The banning of vehicle modifications / race car conversions

[Krazykouki]

Call to arms to get everyone involved to stop stupid $hit like this from happening. :rant2:

https://www.sema.org/news/2016/02/08/epa-seeks-to-prohibit-conversion-of-vehicles-into-racecars
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/tell-epa-withdraw-its-proposal-prohibit-conversion-vehicles-racecars-0

[exitspeed]

Instead of manning up and going after China, where you can't see across the street some days, the EPA wants to outlaw a hobby of every day citizens. I would point fingers but whats the point.

[Green Arrow]

Thanks obama

[iJDM]

I agree with you OP, however I think it's an uphill battle for the EPA. Are they going to stop any "off road use only" aftermarket support for every vehicle ever made? Would be tough to do and probably take a long time.... Just my guess

[zenkicpe]

Some serious ass, ass problems...

[exitspeed]

I agree with you OP, however I think it's an uphill battle for the EPA. Are they going to stop any "off road use only" aftermarket support for every vehicle ever made? Would be tough to do and probably take a long time.... Just my guess

It would be logistically impossible to remove any and all previously produced aftermarket parts in the country, but what they could do is make regulations that would make it virtually impossible for aftermarket companies to exist after the regulations are put in place. If say aftermarket parts needed certain amount of testing to comply with the new regulations it would make the parts more expensive, provide less of a performance increase and irrelevant. This would cost thousands upon thousands of jobs and close countless small and medium size businesses.

Now, you have to think of how much money the auto manufacturers have invested in performance models aimed at people who want to mod them. Everyone from Huyndai to Cadillac has performance models and divisions which spend billions of dollars in r&d, marketing, talent, etc etc. Besides SEMA I would think the auto industry would stand against this kind of overreach, especially with no actual evidence that this will even make the tiniest difference towards their "goal".

It's a stretch for this to happen. However, like any government regulation, they will probably pass a smaller regulation now, with hopes of many smaller regulations in the future to achieve this over the long term.

[scottie]

Aftermarket products and "off road use only" items probably result in 0.005% of Green House Gas emissions. I guess now that they have regulated the energy industry they are going after the automotive industry including the aftermarket. Just like the 2nd Amendment, this is government overreaching at its finest.

[2muchboost]

Not one for politics but irony in the governments action is pretty outrageous. I work in the Safety/Environmental Engineering field and can tell you Scottie is right. These types of mods are less than 1% of the emissions issues and pollution. I cant rant on and on about other sources and how obviously damaging they are yet the blind eye is turned to that.

[Krazykouki]

The only thing I can really do about it is spread the word. I fear that if most are quiet about it, we'll all end up driving Prius's....I had a nightmare one time that I owned a Prius.

[exitspeed]

Aftermarket products and "off road use only" items probably result in 0.005% of Green House Gas emissions. I guess now that they have regulated the energy industry they are going after the automotive industry including the aftermarket. Just like the 2nd Amendment, this is government overreaching at its finest.

I'd argue it's even less than .005%. All the regulations and changes we've made over the last 30 years has apparently done 0 to effect "global warming/climate change". 2015 was the "hottest yearly record".

[Jorgs_7]

Sounds like they would just tighten up on already "off-road use only" part sales?

[dsastr_clan]

someone in the EPA saw one of them coalie guy videos, i wouldnt mind if they ban 'em

[STEEZxIT]

i really did have a nightmare that i owned and drove a prius.

[STEEZxIT]

if this goes through, i will be shopping around for new citizenship.

[Levan. B]

Signed it.

[2muchboost]

Global warming aside there are plenty of KNOWN pollution sources that are approved for the sole reason that "they drive the economy." Again I dont have to get into details but some of the data and information is what I analyze for work and can promise you that is the least of the worries when it comes to environmental concern.

[ZenkiKid]

Not one for politics but irony in the governments action is pretty outrageous. I work in the Safety/Environmental Engineering field and can tell you Scottie is right. These types of mods are less than 1% of the emissions issues and pollution. I cant rant on and on about other sources and how obviously damaging they are yet the blind eye is turned to that.

no joke Ive heard that Cow shit is a bigger issue with emissions/green house gases than cars do.

[Highway Riding]

Signed! Next you will have to mark down how much steak you eat per week and how many sugars in your coffee.

[Gingersmurf]

no joke Ive heard that Cow shit is a bigger issue with emissions/green house gases than cars do.

Actually, it is the methane produced from cows (farts) The amount of cows (US Alone) that is needed for beef for human consumption far outweighs the GH Gasses the cars in the world produce. There has been talks about putting domes over major farms to trap the gasses, and pulling them into vessels or storage containers to be used later as a fuel of some sort. The major issue is the absence of natural light, the heat from the cows and sun, and the possibility of exploding the whole damn farm.

Food for thought.

[STR8 H8N]

this is old news

[Cash]

Actually, it is the methane produced from cows (farts) The amount of cows (US Alone) that is needed for beef for human consumption far outweighs the GH Gasses the cars in the world produce. There has been talks about putting domes over major farms to trap the gasses, and pulling them into vessels or storage containers to be used later as a fuel of some sort. The major issue is the absence of natural light, the heat from the cows and sun, and the possibility of exploding the whole damn farm.

Food for thought.

Maybe just attach a balloon-type gas capturing device to each cow's asshole.

[exitspeed]

Autoblog received a statement from the EPA. The gist is if you have removed things like your cat or reflashed your ECU you are already breaking the law.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/09/epa-racecar-emissions-illegal-update-official/

[Corbic]

no joke Ive heard that Cow shit is a bigger issue with emissions/green house gases than cars do.


12 largest container ships pollute more in one year then all the worlds cars combined.

Want to stop pollution? Shutdown all manufacturing in Asia. Force regulations that all products sold in the US and Europe must be made in accordance with US/EU standards of safety, welfare and environmental regulations.

Game Over.

[OBEEWON]

I'm for this bill because race cars you can't drive on the street are dumb.
They need to write into it no tube chassis too.

[Gingersmurf]

Autoblog received a statement from the EPA. The gist is if you have removed things like your cat or reflashed your ECU you are already breaking the law.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/09/epa-racecar-emissions-illegal-update-official/

That has to just about every single race car that currently exists. Any word on stand alone ECU's or Non-OEM ECU's? Engine swaps that have a different ECU from the shell but still OEM un-tuned? Even the pro racing teams use modified ECU's. I'm not completely sold on this actually going through, too many variables i think

[EDacIouSX]

effin government.

[exitspeed]

12 largest container ships pollute more in one year then all the worlds cars combined.

Want to stop pollution? Shutdown all manufacturing in Asia. Force regulations that all products sold in the US and Europe must be made in accordance with US/EU standards of safety, welfare and environmental regulations.

Game Over.

Exxxxxatly. O*#%a and the EPA rather shit on our economy and our citizens then put pressure on China because we owe them so much fucking money. :picardfp:

[Matej]

If say aftermarket parts needed certain amount of testing to comply with the new regulations it would make the parts more expensive, provide less of a performance increase and irrelevant. This would cost thousands upon thousands of jobs and close countless small and medium size businesses.
No more Godspeed. :(

[Aeroscraper326]

Lololol Matej RIP godspeed

[Krazykouki]

R.I.P motorsports in general.

[exitspeed]

Again, the chances of this happening to the extent they are talking is a long long long shot. There will be some kind of "step" in that direction though, you can count on that.

The fact that Millennials don't give a shit about cars isn't a good thing for motorsports distant future though. At least not as far as the internal combustion engine goes.

[Kuma]

Actually, it is the methane produced from cows (farts) The amount of cows (US Alone) that is needed for beef for human consumption far outweighs the GH Gasses the cars in the world produce. There has been talks about putting domes over major farms to trap the gasses, and pulling them into vessels or storage containers to be used later as a fuel of some sort. The major issue is the absence of natural light, the heat from the cows and sun, and the possibility of exploding the whole damn farm.

Food for thought.

Bags are the solution. I don't know how cost effective it is, but I think it might be better than drilling like they did the past few years. I don't care what the oil/gas companies paid geologists are saying... The intensity and frequency of powerful earth quakes in Oklahoma are related to the fracking.
http://www.motherjones.com/files/discovery-mst-630px.jpg



Suspension mods don't affect emissions... I guess every enthusiast will either be stanced or lifted.

[Hoffman5982]

You guys are pretty fucking stupid if you think this could ever possibly happen.

Even more stupid if you think a change. org petition would have any effect if it were to happen.

[kashira kureijii]

cows aren't the problem, you guys realize there was like 65 million buffalo before, eating only grass ( the digestion of fibers produces more methane). There are less cows now than there ever was before, Less than there was buffalo in 1800. this is because cows and agriculture in general have gotten much more efficient. we are feeding several times the amount of people with fewer animals.
People in cities love to use agriculture as a scapegoat, despite it being the only reason they are alive now.

I would know, I have a degree in cow science or whatever.

Seriously though, they should send all this shit to china, I think something like 3/4 of L/A pollution blows over from china or some cray shit.

I bet even if the law does goes into effect people will just selectively enforce it like the already do the current rules hahaha

[exitspeed]

You guys are pretty fucking stupid if you think this could ever possibly happen.

Even more stupid if you think a change. org petition would have any effect if it were to happen.

Considering Motor Trend, C&D, Autoblog have articles about it and the EPA has released responses to it, people are taking it pretty serious.

Again, whatever is decided in July will just be steps towards their bigger goal.

[mhubeny180sx]

cows aren't the problem, you guys realize there was like 65 million buffalo before, eating only grass ( the digestion of fibers produces more methane). There are less cows now than there ever was before, Less than there was buffalo in 1800. this is because cows and agriculture in general have gotten much more efficient. we are feeding several times the amount of people with fewer animals.
People in cities love to use agriculture as a scapegoat, despite it being the only reason they are alive now.

I would know, I have a degree in cow science or whatever.

Seriously though, they should send all this shit to china, I think something like 3/4 of L/A pollution blows over from china or some cray shit.

I bet even if the law does goes into effect people will just selectively enforce it like the already do the current rules hahaha

lol you sure are cute. love your posts.

[LowMA70]

While I see this is making the rounds on the internet. This won't pass. I think people lose sight of how much money is actually invested into the US economy. And how much it will fuck it up

Let's look at it from multiple view points

Stores that stock aftermarket parts

JEGS
Summit racing
Enjuku racing
Fr sport
Ace up motorsports
Ect.
These company's will go out of business.

Already losing MILLIONS of not billions combined, thousands of jobs lost

Then let's look at the actual company's
Edlebrock
Holley
Comp cams
BC
Crower
Paxton
NOS
Roush
Shelby
Off road stuff to

Agains MILLIONS of not billions again lost. Thousands of jobs lost

Then you have to look at a material and machine lost

All the metal company's, and machine company's loose millions and lose jobs from lack of aluminum, titanium, cast iron not being used.

Not to mentions the machinest industry loosing millions
On lathes, CNC, chrome plating
Plasma cutters. Those company's stand to lose money too

Then ALL of the racetracks and safety gear company's

Laguna seca
Road Atlanta
Sonoma raceway
Daytona
Every small track or drag strip

Stand to lose MILLIONS.

Then finally. The small guys
PBM
Knight garage
Cortex racing ect
All make parts, and turn normal cars into track cars go out of business

There is SOO much money into the racing of vehicles on US soil. This can't possibly go into actual affect

[turboshoebox]

The EPA needs to be worried about Volks*SNIP* first with their thousands of STOCK TDIS and other models that they had to cheat the system to pass emissions...

User pinked for 1 week

[ixfxi]

12 largest container ships pollute more in one year then all the worlds cars combined.

Want to stop pollution? Shutdown all manufacturing in Asia. Force regulations that all products sold in the US and Europe must be made in accordance with US/EU standards of safety, welfare and environmental regulations.

Game Over.


Wait. You mean do as what you suggest which happens to make perfect, logical sense? NO WAY. No chance a politician would be able to conceptualize, let alone fathom understanding the above.

The politicians writing these laws are too busy enjoying the parts that are made globally, with no interest in global pollution. As long as the pollution is on *that* side of the globe and they have the latest apple gadget - they're happy!


You guys are pretty fucking stupid if you think this could ever possibly happen. Even more stupid if you think a change. org petition would have any effect if it were to happen.

I agree. The gears are constantly turning and we have little to no effect.


....jfkdjfkld...

Shut the fuck up and go play with your wheel spacers.

[tuzzio]

I don't actually believe that something like this will ever pass through, but if it does, im going to start hoarding catless exhausts through my work.

[Corbic]

I don't actually believe that something like this will ever pass through, but if it does, im going to start hoarding catless exhausts through my work.


Why? Anyone can make one with a $90 harbor freight welder.

That's why this is kinda stupid.

What is a "race car"?

Do coilovers make my car a race car? Do adjustable control arms?

How are they going to stop me from removing my EGR, Cat, welding up a cage and tuning my ECU? That requires local enforcement and that means annual inspections.

That's lots and lots of money. Money that should be spent on police body cameras and preventing extrajudicial killings... Not worrying about how much camber I run.


The only way this works is if they force organizers and sanctioning bodies to no longer allow VIN based cars. This means no more SCCA Miata Spec Racing, No More NHRA drag racing, No More NASA Iron-X and No More Formula Drift.

[Corbic]

Honestly, we can probably thank the Missile/Hoonibich trend...

People see this...

http://i.imgur.com/oYBPWXC.jpg

...and go "what the fuck!?!"

The response they get is "Yo, Chill the Fuck Out, it's my Race Car"!

And now people want to ban "Race Car".

[jaysgottaredtop]

EPA statement yesterday:
The proposed regulation that SEMA has commented on does not change this long-standing law, or approach. Instead, the proposed language in the Heavy-Duty Greenhouse Gas rulemaking simply clarifies the distinction between motor vehicles and nonroad vehicles such as dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Unlike motor vehicles – which include cars, light trucks, and highway motorcycles – nonroad vehicles may, under certain circumstances, be modified for use in competitive events in ways that would otherwise be prohibited by the Clean Air Act.

Based on that bolded section:
Motor vehicle = cars, trucks, and street bikes
Nonroad vehicles = dirt bikes and snowmobiles (and probably ATVs, lawn mowers, etc.)

It sounds like they're saying our cars are still classified as motor vehicles - not nonroad vehicles - even if dedicated to nonroad use.


From elsewhere in the EPA statement:
People may use EPA-certified motor vehicles for competition, but to protect public health from air pollution, the Clean Air Act has – since its inception – specifically prohibited tampering with or defeating the emission control systems on those vehicles.

Sounds pretty explicit: We must retain factory emission crap, even if our cars are dedicated track cars.

Lame :down:

Here's to hoping they continue to not enforce it. Otherwise, RIP every dragstrip and road course in the US.

[Corbic]

Race Car

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--b8GZ5CqU--/19ak1kmqe40kdjpg.jpg

[Corbic]

Sounds pretty explicit: We must retain factory emission crap, even if our cars are dedicated track cars.

Lame :down:

Here's to hoping they continue to not enforce it. Otherwise, RIP every dragstrip and road course in the US.


Enforcement becomes the problem.

How?

5 states have rigorous and expensive testing procedures. Many defeat these regularly by various means.

I don't see the rest other states lining up to join them short of a Congressional mandate based on Federal Funding.

Even then. Someone should make an issue of it as "why emission test when local governments can't afford schools, highway repairs, clean drinking water and body cameras for police? "


Clean water is more important than cleaning up a few thousand vehicles.

[jaysgottaredtop]

Enforcement becomes the problem.

How?

Step 1: Show up to any dragstrip/auto-x/drift event
Step 2: Pick a car, any car
Step 3: Pop the hood
Step 4: Visually confirm it's missing the cat, the evap canister, or whatever else
Step 5: Impound
Step 6: Pick another car, repeat steps 3-5

Our government has no problem budgeting money towards needlessly messing with people. Just ask the DEA, the TSA, etc.

[KAT-PWR]

Step 1: Show up to any dragstrip/auto-x/drift event
Step 2: Pick a car, any car
Step 3: Pop the hood
Step 4: Visually confirm it's missing the cat, the evap canister, or whatever else
Step 5: Impound
Step 6: Pick another car, repeat steps 3-5

Our government has no problem budgeting money towards needlessly messing with people. Just ask the DEA, the TSA, etc.

Fuck twelves.

[Silverbullet]

Honestly, we can probably thank the Missile/Hoonibich trend...

People see this...

http://i.imgur.com/oYBPWXC.jpg

...and go "what the fuck!?!"

The response they get is "Yo, Chill the Fuck Out, it's my Race Car"!

And now people want to ban "Race Car".



This nailed it. I don't think the real issue is emissions. Its tuner cars on the street.

Just wait until we start tuning Tesla Model S and 3's.

[Cash]

Honestly, we can probably thank the Missile/Hoonibich trend...

No way. I'm not defending that trend, but think bigger. That micro segment of trash cars has no material sway on EPA policies and opinions. Not buying it.

It would make more sense that this is directly related to the democratic party's focus on building a clean energy future. As the party has stated, "climate change is one of the biggest threats of this generation." This drives these types of policies. Think Energy Tax Credit, future MPG efficiency targets, and the recently proposed $10/barrel tax on oil to drive private sector innovation in clean energy technologies. The party has pledged to reduce emissions domestically by "regulation and market solutions."


What I see as a more realistic approach to cut down on "race car" modifications would be to tax the bejeebus out of aftermarket parts. You can either outlaw it, spend loads enforcing the law, and make us all criminals, or you can incentivize us to find a more environmentally friendly hobby. :keke:

[Gingersmurf]

Just wait until we start tuning Tesla Model S and 3's.

I cannot wait.
There is already a market for uploading new codes to these cars (oh wait... EPA) and they are cranking out serious power. There are also people 'overclocking' it, for more power, again with code.

[STEEZxIT]

this is a hobby, why expend so much effort going after such a relatively small portion of the population? how much dirtier are the emissions from an sr20 than those of a bone stock ka24? this is insanity and a step way too far. i chance it to say that we should go untouched in this new era of "cleaning up", as our contribution to pollution is so small that it is negligible.

i like the banning of items manufactured in dirty factories.

[scottie]

EPA Bankrupts Auto Industry............ because racecar.

[Silverbullet]

I cannot wait.
There is already a market for uploading new codes to these cars (oh wait... EPA) and they are cranking out serious power. There are also people 'overclocking' it, for more power, again with code.

Some software updates, and upgraded cooling for the motor is pretty much all you need. Only issue is whenever Tesla releases an update, it'll clear the existing lol.


Specs for the Model 3 are not yet released, but I have my eye set on a used Model S as my next car. Its fast enough stock honestly. I just want the auto pilot feature.

[exitspeed]

Really great article on Autoblog.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/10/epa-regulations-lemons-racing-opinion/

[Corbic]

Step 1: Show up to any dragstrip/auto-x/drift event
Step 2: Pick a car, any car
Step 3: Pop the hood
Step 4: Visually confirm it's missing the cat, the evap canister, or whatever else
Step 5: Impound
Step 6: Pick another car, repeat steps 3-5

Our government has no problem budgeting money towards needlessly messing with people. Just ask the DEA, the TSA, etc.


Who is going to show up?

Local PD? Feds have to convince them to do that.

Pop the hood?

How is a pig that barely graduated from HS going to know what is what?

[Corbic]

No way. I'm not defending that trend, but think bigger. That micro segment of trash cars has no material sway on EPA policies and opinions. Not buying it.
:


I disagree.

The tuner scene is very visible and catches lots of attention.

Look at all the Dapper Dandies getting tickets at H20 and how those antics get national media attention. Tuners are easy targets. Shitty looking cars, loud exhausts "omfg, they wake up the neighborhood, they pollute with illegal performance mods, they street race and kill children".

Democrats? Their more likely to block efforts on shale oil, coal industry, demand carbon credit exchanges...


The real automotive culprits? The OEMs like Volkswagen who've been cheating the system for years.

[tuzzio]

I cant stand the average 24 hours of lemons racer, literally, every one of them cannot shut the fuck up about it for 5 seconds.

They're like vegans of the car world.

[exitspeed]

Who is going to show up?

Local PD? Feds have to convince them to do that.

Pop the hood?

How is a pig that barely graduated from HS going to know what is what?

From the article on Autoblog I just linked to.

my experiences putting on LeMons races in New Jersey, where the state inspects racing seat harnesses and police can give racers moving-violation tickets for things that happen on the track. In this scenario, officers of the Suede Denim Secret Police show up at your crapcan race, inspect your 1967 Pontiac Executive wagon race car that's missing its PCV system, compares its emissions-related equipment to a gigantic database, and feed the car into the Porta-Crusher right on the spot when it turns out to be modified.

He goes on to say:

If no enforcement mechanism is put into place, then business as usual in crapcan racing will continue; with no Suede Denim Secret Police to swarm the paddock with their Landmasters and start checking under hoods, the racing of ex-street cars will continue as before.

And finishes with:

What to do? No matter what is going on here, if you enjoy watching or participating in any form of racing based on former or current street vehicles, you might consider abandoning your blowed-up race car on the lawn of your nearest elected representative. No, wait, scratch that — just go ahead and contact your senators and congresshumans, and let them know you take a deep interest in this subject and would like to see the EPA's proposed regulations clarified and competition vehicles exempted from its provisions.

[Corbic]

this is a hobby, why expend so much effort going after such a relatively small portion of the population?


Low hanging fruit.

It's visible (as I stated above) and it doesn't have single huge money backers.

OEMs don't give a shit since it will force you to buy their performance parts and cars.

Companies that do care, Hooker Headers for example, doesn't have any clout or money to block this style legislation.

Now if the EPA was out to get Exxon Mobile, Google or General Electric, in a matter of days the EPA would be paying fines to those companies.

[Corbic]

From the article on Autoblog I just linked to.







He goes on to say:







And finishes with:


Stupid article is stupid.

First, Fuck New Jersey. They can't even pump their own gas and are part of the 5 states that give a fuck about emissions.

Seconds, Fuck Lemons

Third, 1967 anything does not have emissions equipment and is not subject to emissions inspection in ANY STATE. (> 1972)

Finally, many states (and maybe federally) allow vehicles to fall out of compliance based on age and value. No one expects a struggling farmer to put a $500 cat on his $500 '82 Dodge Ram*.


*except shit holes like California, New York and Jerzy

[Cash]

That stuff may effect local, or even state laws. I don't see it being a driving force to EPA policy proposal.

This is a sub section of a larger proposal to reduce vehicle emissions. My guess is a bunch of idealistic twats wasted tax money sitting in a room brainstorming ways to reduce vehicle emissions. So in that way, yes, perhaps one of those twats is irritated by the tuner scene, and threw that idea into the pot.

[Gingersmurf]

I cant stand the average 24 hours of lemons racer, literally, every one of them cannot shut the fuck up about it for 5 seconds.

They're like vegans of the car world.

Bad apples.
Tons of people use lemons to get track time in autoX cars, they get a ton of penalty laps, but get to race and have fun. There was a fully built rx7 out one race i was at that actually got 'half a billion' penalty laps. Basically he was allowed on the track for test and tune, which is what he wanted.

there is the people that get out and race moving piles of scrap metal, which is more chumpcar than lemons, much more aggressive, cheat-y, and crappier cars.

Just putting it out there

[tuzzio]

Bottom line:

In the state of MA, which is reside, my S13 is emissions except by 11 years. Anything older than 15 years, just gotta pass safety.

[jaysgottaredtop]

State laws, yeah. But this EPA stuff is Federal.

[mhubeny180sx]

gl americans. back to installing these str8 into your cars.

http://i.imgur.com/ZQtuWXq.jpg

[s14slowmofo]

Call to arms to get everyone involved to stop stupid $hit like this from happening. :rant2:

https://www.sema.org/news/2016/02/08/epa-seeks-to-prohibit-conversion-of-vehicles-into-racecars

There is a change .org petition, you do not have to pay, just hit skip this step etc..etc..

https://www.change.org/p/u-s-house-of-representatives-u-s-senate-president-of-the-united-states-prevent-the-epa-from-banning-vehicle-modification?tk=swrGeqF-GmT12sFN1pDvbFXfApthLl8MTplMJZFDqMg&utm_medium=email&utm_source=signature_receipt&utm_campaign=new_signature

This to me, seems more of an out pour to resource more money not for clean air .(had it been the case why not look into what makes green vehicles move ,better yet why not show them what an industrial plant that manufacturers battery's for those cars does to the environment ) (hint! One of em is worse then a deasil truck running with no def unit for over a million miles maybe a Lil exacdurated but the point is there) why not ban cigarette's had that been the case.. to many hands in the cookie jar but not enough cookies for them to keep there hands out of it

[cured13]

effin government.

vote Hillary, she will fix it:drama:

[Corbic]

gl americans. back to installing these str8 into your cars.

http://i.imgur.com/ZQtuWXq.jpg


Yes, Canada. Land of the single approved car insurance company that will cancel you for lowering springs on your cavalier.


It was also Canada that the police held a drag event called "race the police" or some crap and everyone that should up got tickets for modifications.

[Krazykouki]

This seems to be getting alot of attention in the automotive world.

[ixfxi]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/tell-epa-withdraw-its-proposal-prohibit-conversion-vehicles-racecars-0

[Krazykouki]

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/tell-epa-withdraw-its-proposal-prohibit-conversion-vehicles-racecars-0

I updated my first post, thank you!