Thoughts on Legal R32 gtrs and gts-t's...$$$

[turboshoebox]

So as we all know 1989 and 1990 gtrs and now 49 state legal thru the 25 year rule and legal in california if you pay more for state emissions testing.

People are paying 25k-30k for these US legal cars. Of course a huge mark up has happened.

Do you feel old R32's are worth paying so much for them? As Iconic as they are they aren't much of a stand out car for that much money. Reminds me of a slightly diff looking s13. I imagine in canada people are now only paying 10k for them now which i think is more reasonable.

I'd rather wait and pay the big bucks for R33 or even 34.

Don't get me wrong i like the R32 but the prices for them in the US is thru the roof. Are people even buying them cause it's their ideal R chasis or just because r33 and r34 isn't legal yet?

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[s13rhdhatch]

R34's will soar through the roof,r33's not so much. 2 years ago r32's were stupid cheap but now that they are legal,importers as well as the Japanese auctions are gonna want more then what the car was worth. Just gotta find the right car at the right time.

[Reece]

Can't wait to buy an R32 for chump change once the R34 is legal

[ILoveJDM]

GTR's in Canada would start at 9k for a high mileage one a few years ago, until everyone realized they could jack the prices up and sell to the states when the 25 yr rule kicked in. I still cant believe some of the prices people pay for basic bitch examples of r32's. Even people paying for 10k+ USD for GTS-t or GTS-4.

[turboshoebox]

Can't wait to buy an R32 for chump change once the R34 is legal

I imagine r32 was drop like crazy once the r33 is legal.

[turboshoebox]

R33 may not be everyones cup of tea but of course it's the closest one on the next more modern looking gen that will be legal in a number of years.

30k and up for something like this even tho it's a inflated price I can see myself alot easier justifying the cost.

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[burnsauto]

I imagine the market will be similar too the Mark IV Supras. Sure, if you look long enough, you'll find one for a reasonable price, but those are few and far between. These cars, regardless of personal preference, will continue to be in the realm of other top tier Japanese sports cars, and the price will always reflect that. The S chassis is an entry level sports car, the R chassis is not.

[turboshoebox]

What I'm saying is i can see the Old R32 dropping in price like crazy once the R33 model is legal along side with 5 years of imported R32s running around the US when it's super old news and a 30 year old car by then.

[turboshoebox]

Even at 100K the R34 Nismo edition looks the price!
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Nismo-R34-Clubman-03-1200x800.jpg

r32's look like a 8k car. I would pay 8 to 10 for one. Any more just wouldn't make sense.

[Malik]

I've always loved the R32 sedans

[rc1honda]

I'm waiting for the 34. I had my fill of old Nissans.

I want another 25 year old Nissan like I want a bullet in my head.

[tricky_ab]

BNR32's under $10K in Canada were (for the most part) junk, or would be junk fairly soon.

Price is always definitive to how much you want it. Unless you've imported a car, you'll realize that you'll have to pay to play, unless you want headaches when it lands. I'm not saying that it wont have smaller issues, or need a refresh (since it's a old car) but don't think for a second that being cheap at the auctions will get you far.

[turboshoebox]

so i imaigine a good one would go for 12k and up in canada which is a far cry from the USA paying 20K and up for stock cars

[BlueKpS13]

First picture is an s13 lol

And just a couple years when the prices drop...

[turboshoebox]

that's to whole idea...to show it really just looks like a s13 but 5x the cost lol

[BlueKpS13]

Ahhh gotcha. My bad

[silviamang]

Waiting for the r32 to drop in price is like waiting for the s chassis to drop in price.
Don't hold your breathe.

[MADE]

For someone who has spent over a decade in Japan I refuse and even cringe on the markup of JDM stuff. In the beginning I think there was a hell of a markup. Now I think the prices are going up due to demand. On FaceBook there was a cat, raving about the GT-E or GX-I he brought for 10 grand. These model are usually less than 1000 in Japan or go to scrap. To me I understand business is about profit but he got fucked! Now is it worth 10k+ for a R32 to me? No. But you're buying history, well some are and some are buying junk. I think within the next 2yrs all the chassis will be damn near exported and the prices will become ever greater. Prior to this instead of exporting chassis, late model sport cars of the era where cut and exported as clips since it was more profitable. For me since I've owned an ER34 Id get a BNR34. Anything else I would not.

Is an R32-34 fast out the box by today's standards? I would say no, but the potential is there. If you want an iconic car cool. If you want a fast car, buy something newer.

[Dolph_KYAS13]

I like where the prices are. I bought my GTS-T for 5K (CAD) a couple years ago with Nismo wheels, coilovers and a few other goodies. Its good knowing that in a few years I could sell it for triple what I paid for it. Thanks America :)

[ditchs14]

Yeah, I'd never pay the prices people pay for r32 gtrs in the states. But I'd get a nice r32 sedan. I been seeing clean ones with around 50k miles on them with rb20det but auto for around 6k usd. I can see paying that since it's a used car with under 100k miles. Even tho I know they go for like $1000-2000 over in Japan. If that lol

I also see people buying cars way ahead of the dates they can be legal. That way they get the regular price they would go for before the "US legal tax" hits it.

[dizzariot]

Reminds me of a slightly diff looking s13.

that's to whole idea...to show it really just looks like a s13 but 5x the cost lol

You don't pay the extra coin for looks. You pay the extra coin for the car as a whole. A USDM s-chassis compared to an R32 is like comparing an elbow to an asshole. Judging by your thought process you have a hard time telling which is which. The motor, availability, and popularity put it in a different bracket. Stick to playing Need For Speed and talking shit in everyone elses' threads. You sure do like to start a lot of stupid threads.

[s13q]

Everyone talking about R32's dropping in price when 34's become legal but sorry that wont happen.

The price you guys see is what the Japanese market influences.

Here in Australia we've had the 32, 33, 34 GTR's since the 20th century. A few years ago $15 000 got you a mint 32 GTR, now you cant even find a decent one for in the low 20's, good ones are creeping into the 30's.

On the upside 34 GTRs which were around 80k a few years back have dropped into the 50's mostly due to the R35 dropping into the sub 100k used car market.

32 GTR's will only go up in price, it has nothing to do with these silly import laws.

The Japs are hiking up the prices and we are feeling them across the seas.

[dizzariot]

Everyone talking about R32's dropping in price when 34's become legal but sorry that wont happen.

The price you guys see is what the Japanese market influences.

Here in Australia we've had the 32, 33, 34 GTR's since the 20th century. A few years ago $15 000 got you a mint 32 GTR, now you cant even find a decent one for in the low 20's, good ones are creeping into the 30's.

On the upside 34 GTRs which were around 80k a few years back have dropped into the 50's mostly due to the R35 dropping into the sub 100k used car market.

32 GTR's will only go up in price, it has nothing to do with these silly import laws.

The Japs are hiking up the prices and we are feeling them across the seas.

Supply and demand in one post. Didn't need to be a whole fucking thread on obvious facts. Thanks for this post. Maybe we can get it locked now.

[TheRealSy90]

You don't pay the extra coin for looks. You pay the extra coin for the car as a whole. A USDM s-chassis compared to an R32 is like comparing an elbow to an asshole. Judging by your thought process you have a hard time telling which is which. The motor, availability, and popularity put it in a different bracket.

GTR's maybe, all the other R32 models, not so much.


I'm honestly glad the R33 is most peoples least favorite, because I love the R33 more than all the others. It was the best looking imo.

[VROOOM]

i dont think i could buy an R32 for $20k, the brakes dont look cool enough.

you can get an Evo for that price and they have Brembos

[turboshoebox]

Everyone talking about R32's dropping in price when 34's become legal but sorry that wont happen.

The price you guys see is what the Japanese market influences.

Here in Australia we've had the 32, 33, 34 GTR's since the 20th century. A few years ago $15 000 got you a mint 32 GTR, now you cant even find a decent one for in the low 20's, good ones are creeping into the 30's.

On the upside 34 GTRs which were around 80k a few years back have dropped into the 50's mostly due to the R35 dropping into the sub 100k used car market.

32 GTR's will only go up in price, it has nothing to do with these silly import laws.

The Japs are hiking up the prices and we are feeling them across the seas.

are these AUD or USD dollars u speaking of cause ur money is about .072 less converion

[hobbs]

Sounds like someone is just jelly that they can't afford to pick one up. It's all about supply and demand, we see this with JDM and USDM cars. This is the same reason why people are selling bone stock 98 koukis for 8k or spending 3k on a stock S13. Take a look at other high performance cars that were available for the USDM market - FD3S, MK4 supras, MK4 R32, E46 M3s, CT9A evos and other cars. As the production model count drops and time goes by the cars just become a whole lot more valuable. Kids who are waiting for BNR32s to drop to 10k....good luck finding a clean example for that price. After working and owning a BNR32, I would not buy one that is not in very good condition.

This is how open markets work, supply stays the same while demand goes though the roof due to the 25 year law, of course the prices will go up. Why would the sellers in japan undersell themselves? With the low production count of the R33 and R34 models I don't see them having an affect on the R32 pricing in the future... Maybe the GTS-T models but not the GTRs.

S13 = BNR32. Get the fuck outta here kid.

[turboshoebox]

Sounds like someone is just jelly that they can't afford to pick one up. It's all about supply and demand, we see this with JDM and USDM cars. This is the same reason why people are selling bone stock 98 koukis for 8k or spending 3k on a stock S13. Take a look at other high performance cars that were available for the USDM market - FD3S, MK4 supras, MK4 R32, E46 M3s, CT9A evos and other cars. As the production model count drops and time goes by the cars just become a whole lot more valuable. Kids who are waiting for BNR32s to drop to 10k....good luck finding a clean example for that price. After working and owning a BNR32, I would not buy one that is not in very good condition.

I'm only jelly or r33 and 34's.

[JAStirrett]

that's to whole idea...to show it really just looks like a s13 but 5x the cost lol

They look similar, yes, but you are paying for one of the best engines ever built. IMO

[JAStirrett]

S13 = BNR32. Get the fuck outta here kid.

:keke: I was thinking the exact same thing.

+1

[simmode1]

Great cars, I'm sure. But I just can't make myself interested enough to buy a RHD for US use. I'm sure I'd get annoyed at the novelty pretty damn quick. There's plenty of competitive LHD cars cars I'd rather own.

[Malik]

me too the RHD isnt going to appeal to my domestic sensibilities.

[Thor88]

I've been dealing with this exact issue recently, I have a near stock S14, & an E46 vert.
I was seriously considering getting rid of both for an R32, but at this point I think I'm just going to focus on my S14 until the R33 is available. While arguably the worst performing of the GTRs, I have always had a soft spot for the lines of the R33.

There are just too many great performing options in the 20-25k price range for me to justify the R32

[BossHogg]

Honestly, until you drive one, you wont understand. First off, RHD is better than LHD. I like it way more. I don't know why, but it feels better to me. Second off, this car feels like a brand new modern day car. When you drive one, just think 1989, and you quickly see why it has the reputation it has. But it doesn't feel like a car designed from the 80's. Or look like one......it looks better than almost all cars I see on the road lol. When I go out to local meets etc, the car fits in. It's not crazy lambo looking, but it definitely still looks better than bmw's and some porsche's and every other import on the lot. It's funny when maserati and porsche owners tell you that you have the best car on the lot. The car doesn't have that 80's interior feel either. It's really just gauges, radio and climate control. It has digital climate control....with one hell of a blower motor lol. Power locks and windows, which is all a sports car needs. It handles like a fucking dream. Feeling attesa work is awesome. Where you would start to pedal a rwd....you just keep it pegged to the floor board and go to where the car is pointed. Clover leafs are fun. Also, doing 6-7k launches is really fun. The car is still quick in todays standards, keep in mind, my engine is stock. I haven't even begun what the rb26dett legend is all about. I drove my brothers FRS, I have driven my brothers new WRX. Would pass on both compared to the GTR. The wrx does have a really nice interior though. Even he likes the hell out of my car. Took him for one ride and he's like, yea, yours is faster lol.

I don't know what average prices are now. But I know I for sure lucked out, my car is super super clean. Like brand new clean. Everyone that see's it swears it was built yesterday. Half of them can't believe its a 25 year old 1990. What you have to realize is importation will automatically raise price also. I paid about 15k for my car, then add in importation. Was like 20 all said and done. I would not change a damn thing. Add in what the price of volk te37, HKS coilovers, HKS chasis bracing, exhaust and nismo arms and I came out ok. Which I am trying to sell the wheels and exhaust, which means money back. I have already sold some stock items off it also.

I kind of got in before the huge craze hit also. I think they have gone up since I bought mine. But one thing is for sure, I will never buy an american import again. There is simply no reason to. Unless its brand new....

The downfall of owning the car. The attention. From all people. Non car people, high school fan boys etc. But you do get attention from actual car enthusiasts that know what it is. It's just a humbling feeling when some 40-50 year old guy comes and talks to you, genuinely interested in the car, tells you have one amazing machine. Say's I bet half these people don't have a clue. Then goes and gets into his GT3 porsche lol. You get good and bad attention. The bad.....by far out weighs the good lol. You have to deal with people following you taking video. Following you taking pictures. Tailing you just to tail a GTR. Riding along side you, cell phones fixed on your car so you cant get the hell over. I almost caused a wreck because some douche bag high school kids weren't paying attention to the road and watching my car....their lane came to a stop....mine didn't. All I heard was brakes screaching lol.

Not to mention the people who want to talk about it, yet have no clue about the cars. But they consider themselves enthusiasts. It's shocking how many people really have no clue what they are talking about, yet they will shoot the shit like they love GTR's. Yes, its the AWD version gtr (lol), yes its the rhd drive version (lol), there is no 4 door GTR...... A gts-t is not a rwd GTR lol. I think people interchange the skyline and GTR names as meaning the same thing. No, the car's were not made in England....big LOL to that one.

[BossHogg]

I've been dealing with this exact issue recently, I have a near stock S14, & an E46 vert.
I was seriously considering getting rid of both for an R32, but at this point I think I'm just going to focus on my S14 until the R33 is available. While arguably the worst performing of the GTRs, I have always had a soft spot for the lines of the R33.

There are just too many great performing options in the 20-25k price range for me to justify the R32

r33 the worst performing? You're right, you don't need a gtr.

[Thor88]

r33 the worst performing? You're right, you don't need a gtr.

Heavier than the R32, slower than the R34, longer wheelbase.
All only based on the research I've done, I haven't driven either so I'm probably just an asshole.

Though, worst performing was definitely the wrong statement, I should have said less desirable.

My point was that I wont be willing to pay what a R34 will cost, and if Im going to pay $20k+ for a 25yr old Nissan I will just wait for the R33.

[TheRealSy90]

They look similar, yes, but you are paying for one of the best engines ever built. IMO

Only in the GTR.

I feel like this thread should have been GTR specific, because none of the other models have anything to cheer for.

[kashira kureijii]

This seems like a thread SKYLINE TM would have trolled by know :keke:

R32's are the coolest, r33's and r34's are gross fanboy stuffs
R32's are what started it all mang, what the hell is up with all the 32 bashing

Still though, if i was gonna get a skyline I feel like I would get an r31, I dig that 80's swag

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[tricky_ab]

And I don't think people understand the up keep costs of skylines in general. Oh and good luck to anyone who thinks they are going to see grade 3 BNR34's for less then $45k when they are legal in the states.


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[Quail]

BNR32s came down to about £5K ($7.7K) over here, but as they became rarer, they started appreciating (like all sought-after sports cars). Now the US wants to import them all, they are skyrocketing. There's still some good investments to be found, but they're already climbing fast.

R34s never came down, so they will be unattainably high when your 25 year rule kicks in for them.

[derek king]

while arguably the worst performing of the gtrs, i have always had a soft spot for the lines of the r33.



true true true.

[simmode1]

While arguably the worst performing of the GTRs, I have always had a soft spot for the lines of the R33.

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Lol... Didn't the R33 cut like 20 seconds off the R32's Nurburgring time or something? I remember reading that somewhere...

[tacobellman_2007]

Now you know to buy them ahead of time for cheap before they are legal. Store it in the garage and clean up any imperfections while it sits, and when the time comes that they are street legal, drive around flicking off everyone in your neighborhood.

[turboshoebox]

Doesnt work that way. Cannot import it early

[KiLLeR2001]

The S13 coupe and R32 non-GTR models I would say are pretty similar in body style. I've personally seen them both side by side. The R32 appears as if it were a more bloated S13 equipped with an inline-6 engine.

Now the R32 GTR is in another league all together.

[Kingtal0n]

Before the 32's were legal, I knew someone who imported a bunch (illegally). What I learned from him was that there are auctions in Japan (like here) where you can buy a hooked up (wheels exhaust suspension etc...) GT-R (or silvia, rx-7, etc) for relatively cheap, especially if it has some kind of body damage. He would buy them slightly hit (needs a hood, windshield, fender for example) for $3800USD and bring them back (along with all the used parts to fix it) and then pull the car apart here (completely, engine out, glass out, etc..) fix it, paint it, and then re-sale for $18,000 for a sizable profit.

He also brought back a few complete cars (no damage) and they ranged from $6800 to $8500, fully running 1991 GT-R Skylines with 133,000km for example. Never paid more than 9k for an R32 GTR, and there were several over the years, some really nice. The cost to bring back four cars at once in a container might have been about $2200 making each complete, running, hooked up GT-R about 10k a piece. Sometimes they would still get paint to achieve that 18k price tag but I think my experience more than anything has taught me that if I really wanted one of these cars for the right price (10k ish) I would personally try to find 3 other individuals who would split the cost of a container with me, and then simply track down and perform all the legal documents for importation myself, bringing back four of those auction GT-R's into the port of miami the right way.

Just as a side note, its not a bad idea to rip them apart once they get here, and replace everything, fix it up, do your wiring/welding/fabrication show quality stuff with everything out, paint it, and put it back together again. I am not sure I would want to drive it the way it came; being from an auction with unknown history, all I am saying is, be prepared to invest some money fixing it up, perhaps even replacing the $6000 engine. Sometimes they would come in great shape; other times, you get a car that looks fantastic, but has a problem driving straight, and needs parts. Buying one used like this for 10k and expecting to drive it right away like a perfect daily is a foolish plan. I would say that if you drop 10k on one of these, you need another 10k just in repair parts/paint to be "safe". It quickly becomes a 20k car whether you realize it or not.

[enkei2k]

I'm waiting for the 34. I had my fill of old Nissans.

I want another 25 year old Nissan like I want a bullet in my head.

by the time the R34 becomes legal here, it will be a 25 year old Nissan.

[mistercrow]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkUTeJDygBM is the reason prices are going up and will stay up. Ive driven a few s chassis, drift, lapping and even our local tuner has the world record for sr20 on a quater mile clocking a 8.48 pass.. (acsp / dumont racing faebook) and the gtr is really really 1 step ahead in every way you can imagine, racewise( not taking anything away from s chassis who really are amazing cars also ). Another reason why prices are going up so much is that the 25 year law applies to way more countrys than just US.. its almost worldwide so the demand is incredibly raising in japan..

[turboshoebox]

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just some grey market cars registered in the armpit of america the south aka Virginia. Living in a such a crummy place for ones dream car...is it really worth it? :picardfp:

[turboshoebox]

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[fatduece]

Hahaha! I see soo many tools drooling at 20k+ r32 gtrs that barely cost 14k.
Anybody who pays more than 15k for a r32 GTR deserves to be ripped off.
Not only that, I think most of you need to lay off the bong :drama:

You guys need to understand, as time goes on you will have
more options to choose from. The J-auctions will be forced to lower
the price on r32s. you'll have other cars to choose
from, such as fd3s, jzx90 and many more.

You guys dont seem to look far ahead. Maybe thats why so
many of you have rattle canned, sh!t stained, cum dumpster buckets.


If you want a good condition r32 gtr, with a reasonable price tag, wait a few more years.

[turboshoebox]

R32 is a great car but i feel people are paying silly prices for what they are getting

[Reece]

Great cars, I'm sure. But I just can't make myself interested enough to buy a RHD for US use. I'm sure I'd get annoyed at the novelty pretty damn quick. There's plenty of competitive LHD cars cars I'd rather own.

That's what you think right now.

I fucking love RHD. It's honestly so much more fun and so much more comfortable than LHD, in my opinion. The only thing that screws me up sometimes is the turn signal, which I usually only have trouble with in my LHD daily driver after driving my other car for a while anyway.

I have been driving my daily less and less and driving my carina more and more, simply because I love RHD. Left handed shifting feels sooooo much better than you think it would, and so much more normal than right handed shifting.

I thought I'd get sick of it too, but I love it. I'm way more used to driving a RHD car now than a LHD car, and I love it so much. I honestly don't think I can say I'd go back to a LHD novelty car, unless it was something REALLY cool.

[turboshoebox]

I feel focusing on the LHD vs RHD is a silly thing to worry about. Drive either one enough it's now weird anymore. The real question at hand it the car itself.

[dizzariot]

I feel focusing on the LHD vs RHD is a silly thing to worry about. Drive either one enough it's now weird anymore. The real question at hand it the car itself.

I feel like this is your lame attempt at getting your post count up. Virginia isn't in the South, by the way. Ever seen a fucking map of the US?

[turboshoebox]

I feel like this is your lame attempt at getting your post count up. Virginia isn't in the South, by the way. Ever seen a fucking map of the US?

http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/hickey-map-south2.png?w=610&h=549

[Matej]

60% of people are idiots, so that chart is about right.


To add some fuel to the fire, buying an imported car seems like a terrible life decision.
I also like when people who own imported cars call others who flock to check out the car fanboys. You seem to fail to realize you are the biggest fanboy of them all because you actually wasted your money on buying your teenage fanboy 90's Nissan, you nerd.

[turboshoebox]

Why do you seem so upset about people buying a imported car? Nor did I see anyone on this thread saying anything about fan boys? Everyone knows what they are getting themselves into importing a car and the attention it's gonna get.

http://sea-globe.com/system/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/RTR30TBK.jpg

[Matej]

Did you hear that that one guy on Jalopnik or whatever goofy-named website has an imported Skyline? Maybe you can buy a Skyline and then you can Skype with each other about how many people looked at your Skyline when you went to Walmart to get floor mats for your Skyline which they for some reason did not carry for your specific application and then you can write an article about it.

[fatduece]

^ Seriously, that guy on jalopnik :bowrofl::bowrofl: such a tool. He definitely bought that skyline just for attention.

[silviamang]

Did you hear that that one guy on Jalopnik or whatever goofy-named website has an imported Skyline? Maybe you can buy a Skyline and then you can Skype with each other about how many people looked at your Skyline when you went to Walmart to get floor mats for your Skyline which they for some reason did not carry for your specific application and then you can write an article about it.

https://i.imgflip.com/t21de.jpg


Not to mention the people who want to talk about it, yet have no clue about the cars. But they consider themselves enthusiasts. It's shocking how many people really have no clue what they are talking about, yet they will shoot the shit like they love GTR's. Yes, its the AWD version gtr (lol), yes its the rhd drive version (lol), there is no 4 door GTR......

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mszdEkh3De4/T5zi45E-vZI/AAAAAAAACU8/BDZDp-pADD4/s1600/R33GTR+4+DOOR+AUTECH+SEDAN2.jpg

[kashira kureijii]

haha he is such a fuckin toolbag its unbelievable.
Takes skyline to drive through, oh there's issues? hilarious right?
Takes it fuckin carmax and has them price it or whatever.
He just wants people to jack him off for having a skyline, just like garage Lamborghini guy

on another note, I too think that importing these cars is a bad thing, mainly because it will increase the amount of people who don't know shit about cars, and buy them and act like they're enthusiasts. Owning a car doesn't make you an enthusiast, working on your own car is what does. These people bring in a jdm silvia already with an sr and everything, slap a pair of wheels on it, and act like its a freakin "built" car done right. Its bullshit. I would argue that the few silvia enthusiasts here in america that do it right are the best in the whole world, because we've created a culture devoted not only to just buying a car, but building and swapping them. Our cars never came with anything good, the culture we have created devoted to making them good is what makes us better than say, a japanese person who buys a silvia, slaps a t28 on it with some work wheels and its already a nice car. Things have always been harder here, and thats what makes american 240 ownership unique. Just bringing in already nice cars is the anti-thesis to the established Zilvia ideology. :rant2::rant2:

[LoneStarSilvia]

^ Seriously, that guy on jalopnik :bowrofl::bowrofl: such a tool. He definitely bought that skyline just for attention.

I cannot stand that shit head. He represents the worst kind of GT-R owner, the kind that expects it to make him God and everyone else should stop what they're doing to admire his vanilla ass car.

What kind of attention whore wants to take a damn Skyline to CarMax just to see what the appraisal would be? Or takes it to a Nissan dealership just to redo a loose undertray bolt and leaves disappointed when the tech's don't give him a handjob with the finest of lotions?

[mastadon]

These cars are huge waste of money. If you have the cash to blow, then thats great. they are cool cars, but the prices are so inflated thanks to the gran turismo generation in the US. Id rather buy a nice low mileage evo9, but to each his own.

[OBEEWON]

No price can be put on the buzz that My Skyline™ gives me.
Better than getting neck on a Sunday afternoon.
Better than a girl that gives birth too soon.
wut

[fatduece]

^Lol.


Lonestar, is that your cosmo?

[boro240]

I cannot stand that shit head. He represents the worst kind of GT-R owner, the kind that expects it to make him God and everyone else should stop what they're doing to admire his vanilla ass car.

What kind of attention whore wants to take a damn Skyline to CarMax just to see what the appraisal would be? Or takes it to a Nissan dealership just to redo a loose undertray bolt and leaves disappointed when the tech's don't give him a handjob with the finest of lotions?

It's the same reason he had the Ferrari and has the Hummer. It's so he can make articles people will click on. He doesn't actually care about the cars. I thought this was obvious.

[LoneStarSilvia]

^Lol.


Lonestar, is that your cosmo?

Aye sir.

It's the same reason he had the Ferrari and has the Hummer. It's so he can make articles people will click on. He doesn't actually care about the cars. I thought this was obvious.

So yea, an attention whore.

[fatduece]

Did you buy it from gtr garage? I saw one for 9k? I believe. That sh!t is go-geous. You're probably saving up for a spare center housing. Lol that 3rotor is soo expansive to rebuild.

[boro240]

Aye sir.



So yea, an attention whore.

I think its more about the money, but I'm just guessing.

[zurud]

Everybody here is attention whore but some take it to the extreme level...
r32 looks like s13 coupe to me. No matter how great it might be it just look like every other pos s13 coupe. Sorry to burst your bubble jdm attention whore fanboy

[Corbic]

Honestly, until you drive one, you wont understand.


I have to disagree with most of this.

It's from 1989, not the mid-80's.

It's interior is not better than a Z32 and the car looks not more modern. As many have said, they look like Silvias. It also looks a lot like a 1990 Cosmo.

http://ra64freddy.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/p1-8.jpg

The car demands value because of the cultural (import community) significance and its scarcity. Cars are 25 years old and have been modified, abused and destroyed over the years.

There is also a minimal of roughly $5,000 in taxes, fees and shipping to get any car from Japan to the US.

$20-30k does not seem unreasonable for a clean car. Look at what people pay for MKIV Supras.

The R34 is still ten years off, so it's laughable to hear people talk about what those will do to the R32 prices. Considering Nissan built fewer R34s then Lamborghini built Gallardos, I suspect what's left in 10 years will be in the $60k+ range. Hell, don't they still sell for $50k in Japan, the land of Shaken?

As for performance value, you are better off with a Evo or STI over a R32. The light weight and inexpensive Rally cars are what killed Godzilla in the first place. You buy a R32 for the attention, nostalgia and emotional reasons.

[tricky_ab]

The R34 is still ten years off, so it's laughable to hear people talk about what those will do to the R32 prices. Considering Nissan built fewer R34s then Lamborghini built Gallardos, I suspect what's left in 10 years will be in the $60k+ range. Hell, don't they still sell for $50k in Japan, the land of Shaken?


I've been keeping my eye on BNR34 prices, and the cheapest grade 3 with less then 100,000 Km's was $40K CND. And that was the sales price in Japan (before taxes and shipping).

It's going no where but UP in pricing... R grades go for $30K right now... I don't know why people would think that these cars will be cheap, you're dreaming.

[Kuma]

I can't buy a truck from my own nephew sight unseen (He lives about 9 hours away)... So I'll definitely never import a car from Japan... I would possibly buy an r33 sedan if it were already in the states and reasonably priced... Everything I buy is worn out though. That's the best way to get a vehicle you plan on modifying IMO. It just seems so wasteful to take a new vehicle and replace new/good parts.

[tlieberman240]

They're cool cars but they're seriously nothing spectacular to drive around on the streets, but then again, neither are 240's..

However, if I were to buy one, it would definitely be an R32 GTR, as they're only in the low-mid 20s for a really good one. Fuckbois are gonna cry to sleep every night when the R34s finally get over here and they see what the price tag is.

[turboshoebox]

I've been keeping my eye on BNR34 prices, and the cheapest grade 3 with less then 100,000 Km's was $40K CND. And that was the sales price in Japan (before taxes and shipping).

It's going no where but UP in pricing... R grades go for $30K right now... I don't know why people would think that these cars will be cheap, you're dreaming.

once landed 50K for a R34 isn't bad. Hell my lexus was 40K already

[Corbic]

once landed 50K for a R34 isn't bad. Hell my lexus was 40K already


$50k for a 15 year old car that would get its stock ass handed to it by a brand new $30k Subaru is actually pretty bad.

Your buying scarcity and vanity, nothing else.

[fatduece]

A 30k subaru isn't gonna anything besides blowing ringlands.

[Corbic]

A 30k subaru isn't gonna anything besides blowing ringlands.


http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/dj280z/280ZX/20121020_163244.jpg

[Cheesy Doriftos]

eh if guys can spend 40k+ on late 60's/early 70's muscle cars that would get it's ass handed to it by modern muscle cars then i don't see the problem with guys doing the same shit with gtr's.

we've gone on from men who had 69 camaros as their dream cars when they were teenagers, then get to the point where they're a successful grown ass man that can afford their teenage dream car to men who had r32 gtr's as their dream cars.

r32 gt-s sedan would be pretty dope tho. i always wanted to get into japanese 4-door drifting.

[Matej]

$50k for a 15 year old car that would get its stock ass handed to it by a brand new $30k Subaru is actually pretty bad.

Your buying scarcity and vanity, nothing else.
There is nothing wrong with people buying scarcity and vanity as long as they realize it.

[tlieberman240]

There is nothing wrong with people buying scarcity and vanity as long as they realize it.

^This.

People are free to do what they please with their own money. But don't buy one of them saying how they outperform all of the Japanese performance vehicles of today, because then you're just fooling yourself.

They're cool cars and they have an appeal about them that people love. Me personally? I just can't justify spending 50k+ for an old Nissan. Everybody is different though.

[zurud]

eh if guys can spend 40k+ on late 60's/early 70's muscle cars that would get it's ass handed to it by modern muscle cars then i don't see the problem with guys doing the same shit with gtr's.

we've gone on from men who had 69 camaros as their dream cars when they were teenagers, then get to the point where they're a successful grown ass man that can afford their teenage dream car to men who had r32 gtr's as their dream cars.

r32 gt-s sedan would be pretty dope tho. i always wanted to get into japanese 4-door drifting.

Are you stupid and bliind. There are millions of 4 dr japanese car in junkyard

[Corbic]

Are you stupid and bliind. There are millions of 4 dr japanese car in junkyard


GS300, GS400, IS300, G35, LS400, Cresseda, J30, Q45, and M45.

As I've said in other treads, the Lincoln LS looks very much like a Chaser and is $1-3k, RWD and IRS. Pull the shit box Jaguar V6 or V8 and drop in a JZ and 5spd. Done.

It's impossible to find pictures of one done nicely however. But the lines are there.

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=46407

[ditchs14]

Holy shit. I've seen the light. Only problem is you gotta make all the arms for the car etc

[MADE]

As I've said in other treads, the Lincoln LS looks very much like a Chaser

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=46407

No it doesn't, not even close.

[ShakotanGazelle]

It's impossible to find pictures of one done nicely however. But the lines are there.


... and you dont think there's a reason behind that?


:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[kashira kureijii]

what the hell is so special about that lincoln, has only slight resembelance to a chaser, just like every other 4-door lexus, infinity,etc.

cressidas can be had for 1-3k, just build a freagin cressida if u want a 4 door, they're in the chaser family of chassis anyways. plus toyota and jz compatible. Why buy some newer domestic car with all sort of stuff that needs to get fabbed and shit to get any motor even close to acceptable in it? Not to mention the possible newer electronic stuffs you would have to deal with.

Car does look nice with that "newer" generation type look, similar to as corbic said, but it isn't really worth just "looks exactly like a jzx100 chaser! build this car and end up having something that isn't actually a chaser!" type simplicity

[Corbic]

No it doesn't, not even close.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/1998_Toyota_Chaser_01.jpg

http://images.autobytel.com/web/carpics/420pixelswide/2002LincolnLS.jpg

Without cool wheels and body kits, it sure does.

[Corbic]

... and you dont think there's a reason behind that?





:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:


People that currently own them either "Donk" it with Pepboys crap or are 70 years old and don't care.

[Cheesy Doriftos]

Are you stupid and bliind. There are millions of 4 dr japanese car in junkyard

none of them which i want.

[Corbic]

what the hell is so special about that lincoln, has only slight resembelance to a chaser, just like every other 4-door lexus, infinity,etc.



There is nothing special. It's just completely under the radar and stupid cheap. It's also on the smaller side. The Lexus GS300 most certainly does not look anything like a Chaser. Quad headlights, round Windows and the bubble rear glass.

Also, unlike a Crown Vic it has good suspension.

cressidas can be had for 1-3k, just build a freagin cressida if u want a 4 door, they're in the chaser family of chassis anyways. plus toyota and jz compatible. Why buy some newer domestic car with all sort of stuff that needs to get fabbed and shit to get any motor even close to acceptable in it? Not to mention the possible newer electronic stuffs you would have to deal with.


Because a Cressida is a 30 year old shit box?

I've seen several LSs in the scrapper and it does not appear to have anysort of crazy Land Rover Bosch Wizardry Electronics.

It's also RWD, your own a 240sx forum, you should realize fabrication is straightforward in that configuration. A

Cressida would still need a full swap and wiring as well.



Car does look nice with that "newer" generation type look, similar to as corbic said, but it isn't really worth just "looks exactly like a jzx100 chaser! build this car and end up having something that isn't actually a chaser!" type simplicity


It's $1k for one with a blown engine/trans. Dump $6-8k into it and you'll have a rad ride in the same vein that a Chaser is a rad ride. Chasers are 10 years off still. Many other cars being talked about would still need engine + trans conversions, wiring, suspension mods, and fabrications.

Imported cars are going to ruin $8-15k ($5k just for shipping and importing + car price).

So financially, it's on point.


Am I advocating or demanding everyone go out there and do it? No.

It's just a suggestion that most in here have never even considered. If I had $10k to blow and wanted a sedan, I would take a serious look at such a project.

[heychris]

Also, unlike a Crown Vic it has good suspension.


The v8 models were very very quick for thier time...A true sleeper....All that car really needs is a manual swap and boost and you'd be set....

Ch


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[drftx]

Burn mine in a fire

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12140737_10153526773135100_3644273919331572532_n.j pg?oh=7e4897a91ddff319d43cce4c697a1aaf&oe=56B7AB77

[turboshoebox]

It's pretty silly cause it was 15 years ago:

R32 GTR with crash testing, and extensive modification to meet US requirements....30k

Today:

R32 with no need for crash testing or any type of modification....30k LOL

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X7yf3mo93pQ/VfW2As0XGtI/AAAAAAAAAn8/_MrJMvlmofk/s1600/A1Ji-XSgOZL.jpg

[tricky_ab]

Oh man, I'm pretty sure I still have that issue kicking around my parents place!


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[TougeSR20Kid]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/1998_Toyota_Chaser_01.jpg

http://images.autobytel.com/web/carpics/420pixelswide/2002LincolnLS.jpg

Without cool wheels and body kits, it sure does.

Except the fact that its a pile of shit aka ford... Sick bro :picardfp:

I do get what you're saying they're cheap and easy to find, but there are way better options for cheap four doors. I do believe someone already mentioned the LS400? I just picked one up for 700 running and driving, spent about 2 g's in tlc, coils, and wheels. After all is said and done its a way better car in every way, also has v8 but made by Toyota sooo longevity? Last one of these I had went over 300k with no issues until it got totaled. I'd love to see how long the motor, trans, suspension, electronics, etc of that Lincoln would hold up past 100k

[ditchs14]

Except the fact that its a pile of shit aka ford... Sick bro :picardfp:

I do get what you're saying they're cheap and easy to find, but there are way better options for cheap four doors. I do believe someone already mentioned the LS400? I just picked one up for 700 running and driving, spent about 2 g's in tlc, coils, and wheels. After all is said and done its a way better car in every way, also has v8 but made by Toyota sooo longevity? Last one of these I had went over 300k with no issues until it got totaled. I'd love to see how long the motor, trans, suspension, electronics, etc of that Lincoln would hold up past 100k


Actually the Lincoln ls is far from ford. Nothing on that car is ford. It's all a rebranded jag. Jag v8, jag suspension, jag chassis.


Ls400 are a good idea. You can make them manual pretty easy. Even if your a cheap ass you can use a KA trans. Only shitty part is the clutch mount up and wiring.

Just throwing some Lincoln LS info out. You can get them in manual already. Only in a v6 model tho

[TougeSR20Kid]

Actually the Lincoln ls is far from ford. Nothing on that car is ford. It's all a rebranded jag. Jag v8, jag suspension, jag chassis.

Huh I didn't know that, never really paid enough attention to them to care. Still not sure if that makes it better tho lol. I work at a european shop and let me tell you Jaguar is basically synonymous with money pit. Don't know too much about the v8 because we mainly deal with the older I-6 motors but yeah they're a bitch to work on, always leaking from somewhere, and the cost of parts is just stupid high.

[STR8E180]

the price of R32 GTR's have also gone up in price here in Australia as well

i bought my first R32 GTR 10 years ago and paid 15k, i recently bought another one 2 months ago and paid 30k prices have gone up because you cunts can now import them

[STR8E180]

one thing i can tell you guys is

once you own a GTR one isn't enough
its an addiction, a sickness

[hobbs]

- Supply and demand

- Inflation

the price of R32 GTR's have also gone up in price here in Australia as well

i bought my first R32 GTR 10 years ago and paid 15k, i recently bought another one 2 months ago and paid 30k prices have gone up because you cunts can now import them

It's pretty silly cause it was 15 years ago:

R32 GTR with crash testing, and extensive modification to meet US requirements....30k

Today:

R32 with no need for crash testing or any type of modification....30k LOL

[shawn1331]

meh i paid $850 for my gtst, had to put a 600 rb20 in it and paint it but im less than 3000 into the whole project. The best bang for your buck is a gtst, at least in canada where they're somewhat cheap. Better performing car than an schassis, parts are cheaper than an gtr and theres no bullshit attessa issues (which will happen as these cars get old). Gtr's are just unreliable in the big picture. You can and people do, daily gtst's here, but not many people unless they have money daily drive a GTR.

With that reason in mind, for something that is such a hassle i dont think a gtr is worth what people ask. I also dont think 10k is reasonable for a gtst, where as they can go for $3500-5000 here which to me is a lot of car for the money.

Say what you want about a gtst but they are really great cars. Ive driven many gtsts and a few gtrs and there is no comparison obviously the gtr takes the cake. But I'm definetaly not disappointed by my gtst for the price point.

[lunchmeat]

I'd rock a r33 gtst. Guess I'm one of the odd ones that likes the r33. I've wanted one since I first saw one back in high school.....in 1997. Do I want a gtr? Hell yes. But dropping north of $20k for one just isn't gonna pass the budget committee(aka the wife). But a gtst for half(hopefully) that would. Maybe even a 4 door. "See it's a sedan, so it can haul the kids too".

[tricky_ab]

Personally is BNR or its not worth it to me. Not to say that you cant make a GTS nice, but I just don't see the reason to go down that rabbit hole.

the price of R32 GTR's have also gone up in price here in Australia as well

i bought my first R32 GTR 10 years ago and paid 15k, i recently bought another one 2 months ago and paid 30k prices have gone up because you cunts can now import them

It's also because there's less "for sale" out there as well. I'm cringing at the current BNR34 prices that I'm seeing on Japanese auctions. It's almost jump in head first, or purchase something else.

[fatduece]

I think the prices on r32s will drop once the other rhd cars become legal for import. The demand just won't be the same when you have a lot more options to choose from.

[shawn1331]

Personally is BNR or its not worth it to me. Not to say that you cant make a GTS nice, but I just don't see the reason to go down that rabbit hole.

Yeah I totally agree in a sense. I mean I never "wanted" a gtst, it just kinda came up. Ideally I was holding out for an FD, S15 or a real type x and the skyline kinda walked in under $1000 in fairly decent shape. I said fuck it and grabbed it, sure it wasn't a GTR but I like it for the money. Considering you pay easily $3000+ for a decent s-chassis up here I don't think I would look back at the price my skyline was. Its way more car than a stock s13 for the same money. With that said it's not the end all be all car, they're fun and they look cool but they're fairly slow and parts are somewhat of a whore to find for certain things. Not to mention they are sorta expensive to own, but not nearly as expensive as a GTR