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Hoffman5982

06-24-2015, 11:41 PM

LOL you sir do not have the 2015 Catalogue. And I assume you also don't know of their new PTFE -6+ crimp line to combat BMRS' new line? And if you are still on the blue hydraulic line, you have been living under a rock since 2010. But go on with your wood grain valve cover and google searching abilities, I'm sure you know where to find all the good stuff.

Wow, way to be an overbearing douche. You're right, it has been since about 2010 since that's how long my current Earl's line has lasted. I did, however, check their website and catalogs and couldn't find what you are referring to. You don't have to be an asshole when someone questions the legitimacy of the stuff they are considering spending their money on. You say it's crimped fittings, but those do not look like crimped hose ends. Please, by all means, prove me wrong. I'm not saying you're a liar and I'm right, I'm asking you to show me because no one has seen this so called new line. Try being less of a dick

JSimpson

06-25-2015, 12:54 AM

Wow, way to be an overbearing douche. You're right, it has been since about 2010 since that's how long my current Earl's line has lasted. I did, however, check their website and catalogs and couldn't find what you are referring to. You don't have to be an asshole when someone questions the legitimacy of the stuff they are considering spending their money on. You say it's crimped fittings, but those do not look like crimped hose ends. Please, by all means, prove me wrong. I'm not saying you're a liar and I'm right, I'm asking you to show me because no one has seen this so called new line. Try being less of a dick

I'm the douche? Says the guy who goes out of his way to be a dick on MY thread. You have nothing positive to say and you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground which is a bad combination. And good call, my 2009 Earls line (which is black) with the old school steel hose ends has lasted me just fine through many a mile. However, when I ONLY deal with Earls and BMRS materials and given I have plumbed more professional level racecars in the past 10 years than you have looked at through your computer screen, when some know-nothing zilvian comments telling me about what kind of materials I'm using, I'm going to reflect the tone.

I'm sure you did check for it, maybe you should look a little harder given only 2 Earl's distributors have it, and I'll give you a hint: One is in Indianapolis (ironic) and the other is in California. Also, no clue what you are talking about with the crimped line, where did I say it was crimped? Oh thats right, I didn't... Hence the part about Hydraulic line. Obviously my following sentence was talking about Earl's new FUEL LINE. I simply pointed out that Earl's has new FLEXIBLE (convoluted) PTFE hose in large sizes to combat the revolutionary new BMRS flexible crimp line that came out a few years ago, but since you don't seem to know a whole lot about performance plumbing, I'm sure you don't have the slightest clue what I'm talking about nor about BMRS plumbing.

Since you seem to be the curious type, I will give you a tidbit of info to ponder. Since you brought up crimping, I'm sure you know the difference of convoluted hose vs smooth bore hose, and how the downside of smooth bore is that it isn't flexible and will kink, and the downside of convoluted hose was the ability to crimp anything with high pressure. Well, a few years back BMRS came out with new convoluted PTFE line that kicked the shit out of Earl's 650 line because it didn't kink and could be bent much sharper yet still hold pressure. This is the new big thing for Earl's 2015 onward being able to compete with BMRS. That is all, however, completely unrelated to hydraulic line for PS.

You are right I do not need to be an asshole when someone questions the legitimacy the stuff they are considering spending their money on. I'm sure if you ask around to the 100+ people I've dealt with they will all tell you I am an extremely easy guy to get along with and go to great lengths to make sure people have what they need and I try to do it better than anyone else, however you sir are not here to spend money, you are here to bash, so please leave my thread if you have nothing constructive to say.

Hoffman5982

06-25-2015, 01:06 AM

I'm the douche? Says the guy who goes out of his way to be a dick on MY thread. You have nothing positive to say and you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground which is a bad combination. And good call, my 2009 Earls line (which is black) with the old school steel hose ends has lasted me just fine through many a mile. However, when I ONLY deal with Earls and BMRS materials and given I have plumbed more professional level racecars in the past 10 years than you have looked at through your computer screen, when some know-nothing zilvian comments telling me about what kind of materials I'm using, I'm going to reflect the tone.

I'm sure you did check for it, maybe you should look a little harder given only 2 Earl's distributors have it, and I'll give you a hint: One is in Indianapolis (ironic) and the other is in California. Also, no clue what you are talking about with the crimped line, where did I say it was crimped? Oh thats right, I didn't... Hence the part about Hydraulic line. Obviously my following sentence was talking about Earl's new FUEL LINE. I simply pointed out that Earl's has new FLEXIBLE (convoluted) PTFE hose in large sizes to combat the revolutionary new BMRS flexible crimp line that came out a few years ago, but since you don't seem to know a whole lot about performance plumbing, I'm sure you don't have the slightest clue what I'm talking about nor about BMRS plumbing.

Since you seem to be the curious type, I will give you a tidbit of info to ponder. Since you brought up crimping, I'm sure you know the difference of convoluted hose vs smooth bore hose, and how the downside of smooth bore is that it isn't flexible and will kink, and the downside of convoluted hose was the ability to crimp anything with high pressure. Well, a few years back BMRS came out with new convoluted PTFE line that kicked the shit out of Earl's 650 line because it didn't kink and could be bent much sharper yet still hold pressure. This is the new big thing for Earl's 2015 onward being able to compete with BMRS. That is all, however, completely unrelated to hydraulic line for PS.

You are right I do not need to be an asshole when someone questions the legitimacy the stuff they are considering spending their money on. I'm sure if you ask around to the 100+ people I've dealt with they will all tell you I am an extremely easy guy to get along with and go to great lengths to make sure people have what they need and I try to do it better than anyone else, however you sir are not here to spend money, you are here to bash, so please leave my thread if you have nothing constructive to say.

That was a very touching story, but you didn't really prove anything. I'm not here to bash. It was never my intention. To my knowledge, and the research(albeit short) I did in an attempt to educate myself on any new product that I was not aware of, this does not look like any Earl's POWER STEERING line that I have seen. You talk about your exclusive hookups, but it still does not prove a damn thing. Why would Earl's not list such a better looking product on their website? I hated the blue. I know of a lot of people who hated it. They could only benefit by listing it, so why wouldn't they? If they do have it listed, please share the link because I will be buying some new hose and re-doing my line. I don't care how great you think you are or how you claim to only use top of the line hoses. That literally means nothing to me. I'm asking about this product that you are selling, and I'm even more curious now that you have avoided proving its authenticity and instead have blown smoke up your own ass to fill your clearly overinflated ego.

I do still want proof, as I'm sure anyone else seeing this does too, but I have just one more question for you: Why do you hate America Mr. Simpson?

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i40/hoffman91/terror_zpsbeeolgrc.jpg
I don't think I have to point out the extremely clear evidence connecting you to one of America's most traumatic events in history. Did you sell this same line to the airline mechanics? Is that the true reason for the planes crashing? You are no longer fighting to prove me wrong, you are fighting to prove your innocence. Show everyone that this line is authentic Earl's

KiLLeR2001

06-25-2015, 01:11 AM

I'd be interested in the technical specifications of this line, if you have that information available.

JSimpson

06-25-2015, 11:15 PM

That was a very touching story, but you didn't really prove anything. I'm not here to bash. It was never my intention. To my knowledge, and the research(albeit short) I did in an attempt to educate myself on any new product that I was not aware of, this does not look like any Earl's POWER STEERING line that I have seen. You talk about your exclusive hookups, but it still does not prove a damn thing. Why would Earl's not list such a better looking product on their website? I hated the blue. I know of a lot of people who hated it. They could only benefit by listing it, so why wouldn't they? If they do have it listed, please share the link because I will be buying some new hose and re-doing my line. I don't care how great you think you are or how you claim to only use top of the line hoses. That literally means nothing to me. I'm asking about this product that you are selling, and I'm even more curious now that you have avoided proving its authenticity and instead have blown smoke up your own ass to fill your clearly overinflated ego.

I do still want proof, as I'm sure anyone else seeing this does too, but I have just one more question for you: Why do you hate America Mr. Simpson?

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i40/hoffman91/terror_zpsbeeolgrc.jpg
I don't think I have to point out the extremely clear evidence connecting you to one of America's most traumatic events in history. Did you sell this same line to the airline mechanics? Is that the true reason for the planes crashing? You are no longer fighting to prove me wrong, you are fighting to prove your innocence. Show everyone that this line is authentic Earl's

That has got to be the most immature and pathetic post I have ever witnessed in Zilvia history, which puts it high in the running for most pathetic and immature post worldwide. I'm sure your parents are very proud to have birthed such a standout individual as yourself. The only reason why I am replying to your idiotic post is for the information of everyone else interested in buying this top quality EARL's power steering kit.

I will preface this information with the fact that you are either really bad at doing research or are too big of an introverted coward to pick up a phone and speak to a human being. I'm sure you enjoy your nose rammed into your computer screen, however it is likely hindering your knowledge of the outside world.

What you and everyone has been waiting for:
EARL's Part Number: EAD 201-6 5/16 ID HYDRAULIC HOSE
Since you were touched by my previous story I will tell another. This may be tough for you to understand since you are not college educated, and may be even tougher for you to understand since you are from Florida... I need not elaborate.
Anyway, if you had went to college and gotten a business degree you would know a good bit about Supply Chain Management. The idea here is to focus on what you do best, and purchase your supplies from someone who specializes in that department.
Way back when, EARL's realized this and decided NOT to make their own hoses, but to get them from a supplier at a more competitive price. ALL Earl's hydraulic hose is supplied and manufactured by Parker Corporation. Yes this means the blue and black rolls of it that I have are BOTH made in the same factory, sold to Earl's, then Earl's slaps their part number on it, jacks up the price, and sends it off! So, sorry chief, your lack of knowledge has caused you great difficulty in finding the "elusive" black Earl's hydraulic line, looks like you'll have to settle for blue while my kits beautiful black hose attracts all the right attention... lucky for you that SICK wood grain valve cover will make up for it:keke:

Now for the last time, please leave my thread. You have junked it up beyond all recognition and I would like to restore the thread to its former glory before you graced the Zilvia population with your fatuous outbursts. I have given you the information you need, now please let this thread be.

My apologies for the delayed response, I had to drive to Nashville, TN to buy a spare SR20 today.

I'd be interested in the technical specifications of this line, if you have that information available.

Absolutely! The hose is rated at 2,200 pounds, burst is 4 times that.

Hoffman5982

06-25-2015, 11:36 PM

KiLLeR2001

06-25-2015, 11:53 PM

Absolutely! The hose is rated at 2,200 pounds, burst is 4 times that.

lolwut.

I asked for technical specifications not just max operating pressure and burst pressure...

I need to know the length, material construction, OD, min temp, max temp. Since this is 5/16" ID, would that mean -5 AN?

claaasssiiiccc21

06-26-2015, 12:00 AM

You really are getting a bit too upset by someone asking if this is genuine or not. You need to calm down, as I'm sure you've been placed on "the list", and angry outbursts such as the one you just posted may result in an unwanted visit by the FBI.

I have not attended college for Business, but I am currently attending college for an Engineering degree, not that that really matters here. You just felt the need to inflate your ego even further than you already have. I am not "from" Florida. I currently live here, but I was not raised here and do not plan to stay here. Again, that makes no difference to the topic at hand.

The problem I am having here is that you have basically confirmed that this is not genuine Earl's product, but rather product from the same source that Earl's buys their stuff from. Isn't that what a lot of knockoff companies are doing with coilovers and suspension components that are flooding this market? I searched your part number, and this thread is the only result pertaining to power steering hose. I could call someone, sure, but it is 1am and I simply feel that it isn't my responsibility to prove that you are being honest with your sale page.

I am not bashing, I am not trolling. I inserted the 9/11 joke in an attempt to lighten the mood as you are getting way too upset. I don't believe this is genuine and the people have a right to know if they are being mislead and, in turn, ripped off. You still have not provided any solid proof other than telling me my research is bad. Provide some links or something, because so far you have done jack shit other than talk highly of yourself.

I didn't find the 9/11 "joke" funny. Not surprised from a FaiL stater. I may be speaking for myself when I say this, but JSimpson has provided everything you need to know. I googled the part number and the 3rd result came up with the hose he was talking about. You look like the asshole here. He is very clearly proving the hose is genuine Earls. He gave you the part number of the hose, what else do you need without being deliberately stubborn? He even explained where Earl's as a company sources their hose from. From my 3 minutes of research I found that the hose is actually made in Germany and is industrial grade. Much like how the JDM companies get much of their stuff from Taiwan and China, yet market it as JDM. You need to realize that Holley (Earls) does not make any of this stuff, they simply source it out. All of their products are sourced from around the globe. Pretty cool though that this hose is German! I have one of the kits on my 2JZ and it works beautifully if you were curious.

Hoffman5982

06-26-2015, 12:12 AM

I didn't find the 9/11 "joke" funny. Not surprised from a FaiL stater. I may be speaking for myself when I say this, but JSimpson has provided everything you need to know. I googled the part number and the 3rd result came up with the hose he was talking about. You look like the asshole here. He is very clearly proving the hose is genuine Earls, he even explained where Earl's as a company sources their hose from. From my 3 minutes of research I found that the hose is actually made in Germany and is industrial grade. Much like how the JDM companies get much of their stuff from Taiwan and China, yet market it as JDM. You need to realize that Holley (Earls) does not make any of this stuff, they simply source it out. All of their products are sourced from around the globe. Pretty cool though that this hose is German! I have one of the kits on my 2JZ and it works beautifully if you were curious.

I see you're his buddy. Nice to not only insult me but to go into the other persons thread whos questioning him and insult their asking price. Pretty sad.

I have found the link advertising Parker hose. That proves nothing here, as he is claiming it is genuine Earl's hose. If it was genuine Earl's hose, it would say Earl's hose. It does not say Earl's hose. It may say Parker hose on it, but it does not say Earl's hose, meaning it is not genuine Earl's hose. I don't care if this is the same company that Earl's buys their hose from. There are plenty of knockoff coilover companies buying stuff from the same people that manufactures the bigger name brands coilovers, and their quality is noticeably worse.

I have done nothing but ask questions. My original question was in no way insulting, yet Jsimpson has been nothing but insulting with every single reply. I have every right to question the authenticity. You can't just announce that I'm not interested in buying and therefor deem my questions invalid. How the hell do you know if I were going to buy or not? Do you have a PHD in mind reading as well?

Edit: So we've determined the source of the hose, but what about the fittings? The 20-22 series fittings from Parker are not available in black, and the only fittings I can find, that look identical to the ones you have, are made by Fragola, which is quite a bit cheaper in quality than Earl's...

KiLLeR2001

06-26-2015, 12:17 AM

Nevermind, I did a little research and found what I was looking for. Thanks.

http://i.imgur.com/XVEpGLv.jpg

Hoffman5982

06-26-2015, 12:21 AM

^sad that you had to do that after JSimpson was repeatedly asked. He can type an autobiography about all of his success in life but can't provide a link that at least shows the hose is capable of handling power steering requirements.

claaasssiiiccc21

06-26-2015, 12:38 AM

I see you're his buddy. Nice to not only insult me but to go into the other persons thread whos questioning him and insult their asking price. Pretty sad.

I have found the link advertising Parker hose. That proves nothing here, as he is claiming it is genuine Earl's hose. If it was genuine Earl's hose, it would say Earl's hose. It does not say Earl's hose. It may say Parker hose on it, but it does not say Earl's hose, meaning it is not genuine Earl's hose. I don't care if this is the same company that Earl's buys their hose from. There are plenty of knockoff coilover companies buying stuff from the same people that manufactures the bigger name brands coilovers, and their quality is noticeably worse.

I have done nothing but ask questions. My original question was in no way insulting, yet Jsimpson has been nothing but insulting with every single reply. I have every right to question the authenticity. You can't just announce that I'm not interested in buying and therefor deem my questions invalid. How the hell do you know if I were going to buy or not? Do you have a PHD in mind reading as well?

I did not mean to come off offensive here but you seem to be taking it that way. You are missing a key fact. The part number JSimpson provided is an Earl's part number. I don't know how much more genuine it can get. From my experience all Earl's part numbers start with EAD. When I ordered my fuel system pieces, they all started with EAD. It makes even more sense that Earl's would simply take the part number from their supplier and add their own letters to it. This is very common in the industry. I know for a fact that Holley batteries are just re-branded odyssey batteries. Odyssey batteries are simply re-branded Enersys. The point I'm trying to make is that his line is genuine Earl's line and Earl's line is made in Germany. This is nothing like the knockoffs you mentioned. You are just being stubborn. Yes I am friends with him and he makes great products for our community. Makes one think you should be appreciative that there are people out there willing to make products like these.

Hoffman5982

06-26-2015, 12:48 AM

I did not mean to come off offensive here but you seem to be taking it that way.

Hmmmm....

Not surprised from a FaiL stater
You look like the asshole here.

That part number is not for Earl's Power steering hose. Earl's part number is: 130006ERL. That part number is for the Parker hose. All I've been saying this entire time is it is not genuine Earl's. It is Parker hose and should be sold as such.

I am interested to hear about the hose ends though. They LOOK identical to Fragola, but that doesn't mean they are. You two do realize that from the beginning I have been genuinely asking for nothing but an answer. I had no other intentions other than to be proven wrong. Good job on blowing up over nothing.

MaxTheRabbit

06-26-2015, 09:03 AM

I thought the 9/11 joke was funny, but you still look like the dick for shitting in his sale thread with an ignorant and incorrect callout

Hmmmm....

That part number is not for Earl's Power steering hose. Earl's part number is: 130006ERL. That part number is for the Parker hose. All I've been saying this entire time is it is not genuine Earl's. It is Parker hose and should be sold as such.

I am interested to hear about the hose ends though. They LOOK identical to Fragola, but that doesn't mean they are. You two do realize that from the beginning I have been genuinely asking for nothing but an answer. I had no other intentions other than to be proven wrong. Good job on blowing up over nothing.

Hoffman5982

06-26-2015, 11:23 AM

Not really incorrect. I question if it was genuine Earls product, and it isnt.

Fresh2Death

06-26-2015, 12:09 PM

^^^ Sooooo.... Since it is sold by Earls @ Earls, produced by the same company that makes all of the other Earls products.... it isn't genuine Earls?? wow this guy just won't give up will he.... You act like you have been sold a shitty product that failed on you.

JSimpson, sells quality products that he has spent the time fitting and taking measurements on from various builds that he has done in order to make things easier for everyone else. Why are you still on here bashing his FS thread. I have bought products from him before, and let me tell you he is easy to deal with and puts together great packages. I haven't had a single issue with anything I have bought from him.

Hoffman5982

06-26-2015, 12:33 PM

It is not genuine Earls. It is not sold by Earls. Megan coilovers are made in the same factory as some of the higher end coilovers, but are you going to argue that the quality is the same? No. He shouldn't be labeling it as Earls when it is Parker hose. And if the fittings are in fact Fragola, that is downright deceitful and lying.

The guy has been completely rude and insulting when all I did was ask a question regarding its authenticity. When someone else asked for specs he couldn't even be bothered to give him actual specs and instead spouted off an incorrect number, forcing Killer to have to search for himself. After seeing his behavior here, I would never trust buying a single thing from him, and I'm strongly considering warning others in the review section.

Fresh2Death

06-26-2015, 12:45 PM

Earl's doesn't have a factory!! They source it out to bigger, better companies that specialize in making the best product possible... then they sell it to the consumers @ a good price because they buy un godly amounts of it. You just don't get it do you... The ignorance is unbelievable, perhaps you should learn how to be receptive when hearing valuable information from people who know more about the subject matter than yourself.

Hoffman5982

06-26-2015, 01:12 PM

Earls get their product and puts their name on it, making it genuine Earls. Without that branding it is NOT genuine Earls. It may be from the same manufacturer that Earls buys from, but it still isn't GENUINE Earls. Maybe you should learn to read, as this is what I've been saying the entire time.

TEALSQUEAL

06-26-2015, 02:35 PM

Hoffman,

Give it a rest. You got schooled, then your panties got in a wad. Grow up a little and leave his thread alone.

JSimpson

06-26-2015, 03:07 PM

lolwut.

I asked for technical specifications not just max operating pressure and burst pressure...

I need to know the length, material construction, OD, min temp, max temp. Since this is 5/16" ID, would that mean -5 AN?

My apologies, I gave you what I knew off the top of my head and what most people view to be the important information. You asked for technical specs, I gave you what I knew to be the vital details of the hose. Not to be rude but we are not designing 240s to land on the moon here, we are transferring pressurized ATF from the pump to the rack on a 90s road car. I would have been more than happy to give you the nitty gritty facts on an industrial power steering hose, I just did not realize someone qualified enough to make sense of that information would be asking for it on a Zilvia for sale thread in the first place. Again, my apologies for my delayed response as this classified forum is not my day job and it takes me a while to respond.

Nevermind, I did a little research and found what I was looking for. Thanks.

http://i.imgur.com/XVEpGLv.jpg
Excellent. Thank you!

I did not mean to come off offensive here but you seem to be taking it that way. You are missing a key fact. The part number JSimpson provided is an Earl's part number. I don't know how much more genuine it can get. From my experience all Earl's part numbers start with EAD. When I ordered my fuel system pieces, they all started with EAD. It makes even more sense that Earl's would simply take the part number from their supplier and add their own letters to it. This is very common in the industry. I know for a fact that Holley batteries are just re-branded odyssey batteries. Odyssey batteries are simply re-branded Enersys. The point I'm trying to make is that his line is genuine Earl's line and Earl's line is made in Germany. This is nothing like the knockoffs you mentioned. You are just being stubborn. Yes I am friends with him and he makes great products for our community. Makes one think you should be appreciative that there are people out there willing to make products like these.

Thank you sir.

^^^ Sooooo.... Since it is sold by Earls @ Earls, produced by the same company that makes all of the other Earls products.... it isn't genuine Earls?? wow this guy just won't give up will he.... You act like you have been sold a shitty product that failed on you.

JSimpson, sells quality products that he has spent the time fitting and taking measurements on from various builds that he has done in order to make things easier for everyone else. Why are you still on here bashing his FS thread. I have bought products from him before, and let me tell you he is easy to deal with and puts together great packages. I haven't had a single issue with anything I have bought from him.

Thank you sir.

Hoffman,

Give it a rest. You got schooled, then your panties got in a wad. Grow up a little and leave his thread alone.

Thank you sir.

Hoffman5982

06-26-2015, 03:48 PM

Ok, if you're not going to actually answer anything, that's fine. Not sure how I got schooled. He confirmed exactly what I originally thought and is continuing to dodge the question about the hose ends. You act like you're here to help the community, but you're here to take their money. You're paying maybe $50 to assemble these lines and asking for over twice that and lying about the the brand of materials you're using.

Good luck with your sale.

w0nderbr3ad

06-26-2015, 03:56 PM

Honestly, JSimpson can charge whatever he feels his time, labor, parts, time to gather materials, and shipping is worth. Don't act like if you made this for $50 that you would sell it for $50 to your friends...gtfo. You have contributed nothing but garbage to this thread. If a buyer really wanted to delve deeper into the material, it's their responsibility to do their due diligence, not yours.

Hoffman5982

06-26-2015, 04:01 PM

I never said I'd sell it for cost of materials, that's just idiotic. He's buying materials considerably cheaper than Earl's materials would cost, and still charging for Earl's name.

If it the responsibility of the buyer, but the buyer can't honestly find the correct info when the seller is lying to them. I honestly was in the market for a new high pressure hose. It's why I came into this thread originally. But I noticed as soon as I saw the picture that the materials were not what he's selling them as. That is deceitful

Fresh2Death

06-26-2015, 04:03 PM

Well, you see... Hoffman thinks that it is fraud for JSimpson to make any money off of these parts. Apparently, JSimpson's time that he has spent building MULTIPLE different engine platforms with 240's and measuring/fitting hoses for all the different builds is worth nothing.

Hoffman, why don't you go build 4 different 240's and maybe you will realize that it takes a lot of time to do things right... So he is by NO means doing anything wrong here... sure he may be making a few dollars off of one of these kits... keep in mind how much time and money he has spent to be able to know the things that he does... Some people like yourself just don't get it!

Hoffman5982

06-26-2015, 04:05 PM

TEALSQUEAL

06-26-2015, 04:13 PM

Fresh2Death

06-26-2015, 04:17 PM

Are you fucking stupid? I have never said there is a problem with him making any money off of it. There is a problem about him lying about what brand of material he is using. Learn to fucking read.

Parker hose and Fragola fittings ARE NOT the Earl's materials that he is promising. End of fucking story.

No I'm not "fucking stupid" ... it is evident that I am far smarter than you because you can't grasp what is going on here.... PARKER=EARLS .. EARLS = PARKER ... parker makes the hose for earls... and they aren't fragola fittings... you are just digging your hole deeper and deeper!

How many different people from around the country does it take to tell you... You just don't get it!

Hoffman5982

06-26-2015, 04:24 PM

Please quote where my accusation that this is not genuine Earl's product was proven wrong and I will happily leave. Because the only thing I have seen proven is that this is genuine Parker hose, and have received nothing about the fittings because neither Parker nor Earl's makes black power steering fittings.

Earl's =/= Parker. Earl's= Earl's. When you buy Earl's products from them, you see the "Earl's" logo on them, not Parker. They may buy from Parker, I've never once disputed that. But unless you buy it from Earl's or a reputable dealer and it has the Earl's name on it, it is not genuine Earl's. You talk about how much this guy knows, but he has avoided every single question, couldn't provide specs for the guy that was asking for them, and is still dodging the fitting question. He has done nothing but praised himself.

If he was saying he was selling Parker Line and Fragola fittings, there would be nothing wrong here, because he'd be telling the truth.

Hoffman5982

06-26-2015, 05:00 PM

Fresh2Death I really don't care to hear any more from you. You haven't posted since 2012, and even then it was clear you were JSimpsons buddy.

JSimpson, stop trying to get your friends to fight your battle for you.

blackmags91

06-26-2015, 05:30 PM

CompleteXen

06-26-2015, 05:46 PM

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i40/hoffman91/terror_zpsbeeolgrc.jpg

Bush didn't burn down the towers, JSimpson did. :naughty:

KiLLeR2001

06-26-2015, 06:39 PM

Honestly, I don't think there would be any sort of bickering as long as you label what you are selling exactly what it is.

If this were my thread I would approach it along the lines of "Parker hydraulic hose same manufacturer that supplies EARL's." etc etc.

It's like selling a Deka battery but calling it Braille, yeah they come from the same place but unfortunately 1.0 does not equal 1.01.

A little transparency goes a long way here.

JSimpson

06-26-2015, 07:10 PM

It'd be great if a mod could come in here and clean up all the useless bullshit bickering in this thread. Ive recently started researching options and methods to beef up my power steering system. But after seeing the first 3 or 4 posts in this thread I gave up on this product, came right down to the quick reply, and now will be leaving. The interest was completely squashed.. Sorry JSimpson, not your fault... unfortunate that this is how 9/10 zilvia threads go these days.
Sorry for the appalling thread. Its a shame Zilvia has come to this. There are so many good dudes and ladies on this forum that are generally good people and love the S chassis platform. However, then there are the trolls that get off to causing drama on threads like this one. Again I am very sorry for the mishap and have sent you a PM.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i40/hoffman91/terror_zpsbeeolgrc.jpg

Bush didn't burn down the towers, JSimpson did. :naughty:
Its not funny. Especially when some people on this very thread were in NYC at the time and actually old enough to realize what was going on.
Honestly, I don't think there would be any sort of bickering as long as you label what you are selling exactly what it is.

If this were my thread I would approach it along the lines of "Parker hydraulic hose same manufacturer that supplies EARL's." etc etc.

It's like selling a Deka battery but calling it Braille, yeah they come from the same place but unfortunately 1.0 does not equal 1.01.

A little transparency goes a long way here.
Alright you seem much more rational than your delusional buddy hoffman, however I am going to explain this once and for all so that it makes sense. This is all authentic Earl's line. I know this because I walk into Earl's and buy it in person with cash in my hand. It has an Earl's PN on the receipt I am handed when I walk out.
This is like going to a Ford dealership and buying a Taurus then bitching that it isn't genuine Ford... life doesn't work that way for sane people.
Earl's does not put their name on much of what they sell. Think about it, over half of their line has no label, very few if any of their fittings have their name on it, and only some hose ends have their name on it. Typically only -8AN and larger have markings. I would guess this is likely due to the pieces simply being too small to engrave. However its pretty obvious when you rip the little Earl's bag open to get the fittings out that they are in fact Earl's brand. Here is another example of my older, yet still available Earl's hose: http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac319/JSimpson21/PS%20lines/PSlinesilver_zpsef29e0b3.png (http://s911.photobucket.com/user/JSimpson21/media/PS%20lines/PSlinesilver_zpsef29e0b3.png.html)
Look familiar? This is from the exact same box and batch as the black ones. Earl's started with the black hose ends in late 2014 and I remember it was a big deal at the time because they look kick ass. The black hose ends are actually more expensive than the silver by about a dollar each, but who cares, they look much nicer!

This is not your for sale thread so please do not tell me how to approach it. Yes you have good information on the batteries, which is exactly what I mentioned on the previous page about Odyssey batteries being Enersys batteries with odyssey stickers. This, however, as you can see from my proof above is not the case with this PS line kit. I can price the line however I like and do not have to justify it. The fact is these lines are very expensive to make, much more expensive than Hoffman guessed. Let alone shipping, time, experience, making the lines which is a royal pain in the ass, and gas. I feel that this kit is prices VERY fair and for many people it is exactly what they are looking for. People spend the money to do it right, and to rest assured their Power Steering is a non-issue. Those are the people I align with. Thanks.

Harrythook

06-26-2015, 08:00 PM

Really?? This is better than watching TV. All I wanted was to see the specs on this line, and BAM its drama. Please dont kill this thread....

Wiesner12

06-26-2015, 09:32 PM

@Hoffman8952 How are you going to leave a bad review on something you never even purchased?!? Sounds to me like you're a cheap candy ass that wants all of the specs so you can attemt to skip the middle man.
I've been very happy with JSimpson's products that I run on my car. I didn't care if he was making $5,$50,or $500, I seen the quality and time he took into building his kits. Time is money, and he's put his time into research and development. No need to bash on him and his thread, clearly you're not going to buy one...
Besides, look at the car in your signature, and look at his lineup. ��

Hoffman5982

06-27-2015, 12:03 AM

OMG, why am I still having to ask you for actual proof?? You have the part number on your receipt? Great! Fucking post it. That's all I've been asking for this entire time. I can claim all day that I'm running a GT2860rs turbo on my car, but until you see the part number on the turbo you won't know for sure. ALL of my 6AN Earls fittings and hose ends has their name engraved on them. Every single one. A part number is the only thing I'm ask for, not for you to run around spewing off these claims and not backing any of it up.

@Hoffman8952 How are you going to leave a bad review on something you never even purchased?!? Sounds to me like you're a cheap candy ass that wants all of the specs so you can attemt to skip the middle man.
I've been very happy with JSimpson's products that I run on my car. I didn't care if he was making $5,$50,or $500, I seen the quality and time he took into building his kits. Time is money, and he's put his time into research and development. No need to bash on him and his thread, clearly you're not going to buy one...
Besides, look at the car in your signature, and look at his lineup. ��

I see plenty of people posting there warning about possible scams and whatnot and they wanted to warn people. I'd post warning people of possibly not receiving exactly what they are paying for.

For the last time, I never once said his profit margin is a fucking problem. What I said pertaining to the price was he is charging people the price of Earl's material, and it isn't genuine Earl's material. The only reason people would buy this over the many other already assembled options for $70-$80, which include a warranty, is because they want the Earl's material. Both of you need to stop acting like I said him making a profit is a crime, because I most certainly did not.

I'm not sure how you can justify that last insult there. You know absolutely nothing about me, and you know jack shit about my car. You damn sure couldn't get that kind of information off of a 3 year old signature. Your claim, though, is stupid. Don't you think the people who would spend extra money for a better looking line like this vs going to their local shops and having one assembled for half the cost that may look like shit, but still works, are doing it because they want their engine bay to look just a little bit better? The same people who would send their valve cover off and drop decent money on having it powder coated or hydrodipped, as is my case? My entire power steering setup is AN lines. I used to run ACTUAL Earl's line, hose ends, and fittings for my pressure line until I couldn't stand the blue and went to my local performance shop and replaced it with Russel Performance hose and fittings, but the return line is Earl's hose ends and hose, and the feed line is Earl's Hose Ends and hose with a 10AN bung welded onto the flange for the pump, all of this running through a LEE Aluminum baffled reservoir.

You see, literally none of that last paragraph even remotely matters, but you wanted to make an uneducated insult

JSimpson, all I'm asking for, all I've been asking for, is a part number. I don't need another short story about your lifes work and how great you are. All you need to post is the part number, and it will either prove me right or prove me wrong. Either way, that will be the end of this. People have a right to know if they are being lied to or not.

KiLLeR2001

06-27-2015, 12:12 AM

Alright you seem much more rational than your delusional buddy hoffman, however I am going to explain this once and for all so that it makes sense. This is all authentic Earl's line. I know this because I walk into Earl's and buy it in person with cash in my hand. It has an Earl's PN on the receipt I am handed when I walk out.
This is like going to a Ford dealership and buying a Taurus then bitching that it isn't genuine Ford... life doesn't work that way for sane people.
Earl's does not put their name on much of what they sell. Think about it, over half of their line has no label, very few if any of their fittings have their name on it, and only some hose ends have their name on it. Typically only -8AN and larger have markings. I would guess this is likely due to the pieces simply being too small to engrave. However its pretty obvious when you rip the little Earl's bag open to get the fittings out that they are in fact Earl's brand. Here is another example of my older, yet still available Earl's hose: [IMG]

Look familiar? This is from the exact same box and batch as the black ones. Earl's started with the black hose ends in late 2014 and I remember it was a big deal at the time because they look kick ass. The black hose ends are actually more expensive than the silver by about a dollar each, but who cares, they look much nicer!

Thank you for the information. Although I think your analogy is a bit off. It would be more like walking into an Infiniti dealership and coming out with a Nissan.

The only tidbit of information I need left from you that has still yet to be answered is the length of the hose you are offering in the OP.

Also, will you be offering the P/S line that loops around the front crossmember as well? Do you know where those particular fittings that go into the steering rack can be obtained? I am looking to completely eliminate all of the factory plumbing with my P/S system but it seems from my research finding the correct fittings that go into the rack without leaking has proven to be difficult.

This is not your for sale thread so please do not tell me how to approach it. Yes you have good information on the batteries, which is exactly what I mentioned on the previous page about Odyssey batteries being Enersys batteries with odyssey stickers. This, however, as you can see from my proof above is not the case with this PS line kit.

Yes, thank you for reminding me this is not my for sale thread, I was wondering why I couldn't modify the original post with viable information...

But on a more serious note, I was offering you sound advice due to the fact I have been around here a wee bit longer than you and I know how quickly things can escalate here. This entire thread could have been avoided if you got straight to the information without sending jabs back and forth with Hoffman. I think they call it, "fueling the fire." A pompous attitude towards potential customers is not a good method of business. Insulting one's intelligence even if they are clearly in the wrong is also not a good method of business. Nothing pisses me off more than when I go into a shop or store and ask about a product or service and I get a nasty little attitude from whomever I am speaking to.

JSimpson

06-27-2015, 12:44 AM

Thank you for the information. Although I think your analogy is a bit off. It would be more like walking into an Infiniti dealership and coming out with a Nissan.

The only tidbit of information I need left from you that has still yet to be answered is the length of the hose you are offering in the OP.

Also, will you be offering the P/S line that loops around the front crossmember as well? Do you know where those particular fittings that go into the steering rack can be obtained? I am looking to completely eliminate all of the factory plumbing with my P/S system but it seems from my research finding the correct fittings that go into the rack without leaking has proven to be difficult.

Yes, thank you for reminding me this is not my for sale thread, I was wondering why I couldn't modify the original post with viable information...

But on a more serious note, I was offering you sound advice due to the fact I have been around here a wee bit longer than you and I know how quickly things can escalate here. This entire thread could have been avoided if you got straight to the information without sending jabs back and forth with Hoffman. I think they call it, "fueling the fire." A pompous attitude towards potential customers is not a good method of business. Insulting one's intelligence even if they are clearly in the wrong is also not a good method of business. Nothing pisses me off more than when I go into a shop or store and ask about a product or service and I get a nasty little attitude from whomever I am speaking to.

I completely agree with you, I should not have been rude to Hoffman right off the bat. However, what set me off immediately is that I had recently commented on Hoffman's thread giving him props for a nice PS reservoir. I'm probably 1 of 5 people on zilvia who appreciate a LEE reservoir because we used them on the sprint cars and midgets I raced for a while. So after complimenting him the first thing he does is crap on my thread and say "your kit is not Earls". There was no question where he asks "hey man thats pretty cool that you got black earl's hose, I've wanted some for a while because the blue is lame, where did you get that black Earl's line?"... It was rude of him to ruin my thread off the bat with an opinion of his, especially frustrating when I go to Earl's at least twice a week and every receipt I have has a nice big ol' "EARL's" right across the top. There is no debate that its as genuine as it gets when I deal with them directly in person. I'm sorry that I'm not giving away every detail about the kit but the fact is that information is proprietary to me. I appreciate your advice and have been on here for a while as well.