2015 S chassis inflation on the west side

[Loomis112]

Well just sold my car have a 4k budget and it seems that "drift tax" is a thing again...great.

In Portland, LA, Seattle, etc (places that are 10-12+ hours away) people are askibg stupid prices for their POS.

I'm in the market for an s14 for example and some kid wants $3200 for a car that doesn't even have wheels. He literally says "must bring your own battery and wheels" $3200 firm with 206k miles. It looks like sh*t and nowhere else on the west coast seems to be better.

People want like 4-5k for their auto non clear coated fuck boi-mobile


This is why I wish I didn't love the S chassis anymore.

Kay im done.

[DirtDeekler]

I know what you mean. Literally just looked on portland craigslist and saw a stock auto s13 hatch for 15,000.

[Ilya]

I, once too, didn't have money for what I wanted.

[Cash]

Why not look somewhere else and pay around $600 to have it delivered to you? I see running S14s for sale around Atlanta for $2000+. Expect to have to do at least a little work if you buy an S14 for under $4k though.

[EDacIouSX]

honestly 3200 for any kind of a car is going to get you a $3200 car... what do you expect for that price?

[iJDM]

I regret to inform you that drift tax hasn't only claimed the west coast lol

Almost everything on this side is the same way... not a whole lot you can do about it, unfortunately. And I don't see it getting any better anytime soon with all the s chassis I see put into walls

All you can do is try to keep checking all for sale ads, and be patient. Whatever you do, don't get too impatient and overpay just because you're tired of looking

You should be able to get a decent zenki in your price range. I still see some stock ones daily driven around me. If you see one on the street, don't be afraid to ask. I've purchased cars by doing that before. Doesn't hurt to ask.

[aymaeid]

so if you had a clean s14 for sale you would price it below market value? i don't understand why you are complaining. Every 240sx i have sold over the last 5 years was sold above my asking price. There is clearly a demand, there is obviously not enough supply, don't like it? buy a civic. Those "overpriced" 240s will still sell, they usually do. So are they actually overpriced or priced just right for their market? either way if i wanted another s14 today i would save up real money, not 3200. 3200 is beater money. and that's what you'll get, no tires, no battery and a fuckload of rust. be reasonable, save appropriately, have patience, and you'll get what you want. If you cant do that then civic.

also, drift tax is the fukboi way of saying "i dont understand simple economics" - these cars are hard to find. things that are hard to find tend to hold/ increase in value, tires on or not.

[Quail]

I don't think it's neccesarily drift-tax, but more the fact that as these cars age, good ones are becoming harder to find (you can thank bad drifters and born-again ricers for this).

Same thing happening in this part of the world.

[dizzariot]

The last two posts sum it up: $3200 is going to buy you a shitbox no matter what.

Drift tax is paying for a heavily modified car with shitty parts, paint, and execution.

Inflation is paying for a clean car because the 'drift tax' guys are fucking up all the clean candidates.

[ZaK687]

Good example, a friend of mine bought a red coupe with mismatched panels and a clean title. It had some basic upgrades like a radiator, 5lug , welded diff and a racing seat. Didn't ad much to it past a matte black rattle can paint job and a b&m shifter and sold it for not much more than he bought it for. 5 months later, the car has been through 5 owners , each one fucking it up more and more and now it's up for sale for 4k with a salvage title and it barely runs. SMH

[tayloray]

Drift tax is just insane at this point.

I just bought a running and driving 2003 G35 sedan 6MT with a/c and everything, seats are torn to shreds and theres a small dent on the front fender but I got it for $2300 because who thinks of g35 sedans as drift cars? Shit you couldn't find a stock KA S13 5 speed in the same condition for that price.

It is what it is though. Supply and demand.

[simmode1]

^^^This is a smart fucking guy.

[RalliartRsX]

Here is a perfect example right here of "drift tax".

Exhibit 1

S14 w/ S15 front end, Turbo KA (horribly done as well), a FMU to control fuel (ticking time bomb), shoddy wiring, cheap gauges that are seeming not mounted correctly, stretched tires, "Stance", Ebay clutch, Ebay radiator, fans, etc. Ebay everything else, a new "paint job", No radio, Rust on the floor pan, no heat, hacked up dash harness, shitty weld job with hood exit exhaust............and for the finale, the fuel filler neck moved to the trunk!!!! And asking 10K

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

NJ S14 for sale (http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=607080)

Exhibit 2

S14 w/ S15 front end (done correctly), built by ASE certified son and dad, SR20, refreshed engine, GT28R turbo, RPF1s, 300ZX brakes, bucket seats, new paint, HIDs, receipts, single owner, Jesus the list is ENDLESS with quality worksmanship!! Asking for 10K!!

:2f2f::2f2f::2f2f::2f2f:

Properly done S14 (http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=608735)


Drift tax and idiots are real. And its ridiculous how many people are nutt swinging the first example :(.

[turbo2nr]

^ perfect example

[ZenkiKid]

Dude sounds like he wants a clean low mileage 5 speed s14 for $4k.

Youd have better luck finding an s13 for that price. Its simple supply and demand man.

Besides, I dont think there weren't as many s14s made compared to s13s, hence the price.

[spooled240]

^ I don't think it's so much that clean cars aren't cheap, but rather that the shitty cars are expensive

[Kingtal0n]

Well here in florida where none of our cars rust I cant give my stock 98' away for 4300.

I am going to have to take 4000 or less for it (3800). its been 8 months and those are the two highest (serious) offers I get.

Oh and never mind its got the best frame rail I have ever seen on a 240. But nobody cares- "wahts a frame rail" LOL

[feito]

^same thing happening here in TX. U still find pretty decent deals on stockers, yet they take forever to sell. I cant imagine trying to sell a fully built and done right car (over $10k).... Lots of over priced buckets and missiles but those never sale lol. It's like people just dont have money in general.

[Cash]

Exactly what I'm talking about, Kingtal0n. This guy should buy your car and pay the $500-600 to transport it over to him on an open car hauler. He'll be $1,000 over his budget, but he'll have a car apparently worth a lot more than he paid where he's from.

[Ralo]

Can anyone enlighten me on the whole car transport ordeal, the steps and how it works? I have an idea but not entirely sure.

[Almighty So]

Drift tax is paying for a heavily modified car with shitty parts, paint, and execution.

Inflation is paying for a clean car because the 'drift tax' guys are fucking up all the clean candidates.


Oh and never mind its got the best frame rail I have ever seen on a 240. But nobody cares- "wahts a frame rail" LOL

nail on the head.
it's not even drift tax anymore. There are two sub-communities forming. The enthusiasts and the hoonigans. You won't find an enthusiast car with a hoonigan price tag.

but yeah if you think the west coast is bad, scope the midwest CL listings.
We search your CL just to dream sometimes.

[Kingtal0n]

Can anyone enlighten me on the whole car transport ordeal, the steps and how it works? I have an idea but not entirely sure.

Ive shipped a few cars. Usually I google "car transport quote" and there are hundreds of websites dedicated to giving you quotes from multiple companies.

And they are serious, you will get 50 calls within 10 minutes trying to get you to ship your car. Just pick the lowest flat-bed rate.


There are two sub-communities forming. The enthusiasts and the hoonigans. You won't find an enthusiast car with a hoonigan price tag.


Right, and a problem is that most folks looking for a 240sx cannot tell the good from the bad. They lack the education of technicians, the experience of true enthusiasts. Its those people that ask why the drivers door panel on a 240sx is torn. Or why I am asking more for a car with OEM suspension than the next guy with the 200 miles on a freshly rebuilt KA and megan coils. -.-

[japslapsilvia]

Right, and a problem is that most folks looking for a 240sx cannot tell the good from the bad. They lack the education of technicians, the experience of true enthusiasts. Its those people that ask why the drivers door panel on a 240sx is torn. Or why I am asking more for a car with OEM suspension than the next guy with the 200 miles on a freshly rebuilt KA and megan coils. -.-

QFT.....msglenght

[Loomis112]

Exactly what I'm talking about, Kingtal0n. This guy should buy your car and pay the $500-600 to transport it over to him on an open car hauler. He'll be $1,000 over his budget, but he'll have a car apparently worth a lot more than he paid where he's from.


I'm probably gonna look into how to get a car shipped.

Has anyone here done it before with ought buying the car in person?


I assume it takes the ability to trust someone.

I'm not looking for some super clean great deal on an s14 Im looking for a driveable one that's not been smashed into the side of a cliff.

[1988montecarloss]

I'm probably gonna look into how to get a car shipped.

Has anyone here done it before with ought buying the car in person?


I assume it takes the ability to trust someone.

I'm not looking for some super clean great deal on an s14 Im looking for a driveable one that's not been smashed into the side of a cliff.

i have shipped a car but it was a car i already owned, i dont think i would trust most 240sx owners descriptions of their cars and buy one sight unseen, but you could always fly out to look at a car and drive it back if it wasnt a shitbox

and deals are out there but sometimes you have to wait before one pops up

[Loomis112]

i have shipped a car but it was a car i already owned, i dont think i would trust most 240sx owners descriptions of their cars and buy one sight unseen, but you could always fly out to look at a car and drive it back if it wasnt a shitbox

and deals are out there but sometimes you have to wait before one pops up

Yeah thats why I said I assume it takes the ability to trust someone because I don't think I trust a single person on craigslist.

[dorkidori_s13]

it simply boils down to this...

Clean 240sx = scarce = $$$ = increases in value
Beater/POS 240sx = majority = $ = decreases in value

ive noticed one major thing in the younger generation, they complain when anything is expensive. the vast majority of kids in the 240sx scene now only know chinese made knock offs, they only know a market flood with crap quality parts and they only know examples of cars for sale that are hunks of shit. the 240sx scene that i grew up with (and a few others still on zilvia) in during my late teens and early 20s had no issue saving their money for good parts and clean chassis (most of them were back then)... blowing $2000 on good coilovers was the norm, $700 for an exhaust system was the usual and $900 for an OE S15 turbo that will last longer than 6 months without exploding its own wheel was how the scene use to roll.

so instead of acknowledging a quality car anymore, the guys who only spend their money on cheap crap whip out the excuse of "drift tax". its really sad to see the scene having gone that way.

hell, on facebook about a year ago, some guy was selling a mint condition 98 kouki SE 5 spd with 40,000 miles on it... the only mods were KYB silver struts/shocks (OE replacements), Tanabe GF springs, a K&N Air filter (box filter, not conical), a new kenwood stereo and brand new speakers. the car literally looked like it rolled off the show room floor it was so clean! not to mention the guy was the original owner. he was asking $14,000 obo for it (which is 100% justifiable). only 1/3 of koukis produced were manual transmission, and only maybe 200-300 at most were manual in 98! (as there were only 5200~ koukis produced for 97-98) his thread was littered with kids going "that piece of shit is only worth $4000, talk about drift tax" or the ever so famous "oh my buddy has one for sale like that, just as clean, for $3500". its not only insulting that people do this, but offensive as well that the level of respect for other owners in our scene has dropped to zilch! that car was worth every penny the guy was asking for it as it was one of the last examples of a 240sx that was well taken care of and was never abused (the guy showed a pic of his receipt stack, it was huge).

point is, the 240sx in good condition or quality built condition is now becoming almost a collectors car rarity. the majority of cars in the scene are so poorly maintained now it makes me sad to see. there are still guys out there who love their cars and are trying really hard to build something clean and quality, but theyre few and far between. most kids have only known the "hoonigan" way of life and think thats how a 240sx is supposed to be...

[X9C]

A year ago I bought my s14 5spd clean title, 158xxx miles, minimal rust(battery tray), xxr's, lowering springs, and hks hi power, for 3250.

I didn't care for the xxr's, or lowering springs, but they were worth money and I sold them. Keep hunting, be patient, you'll find a deal.

[izzy-]

I found s13 with mint interior, and 7/10 exterior. All one paint color, and from the 3rd owner.(Older guy in his late 30s)

I got quoted $500 to fix all the rust, and found a manual swap for $250. I bought the car for $1800.

I was bumed at first, but reading this thread, and looking at other s13s in the $2.5k mark in the midwest, im happy with the purchase. Could be worse.

[drftfan]

I bought my 95 Zenki for $3900. 147,000 miles auto SE. No sunroof. And as proven today I guess I can in fact drift an auto (I never tried)
But that is not what mine is for. Just was screwing around. Was it worth $3900? Eh... maybe. Suspension was SHOT. Brakes need refurbishing and of course the dash is cracked with mismatched interior panels (green and black). For $3900 it was probably worth it for the lower mileage. Already swapped the suspension for a basic set of coilovers and the ties rods and front brakes have been replaced. Rears this next week. And the car now feels pretty solid.

[heychris]

Plain and simple....Like dori said above....pay for a clean example and stop bitching....

OR......buy a POS that has a good foundation (no rust, good frame) and put the wrench time in to make it nice.

Example: I bought my '95 s14 SE in 2008 for 3k....it had been involved in a minor accident....I've recently spent twice my purchase price on paint, body and new windows....Will I ever get that back?....Prolly not, but I'd like a nice car...

Ch


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[chancelton]

man maybe i should try to sell mine somewhere that isnt texas cuz i cant even get 5 for a well built s13 sr car

[Almighty So]

posted my hatch up recently in chicago cl.
had it listed with a semi reasonable but pretty high asking price hoping someone would lowball me close to my real value.
someone drove 9 hours from minnesota and paid the original asking price on the dime.

not sure if i just dealt with a one off buyer or if that's a true testament to the state of the midwest. you can decide.

[iJDM]

man maybe i should try to sell mine somewhere that isnt texas cuz i cant even get 5 for a well built s13 sr car

Come sell it in Maryland I sold my stock Sr s13 coupe for 6k, two days after posting :P

[Freddy]

Well here in florida where none of our cars rust I cant give my stock 98' away for 4300.

I am going to have to take 4000 or less for it (3800). its been 8 months and those are the two highest (serious) offers I get.

Oh and never mind its got the best frame rail I have ever seen on a 240. But nobody cares- "wahts a frame rail" LOL

WOOOW, That would got for at least 7000$ in canada. How much do 350z go for ?

[silviaks2nr]

Clean original cars are the same price as they were 10 years ago there are just less of them today. Buy something newer and better or don't complain.

[Skilz10179]

As already stated, these cars are really rare in the grand scheme of things. In the Detroit area with the exception of car shows or track events I literally might see 3-4 S13/S14's per year on the street if I'm lucky, I don't think I've seen a single S14 on the street in over a year.

[DespiseYou]

I think I just got lucky with my purchase or the seller was incredibly nice to me. But I purchased a 1991 s13 coupe with 300k miles, a rebuilt motor, and with pbm coilovers. The best part? It was in excellent condition. Bone stock, still 4 lug, original steering wheel, still had all the interior, back seats, UNCRACKED dash, basically all the oem stuff was still there. Did I mention it had a silvia k's front end that was color matched with the rest of the car? The best part of it all was that the seller was only asking $3,500 for it. To me, the price was justified and I didn't feel that the owner implanted drift tax in his asking price. He knew exactly what he had, a 24+ year old jap car.

The only reason you see drift tax is because people think they have a gem of a car. They think that it's a collectors car no matter what condition the car is in.

[dorkidori_s13]

meh, when i get off my ass and part with my S13 one day... im not taking any less than $15k for it. and thats not drift tax, its "this is a fully restored S13 that runs perfectly, is tuned correctly, is built using quality brand name parts and has 5+ years worth of restoration work done to it to make sure everything is exactly as it should be and not ghetto rigged together" tax.

and oh yes, people will bitch...

[Rustys14]

Come sell it in Maryland I sold my stock Sr s13 coupe for 6k, two days after posting :P

The DMV market is awesome right now lol. I recently got $4500 for my old beater coupe. Car was decent but was still just a single cam with some paint and the guy even let me keep the work wheels and 2-way that I had on the car. I just had it up as OBO or for trade and was surprised that there weren't really that many low ball offers. I did find it weird that I got higher offers for the car AFTER I tagged the wall at the track though...

I can't wait to see what I get for my reasonably clean hatch and two-tone whenever I decide to sell them. There are still deals to be had and its pretty easy to make a profit nowadays so I don't see why people are complaining.

[kashira kureijii]

damn, I got my 3 240's for the price of like one of those
1st one 89 manual $1000 out of a barn after it had been sitting for 10 years
2nd one 89 auto out of some cholos backyard for for $600
3rd one 92 auto out of some guys garage for $800
2nd and third I bought this year
Though I guess none of them worked when I bought them, but hey you can always work on them, thats the reason anyone buys these cars anyway
gotta watch CL like a hawk bruh

[beems240sx]

Just have to wait for the right owner. I picked up my s14 8 years ago bone stock for $3k. Then Last week a 93 hatch for $1500 super clean

[Almighty So]

^ true. i've had multiple bone stock 240s at extremely reasonable prices from Indiana of all places.

either gotta be patient or go get it.
or both.

and for the sake of discussion; much harder to find a clean 240 in major cities. gotta go somewhere no one has ever heard of.

also anyone else creeping chicago cl notice the couple dealership s chassis' popping up?
(obviously used car dealers and over priced, but hey, desperate times.)

[dontxploitme]

At least they're not as bad as 86's. Get an mr2.

[claaasssiiiccc21]

It all depends on the time of year. 240s are at their peak right now. Buy them in late October-February and they will be HALF the price.
The market is driven by dumbass high school kids spending mom's money.

The market has changed a LOT though. What I have noticed since I got into them in 2008.
Back then stock cars or non-perfect cars were dirt cheap. KA cars were nearly worthless. Swapped cars were expensive as hell. An SR'd S14 kouki would go for $12k+ and 2JZ or LS cars were $17k+ typically just under $20k.

Then in the middle period around early 2013 their values dropped like a rock. Stock cars started becoming more valuable and SR swaps became the new KA, RB and JZ swaps were the new SR, and V8 swaps took over the top swap from the 2JZ.

Now its the total opposite. Clean cars are hard to come by. Stock cars are overpriced. Built JZ/RB/ nice SRs are way underpriced.

2008: stock S13 KA car clean $2000, Built 2JZ S14 kouki $19,000
2015: stock S13 KA car rough $5,000, Built 2JZ S14 kouki <$13,000
Pretty sad. How messed up is it that the price of a NICE RB S14 is worth like $1500 more than a stock shit KA... sad.

[Almighty So]

it's not that they're worth less, there just isn't a market for $20,000 240sx's.

[RalliartRsX]

Here is a perfect example right here of "drift tax".

Exhibit 1

S14 w/ S15 front end, Turbo KA (horribly done as well), a FMU to control fuel (ticking time bomb), shoddy wiring, cheap gauges that are seeming not mounted correctly, stretched tires, "Stance", Ebay clutch, Ebay radiator, fans, etc. Ebay everything else, a new "paint job", No radio, Rust on the floor pan, no heat, hacked up dash harness, shitty weld job with hood exit exhaust............and for the finale, the fuel filler neck moved to the trunk!!!! And asking 10K

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

NJ S14 for sale (http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=607080)

Exhibit 2

S14 w/ S15 front end (done correctly), built by ASE certified son and dad, SR20, refreshed engine, GT28R turbo, RPF1s, 300ZX brakes, bucket seats, new paint, HIDs, receipts, single owner, Jesus the list is ENDLESS with quality worksmanship!! Asking for 10K!!

:2f2f::2f2f::2f2f::2f2f:

Properly done S14 (http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=608735)


Drift tax and idiots are real. And its ridiculous how many people are nutt swinging the first example :(.


The idiot with the first one just blew it up!! Hahahahahahahhah! 10K for a ticking time bomb!

[RalliartRsX]

It all depends on the time of year. 240s are at their peak right now. Buy them in late October-February and they will be HALF the price.
The market is driven by dumbass high school kids spending mom's money.

The market has changed a LOT though. What I have noticed since I got into them in 2008.
Back then stock cars or non-perfect cars were dirt cheap. KA cars were nearly worthless. Swapped cars were expensive as hell. An SR'd S14 kouki would go for $12k+ and 2JZ or LS cars were $17k+ typically just under $20k.

Then in the middle period around early 2013 their values dropped like a rock. Stock cars started becoming more valuable and SR swaps became the new KA, RB and JZ swaps were the new SR, and V8 swaps took over the top swap from the 2JZ.

Now its the total opposite. Clean cars are hard to come by. Stock cars are overpriced. Built JZ/RB/ nice SRs are way underpriced.

2008: stock S13 KA car clean $2000, Built 2JZ S14 kouki $19,000
2015: stock S13 KA car rough $5,000, Built 2JZ S14 kouki <$13,000
Pretty sad. How messed up is it that the price of a NICE RB S14 is worth like $1500 more than a stock shit KA... sad.


Also, 95% of those RB/JZ swap are put together terribly. Because of the avaibility of such swaps, anyone thinks they can throw together a swap and ask 19K. People are much wiser to pay 19K for a shit show RB/JZ swap.

Then the flip side, I remember Darius and his RB swapped S14 with almost 40K (receipts for EVERYTHING and it was one of the most well put together S14s in the past 10 years) in it couldn't fetch even half that!

[KiLLeR2001]

Stock cars sell because no one wants to buy someone else's project, they want to build their own. Only time I could see buying someone else's completely built 240sx is if its close to or exactly what the buyer wanted in terms of exterior / interior / engine etc.