dumbass 240 owners

[thelinja]

I found this on www.clubnismo.com

seriously, this has to be a joke

http://www.petitiononline.com/240SX05/petition.html

It just amazes me that people are stupid enough to try things like this. What amazes me even more is that people think it will work.

[West]

Hmmm... I didn’t authorize the use of linking Zilvia.net from such a lame "Petition". Bastids.

If someone where to seriously do a "Petition", and present it to Nissan America then please at least make sure the letter doesn’t come off as if it was written by someone with no more then a high school grammar level. I remember when TwinTurbo.net had everyone write letters (good ones) after seeing the layout of what was going to be the 350z. We all gave our input and the car changed almost 100%, considering it was a "240sx" when it was in the concept stage. I have no proof that the letters did anything but whatever, I’m sure it opened a few eyes at Nissan.

I think he forgot to add Nawwws System and APC Stickers in the OE options.

I signed the thing with "Zilvia.net thinks you are lame. Thank you."

[thelinja]

I signed the thing with "Zilvia.net thinks you are lame. Thank you."

Nice. :Owned:

[Mr. Badlose]

Just to point a few things out. The 240SX has always been a favorite among drifters world wide, and now with the drifting craze in the United States and Canada, the need for cars like the 240SX has grown tremendously.

Yeah, I'm sure most 240sx owners are rich enough to buy a (nonexistant) S16 and beat the shit out of it for drifting. Neat. Release a car for the drifters! Yay!

[thelinja]

Here's the post I made on that forum:

Wow, I actually read through it this time....

Quote:
My generation, the generation after me, and the ones before me have now shifted directions to the sport Compact segment and market. There is now a need for rear wheel drive coupes, with turbo engines or powerfull naturally aspirated ones. Take a close look at how well the Subaru WRX, the Mitsubishi Evolution, the Dodge Neon SRT-4 just to name a few.


Yeah, I don't see any RWD cars on that list, or coupes for that matter, all are 4 door sedans. I don't see where the need for a RWD coupe is. There's already the 350Z, G35, RX-8, lots of german cars, the list goes on...

Quote:
The 240SX has always been a favorite among drifters world wide, and now with the drifting craze in the United States and Canada, the need for cars like the 240SX has grown tremendously. There are over 142 sites world wide that are specific to the 240SX (Silvia, S13, S14, S15, 200SX, 180SX)


Yes, drifting is popular now and everyone except a select few are jumping on it's bandwagon. This doesn't create a need, it simply creates a demand. Hmmm, let's see there are plenty of RWD coupes out there like the 240 which can be utilized for drifting like the AE86 Corolla and RX-7. Telling Nissan to recreate the 240SX because we "need more drift cars" is absurd considering less than 10% of the people who talk about drifting actually drift.

Quote:
Turbo 4cylinder or Naturally aspirated rated with atleast 220HP or more.


Yeah, that's all we need, more dumbass 16 year olds driving 200+hp RWD cars thinking that they can drift on the streets. I'll just keep my 240 in my garage thanks you.


Quote:
Please rethink your strategy for United States and Canadian sales and availability, We want the 240SX back, and we want it better than ever. We don’t want another under-powered, overpriced 240SX, there is no excuse, nor justification for us not to get a 240SX similar to the S15 silvia (200SX), if not better. For under 25,000 usd. We are counting on you Mr. Nissan. Don’t let us down. From all the fans world wide, specially the United States of America and Canada…..


Less than $25k with all of those options? HAH. I'd like to know how bringing back the 240SX would be advantageous to Nissan in the first place. The reason they stopped selling them was because they didn't sell well. There are already enough rwd cars on the market now and there doesn't need to be anymore.

I'm not shooting down your "dreams," I'm bringing you back to reality.


I'm calmly awaiting my ban.

[mjjstang]

well written, this must be your middle school project where u have to write a company, I remember doing it way back. congrats.

that was mine.

last time I checked , the ceo of nissan was not "Mr. Nissan" what a tool. btw I didnt know that out of the last 8 years they have lost money 7 of the years. Im sure bringing back a car that was taken off the lineup due to lack of sales, is gonna be the right direction for nissan, not that I wouldnt like to see a new 240sx, but if you pull your head out your ass and think logically, It doesnt make sense to brink it back.

[HyperTek]

well hey, Nissan NA kinda sucks.. didnt they see financial problems in late 90's?? They release some stupid cars... like the sentra and 200sx FWD poops (as they replaced the only Nissan sports car at one time)...

I think the US just wants trendy cars... no care for performance, hence the success of teh regular Neon and Cavilers hahaha.

[AAA240SX]

Nissan sux. The company is being "Americanized." Trying to appeal with big body trucks, big body sedans, and modern space machine looking turds on wheels.

Performance? :fawk:

They have the VQ in nearly ever model they produce.
It's the new KA...:goyou:

[citizen]

i have three letters for those idiots. GTR. may not be cheap, but who said poor people get to have fun (i hate being poor). =\

[SirWarrior]

They have the VQ in nearly ever model they produce.
It's the new KA...:goyou:

:werd:
:Owned:

[OptionZero]

Funny, considering putting the VQ in every car is what enabled Nissan to get out from under its debt-ridden ass. IT reduces development and manufacturing costs to share parts across platforms, which is why the G, Z, Altima, Maxima, Quest, Pathfinder, etc, all share the "FM" platform and use variations of the VQ in some form.

Last i checked, the VQ was a pretty damn good engine also.

I had not known the KA's were so good back in the day.

[nocomedown]

They have the VQ in nearly ever model they produce.
It's the new KA...:goyou:
thats what most companies do. its too expensive to use too many different engines, so they use basically the same one and tune it based on what kind of car it is. absolutely nothing wrong with that. theres nothing that says the same engine can't be used for many different cars.

up next will probably be people bitching about the KA "being a truck engine." hey guess what, the new Ford GT uses a "truck engine" too.

[zero.counter]

The Nissan Caravan "Silkroad" uses the KA24DE as well, in a RWD config that is...

[S14DB]

240SX Forums strikes again!

[mrmephistopheles]

The Nissan Caravan "Silkroad" uses the KA24DE as well, in a RWD config that is...

http://history.nissan.co.jp/CARAVAN/VE24/0010/main_engine.html

http://carstadium.net/Notebook/Nissan/Caravan.htm

[S14DB]

http://history.nissan.co.jp/CARAVAN/VE24/0010/IMAGES_ENGINE/top.jpg

[ch1873857]

it'll never happen anyway. id like to know who wrote it anyway. i signed it but i didnt say anything. kinda lame how they are talking about an s16.

[Bbandit]

^^^^ man that van is pimp!!! you can fit a soccer team in it easy! or better yet.. you can stick "project D" sticker on the door and bring a bunch of tools in it :)

[_JDMU]

I hope they never bring the 240sx back. These guys are just doing this because they can buy anymore cause there so hard to find (the newer models) Stupid ass kids. This is exactly why I never plan on selling my car, so it doesnt end up in some dumb ass kids hands..

[Emperiorjack]

if they do make the S16 it would probably be the best selling car in america for years

[mrmephistopheles]

if they do make the S16 it would probably be the best selling car in america for years


STOP IT! I CAN'T BREATHE!!!

*riding the rofflecopter*

[chokudoriS13]

STOP IT! I CAN'T BREATHE!!!

*riding the rofflecopter*

Man, Kevin, you so have no clue about automotive marketing... I bet most soccer moms, construction workers and virtually all Mid-Western farmers would give up those annoying trucks, vans and SUV's and hop on the mighty S16 RWD soooooooooper-dooooooooooper bandwagon. I mean, I caught my mother doing donuts just last night... I know she'll do much better once she dumps her auto Accord and gets into the new-fangled S16 :D :p.

[aznpoopy]

if they do make the S16 it would probably be the best selling car in america for years

a great selling car encompasses all markets. the civic is a great selling car. real enthusiasts, ricers, grocery getting moms, commuters, old grannies, ... everyone flocks to the civic.

a rwd, turbocharged car priced at 25k would not appeal to anyone except ricers and enthusiasts. and the majority of those people (us) would not be able to afford it.

there's a reason nissan discontinued the 240sx, and it's still valid.

[orion::S14]

The company is being "Americanized."

If by "americanized" you mean "profitable".

It all in what the market will bear. What's selling right now and making money? SUVs and trucks.

Would another sportscar in their lineup sell...probably. Would it make as much money as the trucks and SUVs they're moving by the hundreds of thousands...? No.

When Nissan can stop answering to their shareholders and make performance cars targeted to a specific niche market...they won't be Nissan, but more like DeLorean...which doesn't make cars (or money) anymore.

- - - - -

And why would Nissan not make the S15 or S16 availbale here? Maybe b/c they can't have a similar (albeit smaller) platform make more power and outhandle the new Z.

My .02 - Brian

[sciamop]

For ha-has, let's say that Nissan builds and exports an S16 that matches this guy's specs to the letter... It's safe to say that there would be hundreds of threads on the various 240sx forums that would all basically end the same way:

"If I had $25K, I'd get a clapped out S13 and add $10K worth of aftermarket parts and have a car that would outperform the new car in every possible way AND still have $12K left over for jelly donuts, chicken wings, porno mags, psychoactive drugs AND Playstation 2 games!"

Of course, the operative words being: "IF I HAD"...

Besides, the 350Z already occupies this price point ($26K) pretty damn well! Did anyone see the Speed channel's 'Redline TV' episode where Motorex put an SR20 into a 350Z -- maybe that's what this guy should do! It would be mAd tYte JDm, y0!

On another note, Ghosn has promised a new ultra-high performance Skyline GTR for 2007 in the US so these fools should start saving their pennies now instead of dreaming about resurrecting a dead platform.

I think a more reasonable petition would beg Nissan to build an SRT4/Evo/WRX-killing next-generation Sentra SE-R...

Todd

[Mr. Badlose]

STOP IT! I CAN'T BREATHE!!!

*riding the rofflecopter*


The ROFLCOPTER (http://guernsey.globat.com/~mountainracer.com/tunetech/ka_swap/roflcopter.avi), courtesy of Driftaholic.

[mrmephistopheles]

FUCKING WIN!!!
DRIFTAHOLIC WINS THE PRIZE*!!!









*there is no prize other than my sincere laughter.

[HaLo]

you can stick "project D" sticker on the door and bring a bunch of tools in it :)

you read my mind!!! that is exactly what I thought! :D

[West]

I like how all the signatures are saying "bring back the 240sx!" When really they want the SR20 motor, so how would it be a 240sx if it had that? Stupid kids.

Another thing kids, Nissan doesnt make shit on selling cars themselves. They make the majority of money on finance. So unless your mom or dad is gonna sign for your 16 year old wannabe ass then Nissan dosent care about you.

[sykikchimp]

The ROFLCOPTER (http://guernsey.globat.com/~mountainracer.com/tunetech/ka_swap/roflcopter.avi), courtesy of Driftaholic.


BAHAHAHA!! at least something in this thread was worth reading.

Umm.. the Sentra SE-R spec-v Nismo S-tune (man that's a long name), sits right in the price point b/w the regular spec-v and the 350z. And currently handles better than the 350z.

There is no space for a 240sx replacement unless the spec-v is abolished.

[thelinja]

Umm.. the Sentra SE-R spec-v Nismo S-tune (man that's a long name), sits right in the price point b/w the regular spec-v and the 350z. And currently handles better than the 350z.



Yeah, but that's FWD dogg, FWD SuX!

[sykikchimp]

Yeah, but that's FWD dogg, FWD SuX!

indeed it does.. that's why my w0man is selling her spec-v and getting a 240. :)

[sideviewcivic]

the comments posted by those on the petition list are hilarious. 240sx legendary car??? sheer excellence?? not to bash on the 240sx but if it held up to all those comments. would it necessarily cheap and inexpensive. sportcompactcarweb.com as a site that caters to the 240sx hahai never knew it had become a forum to only 240sx. The letter seems to outline features available in the Sti (recaro seats) and other items from reading the 'tuner' mags Vlsd. Oh well its nice to know how uneconomical this generation is. Oh well hopefully nissan wont cater to the young generations needs. Besides why dont they save up and get the nismo 350z. oh wait they cant afford it.

[Maeda]

The reason I have a 240sx is because it's a crappy car with a good aftermarket.
I love it, but I am completely aware that its a suck pile. I guess i'm saying is i don't feel too bad crashing it as long as my stuff can transfer over to another chassis. :)

[Emperiorjack]

the s16 could be the wrx/Evo/SRT4 fighter and if they could put a nice 4-banger 100hp/a liter motor in there people would flock to it.It would be cheaper on insurance then a turbo car would be and still be has fun if they make it right. hell they should make two models one N/A the other Turbo. If they make the interior cheap then they can bring the price down to $20,000 like the srt4. I'd BUY one.

[Emperiorjack]

if they do make the S16 it would probably be the best selling car in america for years

okay not the best selling car period but,

the best selling sports car

[Irukandji]

Quote : "There is now a need for rear wheel drive coupes, with turbo engines or powerfull naturally aspirated ones. Take a close look at how well the Subaru WRX, the Mitsubishi Evolution, the Dodge Neon SRT-4 just to name a few. They are selling extremely well. "

Umm... they do know that the Subaru Wrx, Misubishi Evo, and SRT-4's are all SEDANS right? Also, the Evo and WRX are AWD not RWD....geez get it straight...now nissan is gonna think ur just a buncha kno nothing idiots...which you are (directed to the dumbass owners...not anyone from zilvia.net)

[240Stilo]

Maybe Nissan should make a go kart. Nice and cheap to make, nice and cheap to buy. Of course you would only be able to use it at the track but it should meet the ignorant plea for something cheap with track performance.

[Jumpman-Z]

"We are counting on you Mr. Nissan. Don’t let us down."

Mr. Nissan? Don't these people even know who to address the letter to? It seems like a letter from little kids. I would think that it should be addressed to Ghosn.

http://history.nissan.co.jp/CARAVAN/VE24/0010/IMAGES_ENGINE/top.jpg

This is off-topic but, is this one of the vans that Project.D drives to the races in Initial D Stage 4?

[Emperiorjack]

Quote : "There is now a need for rear wheel drive coupes, with turbo engines or powerfull naturally aspirated ones. Take a close look at how well the Subaru WRX, the Mitsubishi Evolution, the Dodge Neon SRT-4 just to name a few. They are selling extremely well. "

Umm... they do know that the Subaru Wrx, Misubishi Evo, and SRT-4's are all SEDANS right? Also, the Evo and WRX are AWD not RWD....geez get it straight...now nissan is gonna think ur just a buncha kno nothing idiots...which you are (directed to the dumbass owners...not anyone from zilvia.net)

Sure but people would still compare the performance of the cars to be in the same group. And also the srt4 is FWD not AWD.

[JediMindGamez]

This is off-topic but, is this one of the vans that Project.D drives to the races in Initial D Stage 4?

they use toyotas...

[crioten]

west, you should tell them that you are going to file a lawsuit against them for using your site without asking permission....just to be an asshole and see what they do (and to find out if they really are kids by their reactions to a lawsuit that doesnt have any legal grounds)

i think it'd be funny as hell

[Emperiorjack]

Quote :
Umm... they do know that the Subaru Wrx, Misubishi Evo, and SRT-4's are all SEDANS right? Also, the Evo and WRX are AWD not RWD....geez get it straight...now nissan is gonna think ur just a buncha kno nothing idiots...which you are (directed to the dumbass owners...not anyone from zilvia.net)

People dont buy the WRX, Evo, and the SRT4 because its a Sedan. They buy the car for its performance.

[Emperiorjack]

edit : someone please delete this

[fliprayzin240sx]

I agree, no way in hell that nissan would resurrect it just cuz of a "fad" There is no financial gain in investing so much money on something that wouldnt last more than a couple of years. No offense but, in a couple of years, the drifting craze will subside. Thats when all the "rifters" tried it out and wrapped their cars into trees. Only a few will stick it out...the true and hardcore drift enthusiasts. Another point thats been brought up is that, theres no room for a S16 in nissans/infinity's line up. Unless they decide to replace the v-spec completely and make a rwd 2 door sentra *god i dont even wanna think of thats cuz im painting something really ugly in my head* No way they'd make it off the FM flatform with a VQ cuz that will just be too expensive.

[OptionZero]

hardcore people buy the WRX/STi/SRT4 for the performance.

The Fact that they have 4 doors helps, however, to draw in people who want that convenience.

For the same reason, the 350Z is not in the same class as the WRX/EVO

[mbmbmb23]

For $25,000 you could, yourself, build something on an S chassis that would out perform ANYTHING resembling any S16 that Nissan would make.

Regardless, Nissan is too busy pumping out Z33's and G35's and marketting them to people who can afford them (not most of us), regardless of whether the consumers are Nissan enthusiasts. If we did get an S16, it would have to be detuned to run on American gasoline, probably wouldnt be turbo....and even if it were we'd be lucky to get RWD. Besides that, the aftermarket would be limited and expensive...and you'd void your warranty slapping on the performance adding aftermarket parts (turbo/supercharger kits, headers, cams, etc).


-m

[1 88 U]

poor marketing killed the S chassis car

[TUnity2]

If they made a "MODERN" 240sx it wouldnt be a 240sx, it would be a 250sx because they would probably use the 2.5 motor out of the altima and Spec-v.

[fliprayzin240sx]

poor marketing killed the S chassis car

Haha...yah i remember how they were marketed towards female secretary type *atleast the S14 was* Shoot my car had a Mary-Kayes sticker outline in the back windown when it fogs up which might explain how the stock clutch went out at 34k miles