Output Shaft Dilemma.

[brianglawson]

Hey guys, I have an R200 VLSD I'm trying to get installed in my 1997 S14

My car does not have ABS and is a manual.

The R200 VLSD that came with my car I believe is off an overseas car. It came from Jspec in Richmond, and was included with my car when I purchased it.

It has 5 bolt axle flanges on it and is at least a 4.08/4.11.. Just counting revolutions. I wonder if it may even be a 4.36

It does not have the ABS extension on the snout, and the output shafts do not have ABS rings around them.

The output I bought from a Zilvia Member were supposed to be VLSD output shafts.

I have yet to get my stubborn short shaft out, but I have got the long shaft out and I have a problem. The new output shaft was longer than the old one by a little bit. I am able to get it in the diff, good and locked in, but the slinger, or the ring at the base is sitting about 1/4 off of the side of the diff housing....

What diff do I have, am I ever going to find output shafts?? what should they be from? I believe I have J30 VLSD 6 bolt output shafts here.

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[QuickSpoolSR]

u could always get some 5 bolt axles make life easy

[brianglawson]

u could always get some 5 bolt axles make life easy

I cant find any 5 bolt axles, period.. not even remans...

[zurud]

You can find 5 bolt axles from junkyard or autoparts store for j30 , pre 95 I think . Or ebay from 180sx .

[brianglawson]

Parts stores only have one of one side (AutoZone) others don't have them. . Local junkers don't have them either

[dorkidori_s13]

cut the long one to fit... all nissan R200 rear ends use standard 29 spline shafts, some are just longer than others. the ONLY output shafts that CANNOT be used are S15 and R34 HLSD shafts as they are 30 spline.

[brianglawson]

That wouldn't work, its not longer on the end, its longer down near the base

[dorkidori_s13]

youre gonna need to hit a junkyard and pull output shafts from a J30t (standard J30s were open diff) if you dont want to start cutting/trimming output shafts.

im assuming your s14 has 5 bolt axles? if it doesnt, just go grab some 6 bolt output shafts and start shaving them down to fit your rear end.

[brianglawson]

My s14 has 6 bolt axles, my lsd has 5 bolt.

I just purchased j30 vlsd axles. And one is too long, unless they aren't what they are supposed to be?

Can someone verify that what I received was, in fact, vlsd axles?

[dorkidori_s13]

My s14 has 6 bolt axles, my lsd has 5 bolt.

I just purchased j30 vlsd axles. And one is too long, unless they aren't what they are supposed to be?

Can someone verify that what I received was, in fact, vlsd axles?

again, why i keep saying cut down one of the stock output shafts to fit the diff. use your 6 bolt output shafts and cut/shave the insides down (the parts that actually go INTO the diff). the taper really doesnt matter much as long as you have the correct number of splines (which you do) and the correct length.

[brianglawson]

Look at the pictures, the distance between the end and the last machined oil slinger is the same. ..its the piece after that's a different length, the one that butts up against the mounting flange

[dorkidori_s13]

all 1990s R200 output shafts are pretty much the same length on the outside of the shaft where they bolt up to the axles (the axles themselves are different lengths). there are a few that are SLIGHTLY shorter on one side, but the major differences are the internal splined shafts. the internal bit that goes into the diff have different lengths for different cars. the outside of output shafts themselves are almost all the same outside of being 5 bolt or 6 bolt. you will need to cut down the internal shaft if you dont feel like finding one to fit or want to swap axles.

just go grab 2 output shafts from an open diff S13, cut down the one that doesnt fit, slap it all together and go drifting!

[brianglawson]

Id really like to know if these shafts that were sold to me were vlsd shafts or not so I know whether to file a PayPal claim

[dorkidori_s13]

they ARE VLSD shafts (seeing as there no VLSD specific shafts for R200 rear ends, only HLSD specific shafts), however, they require modification and probably werent S14 VLSD specific.

[e1_griego]

I have a pair of s14 vlsd output shafts that I'll snap a pic of tonight.

It's only long and one short (probably the style you need).

[brianglawson]

Yea. The ones I bought were one short and one long. He said they were vlsd shafts.

I have read that only other vlsd shafts will work in vlsds

If you could measure yours that would be great

[dorkidori_s13]

VLSD shafts are not specific for VLSD brian... the ONLY VLSD shafts that are diff specific are the Helical shafts because theyre 30 spline. all other shaft can be easily modified to work with VLSD if they dont fit properly.

[brianglawson]

The issue here is getting lost... Im really trying to figure out if the guy sold me NON LSD shafts or LSD shafts.... If they were VLSD shafts, it seems to me they would fit. I see that people "cut down" non VLSD shafts to make them work, but in the same post there is always someone saying that VLSD shafts swap between each other and that Non-VLSD don't.

I obviously want to know how to make this work, SOOOoo that's why I tried to buy 6 bolt output shafts from a VLSD diff. BUT at the same time, I want to file a paypal claim if this guy just sold me standard open diff 6 bolt output shafts... Make sense?

http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/s13-240sx-89-94/9047-r200-300zx-into-s13-problem.html

[brianglawson]

Here is what the long shaft looks like in there.....

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I guess im just going to look for some 5 bolt axles now... Im suspecting this is a really low geared rear end... I really want taller gears, at least 3.90s, but im thinking these are 4.36's

Ultimately I guess I want to grab a Helical S15 diff and go with some 3.90's.. right now, I have blown my budget and just really want two rear wheels spinning!!

[KAT-PWR]

I have a 5 bolt j30 diff
I took 6 bolt half shafts out of my buddies blown r33 gtst diff
I am having the same issue

[brianglawson]

I have a 5 bolt j30 diff
I took 6 bolt half shafts out of my buddies blown r33 gtst diff
I am having the same issue

KAT-PWR, hey, we might be in luck, maybe you have what I need and I have what you need! Can you measure your shafts? I absolutely have 6 bolt j30 vlsd shafts, which should definitely for you. Maybe yours are the right length for me. I'm going to pm you my phone number. Shoot me a text and let's see what each other has.

[brianglawson]

bump.... never did figure this out... I'm about to sell these shafts to someone who can use them otherwise...

dorkidori 13: I see what you're saying, but a lot of reading I've done says otherwise, that there are VLSD shafts and non-VLSD shafts

[Albert_Trd]

I just picked up a r32 gtst diff supposedly and has no output shafts. Will these work? Trying to swap them into the s14