Why did lsx swaps become so popular?

[turboshoebox]

For years there has been the whole import vs domestic battle which typicaly was japanese inline 4/6 vs american v8s.

While v8s for domestics are okay in their own right what happened to built sr20s or 2jzs etc? Why did mamy give up on the traditional route and take the easy and borring route of the lsx

Sent from my LG-D851 using Tapatalk

[deolio]

because this is 'MERICA!

[shawn1331]

It's a lot cheaper and easier to make power from a v8 downlow where an sr has no bussiness making power.

With that said, I'm still a fan of the underdog SR and RB. I love RB20's haha

[KAT-PWR]

There is no replacement for displacement.

Except boost, which likes to break things, and requires a lot of mods and has more associated maintenance.

[rawgarage]

Because if you break something you can going to any AutoZone or O'reillys and get the part more than likely that day

[zwzweston]

Because if you break something you can going to any AutoZone or O'reillys and get the part more than likely that day

What he said. You might be able to find some 2J parts, but for SRs and RBs you're shit outta luck.

[TheRealSy90]

I just don't see those easily sourced parts being things that would unexpectedly break on track. Maybe a head gasket.

[Matej]

There is no replacement for displacement.
The replacement for displacement is less weight.

[zwzweston]

I just don't see those easily sourced parts being things that would unexpectedly break on track. Maybe a head gasket.
I can't speak for street cars in this respect, but if for example you were trying to run a competitive drift car you'd want to avoid down time as much as possible. All kinds of fiddly little things can go wrong, and it just makes more sense to run out and pick up a spare rather than having to wait for parts.

[TheRealSy90]

Yeah I get that, so I guess water pumps, gaskets, spark plugs. But vital engine components? A pro team is gonna most likely have a built engine, so autozone isn't going to have those parts in stock. And I can't see a privateer or amateur team tearing down and rebuilding a stock engine in the pits. Those easily gotten parts they would carry, are also easily ordered ahead of time for the "Japanese" engines so that you have spares on hand.

[FaLKoN240]

1 Torque.
2 Domestic american market- Parts are more readily available.
3 Dat v8 sound

[Sleepy_Steve]

They have issues like any motor, but it's relatively cheap and easy power, at near stock reliability (which is huge btw) in pretty much any street or drift application.

And when they do break if you're near stock, there's always local parts availability to get you back up and running with the quickness.

[burnsauto]

They've been around for years, ever since I've been into the S-chassis. From what I've noticed over the years is the big push after the LS becoming commonplace in Formula D (love it or hate it, it's a driving force in this scene). From a race standpoint, it'd a great choice.

Availability of parts, reliability, and a larger and more linear powerband make it a very potent combination of chassis design, weight, and power.

At the end of the day, we (just being super broad here to make it easy) just follow suit. I doubt that many people would of bought and swapped SR, etc. without first seeing them in D1GP, FD, Option video, HyperRev, etc. I'm not saying this in a bad way, there's nothing wrong with being influenced by the things around you, it's life.

That being said, I'll keep my engine choice. LS engines and the like, in my opinion, lack personality. I'm the kind of girl who likes the smart nerdy guy with a great personality compared to the one who likes the big muscled guy with nothing interesting to say.

[Grocery Cart]

Yeah I get that, so I guess water pumps, gaskets, spark plugs. But vital engine components? A pro team is gonna most likely have a built engine, so autozone isn't going to have those parts in stock. And I can't see a privateer or amateur team tearing down and rebuilding a stock engine in the pits. Those easily gotten parts they would carry, are also easily ordered ahead of time for the "Japanese" engines so that you have spares on hand.

Oem part is better than no part.

[turboshoebox]

1 Torque.
2 Domestic american market- Parts are more readily available.
3 Dat v8 sound
Some feel the v8 sound is a detracment for jap cars

Sent from my LG-D851 using Tapatalk

[TheRealSy90]

So if you blew a built and tuned LS, and you could only get Oem parts that aren't as good as what broke, you'd fix it with those hoping that it would last. Ok.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[ditchs14]

I dont care for them in drifting but im still a fan of the motor in general. go pull a truck 6.0 out from a junk yard. $700 for a motor. put a cam/heads/exhaust work. make almost 500hp. cant beat it really. they last forever. its just cheap and easy to get.


VsmbbuSq9m0
oyeotHRZ-XI

[Malik]

im surprised the LS weighs less then an SR, thats kinda cool

[MADE]

I dont care for them in drifting but im still a fan of the motor in general. go pull a truck 6.0 out from a junk yard. $700 for a motor. put a cam/heads/exhaust work. make almost 500hp. cant beat it really. they last forever. its just cheap and easy to get.




Was going to post same vids.

[s13driftnut]

There is no replacement for displacement, except for the turbo in my basement! Haha. All seriousness, I owned an SR 240, then built my LSx FD Rx7, now I'm back with an SR 240, I love the SR, but it is super easy to make power with the LS and super easy to get parts! Especially if you want that torque tho! Haha

[kashira kureijii]

im surprised the LS weighs less then an SR, thats kinda cool

Not to sound like a smartass, but thats not really close to true, just gm fanboy propoganda.

Look up the weights, sr is still lighter. For instance, when I built my sr, I could pick up the entire engine myself, I don't think you can do that with an LS

Also just to give an example of why a lot of this is hype, if you look at the build log for a well sorted LS motor, just to get one running, is like $8000. Look at the build log for the motor trend 240ss and youll see what I mean as for cost.
There is a lot of things that need to be modified for a quality setup

Whereas an sr requires no real modifications to get running in our cars.
You could buy a s15 sr for $3000(includes 5 speed so nothing needs modification. Add cams injectors and a tune for like $1500 more dollars, and you have around the same horsepower as an LS1. Im pretty sure you could build an SR20vet for the same price as you can swap in an LS.
So again a lot of this is hype, not that I hate the motor or anything, I just hate the whole swap every brand into "every other brand" hype thats going around.
Brands exist for a reason, if you want american muscle, buy a muscle car

[silviaks2nr]

Torque is so overrated in a light car. Love it for towing though. How v8 sports cars should sound
Sg-5k_O6qlg

[Matej]

Or you can get an old Mercedes M103 engine from any junkyard, put a giant turbo on it, and have 600hp for like 1000$.

hLBVrM0wJvE

[MADE]

For instance, when I built my sr, I could pick up the entire engine myself, I don't think you can do that with an LS




Explain I'm curious.

[kashira kureijii]

Explain I'm curious.

using my arm muscles, cuz i am a fukin hoss.

[zombiewolf513]

using my arm muscles, cuz i am a fukin hoss.

He palmed it like a basketball I saw it

[Rustys14]

Not to sound like a smartass, but thats not really close to true, just gm fanboy propoganda.

Look up the weights, sr is still lighter. For instance, when I built my sr, I could pick up the entire engine myself, I don't think you can do that with an LS

Whereas an sr requires no real modifications to get running in our cars.
You could buy a s15 sr for $3000(includes 5 speed so nothing needs modification. Add cams injectors and a tune for like $1500 more dollars, and you have around the same horsepower as an LS1. Im pretty sure you could build an SR20vet for the same price as you can swap in an LS.
So again a lot of this is hype, not that I hate the motor or anything, I just hate the whole swap every brand into "every other brand" hype thats going around.
Brands exist for a reason, if you want american muscle, buy a muscle car

You forget that the intercooler and all the associated turbo bits add a fair bit of weight to a turbo car as well, so the base weight of the engine isn't really a good basis for comparison.

I used to be a purist like you when I first got into cars, but after working for a few shops and doing events for awhile I've come to realize how ignorant that way of thinking is. Sure you can tune an SR to make the same amount of power as an LS for around the same price as the initial swap or cheaper but it will still be less reliable and has more parts to fail. The LS also responds very well to basic upgrades so while the initial cost may be high (7-8k really isn't all that much in the automotive wold) future upgrades will be cheaper.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate either engine (I actually just dropped another SR into my car last week) but for the grassroots guy who wants a mildly competitive car that is cheap to run, the LS makes the most financial sense. That's why the swap has become so popular in recent years.

The flip side of this is there are now a bunch of hoonbro fanboi kids who don't even track their car that think you need an LS and a billion hp before you can even go out to an event because "bro, that's the motor that everyone in FD runs" which isn't the case at all...

[dub40sx]

because
https://shutupimeating.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/gay_muscle_tom_katt___caesar_gay_06_320_320_0_9223 372036854775000_0_1_0.jpg?w=230&h=300

[MADE]

using my arm muscles, cuz i am a fukin hoss.

Without the aid of a lever/left or any other assistance beside dem arm muscles, I wanna see it. I'll paypal you 1 dollar and 5 Drift Tengoku mags. (JDM Tight)

[feito]

why did starting useless threads become so popular?

[kashira kureijii]

Without the aid of a lever/left or any other assistance beside dem arm muscles, I wanna see it. I'll paypal you 1 dollar and 5 Drift Tengoku mags. (JDM Tight)

fo sho, let me just pull my entire engine out of my car, totally worth a dolla.
But ya next time I break something and have to pull it I'll take a pic and show you,
But I think its dangerous,
Because the internet would literally explode at the sight of my utter manliness

[turboshoebox]

why did starting useless threads become so popular?
Subtle i have a lsx post

Sent from my LG-D851 using Tapatalk

[fatduece]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/d7/d729fd9d6146ea2158f7c73345c7825529efb37355355e40a7 c9d3c035a54a57.jpg


This is not a useless thread. The op asked why the hick swap gained some much popularity, and we (as in zilvia :l101:) must help this lad.

The swap gained a lot of attention from all the hoonigays, that think drifting is about having more power than your opponent. You know, that way you could out run him, gain lead points and win the competition without actually showing any skill. Point simply, these damn hicks are the cancer of not only drifting, but the whole import. They whine and vape all day about how its more affordable, how its more reliable, but at the end of the day....there no different then the hicks who screw their sisters, because you know...the sister is right there. Why spend time going out side to meet a nice girl? SHE JUST MIGHT BE UNRELIABLE, EXPANSIVE AND TOUGH TO FIND CLOTHS FOR.

[turboshoebox]

I dunno if it's just me but the whole concept of lsx swaps is pretty boring to me too. No wow factor to me. Drop it the v8 and a few bolt on and ur good to go.

Then there's for example a SR22VET set up. Stroked motor w/ forged pistons, VET head swap etc. w/ twin scroll turbo.

Big money system sure but amazing performance and a lot of wow factor .

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4941531574_2e50a0f8de.jpg

[Ilya]

Because in California it is as close to of a legal swap as possible.

[Kuma]

I dunno if it's just me but the whole concept of lsx swaps is pretty boring to me too. No wow factor to me. Drop it the v8 and a few bolt on and ur good to go.

Then there's for example a SR22VET set up. Stroked motor w/ forged pistons, VET head swap etc. w/ twin scroll turbo.

Big money system sure but amazing performance and a lot of wow factor .

[IMG]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4941531574_2e50a0f8de.jpgMG]

What if you had a stroked, forged, boosted lsx? Would you not find that interesting?

[turboshoebox]

What if you had a stroked, forged, boosted lsx? Would you not find that interesting?
Would be cool but not very exotic

Sent from my LG-D851 using Tapatalk

[1988montecarloss]

why did starting useless threads become so popular?

Thisssssssssssss

[RB25GUY]

Would be cool but not very exotic

Sent from my LG-D851 using Tapatalk

So a stroked 3.4L JZ is exotic ( i am assuming) but a stroked twin turbo boosted LS motor is not :confused::confused: im not with the LSX hype but you really cant deny how badass a twin turbo V8 setup is so again (im assuming) 1300hp isn't exotic anymore because its a LSX :picardfp:

[fatduece]

^Obviously not.To achieve that kind of power on a v8 is a lot easier and cheaper than a 4/6 cylinder. Not only that, $800 junk yard swaps are not exactly "exotic"

[scottie]

Why so popular? Well according to a local C5 Z06 owner who knows everything about the LSx motor, you can pull a 5.3 LS truck motor for $500, twin turbo it and make over 1000HP without touching anything. I mean who can say "no" to that bro?

He also went on to say the reason GM upgraded the LS7 with extended cylinder bore, dry sump oil system and titanium head components was simply because they needed new features to sell the car.

Sadly he isn't joking.......

[JM216S14]

Its popular because the ka was a "truck motor", and most hillbilly's put 4.8 5.3 and 6.0 iron blocks in which is also a motor found in a truck. We all know hillbilly's love trucks but they also like two fordy sx's. So it only makes sense to put a Merican truck motor in one instead of that pussy little 4 cylinder truck motor.

[RB25GUY]

^Obviously not.To achieve that kind of power on a v8 is a lot easier and cheaper than a 4/6 cylinder. Not only that, $800 junk yard swaps are not exactly "exotic"

If you are building a truck or junk yard motor, i understand but a stroked LS isnt really cheap. Ultima GTRs run lS motors nowadays are they not exotic? im in no way trying to bash anyone who hates the LSx because i hate them too but pound for pound the low end tq especially from a built all motor LS is unrivaled Orido for example had the built ISF V8 only caused him grief switched to the LS i remember watching that vid of the shakedown happier then a pig in shit and it Wasn't even dialed in...

[2muchboost]

Done the Ka-T, SR, and 2J thing. Loved each for different reasons. Main differences on my LS1 for me are:

-Simplicity of the LSx. It's like a dream to work on this setup cause it's so simple and robust. My unlces Tahoe with an LM7 hit 315k miles and the Trans blew up. Motor was pulled and put into a buddies turbo mustang setup and 5k miles later (untouched) and 550rwhp without a hiccup.
-Linear powerband
-Great stock power and 600rwhp is a sneeze on bone stock motors with ebay turbos for rather cheap.
-availability of parts. Run to any junkyard or auto parts store and find what you need. Blow up a block and pick one up for cheap...likely locally.

Not into drifting myself. This is a fun weekend car that will likely be FI in the future. For now I am ok with 300hp and 300 ft. Lbs. Dumped tons of cash into built SR and a stout 2J setup. At 31 years old I could care less about the exotic appeal. Been in the game since 2002....not too much I find exotic at this point. If you are into exotic that train left a long while ago. Not much which hasn't been done to the 240sx chassis though I can respect a well executed car regardless of the engine.

[Malik]

all this is great for the LS, but your lucky if your hood closes.

[onehundredoctane]

Because torque. Most 4 or 6 cylinder engines will never make the kinds of torque the V8s do.

And also because the exhaust sounds are sexy.
Yq1nwRIcOao

In case you still weren't sold :)
5Z7g54lvLQ8

[kashira kureijii]

-Great stock power and 600rwhp is a sneeze on bone stock motors with ebay turbos for rather cheap.
.

Isn't that kinda like the anti-thesis of what Zilvia is all about though?
Anytime someone mentions ebay parts here it usually seems to get them rek'd
This whole ebay turbo, go to the junkyard/autozone, commit incest, and disregard the nissan love is straying greatly into hoonigan territory

[2_Liter_Turbo]

IMO, the LS is a very good platform, hard to beat for the money, etc etc etc. It's a fantastic swap for all kinds of purposes.

But for me personally, I just like the SR. I've had my SR for over 10 years, have put over 200k miles on it, beat the crap out of it, took it apart (had no issues when taken apart), built it, and am beating the crap out of it again. It's a very resilient motor as long as you aren't an idiot and bounce it off the rev limiter and do the proper maintenance and modifications for abuse. I've never had an issue with finding parts in a pinch (except a starter once, but now I keep a spare), and I have a pretty decent power band. I even beat an LS swapped FD for best TQ curve in a street competition a couple years back, ha ha. Doesn't really amount to anything, but it was funny.

All engine swaps have their pros and cons, with the LS being up top for best list of Pros for sure, but it's a little boring to me, and I'll keep my SR forever. It may not be "the best", but I like it.

[S14kouki805]

I say whatever floats your boat, SR, JZ, LSX whatever, it's your money your build.

I will say however, that the SR was made for our chassis and should provide the best BALANCE. Personally if I wanted a V8 it would not be an LS but a new Coyote 5.0 in a newer Mustang (like it was meant to be), but I'm just not a big GM fan anyway.

Again your money your build, do whatever the hell you want.

[2muchboost]

@ S14 I agree....different strokes. Will say the LS1 for me isn't as exciting as the 700+rwhp 2J setup but then again in have less than half of the cost on that build into this new purchase. And that could be fixed very easily with some FI.

@Kashira....no Zilvia and the 240s scene has changed tremendously. Again to each their own it's their car. I think there is more to Hoonigan than being able to blow up a block and pick one up from a junkyard. Where are you getting your SRs, 2J, and RBs from...Japanese junkyards. Hoonigan represents something totally different as does the huge body kits, sparkle paint, 18x11 and 18x13 wheel culture. Not knocking it just not my thing. Check out Tarmac Motorsports and builds like SmellsLikeCurry. My buddies back in NY have LS power yet still very SChassis quality builds. The point is that a well executed style can be respected by anyone regardless of preference. I love watching quality builds. Trust me my new purchase is not Hoonigan with diff colored body panels and such.

As far as ebay parts...to each their own. I have seen LS setups with $350 ebay turbos churning major power. Personally I loved my BW S475 and would use it again. Look at all of the "knock off" parts in our scene today. Some people like named brand some people like cheap....

[shawn1331]

I said it before I'll say it again. It's way more fun to watch a guy rev the piss out of a motor at 8k rpm and maintain speed through corners than watch someone power out. And same way when you're driving yourself.

V8 allows you to be sloppy and you have the torque and hp to make up for it at low rpms. If you miss a shift or bog down who cares, you'll come out better than the guy with the SR.

One of my favourite guys to watch locally is Pat Cyr. He's an FD driver but he has this missile car which I think is an AE86 with a stock or next to stock F20 swap and he beats the living hell out of the clutch with like 200hp. So much more fun to watch then a guy with 800ft/lbs.

[ZenkiKid]

Because its easy.....

Easy HP
Easy Torque
Easy part availability.

[NISR20MO]

To the kid who 'picked up' his SR. BS clown, maybe a bare block but you didn't pick up an assembled engine oil pan to head. If you were that beast, you would be like the bikini dudes hugging out their LS love on page 1 and you wouldn't be posting on this forum like all of us other dorks.

^Obviously not.To achieve that kind of power on a v8 is a lot easier and cheaper than a 4/6 cylinder. Not only that, $800 junk yard swaps are not exactly "exotic"

Where do you think an SR or RB or JZ or any JDM swap comes from? Do you think that an engine sold for 2k here didn't come out of a junkyard car in japan for a few hundred and ship for a few hundred more? (Just seent this was mentioned but yeah..)

Why is everyone so butthurt about this swap? At least an LS can keep it's rocker arms in place :keke:. My V8 doesn't have much done internally and it is safe to 8k RPM no problem so the rev comments are worthless, this isn't Honda-tech anyways. I haven't read everything mentioned so far but it has not been mentioned that with an LS you will pretty much automatically be stepping up the strength of the trans as well. And you can build it stronger if you need to. Something that doesn't automatically occur when you build an SR or KA up, and the trans options for the other common swaps are not leaps and bounds better without a somewhat hefty investment.

The aluminum LS engines are not heavy by any means and they sit pretty well in the bay. My DMAX and my stock hood close with no issue. The longtube headers for my V8 swap weighed 45 pounds, my turbo setup not including the intercooler weighs in the neighborhood of 55 pounds tops. I relocated the battery and fuse box to the inside of the car because my turbo takes up that real estate now. Not a huge deal, the intercooler is the only real weight gain, but then again the battery is not there either.

The nice thing about an LS is how modular everything is. The heads come off in 20 minutes or less each without any valvetrain or timing non-sense to mess with. You can build a setup w/ a low budget 5.3. And if you want more power you can turn around and sell it and add a few hundred bucks and get a 6.0. Get tired of that too? Sell it and invest some more money again and buy a built whatever LS based engine to put in there and each time you upgrade it is a few hundred bucks here and there. However, it is not necessarily cheap to boost an LS to 800hp, a quality fuel system is serious money. I've got decent money tied up in mine for sure.

There's quite a few positives to the swap, the choice you make depends on what you are doing. If I wanted 300hp though, I would have a S15 turbo'd S13 SR w/ externally gated stock mani like I used to have.

[kashira kureijii]

To the kid who 'picked up' his SR. BS clown, maybe a bare block but you didn't pick up an assembled engine oil pan to head. If you were that beast, you would be like the bikini dudes hugging out their LS love on page 1 and you wouldn't be posting on this forum like all of us other dorks.

I balanced it on my throbbing sr20 fanboi erection,

Seriously though, minus intake and turbo, I didn't have an engine stand, so I made a table out of 2 oil drums and a flat board. Picked up the assembled engine, several times, even my father could pick it up.
Granted I didn't like toss it around or anything, but we did pick up the whole thing a bunch of times.
Have you ever picked up a freaking sr block and head? They aren't nearly as heavy as you guys are making it sound, you guys must just be little or something
If you look at the beginning of the DIW thread, theres a pic of the pink ranger guy? picking up the block and head, and you guys are all like hurting your back DIW! etc. Classic Zilvia

[2muchboost]

Even comparing my 2J fuel system to the one I had for the turbo 5.3 was cheaper. My 120 lbs/hr LS injector were $400 shipped (generic) vs. The FIC for 2J 1650cc I had for $1250 (granted I am an FIC fan). Things like my 2J GSC S2 cams were $900 vs a custom LS one for $400. My PT 6766 turbo was was $1200 for the 2J vs $650 for the BW for the 5.3. My 5.3 was Gen 3 with Gen 4 internals so 800 wasn't a concern.

Again, I loved my SR but loved my 2J more. With some not too expensive mods the LS heads can be revved above 7300 rpm. The 4.8 configuration loves boost without much work.

[Kuma]

I balanced it on my throbbing sr20 fanboi erection,

Seriously though, minus intake and turbo, I didn't have an engine stand, so I made a table out of 2 oil drums and a flat board. Picked up the assembled engine, several times, even my father could pick it up.


You kind of made it sound like you picked it up out of the bay, or at least off the ground... If it's conveniently placed on a table, just about any 180lbs+ person should be able to lift an SR with no intake or exhaust manifold at least a few inches. Before some bitch ass kid texting and driving ran into me, I could pick an LS1 (aluminum block) up if it were on a table.

[kashira kureijii]

You kind of made it sound like you picked it up out of the bay, or at least off the ground... If it's conveniently placed on a table, just about any 180lbs+ person should be able to lift an SR with no intake or exhaust manifold at least a few inches. Before some bitch ass kid texting and driving ran into me, I could pick an LS1 (aluminum block) up if it were on a table.

sorry, maybe I should have specified, it was more of like, We need to readjust the stand!, then we would sorta slide it into my arms and I would carry it while we like cleared the table and shit

I stand by my statements of being a badass though

[Skilz10179]

The answer is simple, drive a 400-500hp sr s-chassis car and then drive a 400-500hp lsx s-chassis. The choice will be clear...

[Kuma]

The answer is simple, drive a 400-500hp sr s-chassis car and then drive a 400-500hp lsx s-chassis. The choice will be clear...

some people like boost too much. I personally like the feel of v8 power band, but my roommate prefers boost.

[R3b]

For me the main thing about any big swap outside of building my ka-t for 400-500whp is $$$ I could put maybe 3.5k in rebuilding my setup I have right now and it would be at 400whp easily but I feel for me to get close to 400whp on a ls1 the swap will cost 8-10k. Motor and trans bone stock is going to be 3k, any type of general replacement parts like gasket, seals, injectors, paint, coilpacks, clutch etc will be another 1k, then I still need mounts, driveshaft,wiring, oilpan and other conversion parts which is another 4k. Thats 8k for a swap and if you want to build the motor at all as far as ecu, cams, head work etc thats another 1-2k.

Im fine with my little four banger ka-t rebuild. Im not drifting the pissout of it. For 8-10k swap like a proper 2jz, rb25, or any v8, I might as well go use that as a downpayment for a clean GTR r32, sell my 240 for a good bit of drifttax because its immaculate and already a nice ka-t setup, buy a beater car and have myself the almighty godzilla.

[simmode1]

While I would much prefer to own/drive a natural LSx car (Vette) than swapping one, I can't argue with it's efficiency & design. That intake manifold is a work of art to me. Why doesn't every V-configuration engine use that style?

[namawon]

In b4 closed
But seriously im about to make one bulleted post about the pros and cons
Then literally never talk about this again.
I'm super suprised this thread exsists
Can there be one v8 "faq" thread. That would be awesome..

[kashira kureijii]

In b4 closed
But seriously im about to make one bulleted post about the pros and cons
Then literally never talk about this again.
I'm super suprised this thread exsists
Can there be one v8 "faq" thread. That would be awesome..

I think theres like a v8 nissan forum or some shit, that has all that info already

[KA24DESOneThree]

For drifting: SR, all day long. I have no experience with SRs, I've never driven a car with an SR, but it makes the sound I associate with drifting. I stopped going to FD/D1 events before everyone went straight-six and V8, and practically all the righteous Japanese drift cars were SR.

For grip: V8, all day long. Everyone claims this or that, but let's face it- 400whp out of a 100k mile L33 with LS3 cam, LS6 valve springs and LS1/LS6 intake will set you back less than $2500 if you're savvy. Combine that with a lower polar moment than a car with an intercooler hanging out front and a lower cG than a DOHC engine with a top-mount turbo and it makes sense. That you can buy a NASCAR-spec, bulletproof four-speed that weighs less than the factory five-speed and has nearly infinite gear ratios is icing on the cake.

Screw the LS1, it's old tech and it's been proven time and time again that the aluminum 5.3L engines are capable of great numbers while being only a fraction of the price.

[2muchboost]

To clarify, what differences are you referring to technology wise between the aluminum 5.3 and LS1? Well besides the price obviously.

[Praxis]

I think.its 3 things.

1)good, strong engine, makes great power in near etock conditions. The 2jz is legendary, I have a picture somewhere of a ls rod next to a 2jz rod, and it makes the 2jz look puny.

2)availability. These things are everywhere. There were literally millions made. On any given day, you can find a dozen or a hundred, locally haha.

3) price of engine and parts. Ive picked them up for as low as $200. Typically you can get them for under a grand.

Bigger displacement/more cylinders means; less turbo lag, more power from pump gas, more reliable at a given power level. Stock GM heads gaskets are mls, and $30. Lots of O-Rings for seals, often re usable. Stock Heads flow awseome. Will support tons of power.

[turboshoebox]

Why hasn't a 2jz being dropped into everything and all the time become a thing like the lsx?

Great candidate for a great sounding motor (much more then that v8 rumble), makes big power while reliable, doesn't take alot of mods to make more power, responsive. Cost effective.

[KAT-PWR]

Why hasn't a 2jz being dropped into everything and all the time become a thing like the lsx?

Great candidate for a great sounding motor (much more then that v8 rumble), makes big power while reliable, doesn't take alot of mods to make more power, responsive. Cost effective.

.....
It has.
Everytime a new cool chassis comes out its a rush to see who is the first 2j and who is the first LS

[turboshoebox]

.....
It has.

no where to the extent of lsxs

[Kuma]

no where to the extent of lsxs

2jz ( in its turbo form) also came in a fraction of the vehicles the lsx platform is used in.

once again, availability.

[Matej]

JZ worshippers are just as annoying as LS goobers.

They are both engines, guyz. It is okay to like one without hating the other.

Geez.

Guyz.

[Praxis]

Why hasn't a 2jz being dropped into everything and all the time become a thing like the lsx?

Great candidate for a great sounding motor (much more then that v8 rumble), makes big power while reliable, doesn't take alot of mods to make more power, responsive. Cost effective.

Availability, and cost. When I bent the 2jz rods on mine, finding another motor was hard, and the prices were nuts.

[TheRealSy90]

Equal length, 8-1 collector headers on an LS is the ONLY way I'd ever do the swap. It completely changes the boring ls sound and makes it sound godly. Ross Petty's s15 had a custom equal length manifold setup and it was amazing.


Look that shit up. Sounds like a completely different engine. If more people made equal length ls headers we'd all be happier, I hate how the ls sounds 99% of the time.


Basically the same as how boring stock manifold sr20's sound.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Why hasn't a 2jz being dropped into everything and all the time become a thing like the lsx?

2JZ dressed- 594lbs
LS1 dressed- 481lbs (with the max being somewhere around 550 depending on who you get your numbers from and what they consider dressed, as some include the weight of the pallet)

44lbs in my car is 2% of the total weight. 2% is massive. If the difference is actually 113lbs, that's just over 5% of my car's total weight. I would kill for a 5% weight reduction.

Also, the 2JZ is a long DOHC that raises cG and polar moment. If we're talking about drifting, things change and I don't have enough experience to speak in an educated manner.

2muchboost- probably shouldn't have said "old tech." Should've said something like "passe," "played out" or simply "not worth it." It is not the "new" hotness.

Stagnant wages and high unemployment mean a lot of people will go for the "cheap power" route.

[simmode1]

Always been an import guy here, but I'm starting to learn more about domestic v8's little by little. Came across this today: http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1306-4-8l-vs-5-3l-engine-tech-little-ls-slugfest/the 4.8L produced peak numbers of 476 hp at a lofty 7,000 rpm and 392 lb-ft of torque at 5,900 rpm. Torque production exceeded 350 lb-ft from 4,500 rpm to 7,000 rpm. Despite what would be a mild performance cam for an LS2 or LS3, these mods transformed the little 4.8L into a high-rpm screamer. Never even heard of an LR4 or LY2 engine before... WTF am I doing wasting time with 4 bangers & turbos when a pissant junkyard 4.8L V8 can do this with what seem like run of the mill mods? Fucks the VH45 right in the ass...

[Kuma]

Equal length, 8-1 collector headers on an LS is the ONLY way I'd ever do the swap. It completely changes the boring ls sound and makes it sound godly. Ross Petty's s15 had a custom equal length manifold setup and it was amazing.


Look that shit up. Sounds like a completely different engine. If more people made equal length ls headers we'd all be happier, I hate how the ls sounds 99% of the time.


Basically the same as how boring stock manifold sr20's sound.

LS engines still sound better than Ford 4.6... Now those sound like shit... add exhaust and they are just as obnoxious as na hondas with fart cans.

[danshaz]

Equal length, 8-1 collector headers on an LS is the ONLY way I'd ever do the swap. It completely changes the boring ls sound and makes it sound godly. Ross Petty's s15 had a custom equal length manifold setup and it was amazing.

this was it, right?
http://i.imgur.com/8JBA7il.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/J2wFeiT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a5bqug4.jpg

[fatduece]

^


http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mab0owHgfs1rdu521o2_1280.jpg



Sound clips PLEASE.

[Malik]

overkill.. but interesting

[future]

Sound clips?

[danshaz]

Sound clips PLEASE.

im pretty sure it has that setup in this
watch?v=5sQRA5DtTTA

[ixfxi]

nCXfXX8z8wQ

enjoy

[Malik]

sounds good..

[Kingbaby]

because this is 'MERICA!

answer

/thread

[bataangpinoy]

I got into motorsport right before the V8 swap bubble burst.

My first drift event (5/09) was in an e30 with an m20b27i (poor man's stroker). There were 6 guys at the drift event. Two SR20 s13's (Mike Tung & Drew Ruggles), an RB20 s13 (Wes Becker), a ka-t s13 (One of the islandslide guys), and one LS powered coupe (Tanner Munson).

For a while it was V8 everywhere. Only now I've started noticing more variety again.

6 years later, I'm finally getting around to doing an LS car of my own.

Also, the S-Chassis are starting to get a bit nicer overall. I used to see ratty s-chassis all the time. Not so much now, since more people are starting with Mustangs and E36's. It was only a matter of time until people caught onto those cars, so widely available and so cheap to buy/upgrade. They just buy the cheapest one they see and go play.

[Corbic]

For years there has been the whole import vs domestic battle which typicaly was japanese inline 4/6 vs american v8s.

While v8s for domestics are okay in their own right what happened to built sr20s or 2jzs etc? Why did mamy give up on the traditional route and take the easy and borring route of the lsx



The V8 won bro.

They fucking won.

At the end of the day what makes cars fun is how they drive, not that they are unique and wonderful snow flakes.

If you 600whp and gobs of torque for cheap, you want autostore parts availability and rock solid power trains... Get on the Chevy Band wagon.

Their is nothing he imports due that's mechanically better, it's all cosmetics and emotion.

[Corbic]

There is no replacement for displacement.

Except boost, which likes to break things, and requires a lot of mods and has more associated maintenance.


But the catch is you can boost displacement.

So $1,500 SR + turbo upgrades

Vs

$1,500 LS + turbo upgrades


Guess who wins....

[TheRealSy90]

this was it, right?http://i.imgur.com/a5bqug4.jpg


Yeah man, I haven't been able to find those pics in a long time.

im pretty sure it has that setup in this
watch?v=5sQRA5DtTTA


Yeah that's what I was talking about. Sounds a thousand times better than any other LS swap I've ever heard. More people need to do equal length long tube 8-1 exhaust setups I swear.


Just listen to that response and smoothness, it's so dang crispy.

overkill.. but interesting

It's so worth it imo. I hate shitty sounding ls engines.


Here's another for good measure, I know not S-Chassis, but god damn it sounds great. 8-1 is where it's at.


watch?v=tKjR9NRl4TA

[Corbic]

LS engines still sound better than Ford 4.6... Now those sound like shit... add exhaust and they are just as obnoxious as na hondas with fart cans.


http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Mobile%20Uploads/2E6B311B-96C8-4405-B35F-7A63A122977E.png_zpsyw7cjfy1.jpeg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2E6B311B-96C8-4405-B35F-7A63A122977E.png_zpsyw7cjfy1.jpeg.html)


The 2v is one of the best sounding V8s ever made. Their short coming is they are stupid slow and have weak rods.


I seriously hope you openly hate the SR sound as it is the king of engine drone.

[bataangpinoy]

But the catch is you can boost displacement.

So $1,500 SR + turbo upgrades

Vs

$1,500 LS + turbo upgrades


Guess who wins....

In what world are you getting a real LS (not an iron block (LQ9) or aluminum (L33) variant) for under 2k?

[TheRealSy90]

Oh yeah stock manifold sr's are equally as bad. The funny thing is Nissan purposely designed the sr20 to sound the way it does.

[Corbic]

In what world are you getting a real LS (not an iron block (LQ9) or aluminum (L33) variant) for under 2k?


The one that a 5.7 LS is not that desirable.

For my hick towns CL, there is a block for $600, a engine and 4l60 for $2k, an engine and T-56 for $3,600 and a rebuilt carb engine for $2800.

Building a 600whp LS will likely cost the same as a 600whp SR. At the SR will need to be built, LS won't.

L92s are like $3k. 6.2l, aluminum and 400hp.

[Matej]

Never understood people who care about engine sound. I want my exhaust as quiet as possible. The only noise I do not mind is turbo spool or supercharger whine.

[Corbic]

Never understood people who care about engine sound. I want my exhaust as quiet as possible. The only noise I do not mind is turbo spool or supercharger whine.


So you do care about engine sound...

[Matej]

So you do care about engine sound...
Eliminating engine sound, yes.
While the turbo or supercharger may be considered a part of the engine, they will sound the same no matter what engine they are mounted to.
How would anyone else know you have a boosted car if they could not hear it over the exhaust noise?

[civilized_drifter]

Corbic tell us more about the ford 2 valve and the superiorty over the chevy lsx

[TheRealSy90]

Pretty sure a t25 on 12psi doesn't sound the same as a gt35 or larger on say, 20psi. Larger is definitely louder. Plus wastegate sizes come into play etc.


Idk any "car guy" that doesn't care about how their engine sounds lol, you're a unique one.

[Corbic]

Corbic tell us more about the ford 2 valve and the superiorty over the chevy lsx


Wtf are you talking about?

[Matej]

Pretty sure a t25 on 12psi doesn't sound the same as a gt35 or larger on say, 20psi. Larger is definitely louder. Plus wastegate sizes come into play etc.


Idk any "car guy" that doesn't care about how their engine sounds lol, you're a unique one.
Obviously different turbos at different boost levels will sound different. Both are still turbo sounds.

I am just waiting for practical and affordable electric motor swaps.

[silviaks2nr]

Obviously different turbos at different boost levels will sound different. Both are still turbo sounds.

I am just waiting for practical and affordable electric motor swaps.


Engine sound is the most important part of a car IMO I feel very sad for you buddy.

ewQaikxTUJs?t=4m12s

LMNc7LBlWyw?t=1m15s

[Matej]

Engine sound is the most important part of a car IMO I feel very sad for you buddy.
At the expense of everyone else hating you and the police tailing you. Especially in today's world where cars are shifting more and more in the direction of quiet and efficient, and people look at you as the enemy of the environment.
Attitudes toward cars have changed completely in the past couple of decades. People used to see a loud flashy car and think, "how cool," now it is, "what a tool." And I agree with them.

Plus quiet car equals more street drifting time before your neighbor calls the police on you for destroying the cul-de-sac.

[silviaks2nr]

I subscribe to the school of thought that if your car is a little loud but super clean and well put together then cops won't hassle you. Has worked for me for the longest time

[VROOOM]

I usually just paint my exhaust black. my Evo X had no cat, was loud as hell and the exhaust was painted black. never got hassled by the cops. i also took the wing off which probably helped too

[ixfxi]

Never understood people who care about engine sound. I want my exhaust as quiet as possible. The only noise I do not mind is turbo spool or supercharger whine.

thats because matej listens to israeli techno music, he need not listen to the sounds of an engine... :P

"the best in europe, bro" hehe

all i can say is, there are some cars you want quiet... like a camry or an accord. and then there are cars. real cars. and real cars sound real nice.

ive actually followed some top dollar exotics through the canyons, and i was just enamored by the sound of the engine and all the mechanical sounds.

i used to have really nice audio systems in my car. that all came to an end after doing turbo. never cared to have an audio system ever again.

[bataangpinoy]

The one that a 5.7 LS is not that desirable.

For my hick towns CL, there is a block for $600, a engine and 4l60 for $2k, an engine and T-56 for $3,600 and a rebuilt carb engine for $2800.

Building a 600whp LS will likely cost the same as a 600whp SR. At the SR will need to be built, LS won't.

L92s are like $3k. 6.2l, aluminum and 400hp.

??? where I am, anything LS is heinously overpriced

[Corbic]

At the expense of everyone else hating you and the police tailing you. Especially in today's world where cars are shifting more and more in the direction of quiet and efficient, and people look at you as the enemy of the environment.
Attitudes toward cars have changed completely in the past couple of decades. People used to see a loud flashy car and think, "how cool," now it is, "what a tool." And I agree with them.

Plus quiet car equals more street drifting time before your neighbor calls the police on you for destroying the cul-de-sac.


Join us in the Midwest.

I got stopped by a cop so he could ask me what exhaust I was running on my mustang back in the day.

Cops are car guys too and typically big time bros. Ever wonder how those coal rollers exist? Cops just fuck with whinny douche kids.

[Corbic]

??? where I am, anything LS is heinously overpriced


Stop living in Caves?

$600 for a fucking block is expensive. God damn Teksid is like $200.

They are 20 year old engines at this point. I can build a 800hp capable 4.6 for $3k (plus the cost of the 800hp turbo system). That would be a completely forged fresh engine on a fucking Ferrari block that will be in the 445lb range.

[kashira kureijii]

I usually just paint my exhaust black. my Evo X had no cat, was loud as hell and the exhaust was painted black. never got hassled by the cops. i also took the wing off which probably helped too

evo's just don't look the same without the wing tho........

also, I might agree with the whole " hear only turbo, forget exhaust sound" logic for sr's. My exhaust is too damn loud/drony/resonates, and I live in a neighborhood of nice elderly people, so I always feel like shit for cold starting it in the morning and it being loud AF. Turbo sound on the sr all day though.

Speaking of which, how shitty would stock exhaust look on an aero rear bumper? I kinda feel like I should just go back to stock with a test pipe(so less backpressure), so my car won't be all drony and shit

[dbeiler]

I love reading all the comments by the GM v8 dream-boys. Junkyard engines will produce over 9000hp with only bolt-on parts. Notice the lack of anyone with actual experience chiming in? That may be largely due to the fact that anyone who has actually built and ran a reliable 600hp LS knows damn well how ungodly, unbelievably, expensive it is.

Has anyone bothered to calculate how costly it is to do basic cam, heads, and exhaust upgrades? It isn't chump change. $5K can get you some decent parts.

Many people switch to a built LS for displacement/reliable power reasons.

Many people switch to a stock LS because they don't possess the mental capacity to modify and build a smaller displacement engine.

[kashira kureijii]

I love reading all the comments by the GM v8 dream-boys. Junkyard engines will produce over 9000hp with only bolt-on parts. Notice the lack of anyone with actual experience chiming in? That may be largely due to the fact that anyone who has actually built and ran a reliable 600hp LS knows damn well how ungodly, unbelievably, expensive it is.

Has anyone bothered to calculate how costly it is to do basic cam, heads, and exhaust upgrades? It isn't chump change. $5K can get you some decent parts.

Many people switch to a built LS for displacement/reliable power reasons.

Many people switch to a stock LS because they don't possess the mental capacity to modify and build a smaller displacement engine.

but bro, sloppy mechaniks make over 9000 hp on stock internalz LS1's all the time. theyr also 500 ibs lighter than an sr because they don't hav a turbo and intercooler

[Corbic]

I love reading all the comments by the GM v8 dream-boys. Junkyard engines will produce over 9000hp with only bolt-on parts.

Please quote that claim.

Notice the lack of anyone with actual experience chiming in?

Ironic considering what comes next.


That may be largely due to the fact that anyone who has actually built and ran a reliable 600hp LS knows damn well how ungodly, unbelievably, expensive it is.

It's very affordable all things considered. What would an after market head, cams, and forged stroker kit cost on a SR or RB? I bet an LS is half despite have 2x everything.

Also nobody is dropping in a Junkyard motor for a NA build. Slap a massive eBay turbo and go. The cost of turboing an LS is the same as upgrading your shitting stock SR/RB- injectors, turbo, manifold, FMIC, exhaust and tune.

The difference is with a LS you have 5-6 liters that make 300-400hp NA and internals that will hold 600-800hp unlike an SR that makes 140hp NA and will pop at 500hp.

Replacements are another thing. Pop a 5.3? Swap it out with another for $400.






Many people switch to a stock LS because they don't possess the mental capacity to modify and build a smaller displacement engine.


Says the man that has an RB25 instead of a CA18.... Even import fanbois know theirs no replacement for displacement.

K24 > K20 > B18 > B16 > D15

Rb26 > RB25 > RB20

2JZ > 1JZ

SR20 > CA18

4 Rotor > 3 Rotor > 2 Rotor


1300cc > 1000cc > 600cc > 250cc

EJ25 > EJ20

F22C > F20C

[Corbic]

Stock 5.3.
2 years at 860whp get sprayed, finally lets go. Poor bastards weekend is ruined and he's now out $400.

Wsdz3bTMurs

[Cheesy Doriftos]

is this a teddy danh thread from 2011?

[mastadon]

Everyone says how cheap an ls is, but the motor itself is more than a whole sr swap, then the transmission is that much all over again. Done? Nope, now you need the swap kit that costs an arm and a leg. Its difficult to do even an iron block ls for less than $6k. Thats not cheap power in my world.

[DustinSixOh9]

I mean, just on ebay you can find a stock 5.3 for as low as $400, mount kit with Z32 trans adapter w/ flywheel and driveshaft for $2400, z32 trans $300-400(?), appropriate clutch $350ish. Sure you need to wire it up and get all of the f-body accessories and what not, but I think it's pretty damn cost effective.

[Kingtal0n]

The way I would do this is, removable tube front on an S10/240sx, couple of spare 5.3s, and a turbocharger or two, some methanol/water, 4L60e or 700R4

[fatduece]

I think this whole v8 swap ties in perfectly with all the hoonigay bros. You guys are to lazy to build a sr/rb/jz So you want the easy way out and swap some homo v8. Lame. Just take your hick ass out of here. Get your self a domestic car and have fun with your v8, but dont come in here and spread your anal thoughts.

[Kingtal0n]

A real performance enthusiast uses whatever is available to him, and would not be closed minded to a higher performance application just because it is different or unfamiliar.

[kashira kureijii]

a real nissan enthusiast would use nissan..........just sayin

[fatduece]

^ Exactly.

[Beas]

moment of truth time...

LSx swap is NOT that popular.


yeah u may see a lot featured in mags or online somewhere, but in real life they are rare.

let me explain. I have a 6.0 swap in my kouki. I live in vegas. I go to the occasional meet, and usually talk to a few of the 240 guys. I come across mostly SR and stock KA 240s. never once come across a LSx 240 around town.

then there is track events. the last 2 drift events I was the only LSx 240 at the events. In my year of living in vegas ive come across a lot of 240s, and have yet to see 1 with an LSx swap. I've seen several vh45 swaps including a rear mounted turbo setup. ive seen 1uz swaps and even a 4g63 Mitsubishi swap. plenty of SR and RB swaps. Never an LSx swap.

maybe in your town you know a few guys with an LSx swap, but I bet u come across 10 times that many with SR or KA.

[Cheesy Doriftos]

come to texas. LS swaps are errewhere.

in texas you can buy LSx's 2 for 1 at wal-mart on black friday.

[Beas]

I mean, just on ebay you can find a stock 5.3 for as low as $400, mount kit with Z32 trans adapter w/ flywheel and driveshaft for $2400, z32 trans $300-400(?), appropriate clutch $350ish. Sure you need to wire it up and get all of the f-body accessories and what not, but I think it's pretty damn cost effective.


it costs a lot to do a complete LSX swap. 10k plus. if u want a high mileage 5.3 and can fab custom mounts and wire it yourself for free u maybe can get it down to around 7-8k.

[2muchboost]

Hoonigan does not equal affordable proven performance.....it's way more than that. Having fully built 2 SR setups then having set up a monster 2J setup.....I can say sometimes makes sense to go V8. How many of you have built a reliable 700+rwhp RB, 2J, Ka, SR setup? What was your total cost? It took me a long time to agree but a simplified motor with junkyard and off the shelf locally accessible parts makes sense depending on your goal. It's not for everyone I agree. The only valid point i can see here is an enthusiast sticking with Nissan only....that I can see. I can respect a well built setup no matter what it is.

To call an LS build lazy is absolutely stupid. Are you gonna tell me the big displacement setups aren't something respectable...lol sure you wouldn't want a Hennessy built car or Underground Racing Lambo right? Can I respect a lesser displacement setup hanging or beating something more expensive with less displacement....fuck yeah. We are on a thread for enthusiast with cheap chassis. Get into more expensive scenes and each part alone costs what our chassis do. You guys need to stop acting as if a 240sx is more than that....this coming from a true aficionado of the 240sx. I too Love seeing the unexpected. Such as an SR setup walking a Viper etc. But to not give respect where it's due is flat out moronic.

Take a stock 4.8 with relatively cheap upgrades and you have a stock monster kicking ass with a stock motor worth less than $700. Build an RB or Sr with the same budget and it will be a rude awakening. Yes the LS1, LS2, of LS3 swaps aren't cheap but there are many ways to skin a cat. You guys need to realistic ..it's not cheap no matter what way you choose. But if I had X budget to achieve Y goal....sometimes there is one route that makes sense.

[DustinSixOh9]

I think this whole v8 swap ties in perfectly with all the hoonigay bros. You guys are to lazy to build a sr/rb/jz So you want the easy way out and swap some homo v8. Lame. Just take your hick ass out of here. Get your self a domestic car and have fun with your v8, but dont come in here and spread your anal thoughts.

You are in the top tier of worst people on this website

[Tearlessj]

This thread needs to be locked. It's going no where.

[Matej]

V-shaped motors seem unpleasant to work around/underneath in the engine bay for lazy car enthusiasts who hate working on cars, such as myself. They are cool and the easy power is neat, but I will leave them to the people who enjoy working on cars and do not mind unbolting two exhaust manifolds from underneath, having two heads, dealing with crossover downpipes, and all that stuff.


https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/11146610_389213407932813_4733576901320334961_n.jpg ?oh=ef67bc84625ab9df5a5a2d62707086fc&oe=56D0CD2C

[2muchboost]

Where is Obee when we need him....that damn SKYLINE of his would win above all.

[KAT-PWR]

The way I would do this is, removable tube front on an S10/240sx, couple of spare 5.3s, and a turbocharger or two, some methanol/water, 4L60e or 700R4

This is the real way to do it. My friends built a sloppy sunbird that ran high 9's i think it was it was a junk yard 5.3, meth, e85, no intercooler, tons of boost.
Another local guy making like 700 on a similar deal.

[Kingtal0n]

This is the real way to do it. My friends built a sloppy sunbird that ran high 9's i think it was it was a junk yard 5.3, meth, e85, no intercooler, tons of boost.
Another local guy making like 700 on a similar deal.

And if you are smart about placement and fabrication, especially with that removable front end, you wont have too much bs to deal with as was mentioned (I too dislike having two side of exhaust manifolds/heads/plugs and having to go under the vehicle for these items...) and engine swaps can be done quickly. I am all about having an engine out, and a new engine in, within a day. Thus the sr20 has suited my purposes for ten years now; however, these days, you need a bit more than 350rwhp to keep up with the crowd. And asking one, even a built one, for 500+ is like asking a rock for blood. You can hit it all you want with your fist; the blood you see is your own.

[Corbic]

V-shaped motors seem unpleasant to work around/underneath in the engine bay for lazy car enthusiasts who hate working on cars, such as myself. They are cool and the easy power is neat, but I will leave them to the people who enjoy working on cars and do not mind unbolting two exhaust manifolds from underneath, having two heads, dealing with crossover downpipes, and all that stuff.




Honestly, when is the last time you had to regularly unbolt exhaust manifolds or pull heads?

The LS, being pushrod is infinitely easier to pull the head on when compared to a timing chain driving DOHC like the SR. You can have both heads on and off quicker than the one head on any of these Japanese engine.


Also look at all the integrated gaskets and grommets. The engine is marvel of stream lined engineering and mechanical simplicity.

It really is like building with Legos.

[fatduece]

You are in the top tier of worst people on this website GOOD.

muchboost;5967108].....I can say sometimes makes sense to go V8. How many of you have built a reliable 700+rwhp RB, 2J, Ka, SR setup? What was your total cost?


You keep talking about cost. It literally does not matter. If youre that worried about the money you spend then maybe you should stop completely. Either route we take, we still throw money in the toilet.


To call an LS build lazy is absolutely stupid. Are you gonna tell me the big displacement setups aren't something respectable...lol That's exactly what I'm telling you. There is nothing special about the power a big displacement motor can make. It's very easy.

sure you wouldn't want a Hennessy built car or Underground Racing Lambo right? Believe it or not, but not all of us beat our meat at exotic cars. If you gave me either one of those, I'd sell it and buy a r34 with a bond release.


if I had X budget to achieve Y goal....sometimes there is one route that makes sense. That's cool and all, but if you're gonna do that, then get a domestic car to begin with. Stop being a lazy hoonihomo who keeps looking for the easy way out.

[Corbic]

You keep talking about cost. It literally does not matter. If youre that worried about the money you spend then maybe you should stop completely. Either route we take, we still throw money in the toilet.

Money does matter no matter what anyone says. The biggest difference is that when you crack a piston, spin a bearing or bust a rod in that priceless SR23VET stroker build you are up shits creek. When your 6.2 block explodes, you drop a grand and your running the next weekend.





That's exactly what I'm telling you. There is nothing special about the power a big displacement motor can make. It's very easy.

There is nothing special about swiping credit cards and making power on big turbo 4s and 6s.... Seriously, it's 2015, not 1987. We've all seen +1k HP 4Gs, 2Js and K-series. R35 owners aren't even cool if they can't break 4 digits.






Believe it or not, but not all of us beat our meat at exotic cars. If you gave me either one of those, I'd sell it and buy a r34 with a bond release..

Yes, cause a Grey-Market R34 isn't exotic. I see them all the time at the grocery store. Just a run of the mill import.

Nissan Built 11,000 R34 GTRs.

Lamborghini built 13,500 Gallardos.

Dodge has built 30,000 Vipers since 1992.

Porsche sells 12,000 911s every year in the United States alone.

But don't let reality stop you, please tell me how you prefer the common mans every day GTR to the likes of such exotic and rare super cars.





That's cool and all, but if you're gonna do that, then get a domestic car to begin with. Stop being a lazy hoonihomo who keeps looking for the easy way out.


Stop being an insecure twat throwing out the term homo every chance you get. Are you in 4th grade? Is this 1994?

Generally speaking, and most will agree, GM makes underwhelming cars. They make fantastic engines, but many of the cars they come in suck. (Should sound familiar, Honda, Toyota).

The LS is honestly one of the 5 greatest engines ever built. To argue against that is asinine. Makes perfect sense that someone would want to slap an amazing engine into a car they enjoy.

As for your calls of "enthusiasm" and "purity". Not everyone sees their car as a fashion statement. Also, are you outraged by 2jz swaps as well? Who the fuck puts a RB in a 240! That's a skyline engine! It should stay in skylines!

[NISR20MO]

First off, fatdeuce, suck shit pansie :picardfp:

Second off, Corbic, your contributions in here totally redeem all your mustang pic posts :kiss:

My super long post is late to the party but here we go.

V-shaped motors seem unpleasant to work around/underneath in the engine bay for lazy car enthusiasts who hate working on cars, such as myself. They are cool and the easy power is neat, but I will leave them to the people who enjoy working on cars and do not mind unbolting two exhaust manifolds from underneath, having two heads, dealing with crossover downpipes, and all that stuff.

^Posts pic of most unreachable exhaust manifold hardware in existence.

Keep in mind pulling the heads involves none of the timing gear. And just a little FYI, both of the LS heads will come off faster than any other motor you could be talking about with one cylinder head and you don't have to lean as far, and they are probably lighter. However, I will agree with the headers taking up tons of space and being difficult to work around. So I would suggest you do this instead, and then you can pull anything but the starter off from up top no problem.

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll257/skizihPhiziks/th_image3_zpsd0zzonwp.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/skizihPhiziks/media/image3_zpsd0zzonwp.jpg.html)

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll257/skizihPhiziks/th_IMG_1590_zpsnfpykwmi.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/skizihPhiziks/media/IMG_1590_zpsnfpykwmi.jpg.html)

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll257/skizihPhiziks/th_IMG_1589_zpsgsuzbjg6.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/skizihPhiziks/media/IMG_1589_zpsgsuzbjg6.jpg.html)

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll257/skizihPhiziks/th_IMG_1586_zpsyo4qg3nq.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/skizihPhiziks/media/IMG_1586_zpsyo4qg3nq.jpg.html)

This is the real way to do it. My friends built a sloppy sunbird that ran high 9's i think it was it was a junk yard 5.3, meth, e85, no intercooler, tons of boost.
Another local guy making like 700 on a similar deal.

Chup.

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll257/skizihPhiziks/th_IMG_1762_zpsalc5gppu.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/skizihPhiziks/media/IMG_1762_zpsalc5gppu.jpg.html)

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll257/skizihPhiziks/th_IMG_1761_zpspm6usocz.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/skizihPhiziks/media/IMG_1761_zpspm6usocz.jpg.html)

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll257/skizihPhiziks/th_IMG_1758_zpssdjmlvu4.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/skizihPhiziks/media/IMG_1758_zpssdjmlvu4.jpg.html)

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll257/skizihPhiziks/th_IMG_1777_zpsxndwdk1j.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/skizihPhiziks/media/IMG_1777_zpsxndwdk1j.jpg.html)

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll257/skizihPhiziks/th_IMG_1763_zpsfgngrhew.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/skizihPhiziks/media/IMG_1763_zpsfgngrhew.jpg.html)

Super easy to work on and around, not much in the way of accessibility there. It didn't come without some complications to work out, but the benefits that will follow are well worth it. Fuel now comes up the drivers side, brake lines will be along the front crossmember for passenger front and the rear will run back down the drivers side. No hot feet for me, no hot fuel, and no boiled brake fluid and heated lines. I made my clutch bleed line long enough to just plop it in the CMC reservoir with it open and pump away, voila it's practically self bleeding. 3.5" straight through turbo back will run straight back and down on the passenger side, crossover underneath and route out in normal factory fashion.

Granted my engine is not in final running trim, but, I have pulled and reinstalled the drivetrain multiple times in about 30 minutes each way, by myself. The trick is to lift the car off the subframe and crossmember that are unbolted and sitting on a cart so you can roll everything out from the bottom. It's not rocket science, all the gripes people have are mostly BS.

[Jorgs_7]

I think this whole v8 swap ties in perfectly with all the hoonigay bros. You guys are to lazy to build a sr/rb/jz So you want the easy way out and swap some homo v8. Lame. Just take your hick ass out of here. Get your self a domestic car and have fun with your v8, but dont come in here and spread your anal thoughts.


Do you have ANY idea how stupid, biased and ignorant you really sound?

[10psitx]

Reading the thread one comes away with a few good points for both positive and negative on V8 vs Import....but the reality of the matter is this, it all comes down to how much you want to spend UP FRONT.

All this talk about if the V8 pops you go to the junk yard and get a block for $400 is not important....Up front cost is high to get a LSV8 in to a S or R chassis. If you have the means you can bring it down but that's not the rule... it the exception...

Take this for instance...i have alot of vehicles including a bunch or SR powered 240's, a skyline, A Mark 2 and a Trail blazer SS, the SS recently developed a knock and i've been looking for one of These elusive cheap $400 LS2 engines...guess what...can't seem to find any under $4000. I live close to 2 junk yards and its quite hard to get an iron block LS, lq, anything.....Cheap and available...not for me...maybe i didn't search hard enough but i don't want to rebuild (quoted for rebuild in the $4k+ range with just a mild cam and springs)... i rather just install and drive in the SS.

The SR/ RB/JZ on the other hand i can find in droves, and i can also get parts just as easy.

I have nothing against the LS, i own one, i have nothing against the LS in a S chassis either...i'd love to build one but it's cost prohibitive for me...This post has nothing to do with the actual question this thread was started for but it became a LS VS Japanese engine and how affordable it was to install the LS in anything....that i call bullshit on. In its most junkyard from, with no labor cost and friends helping out is no cheaper that a typical SR swap done in the same manner...i think it may be more expensive actually...my 2 cents.

[Malik]

I like air conditioning how many v8 swaps are you going to see with AC

[TurboTiger]

What I've never understood is why some people look down on the LS swap.

[2muchboost]

@10psi....I agree that the LS1, LS2, LS3 etc are not cheap. But my post above was to prove that unless you are hell bent on an LS (there are reasons for it) you can setup a very capable 4.8, 5.3, 6.0, or 6.2 for a reasonable cost. A member here was selling an L92 ready to go with everything needed motor wise for $1800. I live in ATX I can show you were you can find cheap non-LS derivatives of the LS for cheap. Hell I have an 05 5.3 LM7 (stronger upgrades from GM) for $650. Add an LS intake, some accessories, an oil pan and for under $1600 you have a motor that will sneeze at 700rwhp in stock form. The initial cost for an LSx swap is likely more expensive than an import but not by much if you shop around.

This is thread is rather entertaining how some of you go back and forth on things. There is a reason 200k+ Chevy motors from the junkyard are able to take a beating and keep ticking.

Lol @ if you are worried about money stop building. My friend you are hilarious. Money is an object to everyone unless you are a Saudi Prince or the founders of Google etc. I would and will continue to build S chassis cause I love them not cause it's a smart investment. I have owned and had a chance to own much higher value cars but a piece of me loves the S chassis but I am realistic about what it is.

Lol @ lazy way out. I don't get into dick measuring contests cause it's stupid but look at my 2J build from before....my damn ProEfi was worth more than my damn chassis. To build a setup of high power there is nothing lazy. I am comparing simplicity of setups here. To build a turbo LS and a turbo 2j it takes similar work so I am not sure how laziness fits in. I would rather have my $100 LS ECU do the work...granted nowhere near a amazing as my ProEfi but then again it's not a $2500+ unit out of the box plus tuning so I wouldn't expect my LS ECU to be as robust.

Are you trying to say that building an OEM block 2J and building an OEM LS is lazy cause you don't have to replaces Pistons, rods, etc? Is it cool to have to replace almost everything inside of the motor to make 600rwhp and hope it stays together? Again the machine work in my old SR alone was $2500 and the was a hook up. A stock $400 4.8 can do that without much more than springs, cam, headgaskets.....not lazy for me it makes sense to spend the money elsewhere. And if it does pop I find another LS derivative locally and continue.

Btw...swapping in AC on my LS this winter if I keep her. I will be "lazy" and buy the Sikky kit and have a fun, reliable, AC car.

[driftsucky]

What I've never understood is why some people look down on the LS swap.

Because some people want others to be miserable. Since they can't easily get parts at any junkyard or NAPA store (that's open on Sundays), they want you to also have to overnight parts from Japan. It's the whole misery loves company complex.

[Corbic]

Reading the thread one comes away with a few good points for both positive and negative on V8 vs Import....but the reality of the matter is this, it all comes down to how much you want to spend UP FRONT. .

But you are making a huge mistake. You are comparing a stock 215hp SR pull-out to a installed +500hp LS engine.

To properly install an LS and do the basic bitch GT28 you really are looking at $5-6k. This means $2k more gets you more power, a stronger engine and transmission and gobs of torque.

Engines blow up all the time. Building an Import is no guarantee that it won't blow up and all that money is gone.

All this talk about if the V8 pops you go to the junk yard and get a block for $400 is not important....Up front cost is high to get a LSV8 in to a S or R chassis. If you have the means you can bring it down but that's not the rule... it the exception.../QUOTE]

See above.

[QUOTE=10psitx;5967290]Take this for instance...i have alot of vehicles including a bunch or SR powered 240's, a skyline, A Mark 2 and a Trail blazer SS, the SS recently developed a knock and i've been looking for one of These elusive cheap $400 LS2 engines...guess what...can't seem to find any under $4000.

Be realistic. The mythological $300 engine is the 5.3 that has come in every Silverado, Tahoe, etc. built since 1999. Chevy sells 300k Silverados a year.

The iron block 6.0 is the next common engine. You pay a premium for the performance car based aluminum blocks.

You shouldn't fear the iron block since it won't weight anymore than a RB25 (iron block) or a JZ motor (iron block).

In the end the ~70-100lbs on the street is immaterial in a 600whp car.

live close to 2 junk yards and its quite hard to get an iron block LS, lq, anything.....Cheap and available...not for me...maybe i didn't search hard enough but i don't want to rebuild (quoted for rebuild in the $4k+ range with just a mild cam and springs)... i rather just install and drive in the SS.


Yeah... No.

Call LKQ and order a L92 or something for $1,500. Basic bitch DIY rebuild would be less then $500 on your engine. You could swap to the better L92 and sell your heads and block to make your money back as well.

Honestly if you can't rebuild an LS you shouldn't be commenting on people's builds any ways.

[Corbic]

I like air conditioning how many v8 swaps are you going to see with AC


Same number as SR, 2J and RB?

[DustinSixOh9]

The cost of a s15bb turbo, tomei 550-740 injectors, and lets say a PFC tune to make ~280-310whp on an SR is enough to buy the full swap kit with trans adapter and driveshaft. $300 z32 trans and maybe $2000 on your motor, accessories and wiring gives you the same power out of a 5.3 with a lot more room for power with basic bolt ons. I might have just talked myself into doing this.

[NISR20MO]

The reasons an LS swap are so popular are pretty abundant but it pretty much goes like this.

Iron block motors start off as cheap entry fee into reliable big power. If you type in car-part.com you can find a shit ton of available LS variants in your region that you can pick up or have shipped to you with or without warranties from a huge pool of junkyards nationwide. There is more availability and search breadth on this one site than any importer could ever offer you stateside. They can be had complete starting for as little as $300 from an individual on craigslist. And, yes you can spend more off the bat to get more. That is NOT really an option with an imported JDM engine, where you pretty much get what you get without many variations.

LS1tech.com has, at any point in time, pretty much every single part you could ever want for sale secondhand. With how modular everything is you can upgrade component by component and take your new parts with you when you move up.

The GM dealership down the road from you can, believe it or not, get you fucking parts for your car. WOW, what a concept.

Just to mention it since it has come up before. Gone are the days of cheap (sub 1k) L33's, the only consistently affordable aluminum block option. If you get lucky one may pop up for sale but don't hold your breath. T56's aren't cheap either. And you guessed it, you will have to make it all fit, which may not be the simplest/cheapest thing to do especially with huge headers.

[Corbic]

Another thing to remember is a lot of guys already did the SR/RB swap and got fed up with the hassle, long spool and costs.

Put me in that category.

[fatduece]

^Lol. You're fed up? Oh, thats cool. Then why dont you take your hillbilly, slack jaw to some v8 forum where you could all stroke each other about your swap? Why do you have to spread your anal paste throughout this forum? Point simply, KICK ROCKS.

[Corbic]

^Lol. You're fed up? Oh, thats cool. Then why dont you take your hillbilly, slack jaw to some v8 forum where you could all stroke each other about your swap? Why do you have to spread your anal paste throughout this forum? Point simply, KICK ROCKS.


Sounds like you have some serious anger issues stemming from inner sexual confusion....

http://marieclaire.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/11116/0000800dd/4e53_orh1000w646/12-Sofia-Coppola-Little-Mermaid.jpg

[sean710]

^^^

lmao I was going to suggest the same thing. :keke:

[Malik]

Same number as SR, 2J and RB?

I had an SR with AC... but you could be right I guess.

I assume its easier to make it fit without custom headers you'd need for an LS job.

but who cares this thread is silly

[2muchboost]

No custom headers custom lines and fittings....off the shelf from Sikky.

Yes I agree.

[Malik]

what do you for an exhaust with a kit like this

http://www.sikky.com/headers_high_performance_headers_manufacturer.php

http://www.sikky.com/img/headers_main_lrg.jpg

[kashira kureijii]

I would say a lot of the anger toward LS swap peeps isn't really so much that they're jelly of that cheap LS action, or simply hate anything domestic, a lot of it has to do with attitude of GM fanboys and people who do LS swaps.

To them, The LS engine is gods gift to mankind, and it should be put in every vehicle ever made because its the best, cheapest, most "reliable" engine ever. Look anywhere, and you'lle always see that asshat who says "in line fo dat LS swap" or "why didn't you do LS swaps bruh" at everything. They claim its some sort of technological masterpiece when in reality its just another pushrod V8, which have existed since literally the dawn of engines.

The engine isn't an inherently superior design, it doesn't "trump OHC bruh" as any LS enthusiast will tell you, Its redeeming factors are literally its availability as everyone has said, and the fact that it has easy power from displacement.

No engine is so superior that it belongs in everything, everyone needs to quit making attention starved OP's dumb thread so large

This thread should be locked, we already have a DIW thread where everyone can jack each other off or argue with each other.

[10psitx]

Corbic, you keep going back to the ebay turbo and such...for one who portrays jedi knowledge about the LSv8 you're missing the my basic point...its just as expensive as a 215hp sr....to swap in for the regular joe...even more if you buy all the parts from legit companys...hell hook me up with a t56 for $250 /$300 at my door if thats the case...and as far as the iron blocks...i would like to keep the trail blazer with the aluminium LS...its good enough for me...i have quite a few other toys i can play with so i don't need to mod that too....again share with me where i can buy a Trail Blazer LS2 engine for less than $4k..btw i have called LKQ...they have none in stock...the have LS2's from the vette and GTO'S don't need those.
As for not being able to rebuild one my self...why would you assume i can't?...i remember typing "i Don't" not "i can't" don't assume sir.

Nothing is wrong with putting the LS in anything else..i would do it in a heart beat its a no brainer, great potential...its just cost prohibitive for me and i bet alot of other guys too...you seem to think other wise and keep harping on the $400 4.8 that straight out of the silverado will make 500hp...The 6.0 in my SS rated at 395 from the factory how did the 4.8 get 500hp? or did you have to spend some money to do that?...i think yes and that is where the cost goes up.
Your standing is, its cheap...and to an extent you are correct....but UP front cost for the vast majority of car guys is alot compared to dropping in a 215 hp SR...lets be honest here a junk yard fresh silverado/tahoe etc 4.8 with all OEM glory is no match for a SR, RB, JZ...that is not hear say....case in point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UhCz9evjN8 same SR20 240sx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWnIjTcFK68

Title say nitrous but the SR had none...that sr dynoed 225/223 all oem @ 10psi

Again you assume i don't like the LS when in fact i do, i own one....i'm saying cost wise, its not as cheap as you make it seem for most people. I guess i'm not a person who will half ass a swap just because....i'd rather do it right once(=costly) or not do it at all. As i said in my previous post, nothing here contributes to the OP'S question...just my observance with the LS vs Import engine initial cost out lay.

[10psitx]

@10psi....I agree that the LS1, LS2, LS3 etc are not cheap. But my post above was to prove that unless you are hell bent on an LS (there are reasons for it) you can setup a very capable 4.8, 5.3, 6.0, or 6.2 for a reasonable cost. I live in ATX I can show you were you can find cheap non-LS derivatives of the LS for cheap. Hell I have an 05 5.3 LM7 (stronger upgrades from GM) for $650. Add an LS intake, some accessories, an oil pan and for under $1600 you have a motor that will sneeze at 700rwhp in stock form. The initial cost for an LSx swap is likely more expensive than an import but not by much if you shop around.

This is thread is rather entertaining how some of you go back and forth on things. There is a reason 200k+ Chevy motors from the junkyard are able to take a beating and keep ticking.


Agreed

PM me please with the info i'm interested


I share you point of view, all valid and broad based.

[zeitgeist]

I like air conditioning how many v8 swaps are you going to see with AC

Mine does. Using basically everything that already comes with the LS1 with the addition to a few parts to mate it to the 240sx. Super Easy

Fatdeuce, Shut up. I imagine you as a neckbeard telling people what they should do with their car at a car meet. Go away.

And for the rest of you all butthurt about an LS1 in a 240sx, grow up. It's a big hunk of metal like you precious JDM paperweights. If you don't like it, simple, move on to the next car.

[simmode1]

I have nothing against the LSX, but the purist in me doesn't like cross-platform swapping. But this thread is turning me into a Chevy fan. Currently trying to plan out what LSx truck to pair with a cheap C5 Vette for the future garage... Fuck all this swapping shit. Just buy the car with the motor already in it.

[bardabe]

I have nothing against the LSX, but the purist in me doesn't like cross-platform swapping. But this thread is turning me into a Chevy fan. Currently trying to plan out what LSx truck to pair with a cheap C5 Vette for the future garage... Fuck all this swapping shit. Just buy the car with the motor already in it.

this X1000 (except for the cross brand swapping i almost went 2JZ lol)

even on the expensive dealer financed side, early 2000's Z06's are in the Teens. by the time you buy an s chassis, swap and LS and do some half way decent asthetic mods you could of bought a Z06. Cash.

if ever even consider an LSX, I will buy a Z06, put a Recaro, some TE's, Long tube headers, exhausts, a cam and tune it. I won't ever get fucked with by the cops and won't have to worry about anything.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/ctd/5290936310.html

[kashira kureijii]

plus no cops are gonna fuck with a corvette owner like they would an s-chassis. they'll just assume your an old white guy if you have a corvette, and leave you alone, its a win win for purists and otherwise

[Corbic]

I have nothing against the LSX, but the purist in me doesn't like cross-platform swapping. But this thread is turning me into a Chevy fan. Currently trying to plan out what LSx truck to pair with a cheap C5 Vette for the future garage... Fuck all this swapping shit. Just buy the car with the motor already in it.


Same logic applies to building any project car.

Why dump $15k into a 240 when you can buy a Vette. Why dump $15k into a Vettw when you can buy a Viper... So on.

[Corbic]

plus no cops are gonna fuck with a corvette owner like they would an s-chassis. they'll just assume your an old white guy if you have a corvette, and leave you alone, its a win win for purists and otherwise


I own a bright yellow Type-X with a big turbo, no BOV, open dump and 3".

I've never been "fucked with" by the police while driving it.

[Kingtal0n]

joins police force to adjust statistics and prove otherwise to make a point on the internet forums

[turboshoebox]

I own a bright yellow Type-X with a big turbo, no BOV, open dump and 3".

I've never been "fucked with" by the police while driving it.

if ur not in cali ur argument is void. Nobody gives a fuck what is done to ur car outside of of nazi california.

[simmode1]

this X1000 (except for the cross brand swapping i almost went 2JZ lol)

even on the expensive dealer financed side, early 2000's Z06's are in the Teens. by the time you buy an s chassis, swap and LS and do some half way decent asthetic mods you could of bought a Z06. Cash.

if ever even consider an LSX, I will buy a Z06, put a Recaro, some TE's, Long tube headers, exhausts, a cam and tune it. I won't ever get fucked with by the cops and won't have to worry about anything.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/ctd/5290936310.html

Yaaaaaas! I would target a C5 Z06, but didn't they only come in the butt-ugly coupes? I want the targa-top fastback. Seeing those for about $7k or $8k. A ton of them are auto though. T56 swap & profit? It seems like the modular nature of the LS makes this not a huge deal. Just swap on a better head, I guess.

[Corbic]

if ur not in cali ur argument is void. Nobody gives a fuck what is done to ur car outside of of nazi california.


Then move.

Why stay somewhere that is "ruining" your life and making you butt hurt?

Also, the guy I was responding too is from Texas.

[Corbic]

Yaaaaaas! I would target a C5 Z06, but didn't they only come in the butt-ugly coupes? I want the targa-top fastback. Seeing those for about $7k or $8k. A ton of them are auto though. T56 swap & profit? It seems like the modular nature of the LS makes this not a huge deal. Just swap on a better head, I guess.


Yes, Coupe only on the Z06.

Why bother with Z06 anymore. If you want raw power.... Turbo the base car.

Also, a T56 swap would be a bit trickier in a Vette seeing they are trans-axle cars. You'd need all the linkage. That said it would be cheaper since no one wants the transaxle T56 because it's Vette only. Only guys that can use it are some kit car builders and 928 owners.

[Malik]

Mine does. Using basically everything that already comes with the LS1 with the addition to a few parts to mate it to the 240sx. Super Easy



your turning me into fan now...

[kashira kureijii]

Then move.

Why stay somewhere that is "ruining" your life and making you butt hurt?

Also, the guy I was responding too is from Texas.

tbh, I got stopped 3 times in 3 days (about a year ago) because my car had an exhaust leak at where the downpipe meets the elbow , so they kept stopping me and annoying me about it, I couldn't fix it immediately cuz all my fixing stuff is at my parents house, so I kept getting screwed over. I feel as if it was old vette or a domestic vehicle they wouldn't have been such hillbilly dicks about it. But I suppose that doesn't count as a normal situation.
I haven't actually been stopped since then in my 240, despite it being obnoxiously resonatey
Back when I had my sw20 (completely stock) I got pulled over for doing 52 in a 45 (street became 55mph literally in like 300ft) around a bend.

Policeman: any partigular rezan why ya goin so fast son!
Me: no sir
Policeman: I saw u almost break traction around dat bend dere, I seen people die doing shit like that!
Me 2 self: the car is midengine, its not gonna break traction going like 7mph over the limit, I know what I'm doing
Me: I'm sorry sir, that was not my intention
Policeman: look son!, If ya wanna go fast, buy a real car and take it to a track!
Me: respectful silence, gets ticket

Moral of the story, dem imports ain't real cars, buy a domestic and get less shit from dem billys, policemen or otherwise

[bardabe]

Yaaaaaas! I would target a C5 Z06, but didn't they only come in the butt-ugly coupes? I want the targa-top fastback. Seeing those for about $7k or $8k. A ton of them are auto though. T56 swap & profit? It seems like the modular nature of the LS makes this not a huge deal. Just swap on a better head, I guess.

Yeah they do but apparently it's really easy to do the FRF (Fixed Roof Fastback) conversion. Considering all the brake ducting, suspension and bad ass trans the Z06 have. I would go the Converted body rather than add power, braking, etc to a base. I have a t-top Z32 right now and never take them off, (I'm actually going to convert it to a slick top) so I would prefer a fixed roof car. I've personally never been a fan of convertibles.

[turboshoebox]

Then move.

Why stay somewhere that is "ruining" your life and making you butt hurt?

Also, the guy I was responding too is from Texas.

meaning cops

[silviaks2nr]

if ur not in cali ur argument is void. Nobody gives a fuck what is done to ur car outside of of nazi california.

California super cool to the homeless, not to the wreckless.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/blowass/180sx/240close0hc.jpg

[Corbic]

tbh, I got stopped 3 times in 3 days (about a year ago) because my car had an exhaust leak at where the downpipe meets the elbow , so they kept stopping me and annoying me about it, I couldn't fix it immediately cuz all my fixing stuff is at my parents house, so I kept getting screwed over. I feel as if it was old vette or a domestic vehicle they wouldn't have been such hillbilly dicks about it. But I suppose that doesn't count as a normal situation.

I haven't actually been stopped since then in my 240,

Yeah... No. If you where an old white guy in a Vette you wouldn't be driving around with a broken exhaust manifold pissing off the world. As you self assessed, you fixed your car and now are left alone.

Lesson : don't drive missiles


despite it being obnoxiously resonatey

Back when I had my sw20 (completely stock) I got pulled over for doing 52 in a 45 (street became 55mph literally in like 300ft) around a bend.

So you admit to speeding... Sounds like a speed trap to me.



Policeman: any partigular rezan why ya goin so fast son!

Me: no sir

Policeman: I saw u almost break traction around dat bend dere, I seen people die doing shit like that!

Me 2 self: the car is midengine, its not gonna break traction going like 7mph over the limit, I know what I'm doing

Me: I'm sorry sir, that was not my intention

Policeman: look son!, If ya wanna go fast, buy a real car and take it to a track!

Me: respectful silence, gets ticket

I call bullshit on half of this. I do believe you did 15 over and took a turn hard and squealed the tires. I do believe he questioned you about it and you gave him mid-engine BS and he smiled and gave you a ticket for being a douche.





Moral of the story, dem imports ain't real cars, buy a domestic and get less shit from dem billys, policemen or otherwise


Moral of the story is don't be a 18 year old twit driving a broken car, swerving around corners while speeding and then giving a cop lip about it.

[turboshoebox]

Like I said. People will often say I have no exhaust or cat and drive by cops all the time and they don't hassle me. Well of course not your not in nazi california. They leave you alone everywhere else.

In Nazi california if you as everyone knows is they are quick to pull you over for exhaust, tinted windows etc.

I hear it's just as bad in austraillia.

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e15/10731917_380361972143034_838776520_n.jpg

[kashira kureijii]

Yeah... No. If you where an old white guy in a Vette you wouldn't be driving around with a broken exhaust manifold pissing off the world. As you self assessed, you fixed your car and now are left alone.
Lesson : don't drive missiles
So you admit to speeding... Sounds like a speed trap to me.
I call bullshit on half of this. I do believe you did 15 over and took a turn hard and squealed the tires. I do believe he questioned you about it and you gave him mid-engine BS and he smiled and gave you a ticket for being a douche.

Moral of the story is don't be a 18 year old twit driving a broken car, swerving around corners while speeding and then giving a cop lip about it.

whatever man, thats what actually happened, if you don't believe it then who the hell cares, This happened when I had just rebuilt my sr, and I had accidently fucked up the gasket between the elbow and downpipe, so there was a tiny leak, the car sounded the same with the leak and without it, thats not the point. The point is, despite driving around on vacuum to keep her quite, and observing all traffic laws, literally immediately after leaving the inspection place I got a ticket, despite explaining that I had just left it and the date probably showing up in the police computer.
Regardless of what happens, people are gonna be assholes, thats just life, my statement of "people will fuck with you less if you have a domestic vehicle" is kinda true where I live( in the middle of hillbilly bumfuck egypt), that may not apply to your specific geographic position,
As for the sw20 story, I suppose its just bad luck, I am fairly shy, so I would never really argue with anyone i don't know in person, dickish police guy did say that despite my silence.
but I apologize if I insulted you in any way.
I suppose you could disregard my previous comments, because they don't apply to everybody in everyplace ever. not that its a big deal or anything, this thread is a friggin joke thread anyway.

Please resume your sn95 proselytizing or whatever it was you guys were doing

[dbeiler]

To all the dream-boys still blabbering about the "cheap" junkyard engines.

http://bdturnkeyengines.com/availability-price/

"CURRENT AVAILABILITY & PRICE

June 1, 2015

The Gen3 (1999-2006) GM Vortec V8 engine aftermarket has reached a new situation. Trucks & SUV’s of this era are typically NOT being repaired these days. Fenders, Doors, Beds, Interiors, etc. are of little to no value to the auto recycler (wrecking yard) except for the actually scrap metal value. Therefore the auto recycler must make their profit on the engine, transmission, and a few other drivetrain parts. The engine being the most valuable component has driven prices up significantly in the past few years. This, along with the dwindling supply and increased demand (every forum, magazine, Facebook page, etc. is littered with the next LS / Vortec Swap project) has also increased prices. BD Turnkey Engines is not making any more on our engines today than when we started but have seen our retail prices increase almost 50%."

[dbeiler]

Why the truck engines require tons of parts to fit into cars:

http://bdturnkeyengines.com/vortec-vs-ls/

[Corbic]

Why the truck engines require tons of parts to fit into cars:



http://bdturnkeyengines.com/vortec-vs-ls/


You are still not getting it.

No one does this to make stock horse power numbers.

But hey, the whole world is wrong.

[ixfxi]

http://www.sr20store.com/home/images/stories/motors/sr20/s15.jpg

^ i heard this engine fits our cars nicely

the cool thing is when you pop your hood, the engine reads "NISSAN"

[fatduece]

^but, but....The parts availability is bad, it's weak, not enough power, not enough cylinders!! These hicks just want a excuse to be a hick. Do the right swap or take your hick ass to the domestic side and do all your v8 swaps to your hearts content.

[turboshoebox]

http://www.sr20store.com/home/images/stories/motors/sr20/s15.jpg

^ i heard this engine fits our cars nicely

the cool thing is when you pop your hood, the engine reads "NISSAN"

engine so clean u could eat off of it

[turboshoebox]

http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/AY0F8199.jpg

[Tearlessj]

You guys don't get it. There is no right swap. No one really cares about anything. There are enough 240's for them to be swapped with whatever the hell the owners want. Plenty of RB/SR cars to go around. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

[Corbic]

http://www.sr20store.com/home/images/stories/motors/sr20/s15.jpg

^ i heard this engine fits our cars nicely

the cool thing is when you pop your hood, the engine reads "NISSAN"


Gotta make sure all your brands match yo!

Nothing pisses me off like seeing a kid wearing Jordan's while rocking an Adidas hoodie.

http://sneakerbardetroit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/air-jordan-3-powder-blue-apparel.jpg

[Corbic]

^but, but....The parts availability is bad, it's weak, not enough power, not enough cylinders!! These hicks just want a excuse to be a hick. Do the right swap or take your hick ass to the domestic side and do all your v8 swaps to your hearts content.


Irony is, based off your arguments and comments, I suspect you are the only inbreed, xenophobic hill rat in this debate.

Meanwhile in Japan....

http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Stance-LS2-S13-11-680x453.jpg

In a country where you can pick up a SR for $300, this guy imported a LS engine...

[onehundredoctane]

But JDM engines give you more cool points!

Said no one.

[fatduece]

Corbic, a hill rat would never drive an import. That's all I've owned and driven since I came to America in 1999

[ixfxi]

the thing that is nice about my SR swap is that it installed.

and i can get parts from a company called NISSAN, thats kinda cool too... considering my car is a NISSAN.

[Corbic]

the thing that is nice about my SR swap is that it installed.

and i can get parts from a company called NISSAN, thats kinda cool too... considering my car is a NISSAN.


Ok.

I think most of the haters are missing the point of the thread. The question was "why is the ls1 popular".

It was not "everyone needs and ls1" or "this is why the ls1 is better than the SR"

[driftsucky]

the thing that is nice about my SR swap is that i can get parts from a company called NISSAN, thats kinda cool too... considering my car is a NISSAN.

Yeah. Getting Nissan parts is a big consideration for people when getting parts. I remember getting parts for my Infiniti from Nissan too. Go figure.

[driftsucky]

The reasons an LS swap are so popular are pretty abundant but it pretty much goes like this.

Iron block motors start off as cheap entry fee into reliable big power. If you type in car-part.com you can find a shit ton of available LS variants in your region that you can pick up or have shipped to you with or without warranties from a huge pool of junkyards nationwide. There is more availability and search breadth on this one site than any importer could ever offer you stateside. They can be had complete starting for as little as $300 from an individual on craigslist. And, yes you can spend more off the bat to get more. That is NOT really an option with an imported JDM engine, where you pretty much get what you get without many variations.

LS1tech.com has, at any point in time, pretty much every single part you could ever want for sale secondhand. With how modular everything is you can upgrade component by component and take your new parts with you when you move up.



Truth. Mind was just blown. Didn't even know that existed.

[Cheesy Doriftos]

i wonder do these pro-SR guys understand that no matter what you say it's not gonna change the mind of pro-LS1 guys, and vice versa.

[NISR20MO]

i wonder do have these pro-SR guys understand that no matter what you say it's not gonna change the mind of pro-LS1 guys, and vice versa.

I wonder if anyone realizes that you don't have to be pro-LS1 or pro-SR, you can be PRO-"not a dickbag" and let someone else go their own route without slapping your dick on the table.

[ixfxi]

Yeah. Getting Nissan parts is a big consideration for people when getting parts. I remember getting parts for my Infiniti from Nissan too. Go figure.

Dude, you own an Infiniti? BALLER.

[driftsucky]

Dude, you own an Infiniti? BALLER.
I try not to make it big deal about it. I'm still a regular guy. Only difference is my identical parts cost twice as much and old white ladies think I'm adorable as opposed to being a menace..¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dis mofo using his GAT DERN phone. The internet on a PHONE NINJA? You must be. GAT DERN WIZARD!!!...using Tapatalk

[badbob2121]

LS Swaps are only for successful people with big dicks... LS Swaps aren't very popular on Zilvia.

'Murica

[simmode1]

Yeah they do but apparently it's really easy to do the FRF (Fixed Roof Fastback) conversion. Considering all the brake ducting, suspension and bad ass trans the Z06 have. I would go the Converted body rather than add power, braking, etc to a base. I have a t-top Z32 right now and never take them off, (I'm actually going to convert it to a slick top) so I would prefer a fixed roof car. I've personally never been a fan of convertibles.
Great points. Beats the hell out of all these crazy ass labor intensive engine swaps. Can me link me some info on the fixed roof fastback conversion? All i found was fixed roof coupe conversions when I searched. I want a targa so damn bad.

[R3b]

#JdmEnginesMatter

[fatduece]

I wonder if anyone realizes that you don't have to be pro-LS1 or pro-SR, you can be PRO-"not a dickbag" and let someone else go their own route without slapping your dick on the table.
It wont happen, not on my watch. Zilvia must remain the sanctuary for the elite. I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU SLACK JAW HICKS TO RUIN THE SCHASSIS:drama:

[2muchboost]

Haha ruin the s-chassis? Everyone thinking the can drift or slapping on 18x13 -40 with sparkle paint has ruined it. You haven't been around long enough to remember what it was about in the early 2000s and even before. Zilvia sanctuary for the elite......now I know for sure you are trolling.

[Corbic]

Haha ruin the as-chassis? Everyone thinking the can drift or slapping on 18x13 -40 with sparkle paint has ruined it. You haven't been around long enough to remember what it was about in the early 2000s and even before. Zilvia sanctuary for the elite......now I know for sure you are trolling.


Its self-esteem issues.

[Crazyced]

Ok.

I think most of the haters are missing the point of the thread. The question was "why is the ls1 popular".

It was not "everyone needs and ls1" or "this is why the ls1 is better than the SR"My only problem with it is that like many other things on online forums, it's tooted as a cheap alternative. It's clearly not. Or else it needs qualitative like "It's cheap if you want 500+ hp". That Vortec vs LS link is only one of many eye openers. Reality is, it's only 'cheap' if you manage to find one already swapped for a low price.

Anyone here want to share their actual price list to get an LS/Vortec into their stock 240?

For those of you who runs V8s I'd also like to know how the handling characteristics changed.

[Corbic]

It's clearly not. Or else it needs qualitative like "It's cheap if you want 500+ hp".
.


But that goes without say.

Why would you want a 700whp capable engine.... Only to run it at the stock 300hp power level.

If you are happy with a stock SR at 15psi of a SR with a GT28, the LS1 is not for you. End of story.

If you want 700whp... Do a spreadsheet SR build.

CD009 + Adapter = +$1,500 = T56
A built SR long block can exceed $6k if not $9k.

A VVL conversion kit is $1,700 + your short block + a VVL Head. Brian Crower 2.3 Stroker is $3,100 with shit sandwich H-beam rods. Crower I-beams are $750. Mahle Pistons are $560... So forth.

Stroker, Sleeved, VVL head, Cams, Valve Springs, Solid Lifters, etc.

This is then the "Okay, I spent $9k swapping an LS and I spent $9k building a SR"

Now a bearing spins, rod snaps, piston cracks, oil pump grenades, etc.

You can replace your LS short block for cheap. You can't replace your trashed built SR for cheap.

[Corbic]

Another way to look at it is investment/risk.


In any high power engine the risk is to the engine and transmission.

With an LS, the majority of the cost is in the actual conversion. Mounts, accessories, headers, intake, drive shaft.

The short block is rather affordable and dirt cheap if iron.

With a High Power SR, the conversion is cheap. The Long-block becomes the expensive point as you replace everything with aftermarket components.

[Crazyced]

But that goes without say.

Why would you want a 700whp capable engine.... Only to run it at the stock 300hp power level.

If you are happy with a stock SR at 15psi of a SR with a GT28, the LS1 is not for you. End of story.

If you want 700whp... Do a spreadsheet SR build.

CD009 + Adapter = +$1,500 = T56
A built SR long block can exceed $6k if not $9k.

A VVL conversion kit is $1,700 + your short block + a VVL Head. Brian Crower 2.3 Stroker is $3,100 with shit sandwich H-beam rods. Crower I-beams are $750. Mahle Pistons are $560... So forth.

Stroker, Sleeved, VVL head, Cams, Valve Springs, Solid Lifters, etc.

This is then the "Okay, I spent $9k swapping an LS and I spent $9k building and SR"

Now a bearing spins, rod snaps, piston cracks, oil pump grenades, etc.

You can replace your LS short block for cheap. You can't replace your trashed built SR for cheap.My point is that "People do LSx swap because it's cheaper" simply does not convey what you just said here. I could very easily see someone reading the 1st few pages and getting the idea that swapping a bolt on, 300+whp LSx is a cheap alternative to the SR.

Just wanted to clear this up.

[Corbic]

My point is that "People swap do LSx swap because it's cheaper" simply does not convey what you just said here. I could very easily see someone reading the 1st few pages and getting the idea that swapping a bolt on, 300+whp LSx is a cheap alternative to the SR.



Just wanted to clear this up.


Shame on them.

An NA swap is going to cost you $5-6k depending on how frugal you are.

An SR, done similarly, would be around $4k anymore.

[Crazyced]

Shame on them.

An NA swap is going to cost you $5-6k depending on how frugal you are.

An SR, done similarly, would be around $4k anymore.

How's the handling with the LS up front? Do you track your car?

[Corbic]

How's the handling with the LS up front? Do you track your car?


How's the handling on a RB25 or 2JZ?

[kashira kureijii]

Aren't rb and LS both like only 50 ibs heavier than a KA?
I don't think it messes with it that much from what i've looked at,

The only engines that's gonna win lightness points are SR and CA, as they were the proper engines for the cars original balance and shit, they are also a lot lighter.

[NISR20MO]

Shame on them.

An NA swap is going to cost you $5-6k depending on how frugal you are.

An SR, done similarly, would be around $4k anymore.

I would be impressed if someone pulled off a reliable swap into a 240sx for that kind of money. While I think it is possible, it would definitely be a very basic swap at that price point.

T56
clutch and hydraulics
wiring
tuning
engine (+ intake/fuel rail/tb/injectors/accessory drive if from a truck)
engine mods?
starter
driveshaft
mount kit
fuel system
headers and exhaust
oil pan (or subframe notching)
radiator and fans
etc.

Aren't rb and LS both like only 50 ibs heavier than a KA?
I don't think it messes with it that much from what i've looked at,

The only engines that's gonna win lightness points are SR and CA, as they were the proper engines for the cars original balance and shit, they are also a lot lighter.

An aluminum LS1 swap with T56 and longtube headers weighs about as much as a top mount turbo'd SR w/ supporting intercooler and schedule tubing turbo manifold.

RB and JZ use iron blocks and are heavier.

[Corbic]

Aren't rb and LS both like only 50 ibs heavier than a KA?




2JZ, Iron Block, 494lbs Engine

LS1 (aluminum block) with 70lb flywheel, 497lbs

LM7 (iron block) with 16lb flex plate, 518lbs

LS factory engines have massive flywheels.

LS Iron vs Aluminum is a 70lb difference.

I'm not wasting my time looking up SR and KA weight.

[NISR20MO]

My only problem with it is that like many other things on online forums, it's tooted as a cheap alternative. It's clearly not. Or else it needs qualitative like "It's cheap if you want 500+ hp". That Vortec vs LS link is only one of many eye openers. Reality is, it's only 'cheap' if you manage to find one already swapped for a low price.

Anyone here want to share their actual price list to get an LS/Vortec into their stock 240?

For those of you who runs V8s I'd also like to know how the handling characteristics changed.

10k is a pretty comfortable budget for a reliable aluminum block swap featuring proper supporting mods. You might save 1-1.5k to go iron block instead. Couldn't tell you much about handling as mine isn't running yet and when it does my suspension is way far from stock or stock-ish.

[kashira kureijii]

2JZ, Iron Block, 494lbs Engine

LS1 (aluminum block) with 70lb flywheel, 497lbs

LM7 (iron block) with 16lb flex plate, 518lbs

LS factory engines have massive flywheels.

LS Iron vs Aluminum is a 70lb difference.

I'm not wasting my time looking up SR and KA weight.

well just so the info is there, as I often get into arguments about this with my LS fanboy of a cousin,
according to a quick google search (drifting.com apparently)
Ka24de :388 ibs

Sr20det: 328 ibs

CA18det: 282 ibs (which may be wrong, as I thought ca's were cast iron block)

RB25det : 667 ibs w/trans, 500ish ibs without (which must be with transmission, and as I was lifting an rb trans a few days ago, I'd say its about 100 something pounds) like

[Corbic]

^

So 100lbs more than a 4-banger and the same as an I6.

Shock to No-One

[Jorgs_7]

All these weights put out there are internet hear say, rif-raf B.S. to me.

No one has photos, everyone speculates and approximates.

I want real dry weight, with transmissions bolted up, right before install. Add intercoolers later.

Love to see EXACTLY what:

KA-T
SR20DET
LS1 T56
LM7 T56
2JZ R154
RB25

[Crazyced]

How's the handling on a RB25 or 2JZ?
Wouldn't know. I'm not arguing, I'm asking.

[Corbic]

All these weights put out there are internet hear say, rif-raf B.S. to me.






Except they are not.

Plenty of guys have weighted these engines. There are a few good lists as well.

The transmission should always be separate since that can very greatly.

No one includes FMIC as well. It's long blocks. Head, Block, accessories and flywheel. This is why I specified the massive weight of a OEM flywheel and the light weight of the flex plate.

[Corbic]

Wouldn't know. I'm not arguing, I'm asking.


For a street car, absolutely fucking unnoticeable.

[Jorgs_7]

Except they are not.

Plenty of guys have weighted these engines. There are a few good lists as well.




Please inform me of reliable lists (not arguing, just want legit numbers). Plz dont say google

Ive spent some time digging into weights of engines. Never consistant

Dont really see the point in excluding transmissions.

[kashira kureijii]

I'm sure that you could just assume that in general v8's and I6's weigh more, how much more is always gonna vary because each individual engine camp is gonna cheat on their numbers. Weight the engines without some stuff or with some stuff etc.

This weight argument is easy to settle though, I4's weigh less, regardless of how much less is irrelevant, they do weigh less. There's not gonna be a general consensus on the weights, all of the engines are gonna have their strong and weak points, we don't need to bullshit about an LS weighing titanically less than all the other engines, it weighs around the same as the I6's. Its a relatively light engine for being a v8, thats it

[Jorgs_7]

I'm sure that you could just assume that in general v8's and I6's weigh more,

I4's weigh less,

ORLY? Thx no one had a clue

[kashira kureijii]

ORLY? Thx no one had a clue

glad I could clear that up 4 u :fawkd:

[badbob2121]

Think about it..Go to your local parts store and ask them for misc parts for your RB or SR. See what they have in stock and how long it will take them to get what you need.... exacty.

Now ask them about parts for your LS. You will have anything you need either in stock, at another near by location, or will be there the next day... including internals.

Now think engine builders, I can drop off my LS at 20 local machine shops, parts will be on hand, and I will have a finished product in 72 hours or less. Go ask your local machine shop about how many Chevy 350's they have done.... then ask about RB's and SR's... exactly.

From a competitive standpoint, this is a big advantage.

[STR8 H8N]

ls swaps are a horrible idea

[curtdragon]

At the expense of everyone else hating you and the police tailing you. Especially in today's world where cars are shifting more and more in the direction of quiet and efficient, and people look at you as the enemy of the environment.
Attitudes toward cars have changed completely in the past couple of decades. People used to see a loud flashy car and think, "how cool," now it is, "what a tool." And I agree with them.

Plus quiet car equals more street drifting time before your neighbor calls the police on you for destroying the cul-de-sac.

No cars were cool for everyone when no one had them. Once they were easily obtained the direction has moved towards that of mass production and for people who buy cars solely to get around. That does not apply to us. We love cars for cars, big hunks of shiny metal that go fast and loud but not loud just to be loud. But to each his own. PS loud doesn't = great sounding

[kashira kureijii]

Think about it..Go to your local parts store and ask them for misc parts for your RB or SR. See what they have in stock and how long it will take them to get what you need.... exacty.

Now ask them about parts for your LS. You will have anything you need either in stock, at another near by location, or will be there the next day... including internals.

Now think engine builders, I can drop off my LS at 20 local machine shops, parts will be on hand, and I will have a finished product in 72 hours or less. Go ask your local machine shop about how many Chevy 350's they have done.... then ask about RB's and SR's... exactly.

From a competitive standpoint, this is a big advantage.

Who the hell has someone else build their engine anyway tho ?
Engine building is like the funnest part.
Cars aren't just about functioning easily all the time

You can get like oil filters and shit for sr rb etc at oreilly's .

anyway, its not like its hard to go online and buy parts..... especially in something thats a fun car

[Corbic]

Who the hell has someone else build their engine anyway tho ?




He is referencing machine work. I doubt you can bore a block, shit peen rods and deck heads in your garage. Tolerances and dimensions are very important and there are lots of incompetent machine shops out there.

It's easy to drop a LS block off and tell try guy what your doing. With odd-ball imports you are going to have to bring him the numbers. Many times you maybe relying on the Internet and hearsay for those numbers.

[Matej]

shit peen rods
Guffaw.
Good one, sir.

[ixfxi]

The only engines that's gonna win lightness points are SR and CA, as they were the proper engines for the cars original balance and shit, they are also a lot lighter.

plus they say NISSAN on them, which as we all know is of utmost importance


but here's the kicker. why do so many people want all that HP? nothing wrong with lots of power, but isnt 300hp enough? i've always felt so.

so lets use the dick comparison as a rule of measure. it appears that most car guys as of recent, are highly infatuated with having an 12 inch loaf (ie: 500+ hp). i think a lot of you have forgotten what it means to be a good driver and using what you have. i have a normal sized loaf. i am a happy individual. my mate is not complaining, and if she would she can hit the road, find lexington steele and i'll go my separate ways looking for a girl who wants a normal sized loaf.

seems there is a lot of underlying insecurity when it comes to cars and loafs. if you ask me, i think our cars feel GREAT with anywhere from 200-300 hp. but what do i know, afterall... i am not the great corbic, the all-knowing.

[240KA]

https://video-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpt1/v/t42.1790-2/12127643_765456356893008_1774447404_n.mp4?efg=eyJy bHIiOjMzOCwicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoidjJfND I2X2NyZl8yM19tYWluXzMuMF9zZCJ9&rl=338&vabr=188&oh=377aadade87da0af896a71fa89c3d4a2&oe=56399B0E


kill yourselves you one-dimensional-narrow-minded jdm bafoons

[Corbic]

seems there is a lot of underlying insecurity when it comes to cars and loafs. if you ask me, i think our cars feel GREAT with anywhere from 200-300 hp. but what do i know, afterall... i am not the great corbic, the all-knowing.


Well when your Mom has a bigger loaf driving her 300hp Camry.....

[zombiewolf513]

https://video-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpt1/v/t42.1790-2/12127643_765456356893008_1774447404_n.mp4?efg=eyJy bHIiOjMzOCwicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoidjJfND I2X2NyZl8yM19tYWluXzMuMF9zZCJ9&rl=338&vabr=188&oh=377aadade87da0af896a71fa89c3d4a2&oe=56399B0E


kill yourselves you one-dimensional-narrow-minded jdm bafoons

:eek:

If the car had no body panels it would look like a test stand

[Matej]

Well when your Mom has a bigger loaf driving her 300hp Camry.....
Horsepower does not really mean anything anymore unless it is noticeably lacking. The people who buy cars based on power figures are dying out. The only reason generic new cars have 300+hp is for a smoother power delivery, so the average driver does not notice that they have to stomp the pedal to increase speed going uphill. Most of the time these 300hp engines are electronically governed to the point where they perform like a 150hp engine in a generic 90's car under regular driving conditions.
A fun chassis will be fun with 200hp or 700hp. A Camry will be fun never.

Plus everyone knows the size of your womanhood is directly proportional not to horsepower but to how high your truck is lifted.

[zeitgeist]

Who the hell has someone else build their engine anyway tho ?
Engine building is like the funnest part.
Cars aren't just about functioning easily all the time


Those of us with a profession. You're 19 with no responsibilities and all the time in the world
I want my vehicle to function easy ALL the time. To hell with having an unreliable car.

[ixfxi]

Well when your Mom has a bigger loaf driving her 300hp Camry.....

matej hit the nail on the head...

the bottom line is that there are more important factors instead of peak power output. how well a car puts down and actually utilizes X amount of power is more important than just some big number that is dumbed down by computers, their sensors, and excessive weight. not to mention the front wheel drive open diff aspect.

thats why we own these cars. its the combination of light weight with proper power delivery. and im not saying the LS wont do it, its proven to do so and legally at that. but, once you start modifying the LS, then you open another can of worms on how legal IS IT? back to where we started. proof that even with a much more powerful LS, people always want more.

a customer called me up the other day saying that his McLaren 12c was not... fast. in comparison to his previous car, MKIV Supra w/ around 700hp. and i believe him, but... how far do we need to go to be happy? clearly... mclaren 12c isnt enough!!! haha 30-inch dick crew in the house

[zeitgeist]

It's human nature to constantly want more and never be satisfied

[kashira kureijii]

Those of us with a profession. You're 19 with no responsibilities and all the time in the world
I want my vehicle to function easy ALL the time. To hell with having an unreliable car.

maybe your just old? I have a job and school, these count as responsibilities. I'm sorry your baby's momma prevents you from being a true enthusiast.

It doesn't take that long to build an engine bruh, you buy parts, put them in, and then put the engine in. If you have all the parts, you could litrerally do it on a holiday etc. No excuses man

[Corbic]

maybe your just old? I have a job and school, these count as responsibilities. I'm sorry your baby's momma prevents you from being a true enthusiast.



It doesn't take that long to build an engine bruh, you buy parts, put them in, and then put the engine in. If you have all the parts, you could litrerally do it on a holiday etc. No excuses man


Except that whole "machine work" bit.

But you know, engine machine work isn't really important.

[2muchboost]

^^Trust me dude he has a point. It doesnt take away from being an enthusiast but as you grow and responsibilities change you dont want to blow up your motor every other month and have the car down. The point is to keep building something by improving parts at this point. Not to burst your bubble but a job and school are only a small part of responsibilities when you grow up. I felt the same way as you when I was 19 but being 31 things change. Shit, my own business alone prevents me from working on the car as much as I would love to.

Rebuilding a motor isnt usually that straight forward. When you mess up internals its usually time for some machining which 99.9% of people cant do at home. And even if you can by the time you rebuild your motor 4-5 times the cost alone would have allowed you to upgrade to a more stout setup that wont need to be rebuilt every other month. People always think short terms so spend 1/2 the cost now but spend 3x the cost over the next year or two. There is a reason people are proud of power on a completely stock internal setup.

Thank you for this thread OP it has been most entertaining to see what this culture has become.

[kashira kureijii]

Except that whole "machine work" bit.

But you know, engine machine work isn't really important.

I didn't mean machine work, obviously you can't do that in ur garage, I meant the whole "have a car shop build your entire car for you" type attitude, but I may be misinterpreting what was meant

I suppose I'll back off about it as I am not in the same position as you guys, so I really don't know

[10psitx]

maybe your just old? I have a job and school, these count as responsibilities. I'm sorry your baby's momma prevents you from being a true enthusiast.

It doesn't take that long to build an engine bruh, you buy parts, put them in, and then put the engine in. If you have all the parts, you could litrerally do it on a holiday etc. No excuses man

This might be true if you have no machine shop work and not actually rebuilding the engine but just"basic re-fresh" as some put it...you can definitely remove and replace parts and reinstall the engine in that time frame.

On the other hand if you are really Re-building an engine, and possess the proper tools, need some machine work, and have the knowledge to weigh, verify tolerances, match porting etc...you know.... BUILD AN ENGINE, it will take more than a holiday weekend to complete...your reply demonstrates lack of experience of building an engine...unless ....you are part of the NHRA family....are you?

[driftsucky]

I didn't mean machine work, obviously you can't do that in ur garage, I meant the whole "have a car shop build your entire car for you" type attitude, but I may be misinterpreting what was meant

I suppose I'll back off about it as I am not in the same position as you guys, so I really don't know

19 w/ work and school is way different than 30+ with a profession and family. However, at 19, you should have neither. So, enjoy that shit. It gets a lot harder to carve out enough time to build an engine the further along you go. And honestly (I may be talking for myself only), I don't WANT to build an engine. My buddy Edafe has been "building" a car for about 4 years. I have plenty of friends that are in the same boat. I'm nowhere near "drop off at shop with a blank check" build, but I'm past the "wrench until 4 in the morning, wash, go to work, develop issue, call buddy for a ride, rinse, repeat" stage.

Apparently, there's a middle part of life where you just DO that. Then, you get old and retired and don't care about time and you teach your grandkids how to replace a pinion seal or something...or at least that's what I gather from old timers. So, wrench on EVERYTHING, wrench on some stuff, WRENCH ON EVERYTHING that you can with your brittle fingers. :)

Holiday weekend time is drop in an engine. Not build one. lol

[curtdragon]

Maybe wrenching is fun but def not rebuilding shit that breaks for no reason... been there done that...

That's why have a daily driver and then you have your play car. You can build it yourself or you can have it done. I personally love the driving over the building for sure. There are other things right now that or better used for my time, like I said the actual driving of the car...


Now to the topic at hand, with any motor if it's not being manufactured anymore which the SR20 hasnt since 2002 then of course you're gonna have a lot less support than a motor that is in dozens of car today.

[kashira kureijii]

I'm pretty sure with pistons, crank and all the appropriate gaskets ready, you could do it in a holiday weekend, but I see where everyone is coming from on this. Basic rebuild with like lapping the valves and replacing the gaskets, putting stuff back together, can be done in a holiday, but something very precise like a meticulously balanced stroker build with all sorts of other variables in play, with machine work would take more time.
I can see where if you had a lot of other obligations you wouldn't really feel like it. I've really only built one engine with myself and some help, and have helped others do so. I suppose without help it would take quite a bit longer.

[ixfxi]

I'm pretty sure with pistons, crank and all the appropriate gaskets ready, you could do it in a holiday weekend, but I see where everyone is coming from on this. Basic rebuild with like lapping the valves and replacing the gaskets, putting stuff back together, can be done in a holiday, but something very precise like a meticulously balanced stroker build with all sorts of other variables in play, with machine work would take more time.
I can see where if you had a lot of other obligations you wouldn't really feel like it. I've really only built one engine with myself and some help, and have helped others do so. I suppose without help it would take quite a bit longer.

i have a partially rebuilt SR sitting here that i've been contemplating what to do. its a spare motor, head is fully rebuilt. the block needs to be serviced and i am looking to do it with OEM parts, not some high HP build or anything.

i've been holding onto this for maybe 5-6 months now. fact is, it takes more than a weekend or two... and its going to include cash, a fair amount of it.

so yeah, you're underestimating the time, money and/or skill required to rebuild an engine (properly).

[zeitgeist]

maybe your just old? I have a job and school, these count as responsibilities. I'm sorry your baby's momma prevents you from being a true enthusiast.

It doesn't take that long to build an engine bruh, you buy parts, put them in, and then put the engine in. If you have all the parts, you could litrerally do it on a holiday etc. No excuses man

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH.

I knew you were going to come back with a school and job. Wait until you grow up. As much as i like working on my car youll soon find out how much more there is to your small and limited world. There's a reason why all the older guys here agree. Weve all been where you are and done that. Besides if if werent for "old" guys like me, there wouldnt be these badass shops that design all these parts for you to buy.
And my profession isnt vehicles so it would take me 10 times the time it would take for a professional car buiilder to complete what i need. Btw im only 27

[kashira kureijii]

IN A PERFECT WORLD WITH EVERY SINGLE PART NECESSARY PRESENT, ALL MACHINE WORK DONE, AND THE PROPER SETUP, YOU COULD BUILD ONE ON HOLIDAY

Alright jeez I yield
resume old guard activities, and arguing about LS motors on a Nissan forum,

I don't wanna go up against everyone who knows more because it won't end well 4 me

[KAT-PWR]

i have a partially rebuilt SR sitting here that i've been contemplating what to do. its a spare motor, head is fully rebuilt. the block needs to be serviced and i am looking to do it with OEM parts, not some high HP build or anything.

i've been holding onto this for maybe 5-6 months now. fact is, it takes more than a weekend or two... and its going to include cash, a fair amount of it.

so yeah, you're underestimating the time, money and/or skill required to rebuild an engine (properly).

It took me 2 full days to assemble my current KA with all the machine work having been done (rings filed) and an FSM at 17 with limited guidance, in a shop with all tools present.
If you take the time to properly prepare, everything can go fairly quickly if you don't dilly dally.
Now this is strictly building the engine.
Not including pulling, tear down, machine shop(most often the largest chunk of time), rebuild, install, running.
I didn't really read the other posts, so i'm not sure entirely what the discussion is...

[JM216S14]

http://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/3539391.jpg

[derek king]

You guys know some real good info. Probably should post this thread to Wikipedia.

[dbeiler]

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae27/davidibeiler/12195855_10153102574896160_7336964069482674302_n_z pstyzpttaf.jpg (http://s954.photobucket.com/user/davidibeiler/media/12195855_10153102574896160_7336964069482674302_n_z pstyzpttaf.jpg.html)

[Kingtal0n]

An engine needs to go together as quick as possible to reduce the amount of time it is open to the atmosphere.