STI Bembo Calipers on S14

[Master Chief]

Hi all.

I remeber at the time there were some adapters to get, for fitting STI brambo calipers, with EVO rotors, to the Nissan S14.

I cant seem to find anyone selling these anymore.

There were some guys called SKULLWERKS, but i cand get to them.

Does anyone know where i can get some adapters for these, or has some measurments or blueprints to make them.

I would pay gladly...

Thanks.

[tricky_ab]

Touge Factory sells them...

Here is what you're looking for! (http://www.tf-works.com/tf-evo-8-9-brembo-brake-caliper-adapter-for-nissan-s13-s14-s15/)

[Master Chief]

I wish it was.... These are for using the EVO calipers.
I need adapters for the STI calipers...... I think they are not the same

[spooled240]

I believe the spacing between the bolts is different from the evo brembos.

I couldn't find anything either, but I know people have made their own brackets out of thick steel. It shouldn't be too hard since the caliper doesn't have to be offset from the spindle.

[simmode1]

I wonder which is better... the EVO/STI Brembo upgrade or the CTS-V caliper upgrade? Hmmm....

[spooled240]

the pistons in the evo brembos are slightly larger, but since you can buy the CTS-V's new for almost the same price as a pair of used evo brembos it's probably a better "bang for buck"

[wurley]

I have an sti front setup im planning on selling: calipers, brackets and hardware. Brackets are made to work with evo x rotors. I was planning on using oem brake lines and pads.

[Master Chief]

Does anyone have the blueprints for the adapters for the STI brembos???
I am willing to pay.

[240sxfan6882]

I wonder which is better... the EVO/STI Brembo upgrade or the CTS-V caliper upgrade? Hmmm....

The CTSVs are cheap as hell but they will toss your brake bias out the door unless you get a big kit for the rear to balance it out some. If used with a low split point BMC it's gonna be a front brake locking up machine! lol

[RalliartRsX]

The CTSVs are cheap as hell but they will toss your brake bias out the door unless you get a big kit for the rear to balance it out some. If used with a low split point BMC it's gonna be a front brake locking up machine! lol

Have you done the brake bias spreedsheet to confirm this?? Because if you haven't (which I have), what you are saying is pure theoretical and not factual (which it isn't factualy by any means and is a GROSS oversimplification at best............).

The stock bias is something like 66-69% front. If you swap in the CTSV, it's barely over 70% front..........

If you would like my Bias sheet, I will surely post it. But anyone can go to the Stoptech(??) site and input the currect numbers :)

[OBEEWON]

for some reason when I do big brakes up front my rears lock up first. Am I a wizard?

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o32/jasonpalamar/Forum/daily_gifdump_652_26_zpsyl5bzipa.gif

[Prove It]

proportioning value bru ^

[RalliartRsX]

for some reason when I do big brakes up front my rears lock up first. Am I a wizard?


.......Then there is something off with your system

Installed Wilwood 1.62" (note: overall MORE piston area than both the Evo and STI Brembos) Superlites up front with 12.76" Brembo 350Z rotors and stock S14 caliper out back. Had zero issues.

People forget the piston size of the rear Caliper (on both the S13 and S14) is actually fairly sizable to begin with.



Have since upgraded to 300ZX Brembo rear calipers to bring the bias back to OEM.

[spooled240]

I'd be curious to see it. I know when I had Q45 brakes up front, stock rears with a stock bmc the front bias felt really bad. CTS-V's are pretty huge so I'd assume that it would be worse..

[RalliartRsX]

I'd be curious to see it. I know when I had Q45 brakes up front, stock rears with a stock bmc the front bias felt really bad. CTS-V's are pretty huge so I'd assume that it would be worse..


A snapshot of my spreadsheet is below

You can see the numbers and the CTSV puts the bias at 73% vs 69% OEM. Not enough for 95% of the people to feel and in all honesty, pad compound can be used to bring it much closer to stock.

Again, people who have brake bias problems, I have a feeling there is something else more the issue than the brakes themselves........

Note: Although there is only one piston in the rear, it's a floating design and it's acts as a "2 piston" system. Also, note the size: 38,18mm rear vs 44/40mm front.
Hope this helps ;)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a354/RalliartRsX/brakebalancescreenshot_zps4118abed.jpg (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/RalliartRsX/media/brakebalancescreenshot_zps4118abed.jpg.html)

[simmode1]

I'm surprised no one is doing a CTS-V rear caliper swap kit. Would be pretty beastly, IMO.

[RalliartRsX]

I just realized something!!!

The pad length for the CTSV may be off slightly (as in the pad may be shorter). That's more of a nod towards OEM balance!!

It was a quick and dirty calculation, but you get the idea :2f2f:

[OBEEWON]

Im just going to buy these.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/412eyJ52DHL._SX425_.jpg

[ixfxi]

^ those are cool, i strapped them onto my nikes

now im able to keepup with all the bitches on the street: holla holla holla

[EnergeticPhenom]

I don't want to make an assumption or anything here, but I didn't see brackets made for the rear calipers. So do the rear EVo8/9 calipers directly fit onto s14s?

[crzsteveo]

I'm surprised no one is doing a CTS-V rear caliper swap kit. Would be pretty beastly, IMO.

probably because theryre not widely available and if they are, there expensive.

[AzS13hatch]

Evo 8/9/10, STI, S60R and many others use the same caliper. It's the F50 and although the caliper is the same (brake pads are interchangeable) the mounting holes aren't in the same spots. I haven't seen many brackets for the STI calipers and I believe that is in part to the fact that most Subie guys think their cars are worth gold and the prices for used calipers reflect this. For basically the same thing you can expect to pay around $200 more for STI calipers than you will Evo. Evo X is almost identical mounting location, you just have to use the larger rotors and drill out the holes on the brackets a little. You will have to run an 18 inch wheel if you do this tho, I've seen some 17's fit over but its very rare.

[eek]

Here is the ORIGINAL thread on the STI caliper mod. The OP originally had a pic showing the dimensions needed for the custom bracket.

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=93748

I know this doesn't really help, but it was the only pic I could locate of the original dimensions of the bracket needed for the sti front brembo. I'll see if I can dig up the one you can actually read.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRm4exZ4VRbMbCSX1ARcwk6dk_3g075 K8qSAZZMLvK866twFT3

I would also check with this OP of this thread maybe he can still make a bracket for you or give you the dimensions you need to make your own.
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=275048

[ManoNegra]

If memory serves me right:
- the hole locations between Evo and STI calipers is slightly different
- the thickness of the bracket is also different (you can circumvent this to a degree by using old pads)
- the hardware is also different, STI uses a less common diameter and pitch on their bolts
so the bracket needs to be properly tapped for the application.
- both calipers have a small and larger piston. smaller piston meets direction of rotor rotation first on EVO and opposite on STI. This is for pad wear and pedal feel. May not matter much but the Evo calipers are the 'correct' configuration.

More info on the thread above and the one I made for the brackets years ago.

[RalliartRsX]

.........So in essence, why bother running a STI caliper other than bling.....

Yep!

My complete 1.62"/350Z Wilwood setup with 2 sets of pads was LESS than just for a set of FRONT STI brembo calipers..........Not to mention the pad price for STIs are 2-3 times as much as a Wilwood Superlite pad.......

[spooled240]

evo calipers are a lot cheaper, but they usually need to be repainted.

[AzS13hatch]

Repaint is cosmetic and can be done very cheaply and still proper. I have Evo calipers on my S13 and stock rear calipers both with Hawk HP+ pads. They grab harder than I could ever need with such a light car. I'm still working on adjusting the proportioning to get the feel I want but can easily lock all 4 tires.

[eek]

The Wilwood superlite setup is lighter and we all know it works well. One thing is the fact it does not have dust seals, meaning more frequent rebuilds. Parts need to be ordered online meaning I have to wait for the parts to come in.

STI/EVO brembo setup Pros:
*OEM quality have factory dust boots meaning virtually maintenance free
*OEM part meaning I can go to any auto parts store or dealer to get pads/rotors/parts pretty much same day.
*Variety of pads/rotors to choose from.
*BLING factor. Everyone wants something on their car that looks nice

Cons:
*2x the weight compared to Wilwood superlites
*Price of STI calipers are rather high. Evo brembos can be had for a lot less tho

Just depends on what your purpose is. If your building a all out track car and don't put many miles on the car and need every lil bit of weight to be shredded off, the wilwood setup will probably work out great. If you daily the car and want a hassle free setup and not looking to rebuild your calipers all the time, the appeal of an OEM brake setup is pretty strong.

At the end of the day who cares, its a brake upgrade and it works. Everyone has different needs, wants, budgets and so on, if everyone were to rock Wilwood superlites it be a pretty boring scene out there to see everyone rocking the same thing.

[RalliartRsX]

The Wilwood superlite setup is lighter and we all know it works well. One thing is the fact it does not have dust seals, meaning more frequent rebuilds. Parts need to be ordered online meaning I have to wait for the parts to come in.

STI/EVO brembo setup Pros:
*OEM quality have factory dust boots meaning virtually maintenance free
*OEM part meaning I can go to any auto parts store or dealer to get pads/rotors/parts pretty much same day.
*Variety of pads/rotors to choose from.
*BLING factor. Everyone wants something on their car that looks nice

Cons:
*2x the weight compared to Wilwood superlites
*Price of STI calipers are rather high. Evo brembos can be had for a lot less tho





I am going to have to clear up a fairly large amount of misinformation in this post regarding Wilwoods

1) Wilwoods use Stainless Steel pistons, negating the need for dust boots. HOWEVER, the Wilwoods themselves do have SEALS! Also, rubber dust boots the OEM uses have a tendancy to disintigrate after a few hard hours of track usage as the heat is concentrated around the pad area (right at the location of the "RUBBER" dust boost) necessiating more rebuilds than the Wilwoods. This also translates into not worrying about the piston pitting or having any corrosion even in daily use.
2) Brembo/STI calipers pads cost roughly 2-3 times as much as the Wilwood equivalent.
3) Although a cosmetic issues, after a few hard heat cycles, the color on the brembos behind to either get heat distortion or simply flake off entirely.
4) You can get 350Z brembo rotors just as easily as any Evo or STI from any autoparts store last I checked.......
5) You can get pads from any shop or performance area. NASCAR and support races use Wilwoods almost exclusively, so you can always grab a set from almost any teams for nickels on the dollar.

For a street car however, who sees fairly an insignificant amount track time, the brembos are a fantastic choice! I just cannot fathom the idea (especially with the cost of pads and rotors) of the extra running costs of the Brembos in my case.

I get Wilwood pads for less than $90 brand new (track pads are a little over $100), where the equivalent Brembo will be $200 for street pads and almost $300 for track pads!!! :eek:

So essentially, running costs (for people who ocassionally track thier vehicles) of the Brembo over the lifetime (for me) far exceeds my low maintenance Wilwoods.