2016 240sx

[s14slowmofo]

whats up pple just wanted your thoughts if you were to design a 240sx of the future what would it be like ,what faults would you like to fix ,what upgrades would you have done that the company missed out on ( this is your idea this isnt for flamers this is for design and concept stuff that should have been addressed but wasn't)

[iJDM]

Lol start with the underpower, lack of engine options (see underpowered), weak brake system, outdated wheel/tire setup, open differential needs change, I could go on all day

If this ever happened (highly unlikely) nissan would probably update everything to modern, electronic steering, traction control (fucking boo), ABS standard, TPMS (extra boo), like I said before I could go on all day.

My point is, even if nissan DID make another s chassis, it would not include the things that made us LOVE these old boxes of shit.

The sad reality is we will probably never have another s chassis for nissan. It just doesn't look like that will happen. The demand for RWD cars is next to nothing nowadays. So sad.

For me, I will likely continue to live in the past until ANY car from modern times impresses me enough to go buy it. I owned a 2nd generation lexus IS sport 6 speed. I loved the car but it just felt to modern to me. I will never forget that.... I drive a WIDE variety of vehicles everyday. And I must say, almost everything no just blends in with the pack.

I'd like something to stick out. I like the lexus RCF but the first reviews don't seem too great on it.

For me, 90s cars will always be the shit because of the simplicity, yet technology that went into them. And the nostalgia factor is always there, for me at least.

[ixfxi]

i agree and disagree with a lot of your points. and most of your complaints have to do with one major factor, and thats price. its an entry level sports car, thats why it had all of the inferior parts you speak of.

the KA24E was the only engine that i felt was a slouch, the DE was a great improvement and really helped. more power is always welcome, but even if you look at many similar cars the power is still pretty close.... new miata or BRZ, theyre all turds when it comes to power.

the wheel, tire and brake setup is also based on economy, and nothing modern has significantly changed other than larger diameter WHEELS but still the same shit 205mm tire width. a larger diameter wheel does nothing for performance, unless you're going to harp about sidewall flex which is not a major concern. it would have been great if our cars came with 16x8 or 17x9 with Z32 brake systems, but that goes against the cost of the car.

so in the end, it is what it is and the s-chassis was designed accordingly. those who had more money to spend ended up with a Z32, and those with more money ended up with turbos. simple as that. a new s-chassis is the new miata or BRZ, another entry level sportscar that ignorant car nerds will still be make fun of.

[economix]

I think ixfxi nailed it above when he brought in the BRZ/FRS or Miata references. I'd add to that with the S2000 or RX-8 even. The S Chassis, while "low on power" is still a fun car to drive in its original build. Lightweight, low power, a drivers car. Too many young drivers think that more power is better. It's fun, but that doesn't make it a driver. The guy behind the wheel makes the difference. In this day where you can buy a 707 HP coupe that weighs 2 tons, it drives us to think that's what's important about a car. Power is more lust than it is love.

There are certainly tweaks this new S-Chassis would require like better braking and a high-quality-factory-differential. But the overall balance and design of this car, keep in mind it was affordable too, was pretty solid. Just had some holes in it.

The other thing that really dumbs-down this concept, unfortunately, are all the safety do-dads that have to be on modern vehicles... like traction control, 30 different airbags (weight), and all the electronic garble that would make it tough to work on in general for us home mechanics.

I'd love for them to come out with the S16. Say it out-loud, "S16" sounds fucking kool. A quick Google Search of 'Nissan S16' pops up some neat renderings of what could be... Here's also a link making our argument a bit louder and resonating a lot of what we feel about this subject - http://www.motormag.com.au/features/1510/sweet-dream-nissan-s16-silvia/

We can always dream :) Maybe some Nissan Exec will swing by this thread and take action. IMHO the 350Z and 370Z were both disappointing aside from aesthetics but mainly due to the price tags - you can spend incredibly on a loaded one and for that money, the alternatives would get noticed first.

[Tyler_240]

It should be the dodge viper of nissan, nothing like the 370z or GTR.

Pickup where the S15 left off and give us the option to eliminate a\c,radio, etc...straight from the factory.

[Crazyced]

Lol start with the underpower, lack of engine options (see underpowered), weak brake system, outdated wheel/tire setup, open differential needs change, I could go on all day
Funny enough, the 180sx already had all that covered. Plus all Canadians 240sx got the VLSD (not the best but better then nothing).

IMO if Mazda, Hyundai, Subaru and Toyota can find a market, so could Nissan.

[ixfxi]

Funny enough, the 180sx already had all that covered. Plus all Canadians 240sx got the VLSD (not the best but better then nothing).

I was just going to say that, people have commented on the differential and thats the LEAST important issue here. What I mean is, the Lexus SC was debuted here in the US around the same time as the S13, early 90s. The SC here in the US had NO OPTION for LSD. However, the overseas version (Soarer) did have a Torsen LSD option. And we're talking about a car that cost more than double (over 40k vs under 20k).

The S13 here in the US had no option, if my memory serves me right. Canadian cars had the VLSD option, I believe Japan too, and Europe (200SX) even had the additional diff cooler setup - which still to this day blows my mind that they were willing and able to offer that on such an entry level car.

All I can say is that if NISSAN was to release the S15 today, fully loaded with a nice 4POT/2POT brake system, updated SR20DET, Helical Diff, Xenon or LED headlights, etc... it would be a great success. The S15 styling wise was a hit, everything about it was real slick and unfortunately, we never got that here in North America.

The way I see it, the market for an inexpensive sports car like this is still too thin. The economy is still not great and people arent tuning and modifying like they did 10 years ago.

[economix]

I was just going to say that, people have commented on the differential and thats the LEAST important issue here.

You really believe the LSD is the "least" important part? I have to reasonably disagree with that in this particular context. Back in the early 90s maybe it made sense. By today, figure it's roughly $1K-$1500 (or more of course) to do it yourself, that's a bunch to add after the fact. And for a pure sports car like we're putting the context on, I find that to be a necessary component to compete against those others like the BRZ or S2K of today. Yes, it would increase the price, but for a consumer to do it themselves, I would argue that it would be cheaper from an OE standpoint bundled into the build of a simple, purpose built car.

[Enjuku Racing]

http://www.nicoclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/nissan_370z_nismo.jpg

[dorkidori_s13]

this was meant to be the direct successor to the S-Chassis (especially since the concept cars were build over exist S15 chassis and were using SR20des for being able to drive the cars around)... production version was teetering on being called the "SX". buuuuuuuuuuut, like Nissan does, they have people begging for the car, then say theyre going to build it but wind up shelving it just like every other cool idea they come out with.

but last i remember, most of you younger folks just bitched and whined about the car because it didnt look like your precious S15... 90s design language is gone and dead, you will never see another car that looks like something the 90s again... inspired MAYBE, but thats the extent of it!


http://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam/nissan/future-and-concept-vehicles/idx/idx-nismo.jpg

[s14slowmofo]

this was meant to be the direct successor to the S-Chassis (especially since the concept cars were build over exist S15 chassis and were using SR20des for being able to drive the cars around)... production version was teetering on being called the "SX". buuuuuuuuuuut, like Nissan does, they have people begging for the car, then say theyre going to build it but wind up shelving it just like every other cool idea they come out with.

but last i remember, most of you younger folks just bitched and whined about the car because it didnt look like your precious S15... 90s design language is gone and dead, you will never see another car that looks like something the 90s again... inspired MAYBE, but thats the extent of it!


http://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam/nissan/future-and-concept-vehicles/idx/idx-nismo.jpg

this about you not what the company has shown to the public what is it that you would like to see,what do you want to be inspired by (not showing a car that has been created)

[s14slowmofo]

http://www.nicoclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/nissan_370z_nismo.jpg

show an image that you would create shed some light on a passion you know all to well tell us know what your thought are of the 240sx. This is a conversation of motivation to fellow readers aswell as to who you are and what draws you in to that vehicle and make it better (there aren't flamers here from what i see just an educational lesson)

[kashira kureijii]

I would change nothing absolutely nothing. I love s13 senpai just the way it is.


How dare you guys speak this way after all the 240sx has done for you! without it you would be honda-boys or worse muscle car enthusiasts :barf::barf:


http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag23/neko-romancer95/dekomori-table-flip_zpsnmp572nm.jpg (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/neko-romancer95/media/dekomori-table-flip_zpsnmp572nm.jpg.html)


Seriously though I feel as If nissan offered a completely unchanged 240sx (DE powered mind you) and sold them brand new again, there would be a fair amount of people here who would still entertain the idea of buying one.

Maybe just one change, a cupholder.

[simmode1]

Fuck a 240sx. I want a modern Silvia. I'd have been a happy camper if the FRS/BRZ had an optional turbo I4 under $30k.

This thread is kinda silly. What would most of us want from a 2016 240sx?
- ~2800lbs
- 2 doors/4 seats
- turbo I4
- stiff RWD chassis
- LSD
- sub $30k

The same shit we been crying for for the last 22 years.

[cured13]

I just wish that Nissan representative was directed to create thread like this here to help them make s16 the way people want.


Common Nissan, just 3-years run and then stuff in it whatever you want - leather seats, led's, 27 air bags, 54 speakers, whatever.
Make it legendary again.

[bataangpinoy]

The new 4 CYL turbo mustang.. IRS, turbo out of the factory, lots of factory and aftermarket support.

[cured13]

Oh yeah, the second generation should be named "pig" in Japanese, to boost sales with Mustang fans.

[Trinidrift3]

Fuck a 240sx. I want a modern Silvia. I'd have been a happy camper if the FRS/BRZ had an optional turbo I4 under $30k.

This thread is kinda silly. What would most of us want from a 2016 240sx?
- ~2800lbs
- 2 doors/4 seats
- turbo I4
- stiff RWD chassis
- LSD
- sub $30k

The same shit we been crying for for the last 22 years.
- 6 speed transmission

being at 3k rpms going 70mph on the highway sucks. also i wouldn't mind an Inline 6

to whoever said they would buy the frs/brz if it was turbo; subaru placed turbo fa20's in the new wrx's. it's only a matter of time until they drop them into the frs/brz

i don't care about bigger brakes and all that crap. as a car enthusiast i have no problem with saving money to drop in some 6 pot brembo's. It is the core of the car that needs to be done right. The chassis can't be changed, and that is what they need nail. In the past it was like cars were built as basic bare cars with decent light chassis', and the owners could go wild and refine/tune it to their liking. It feels like today's cars are made from factory to not be touched and be perfect out of the box. Personally i'd rather more time be spent on chassis development and less on the superficial shit. I can put led tails in and headlight projectors. i can add a touchscreen and nav. i can add bilstein suspension. i can't change what the chassis is

[iJDM]

Funny enough, the 180sx already had all that covered. Plus all Canadians 240sx got the VLSD (not the best but better then nothing).

IMO if Mazda, Hyundai, Subaru and Toyota can find a market, so could Nissan.


Yes the 180sx had all that covered. I'm well aware of this.

And yes, the 180sx was never available in the states. Title reads 2016 240sx.... I think you're missing the point here.

If we were able to have all the cool shit japan, canada, and the most of the rest of the world had...... this would not be a thread asking what would need to be improved for a 2016 240sx.

[s14slowmofo]

I just wish that Nissan representative was directed to create thread like this here to help them make s16 the way people want.


Common Nissan, just 3-years run and then stuff in it whatever you want - leather seats, led's, 27 air bags, 54 speakers, whatever.
Make it legendary again.

maybe it might :coolugh:

[feito]

Wow, I didnt think this thread was gonna make it xD
Fuck a 240sx. I want a modern Silvia. I'd have been a happy camper if the FRS/BRZ had an optional turbo I4 under $30k.

This thread is kinda silly. What would most of us want from a 2016 240sx?
- ~2800lbs
- 2 doors/4 seats
- turbo I4
- stiff RWD chassis
- LSD
- sub $30k

The same shit we been crying for for the last 22 years.
No, as much as most of us wish for that we can't have it all. I would be happy with only 3 of those.

I just wish that Nissan representative was directed to create thread like this here to help them make s16 the way people want.


Common Nissan, just 3-years run and then stuff in it whatever you want - leather seats, led's, 27 air bags, 54 speakers, whatever.
Make it legendary again.
Build a car to the specs of people who arent gonna be able to afford it? I dont think so.
But since we are just throwing ideas out there. I would be happy with a lightweight, 2 door, rwd cheap nissan. Cheap would mean a weak n/a l4 engine, weak brakes and open diff, which I would be ok with if the price was right. Simple body lines, nothing fancy or futuristic, a boring looking body sorta like the latest altima coupe, but slimmer and different ends. But since Im not planning on purchasing a brand new car ever in my life, i guess my opinion doesn't matter. And besides, the car I am describing already exists, but it was built by toyota and subaru. Beautiful beautiful car, and it meets all my needs. Im just gonna wait a few years, then the price will justify me doing some upgrades on it.

[iJDM]

I was just going to say that, people have commented on the differential and thats the LEAST important issue here. What I mean is, the Lexus SC was debuted here in the US around the same time as the S13, early 90s. The SC here in the US had NO OPTION for LSD. However, the overseas version (Soarer) did have a Torsen LSD option. And we're talking about a car that cost more than double (over 40k vs under 20k).

The S13 here in the US had no option, if my memory serves me right. Canadian cars had the VLSD option, I believe Japan too, and Europe (200SX) even had the additional diff cooler setup - which still to this day blows my mind that they were willing and able to offer that on such an entry level car.


240sx hatch with HICAS came equipped with a VLSD. Only a very small percentage of 240s here in the states, but still....

Also you're comparing the SC and 240sx both having open differentials.... Only problem is these cars you speak of are the same age. Most are over 20 years old now. Sure the SC was double the price, but it also had double the technology packed into it.

I NEVER said nissan shouldn't have put an open differential in the 240sx in 1989. Obviously it would have driven prices way up back then if they tried to put an LSD in every unit. All I said was that IF there were to be a 2016 240sx, an open differential would simply not cut it nowadays for the intended market. The base model could have an open differential to cut price, but still the market would need an option for LSD

[ixfxi]

as much as i love having mechanical LSD on all of my vehicles, i dont think its mandatory nor do i think its the only way of achieving traction. the mclaren 12c has no LSD. too many dipshits on this forum think you need a 2-way diff. then you fuckers try to be kei tsuchiya and then wrap your shit around a pole

by the way, check the price on a set of 6 pot brembos... you guys are smoking crack. production grade 4pot/2pot rears are the most you can expect from a production budget sports car, and as an option. same as an LSD, option - not standard.

you guys gotta remember, most people are not car enthusiasts and fail to understand the differences. they dont know the difference between turbo and NA, open diff, vlsd, hlsd, etc.

as for the idx, i am glad that heap was never produced. its a wanna-be iteration of the 510.

[s14slowmofo]

Wow, I didnt think this thread was gonna make it xD

why wouldn't it?? This thread isn't for some one simple minded this is for all of us to talk about .we are all owner's or past owner so this is a topic is for everyone on here to relate to.weather its suspension power trans diff gears chassis even as small as cup holder .The idea's and view from everyone on this board is to channel each other with idea's to broaden there outlook (some company's actually look at these boards and some chime in) maybe your view points make a great idea for them to come out with products that makes things easier for us. A closed mind has no open outlook and wont go far in this thread

[dorkidori_s13]

btw, i hate to inform you... but the Ecoboost mustang IS the new silvia. if you dont believe me, go drive one. 4 cyl, turbo, RWD, BETTER fuel economy, BETTER HP, runs low 14s stock, LOOKS like a modern evolution of the S15, oh and the Ecoboost motor puts the SR to shame!!! stock block handles 500 to the crank all the day long! the ONLY downside (again, just like an SR) is the poor excuse of an OE turbo.

even side by side, the new mustang is only slightly larger.

hate the ecoboost mustang all you want after reading what i just wrote... it IS the modern day silvia given the S-Chassis has been Nissans pony car since the 70s (infact a lot of the Silvias lineage and design features were directly inspired by the ford mustang)

[Kis4Kouki]

Sadly, I believe we will never see another s chassis. If we did get one, all i ask for is a simplistic yet innovated chassis that is stiff and a platform for us to build. Differentials, Brakes, Power and all that bs doesnt have to come with the car. Adding all of that is half the fun of building these cars. Its fun learning how to work on them and make them better and all the weird quirks that 240s came with. Who would have ever thought that we would take brakes from a 300zx and for the most part simple bolt them on with new rotors and lines and have better brakes. Stuff like that is what make this cars so cool.

[Habibi240]

S16 SR26DET base price 29k I'll buy it

[cured13]

i hate to inform you... but the Ecoboost mustang IS the new silvia..... runs low 14s stock, LOOKS like a modern evolution of the S15, oh and the Ecoboost motor puts the SR to shame!!!
no it's not,
no it doesn't


I don't know how low 14's in brand new modern car impress anybody especially when stock, 25 years older chassis with stock 60K+ tired engine runs better times
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=130890

[ixfxi]

btw, i hate to inform you... but the Ecoboost mustang IS the new silvia.

clearly, you have no clue what you are talking about. i mean, you really have no clue what you are talking about.

sit inside a mustang and you immediately feel how domestic this car is. and by domestic, i mean shitty. while american manufactures have made improvements, they're still... american. they still have that shit factor, poor fit and finish, etc. they're better, but they're still not something i would ever spend my hard earned money on. not new, and *certainly* not used. these are disposable cars. and thats saying a lot, since our s-chassis are also disposable... but they've managed to last longer than most.

stock S15 turbo insufficient? i think not. sure there are improvements with todays standards, but in terms of response, power and reliability - the s15 turbo is a fantastic turbo. i still run it to this day.

you're kinda clueless

[RiskyRick]

btw, i hate to inform you... but the Ecoboost mustang IS the new silvia. if you dont believe me, go drive one. 4 cyl, turbo, RWD, BETTER fuel economy, BETTER HP, runs low 14s stock, LOOKS like a modern evolution of the S15, oh and the Ecoboost motor puts the SR to shame!!! stock block handles 500 to the crank all the day long! the ONLY downside (again, just like an SR) is the poor excuse of an OE turbo.

even side by side, the new mustang is only slightly larger.

hate the ecoboost mustang all you want after reading what i just wrote... it IS the modern day silvia given the S-Chassis has been Nissans pony car since the 70s (infact a lot of the Silvias lineage and design features were directly inspired by the ford mustang)

This. The S chassis was just Japan's Mustang. Also, the new 6th gen Camaro also offers a turbo 4. Smaller and lighter than the ecoboost Mustang to boot. Basically just a rehash of the Cobalt SS turbo motor-2.0 direct injection, continuously vvt on both cams, stock baby BW EFR turbo. Better transmission. Alpha chassis is a BMW ripoff that drives and handles wonderfully. Either car is along the lines of what a modern S car would be.

[dorkidori_s13]

you're kinda clueless

far from it, but thanks for trying champ!

[s14slowmofo]

This isn't a debate of ford vs chevy. This is about Nissan not about what's out there now, if you feel as if it is then explain what you would like to see in a new model 240sx compared to the mustang and Camaro utilize it as a key to flow info to the underwriter's of the company(what would you want or rather upgrade to keep up with the coupes of today)

[racepar1]

Why do you guys always talk about how weak the 240sx was when it was new? The S13 and 14 chasis were ahead of their time IMO.

The brakes are not weak, they're fine. Just because they're not 4 piston calipers doesn't mean they're weak. The stock braking system has plenty of bite and is quite well balanced. with the addition of some brake ducts it can even handle a surprising amount of abuse without issues.

The suspension design of our cars was so far ahead of it's time that it still compares to that of modern cars. The 240's stock handling is still impressive by modern terms as well.

The KA24 isn't a bad engine, it's just not as good as the turbo engines. The KA24E is still used to this day as a race motor in SCCA, much to the lament of Mazda and Honda racers. The dualcam was more of an improvement in image than initial power or power potential, but is still a solid engine. either KA is fucking bulletproof unless you do something REALLY stupid.

[RN4URLife]

This isn't a debate of ford vs chevy. This is about Nissan not about what's out there now, if you feel as if it is then explain what you would like to see in a new model 240sx compared to the mustang and Camaro utilize it as a key to flow info to the underwriter's of the company(what would you want or rather upgrade to keep up with the coupes of today)
Cup holders. If the need for loads of airbags is real, keep it LIGHT.
But if we really want the 240sx love story to be real again, let's start with an underdog motor -the qr25de. Call me crazy, but it'd definitely make the car cheap enough to mass produce + give you that same love hate nostalgia :) . And since there's already a supercharged version available I don't think it'd take too much R&D to make it fit into the s16 (and make it an optional package straight out of the gate *cough* SE *cough*).

Other than that, borrow the lsd from the 350 or 370z, again make it available depending on what package you choose.

FINALLY, slap on some under headlight LEDs similar to Audi and everybody else -BOOM!!! S16. Entry-level love affair, reborn

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[Crazyced]

Yes the 180sx had all that covered. I'm well aware of this.

And yes, the 180sx was never available in the states. Title reads 2016 240sx.... I think you're missing the point here.

If we were able to have all the cool shit japan, canada, and the most of the rest of the world had...... this would not be a thread asking what would need to be improved for a 2016 240sx.You are the only one that missed something here.

[10psitx]

OP while you have a valid question...you're asking for a PERSONAL preference about a formula that already exist and needs to appeal to the MASSES...what you are asking about already exist...its just not in the package that appeals to you...meaning Nissan already has it built but not at the price point you want... I.E the 370z, R35GTR...they have everything most of us would like to have in a modern S Chassis but not at the price point. There is a reason for that, as some already pointed out. It costs more to build a car with those features.

Granted there are no new base model Nissan's in the FRS/BRZ category, but just as the 240sx got cheaper and drivers bought them and modified them to their PERSONAL preferences... the 350Z and 370z will follow the same trend

As one poster pointed out the vast majority of Today's drivers don't really care about HP#'s or skid pad G's or even braking info, 1/4 mile time etc....they want safety, economy, space, social connectivity and affordability...so That's what the car makers build...every so often they get it right for car enthusiasts and you get a nice suspension or some turbos and you can spend some money and build on that. I don't think Nissan supports Grassroots car guys anymore, that ended in the 90's...maybe i'm wrong....i hope i am...

[10psitx]

Why do you guys always talk about how weak the 240sx was when it was new? The S13 and 14 chasis were ahead of their time IMO.

The brakes are not weak, they're fine. Just because they're not 4 piston calipers doesn't mean they're weak. The stock braking system has plenty of bite and is quite well balanced. with the addition of some brake ducts it can even handle a surprising amount of abuse without issues.

The suspension design of our cars was so far ahead of it's time that it still compares to that of modern cars. The 240's stock handling is still impressive by modern terms as well.

The KA24 isn't a bad engine, it's just not as good as the turbo engines. The KA24E is still used to this day as a race motor in SCCA, much to the lament of Mazda and Honda racers. The dualcam was more of an improvement in image than initial power or power potential, but is still a solid engine. either KA is fucking bulletproof unless you do something REALLY stupid.

Agreed! This opinion is so true...Most 240's owners never had the opportunity to drive a 'new' 240 so the opinions are always in the context of a worn 20+ year old car, so it will feel like a wet noodle.
I also never had that opportunity to drive one off the showroom floor, but i did have the good fortune to own a s13 hatch with 17000 miles on it and i was absolutely blown away by it. I recently bought a S14 from the original owner and he also told me about how "tight" (his exact words) the car felt.

[iJDM]

You are the only one that missed something here.

Elaborate or gtfo

[Gingersmurf]

Why do you guys always talk about how weak the 240sx was when it was new? The S13 and 14 chasis were ahead of their time IMO.

The brakes are not weak, they're fine. Just because they're not 4 piston calipers doesn't mean they're weak. The stock braking system has plenty of bite and is quite well balanced. with the addition of some brake ducts it can even handle a surprising amount of abuse without issues.

The suspension design of our cars was so far ahead of it's time that it still compares to that of modern cars. The 240's stock handling is still impressive by modern terms as well.

The KA24 isn't a bad engine, it's just not as good as the turbo engines. The KA24E is still used to this day as a race motor in SCCA, much to the lament of Mazda and Honda racers. The dualcam was more of an improvement in image than initial power or power potential, but is still a solid engine. either KA is fucking bulletproof unless you do something REALLY stupid.


THIS.
Couldn't agree more

[driftsucky]

Visually, it'd have a worldly look to it. I mean, it'd still have 240 cues that we all know and love, but it'd visually be something COMPLETELY different. It'd be something that would turn heads on a world stage. Modern, noticeable, fun looking.

I'd make it large enough to fit someone that was 6'4", comfortable. Arguably, that'd probably negate the rear seats (that'd be there) or possibly make the trunk only big enough for a couple of golf bags or carry-on size bags, but this isn't a family car. It's an entry level sports car or something that's fun that a middle aged man can get if he has school age kids and maybe wants to go grab ice cream with them or take a sunday drive or something. After all, this is America and we're not all American Eagle models.

I would give the vehicle a 2.3L turbo-charged motor. I'd make it a twin-scroll single turbo with direct injection. That would enable me to get to around 30mpg combined. I'd tune it conservatively to 310hp and about 320lbs-ft of torque. I'd make it a 6speed manual and have an auto as an option (6 shift with a "sport" mode). IRS and LSD.

I'd give it some sort of bluetooth technology STANDARD. All modern amenities like power driver's seat, ac, steering wheel mounted controls, all appropriate air bags. You'd get a few wheel options....from 17 up to 20...only for appearance. I can't imagine any ACTUAL performance difference but I imagine it'd be needed in order for my car to reach the masses.

Have a couple of "track setups" available at the push of a button. I'd have a normal driving mode, a sport+ mode; would make steering and throttle more responsive and change shift points, track; would take traction control disengage up to 90%; snow/wet mode in case you don't live in the south or west.

I'd give it 4 wheel disc brakes, auto headlights, 1 touch up/down windows, HID's, rear view camera standard. I'd have optional features like blind spot monitoring, heated/cooled seats, adaptive cruise control, rain sensing wipers, back-up sensors, navigation, leather, etc...

The standard model would be under 30k and fully optioned out, it would run 36ish-grand maybe? And there wouldn't be a host of performance upgrades in that 36k price. It'd be more mass appeal stuff...appearance packages. Maybe a stiffer suspension or a wheel/spoiler package...the kind of thing that an enthusiast wouldn't normally want from a manufacturer anyway.


Now, I'd have some BEAST model cars that you could grab parts from easy enough. Perhaps something with a 5.2 V8 supercharged or a 5.0...some different seats, wheels, maybe have Vaughn Gittin or Chris Forseburg or some prominent drifter pen a "special" model that you could snag parts for from a parts catalog. Maybe have a well known site like...I don't know...Speedhunters do a write up on one to try to grab some more enthusiast backing. Just spit-balling ideas here.


That's how I'd do it.

I kinda wish someone would make that car. I guess we can dream.

[Crazyced]

Elaborate or gtfo
I was agreeing with you. :picardfp:

Saying Nissan already had the right recipe for the American market. They just never bothered to ship it over. Which I found funny.

[Kingtal0n]

They should make an S16 but they should make it look like the S15 with these improvements:

0. built to order/demand
1. it comes with or without a drivetrain per order
2. mostly an empty shell, 2000lbs right out of production without a drivetrain, just the minimum for safety/inspection/legal
3. updated metals/suspensions (give us those lightweight alloys and computer designed handling)

4. If you want a drivetrain with it, you can order options: 4, I-6, V8

They would sell about thirty of them. :D and in fifteen years, we can pick them up for cheap ;D

[LockOn!]

Hey guys, Ford already built it for us.

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/ecoboostfastback/

Good fun turbo power / forged internals
2+2
RWD
25-30K

Just pull the badges, lower it, pretend its Japanese, then cry because its not going to get any better.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af272/dericp/red_zpsa710bdac.jpg


NISSAN DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT US NO MATTER HOW HARD WE WHINE. Fuckboys that are interested in a 2016 S-chassis are too damn broke to buy one. The Mustang still holds true because it has held a domestic adult fanbase with a decent income for so long. End. Of. Fucking. Story.


The IDX was a glimmer of hope, but lol, nope, its fucking Nissan. Good thing they built the Murano convertible :picardfp:

[driftsucky]

Hey guys, Ford already built it for us.

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/ecoboostfastback/

Good fun turbo power / forged internals
2+2
RWD
25-30K

Just pull the badges, lower it, pretend its Japanese, then cry because its not going to get any better.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af272/dericp/red_zpsa710bdac.jpg


NISSAN DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT US NO MATTER HOW HARD WE WHINE. Fuckboys that are interested in a 2016 S-chassis are too damn broke to buy one. The Mustang still holds true because it has held a domestic adult fanbase with a decent income for so long. End. Of. Fucking. Story.


The IDX was a glimmer of hope, but lol, nope, its fucking Nissan. Good thing they built the Murano convertible :picardfp:


Visually, it'd have a worldly look to it...[ecoboost Mustang]

I kinda wish someone would make that car. I guess we can dream.

https://d.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1418523199ra/12818782.gif

[LockOn!]

sit inside a mustang and you immediately feel how domestic this car is. and by domestic, i mean shitty. while american manufactures have made improvements, they're still... american. they still have that shit factor, poor fit and finish, etc.

This is fucking 100% irrelevant.

Show me another 2+2 rwd turbocharged car sub 30K. Oh, wait, there isn't one. We should be praising Henry Ford's anti-semitic ass for founding a company that is still offering a machine in this configuration in 2016.

Your next best bet would be a BMW 235i if we are still talking cars you can buy brand new. BUT it starts at 44k, so its really a moot point.

Also, I recently owned a Z33, the interior build quality was dog shit. I don't know how you can complain about domestic interior qualities with a straight face. Its pretty much all garbage unless your driving a mid-high end European car.

[driftsucky]

Yeah. My Infiniti was crap. It was equally as crappy as a Z33 but it cost more for everything cuz it had a Mt. Fugi symbol on it. For the money, you can't go wrong. If you're spending top dollar, we're no longer talking about an entry level rwd sports coupe.

[s14slowmofo]

Visually, it'd have a worldly look to it. I mean, it'd still have 240 cues that we all know and love, but it'd visually be something COMPLETELY different. It'd be something that would turn heads on a world stage. Modern, noticeable, fun looking.

I'd make it large enough to fit someone that was 6'4", comfortable. Arguably, that'd probably negate the rear seats (that'd be there) or possibly make the trunk only big enough for a couple of golf bags or carry-on size bags, but this isn't a family car. It's an entry level sports car or something that's fun that a middle aged man can get if he has school age kids and maybe wants to go grab ice cream with them or take a sunday drive or something. After all, this is America and we're not all American Eagle models.

I would give the vehicle a 2.3L turbo-charged motor. I'd make it a twin-scroll single turbo with direct injection. That would enable me to get to around 30mpg combined. I'd tune it conservatively to 310hp and about 320lbs-ft of torque. I'd make it a 6speed manual and have an auto as an option (6 shift with a "sport" mode). IRS and LSD.

I'd give it some sort of bluetooth technology STANDARD. All modern amenities like power driver's seat, ac, steering wheel mounted controls, all appropriate air bags. You'd get a few wheel options....from 17 up to 20...only for appearance. I can't imagine any ACTUAL performance difference but I imagine it'd be needed in order for my car to reach the masses.

Have a couple of "track setups" available at the push of a button. I'd have a normal driving mode, a sport+ mode; would make steering and throttle more responsive and change shift points, track; would take traction control disengage up to 90%; snow/wet mode in case you don't live in the south or west.

I'd give it 4 wheel disc brakes, auto headlights, 1 touch up/down windows, HID's, rear view camera standard. I'd have optional features like blind spot monitoring, heated/cooled seats, adaptive cruise control, rain sensing wipers, back-up sensors, navigation, leather, etc...

The standard model would be under 30k and fully optioned out, it would run 36ish-grand maybe? And there wouldn't be a host of performance upgrades in that 36k price. It'd be more mass appeal stuff...appearance packages. Maybe a stiffer suspension or a wheel/spoiler package...the kind of thing that an enthusiast wouldn't normally want from a manufacturer anyway.


Now, I'd have some BEAST model cars that you could grab parts from easy enough. Perhaps something with a 5.2 V8 supercharged or a 5.0...some different seats, wheels, maybe have Vaughn Gittin or Chris Forseburg or some prominent drifter pen a "special" model that you could snag parts for from a parts catalog. Maybe have a well known site like...I don't know...Speedhunters do a write up on one to try to grab some more enthusiast backing. Just spit-balling ideas here.


That's how I'd do it.

I kinda wish someone would make that car. I guess we can dream.

now this sounds interesting and i applaud you for your creative detailed line up within the nissan family this was exactly what i was looking for (this is a prime example of some one that isn't simple minded or bias)

[s14slowmofo]

Hey guys, Ford already built it for us.

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/ecoboostfastback/

Good fun turbo power / forged internals
2+2
RWD
25-30K

Just pull the badges, lower it, pretend its Japanese, then cry because its not going to get any better.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af272/dericp/red_zpsa710bdac.jpg


NISSAN DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT US NO MATTER HOW HARD WE WHINE. Fuckboys that are interested in a 2016 S-chassis are too damn broke to buy one. The Mustang still holds true because it has held a domestic adult fanbase with a decent income for so long. End. Of. Fucking. Story.


The IDX was a glimmer of hope, but lol, nope, its fucking Nissan. Good thing they built the Murano convertible :picardfp:

idx was concept not a notation to mass produce. nissan's team allows feed back on there car's in prospective of who they are drawing in.(as any car company does the idx gave mixed signals not a green light) i wouldn't say they don't care as that is a little harsh to say
your not seeing the bigger picture and underlining of why certain vehicle's are not mass produced in the u.s (here is a hint it has to with market research, and uncle sam)
idolizing a vehicle that has nothing to do with nissan is very much what sets this thread apart from others as it involves people giving there view and creativeness for nissan

[feito]

I was bored at work today...
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j341/andres14oj/501AFDB2-4188-4869-BBE1-F677C3D55082_zpssk8i6odc.jpg (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/andres14oj/media/501AFDB2-4188-4869-BBE1-F677C3D55082_zpssk8i6odc.jpg.html)

[ixfxi]

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/1d/d4/1dd4df240650aaaf33039cc3e0d42365.jpg

http://www.ford.com/ngbs-services/resources/ford/mustang/2016/gallery/photo/mst16_pg_011_int_full.jpg


Show me another 2+2 rwd turbocharged car sub 30K.


there is no way i would be caught dead in this heap of shit. just because you put a 4-banger turbo in a mustang, does not make it an s-chassis. i cant believe you guys are suggesting a car with chrome trimmed cup holders, cut your mullets and get that shit outta here.

all this talk about airbags and modern amenities making a car heavier means nothing. the new miata is near the same weight as the original miata, so that point is moot. ever take apart a car? air bags dont weight 600 lbs.

the only entry level car worth getting is the brz. that _IS_ the modern day successor to the s-chassis. still wouldnt want one, though.

[Crazyced]

Ford was early to the game too.
http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2014/09/ad_ford_mustang_svo_best_1984.jpg
http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1986_Ford_Mustang_SVO_Silver_Turbo_Survivor_Low_Mi les_For_Sale_Engine_resize.jpg

God did the 5.Slow V8 guys hate the SVO too.

[LockOn!]

there is no way i would be caught dead in this heap of shit. just because you put a 4-banger turbo in a mustang, does not make it an s-chassis. i cant believe you guys are suggesting a car with chrome trimmed cup holders, cut your mullets and get that shit outta here.

the only entry level car worth getting is the brz. that _IS_ the modern day successor to the s-chassis. still wouldnt want one, though.

Not disagreeing that the Mustang interior quality is some americana bullshit, just saying that for sub 30K, it is literally the only TURBO 2+2 rwd car in existence. Also, chances are we will never see another one after this generation is done the way things are going.

No. The BRZ interior quality is worse. The sun visors are literally made from card board, the rear deck rattles off the lot, really the only nice thing are the seats and that's just because of the support, the materials are inferior as fuck. My roommate beat me to the punch and bought one while I was still drooling over them on ft86club.com. At first I was bummed, but after driving it I was so let down I went out and bought my z33. The chassis was good but that was about it. Rattles everywhere and fucking totally gutless to boot.



Can we start pinking people for quoting pics? Not just this thread, its getting really bad everywhere...

[driftsucky]

there is no way i would be caught dead in any new car apparently. just because you put a 4-banger turbo in a mustang, does not make it an s-chassis. i cant believe you guys are suggesting a car with things almost all new cars over 18grand have in them, cut your mullets and keep your 25 year old car as opposed to acknowledging modern mass produced vehicles in the country we live in.

all this talk about airbags and modern amenities making a car heavier means nothing. the new miata is near the same weight but still significantly heavier and is also a roadster as the original miata, so that point is moot. ever take apart a car? air bags dont weight 600 lbs. It's the things that people who buy cars want in them that make all the weight changes. It's because the general public doesn't seem to want a striped down race car that makes these cars so heavy.

the only entry level car worth getting is the brz. that _IS_ the modern day successor to the s-chassis. still wouldnt want one, though and because of that, it makes my idea of a new car a moot point as it doesn't appear as though I'd buy one.

fixed. :D



s/n: fieto, the front of your car is the 96 mustang ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


























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[Gingersmurf]

fixed. :D

What are you talking about with the miata being drastically heavier? The fourth gen is lighter than its two predecessors, the second and third gen. It is only 130 heavier than the first gen according to specs, and it makes almost 20Hp more with comparing the smaller 1.6L (first gen) and 1.5L (fourth gen). The larger motor options, the 1.8L (first gen) and 2.0L (fourth gen), have a difference of almost 30Hp. The power to weight ratios are almost spot on, and they have crammed that car full of features that set it far apart from the first gen. If that weight is really an issue for you, i suggest hitting the gym for a couple hours.

Anyways;

I do feel the BRZ/FRS/FT86 is the "new" 240sx. with the huge selection of aftermarket parts and being a light, (relatively) cheap, and RWD. The car is easy to work on at home, and isn't super over complicated. I personally will wait for the prices to fall a bit before i'd consider owning one, but it seems to be the "new" 240sx

[driftsucky]

If that weight is really an issue for you, i suggest hitting the gym for a couple hours.


For me? No. I could care less about the extra weight. My "ideal" car is going to be heavy based on it's options, but, it has over 300hp so that's negated. Skinny people worry about weight. I haven't enjoyed that burden since I ETS'd out of the Army. So, I'm good. :D

As for the FRS/BRZ/86 would you buy one new? If not...then....kinda....why....since this is about a new car

[Gingersmurf]

As for the FRS/BRZ/86 would you buy one new? If not...then....kinda....why....since this is about a new car

Only since these are the first iterations of this platform, and i feel there is room for improvement. Once the second gens are released (if at all) i will consider buying one of those, at that time. That, and i'm still holding onto the glimpse of hope for the S16

[driftsucky]

makes sense. I can understand that. I think I'm kinda on the fence myself.

[kashira kureijii]

jeez is there anyone here that isn't riding ford's dick.

You guys are all repeating what speedhunters said when the car first came out, that it was the s16 and all.

Problem is, it's still a ford... not a nissan. I feel that that alone sorta prevents it from ever being a silvia

[ixfxi]

jeez is there anyone here that isn't riding ford's dick.
Problem is, it's still a ford... not a nissan. I feel that that alone sorta prevents it from ever being a silvia

EXACTLY. I dont buy parts from a fucking ford dealership. Visteon lights that are made in Mexico? No thanks. The OEM supplied parts on these cars are a mixed bag of dicks. I'm the type of guy who still gets a hard on when I see "Made in Germany" or "Made in Japan" on the parts I buy. Not always, but usually.


What are you talking about with the miata being drastically heavier? The fourth gen is lighter than its two predecessors, the second and third gen.

Thats right, he doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about. Its like the same weight. Only gripe I have is that they didnt do shit for power output, its nothing impressive at all.

Bottom line. We need more INEXPENSIVE cars with manual transmissions. I dont need my car to tell me whats popping on Instatwitterface, I dont need to check my email - I need a car that is cheap and fun.

[Gingersmurf]

Bottom line. We need more INEXPENSIVE cars with manual transmissions. I dont need my car to tell me whats popping on Instatwitterface, I dont need to check my email - I need a car that is cheap and fun.


Quoted for Truth. The reason the 240 did so well is because it was cheap, and fun to drive. The recipe is simple, cheap, RWD, manual, and fun to drive. There are far more regulations on things than there was back then (thumbs up for no airbags!) and the cost of production has also risen, so "cheap" may be a relative term. But i think a Sub $20,000 car with all options (A/C, radio, abs, etc) come standard would do very very well in the market.

The FRS/BRZ/86 is sitting mid 20's (about 26k with no options, and almost 35k fully loaded) up here in canada off the lot, if Nissan could produce something similar for less money, it would do very well.

[driftsucky]

Quoted for Truth. The reason the 240 did so well is because it was cheap, and fun to drive. The recipe is simple, cheap, RWD, manual, and fun to drive....

Uhhhhhhh...FALSE. Perhaps the 180sx or the Silvia did well for those reasons...in their respective countries. But the United States 240sx did so well because it was cheap and sporty looking. When that car came out, it wasn't hailed as...well...nothing more than a cheap car you pick up for your little sister or secretary or something. I know WE love the car and all the Japanese heritage and dirka dirka dirka, but it wasn't really all that well received in this country. The Z31/32 is what men bought who wanted a fun sports car. That's why the S14 tanked and got de-optioned and the S15 never made it to our shores. I think we're viewing things through some rose colored glasses.

As for Ford's penor, brand loyalty is a thing of the 80's that's talked about in barbershop parlors by men with twisty-ended mustaches; who play kazoos and shit. It's 2016. If the car makes sense, the car makes sense. Point blank period.

[s14slowmofo]

I was bored at work today...
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j341/andres14oj/501AFDB2-4188-4869-BBE1-F677C3D55082_zpssk8i6odc.jpg (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/andres14oj/media/501AFDB2-4188-4869-BBE1-F677C3D55082_zpssk8i6odc.jpg.html)

Very creative but I do believe we have the Nissan altima in that body styling already

[S14kouki805]

EXACTLY. I dont buy parts from a fucking ford dealership. Visteon lights that are made in Mexico? No thanks. The OEM supplied parts on these cars are a mixed bag of dicks. I'm the type of guy who still gets a hard on when I see "Made in Germany" or "Made in Japan" on the parts I buy. Not always, but usually.




Thats right, he doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about. Its like the same weight. Only gripe I have is that they didnt do shit for power output, its nothing impressive at all.

Bottom line. We need more INEXPENSIVE cars with manual transmissions. I dont need my car to tell me whats popping on Instatwitterface, I dont need to check my email - I need a car that is cheap and fun.

Give this man a cookie! I couldn't have said it better myself. A "mixed bag of dicks" where do you come up with this shit? LMAO

[S14kouki805]

And no the Mustang turbo is not the new S16, it's the new SVO. As stated before the only thing resembling what a new S-chassis could be is the BRZ/FR-S/GT86- lightweight, underpowered, RWD, blah blah. It will only become the new S-chassis once the price drops far enough for enthusiasts to pick them up cheap and tune them to their liking.

IMHO the IDX looked like complete ass, I'm glad that heap didn't make it, would've been a shame for that to be the new RWD Nissan. The other poster was correct, the S14, in the US anyway, was aimed at females. People that knew what it was scooped them up and tried to make them like their Japanese cousin, the Silvia.

Long story short- people that want these cars can't afford them at the current cost to produce, market, profit etc. This is why Nissan hasn't built them. Manual transmissions make up like 5% or some stupid low percentage of new vehicles sold. The market is extremely thin. Sales for the FR-S/BRZ have slowed because the people that wanted AND could afford them have already bought them. Nissan most likely took cue to this and decided to axe the IDX.

I really wish this wasn't true because if this unicorn of a turbo, RWD, sub-25k car hit the market I would very likely buy one. There is no new car on the market that I would drop my money on at this point, so I'll continue to build my S14 to my taste.

Rant over

[kashira kureijii]

EXACTLY. I dont buy parts from a fucking ford dealership. Visteon lights that are made in Mexico? No thanks. The OEM supplied parts on these cars are a mixed bag of dicks. I'm the type of guy who still gets a hard on when I see "Made in Germany" or "Made in Japan" on the parts I buy. Not always, but usually.



This guy knows where it's at.

http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag23/neko-romancer95/made%20in%20japan_zpssgqiuuvr.jpg (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/neko-romancer95/media/made%20in%20japan_zpssgqiuuvr.jpg.html)


I love how everyone keeps comparing apples to oranges here. The turbo mustang weighs 3500 ibs, that is nothing like a 240's 27-2800 ibs. Everyone is so desperate for new shit after waiting for so long that they will accept any corbic propaganda over the truth.

A prostitute is not a princess, and no new car today really compare to our old school Nissans.

[driftsucky]

...It will only become the new S-chassis once the price drops far enough for enthusiasts to pick them up cheap and tune them to their liking.


This kinda reads like "it will only become the new S-chassis when it's old and you can get them for cheap...you know....like the old S-chassis" lol.

That defeats...nevermind.

[S14kouki805]

This kinda reads like "it will only become the new S-chassis when it's old and you can get them for cheap...you know....like the old S-chassis" lol.

That defeats...nevermind.

Correct-

I don't know of anyone that bought a NEW S-chassis in the 90's that still has it to this day. The market for these cars didn't hit until after they were already out of production. And if I recall correctly S14's were priced in the low 20's when new.

[KiLLeR2001]

The new mustang has the footprint similar to that of an R34 GT-R. I really do like the new body style over the previous models. Been fappin' it to the sound of the GT350 as of late, thing is boss.

[iJDM]

Correct-

I don't know of anyone that bought a NEW S-chassis in the 90's that still has it to this day. The market for these cars didn't hit until after they were already out of production. And if I recall correctly S14's were priced in the low 20's when new.

There's a one owner 240 on a craigslist near me but its very hard to find. In these cases it's probably coincidence anyway, the first owner most likely would have kept any car 20+ years that kept getting them where they needed to go.

S14's were expensive, and convertibles were expensive as fuck too...

[ixfxi]

http://www.autoviva.com/img/photos/863/hyundai_genesis_coupe_200_turbo_large_22863.jpg

wait wait WAIT!!! isnt ^^ THIS ^^ the new s16?

:-)

Whats wrong, Hyundai not good enough for us? Korea is like the same thing as Japan, right?

hehehehehe

calling the ecoboost mustang the new 240 is blasphemy. no s-chassis should weight over 3000 lbs, period. we should revoke our moderator's rights for saying shit like that. "sorry son, you lost your stripes"

[spooled240]

^no because that front end and quarter window makes my peni$ soft

[Almighty So]

So did the future rwd coupes thread die or..?

[spray2020]

At least Lexus is doing it right with this production car, LC500. Nissan should be inspired :)

http://images.techtimes.com/data/images/full/197065/lexus-lc-500.jpg?w=600

http://media.toyota-autos.com/picture/c1/07649971179718e2d97b7a2e78f801.jpg?i=CxcXE1lMTAoOA gQGTQIWFwwODAEKDwYOAgRNAAwOTAVMWldbVFRUV1FIFFVRU0g LV1JQSBJbU0gRBlNIABFSSAIRU0gQF1NMUVNSVE4PBhsWEE4PA E5WU1NOEQYCEU4XCxEGBk4SFgIRFwYREE0JEwQ=

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[1988montecarloss]

So did the future rwd coupes thread die or..?

x2 im surprised a thread this shitty has made it to 3 pages

[senger]

People act like Nissan is going to pay more attention to their 'enthusiast' group of people, more than their customers. Domestic manufacturers are able to make money off of their sports cars because America is filled with old guys that want to relive high school. These domestic manufacturers are also producing some pretty cool shit that only feeds the shit storm, whereas Nissan is like,"We should definitely include sonar into the backup camera in the new Murano."

[driftsucky]

People act like Nissan is going to pay more attention to their 'enthusiast' group of people, more than their customers. Domestic manufacturers are able to make money off of their sports cars because America is filled with old guys that want to relive high school. These domestic manufacturers are also producing some pretty cool shit that only feeds the shit storm, whereas Nissan is like,"We should definitely include sonar into the backup camera in the new Murano."

egggggfugginzaklee. Everybody who's complaining about the crustang isn't buying a new car EITHER WAY!!! With that said, what motivation would a company have to make a new car for us? There's a bunch of "make it like the old S-chassis and when it's used, I'll buy it". Yeah...THAT'LL motivate someone. Cuz I'm sure you're going to the dealer to buy parts too right? :facepalm: A bunch of purist fuddy-duddies aren't going to inspire a business to spend money for them to NOT support them. At least these domestic companies are trying to make something fun to drive that doesn't cost your first born.

And what's with the weight talk? I mean, REALLY...REALLY!!!!??? I'd be more concerned with weight balance than actual girth. But, I guess I'm not trying to squeeze a track whore out of 160bhp car.

/rant

[s14slowmofo]

x2 im surprised a thread this shitty has made it to 3 pages

this thread isn't to replace another topic, (if you read the topic of the thread it would let you know that )as far as your opinion it doesn't pertain to the topic so it isn't relevant a simple mind is one that has no tolerance for change, weather it be a topic of conversation or creative idea

[Crazyced]

This is fucking 100% irrelevant.

Show me another 2+2 rwd turbocharged car sub 30K. Oh, wait, there isn't one.Other dude is right. There is one. It's asian too:
http://media.caranddriver.com/images/09q2/267376/2010-hyundai-genesis-coupe-20t-turbo-instrumented-test-car-and-driver-photo-262273-s-429x262.jpg

EDIT: Untill 2014 anyways... Booo

[Almighty So]

this thread isn't to replace another topic, (if you read the topic of the thread it would let you know that )as far as your opinion it doesn't pertain to the topic so it isn't relevant a simple mind is one that has no tolerance for change, weather it be a topic of conversation or creative idea

Except for the fact that this is basically a copy and paste from the future rwd coupes thread which was started because people were all giving their opinion on the same exact thing.

Hate to break it to you but this isn't creative or groundbreaking change within the forum. This is is a thread with a worse title and all the same posts.

Let it die.

[driftsucky]

Other dude is right. There is one. It's asian too:
hyundai junk

EDIT: Untill 2014 anyways... Booo


so the 2nd largest car manufacturer in the world is doing it wrong, but the car company you wouldn't put your red-headed step-sister in gets a nod?
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up.gif

[1988montecarloss]

this thread isn't to replace another topic, (if you read the topic of the thread it would let you know that )as far as your opinion it doesn't pertain to the topic so it isn't relevant a simple mind is one that has no tolerance for change, weather it be a topic of conversation or creative idea

woah there shit thread philosopher slow down

[Future240]

Correct-

I don't know of anyone that bought a NEW S-chassis in the 90's that still has it to this day. The market for these cars didn't hit until after they were already out of production. And if I recall correctly S14's were priced in the low 20's when new.

You are correct. I have the dealership invoice from the original owner of my car. She bought it in 98 for 23K. Se model 5 speed with a sunroof.

[Almighty So]

Well now that you're here can you lock this? Don't know why we need two threads of all the same text posts and opinionated arguing. We have one already and it serves it's purpose just fine.

[240KA]

^ why the fuck do you care? why is it so paramount this gets removed? holy shit another thread that talks about the same stuff as another thread?!!??! omg whyyyyyyyy

stfu and don't come back...why is this bothering you so much?

[Crazyced]

so the 2nd largest car manufacturer in the world is doing it wrong, but the car company you wouldn't put your red-headed step-sister in gets a nod?
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up.gif1. Hyundai have raised their quality by leaps and bound. But hey continue to assume status quo, it has always been a good strategy.

2. Can you specify who you think is 2nd largest? Because it sure as hell isn't Nissan by any measure.

[Almighty So]

l holy shit another thread that talks about the same stuff as another thread?!!??!

There's your answer.

Should we just have two versions of every thread?
Not a big deal right? Who cares.

[jaysgottaredtop]

I have the dealership invoice from the original owner of my car. She bought it in 98 for 23K. Se model 5 speed with a sunroof.
Price comparisons are useless if we're not taking inflation into account.

$23,000 USD in 1998 = $33,444 USD in 2015


Tying this back into the Hyundai discussion: A base model 3.8L 6spd '16 Genesis Coupe starts at $27k, and the high-end "Ultimate" package 3.8L 6spd starts at $33.8k... roughly right on track with that kouki.

[STR8 H8N]

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/376/297/0/S3762970/slug/l/nissan-warrior-concept-05-1.jpg

[driftsucky]

1. Hyundai have raised their quality by leaps and bound. But hey continue to assume status quo, it has always been a good strategy.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts then every day would be like Christmas. Getting down to brass tax: Would you buy one? I can tell you I'd buy a new Mustang if my money wasn't so funny.

2. Can you specify who you think is 2nd largest? Because it sure as hell isn't Nissan by any measure.

No sir. That'd be FERD

[Crazyced]

No sir. That'd be FERD
That would also be wrong. But you've made it clear long ago that you don't know much about cars.

On top of that I never mentioned that Ford did it wrong so why were you bringing that up again? Just slinging shit and hope that something sticks?

Sorry, nothing did.

[driftsucky]

That would also be wrong. But you've made it clear long ago that you don't know much about cars.

On top of that I never mentioned that Ford did it wrong so why were you bringing that up again? Just slinging shit and hope that something sticks?

2...top 10...tomato tomato. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Cars? PSCHTTTT. I don't know much about much. All my info is verified from Wikipedia. If they wrote it, I'll repeat it.

That gif stuck. That's a win in my book.

[LockOn!]

Other dude is right. There is one. It's asian too:

*Hyundai Gen Coupe IMG*

EDIT: Untill 2014 anyways... Booo

Yeah, they dropped the turbo model, so the NA is all you get. Good luck drawing any real power out of it.

New Mustang still stands alone!

[Future240]

Well now that you're here can you lock this? Don't know why we need two threads of all the same text posts and opinionated arguing. We have one already and it serves it's purpose just fine.



Honestly I've been debating locking it since it started, but since people are discussing it and it managed to reach 2 (my pages are 90 posts long) I've decided to leave it for the time being.

[ixfxi]

I don't know of anyone that bought a NEW S-chassis in the 90's that still has it to this day.

I do. Single owner, bought and serviced solely by the dealership with exception to me working on it.

As for my car, I am the second owner and purchased it in the mid 90s.

These people exist, just not on Zilvia.

[s14slowmofo]

Except for the fact that this is basically a copy and paste from the future rwd coupes thread which was started because people were all giving their opinion on the same exact thing.

Hate to break it to you but this isn't creative or groundbreaking change within the forum. This is is a thread with a worse title and all the same posts.

Let it die.

clearly its your opinion as I'm not here to change it but this thread is specifically for nissan as oppose to anything else. if people are speaking in comparison to other vehicle it is an added option .As you impose your own judgement you are wasting your time leave it be if you have obviously read comments then this thread has done its job to intrigue educate and inspire

[Almighty So]

this thread has done its job to intrigue educate and inspire

Hahahahahahahahahaha

[kashira kureijii]

Other dude is right. There is one. It's asian too:


Just because something is also Asian doesn't mean it as good as Japan. I don't think all those other third world countries like Korea and China are close to Japan standards :drama::drama:

That's is like saying that stuff made in Mexico is as good as stuff made in the USA because they are on the same continent, so are technically both "american".

Or that stuff made in France is the same as stuff made in Germany because they are both European.

[feito]

China is not a third world country. And "made in the USA" has a different meaning than it did 20 years ago, as Im sure it then had a different meaning than 40 years ago. I've lost a lot of hope in stuff made in this country. I feel like our quality control has gone down significantly and our working ethic has been lost. Everything from a simple burger, to a damn car.
Meanwhile, across seas and borders, practicing is making perfect.

[kashira kureijii]

China is not a third world country.

lol

when they stop being a bunch of neo-communists who repress there own people and destroy their own environment I'll believe you hahaha

China isn't going to be up to Japan quality standards anytime soon and that's a fact. They are quite literally the most inefficient and inept nation ever. Until they stop promoting a soul-crushing confucian status quo they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Japan has accomplished more and makes better products, because they were willing to become more westernized. I've talked with many consultants who work with China and they'll tell you the same. Thats not to say they don't get stuff done, they just get it done using 25 people for a one man job with little supervision.

I'll give an example, The net Value of GDP not the amount of GDP for 2014 were

USA:15 trillion
China: 7 trillion
Japan:6 trillion.


This is how much the countries products were actually worth in 2014. China might make a bunch of trinkets, but trinkets aren't worth much. Also to emphasize the differences, Japan is an island with no real natural resources, and a high percentage of Elderly people (pop 119 million). China has a shit ton of natural resources, and plenty of people to exploit them (1 billion+) and yet the actual value of the products they produce isn't much more than Japans.

everyone just wants to feel good around here and accept everything! it was kinda obvious by the popcorn that I was waiting to spring the argument trap mang.


http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag23/neko-romancer95/dfffdfb7100910210bbd9c717d5de45c_zpsgl0wnn6l.jpg (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/neko-romancer95/media/dfffdfb7100910210bbd9c717d5de45c_zpsgl0wnn6l.jpg.h tml)

[feito]

^yeah, I knew that would derail the conversation. I was just talking from my personal point of view. I work on all makes and models, and I dont really see much difference in quality on a new kia than in a new ford or nissan. But my opinion is only based on doing repairs on them and short test drives, so it might not be valid. One thing I can tell you thou, the materials used on dodges suck dick, worse than any other maker I've worked on.
And we dont need to hide messages. What are we 19 or something?
Very creative but I do believe we have the Nissan altima in that body styling already
That was the whole point. I like simplicity, and I dont think the body on the altima coupe looks half bad. If it could only be put on a diet, re-configure to RWD, touch up the front and rear ends, and be had for under 10k I'd be all in :rofl:
here's something else I did. Just throwing ideas around and trying to use nissan's current styles
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j341/andres14oj/002AE18B-601A-498C-8EE2-4718B13DDEAB_zpsai7btths.jpg (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/andres14oj/media/002AE18B-601A-498C-8EE2-4718B13DDEAB_zpsai7btths.jpg.html)

[derass]

Have any of you from the US considered buying a new 370Z from Canada? With today's exchanged it would be ~$21k USD before tax and everything else. Seems like a good deal but there has to be a catch.

[STR8 H8N]

^yeah, I knew that would derail the conversation. I was just talking from my personal point of view. I work on all makes and models, and I dont really see much difference in quality on a new kia than in a new ford or nissan. But my opinion is only based on doing repairs on them and short test drives, so it might not be valid. One thing I can tell you thou, the materials used on dodges suck dick, worse than any other maker I've worked on.
And we dont need to hide messages. What are we 19 or something?

That was the whole point. I like simplicity, and I dont think the body on the altima coupe looks half bad. If it could only be put on a diet, re-configure to RWD, touch up the front and rear ends, and be had for under 10k I'd be all in :rofl:
here's something else I did. Just throwing ideas around and trying to use nissan's current styles
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j341/andres14oj/002AE18B-601A-498C-8EE2-4718B13DDEAB_zpsai7btths.jpg (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/andres14oj/media/002AE18B-601A-498C-8EE2-4718B13DDEAB_zpsai7btths.jpg.html)

mustang ???

[mhubeny180sx]

mustang ???

thats what i thought too lol mustang + maxima

[jaysgottaredtop]

Well at least we can all agree that it's a good thing feito isn't a car designer.

[s14slowmofo]

^yeah, I knew that would derail the conversation. I was just talking from my personal point of view. I work on all makes and models, and I dont really see much difference in quality on a new kia than in a new ford or nissan. But my opinion is only based on doing repairs on them and short test drives, so it might not be valid. One thing I can tell you thou, the materials used on dodges suck dick, worse than any other maker I've worked on.
And we dont need to hide messages. What are we 19 or something?

That was the whole point. I like simplicity, and I dont think the body on the altima coupe looks half bad. If it could only be put on a diet, re-configure to RWD, touch up the front and rear ends, and be had for under 10k I'd be all in :rofl:
here's something else I did. Just throwing ideas around and trying to use nissan's current styles
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j341/andres14oj/002AE18B-601A-498C-8EE2-4718B13DDEAB_zpsai7btths.jpg (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/andres14oj/media/002AE18B-601A-498C-8EE2-4718B13DDEAB_zpsai7btths.jpg.html)
that's pretty nice although price's typically wouldn't start at that, as Nissan couldn't mass produce for that price although its a great idea none the less and a great drawing

[s14slowmofo]

Well at least we can all agree that it's a good thing feito isn't a car designer.

if you think you can do a better impression than what he has done show it
creative idea's have always started from a paper and a pencil

[feito]

lol, of course I was just kidding with the price.
And I can't say I like either of my drawings. What Im doing is trying to get the ball rolling, get the flow going. We might just come out with a nice design/idea, even if it's just for shits and giggles. We already know what we want and can expect mechanically. Dimensions and interior and exterior design is the main concern IMO.
Also, yes, headlights and some of the body lines are very similar to other nissans because Im trying to be realistic. That's what they do. Similar styles with different dimensions and positions. At least that what I see.
I will keep playing around and see what abomination I come out with next xD

[STR8 H8N]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zPA2lsZEYWg/UamjleCLBlI/AAAAAAAAGGc/s3u3yeVRE20/s1600/Car3.jpg

[SoundEfx]

I wonder if the 'realistic car drawings' guy could come up with something?

[s14slowmofo]

[QUOTE=feito;6007767]lol, of course I was just kidding with the price.
And I can't say I like either of my drawings. What Im doing is trying to get the ball rolling, get the flow going. We might just come out with a nice design/idea, even if it's just for shits and giggles. We already know what we want and can expect mechanically. Dimensions and interior and exterior design is the main concern IMO.
Also, yes, headlights and some of the body lines are very similar to other nissans because Im trying to be realistic. That's what they do. Similar styles with different dimensions and positions. At least that what I see.
I will keep playing around and see what abomination I come out with next xD[/QUOTE

exactly what this thread is about

[s14slowmofo]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zPA2lsZEYWg/UamjleCLBlI/AAAAAAAAGGc/s3u3yeVRE20/s1600/Car3.jpg

very futuristic always great seeing people chime in with great ideas

[feito]

A simpler version of.. You already know
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j341/andres14oj/67B7BBDE-CCB7-4613-AC22-A36A387ECD5B_zpswp4snezq.jpg (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/andres14oj/media/67B7BBDE-CCB7-4613-AC22-A36A387ECD5B_zpswp4snezq.jpg.html)

[Kuma]

Have any of you from the US considered buying a new 370Z from Canada? With today's exchanged it would be ~$21k USD before tax and everything else. Seems like a good deal but there has to be a catch.

Does the 25 year rule apply to Canadian market vehicles?

[driftsucky]

A simpler version of.. You already know
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j341/andres14oj/67B7BBDE-CCB7-4613-AC22-A36A387ECD5B_zpswp4snezq.jpg (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/andres14oj/media/67B7BBDE-CCB7-4613-AC22-A36A387ECD5B_zpswp4snezq.jpg.html)

I'd rock that.

[SoundEfx]

Does the 25 year rule apply to Canadian market vehicles?

I don't know the exact number, but I think that it's less than 25. It might be 15 or something.

[ixfxi]

whats with these sketches, reminds me of kids in class who used to draw cars

get a job, you bum

[jaysgottaredtop]

He's just trying to get the ball rolling, dude.

You know, in case Nissan execs decide to ignore their staffed design team and instead come browsing through internet forums for concept ideas.

[SoundEfx]

He's just trying to get the ball rolling, dude.

You know, in case Nissan execs decide to ignore their staffed design team and instead come browsing through internet forums for concept ideas.

You never know man.... you never know....lol

[feito]

lol, well i actually like to draw, i had forgotten how much I like it. This is all for fun and those are all 10 minutes sketches, so no biggie. I guess I though more people would show their ideas of what a future s-chassis might look like on paper. Guess I also forgot this is zilvia haha

[SoundEfx]

I would... But I can't draw to save my life....lol

But who knows, some baller on here might show a 3D rendering or some shyt of what they think it might look like.

[Aesthetics45]

You want to know what Nissan is really up too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNlhyrv6rZQ


RIP S-chassis

[spooled240]

that 180sx must've been running on 2 cylinders for that to happen lol

[ixfxi]

that 180sx must've been running on 2 cylinders for that to happen lol

maybe it was an NA 180SX. and did anyone pause and look at the speedo? the leaf hit 7.5 kmh! hold shit, thats an equivalent of about 5mph.

"hey bro, i'll race you 0-10 for pinks!"

btw, whats the meaning of the horse again? does it have to do with that horse and driver being one? MEH.

[derass]

Nissan is just shitting on their young customers (edit: with that advertisement). We want the S-chassis, not another sub-compact POS. There's already the Leaf, Cube, Mirca and god knows what else. What an insult it is implying that whatever that car was will surpass its predecessors and become the pinnacle of Nissan tuning culture.

[s14slowmofo]

You want to know what Nissan is really up too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNlhyrv6rZQ


RIP S-chassis

that's not what they are actually up to, as this vehicle has already been released :)

[s14slowmofo]

He's just trying to get the ball rolling, dude.

You know, in case Nissan execs decide to ignore their staffed design team and instead come browsing through internet forums for concept ideas.

a simple mind will alway's be a limited one

[s14slowmofo]

A simpler version of.. You already know
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j341/andres14oj/67B7BBDE-CCB7-4613-AC22-A36A387ECD5B_zpswp4snezq.jpg (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/andres14oj/media/67B7BBDE-CCB7-4613-AC22-A36A387ECD5B_zpswp4snezq.jpg.html)



nice job with this picture

[s14slowmofo]

Nissan is just shitting on their young customers. We want the S-chassis, not another sub-compact POS. There's already the Leaf, Cube, Mirca and god knows what else. What an insult it is implying that whatever that car was will surpass its predecessors and become the pinnacle of Nissan tuning culture.

if this is how you feel.. provide your thoughts on what you want to see as this is a thread to voice your own

[derass]

if this is how you feel.. provide your thoughts on what you want to see...

In the end, it doesn't matter what we, the enthusiast, want. This type of car we want isn't profitable and Nissan knows it. I remember reading about how the FR-S / BRZ weren't selling well and Hyundai has discontinued the 2.0T Genesis. Nissan offers the 370Z to its enthusiast and that's good enough for them. But it's not all bad, the price of the Z was reduced last year to $30k CAD. When the Toyaburu is $27k, I'd take the Z in a heartbeat.

Just for fun here's what I'd like to see: a small, RWD, turbocharged 4-cylinder. A 2.0L based on the QR, direction injection and twin-scroll would be good for 300 hp. Should be offered in various trim-levels, from bare bones to all the modern amenities. As for styling, I like the Altima-inspired design posted by feito: it's a good evolution from the S15. I would just lose the grill.

Nissan was on the right track with the ID-X. Too bad...

http://bopacar.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2017-Nissan-IDx-exterior-design.jpg

[kashira kureijii]

Nissan was on the right track with the ID-X. Too bad...


I have a strange feeling right now, almost like we've been over this before....

OH WAIT! we have! LAST year! it involved goth chicks and the diameter of their thighs.....there was also some mention of ID-X's. good times....good times

I thought it was cool man. but it in all seriousness was just a tease meant to revive passions that haven't existed for a long time. It seems that we have been waiting for so long to have something cool and new that we will accept whatever even if it disappoints us. the same idea as that mustang turbo deal.like some sort of old horny monk waiting for enlightenment to stave of the innevitable disappointment that is waking up again not having achieved Buddhahood. but when enlightenment comes, it comes in the form of caterpillars.No Nirvana to achieve in this Silvia realm, that cannot be found in what we have.

The Silvia's you know and love are a thing of the past, which are a good thing that can only occur in a single moment.

There is no hope, you stare into a dark sea of crossovers.

this is your life now

There is no spoon!

[jaysgottaredtop]

In the end, it doesn't matter what we, the enthusiast, want. This type of car we want isn't profitable and Nissan knows it.

Nissan was on the right track with the ID-X. Too bad...


/thread

/msglngth

[DriftingBrandon]

Someone photoshop the best variant for a S16.

[STR8 H8N]

https://bennetttrev.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/car-sketch_1.jpg

[driftsucky]

That sketch is nice, but that concept looks like it'd be more than 45k

[s14slowmofo]

https://bennetttrev.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/car-sketch_1.jpg

You are very creative and this is a very interesting design great work

[racepar1]

Fuck Mustangs, go post on a Ford forum already.

[BossHogg]

Correct-

I don't know of anyone that bought a NEW S-chassis in the 90's that still has it to this day. The market for these cars didn't hit until after they were already out of production. And if I recall correctly S14's were priced in the low 20's when new.

still have one also. Granted I was 7 when my parents bought one brand new in 1992. I have window sticker and all the brochures. I still have the doors, dash and other various parts off of that car. SE hatch.... I totaled that SOB out years ago lol (my first car, learned how to drive in that 240). I am 31 now, have had an s-chassis in my life 24 years (:tweak:). It's not that the s-chassis market wasn't big globally, we were just behind as a demographic (it sucked). I partly blame the KA for that also. If we would of got the sr20, there would have been a market way earlier. Turbo's attract enthusiasts lol.

[spray2020]

I think the idx thinking its very good for a tuner market vehicle. As is it is hitting all the functionality and styling that a younger owner modern sports car should have.

Since all the s-chassis have that long and low proportion, you could take the idx concept and put it into a s15 proportion, and it already gives it a more aggressive feeling. Super quick/ dirty chop.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/it066yen/s15%20idx.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/it066yen/media/s15%20idx.jpg.html)

[driftsucky]

Fuck Mustangs. Go post on a Ford forum already.

Fixed.

Since all the s-chassis have that long and low proportion, you could take the idx concept and put it into a s15 proportion, and it already gives it a more aggressive feeling. Super quick/ dirty chop.
solid work


I think if you could make a stock version, that'd give a more valid scenario

[SoundEfx]

But isn't the problem the fact that the days of the 'big' coupes are done/gone?
Car manufactures can't afford to make a S14 size coupe anymore, so basically they would have to remake the S13.

[driftsucky]

What? G37, GTR, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, Genesis, M3, C63?, ETC...Sans the FRS/TC, I'm pretty sure I can comfortably fit in every new coupe on the market...and I'm fat. I mean, people say I'm big and that I "carry my weight well", but we all know what that means. It's like the whole big bones thing...ain't no bones in my stomach.

[scottie]

S Chassis Fans = Chicago Cub Fans


Nissan doesn't care about the majority enthusiast. Either show up with $100K for the GTR or a pillow for the Z.

[STR8 H8N]

http://www.sidewaysat11.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Scion-FR-S-Convertible.jpg

[SoundEfx]

That looks like a convertible FR-S/BR-Z.

[240KA]

spray2020 - that chop looks good. i've always thought the IDX looked small, but had some cool lines. lengthening the IDX looks way good. could you lengthen the IDX that derass posted earlier in the page?

[feito]

fuck. That s15 proportioned IDX looks fucking good.