-parts-without-voiding-warranty/

If I am a young guy in the military I can afford to buy acar and a turbo kit. Doesn't mean I still dont get the car serviced by the dealer while under warranty.

Thats correct, the modifications dont fully void the entire warranty. But, the dealer can refuse to work on certain things based on certain modifications. Thats their right and if you dont like it, take it to another dealership. Bottom line is that this car is past dealer service, it should be worked on by a specialist. This is why tuner shops exist.


One of our own? I don't think so. Turbo'd 370z, needs the dealership to fix a brake leak. That's not how us 40 boyz roll son. We fix brake leaks with duct tape and zipties, fucking amateurs.

Nah bro. Even the dumbest mother fucker on this forum owns a flare wrench.

[Magnezee]

Nah bro. Even the dumbest mother fucker on this forum owns a flare wrench.

Shouldn't you be asleep !!??? I don't even own a "flare" wrench, gimmicks bro !

[ixfxi]

Shouldn't you be asleep !!??? I don't even own a "flare" wrench, gimmicks bro !

east east east east!!!!!!!!!!

ixfxi never sleeps, im constantly sleuthing the gutters of the internet for car parts and free porno

[rbpwrd240]

east east east east!!!!!!!!!!

ixfxi never sleeps, im constantly sleuthing the gutters of the internet for car parts and free porno


LMAO,

And I thought I was the only one. :2f2f:

[ixfxi]

After speaking with several mechanics, it appears that our insured did nothing wrong. Because our insured could not duplicate your concerns with the vehicle at the shop, they needed to take it on a test drive at highway speeds and press the brakes. There was no reason to believe or know that the vehicle was going to start on fire and they did everything possible to put it out.

As you are aware, your vehicle has an aftermarket turbo. Whoever installed, allowed it to touch the brake
line. Although the turbo is secured with straps, it still shakes when the car is being driven. The shaking caused the
brake line to fray and brake fluid eventually leaked and hit the exhaust, hence starting a fire.

They knew the engine bay was a fire hazard, they service manager made sure to point that out to me. He noted the fluid all over the turbo down pipe. Also, when I drove the car to the dealership, I had to drive slow, and downshift to slow down. There was little brake pressure. To claim they had no idea the car would catch fire is a slap in the face, and truly shows the lack of technical ability of the service center.

Told you. Guy is so stupid he should have towed the fucking car if the brakes were not operating right.

So, its good enough for him to drive/limp the car TO the dealership but not good enough for the dealer to test drive? Which means if it caught fire when the owner was driving it, that would be OK - but not OK if the dealer drives it.

I would be more upset at the original installer, he was the one who installed the dman thing. He's really the one liable for taking dudes money and doing a shit install with that turbo kit.

Live and learn young blood!

[STR8 H8N]

I pulled this from the370Z site. Also was posted in the doing it wrong section.

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-general-discussions/114572-one-our-forum-members-getting-screwed-over-dealership.html

The dealers FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/ryannissanminot/reviews/

Seems most of what people do here is bitch at each other can we use our powers for good this time?

this should hav stayed in the diw section :picardfp::picardfp::picardfp:

[BoostyMcZface]

This is what happens when you have highly modified cars and don't know what you're doing when you install or trust a shop to do your dirty work. Why he didn't take it back to the shop baffles me, but number one rule in mechanics is if you have a major issue such as a brake failure, you don't drive it, period.

On a side note, I own a boosted 370 and it's been to the dealer once. Only because I was lazy and didn't wanna do the trans and diff fluid. If you have a car like this and can't fix something as basic as brake line rubbing, you probably shouldn't have a car that modified. Having something like that takes constant monitoring and care, and if you're relying on a stealership to fix dumb shit that goes wrong you're definitely diw. But if the dealer knowingly drove the car when shit was covered in fluid, that's also diw and shouldn't be ignored either. Sure his mods and neglect caused it, but if they knew it had a major issue like this, it's easy to tell that it shouldn't be driven until the issue was fixed and no leak or wet exhaust was present.. that's a safety issue in its own right

[STR8 H8N]

some huge zilvia hate over ther on 370z

:fawk2::fawk2::fawk2:

[EDT007]

Told you. Guy is so stupid he should have towed the fucking car if the brakes were not operating right.

So, its good enough for him to drive/limp the car TO the dealership but not good enough for the dealer to test drive? Which means if it caught fire when the owner was driving it, that would be OK - but not OK if the dealer drives it.


He has a 2009 (I believe) 370 Nismo with ~6,000 miles on it. It is turbocharged but the service manager told him he was lucky it didn't catch on fire on the way there (so they knew there was a fire hazard) because of a brake fluid leak which is the reason he brought it there in the first place.

I think the issue is that the service manager knew the car was a risk and yet still allowed one of his techs to drive it. The owner is definitely at some fault for not taking the correct precautions to get the car there but the dealer should have not proceeded with the test drive. At the end of the day there are 3 sides to every story: one side, the other and the TRUTH.

[driftsucky]

The tech drove the car because he didn't experience the concern that the customer brought it in for.
Had the tech not driven it, the story would've been "I BROUGHT MY CAR TO THE STEALERSHIP. THEY SAID EVERYTHING WAS FINE!! THEN, AS SOON AS i PICKED IT UP, IT CAUGHT ON FIRE! FACEBOOK HELLLLLLLLP!!!!!"

Then, there would've been a bunch of post saying that dealerships don't know ish and how could they let the car go and say nothing is wrong and fire fire fire blah blah blah.

Whenever a modified car comes in to a dealership, it's an issue. Such is life.

[EDT007]

What do you mean he didn't experience the concern? The service manager clearly knew what was going on and pointed out to the owner that it was a fire hazard. I've been a tech for over 15 years. Guess what, if someone comes in and says they don't have brakes I'm going to put it on the lift and check the system before driving it.

[driftsucky]

What do you mean he didn't experience the concern? The service manager clearly knew what was going on and pointed out to the owner that it was a fire hazard. I've been a tech for over 15 years. Guess what, if someone comes in and says they don't have brakes I'm going to put it on the lift and check the system before driving it.

...could not duplicate your concerns with the vehicle at the shop, they needed to take it on a test drive at highway speeds and press the brakes.

Are you planning on just carrying that to your lift with your magnanimous muscles? Is that how you did things when you were a tech for 15 years? Did you get tired of lifting cars to carry them to your lift, so you retired and got a gold watch and a pin with a big muscle arm on it? Then you decided to join the Avengers and date superheros?

[LockOn!]

Hmmmmm

Guy does own work

Guy brings fuck up to dealer

Dealer fucks up too

What do?



This is an interesting one. I generally consider all warranties written off when I modify a car, especially with FI, but the dealer clearly fucked up too when they went against the customers specific instructions and caused the exact fire he was aiming to avoid.

I have no fucking clue who's/what is correct in this situation. Will be monitoring this thread.


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[EDT007]

Clearly you can't have an adult discussion. It's called pushing the car into the shop dumbass! Use your head and stop trying to flex your internet muscles. I was clearly trying to say that in certain situations one must take extra precaution. You know, kind of how your parents didn't by not using contraception.

[ixfxi]

some huge zilvia hate over ther on 370z

All they're doing is bashing Isamu...

I wish I could post over there.. but **** those guys. I'm sorry I work 12 hr days for weeks on end.. trust me.. had I had time I would have fixed it myself.. it wasn't a warranty claim.. ******* **** bags making assumptions.

We have careers, we own modified cars, we work heavy hours. Theres no excuse for stupidity. If your car does not work right, leave it alone and fix it when time permits. Dont drive it - TOW it. Its not about making assumptions, its about doing the right thing and not getting a rally of people to stir up a bunch of commotion. If you dont like the dealership, dont go there. Leave a bad review. But theres no need to get a fuckin possee like some whiny brat.


I read the thread over there, then some other ones. All of them seem to be a bunch of whiny *** bitches.... rude fuckers too..

Whiny bitches who know how to turn a wrench and know better than to drive a car that shouldnt be driven.

The dealer has insurance. Guy needs to chill out, he will eventually collect from the insurance. He makes it seem as if the Z34 is some sort of collectible. Our janky ass old S-chassis are more collectible than these 370s. Not only can you buy 370Z parts new, but you can also go buy an entire car if need be.

** waaaaaah my 370z caught fire waaaaaaah ***

[Matej]

The guy is lucky that his car burned down at a dealership. At least now he may have a chance at getting some money back.

He would be solely out of luck when his engine blew up from a bolt-on turbo kit.

[STR8 H8N]

I wish I could post over there.. but **** those guys. I'm sorry I work 12 hr days for weeks on end.. trust me.. had I had time I would have fixed it myself.. it wasn't a warranty claim.. ******* **** bags making assumptions.

[evomike]

im sorry but i dont see how this is on the dealership at all especially after reading the dealerships response.
this is what the dealerships insurance said as to why they are not liable.
Quote:
After speaking with several mechanics, it appears that our insured did nothing wrong. Because our insured could not duplicate your concerns with the vehicle at the shop, they needed to take it on a test drive at highway speeds and press the brakes. There was no reason to believe or know that the vehicle was going to start on fire and they did everything possible to put it out.

As you are aware, your vehicle has an aftermarket turbo. Whoever installed, allowed it to touch the brake
line. Although the turbo is secured with straps, it still shakes when the car is being driven. The shaking caused the
brake line to fray and brake fluid eventually leaked and hit the exhaust, hence starting a fire.

[rbpwrd240]

Boy you guys are easily swayed by PR B.S. I guess you guys think the dealership is going to be honest. LOL

Dont you realize the delayed response time was so that they could come up with the best sounding story? I guess I cant blame some of you as our government has been run the same way for a lot of years and many that are blinded by the P.R. B.S. and propaganda continue to vote in idiots; so.... Not surprised people are buying this load of B.S. Too.

Facts are still clear. They saw break fluid noticed the line and still drove the car causing a fire. Now after the service they want to back out on the deal because they screwed up. They took the car on with the turbo its too late to say now that they aren't liable.

[STR8 H8N]

Well I guess I will finally post over here.

Isamu, I saw this on zilvia and was feeling generous that day so I took it upon myself to help you out. I think its crap what the dealership is trying to pull here.

Originally I saw the post in the DIW section of zilvia. I did my research and decided that to me you were in the right. I went ahead and followed the FB link so I could leave my poor review and a few nice messages for them as well.

I do apologize for the Gen Pop of Zilvia. Honestly us old crustys call them that because most of them are hoonigan, zip tie, stance crew, loosers that are mostly under the age of 26. Meaning they haven't fully developed their social skills and most of the time a well meant conversation with one simply ends in frustration. Watch, one will probably slander me over on zilvia for this post only to further prove my point....

I have noticed a much better comrodary over here and I knew when I made my post on zilvia to help you raise awareness that I was taking a risk at being attacked myself. Careful wording did help to mitigate the possible risks I was taking as you can see in the thread that I had to defend my words multiple times. Again this is usual over there. Supporting members like myself even have a separate private part of the forum for paying members just to get real helpful advice without the BS and to get away from the gen poppers.

Anywho, here is how the situation reads to me. The Dealership contacted their insurance and of course neither want to take responsibility for the incident however the dealership did take on the job which makes them liable. Insurance writes a nice well thought out reply that helps to push responsibility from them or their "insured". This is obviously the primary goal and honestly if I had wrote the reply it would have been a lot better wording that would have been much harder to call Bull ****. Honestly this isnt their best work and I would be upset that they are trying such simple tactics to push you off.

We need five techs on here that are willing to say the truth!!! That you dont drive a car with a visible and known break leak until you find the source of the leak and attempt a repair. If you see the leak happening what tech in their right mind would take the car out to highway speeds and risk stepping on the pedal in someone elses car? Idiots...

With the proper lawyers the techs statements and your insurance company backing you I bet this gets resolved quickly. Make sure you keep track of time lost at work all your mental anguish and any expenses associated with this now possible law suit.

Here is how the rest of us can continue to help.

Ryan Nissan is family owned and the Ryan family does own

Ryan Nissan
Ryan Honda
Ryan Chevy
Ryan Cadillac

Here is how you can leave google reviews for the other dealerships.
https://www.google.com/?ion=1&espv=2#q=ryan+minot+nd+car+dealership


And for the nissan dealership
https://www.google.com/?ion=1&espv=2...car+dealership

Hopefully you guys have more resolve then the zilvia folks and will stick this out a bit longer. We need some more noise. Dont stop helping now. Also making YELP reviews is very damaging. If they want to hold out we will hold fast. lets at least make sure people know the kind of people they are dealing with down the road.


Also one thing to note. Not everyone on zilvia was a hater many actually did post on the FB page and in private many more support your cause. Heck I even got some side skirt hardware from a member cause he was so impressed by my genuine good will. So not all zilvia members are trolls but there are so many bad members that most of the good members stay quite and in the shadows more often then not.

WOW and that was my first post over here.

[driftsucky]

Clearly you can't have an adult discussion. It's called pushing the car into the shop dumbass! Use your head and stop trying to flex your internet muscles. I was clearly trying to say that in certain situations one must take extra precaution. You know, kind of how your parents didn't by not using contraception.

Well played sir. Well played. The old "your parents should wear a condom" ruse. Timeless shennanigans. Timeless. The name calling. Spot on sir. Spot on. Hats off to your adult handling
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So, if someone DRIVES a car into your shop and then says "it'll catch on fire" (not that that happened, but since you didn't read the story, let's just assume it did), your next thought is to PUSH it when it runs and rives fine? Really? ooooooooooooooook.

[driftsucky]

I have a thought. People who don't agree with me are wrong. The dealership said they didn't do it. I don't agree with them saying that so they're wrong. I don't know how to spell the word "brake" in the proper context. Zilvians are a bunch of tools. Please spend your lives, as I have, contacting a dealership and posting nasty messages on their social media. Hopefully this'll go viral and I'll get on the local news.

fixed it for ya

[EDT007]

So, if someone DRIVES a car into your shop and then says "it'll catch on fire" (not that that happened, but since you didn't read the story, let's just assume it did), your next thought is to PUSH it when it runs and rives fine? Really? ooooooooooooooook.

They knew the engine bay was a fire hazard, they service manager made sure to point that out to me. He noted the fluid all over the turbo down pipe. Also, when I drove the car to the dealership, I had to drive slow, and downshift to slow down. There was little brake pressure. To claim they had no idea the car would catch fire is a slap in the face, and truly shows the lack of technical ability of the service center.

You clearly need your hand held with this conversation. YOU didn't read the full story/thread. The service manager KNEW of the leak and SAW the fluid on the car. This is the problem. They KNOWINGLY took the car out without repair and wondered how/why it caught fire. . To answer your question, if someone comes in with a leak of combustible fluid out of their car that I can visibly see, I don't care if they drove it there, I'll push it into the shop. Do your research before opening your mouth on something you clearly either can't read or comprehend.

[driftsucky]

You clearly need your hand held with this conversation. YOU didn't read the full story/thread. The service manager KNEW of the leak and SAW the fluid on the car. This is the problem. They KNOWINGLY took the car out without repair and wondered how/why it caught fire. . To answer your question, if someone comes in with a leak of combustible fluid out of their car that I can visibly see, I don't care if they drove it there, I'll push it into the shop. Do your research before opening your mouth on something you clearly either can't read or comprehend.

So, do brake leaks commonly catch on fire in your shop? I ask because I've seen brake fluid come out of cars and cars not catch on fire. Just trying to understand here.
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[EDT007]

That was your rebuttal :ugh:. I'll be happy to explain this to you. When a combustible liquid like brake fluid is introduced to a very high temperature, scolding piece of metal like a turbo manifold. Yes, it can ignite. Brake fluid does not burn like gasoline but more like a slow, oil burn and not easily put out. A turbo manifold can easily reach an excess of 700-1000 degrees. Just because you never witnessed or don't know something doesn't mean it can't happen. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. This wasn't just a leaking brake master or caliper.

On a different note. You seem really interested in my life. Relax. I'm not interested in getting to know you. Enjoy searching for Internet memes and trolling people's threads.

[STR8 H8N]

That was your rebuttal :ugh:. I'll be happy to explain this to you. When a combustible liquid like brake fluid is introduced to a very high temperature, scolding piece of metal like a turbo manifold. Yes, it can ignite. Brake fluid does not burn like gasoline but more like a slow, oil burn and not easily put out. A turbo manifold can easily reach an excess of 700-1000 degrees. Just because you never witnessed or don't know something doesn't mean it can't happen. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. This wasn't just a leaking brake master or caliper.

On a different note. You seem really interested in my life. Relax. I'm not interested in getting to know you. Enjoy searching for Internet memes and trolling people's threads.

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[driftsucky]

That was your rebuttal :ugh:. I'll be happy to explain this to you. When a combustible liquid like brake fluid is introduced to a very high temperature, scolding piece of metal like a turbo manifold. Yes, it can ignite. Brake fluid does not burn like gasoline but more like a slow, oil burn and not easily put out. A turbo manifold can easily reach an excess of 700-1000 degrees. Just because you never witnessed or don't know something doesn't mean it can't happen.
Nice. Thanks for that.


On a different note. You seem really interested in my life. Relax. I'm not interested in getting to know you. Enjoy searching for Internet memes and trolling people's threads.THAT'S my favorite part.

[BoostyMcZface]

so much hate still. if it was YOUR car, and for whatever reason you took it to a dealer with a known fire hazard issue and the dealer KNEW TOO, and they caught your car on fire... wouldn't you be pissed? lol...

I lolled @ STR8 H8Ns post on the370z.

[driftsucky]

so much hate still. if it was YOUR car, and for whatever reason you took it to a dealer with a known fire hazard issue and the dealer KNEW TOO, and they caught your car on fire... wouldn't you be pissed? lol...

I lolled @ STR8 H8Ns post on the370z.

I wouldn't take my car anywhere with a known fire hazzard. I would get it towed because that's what adults do. And if it caught on fire, I'd use insurance to cover my end, get a new car, and have a beer. What I would NOT do is post on the internet about it because what is that REALLY going to do. But, that's me. Some people are perfectly fine doing the thing they did. And hats off to those people.

[dizzariot]

I do apologize for the Gen Pop of Zilvia. Honestly us old crustys call them that because most of them are hoonigan, zip tie, stance crew, loosers that are mostly under the age of 26. Meaning they haven't fully developed their social skills and most of the time a well meant conversation with one simply ends in frustration. Watch, one will probably slander me over on zilvia for this post only to further prove my point....

I have noticed a much better comrodary over here...

*losers *camaraderie

At least us common-folk can spell.

[ixfxi]

I wouldn't take my car anywhere with a known fire hazzard. I would get it towed because that's what adults do. And if it caught on fire, I'd use insurance to cover my end, get a new car, and have a beer. What I would NOT do is post on the internet about it because what is that REALLY going to do. But, that's me. Some people are perfectly fine doing the thing they did. And hats off to those people.

But thats what doesnt make sense. Brake lines are not complex, they are pipes that go from one part of the car to the other. The only thing complex about them is the ABS system.

I would be more curious to know where the brake leak was and how it happened. Steel lines just dont fall apart on newer vehicles. We're not talking about a soft rubber line leading to a caliper, we're probably talking about a hard line in this situation. So how did the hard line get damaged, and who damaged it?

One of my customers had a brake leak from his S14 master cylinder. He kept telling me that the BMC was at fault. I checked the fittings and everything was tight as a drum. He kept leaking fluid (onto the exhaust manifold and frame rail, mind you) and the car never caught fire. Of course, he also had his heat shields installed - I dont recall seeing that on the Z-car. Anyway, the problem ended up being that the BMC's reservoir cap had a small split in it which would not allow the cap to tighten down 100%. When being driven hard at AutoX events, it would leak around the perimeter of the cap.

Ironically, when I found the problem I yelled at him and called him a moron. I told him to be more selective when he needs my help because something simple like a cracked cap is something he should have been able to figure out. Damn... we're a bunch of cold blooded bastards on this forum.

[ixfxi]

Reading the thread on Zilvia is quite entertaining. They get pissy so easily. Probably wish they could afford something other than a 20+ year old rust bucket. Glad I don't own one anymore.

^ i love how guys on the Z forum think we're all such poor broke asses that we can only afford a mere s-chassis. as if we dont work, have successful careers, or get this: own multiple cars or better yet, property(ies). i mean after all, the Z is such a superior car and nothing makes more financial sense than to go into debt just to own a Z!


Heck I'm 21 and My 09 370z in March 2015 was still $18500 after getting the asking price knocked down from 19,999. At my qualified 5.05% as a first time Auto Loan, but not new to credit customer, I'm paying about $394/mo for a car payment
After I got the car and looked at insurance, I pulled all my tips and tricks from being in the insurance business; my insurance was still close to $200/mo for a while until Loyalty Discounts increased, CA Good Driver Discount was added, and my Mileage discount was added. Now I'm paying about $150/mo for my Z and like $25 a month for my renter's policy. So still roughly $175 a month for insurance now
So without gas or maintenance on the car whatsoever, still have to be paying $550+/mo out of pocket.

550 a month........ for a car! thats awesome.

i love how jaded some car enthusiasts are. the more expensive a car you own - the higher up on the ladder you are as a successful person. "oh gee, i wish some day i too could own a GTR" ... pssh whatever.

[lunchmeat]

$550 a month for a 6 year old Nissan. Ha.

[dizzariot]

^ i love how guys on the Z forum think we're all such poor broke asses that we can only afford a mere s-chassis. as if we dont work, have successful careers, or get this: own multiple cars or better yet, property(ies). i mean after all, the Z is such a superior car and nothing makes more financial sense than to go into debt just to own a Z!



hahahahaha this x34,859,345. Perfect.

[ixfxi]

hahahahaha this x34,859,345. Perfect.

i'm just sayin....

its like these dudes think that the Doing It Wrong thread represents every s-chassis owner. you wont find my fucking car in that thread! it makes me cringe when i think that somehow i am associated with these broke 240 owners with multi-colored shit boxes.

anyway, i think i am going to head out to the nissan dealership early tomorrow morning. i am going to ask them how much deposit they want for me to get a 370Z. i think if i trade in all of my shitty cars, they'll sell me a slightly less shitty 370Z. you know, the car that uses the very rare VQ thats in practically ALL of the nissan/infiniti lineup. the car thats been long overdue for a make-over since its been in production since 2009. i've always wanted a car that has drive-by-wire, auto-rev-matching and an FRP core support. oh, and 19" wheels... that shits dope.

dont worry Z owners, our cars suck just as bad - auto seat belts, KA SOHC, shitty seats and plenty of rattles. give your cars time though. remember, the my350z forums used to be quite prestigious back in the day!


$550 a month for a 6 year old Nissan. Ha.

550 PLUS, to be exact. but dont forget the registration! renewal costs of a car that expensive are *SIGNIFICANTLY* higher than my shit bucket which costs <$100 to renew. and insurance, which i am sure they pay for full coverage while i have basic liability - again - since our cars are practically worthless in the eyes of the insurance company.

[Matej]

the more expensive a car you own - the higher up on the ladder you are as a successful person..
The further you fall when the ladder burns down.

[lunchmeat]

It would cost me $75 a month to make the 240 my daily. Tags and registration was a bank breaking $45.

[LockOn!]

^ i love how guys on the Z forum think we're all such poor broke asses that we can only afford a mere s-chassis. as if we dont work, have successful careers, or get this: own multiple cars or better yet, property(ies). .


Had a Z.

Was ghey.

Just bought another $800 S-chassis.

Not ghey anymore.


I prefer having a daily and a house to keep my shit in lol.





Any new info on this or are we just having a forum pissing contest now?

[dizzariot]

Had a Z.

Was ghey.

Just bought another $800 S-chassis.

Not ghey anymore.


I prefer having a daily and a house to keep my shit in lol.





Any new info on this or are we just having a forum pissing contest now?

The last one.

I read the updates on the Z forum. That 21yr-old kid seems like a fat cunt. I can't believe all these guys thinks it takes MORE effort to own a NEWER car. Blows my mind lol. I sold my newer (FRS) car just to get back into Nissans. Didn't know it made folks think I'm living hand-over-fist and paycheck-to-paycheck hahaha.

STR8H8N is doing a lot of cock-stroking over there. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll stay posting there.

The guy (Tim) is definitely right about how shitty the dealership is being but beyond that it seems weird. All of this is secondhand knowledge so getting a mob together via social media is 'meh' at best. At any rate I hope the car is fixed quickly. I mean even if the dealership doesn't pay he'll pay what, a $500ish deductible to fix the car? Seems like an okay-deal.

[lunchmeat]

The whole social media mob shaming is stupid. Honestly, if you weren't involved, then stay out of it. I will never understand why some people got to make drama when it isn't their business in the first damned place.

[BoostyMcZface]

I wouldn't take my car anywhere with a known fire hazzard. I would get it towed because that's what adults do. And if it caught on fire, I'd use insurance to cover my end, get a new car, and have a beer. What I would NOT do is post on the internet about it because what is that REALLY going to do. But, that's me. Some people are perfectly fine doing the thing they did. And hats off to those people.

dudes definitely an idiot for even driving it. that's what shit like AAA is for. but since it was already there, and they continued with the dumbassery, the last one to drive the hazardous car while knowing it was hazardous should be at fault. either way, insurance it up and like you said.

this blanket hating with the 370 group vs 240 group is dumb as fuck. having a 370 doesn't mean youre a moron, owning an s chassis doesn't mean youre a moron. but looking like an angry hater for no reason feeds into how a lot of other car communities view us.. yes, there are quite a few pompous assholes on the370z, and there are quite a few drift missile douchebags on here. both have their bad apples, and I left the 370z forum due to people thinking they're the shit cause of money. but at the end of the day its all Nissan, and there are a lot of great guys that own both 240 and Z34 cars. so yea.

[STR8 H8N]

The last one.

I read the updates on the Z forum. That 21yr-old kid seems like a fat cunt. I can't believe all these guys thinks it takes MORE effort to own a NEWER car. Blows my mind lol. I sold my newer (FRS) car just to get back into Nissans. Didn't know it made folks think I'm living hand-over-fist and paycheck-to-paycheck hahaha.

STR8H8N is doing a lot of cock-stroking over there. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll stay posting there.

The guy (Tim) is definitely right about how shitty the dealership is being but beyond that it seems weird. All of this is secondhand knowledge so getting a mob together via social media is 'meh' at best. At any rate I hope the car is fixed quickly. I mean even if the dealership doesn't pay he'll pay what, a $500ish deductible to fix the car? Seems like an okay-deal.

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[STR8 H8N]

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[STR8 H8N]

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[ixfxi]

Ryan Nissan service department is incompetent and unprofessional. They drove my friends NISMO 370Z, which was in their care to have a brake line leak fixed, 2 miles. That leak was near very hot exhaust components which was a fire hazard and my friends Z caught on fire. When he dropped it off the tech that he showed it to said he was lucky it didn't catch on fire on the way over to the dealership so the fire hazard was known yet they drove it 2 miles. Even if there wasn't a fire hazard they drove a car with a known brake fluid leak so there was a potential for the brake system to fail.

The "reviews" on facebook/google/yelp are interesting...

BTW, how many s-chassis owners are running top-mount turbo setups where the brake master cylinder is right next to the turbo. i've seen melted brake cylinder reservoirs before, but i dont recall seeing or hearing about our cars burning down to the ground due to this.

I still dont understand how it was OK for the owner to drive the car over, but not OK for the dealership to drive the car.


My friend is in the military and has very little time to enjoy his Z. Because of Ryan Nissan's incompetence he has to spend the summer with out his beloved sports car.

.............tear

[zombiewolf513]

BTW, how many s-chassis owners are running top-mount turbo setups where the brake master cylinder is right next to the turbo. i've seen melted brake cylinder reservoirs before, but i dont recall seeing or hearing about our cars burning down to the ground due to this.


Smoking and seized brakes at best

[zerodameaon]

Having a turbo won't void his warranty unless it causes the problem directly. If you install normal headers on your mustang and your brakes go out you are all clear as they are not related issues. If you install a turbo and manifold and they cause your brakes to fail because they constantly rub and push on fittings that's on you. People should look up Magnuson Moss, just having aftermarket parts won't void your warranty unless they cause the failure. Idk if his turbo actually caused the issue, or if the dealer just blamed it on the turbo to get out of being on the hook. It's a common tactic and sometimes it works on the uninformed owner.

[Magnezee]

Having a turbo won't void his warranty unless it causes the problem directly. If you install normal headers on your mustang and your brakes go out you are all clear as they are not related issues. If you install a turbo and manifold and they cause your brakes to fail because they constantly rub and push on fittings that's on you. People should look up Magnuson Moss, just having aftermarket parts won't void your warranty unless they cause the failure.

Agree, to an extent.


Misuse of the vehicle: This term can be interpreted in broad ways, and often includes racing/competition of any type, overloading the vehicle or off-roading. Potentially, anything outside of normal operation of the vehicle can be considered misuse. Some automakers will void your entire warranty for these infractions, and this decision is typically left to the discretion of the warranty administrator. Even if there is no proof but just signs of abuse, your warranty claim may be denied.

Hey, you went outside my OEM parameters, these engineers that we pay close to 6 figures work hard to get reliability, performance, emission, countless hours in RnD, you want to go fu*k around, its on you, we flagged you, good luck... (bitch... I would think they say that under breath)

[Kingtal0n]

BTW, how many s-chassis owners are running top-mount turbo setups where the brake master cylinder is right next to the turbo. i've seen melted brake cylinder reservoirs before, but i dont recall seeing or hearing about our cars burning down to the ground due to this.


I have seen uncountable sr swaps burnt to the ground because of the master cylinder. I jokingly call it the fire starter and warn everyone I see. you NEED to blanket, coat, wrap and protect and shield that 1500*F turbine from the plastic melty flame box

I thought that was common knowledge but you still see it happen I guess

[zerodameaon]

Agree, to an extent.


Misuse of the vehicle: This term can be interpreted in broad ways, and often includes racing/competition of any type, overloading the vehicle or off-roading. Potentially, anything outside of normal operation of the vehicle can be considered misuse. Some automakers will void your entire warranty for these infractions, and this decision is typically left to the discretion of the warranty administrator. Even if there is no proof but just signs of abuse, your warranty claim may be denied.

Hey, you went outside my OEM parameters, these engineers that we pay close to 6 figures work hard to get reliability, performance, emission, countless hours in RnD, you want to go fu*k around, its on you, we flagged you, good luck... (bitch... I would think they say that under breath)

Racing isn't a aftermarket part though. But you are correct that racing can and will bite you with a lot of companies.

[Magnezee]

Racing isn't a aftermarket part though. But you are correct that racing can and will bite you with a lot of companies.

But...BUT.. I see sale for sale ads that say, " because race car" ... hmmm fishy

[zerodameaon]

But...BUT.. I see sale for sale ads that say, " because race car" ... hmmm fishy

Ha they show them on tracks on TV right?

Joking aside Chevy said they will warranty cars broken on the track assuming they stay stock. Idk if this extends beyond just the Camaro though.

[Magnezee]

Ha they show them on tracks on TV right?

Joking aside Chevy said they will warranty cars broken on the track assuming they stay stock. Idk if this extends beyond just the Camaro though.

IDK, never heard that from them. I "broke" my dick railing four "ho's" in Michigan (upscale hotel/location) never got sympathy from the "big four". Luckily us cali folks have a decent emissions warranty and we rate girls on an entire different scale :P

[ixfxi]

Having a turbo won't void his warranty unless it causes the problem directly.

And your point as a whole is one that is debatable. If you go through the tender process of building a car from the ground up, you quickly see the short-comings of certain OEM parts and how they are the Achilles heel of the car. When that turbo increases wear, heat and stress on parts - i'll be damned if you're going to say "I still want my warranty." What the fuck are you guys smoking? We're not talking about an air intake here, we're talking about a turbo kit. Ever purchase *any* nismo part? Its a fucking joke. NISMO basically charges you up the ass and says "for race only, no warranty, go fuck yourself" and gives you a pretty sticker with a red "o" - thats what you get.

This is why I am calling the guy a douche, not because he has a twin turbo 370Z - but because he was inexperienced enough to take it to a GOOD tuner shop and like a moron, decided to even drive this hazard to the fucking dealer. I trust the dealer with servicing and maintaining a stock car, and nothing else. Unless you personally know the tech and the tech intimately knows your car, then its a fucking gamble. You cant expect some generic tech to understand modifications, these guys follow the NISSAN rules to the T.


I have seen uncountable sr swaps burnt to the ground because of the master cylinder. I jokingly call it the fire starter and warn everyone I see. you NEED to blanket, coat, wrap and protect and shield that 1500*F turbine from the plastic melty flame box

I am not saying that its not an issue, because I agree - its a problem which is why I wont ever go top mount. But if brake fluid was so combustible, this would be a HUGE problem. I mean 9/10 cars on Zilvia would be burnt to the crisp.

[STR8 H8N]

My wife was looking to buy a Nissan but after reading all these awful reviews we will be taking our business elsewhere.

[zerodameaon]

And your point as a whole is one that is debatable.

I won't quote the whole thing as I want to agree with you, any issue will likely get blamed on the turbo, and it might have been caused by the turbo anyways. The owner is also crazy to think his warranty claim will get approved. Mainly I was saying that simply having aftermarket parts won't void the cars warranty like I see so often posted. It actually has to cause the problems to void the warranty. It seems that in this case it very well might have caused it though.


As for the dealer techs, I drive a stock(for now) Fiesta ST, they are fucking clueless on what the car is. Sometimes dealer techs don't even know their stock cars for shit.

[ixfxi]

Thats the part about this story that sucks, no one is asking questions about how the details: what leaked, how did it leak, what caused it to leak - etc. Nah, lets just make a man-hunt and fuck that dealer over. These guys arent too bright. On top of that, I found this recent quote funny:

all those zilvia guys are giving them 5 star reviews now

"cant go to any lawyers, the entire town has turned against us"
"even zilvia has it out for us, giving the dealer 5-star reviews"

fucking morons. we have nothing better to do than make up fake reviews for some shitty redneck dealership in north dakota.

[driftsucky]

550 a month........ for a car! thats awesome.



550 a month for a car payment? So, he put absolutely NO money down and has a double digit interest rate? Good for him.

[BoostyMcZface]

550 a month for a car payment? So, he put absolutely NO money down and has a double digit interest rate? Good for him.

550 isn't that much for a newer car that's in the 40-50k range lol whats the price this guy paid for his Z have anything to do with him having issues at the dealership? I don't see how that's relevant in any way other than it seems to be breeding a lot of hate.

[STR8 H8N]

550 a month for a car payment? So, he put absolutely NO money down and has a double digit interest rate? Good for him.

you cant put moneys down when you need moneys for turbos

:picardfp:

[Mister.E]

These 370z guys sound like inexperienced morons. I'm talking about inexperience with life in general, not just cars. The posted comments make them sound like a bunch of "rich" kids who don't even know the first thing about their own cars.

[STR8 H8N]

contacted 09 370z nismo owner on autotrader

he was asking around 6k more than kbb

asked him why? and if he was obo

answer word for word text

"you have to consider that the nismo is a very limited edition and having one is a statement"

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[Mister.E]

"you have to consider that the nismo is a very limited edition and having one is a statement"


I stand corrected...it looks as though they know everything there is to know about their cars.


:picardfp:

[driftsucky]

I don't know how you DIDN'T see that. Clearly, the Nismo is the creme de la creme

[ixfxi]

550 isn't that much for a newer car that's in the 40-50k range lol whats the price this guy paid for his Z have anything to do with him having issues at the dealership? I don't see how that's relevant in any way other than it seems to be breeding a lot of hate.

its off topic

guy who's Z caught fire is not the same as the "finance king" who went through all the hoops and monthly payments just to own a Z.

im not knocking people who finance. i am knocking people who finance and consider themselves superior.

[Sileighty_85]

To me this sounds like the guy was trying pull a "Jalopnik Skyline Douche" maneuver.

Just finished installing the turbo kit and takes his car to the dealership for "maint" so that when the service workers work on his car, he hopes they will ride is dick when they test drive it or see his turbo kit.

[derass]

Japolink

haha you mean Jalopnik. It comes from the term jalopy, as in a shitty car. Like this guy's turbo Z.

[Sileighty_85]

haha you mean Jalopnik. It comes from the term jalopy, as in a shitty car. Like this guy's turbo Z.

haha whoops, Guess I was typing too fast, I even re read it a few times before posting and didn't even catch it lol

[zerodameaon]

Screw the Nismo, ~50k for a car that really only has a different body kit, tires and other shit vs the $29k version. You don't get more power, you don't get a stiffer chassis.

[lunchmeat]

Buy used 370z. Use the money that would have gone to getting a nismo for go fast bits. While nismo owners are making a statement, remind them that your car is faster and better handling for less money.

[zerodameaon]

Or buy something not 370z, though a used sport I turbo would be the only way in hell I end up in one. Even then maybe not.

[lunchmeat]

Honestly, I can't imagine myself owning a 370, 350, or even a G series. I just don't like the noise the v6 makes. Makes me cringe for some reason.

[BoostyMcZface]

imo the 370 isn't worth 40k in its stock form(I got a good deal on mine used or I wouldn't have bought it) and the Nismo especially isn't worth its price tag.. if it had 400 or so hp, like the mustang gt, Camaro ss, srt8, etc does in that price range, that'd be a game changer. it also drives me crazy when people buy something they have absolutely no idea about.. to the point you need a stealership to mess with a brake line, which should be a simple fix if you have something as complex as a twin turbo Z car.


ixfxi yeah.. financing isn't bad if you play it well and live within your means. a lot of people on there have all these shiny things they flaunt around, but with massive debts hiding behind them

[driftsucky]

I loved my G. And I financed my G. But, there's a long 240sx story behind how I even ended up with a G. The ONE thing I hated about it was that people would call my car a "build". It used to really piss me off because it was easily one of the most stock cars I've ever owned (just suspension, wheels, and maintenance)..but I guess that wasn't the cars fault.
When I had my 350Z TT, I, admittedly, didn't know as much about VQ's as I do now, but I had enough general car/turbo knowledge to not do stupid ish like this guy. And that car and all it's goodies were cash. But, I was single, military, single, kidless, single...uhhhhhhh....such good times.

[STR8 H8N]

Screw the Nismo, ~50k for a car that really only has a different body kit, tires and other shit vs the $29k version. You don't get more power, you don't get a stiffer chassis.

how about 52k for a used 14 base with turbos ?

http://www.the370z.com/370z-sale/114774-2014-base-w-sport-aam-tt.html

[MJenkins1101]

how about 52k for a used 14 base with turbos ?

http://www.the370z.com/370z-sale/114774-2014-base-w-sport-aam-tt.html

Now that's a steal. I wonder if he has a brake line leak?

[STEEZxIT]

this whole thread is like an insane asylum.



car is fire hazard
dealer plz fix
ok we will fix
kthnxbye
lets drive fire hazard car
car is fired now
not our fault
good luck sir thank u for choosing ryan dealership we suck

[driftsucky]

this whole thread is like an insane asylum.



car is fire hazard
dealer plz fix
ok we will fix
kthnxbye
lets drive fire hazard car
car is fired now
not our fault
good luck sir thank u for choosing ryan dealership we suck

interwebz rantz

[STR8 H8N]

this whole thread is like an insane asylum.



car is fire hazard
dealer plz fix
ok we will fix
kthnxbye
lets drive fire hazard car
car is fired now
not our fault
good luck sir thank u for choosing ryan dealership we suck


man drives car to dealer
car broken please fix
dealer test drives car to find problem
hot hot hot
dealer owes man new car?

[driftsucky]

man drives car to dealer
car broken please fix
dealer test drives car to find problem
hot hot hot
dealer owes man new car?
to the facebooks!!!

[TSL]

car is fire hazard
dealer plz fix
ok we will fix
kthnxbye
lets drive fire hazard car
car is fired now
not our fault
good luck sir thank u for choosing ryan dealership we suck



Guy modifies car badly so that very hot turbo is rubbing on brake lines.
Has wasted all money on financing car and shitty mods so can't afford to fix it.
Intead of taking it back to the people who did the fucked turbo install decides to take it to a dealer because everyone knows new car service departments are experts in aftermarket turbo kits.
Drives around in car with known problem.
Blames dealer because they were the last people to touch the car even though they had nothing to do with causing the problem.
Tells tear-jerking one sided story on facebook in an attempt to get support/sympathy and avoid all personal responsibility and shift the blame away from his own series of bad decisions.
Give money now pls.


Also lol at the thread title "One of our own" Haha wtf. So any random douche who happens to own a nissan is like a member of a secret club? Are we supposed to have a minute silence every time a 17yr old drifts their s-chassis into a kerb?

Fuck some of you people live in a fantasy world.

[STEEZxIT]

i think if you look at this whole situation subjectively, (that means without opinions, simpletons), you see that:



issue identified
vehicle brought in to rectify issue

at this point the vehicle is out of the owner's hands. now what happens next is murky. but the fact is,the vehicle caught fire while under the dealer's care. obviously the guy didn't roll up to the dealer like the human torch. in any case, the driver left the car not on fire.

something a dealer employee did indirectly or directly caused a fire. also, whats up with test driving the car before making the repair? how stupid? driving a known fire hazard vehicle is stupid, especially if you're the one who's supposed to fix it, and especially negligent to drive the vehicle before making any changes under the hood.

[ixfxi]

Also lol at the thread title "One of our own" Haha wtf. So any random douche who happens to own a nissan is like a member of a secret club? Are we supposed to have a minute silence every time a 17yr old drifts their s-chassis into a kerb?
Fuck some of you people live in a fantasy world.

haha thats exactly how I felt about the situation. its not like dude is an active member here on zilvia, he's just some random dude on the 370 forum. trust me, i am not happy that dudes car caught fire - but shit happens. i've had friends flip their car at a track event and there was less bullshit and crying, and thats a complete loss.


the fact is,the vehicle caught fire while under the dealer's care. obviously the guy didn't roll up to the dealer like the human torch. in any case, the driver left the car not on fire.

something a dealer employee did indirectly or directly caused a fire. also, whats up with test driving the car before making the repair? how stupid? driving a known fire hazard vehicle is stupid, especially if you're the one who's supposed to fix it, and especially negligent to drive the vehicle before making any changes under the hood.

Your logic makes sense on paper, but in the real world shit does not always work as you suggest. Ever work on a car that was not assembled or modified properly? You start working on making things better and everything you do results in things getting worse. Its the equivalent of leaving a jug of milk at the edge of the refrigerator door and then closing the door - the next person who opens it ends up with milk on the floor. Clearly, the person opening the door did nothing wrong, right?

I would be curious to see more photos or history of this turbo setup, who installed it and what shortcuts were made. Oh wait, nevermind - we're supposed to go rant online and leave nasty reviews because "one of our owns" vehicle caught fire.

[TSL]

haha thats exactly how I felt about the situation. its not like dude is an active member here on zilvia, he's just some random dude on the 370 forum.

That's the nissan life we live bro, gotta stick together.

I had to pour one out the other day when the lady down the street accidentally backed her pathfinder into the mailbox. RIP.

[STR8 H8N]

sounds like a scam artist

he knew what was going to happen

he poured the brake fluid/gasoline mix all over the motor

[BoostyMcZface]

And that car and all it's goodies were cash. But, I was single, military, single, kidless, single...uhhhhhhh....such good times.

this is the boat I'm in.. except for GF, but she's got a job and supports herself lol

ts the equivalent of leaving a jug of milk at the edge of the refrigerator door and then closing the door - the next person who opens it ends up with milk on the floor. Clearly, the person opening the door did nothing wrong, right?

but what if the person was told before they opened it, that the milk was about to spill and to be careful? then it would be on the person opening to be VERY careful, no matter how big of a dumbass the first person was for putting them in the situation in the first place

[STEEZxIT]

but what if the person was told before they opened it, that the milk was about to spill and to be careful? then it would be on the person opening to be VERY careful, no matter how big of a dumbass the first person was for putting them in the situation in the first place

this is my point exactly.

"i have an issue with my car, please fix it and be very careful. there is a fire hazard."


things that bunch my jimmies up are:



regardless of anything leading up to that moment, the vehicle was undamaged upon delivery to dealer and should have been returned to the customer, at the very least, in the condition it arrived.
the dealer did not have to accept responsibility for that vehicle, but they did as soon as they agreed to make any repairs and those keys hit the hand of an employee.

why did the car catch on fire? probably because the employee drove around before fixing the vehicle. if it were my employee, they'd be fired.

yes the customer drove to the dealership, but i'm willing to bet he limped it there. (thats why it didn't catch fire.) we have no information regarding the employee test drive, we only know that it happened.

[driftsucky]

this is my point exactly.

"i have an issue with my car, please fix it and be very careful. there is a fire hazard."


things that bunch my jimmies up are:



regardless of anything leading up to that moment, the vehicle was undamaged upon delivery to dealer and should have been returned to the customer, at the very least, in the condition it arrived. Sounds good, but a car that is ALMOST a fire hazzard or ALMOST can catch fire, when dropped off, isn't undamaged. It's just not on fire. That's the equivalent of pouring gasoline on the ground and throwing a match at someone and saying "catch the match or it's your fault that the ground is on fire". Driving 2 miles isn't enough to do something that isn't already close to done nor undo something that has already started. I know it's easier to blame the dealership as their pockets are fatter and people assume they could just write it off or claim it under insurance. But, even if that were accurate (it's not), it still wouldn't be their doing.

the dealer did not have to accept responsibility for that vehicle, but they did as soon as they agreed to make any repairs and those keys hit the hand of an employee. ...yeah, but only on the internet. In the real world, it doesn't play out the same way. Had it, he wouldn't need internet validation. He could've just hired a lawyer and moved on.



why did the car catch on fire? probably because the employee drove around before fixing the vehicle. if it were my employee, they'd be fired.
He drove it 2 miles. 1 mile away and 1 mile back. If you fired your employees for driving vehicles before fixing them, you wouldn't have a dealership because you'd never diagnose anything and the manufacturer would pull your franchising license because your CSI is in the toilet. But, you could still have a shop and be a "backyard mechanic". But, then you'd get sued and slandered on the interwebz and probably have to pay out of your wazoo in legal fees. However, again, in the real world, MANY cars are driven before fixing the issue because driving a car is part of diagnosis when no one INSTANTLY knows the issue (typically sounds that customers can't describe). If you ever receive an invoice of work completed from a dealership, somewhere on it, it will say mileage in and mileage out. That's because dealerships anticipate that there may be a time, on occasion, that they have to drive it.

yes the customer drove to the dealership, but i'm willing to bet he limped it there. (thats why it didn't catch fire.) we have no information regarding the employee test drive, we only know that it happened. Well, obviously, given the circumstances, we should pass judgement without any further information. That's clearly the best option as adults.

[STEEZxIT]

He drove it 2 miles. 1 mile away and 1 mile back. If you fired your employees for driving vehicles before fixing them, you wouldn't have a dealership because you'd never diagnose anything and the manufacturer would pull your franchising license because your CSI is in the toilet. But, you could still have a shop and be a "backyard mechanic". But, then you'd get sued and slandered on the interwebz and probably have to pay out of your wazoo in legal fees. However, again, in the real world, MANY cars are driven before fixing the issue because driving a car is part of diagnosis when no one INSTANTLY knows the issue (typically sounds that customers can't describe). If you ever receive an invoice of work completed from a dealership, somewhere on it, it will say mileage in and mileage out. That's because dealerships anticipate that there may be a time, on occasion, that they have to drive it.
Well, obviously, given the circumstances, we should pass judgement without any further information. That's clearly the best option as adults.

your sentence implies that i would fire someone for simply driving a car to diagnose an issue, you are taking my statement out of context. if my employee drives a known fire hazard vehicle before making any repairs or mitigating the fire risk, you are sure as fuck fired because you are a human idiot and should be sent away to live on a farm somewhere.

what was there to diagnose by driving?

when the issue is explained, clearly and concisely, to be a fire hazard, is your first course of action going to be to jump in and go for a spin to determine "oh yep, this will probably catch fire" ?

we have different opinions, i'm ok with that.

-an adult

[silviaks2nr]

Besides all the what ifs... Who cares, it's a 370z owner not a member of this forum. I don't get it. Lock this one up.

[driftsucky]

Besides all the what ifs... Who cares, it's a 370z owner not a member of this forum. I don't get it. Lock this one up.

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/9/92963/2810693-0853900898-thumb.gif
Solid response

[ixfxi]

when the issue is explained, clearly and concisely, to be a fire hazard, is your first course of action going to be to jump in and go for a spin to determine "oh yep, this will probably catch fire" ?

here's the kicker though, how would a car catch fire within a mile or two when its just a brake fluid leak. any mechanics here car to advise? i'd consider myself a mechanic and i can tell you that we're talking brake fluid here gentlemen, not fuel. i dont see how brake fluid would ignite in a mile or two. but, you know the temptation of test driving a TWIN TURBO 3-7-0-Z! AT FULL FUCKING THROTTLE WITH A CAR WITH QUESTIONABLE BRAKES is just too great! I can see the mechanic now, so excited to test drive this fucker!!!!!

Sarcasm aside, so what if the car caught fire - it didnt burn to the ground. Its not a total loss, it can be fixed. They'll cut him a check and life will go on.

[STR8 H8N]

here's the kicker though, how would a car catch fire within a mile or two when its just a brake fluid leak. any mechanics here car to advise? i'd consider myself a mechanic and i can tell you that we're talking brake fluid here gentlemen, not fuel. i dont see how brake fluid would ignite in a mile or two. but, you know the temptation of test driving a TWIN TURBO 3-7-0-Z! AT FULL FUCKING THROTTLE WITH A CAR WITH QUESTIONABLE BRAKES is just too great! I can see the mechanic now, so excited to test drive this fucker!!!!!

Sarcasm aside, so what if the car caught fire - it didnt burn to the ground. Its not a total loss, it can be fixed. They'll cut him a check and life will go on.

you dont read

it was a scam

he planned all this and wanted to sue from the get go

he needed the moneys for the turbos

[driftsucky]

...if my employee drives a known fire hazard vehicle before making any repairs or mitigating the fire risk, you are sure as fuck fired because you are a human idiot and should be sent away to live on a farm somewhere. Why'd you hire them then if you thought they were THAT stupid? It's not like the kind of stupid YOU'RE talking about just happens in a flash.


what was there to diagnose by driving? customer said he had no brakes. tech said, you got brakes.


when the issue is explained, clearly and concisely, to be a fire hazard, is your first course of action going to be to jump in and go for a spin to determine "oh yep, this will probably catch fire" ? Customer's always right and knows better than the trained professional? Yeah. That seems pretty accurate.


we have different opinions, i'm ok with that.

-an adult
ditto.

[rbpwrd240]

this whole thread is like an insane asylum.



car is fire hazard!!!
dealer plz fix???
ok we will fix. :)
kthnxbye.
lets drive fire hazard car!!!??!!!!
car is fired up now!!!!!
not our fault. :)
good luck sir thank u for choosing ryan dealership we suck. :)
:wavey:


^^^^
This!!!!

[STR8 H8N]

updates ?????