So I drifted at Buttonwillow...

[KA24DESOneThree]

Yup, ran the East Loop forwards and backwards four times for ~45 minutes each time. It was my first time ever truly drifting. Here's what I have to say:

The Car: I now know why everyone loves the S13 for drifting. Even for a newbie such as myself, I could choose any number of techniques to get sideways and the car was relatively benign. With my Sparco Sprint holding me in place, I wasn't really worried about bracing myself and just had tons of fun. The KTS coilovers did very well and the car was very responsive. Despite the flogging, it ran perfectly all day and I didn't have ANY problems with overheating. I was surprised I didn't bend anything; one time I had an off and ran straight into the concrete bit between the main pit road and Atlantic corner... I took it easy for half a lap to make sure the car was ok, and it was. I also had a blast pretending to be a DTM driver and bumping up on the curbing. With the drilled airbox, the car sounded great. Too bad the car is FILLED with dust now because of the massive dust clouds I drove through. (and created!)

The Track: Wheeee. Nice and twisty with a couple good straights to check braking power. The Cotton Corners were FUN because the car would get light and start low-angle drifting. I got some VERY NICE (in my opinion) drifts going on the Off-ramp and Atlantic corners going clockwise, and some pretty good drifts on the Atlantic corner going counter-clockwise. I also linked the Off-ramp and the following corner going counter-clockwise. I tended to take the Cotton Corners, Grapevine, and Club Corner mostly in a "grip" style because it was more fun and I didn't really feel like offing around there.

The Driver: Man, I think I did pretty well. I didn't spin *that* much, and a couple times I had a smooth exit. Most of the time, however, I had tankslappers at the end, sometimes resulting in a second, more exciting drift. (Or a spin) I considered it a great learning experience.

The Trip: Fark, it's a long ways away from Fallbrook. ~250 miles, 4 hours. Some pretty countryside along the 5 in certain places, though. Got up at 3:30AM, left around 4AM. After the event, I left around 5PM and got home around 8:45ish. I made fantastic time.

[holisticbeatz]

Damn, I wish I got to run the East Loop. I was at the West Loop, which wasn't so bad. Just too many straights and not enough turns. The Zorro-Z was the toughest, it's was a giant narrow lane Z and I couldn't connect my drifts until towards the end of the day when I got more comfortable. As far as the track goes, I got bored real fast with the West Loop.

Anyhow, I'll be making a post as soon as I get my video edited.

Steve, right? I'm so bad with names. It didn't occur to me to ask if I could go on a ride with you in your S13. Oh well.. maybe another time..

[RBS14]

^^^^^

that is exactly why I skipped the west loop event.

East loop is fun tho. Offramp is my favorite turn of all time. You can initiate as far back as your huevos will let you. Takes a lot of technique to get a super early initiation and keep a good line. love it.

[KA24DESOneThree]

HB... funny you should mention you're bad with names, because you remembered mine and I forgot yours. Heh. You wouldn't have been impressed with riding with me... and, frankly, I probably would've gotten nervous.

RBS- Going clockwise I didn't really initiate the drift until the geometric apex of the Off-ramp because I was always afraid of going off at the top. Even so, I was able to hold it for pretty long, and came within ~4in once of going off and decided to just stick it... I was proud because I didn't lose it. Going counterclockwise, I offed quite a few times while trying to mess with initiation... I started too early and didn't get sideways enough, so I just slid off. Other times, I'd just go with a very late apex and roll on throttle to get sideways, then let it snap back hard enough to initiate the drift for the next corner. I think Atlantic was my favorite corner, though... I had some very nice drifts through there, including one where I dropped the rear tires into the dirt at the end of it and just used it to my advantage. I felt really good about drifting around that corner because that's where the A run group was watching and I enjoy showing off.

[Var]

BUttonwillow is pretty awesome. Minimal danger and great track layout. I did my first event there a couple months ago. It was so awesome but i was pretty tired afterwards and the drive there and back SUCKS. I'm glad you had fun. I figured out sliding through turns at BW. Spent my next event(last sunday) learning transitions and feint. drift is overrated

[Andrew Bohan]

pink cars are overrated

[RBS14]

I had some very nice drifts through there, including one where I dropped the rear tires into the dirt at the end of it and just used it to my advantage.

Please do not do dirt drops at buttonwillow. When you go off, no power until you are back on track. They are seriously thinking about not letting any drift events in anymore because of track damage due to people dirt dropping. they wanna be "jdm tyte drifters" and shit, but it's just going to screw all the rest of us over. Just a heads up.

As for the early initiations, it just takes practice. Power helps too, but not mandatory. I really want to initiate earlier than I have in the past (the beginning of the little up hill when it's still pretty straight, going counter clockwise). I'm gonna work on it. But to initiate earlier I'm gonna have to stay in third longer which is hard in a na ka. the other direction is fun too cause you can drift the small left in 3rd then sluff all kinds of speed with the brakes and ebrake, shift into 2nd, and hit the off ramp. Try it next time you are there, its' great! But anyways, just takes practice (and knowing your car REALLY well).

Oh yea, off topic:
I went to the fusion meet a couple weeks ago when you wern't there, maybe you came after I left. but anyways, everyone there were complete posers. It was one of the biggest wastes of time i've ever had in my life. All kinds of retards bragging about how they flew off mountain roads trying to drift and fucked up their cars. It was obvious, none of them could drive worth shit, but loved to sit around and talk like they did. I'd still like to meet you, you actually go to track events. anyways, If you are gonna be there this week I might stop by to meet you. but otherwise I'll never go back, except to laugh at all the tards.

[blu808]

Yo :wavey:

[RBS14]

what up g? I'm tired of whoring zilvia, maybe i'll whore ncda now too.

[ootranceformeroo]

Please do not do dirt drops at buttonwillow. When you go off, no power until you are back on track. They are seriously thinking about not letting any drift events in anymore because of track damage due to people dirt dropping. they wanna be "jdm tyte drifters" and shit, but it's just going to screw all the rest of us over. Just a heads up.



yuup...its gonna suck if we keep messing up thier track..there wont be anymore drifting at buttonwillow so try and keep it clean. I sure do want more track events at buttonwillow...

[KA24DESOneThree]

If you think I tried to do it, you're mistaken... it was entirely on accident. I just carried too much speed and went slightly off track; hell, I'm not good enough to try and do it. I might not have even gotten both wheels off... I dunno. Every time I went off the track, I made sure to creep back on and not chew up the sides. I understand fully the track's stance about that and tried to be as nice as possible.

[RBS14]

If you think I tried to do it, you're mistaken... it was entirely on accident. I just carried too much speed and went slightly off track; hell, I'm not good enough to try and do it. I might not have even gotten both wheels off... I dunno. Every time I went off the track, I made sure to creep back on and not chew up the sides. I understand fully the track's stance about that and tried to be as nice as possible.

I wasn't sure so I just said something to make sure. In hopes that not only you would read it, but others also. :coolugh:

[TRUENOCOUPE]

I've been running Buttonwillow for the last 3 years. Grip and Drift. I learn most of my Drifting Skill and Grip skill at Button.

I can not choose between East and West cause both side you can learn lots of things.

On the East Its mostly third gear IMO and there is no slow speed for me to learn. Off Ramp is great going Counter. Coming from 3rd gear redline going down and making sure you don't go off and brake, gas, brake, gas, gas, gas. Its crazy.
Grapevine going Clockwise is crazy. I can actually lift off from 4th on the first turn and connecting the rest with third and second gear. I have went off at Grapevine atleast a thousand times and broke my $1000 bumper. eek:

West Loop is great. If I have to choose between East and West, I would pick the west.
Theres the Mazda Turn of where you can gain from 4th gear and trying to clear the whole turn. Too crazy.
Esses is is nice, Its good to maintain drift using only steering.

Buttonwillow is looking into if they should let Drifters back in their track again. Due to what happen to the past with a couple of 'drifting' org that don't give a flying shit about the track. All they care is MONEY MONEY AND MONEY.

Its fucking it up for the rest of us that wants to actually drift and learn.

-Al

[Flybert]

Al, I just dont understand though. I'm not sure if you are talking about JD's last event but is it that bad that we got some dirt on the track. I mean, that shit can be cleaned off. I understand the circumstances and everything and that there was a race the next day or something but shit, we didn't really mess up the track too much. I admit that there was a baseball size chunk of asphault that got broken off at Atlantic corner but that was about it. I'm not sure if the flag people were buttonwillow employees but I think they were and they should have said something about the dirt being a problem. I'm sure the next event there will be much better. It really did get better after that guy talked to us. I dont know what i'll do if they close buttonwillow to the drifters. It's just so damn fun.

[RBS14]

the dirt isn't near as big a deal as people dirt dropping. I heard lindsay bragging about it at charlie's just drift event as well as a bunch of other people. it's the 6" to a foot of track that isn't there anymore because people go off track and come back on under power. That's what the track manager told us anyways.

[Var]

I can not choose between East and West cause both side you can learn lots of things.



West Loop is great. If I have to choose between East and West, I would pick the west.



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Only this kind of idiot would drift on PM

[Andrew Bohan]

okay al, what do you have to say about that!?

[Var]

he flip flopped. hahahah

[Andrew Bohan]

his new name is Al Kerry :fruit:

[TRUENOCOUPE]

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Only this kind of idiot would drift on PM

Cause you are too pussy to drift in PM. Stop babying the car and actually drive that POS on what it supposed to.

I know a girl ONCE that drove a pink 240 likes theres no tomorrow at PM. Lewser.

[Andrew Bohan]

ahh just like a true politician. ignore the logic of conflicting previous statements and defend the accusation with a counteraccusation. gg!

[RBS14]

Cause you are too pussy to drift in PM. Stop babying the car and actually drive that POS on what it supposed to.

I know a girl ONCE that drove a pink 240 likes theres no tomorrow at PM. Lewser.

haha ur kidding right? everyone used to lie to her and tell her she was doing so good and she thought she was really drifting. too bad, nobody ever gave her a wakeup call and taught her the difference between gripping and drifting. :2f2f:

[Var]

haha ur kidding right? everyone used to lie to her and tell her she was doing so good and she thought she was really drifting. too bad, nobody ever gave her a wakeup call and taught her the difference between gripping and drifting. :2f2f:


:p that's not very nice

i do hope i'm making good use of the car though.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Vid soon. Stay posted.

[KA24DESOneThree]

http://flipty.com/leadpipe/steve/buttonwillow001.wmv

Right click, save as. ~15k/sec for 37MB. Grab yourself a snack. I'm the guy with the "Neotech Imports" sticker across the back; Silvia-front-ended coupe.

[JaeTea]

Is that a race course in the middle of the desert????

That shit is retarded with it half covered in dirt and dust.

I'm sure it makes drifting easier but it looks like you could lose control at any minute!

[KA24DESOneThree]

You don't lose control if you don't drive like an ass... sure, you get all sideways in the dirt and the car CAN understeer like a mofo, but it's actually pretty good for learning how to drive in adverse conditions. The dust and dirt made getting sideways child's play and allowed me to pull off some looooong drifts my first time out. After a few cars go through, the line is clean anyway.

[holisticbeatz]

Here's my video http://www.tomsusa.com/smogcheckok/brdrift091704.mpg

[nokeone]

haha ur kidding right? everyone used to lie to her and tell her she was doing so good and she thought she was really drifting. too bad, nobody ever gave her a wakeup call and taught her the difference between gripping and drifting. :2f2f:


hahahhaha awesome..

i did though!..i even offered to help her...she refused...

[Var]

yeah yeah..just stop talking about her. I dont know if she's around or not and she's choosing not to reply, but you can be respectful and keep it to yourself.

[JtWo]

:werd: to Var's response

[KA24DESOneThree]

Stop jacking my thread or, to borrow a phrase, I'll drift on your face.

[nokeone]

yeah yeah..just stop talking about her. I dont know if she's around or not and she's choosing not to reply, but you can be respectful and keep it to yourself.


hahah..oh please...stfu..i happen to be very good friends with her...

we're not talking shit...we're stating fact..she herself admitted she should stick to gripping....

[Var]

Either way. I dont know her as well as you but i wouldnt want anyone talking about me when i'm not around to say anything about it. I apologize.

[RBS14]

your thread is dead anyways, who cares. haha ur gonna drift on my face. you'll never be able to catch me to do it in my beast of a ka powered car.... haha

[KA24DESOneThree]

KA versus KA... seems like a good match. I'll be seeing you at Vegas, then?

[Dousan_PG]

you guys talking about her? haha
wtf where is she
doesnt she owe me money
i gotta dig up her number and call her, havnt hung out in AGES
shit

anyways...i remember when she was so happy to show us her pink car the few days after it was done. awesome. i was so impressed. SO COOL

[RBS14]

nope, not going to vegas. I'm going to be wasting tires at the touge for a while. Over events for now, can't stand waiting in line. Unless it's one of Al's events, then I'm in there like swimwear.

Aaron, stfu. you just wanna jump her bones you horny bastard. :naughty: we call you dirty d for a reason........

[Dousan_PG]

roflmao

you funny
no endlink for you!!!!
muhahahahahahahahaha

[thx247]

Nov 22nd....east loop. Al is being very patient waiting for me, its my fault it was not announced sooner. Tell your boss your taking monday off to recover from the drift showoff...;)