To Stagger or not?!

[Pudula]

What would it look like if I ran 18x9.5 +25 all around on my kouki? Any pics? Fitment Issues (besides the obvious fender rolling and camber?)

Thanks,
Ryan

[Salty_X]

You'd have fitment issues with front coilovers and would need some spacers.
Stagger isn't too bad if you have tuneable suspension to get rid of the added understeer. Running the same size tires on staggered wheels should help too, I'm planning on trying that with my next set of tires.
Looks would be similar to cars running 9 +15s, just a little more extended up front because of the spacers.

[yudalicious]

what's the point to run staggered wheels but same size tire? its a personaly decision, you can weight the benefits vs. costs...

[Salty_X]

what's the point to run staggered wheels but same size tire? its a personal decision
You just answered your own question. I wasn't trying to say that he had to run the same size tires, just that it was an option to help alleviate understeer on lesser-tuned suspensions.

[Id-]

why on earth would you run a 9.5" wide rim in the front? most supras dont even run rims that big in the front and they run HUUUUGE tires

if you're going to fork out the change for rims get a set of 18x8s or 8.5s in the front and 9.5s (or even 10s) in the rear... you wont ever need anymore rim than that and the responsiveness of a 8" wide front rim isnt too bad

[OptionZero]

actually i"d like to hear more about the staggered issue as well. I am planning to run 17x9 all around, on the notion that equal grip on all 4 corners would lead to more neutral handling. Wider tires in back, we know, means more grip in back...more grip in back, leads to more understeer.

Isn't it better to put equal rubber on all 4 corners, then mess with spring rates/dampening levels, tire pressure and stuff to adjust for more/less understeer/oversteer when you drive?

Plus, you can rotate tires if you have all 4 equal.

[wootwoot]

you can rotate them if they have the same offset as front and rear and are the same size. most people run different different offset from front and back though. with handling it seems easier to make it work with equal width tires all around. not to say it cant be done with wider on the back but its just easier to do with everything being the same. when i get my new wheels im probably going to find out whatever i can squeeze into the front, and then match it in the back. im guessing either 8'' or 8.5''. function is more important in my car than apperance but ultra wide rims are just so sexy...

[nightwalker]

The only reason I can see for running staggered rims, is if you have the power, and need that much tire. If not, I wouldn't mess with it.

Sure it looks dandy and all, but I'm always for function over form.

[timmybgood]

correct me if i'm wrong (and there's a good chance i am) but couldn't you run staggered and compensate for the understeer with sway bars and other suspension tuning to balance it out?

[Salty_X]

correct me if i'm wrong (and there's a good chance i am) but couldn't you run staggered and compensate for the understeer with sway bars and other suspension tuning to balance it out?
Correctamundo. That's what I do.

[mike13]

i run staggered 8.5 front 9.5 rear and my car still oversteers like crazy. I think the aesthetic value outweighs the change in balace for a street car.

[Ranger_Man]

running a staggered set up really depends on how you drive and what you use the car for. some people will have understeer no matter what they do, while others will have different results.

i run staggered because when i had the same size tires all around i would always end up sliding through every corner on track. now i have my car back to neutral with 235s up front and 255s in the rear.

[Pudula]

I don't care about understeer or oversteer - increasing the width or decreasing the width in front by an inch isn't going to make THAT big of a difference. I'm talking about having the 4 inch lip all around and how that looks - I never see it and I'm wondering why. Does it look shitty? Pics would be tight...

Ryan

[SoCalS14]

Personally, I run the staggered set up as well...17X8 +20 in the front and 17X9 +27 in the rear. I have great handling, and I love the look. Its like a 3 inch lip on the rear rims...just sick. Anyhow, I run 225's up front with 245's in the rear...seems to work well for me...I like the added traction, especially now that I am running a SR...

[iMAGE976]

All i gotta say is wow, everyone thats posted has made some really good points in their argument. I cant wait to jus try some different set-ups and learn the true differences in the rim size and various different combos with tires n Camber. :)

[nrcooled]

I ran 16x7 f and 16x8 r and had no additional understeer issues. I had massive oversteer issues with the stockers (not so much with the staggered setup though). The more power you make the more you will want a staggered setup.

I was running a s13 with HICAS so that probally had a lot to do with the neutral handling.

[OptionZero]

Well, I have a stock KA...but i'm gonna go 17x9 w/ 245's all around =P

[meme]

Well, I have a stock KA...but i'm gonna go 17x9 w/ 245's all around =P


OPtionZero; what offset are you using? and do you have coilover?


i have 18x9.5 +22 and the fronts rub the spring perch. need to use 10mm spacer.

[Mikes14240sx]

I don't care about understeer or oversteer - increasing the width or decreasing the width in front by an inch isn't going to make THAT big of a difference. I'm talking about having the 4 inch lip all around and how that looks - I never see it and I'm wondering why. Does it look shitty? Pics would be tight...

Ryan
I say stagger. I think a 4" lip would look funny all around. An 8.5 up front would be adequate, especially on a street setup anyways.

[OptionZero]

no coils, planning to go either + 17 or +24 all around, depending which rims i get (lookin at a coupla choices)

No money for tires, so its pointless for now

[sykikchimp]

stagger or not depends on to many variable to say one is definitively better than the other.