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91CRXsiR
09-10-2004, 12:34 AM
http://i2.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/6e/d6/e0_1.JPG
http://i12.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/6d/3e/c4_1.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7921148377&category=33716

s13driver
09-10-2004, 12:41 AM
for that kinda money i would rather get the late version of the 180sx tail-light. but if the final price of that is under 200 then it is a different story :/

holisticbeatz
09-10-2004, 12:41 AM
It's about time.. How 'bout a group buy? Seriously though, I would rock 'em if I had a S13 fastback. Anybody else? I didn't hear anyone talking shiEt about Tanaguchi's S15 when he came here for D1 and he was rockin' Final Konexion Euro tail lights.

Brian
09-10-2004, 12:45 AM
by "finally" do you mean "a long time ago" ?

Salty_X
09-10-2004, 02:14 AM
Yeah, they've been out for some time now.
That auction price is way too expensive also; You can get them on YahooJP for like half that...

And I would totally put them on a hatch, but with the chrome housings. :bowrofl:

vvtisupra
09-10-2004, 03:05 AM
they don't look too bad I'd paint the center tho

Drunk Bastard
09-10-2004, 03:06 AM
i would break them if i saw them.

phrozen
09-10-2004, 03:45 AM
very old.... i would break em too...

TheTimanator
09-10-2004, 06:19 AM
And I would totally put them on a hatch, but with the chrome housings. :bowrofl: :barf:
Did you used to own a honda? haha j/k

They may be nothing new but I've never seen for sale on ebay before. $455 and 5 days to go? haha. People are dumb. Personally, I'm tired of kouki lights. People have them on totally stock cars. It just looks funny to me on an S13 with a zenki or even chuki front bumper for that matter. They're just a more aggressive newer style design while our cars stock are not at all. Just my opinion though....

I'd personally like a set of the clearcorners.com tail lights.

boro240
09-10-2004, 06:34 AM
by "finally" do you mean "a long time ago" ?
LOL.

message length...

MakotoS13
09-10-2004, 06:42 AM
i'm getting kouki lights cause mine are dead and cause they look cool. i won't be buying these faggot altezza's cause they are queer. they look cheap and koukis are a thousand times hotter.

S13SilviaGirl
09-10-2004, 06:53 AM
i'm getting kouki lights cause mine are dead and cause they look cool. i won't be buying these faggot altezza's cause they are queer. they look cheap and koukis are a thousand times hotter.


Wow, your large vocabulary astounds me....... :keke:
and FYI those are kouki tails....just modified....

aznpoopy
09-10-2004, 06:58 AM
i'd rock em. sunken wheels (got those) and a giant spoiler, and i'm set. hey, its RWD, so its functional!

actually if they aren't bad quality and fairly cheap it might be worth it to pick some up and dye the glass red?

tastyratz
09-10-2004, 07:07 AM
actually those dont look THAT bad rice-o-phobes. i mean they could use some work but be happy its not like the hondas and mitsus (can we say eclipses with the big chrom strip and little red dots all the way across! lol) with this big piece of chrom sprayed plastic and this itty bitty red light in the center. those look like they are pretty decent and id buy them if they were cheap then just tint them to almost pure black and make those the base for my clearcorners.com rip off tails im gonna make for myself..

S13SilviaGirl
09-10-2004, 07:12 AM
tastyratz.... they come smoked too....they actually look descent...if you want em they are like $550 around the corner from us....hehehe not that you want em, just well yeah.

CoasTek240
09-10-2004, 09:24 AM
ughh, this is so old and yet it still keeps coming up: "ohh no, they finally made altezza tail lamps for the s13, we must suck!"
if you dont like them, dont buy em, laugh at them...whatever
if you like them, buy them, rock them around town, and always look over your shoulder, cuz ill find you and break your tail lamps for looking gay as shit

***disclaimer: i wouldnt actually take time out of my life to break any altezza tail lamps, I just think they look like shit!***

Ritz S14
09-10-2004, 09:29 AM
NO! NO! NO! and NO!

old_s13
09-10-2004, 09:31 AM
:barf:
I'd personally like a set of the clearcorners.com tail lights.

yeah, me too... ;)

old_s13
09-10-2004, 09:34 AM
the funny thing is, i dont know how any of you guys can comment and say "they are good, or they arent that bad" when the picture itself is shitty and doesnt TRULY show the product. how do companies expect to sell a light when you dont even see how it looks closeup, nor do you see it illuminated?

you're selling a tail light, NOT a stationary paper weight. people should see how it lights up and the build quality. but, im sure they if they did that, they wouldnt be able to sell them as much.

HyperTek
09-10-2004, 09:56 AM
any idea if these where influenced by american market?? Like I said in a previous thread, hopefully APC doesnt lurk these forums....

andrave
09-10-2004, 11:16 AM
I think they should make ones for the hatch like they do for the eclipse. the clear ones that are clear all the way across, and therefore look totally gay, and the owners keep referring to them as "altezzas" even though the word altezza refers to a specific type of taillight, mainly that pioneered by the toyota altezza. Which was not a full clear taillight.
That way we can not just get pervious honda owners to spend lots of money on a 15 year old rusty car and then wreck it onto a curb, into a pole, or over a hill thinking they are drifters, but we can also lure some of those DSM owners into doing the same. cause we'd finally have full clear taillights too. That would be what brought them over. whoa. drifting is awesome. its the new street racing, which was the new drag racing, which was the new mini truck movement, which was the van movement, which really started cause hippies didn't have no place to live so they bought vans, and they didn't have no place to live cause of drugs, which made a bunch of columbians rich.

I therefore blame columbia. lets nuke it.

TUnity2
09-10-2004, 11:29 AM
they arent that bad, i would never waste my money on them, but, they look better then stock USDM tails.

AAA240SX
09-10-2004, 12:31 PM
they look decent, but i wouldn't rock em. with that money you can get an APR wing and stickers...i heard those are cool - lets all buy em...

CoasTek240
09-10-2004, 12:36 PM
this thread makes me want to stab a dull object into my eyeball!

Shin_Kudo
09-10-2004, 12:52 PM
I agree, these are decent, I wouldn't buy them, but they look worlds better than the chrome ones.

Now, has anyone seen the S14 euro / altezza talis? Now those are truly hideous.

RedlineRacer
09-10-2004, 01:01 PM
Those taillights don't even come with the filler piece that goes under the taillights.

MakotoS13
09-10-2004, 01:05 PM
Wow, your large vocabulary astounds me....... :keke:
and FYI those are kouki tails....just modified....

yeah, i bet.

next time i'll be sure to write a five page essay over the pros and cons of the aforementioned tailights instead of providing a blunt, concise statement depicting my opinion.

yeah... okay, shirly.

misnomer
09-10-2004, 03:31 PM
hehe, nobody ever listens to old_s13 :P Not like he would know what he was talking about when it comes to lights, of course! If you are considering spending that much money, here are some questions to ask: What's the transparent covering made of and how thick is it? How is the lighting? For over five hundred bucks, I'd expect some more details on them.

My opinions: Not a big fan of the look. Too flashy and too complex looking. Might work on a newer car with more angles and funky trim stuff (new Celicas and the like). The s13 has a smooth shape and needs smooth tail lights-- I think it even looks wierd with the kouki tails

Teh Luckinator
09-10-2004, 03:47 PM
Oh dear god.

nightwalker
09-10-2004, 05:20 PM
good thing I already have Kouki lights.

HaLo
09-10-2004, 05:30 PM
Very nice, I want some...

Someone would buy my kouki tails ???

240silvia
09-10-2004, 08:11 PM
WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?! Is this a RICE forum now??????? Altezza???? Altezza???? You would "Rock" them :tweak: :tweak: ...... Here's you... "Mmmm yea Hi.... my name is umm... William.... hehe... and ummm... I have a like a... ummm..... 240... and I just got these really cool light thingies...... hehehe yea... I think they are called... Euro's .... :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: FAG!!!!!!!!!!!

GOD.... what is the 240 world coming to???? One of the points of Zilvia is to get away from those ricers.... I think Mark would agree with that... You know... I leave for 3 months or so.... and come back to this??? What ever happened to JDM?

Oh... and to answer your question about the S15.... it's an S15!!!!! That little 5 foot jap can have whatever he wants on there. It can be pink with rainbows all over it!!! And you want to know why.... because it's D1. When you are on the tour..... you can have them... unti then... WHAT!?!?! Say something!!!!!!

Halo.... are you serious bro????

240silvia
09-10-2004, 08:22 PM
ughh, this is so old and yet it still keeps coming up: "ohh no, they finally made altezza tail lamps for the s13, we must suck!"
if you dont like them, dont buy em, laugh at them...whatever
if you like them, buy them, rock them around town, and always look over your shoulder, cuz ill find you and break your tail lamps for looking gay as shit

***disclaimer: i wouldnt actually take time out of my life to break any altezza tail lamps, I just think they look like shit!***





:werd: :werd: :werd: :werd: :werd: Thank you... I knew there were some of you left.

HaLo
09-10-2004, 08:32 PM
Halo.... are you serious bro????

No, not really. ;)

old_s13
09-10-2004, 08:40 PM
WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?! Is this a RICE forum now??????? Altezza???? Altezza???? You would "Rock" them :tweak: :tweak: ...... Here's you... "Mmmm yea Hi.... my name is umm... William.... hehe... and ummm... I have a like a... ummm..... 240... and I just got these really cool light thingies...... hehehe yea... I think they are called... Euro's .... :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: :ghey: FAG!!!!!!!!!!!

GOD.... what is the 240 world coming to???? One of the points of Zilvia is to get away from those ricers.... I think Mark would agree with that... You know... I leave for 3 months or so.... and come back to this??? What ever happened to JDM?

Oh... and to answer your question about the S15.... it's an S15!!!!! That little 5 foot jap can have whatever he wants on there. It can be pink with rainbows all over it!!! And you want to know why.... because it's D1. When you are on the tour..... you can have them... unti then... WHAT!?!?! Say something!!!!!!

Halo.... are you serious bro????

1) dont use the word jap

2) stop over reacting, they're just tail lights

3) shut up

thanks

mike

ps: i should say shut the fuck up, but i just woke up and im too sensative right now.

dct223
09-10-2004, 08:43 PM
whiew... s14 still safe =P

slideyourride
09-10-2004, 10:06 PM
wow those are ugly.... 500 bucks.. id rather get the 180 jdm style :bow:

tastyratz
09-10-2004, 10:07 PM
whoa whoa whoa back up a few posts... did i just hear old_s13 say he was sensitive?

KA24DESOneThree
09-10-2004, 10:43 PM
... I've never seen 'em for the Silvia. Is it still a bastion of decent taste?

240silvia
09-10-2004, 11:39 PM
lol... nice Mike.... I can always count on you to put in your .02. You know... come to think of it.... every post that I have made that contains some sort of negative answer and/or reply.... you have jumped on my case about it, lol. Also, is whop better? Huh? Maybe? Ok nevermind.... Hey Mike... How about a nice cup of SHUT THE :fawk2: UP??? :bow: Have a nice day! :D

OptionZero
09-11-2004, 12:06 AM
Ur the guy who couldn't even tell Halo was being sarcastic. Besides, using a rascist term so freely and being so fuckin ignorant...ur just making a fool of your self

Why the fuck does it matter if its an s15? its still a car with altezzas...

If you rock it, rock it.

Just because they're out doesn't suddenly mean your 240sx is uncool.

On second thought, yes it does. Sell that piece of shit then. Buy car that doesn't have altezzas made for it: a Daewoo.

SW20Racer
09-11-2004, 12:08 AM
its W.O.P. stands for "without papers" usually reserved for italians

old_s13
09-11-2004, 12:19 AM
whoa whoa whoa back up a few posts... did i just hear old_s13 say he was sensitive?

what can i say man, when i wake up i'm a bit of a biaaaaaaaaatch.. but now i am drunk and am back to being my normal angry bastard self.. so shut it. haha


every post that I have made that contains some sort of negative answer and/or reply.... you have jumped on my case about it, lol

who cares? hehe i talk shit to everyone, you think i sit here and look at who i am talking to? NOPE. i just talk trash to any remark that peaks my interest...

konichiwa, BITCHES

WilloW
09-11-2004, 12:20 AM
whiew... s14 still safe =P

I'll sport that shit like a new pair of Air Jordan the day they make it, hahha.

HaLo
09-11-2004, 12:30 AM
Ur the guy who couldn't even tell Halo was being sarcastic.

Was it that obvious? :p

s14srpilot
09-11-2004, 01:26 AM
i'm getting kouki lights cause mine are dead and cause they look cool. i won't be buying these faggot altezza's cause they are queer. they look cheap and koukis are a thousand times hotter.

Kouki lights look cool? Hoppin' on the bandwagon are we? :down:

OptionZero
09-11-2004, 01:50 AM
Pretty much.
Besides, even if you were serious, that just makes it more ridiculous. The guy says its ok for an S15 to have altezzas "becuz its an s15"

But Halo, the autoX championgrandmastersupreme of Zilvia is somehow less worthy of Altezza-ness?

thats fucked up mang

evilimport
09-11-2004, 02:02 AM
Ive got better things to spend my money on than those things.....



like hookers.

mrmephistopheles
09-11-2004, 02:02 AM
but now i am drunk
are you up to a whole margarita now, or will a half still get you sloshed?

mrmephistopheles
09-11-2004, 02:05 AM
jap, 'whop', fag, etc

User banned for racial/discriminatory remarks.

kazuo
09-11-2004, 02:21 AM
a Sensitive Mike is a Sexy Mike...

And if I had a hatch and they were like, $100, I'd rock 'em... they're kinda baller

Better than the stock lights, hahahahha

But for that price... fuck it, get Kouki lights

silviasichigo
09-11-2004, 05:00 AM
Hmmm Thoes look really gooD I would sport them bitches If I had a hatch back. But I ahve a 14 and a 13 coup so can't do it. I like them though

tastyratz
09-11-2004, 09:44 AM
go mephisto :-) we dont need that shit. and yea for the price id get the real 180 tails. you guys act like the gp sports ones werent out before this. gp sports tails are WICKED bad lookin stock, these arent that bad. id rock them after i smoked them black and im not too riceophobe to admit it. im the first one to make altezza jokes and point and laugh and rag on the ricers but these really arent bad and with a little work can be nice. if the quality is good id make some cool shit. im all for the painted black and not for chrome tails

old_s13
09-11-2004, 10:19 AM
the problem i have here, isnt that they look bad.

the problem i am having here is, that they look CHEAP.

HaLo
09-11-2004, 04:09 PM
But Halo, the autoX championgrandmastersupreme of Zilvia is somehow less worthy of Altezza-ness?


Pretty much... it's because I haven't won a championship, yet. ;) The moment I do, I can rock some Altezzas, Clearcorners, Pink paint and vynils all over my car... :)

MakotoS13
09-11-2004, 05:05 PM
the problem i am having here is, that they look CHEAP.

ding ding ding and we have winner folx.

ryan hagen
09-11-2004, 05:19 PM
i tinted my stock ones, i like them, but if those were cheap i get them and tint them, i think itd look better with-out the seam between the tail lamp and blinker. but i d never just use a tail light like that, too much bling for my car she's ugly

Shin_Kudo
09-11-2004, 05:19 PM
I'll sport that shit like a new pair of Air Jordan the day they make it, hahha.

They make for S14, in several styles as well. I've seen them in a magazine, can't remember if it was US or JDM.

WilloW
09-11-2004, 06:05 PM
They make for S14, in several styles as well. I've seen them in a magazine, can't remember if it was US or JDM.
That's cool, I was just kidding though.

alkemyst
09-11-2004, 07:41 PM
Rape on shipping is all I can say. The center garish needs work I think, but the outer lights don't look so bad to me. Still I think a GTR copy on the S13 would be more fitting than IS300 crap.

Shin_Kudo
09-11-2004, 09:12 PM
That's cool, I was just kidding though.

Oops, I meant to quote the guy you quoted, who said S14 is safe.

Gladman
09-11-2004, 09:19 PM
If they were cheaper id buy them, spray the center piece body color and paint the tails with transparent red.

They have the nice Kouki tail light cuts and no seam. Id hit em up for like $50 :D

chris4130
09-12-2004, 02:26 AM
What ever happened to JDM?

First- Those are JDM....

Second- JDM is retarded... what you do to YOUR car shoudl be YOUR style... if it's japanese "styled" thats cool... if not who cares.. do it because you like it not because it's a trend

exitspeed
09-12-2004, 02:05 PM
by "finally" do you mean "a long time ago" ? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

ThatGuy
09-12-2004, 02:18 PM
If you don't like them there is no need to post, however if you like and want to put them your car, feel free to post. That way we'll know who we're making fun of when we see them on your car. :D

allenlaw
09-12-2004, 04:53 PM
well, it's really expensive man... cost already $400 in ebay... i prefer kouki one, dude

Twinkie
09-12-2004, 06:05 PM
altezza lights are hella gay. period.

Salty_X
09-12-2004, 11:56 PM
It could be worse... (http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/70011616)

old_s13
09-13-2004, 12:06 AM
http://img133.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/9/1/6/4/hitomikazu-img496x316-1093079013te-ru.jpg

can i rock these with red bulbs so the cops dont pull me over?

better yet, maybe some LCD bulbs.. the ones that are plug in, low cost and very effektive

Shin_Kudo
09-13-2004, 12:44 AM
Wow, those taillights look like a photoshop. They also look like ass.

Apollyon
09-13-2004, 12:51 AM
IMO, the JDM fanboy craze is just as lame as the ricer one. ricer just looks uglier.

old_s13
09-13-2004, 10:36 AM
http://img133.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/9/1/6/4/hitomikazu-img600x450-1093078410kuria_teru.jpg

http://img133.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/9/1/6/4/hitomikazu-img600x450-1093079042kuriyaa.jpg

" Wow, those taillights look like a photoshop. They also look like ass. "

do you REALLY want more? jeez.. if you clicked on the link you'de see its NOT photochop, maing.

SoCalS14
09-13-2004, 10:39 AM
They also look like ass.

:werd: I agree

Shin_Kudo
09-13-2004, 11:31 AM
I did click the link. I know they're real. They just look like a photoshop. Wasn't saying they were.

tastyratz
09-13-2004, 03:17 PM
now those tails are sad. im not gonna bitch and whine, but kinda look at them like those poor starving 3rd world country commercials for abused malnutritioned children on latenite tv...

jdmsilvia909
09-13-2004, 05:30 PM
i would break, burn and throw them into the ocean those clear taillights and the wannabe kouki taillights suck and if ur going to spend $500 bucks on fakes something is wrong with you, its better if you spend that kind of money on the real kouki they are way, way, way, better

AllenRPS13
09-14-2004, 02:38 AM
oh... i prefer kouki one... this one... look so weird... also i dun like it at all altho it's rare in usa... i rather keep my JDM zenki one...

silviasichigo
09-14-2004, 05:40 AM
I would still get them they will look good with the right set up........and well my car has the right set up.

Legacy
09-14-2004, 01:14 PM
by "finally" do you mean "a long time ago" ?

For real! On behalf of everyone I'd like to welcome you from out of your cave.

andrave
09-14-2004, 03:59 PM
hey full clear ones! yay! now we can get people with names like "DSMlvr" and "11stalon" or "boostedGSX" starting threads like "what do I do, my s13 is rusty" or "help, I drove into a curb/over a hill in my s13 while drifting in a mall parking lot at 8 pm on saturday" or "check it out, pics of my intake/exhaust, and coilovers!"

mrmephistopheles
09-16-2004, 08:29 PM
http://img133.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/9/1/6/4/hitomikazu-img600x450-1093078410kuria_teru.jpg

There's a black 180 that has a set of those around here.

lumbo007
09-17-2004, 01:50 AM
there's a guy that actually bid on them... be on the lookout! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7922701322&category=33716

check out the other stuff he bought... he he he... ricer alert!

91CRXsiR
09-17-2004, 09:10 PM
For real! On behalf of everyone I'd like to welcome you from out of your cave.

sorry don't really keep updated w/ rice products


you guys subscribe to a newsletter or something? :newbie:

KwKouki
09-17-2004, 09:37 PM
Am I the ONLY that think NOBs s15 looks better with the euros?? Its only his car, though. I dont like them on any other s15s

KiDyNomiTe
09-17-2004, 10:38 PM
[QUOTE=240silvia]
That little 5 foot jap can have whatever he wants on there. QUOTE]
He is actually quite tall, or regular sized compared to the average american. And its not so much that its an S15 its that he is good at driving, if you can back it up then its all good, also he probably got them for free. And lastly they have altezzas because of us, thier is a big trend in Japan that they want our stuff (look at bBs over there, they have Scion badges on them :duh: )

You always want what you can't have.

RBS14
09-17-2004, 10:45 PM
All I can say is wow. actually i'll say this too, take a look at Mike's site. See if you even want to consider those lights after visiting his sight.

www.clearcorners.com

[/free advertisement for a grade AA asshole!]

MakotoS13
09-17-2004, 11:01 PM
what do you get with flashing neons and dancing things? it's a rave!

240skyline
09-18-2004, 09:05 PM
Altezzas suck ass. 240's were original cause there wasn't alot of that dress up bs.Now their just becoming some yuppy kids play toy.Thank god I live in NS Canada and the 240 is still a very rare car cause I definatley would smash those lights if I seen them on a Zenki......CAN YOU SAY TACKY AS FUCK.The kouki lights set up is definatley the way to go,suits the 240 WAY better.

mike13
09-18-2004, 09:32 PM
Altezzas suck ass. 240's were original cause there wasn't alot of that dress up bs.Now their just becoming some yuppy kids play toy.Thank god I live in NS Canada and the 240 is still a very rare car cause I definatley would smash those lights if I seen them on a Zenki......CAN YOU SAY TACKY AS FUCK.The kouki lights set up is definatley the way to go,suits the 240 WAY better.
STFU, moron. 3 days ago you wanted to bondo-graft GTR headlights onto your car.

nismo2491
09-18-2004, 10:43 PM
hey full clear ones! yay! now we can get people with names like "DSMlvr" and "11stalon" or "boostedGSX" starting threads like "what do I do, my s13 is rusty" or "help, I drove into a curb/over a hill in my s13 while drifting in a mall parking lot at 8 pm on saturday" or "check it out, pics of my intake/exhaust, and coilovers!"
what the hell is that supposed to mean? I'm a dsm lover and had an 11 sec talon but you don't see me pulling dumb shit like that do you? grow up dude. realise that there is life outside of 240sx and that other cars are decent too.
KEvin

WilloW
09-18-2004, 11:13 PM
STFU, moron. 3 days ago you wanted to bondo-graft GTR headlights onto your car.
Hahah :Owned:

andrave
09-18-2004, 11:17 PM
case in point, all the damn ricers in the world go out and hump s13's all day long thinking they are drifting. and asking stupid questions every step of the way...

91CRXsiR
09-19-2004, 04:53 AM
what the hell is that supposed to mean? I'm a dsm lover and had an 11 sec talon but you don't see me pulling dumb shit like that do you? grow up dude. realise that there is life outside of 240sx and that other cars are decent too.
KEvin


DSM turbos kick ass... well the 2nd gen anyways.. or was it 3rd?.... :goyou:

HaLo
09-19-2004, 09:38 AM
This thread ain't dead yet?

nismo2491
09-20-2004, 03:20 AM
1st gens have traditionally always been the faster ones. they have lighter chasis. 3rd gen didn't come turbo from the factory, or AWD for that matter.
KEvin

sykikchimp
09-20-2004, 07:10 AM
Y0U ALLK S8Ckz seyz JEFK!


my vote for WORST THREAD EVER!

Yeap
09-20-2004, 03:07 PM
http://andromedamusic.no-ip.com:2222/yeapamoto/altezzasuper.jpg

91CRXsiR
09-20-2004, 06:43 PM
OH GOD LOCK THIS SH*T ALREADY...


regrets :bash:

ThatGuy
09-20-2004, 06:46 PM
:lockd: :lockd: :lockd: :lockd: :lockd: :lockd:

mrmephistopheles
09-20-2004, 07:01 PM
retarded thread closed