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vanish1

10-02-2014, 05:12 AM

Truth be told 2002's were not the best. The Datsun 510 kicked its ass up and down the street for years on end. So the first post was sadly misguided. Now if he had said the E30 M3 or E36 M3 he would have been on point.

2002 is the correct car for the initial post. The neue klasse range of cars that spawned during the era essentially brought BMW into its golden age. 2002, e9 coupe, 1800/2000 coupes/sedans.

its has the strongest following for BMW classics and is extremely iconic.

15 year production span from the 60s-70s, over 900,000 built, its the one classic BMW you will see show up at any meet or event, baby boomer gen loves them (and so does the new gen!)

e30 m3/e36 m3 too low of production #s to have the same on the ground impact the 2002 had.

andddddd the M10 which powered everythinnggggg back then was the basis for the s14 which is found in the e30 m3.....

love this vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZyWuXfQbxM

drift freaq

10-02-2014, 12:16 PM

2002 is the correct car for the initial post. The neue klasse range of cars that spawned during the era essentially brought BMW into its golden age. 2002, e9 coupe, 1800/2000 coupes/sedans.

its has the strongest following for BMW classics and is extremely iconic.

15 year production span from the 60s-70s, over 900,000 built, its the one classic BMW you will see show up at any meet or event, baby boomer gen loves them (and so does the new gen!)

e30 m3/e36 m3 too low of production #s to have the same on the ground impact the 2002 had.

andddddd the M10 which powered everythinnggggg back then was the basis for the s14 which is found in the e30 m3.....

love this vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZyWuXfQbxM

Sure it started everything and sold well. It does not make it the best and it was never viewed that way outside of BMW fandom .

Whereas as the E36 literally was voted the best car for ten years running and the E36 M3 was actually stated by many publications to be one of the best handling cars in the world. It also has the track wins to prove it. On the flip side sure the 2002 sold a lot but it gots its ass kicked on the track repeatedly.

Plain and simple. The opening statement was poorly written with the intention of setting off a debate. Let's just say S14DB is most likely snickering right now becuase he knew he was talking smack.
If he had siad is a thread about BMW's and their heritage started by the iconic 2002 it would have been absolutely correct.

Sure BMW started the Sport Sedan or saloon sports car segment with the 2002 but that does not automatically make it the best.
Nissan went and built the 510 and it just destroyed the 2002 in so many ways. The mistake Nissan made is not exactly sticking to the Formula like BMW did.

Oh and Nissan brought the formula back with the S and R chassis. In fact E36's and R/ S chassis rear suspensions are strangely alike. Had the R32 been a world car it would have compared equally to a E36 as well.

Yet none the less the opening statement is incorrect and inflammatory.

vanish1

10-02-2014, 12:40 PM

the opening statement isnt as cut and dry as youre making it out to be, its not suppose to be.

one of the most loyal groups of BMW enthusiasts is the 2002 crowd, for them their heart beats for nothing else, you can not convince them otherwise.

Just like there are a whole new group of BMW enthusiasts who swear off all new BMWs because of eps, increased electronics, etc.

this is why although factually untrue the opening statement might be, its actually quite spot on in regards to the BMW scene

GabeS14

10-02-2014, 01:29 PM

Alignements on this bitch is hell....
I could eye ball my alignement at home with the S14 and it would drive smooth...
loosen up one suspension arm on this thing and it drives like a snake on crack...lol
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1098215&d=1412128098

ps:
I wouldnt mind having an E30 and swapping an RB26...:)

simmode1

10-04-2014, 09:48 PM

^^^Very nice. Loving it. Liberty Walk is making me want one more and more every day.... http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3720/9423216536_69e68fb225_b.jpg

simmode1

10-04-2014, 09:55 PM

Hey guys... I've been hearing all this talk about how great the E36 M3 is, but I'm wondering what the consensus is about a turbo E36 325i or 328i? Someone once told me they handled boost well, but I' haven't come across any info on the strength of the factory blocks and internals... I'm always on the lookout for good bang for you buck projects & this caught my eye... How would you merit a turbo 325i E36 build versus something like an S13 KA-T build? http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/3e/85/e83e8555d23e3384b4ced55cbb784467.jpg</p>

kingkilburn

10-05-2014, 01:31 AM

When in doubt, throw an LS in it. lol

drift freaq

10-05-2014, 01:46 AM

Honestly you can score E36 M3's for great prices now and the 95 engines were 86x85.5bore and stroke and 86.4x89.6 for 3.2 S52.
Which means they are very smooth revving machines. Now the other thing to keep in mind is all the tidbits you get on the M that is not on the stock E36's like limited slip diffs all different suspension arms , bigger stock swaybars etc...

If you are thinking non M do not bother with a 325 as they are dogs. The 328 on the other hand is an interesting compromise it's engine has the same bore and stroke as an SR! It also sports more torque than the 325 engine.

Though again 328's are later model and sell for only a thousand or two less than you can find M's for and right now you can buy M's for anywhere from $3500 and up depending on condition , title status etc..

Oh and one of the hot swaps to do if you have the money is an E46 M3 engine with ecu and harness as it's pretty much another 100 hp and puts the car on par with the E36 euro M3 which came with 321 hp stock.

Oh and any turbo kit or Supercharger setup is going to run anywhere from $2500 at the cheapest to $5k

The deal right now in the BMW world is indeed E36 M3's.

vanish1

10-05-2014, 08:02 AM

Hey guys... I've been hearing all this talk about how great the E36 M3 is, but I'm wondering what the consensus is about a turbo E36 325i or 328i? Someone once told me they handled boost well, but I' haven't come across any info on the strength of the factory blocks and internals... I'm always on the lookout for good bang for you buck projects & this caught my eye... How would you merit a turbo 325i E36 build versus something like an S13 KA-T build?

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2044420-e36-turbo-build-questions-is-the-m50-worth-it-rebuilding-and-tuning-questions

good thread to answer your Qs

in regards to boost w/ ppl who have actual budgets, m50 or m52 is your best bet, theyre stupid cheap compared to the premium a S motor commands.

vanish1

10-05-2014, 08:08 AM

The deal right now in the BMW world is indeed E36 M3's.

+1 I cant imagine them bottoming out for too much longer before they go on the upswing

e34 M5 is also at its bottom pricing as well, too few built to remain where it is.

also seems like the e24 and e31 are bottoming out currently as well

simmode1

10-05-2014, 08:34 PM

Great feedback, guys. I took a quick look at my local CL and saw that E36 M3's now go for about the same price one might expect for a well prepped S13 with a mild SR. Not bad.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2044420-e36-turbo-build-questions-is-the-m50-worth-it-rebuilding-and-tuning-questions

good thread to answer your Qs

in regards to boost w/ ppl who have actual budgets, m50 or m52 is your best bet, theyre stupid cheap compared to the premium a S motor commands.
Looks like an OBDI E36 328i is the way to go for a relatively inexpensive DIY turbo project. Sounds a little bit stronger than a KA-T on power production potential.

vanish1

10-05-2014, 10:15 PM

yea np its fun

things to note w/ the e36 esp the m3 is the cooling system and suspension. they are perishable items on the car and knowing if they have been serviced or not is $$ saved or lost. Little things to note also, like if the tool kit is complete or how many keys are being sold w/ the car, $60 for a chipped key :0 otherwise

for example id rather have a e36 m3 w/ 160,000 miles on it w/ everything serviced vs one w/ 80,000 miles w/ nothing serviced.

find a 328 or 325 for the cheap, swap over m3 suspension and chassis reinforcement, lsd possible if its a s model or swap in guts, throw boost at it

bmwvin.com if you wanna see what options came w/ the car youre looking at.

simmode1

10-06-2014, 10:06 AM

If i were to go the turbo E36 328i route, I would definitely cannibalize the M3 for anything that the aftermarket doesn't already do better.

Oh and any turbo kit or Supercharger setup is going to run anywhere from $2500 at the cheapest to $5k
Yeah, it certainly is more pricey than a KA-T setup... Worth factoring into considerations.

gearhead55

10-12-2014, 01:38 AM

vanish1

10-12-2014, 01:04 PM

Anyone have experience with E39 M5s? I have lusted over them since learning to drive stick on my dad's 540i. Prices are now sub 20k. My main concern is the ridiculous maintenance costs.

Ive seen a few in the 10-12k range, they needed some lovin but the price of entry might be worth getting to join the club.

S62 is an impressive motor, a V8 with ITBs from the factory, so much win.

as long as all the electronics are in order then youre only going to be dealing with your scheduled suspension refreshing and engine maintenance.

gearhead55

10-12-2014, 03:03 PM

Ive seen a few in the 10-12k range, they needed some lovin but the price of entry might be worth getting to join the club.

S62 is an impressive motor, a V8 with ITBs from the factory, so much win.

as long as all the electronics are in order then youre only going to be dealing with your scheduled suspension refreshing and engine maintenance.

I checked out one before i bought my NB, it was 10k and it was a fucking dog. All the clean ones seem to be going for about 20k, which honestly is not bad for the caliber of car it is. The price of cleaning these things up is so ridiculous i'd rather pick up a clean, low mileage one than something that needs lovin'.

Suspension wise i'll probably go coilovers and replace bushings at the same time. I'm just worried about VANOS maintenance.

simmode1

10-12-2014, 05:25 PM

This thread desperately needs more pics. It is failing badly. C'mon guys. Post some inspiration.
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vanish1

10-12-2014, 05:45 PM

I checked out one before i bought my NB, it was 10k and it was a fucking dog. All the clean ones seem to be going for about 20k, which honestly is not bad for the caliber of car it is. The price of cleaning these things up is so ridiculous i'd rather pick up a clean, low mileage one than something that needs lovin'.

Suspension wise i'll probably go coilovers and replace bushings at the same time. I'm just worried about VANOS maintenance.

well to be fair unless you get a ppi done and see a stack of receipts the 20k one might not be a better buy than the 10k one.

gotta work out the #s sometimes, 10k car with 10k in new parts might be a viable path.

and yeah it sucks when the VANOS is going but its one of those things where once its done and over with you dont gotta worry about it for a very long time.

either way good chance youre going to come out on top bc it will def become a collectors item with future appreciation happening.

vanish1

10-12-2014, 07:06 PM

some personal pics ive snapped this past year:
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vanish1

10-12-2014, 07:28 PM

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gearhead55

10-12-2014, 07:30 PM

well to be fair unless you get a ppi done and see a stack of receipts the 20k one might not be a better buy than the 10k one.

gotta work out the #s sometimes, 10k car with 10k in new parts might be a viable path.

and yeah it sucks when the VANOS is going but its one of those things where once its done and over with you dont gotta worry about it for a very long time.

either way good chance youre going to come out on top bc it will def become a collectors item with future appreciation happening.

true my man. also that clown shoe you posted is looking pretty good too. My girl is pushing for something more practical than my miata. A m coupe might just be enough more practical to suffice. choices choices

turbronegro

10-12-2014, 09:49 PM

e30gangsta

10-12-2014, 10:07 PM

I love pretty much anything e46 e60 and back. Although the new 435m sport has my attention.

vanish1

10-12-2014, 10:13 PM

I love pretty much anything e46 e60 and back. Although the new 435m sport has my attention.

yeah I like e46 and back not a fan of the E60 except m5 w/ the V10

truth be told I would be drooling over new bmws, the F platform looks downright MEAN, but all the electronics and direct injection turns me off

saw a m235i cruising along 80+ the other day on the highway looks so good.

drift freaq

10-12-2014, 11:07 PM

Whew you fanboys!

Original post was comparing BMW vs BMW. No hint of a Datsun/Nissan anywhere.
Wow were does,this bullshit come from. Oh and original statement was a stated commentnot comparing BMW to BMW but a deliberately false statement intended to start an inflamatory debate for the sake of The OP's enjoyment.

Essentially he trolled the thread. Of course, we entertained him for the fun. Now If you can't decipher that then you are lost. I did speak truth and fact. Sorry it offended you maybe you should learn more about car racing history. No. Fanboy shit just pure fact and history.

Oh snap I own a moddedM3 4/5 as well! Kinda shuts your comment down hard.

You should really learn who someone is before calling them a fanboy.

turbronegro

10-13-2014, 01:06 AM

vanish1

10-13-2014, 06:12 AM

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51502&d=1162085525
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simmode1

10-13-2014, 08:15 AM

I like the E36 line as an inexpensive toy car... but if I'm looking for a daily driver with fun potential, I definitely gotta go with the e92 335i coupe. Looks so gorgeous to me. Stomping do the highway with over 400whp (after a few inexpensive mods) in that thing would put a smile on my face and I'd be glad to finally stop attracting penises like my 240 does.

So I've heard you guys raving that the 128i is the last 'heritage' BMW in terms of handling characteristics... What makes it so? Does it not have electric power steering like the 135i & 335i?

I have seen ppl swapping over e90 M3 bushings and steering racks (and leaving some sensors unplugged) to improve the steering feel on the 335i. What keeps the 135i from attaining the same lauded steering feel that the 128i has?

turbronegro

10-13-2014, 08:23 AM

drift freaq pwned you lololololol

http://i.imgur.com/LAbHeHt.jpg?1

vanish1

10-13-2014, 08:55 AM

posting a picture doesnt change anything.

So I've heard you guys raving that the 128i is the last 'heritage' BMW in terms of handling characteristics... What makes it so? Does it not have electric power steering like the 135i & 335i?

I have seen ppl swapping over e90 M3 bushings and steering racks (and leaving some sensors unplugged) to improve the steering feel on the 335i. What keeps the 135i from attaining the same lauded steering feel that the 128i has?

128i uses a hydraulic rack.

this is a fun thread.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=468714

gets good around page 3 and on

turbronegro

10-13-2014, 10:20 AM

Berry berry mad lol

GabeS14

10-13-2014, 01:54 PM

Can we not bring that, powning garbage, and telling people off into this thread?
Here is mine from this past weekend, fuku burger meet in Vegas.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1102462&d=1412903490

gearhead55

10-13-2014, 05:52 PM

Give us some more pics Gabe. looks good

kingkilburn

10-13-2014, 05:56 PM

How does this thread already need cleaned up?

http://i.imgur.com/dmFYk0R.jpg

simmode1

10-13-2014, 07:35 PM

128i uses a hydraulic rack.

this is a fun thread.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=468714

gets good around page 3 and on

Jesus... I got about 12 pages in and that thread just about sucked the life out of me. Blah blah its not an e36 m3 blah blah blah. Don't care. C'mon man... We're 240 guys. We don't accept cars as they are. We change them into what we want them to be... I want to know who has started to address the widely acknowledged shortcomings of the 135i/335i and what have they done to fix them. So we know that the 128i has a hydraulic pump while the 135i is electric. Great. Knowing is half the battle, right? Anyone fucking tried swapping them out? Or seeing if it would work on the 3 series?

J3123MY

10-13-2014, 08:24 PM

Jesus... I got about 12 pages in and that thread just about sucked the life out of me. Blah blah its not an e36 m3 blah blah blah. Don't care. C'mon man... We're 240 guys. We don't accept cars as they are. We change them into what we want them to be... I want to know who has started to address the widely acknowledged shortcomings of the 135i/335i and what have they done to fix them. So we know that the 128i has a hydraulic pump while the 135i is electric. Great. Knowing is half the battle, right? Anyone fucking tried swapping them out? Or seeing if it would work on the 3 series?

lol. true. other car forums suck.

simmode1

10-13-2014, 08:52 PM

^^^From the outside looking in... Its like the majority of them don't turn wrenches themselves so certain interchangeability or retrofit questions just never even enter their mind or something... It's just 'take-your-mostly-stock-car-to-the-autocross-and-commence-circlejerking'. They just don't seem very knowledgeable to me. I just can't believe that some of the crazy German tuner shops have left comsumer's gripes completely unadressed.

kingkilburn

10-13-2014, 09:59 PM

gearhead55

10-14-2014, 12:07 AM

This is why I always felt that the older S chassis scene is the most like the old hotrod and muscle car culture from back in the day. We fix our own cars and build them up where the factory maybe didn't do the best job they could have.

Most of these other car scenes just pat themselves on the back for having the proper know how to buy the best car ever(in their opinion) but don't know what to do beyond that. Guys doing heavy mods to turn better track times or get better fitment get talked down to and looked sideways at.

Totally. Our mindset regarding these cars is definitely the same as hot rodders from the 50s and 60s; take a cheap older lightweight chassis and modify it to be faster than the newest expensive car on the streets. Thats why the '32 ford became so popular, it was basically the lightest chassis available. It's different nowadays because hot rods have become so crazy expensive. That mindset has been replaced by the show car/collector car mindset. We are the modern hot rodders. An RB in a s13 is the modern '32 with a 302 Windsor.

turbronegro

10-14-2014, 01:17 AM

I'd RB26 a '32 Ford. I'd do it all day and night.

gearhead55

10-14-2014, 01:54 AM

haha I would too

vanish1

10-14-2014, 09:07 AM

that link is from the e36 m3 subforum on m3f, e36 m3 is seen as a benchmark car because of its great combo of road feel, usage as a real car in daily life, and racing acumen.

alot of ppl get hopped on em for different reasons, same reasons why car & driver did back when:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1033549-E36-M3-Best-Handling-Car&p=13448095#post13448095

simmode and kingkilburn I wouldnt be so quick to make judgments like that.

bmw scene is big and multi-faceted; poor folk, rich folk, oem fetish ppl, track peeps, boost monsters, hard parkers, drag strip heads, dd sleepers, its all there.

diff scca classes, lots of track enthusiasts.

bmwcca is a great car club, the monthly magazine they print is worth the price of the membership by itself.

theres all kinds of swaps, retrofits, modding, factory race parts you can order from BMW for your e-peen

for some chassis there are diys on almost everything, most of them published by part outlets (pelican parts, bavauto, etc).

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/
http://www.bimmerworld.com/
http://www.akgmotorsport.com/
http://www.achillesmotorsports.com/
http://store.uucmotorwerks.com/uuc/articles/main.htm
http://www.rebmw.com/
www.ecstuning.com

tons of other tuning sites beyond those

bfc is a great all around bmw forum its got everything
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/forum.php

and then I havent even mentioned the OG in this all the European scene...

simmode1

10-14-2014, 09:50 AM

vanish1

10-14-2014, 10:59 PM

^^^Good info. I'm just perplexed because it seems like some potentially great platforms (on paper) are getting panned because of little issues like EPS, HPFP, DI Carbon buildup & check engine lights. I'm looking for solutions & I'm not finding them. It's like that community just gave up or something. It's been 7 years since the 135/335 dropped, for chist's sake!

well the tuning aspect is all very interesting and that was what I was perplexed about when I moved from 240s to bmws

I didnt understand why there were no cheap standalones or entry level tuning for them, for example there is no such thing like nistune for bmws, OBDI folks can run megasquirt though.

the conclusion I came to was unlike american and japanese ecus, for some reason bmw has made their ecu's basically impossible to crack/decode.

there is no real open source of info, all the major tuners keep their stuff private forcing users to rely on chips and propriety tunes.

apparently the stock ecu can handle all diff kinds of tunes, it has that robust of a cpu on board but tuners dont want to divulge how and why nor does the basic information exist to allow someone to try tuning their bmw on their own.

its the one part of of the community which drives me up a wall

yea besides w/e tunes from tuners cobb tuning makes a device for the e8x and e9x

vanish1

10-14-2014, 11:02 PM

vargas turbo makes a upgraded hpfp for the n54
http://performance.vargasturbo.com/bmw-products/n54/

carbon buildup from DI theres no way around it except pulling the intake mani and walnut blasting the valves.

BOROSUN

10-18-2014, 10:29 PM

new to the game. recently got a E91. who makes aftermarket for this car? I always get pointed to E90 stuff.

drift freaq

10-19-2014, 12:47 PM

Boy you take things too seriously. I know exactly who you are but you don't know who i am. And that doesn't even matter. Nor if I'm serious. Fortunately i know plenty about racing and the history of the 510 and 2002, which i prefer a 510 anyway. I got into cars because of the 510 and Z cars as a young boy, so I'm def a fanboy.

Better calibrate your interweb sarcasm detector. Or not, fanboy!

Woah woah lol , you know exactly who I am great. It still does not mean you know me as a person. No worries man, fact is ya sarcasm is hard to convey on the Internet. A lol or a J/k or some kind of smiley emoji would have indicated better you were being sarcastic. my second car in high school and first sporty car was a 510 and my next car after was a 240z. Yet I don't call myself a fanboy nor have I ever been. Reason is though I have liked Nissan a lot through the years I have criticized there decisions since the 70's . They have defied logic for a long time. They have routinely built cars I felt were ugly or not anything I would buy. Every so often bringing out cars I can really appreciate.
If I was a fan boy like you are calling yourself I would not own a E36 M3 and looking at buying a second one possibly. That is surely not most Nissan fanboys would do. Perhaps when I owned my 510 I was as I wanted a license plate that read 1EATBMW. lol
Do I have a love for some Nissan's, yes. Am I married to the brand no.
You choose to focus on me calling out the fanboy comment. What I was more. Focusing on is how you misinterpreted the original post starting this thread. At this point it's been coverd. So let's just move along.
I have no hard feelings towards you or your comments I was and am merely responding for clarifications sake.

vanish1

10-19-2014, 08:16 PM

new to the game. recently got a E91. who makes aftermarket for this car? I always get pointed to E90 stuff.

same car

e90 sedan
e91 touring
e92 coupe
e93 vert

realoem.com for part # cross referencing

---------------

pretty neat this guy breaking into the 8s w/ a full bmw setup

#%^!er is moving!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Q-9oDSXAI

simmode1

10-20-2014, 05:33 PM

pretty neat this guy breaking into the 8s w/ a full bmw setup

#%^!er is moving!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Q-9oDSXAI

Crazy! I keep reading that the 328i M52's stock internals should be solid up to around 550hp or so. Nice little step up from KA-Ts, but the M3's S52 seems like a 2JZ rivaling monster. The e36 328i is making me forget the S2000 & it's 600hp capable, forged internal F20/22C. Those cars just aren't coming down in price enough for my tastes, especially in comparison to the 350Z.

simmode1

10-20-2014, 05:59 PM

Nevermind about the 328i... Finding a manual, hardtop coupe seems impossible. M3's cheap enough to not even bother looking for an inferior unicorn...

vanish1

10-20-2014, 06:34 PM

Crazy! I keep reading that the 328i M52's stock internals should be solid up to around 550hp or so. Nice little step up from KA-Ts, but the M3's S52 seems like a 2JZ rivaling monster. The e36 328i is making me forget the S2000 & it's 600hp capable, forged internal F20/22C. Those cars just aren't coming down in price enough for my tastes, especially in comparison to the 350Z.

yea 90s bmws are pretty cheap atm. e34 is another cool rig to mod.

quite a few were produced and they have their quirks and older looks that would make ppl wanna get rid of them which is a good thing for someone trying to pick something for real cheap. (sub par interior quality, door handles breaking, window regulators, suspension you have to maintain)

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1991023-BF-c-FI-Big-Torque-Club-(-gt-500wtq-Dyno-Results)

Nevermind about the 328i... Finding a manual, hardtop coupe seems impossible. M3's cheap enough to not even bother looking for an inferior unicorn...

varying keywords are important if youre searching around, all diff kind of folks own e36s and bmws you would be surprised what ppl post as their headline for clist ads for ex.

there are quite a lot of differences and benefits between a standard 3 series and m3 to warrant paying extra for the ///M you just have to understand what youre getting into

such as the ever so real, '$10k rule' w/ e36 m3s

turbronegro

10-20-2014, 08:36 PM

Woah woah lol , you know exactly who I am great. It still does not mean you know me as a person. No worries man, fact is ya sarcasm is hard to convey on the Internet. A lol or a J/k or some kind of smiley emoji would have indicated better you were being sarcastic. my second car in high school and first sporty car was a 510 and my next car after was a 240z. Yet I don't call myself a fanboy nor have I ever been. Reason is though I have liked Nissan a lot through the years I have criticized there decisions since the 70's . They have defied logic for a long time. They have routinely built cars I felt were ugly or not anything I would buy. Every so often bringing out cars I can really appreciate.
If I was a fan boy like you are calling yourself I would not own a E36 M3 and looking at buying a second one possibly. That is surely not most Nissan fanboys would do. Perhaps when I owned my 510 I was as I wanted a license plate that read 1EATBMW. lol
Do I have a love for some Nissan's, yes. Am I married to the brand no.
You choose to focus on me calling out the fanboy comment. What I was more. Focusing on is how you misinterpreted the original post starting this thread. At this point it's been coverd. So let's just move along.
I have no hard feelings towards you or your comments I was and am merely responding for clarifications sake.

I think we have two different meanings to the word fanboy.

You're right about the sarcasm thing, 2nd thought on the emoji or lol would've worked out.

I've had just about everything under the sun as far as cars. I wish i could stick to a brand but im just too crazy. I'm currently trying to put together a S52 swap Starion ^_^ but I have two 79 Mercedes in the way. I'm still a huge fan of the 510 though.

But, understood!

simmode1

10-21-2014, 11:40 AM

such as the ever so real, '$10k rule' w/ e36 m3s

Care to elborate on this rule? Is it: either plan to buy to $10k car with all the maintenance done or buy a cheap one & plan to spend $10k taking care if it's maintenance issues?

gearhead55

10-21-2014, 01:19 PM

Now I am looking at B5 S4 audis. these things are making 400+ hp on "stage 3" upgraded K04 turbos.

I swear I have automotive ADD.

S14DB

10-21-2014, 04:22 PM

Now I am looking at B5 S4 audis. these things are making 400+ hp on "stage 3" upgraded K04 turbos.

I swear I have automotive ADD.
And still popping turbos. Best thing is to get rid off the KKK's.
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-224&Category_Code=VVWTK

But, this thread was to move the BMW talk out of other threads. Let's not clutter this one up with other make talk.

vanish1

10-21-2014, 05:26 PM

Care to elborate on this rule? Is it: either plan to buy to $10k car with all the maintenance done or buy a cheap one & plan to spend $10k taking care if it's maintenance issues?

bingo. Expect to spend $10k on a e36 m3, whether its a 4k car that needs 6k in work or a 10k car thats been cared for. The cooling system and suspension has to be routinely maintained.

silviasandbeer

10-21-2014, 05:27 PM

@GEARHEAD make sure its a 6 speed... you dont want the TCM issues that come with the auto. 2000$ fix

ON TOPIC!

why is the e46 disliked by so many in the BMW world
i think its BMW's finest M3 design to date. dont get me wrong, i love the e36 and want one some day, i just dont get it haha

e90s make a great DD. the 325i seems so well built and the 6cyl is buttery smooth
its pretty silly that BMW didnt give it a dip stick so your pretty much putting your eggs in one basket by trusting the oil level sensor
engine temp on the cluster would be nice too

vanish1

10-21-2014, 05:46 PM

why is the e46 disliked by so many in the BMW world
i think its BMW's finest M3 design to date. dont get me wrong, i love the e36 and want one some day, i just dont get it haha

e90s make a great DD. the 325i seems so well built and the 6cyl is buttery smooth
its pretty silly that BMW didnt give it a dip stick so your pretty much putting your eggs in one basket by trusting the oil level sensor
engine temp on the cluster would be nice too

E46 gets a lot of love it has its fair share of pros and cons. Much more refined than the E36, better interior, ewsIII can be a con, increased electronics over the E36

E46 M3 is classic, theyve been holding their value pretty well just recently has the lower end of that market dipped below $10k for the ones that need work, smg model, or rebuilt title.

S54 is a great motor, a lot of people have swapped that into their E36 over the euro S50B32

simmode1

10-21-2014, 05:48 PM

bingo. Expect to spend $10k on a e36 m3, whether its a 4k car that needs 6k in work or a 10k car thats been cared for. The cooling system and suspension has to be routinely maintained.

That certainly is something to consider. One could find an E36 M3 at roughly the same price as a cared for S14. Gotta weigh out which you'd be happier with after pouring another $6k into it... Hmmm. For a total of $10k, you could pretty easily have an S14 with a BPU SR20 on coils & replica wheels (if you're into that) or a relatively stock, but reliable E36 M3. It's tough to beat the 240 in a battle of which is the better bang for your buck.

Goofs

10-21-2014, 05:59 PM

New to the chassis as well. Picked up an E90 sedan in the spring.

Buying this guys wheels as soon as payday comes around.

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss355/BMS15/e90.jpg (http://s591.photobucket.com/user/BMS15/media/e90.jpg.html)

gearhead55

10-21-2014, 06:41 PM

@GEARHEAD make sure its a 6 speed... you dont want the TCM issues that come with the auto. 2000$ fix

Yea i was reading that. I'd only want a 6 spd anyway.

And still popping turbos. Best thing is to get rid off the KKK's.
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-VVW-224&Category_Code=VVWTK

But, this thread was to move the BMW talk out of other threads. Let's not clutter this one up with other make talk.

Too much turbo lag for my tastes

I'll keep it on topic now, my bad!

New to the chassis as well. Picked up an E90 sedan in the spring.

Buying this guys wheels as soon as payday comes around.

Looks good man. What is that color called?

vanish1

10-21-2014, 07:52 PM

That certainly is something to consider. One could find an E36 M3 at roughly the same price as a cared for S14. Gotta weigh out which you'd be happier with after pouring another $6k into it... Hmmm. For a total of $10k, you could pretty easily have an S14 with a BPU SR20 on coils & replica wheels (if you're into that) or a relatively stock, but reliable E36 M3. It's tough to beat the 240 in a battle of which is the better bang for your buck.

Ive owned a s13 and s14 in the past. At the time I thought they were great, I still think they are.

now owning the e36 even with how outdated the car is to me in my opinion its still ahead of 240s in regards to refinement.

idk if I would ever own a 240 again if only for nostalgic reasons, I want a s30 first, its my fav car from datsun/nissan I have always dreamed of owning one.

moving on from 240s I really havent looked back, all the different rwd platforms bmw has to offer makes my mind race w/ the diff possibilities.

I would also say in regards to money youre gonna see a better return on your investment w/ the ///M than the S14. Thats just speculation on my part idk what the futures market looks like w/ s14s in regards to their production #s vs the amount lost over the years.

pic of the leather restoration I did on my seats bc I felt like a jabroney having bobo vaders.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/VanishS14/vaderdriverb4after.jpg

Jsal32

10-21-2014, 09:09 PM

Are those vader seats recovered/re-dyed/re-worked the same leather?

If its the original leather it looks pretty awesome in pictures. Is it as good in person?.....and if so, how the hell did you get them that way?

Btw, I own an e36 328i 4/5 and it's great.

RWD - check
Manual - check
A/C - check
Decent power for dd - check
4 doors (if you have a family, which I do) - check
Even decent mpg - check

My only pet peeve is that it doesn't have tilt steering wheel and it's high mileage so the interior is kind of beat. Other than that, awesome ride.

-Jose

vanish1

10-21-2014, 10:19 PM

I used the leather dye kit from furniture clinic, comes w/ paint and a clear coat, the clear ended up being slightly shinier than the stock matte.

eventually I want to swap out my vaders for some bride eurosters

what color is your e36, ever thought about sourcing a clean interior from a vendor?

pull the headliner, purchase a few yards of real alacantra from gulf fabrics and make it purdy

kingkilburn

11-01-2014, 08:58 PM

Doing it wrong.

http://i.imgur.com/BbjTFfE.jpg

simmode1

11-02-2014, 06:11 PM

So I showed my wife a pic of the nicest red S14 Zenki I could find quickly & then I asked her which she liked better: S14's or this:
http://www.canibeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/12955307894_8b401940e8_k.jpg

Sooo Yeah... Reasonably certain an E36 M3 may be in my future soon. Hmmm...

vanish1

11-02-2014, 06:19 PM

lol @ the velvet purple e36, pimpin aint ez, rhd so could be deuce bigalow 2 europe

you got a bmw part # for that hat btw?

@simmode1, which one did your wife like better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a57tE1re00w&list=UUVVoTx1J_Uc7VTiCJsXVKcw
bmw hillclimb vid

simmode1

11-02-2014, 07:00 PM

vanish1

11-02-2014, 07:01 PM

http://www.tourifotos.de/media/img/gallery-2013-09-08/IMG_3347.JPG
http://www.autoleitner.nl/automobielen/assets/galleries/665/youngtimer-1996-bmw-m3cabrioe36-indivdual-14.JPG
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/554698_10151886662514126_519458336_n.jpg
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc119/VRDevelopment/DPL_7433Medium.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu76/bdbello/S54%20build/337185FD-9275-4CF5-BE2A-8AE297967FF8_zpsbylm38ed.jpg

vanish1

11-02-2014, 07:05 PM

simmode1

11-02-2014, 07:16 PM

Hmmm... I guess I'm feeling these a little more.
Q4GxLh1sPgY
cwqRPWpLJj0

vanish1

11-02-2014, 07:21 PM

http://propergarage.com/press/street-cruisers-german-soul-e36s/
http://propergarage.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/proper-garage-BMW-M3-12-662x441.jpg

KA24DESOneThree

11-02-2014, 08:34 PM

My daily is a '96 M3. I bought it for $3250 and it needed a lot of love, so I replaced the whole suspension. Nothing off the shelf works for the E36 M3, damper-wise, so I'm probably going to redo the suspension next year with custom-valved Bilsteins and a slightly higher spring rate.

They don't like being low. Being low makes them handle poorly and ride like a buckboard wagon. Potential buyers on this website are probably coming from an S13/S14, so they're used to both. :keke: Stock steering rack is ludicrously slow- replace with Z3 and be a winner.

E36 M3s are geared low. It makes them seem like they have more power than they actually do, but also makes them lousy highway cruisers. My god do they pull well from about 85, though.

My BMW before this one was an E36 325iS with S50 cams, lightweight flywheel and what I'd suspect was some head work. When it came on VANOS, it was awesome. Could get 33mpg driving sedately. Was on Bilstein Sport/H&R Race, what a crap setup that was.

My first BMW was a one-owner 325i 2-door 5-speed. So clean. I rolled it. Replaced the windshield with no bodywork required, installed the quarter window with no bodywork required, only the passenger door needed a little love to get to close. Best build quality of the bunch, but semi-trailing-arm rear suspension was being done by Son of Dat... in '68.

I kinda want a 2002. Or a Bavaria. Or a euro'd E28. I really want an E39 M5- I drove a 3k mile example in '12 and thought I had scored the holy grail; that car sold for ridiculous money.

vanish1

11-03-2014, 03:17 AM

My daily is a '96 M3. I bought it for $3250 and it needed a lot of love, so I replaced the whole suspension. Nothing off the shelf works for the E36 M3, damper-wise, so I'm probably going to redo the suspension next year with custom-valved Bilsteins and a slightly higher spring rate.

???? There are aftermarket suspension options available but for a dd street car nothing beats the oem sachs setup. Tckline, dinan, koni, bilsteins and pss9s, raceland, ground control, bimmerworld, h&r, kw, tms

They don't like being low. Being low makes them handle poorly and ride like a buckboard wagon. Potential buyers on this website are probably coming from an S13/S14, so they're used to both. :keke: Stock steering rack is ludicrously slow- replace with Z3 and be a winner.

I wouldnt say they dont like being low, I think the case is there are more bmw owners who understand the role of ride height in regards to application, not just slamming it to the floor and calling it a day. Roll center, suspension geometry, center of gravity these concepts arent chassis specific. Steering rack is fine and feels great also unless you want something a lil snappier which the z3 rack does well.

E36 M3s are geared low. It makes them seem like they have more power than they actually do, but also makes them lousy highway cruisers. My god do they pull well from about 85, though.

the lower the # the taller the gear gets, higher # are short. A 3.23 gearing is about as tall as you would want for a 5 speed on a car that was designed for autobahn cruising, the 6 speed getrag that came on the euro e36 and e46 is an option if youre looking for a nice cruising gear.

I kinda want a 2002. Or a Bavaria. Or a euro'd E28. I really want an E39 M5- I drove a 3k mile example in '12 and thought I had scored the holy grail; that car sold for ridiculous money.

all those would be great choices, bavaria is such a rarity I have never seen one on the road. 5 series are great cars as well, I love me some e28 535is' and m5, e34 540i's and m5, and e39 m5s and 540i's, even the 525i's are great platforms.

Corbic

11-03-2014, 05:37 AM

The E36 naturally. Her response really surprised me though because she hates old looking boxy cars & and S14 is curvier. The only reason I asked her is because I pointed out an old E30 this past week & she thought it was cute. I was like "WTF you make no sense." Hates old JDM boxy cars, but is ok with german boxy cars.

Because girls love the Euros.

I see ya'llz bargain Bimmers and raise you the $4k Boxster.

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/77682515-D375-4658-8E76-3DC879C32483_zpsjtkojigy.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/77682515-D375-4658-8E76-3DC879C32483_zpsjtkojigy.jpg.html)

vanish1

11-03-2014, 08:29 AM

^not bad esp for how cheap theyre becoming.

intrigued to see how far cayman prices will drop, with the way 911s are appreciating I dont think Ill get the chance to own one unless my professional career takes off.

but idk about the boxster havent done enough reading on them, if I was going for a cheap euro roadster the z3 is an interesting choice, mainly bc a zillion parts are interchangeable between them and e36s

EDIT: lemme bridge the gap between 240s and bmws. E28 w/ s13 front suspension
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2095506-DIY-Hustle-E28-with-angle

Corbic

11-03-2014, 10:05 AM

^not bad esp for how cheap theyre becoming.

intrigued to see how far cayman prices will drop, with the way 911s are appreciating I dont think Ill get the chance to own one unless my professional career takes off.

Vintage 911s are now bottoming out at $20k and climbing. Everything on them is very affordable except engine internals.

I also own '85 3.2 and because of the recent spike used parts have become stupid expensive.

The 981 Cayman is insanely good. The 987 is still prone to IMS failures and the styling was done half assed. You can pick them up for around $20k as beaters and they will continue to drop. The 996 will also continue to plummet but you'll reach an uncomfortable point where a $10k 996 is just not worth the trouble.

IMS failures and quirky styling is what killed the resale on these cars.

but idk about the boxster havent done enough reading on them,

Boxsters are beast. They do have a laundry list of issue, but so does any European performance car. IMS failure is the big one on a Boxster as it will take out the engine for good. Used engines are $2,500 - $3,000 for a 2.5l.

IMS failure prevention is to install the LME bearing ($670) which requires a tool ($350) or splitting the case.

Like 80% of the 986 Boxster is 996. The interior, while quirky is extremely well built (think B5 A4). The power from the 2.5 and 2.7 is minimal with not big difference. But that 207hp pulls hard from 2k-7k and make sickeningly sweet sounds. Top down, zero wind noise not intrusion. Black magic!!!

Massive Brembos stock with even bigger ones on the S cars. Both transmissions are common VW/Audi units. Just replaced mine for $225.

Lots of parts are commons with VW/Audi.

The car will run circles around a FRS/BRZ and feels tork'ier than a S2k.

if I was going for a cheap euro roadster the z3 is an interesting choice, mainly bc a zillion parts are interchangeable between them and e36s

I'm sure they are cheaper to maintain then a Boxster but boy do I hate the Z3. Fugly car.

I recall the I4 is a complete turd of an engine. M-coupes and Roadsters still go for big money. The interior is also made of spray paint, cardboard and elmer's glue.

vanish1

11-03-2014, 11:28 AM

the m44 is good to go, for the z3 its not the appropriate engine but in terms of reliabilty 300,000 miles + is ez for the motor.

gotta factor in that you can pick up a m52 or m44 for a few hundred bucks as well.

simmode1

11-03-2014, 11:46 AM

The 986 just looks ugly as hell to me. Can you show some examples of common fixes for that butterface?

drift freaq

11-03-2014, 12:14 PM

Ya I can't stand Boxsters. Now Caymens are not bad, but hey Corbic you do realize this is specifically a BMW thread! Not a I'm going to drop a Porsche in the mix becuase I don't feel BMW's.
Are you trying to get back to your old trolling ways? lol

Seriously dude if you can't discuss BMW's beyond saying you hate the Z3, can't say I blame you, hahaha. Then why are you even posting?

I will repeat for you just so you get it.
This is a thread to discuss BMW's . It was specifically created for that I don't see the name Porsche anywhere in the title.

Go start a Porsche thread man.

S14DB

11-03-2014, 01:26 PM

I can tell everyone thinks Z3's are ugly based on how the Z4's(which I like) are holding their value compared to the Z3's.

Corbic

11-03-2014, 01:51 PM

Not a I'm going to drop a Porsche in the mix becuase I don't feel BMW's.

When did I say that?

Then why are you even posting? .

More like simply showing yet another ultra-affordable German option that gets over looked.

I will repeat for you just so you get it.
This is a thread to discuss BMW's . It was specifically created for that I don't see the name Porsche anywhere in the title..

Watch it I might post a B5 S4 too...

http://www.stanceworks.com/2014/10/adrenalin-the-bmw-touring-car-story-by-stereoscreen/

108230034

Go start a Porsche thread man.

And it will be tumble weeds. Maybe we should just make a Deutschland thread.

kingkilburn

11-03-2014, 03:36 PM

That blue drift E36 looks just as trash as most other drift cars. WTF happened to the American drift scene?

GabeS14

11-03-2014, 04:15 PM

http://propergarage.com/press/street-cruisers-german-soul-e36s/
http://propergarage.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/proper-garage-BMW-M3-12-662x441.jpg

I like that... Agressive!
This weekend, road trip to Cali for Escape..day of the dead..:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1113210&d=1415054875
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1113211&d=1415054895

KA24DESOneThree

11-03-2014, 04:37 PM

???? There are aftermarket suspension options available but for a dd street car nothing beats the oem sachs setup. Tckline, dinan, koni, bilsteins and pss9s, raceland, ground control, bimmerworld, h&r, kw, tms

I wouldnt say they dont like being low, I think the case is there are more bmw owners who understand the role of ride height in regards to application, not just slamming it to the floor and calling it a day. Roll center, suspension geometry, center of gravity these concepts arent chassis specific. Steering rack is fine and feels great also unless you want something a lil snappier which the z3 rack does well.

the lower the # the taller the gear gets, higher # are short. A 3.23 gearing is about as tall as you would want for a 5 speed on a car that was designed for autobahn cruising, the 6 speed getrag that came on the euro e36 and e46 is an option if youre looking for a nice cruising gear.

all those would be great choices, bavaria is such a rarity I have never seen one on the road. 5 series are great cars as well, I love me some e28 535is' and m5, e34 540i's and m5, and e39 m5s and 540i's, even the 525i's are great platforms.

I have Koni/H&R OE Sport combo on my M3, it rides like crap if you have it set up to not be floaty. Bilsteins have the same problem. I am really picky about damping, and I've yet to see a suspension setup that I can run at my ride height (about stock) that works the way I want. If I'm in maximum attack mode, the Konis work fairly well but if I'm anything less than 8/10s they're silly as hell.

Did you honestly mention Ricelands? That's not an option unless one is: 1. clinically insane 2. dumber than a box of rocks 3. so clueless one's a poster boy for eugenics. I'll repeat- they are not an option.

E36s don't like being low in SoCal if you do any hard driving at all. The front stroke is very short stock (less than 4 inches total), and lowering them typically exacerbates the problem because not many people run springs stiff enough to keep them from bottoming. I'm running MCU bumpstops intended for a Mini Cooper S and they've made a difference in how the car handles mid-corner.

The steering rack does have great feel, but it has too high a ratio. My 240 (with HICAS rack) feels Lotus-quick compared to the E36.

The lower the numerical ratio, the higher the gearing. The higher the ratio, the lower the gearing. Think of low range in a truck. The six-speed is a viable swap but I'm comparing apples to apples here.

I was offered a Boxster for $1500 and turned it down.

simmode1

11-03-2014, 04:45 PM

Damn, Gabe. Looking hot right thurrr...That blue drift E36 looks just as trash as most other drift cars. WTF happened to the American drift scene?

Yep. But it goes like stink. I certainly didn't post it for its looks. Just looking for info on common turbo S52 setups. But I got a kick out if that pile swimming in an ocean S13's & S14's... lol

simmode1

11-03-2014, 06:19 PM

Just realized something I really don't like about E36's, at least visually... I really looks like the rear wheel arches are smaller than the fronts. So when you lower the cars, you either end up with a weird raked look or you tuck your rears. And I'm not really a fan of how tucking looks.

vanish1

11-03-2014, 06:40 PM

I have Koni/H&R OE Sport combo on my M3, it rides like crap if you have it set up to not be floaty. Bilsteins have the same problem. I am really picky about damping, and I've yet to see a suspension setup that I can run at my ride height (about stock) that works the way I want. If I'm in maximum attack mode, the Konis work fairly well but if I'm anything less than 8/10s they're silly as hell.

is this for a dd? if so oem sachs or dinan is the way to go

Did you honestly mention Ricelands? That's not an option unless one is: 1. clinically insane 2. dumber than a box of rocks 3. so clueless one's a poster boy for eugenics. I'll repeat- they are not an option.

plenty of folks online running them, dont shoot the messenger im just listing options.

The lower the numerical ratio, the higher the gearing. The higher the ratio, the lower the gearing. Think of low range in a truck. The six-speed is a viable swap but I'm comparing apples to apples here.
.

youre repeating exactly what I said.

vanish1

11-03-2014, 07:49 PM

http://i60.tinypic.com/2sab1wh.jpg

e36 m3 running at pikes peak this year

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=481320

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff334/jkc212121/BMW/DSC_0230_zps1feb50fc.jpg

drift freaq

11-04-2014, 12:25 PM

Couple of things, first off a BMW should have a certain amount of rake in its stance. It's the way the cars come from the facotory.
As far as konis riding bad or BMW's not being able to handle bing slammed that is BS. If your E36 is bottoming out up front then your shocks are blown.
My car is dropped pretty low and it still rides great compared to a dropped 240sx. I am running TC Kline coil overs up front based on custom Konis and Konis with HR springs in the rear . I am planning getting custom konis for the rear and height adjusters,and removing he HR springs. I do know it would bottom out up front when it had blown konis with HR springs which is probably what others who run HR up front are going through.

GabeS14

11-04-2014, 12:40 PM

My car is dropped pretty low and it still rides great compared to a dropped 240sx. I am running TC Kline coil overs up front based on custom Konis and Konis with HR springs in the rear . I am planning getting custom konis for the rear and height adjusters,and removing he HR springs. I do know it would bottom out up front when it had blown konis with HR springs which is probably what others who run HR up front are going through.

different model, but mine when I first lowered it just a bit it rode very well,also better then a lowered 240sx... now that I slammed it close to where I want it isnt so great anymore I feel more roll and more understeer...
I am looking at getting 40k springs for the rear because the E92/3 differential sits so low to the ground it bottoms out if you dont have super stiff springs..
I am on F.A with swift 14k/18k springs right now..ruined my fender coming to visit cali last friday..stupid shitty freeways lol...

S14DB

11-04-2014, 02:11 PM

plenty of folks online running them, dont shoot the messenger im just listing options.

Plenty of folks on here bandwagoning garbage coilover brands. Throw FK and JOM in there too...

drift freaq

11-04-2014, 06:20 PM

different model, but mine when I first lowered it just a bit it rode very well,also better then a lowered 240sx... now that I slammed it close to where I want it isnt so great anymore I feel more roll and more understeer...
I am looking at getting 40k springs for the rear because the E92/3 differential sits so low to the ground it bottoms out if you dont have super stiff springs..
I am on F.A with swift 14k/18k springs right now..ruined my fender coming to visit cali last friday..stupid shitty freeways lol...

You have that sprung pretty hard for a BMW . One of the great things about the BMW is you don't have to spring it so hard to make it handle great and slide. Lol
I would suggest lowering the spring rate and beefing up your swaybars instead that way you flatten out the roll but retain a semblance of ride quality.

240 people have to realize these are not 240's you do not need to spring them hard. Hell actually 240's tend to be over spring by their owners as well. It's the whole I want to slide drift machine slammed mentality. Fine for a track horrible for anything else.
Seriously maybe it's because mine is E36 M3 I am sitting pretty flush and my ride is still quite decent.

In fact I get compliments from people that know and people,that don't trip on my wheel stance. Of course I am running E46 M3 (18's)wheels which a lot of people will say is not possible. Though a few of us are doing it and a few admit you can.

Plenty of folks on here bandwagoning garbage coilover brands. Throw FK and JOM in there too...

Ya BMW's should be running Bilsteins, Koni's, Tuner Motor Sports,( use Koni's I believe)TC Kline( uses custom Koni's) , HR, ( uses Koni's) KW, Sachs, Moton, few others as well but.....

none of the Japanese or Taiwan stuff

GabeS14

11-04-2014, 06:39 PM

Oh, the reason for my super stif choice is because, the E93 is 400lbs heavier then the E92 and at my ride height the car still squats too much, it is hitting my fender onto the wheels and the Diff is bottoming out, it's not for handling..

vanish1

11-04-2014, 08:38 PM

Seriously maybe it's because mine is E36 M3 I am sitting pretty flush and my ride is still quite decent.

In fact I get compliments from people that know and people,that don't trip on my wheel stance. Of course I am running E46 M3 (18's)wheels which a lot of people will say is not possible. Though a few of us are doing it and a few admit you can.

Yes personally its nice being able to run factory specs and being completely satisfied with how the car sits; thats cool youre running e46 m3 wheels, 18s can look good on the e36.

I have stock contours atm, I like them, the only other oem wheel I would switch for are bmw motorsport ltw wheels; forged oem pr0n.

aftermarket for some reason I have a thing for rondell style 21s, that or go big with some 5x120 work wheels.

speaking of suspension this past weekend I changed out some of the rear bits, sachs shocks w/ e46 m3 vert rsms and ecstuning rsm plates.

quite the difference between old and new:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/VanishS14/IMG_20141021_233500794.jpg

drift freaq

11-04-2014, 09:33 PM

Yes personally its nice being able to run factory specs and being completely satisfied with how the car sits; thats cool youre running e46 m3 wheels, 18s can look good on the e36.

I have stock contours atm, I like them, the only other oem wheel I would switch for are bmw motorsport ltw wheels; forged oem pr0n.

aftermarket for some reason I have a thing for rondell style 21s, that or go big with some 5x120 work wheels.

speaking of suspension this past weekend I changed out some of the rear bits, sachs shocks w/ e46 m3 vert rsms and ecstuning rsm plates.

quite the difference between old and new:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/VanishS14/IMG_20141021_233500794.jpg
Cool ya I actually want to get some concave CSL style wheels. Most likely I will get a set of VMR's.
I also have aftermarket urethane bushings installed. But ya my car is dropped. It's just it seems to work well even dropped. Which is why I think KA's Koni's are blown. I know that when my friend owned my car he had Koni's up front with HR springs and it was dropped pretty hard and they were blown and he would bottom. Hence the TC Klines.

vanish1

11-04-2014, 09:49 PM

drift freaq

11-05-2014, 11:54 AM

csl style would look good

first time I looked at VMR wheels, not bad, reminds me of apex wheels

http://www.apexraceparts.com/apex-products/wheels/

http://www.myapexparts.com/bmw-e36-m3/

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=428767

Ya they are around 1/3 to 1/2 cheaper than the Apex and now VMR is doing flow forged as well. The price of the flow forged is closer to the Apex. Though the Apexs are not as CSL rep as the VMR's.

The good thing about the Apex is they make better size and offset options and have paid closer attention to addressing multiple setups for our cars . Whereas VMR just follows off the shelf offsets for our cars.

kingkilburn

11-05-2014, 01:53 PM

Corbic

11-05-2014, 02:26 PM

I would hope that the after market coilovers for BMWs are better than the absolute trash that the S chassis and larger japanese car scene sees. Over sprung and under damped as a bandaid for fubared geometry and travel is no way to tune a car.

Are you unwell?

It's all about the brand. Running some Ohlins, Bilstiens, Konis or KW2 even and yes, it will be better.

Throw on the eBay specials, K-sports and Megan's and you'll have the exact same shit, just different mounting brackets.

KA24DESOneThree

11-05-2014, 11:26 PM

is this for a dd? if so oem sachs or dinan is the way to go

My idea of a DD is a car that gets used harder than most peoples' track cars- on the weekend.

I run 3.2 degrees of front camber and have even tire wear- just to give you an idea of what my daily is expected to do.

OEM is not in my vocabulary. I tried OEM rubber bushings, and once you've gone spherical all around like I have on my 240, rubber is garbage. I've been willing to compromise, since it's my street car, but once I get enough miles on these things, they're gone.

My Konis were brand new. Like I said, I'm picky- they ride better than my Buddy Clubs or KTS coilovers did, but that's kinda like saying Obama's a better president than Bush, it just ain't high praise. I have Koni double-adjustables on my track car and it rides better than my E36.

If you aren't bottoming stock or slightly-stiffer-than-stock springs, you don't drive as hard as I do. Period, full-stop. I could upload a video of the roads I like to drive but you might accuse me of car abuse.

I run OEM LTWs- they're unbendable. If my brother couldn't bend them, I can't. That said, I'll likely go with Apexes next year.

vanish1

11-06-2014, 08:26 AM

My idea of a DD is a car that gets used harder than most peoples' track cars- on the weekend.

I run 3.2 degrees of front camber and have even tire wear- just to give you an idea of what my daily is expected to do.

OEM is not in my vocabulary. I tried OEM rubber bushings, and once you've gone spherical all around like I have on my 240, rubber is garbage. I've been willing to compromise, since it's my street car, but once I get enough miles on these things, they're gone.

My Konis were brand new. Like I said, I'm picky- they ride better than my Buddy Clubs or KTS coilovers did, but that's kinda like saying Obama's a better president than Bush, it just ain't high praise. I have Koni double-adjustables on my track car and it rides better than my E36.

If you aren't bottoming stock or slightly-stiffer-than-stock springs, you don't drive as hard as I do. Period, full-stop. I could upload a video of the roads I like to drive but you might accuse me of car abuse.

I am the opposite, my M3 is a total daily atm and so it receives all OEM pieces.

cool review of hvt coilovers
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/3301/Project-E36-M3-Part-3--Suspension-Version-10.aspx

Mikey213

11-06-2014, 02:18 PM

I love my e60!

IIIXziuR

11-06-2014, 02:40 PM

I wanted an E92 M3, but I realized I am poor and live with my mom so
now I just drive a '00 Ford F150.

murda-c

11-06-2014, 04:26 PM

What do you guys think of the i8?

I think it might be one of the sexiest cars of the decade. But only if it's in black. Don't really like that 2 tone scheme.

simmode1

11-06-2014, 06:55 PM

God help you when anything on the i8 breaks. Plus, you could buy 2 much faster C7 Corvettes for that price. No thanks.

Goofs

11-06-2014, 07:14 PM

Yeah its defintely a good looking car, but Im still not sold on electric cars

vanish1

11-06-2014, 08:43 PM

God help you when anything on the i8 breaks. Plus, you could buy 2 much faster C7 Corvettes for that price. No thanks.

I dont think people who can afford a $140,000 automobile necessarily worry about the price of something breaking on the car.

its one thing if the auto is a lemon, but if you gotta replace one of the CF wheels or a busted laser headlight oh well! play to pay

http://bmwi.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=910976

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwKdQQ5WOXA

chris harris does a cool review on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5I6xuhNgVg

car is drop dead beautiful, very futuristic looking, amazing that you can have a german sports car with a pure ev mode.

KA24DESOneThree

11-06-2014, 09:05 PM

Gonna do the same thing I did in the other thread and post up some builds I'd like to do.

-1990 325iS M52b29- Ground Controls, Ronal LS, Super Clean, White over Cardinal
- 2002Ti Inka Orange. Factory 13" fins, widened to 7.5" all around. 205 Sprint Classics. Period bubble flares, maybe Turbo flares. LSD, rorty exhaust. Big Webers, lumpy cam. Hooligan.
- Bavaria- White, Maybe. As much travel as possible. Tarmac rally suspension. Built M30. Also hooligan.
- E12 M535i- Definitely White. Stock but completely restored and with revalved Bilsteins.
- E36 M3, S50b32, Clean, Aggressive. Hellrot over Modena. OZ Mitos. 225s all around.
- E36 M3 JDM Time Attack- Daytona Violet. Big aero that doesn't detract from the looks. ZE40s.
- 740i Sport. 6-speed, S62, Estoril Blue. Bruiser cruiser. Magnetorheological suspension. 18" Alpinas. Alcantara and leather.
- E28 M5- Euro Bumpers, White. Not stock. FCM suspension.
- E39 M5- '01 or later, Alcantara Everywhere, Fikse FM5s, Imola Red. FCM suspension. Upgraded but lightweight brakes.
- E30 M3- Clean, stock-ish, Alpine White II.

The i8 may not be the best car, but its drama is irresistible to me. It's fascinatingly complex in terms of design.

Corbic

11-06-2014, 11:06 PM

I dont think people who can afford a $140,000 automobile necessarily worry about the price of something breaking on the car.

.

They care very much, trust me.

vanish1

11-07-2014, 05:54 AM

They care very much, trust me.

first off, dont take what I said out of context, its already generalized to begin with

second, no.

man walks into bmw dealership

'hello I bent a wheel on my i8'

'ok sir lemme look up how much it would cost to replace, so its $1000 for the new wheel'

'nah man thats way too much, imma go look on rockauto and ebay, put some rotas on it, peace'

this scenario will never happen.

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.do?model=2Z23&mospid=56362&hg=36&fg=15

Corbic

11-07-2014, 06:17 AM

first off, dont take what I said out of context, its already generalized to begin with

second, no.

man walks into bmw dealership

'hello I bent a wheel on my i8'

'ok sir lemme look up how much it would cost to replace, so its $1000 for the new wheel'

'nah man thats way too much, imma go look on rockauto and ebay, put some rotas on it, peace'

this scenario will never happen.

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.do?model=2Z23&mospid=56362&hg=36&fg=15

That scenario is bullshit and you know it.

The i8 owner would just have insurance cover it. Trust me, if the i8 had the car in the shop every other week, they would be screaming.

Just people people have "more money" doesn't mean they enjoy spending and bring inconvenienced more than people without money.

That stupid logic can just as easily apply to 240sx owners vs FRS owners you think someone that can flip 30 large on a car goes to the dealership an when told its $300 to fix their noisy fuel injector pump they be all "fuck that, crickets give it character"

vanish1

11-07-2014, 09:43 AM

That scenario is bullshit and you know it.

The i8 owner would just have insurance cover it. Trust me, if the i8 had the car in the shop every other week, they would be screaming.

Just people people have "more money" doesn't mean they enjoy spending and bring inconvenienced more than people without money.

That stupid logic can just as easily apply to 240sx owners vs FRS owners you think someone that can flip 30 large on a car goes to the dealership an when told its $300 to fix their noisy fuel injector pump they be all "fuck that, crickets give it character"

lawls stop taking what I say out of context, youre just repeating my original statement.

what youre talking about are lemon cars, what I am talking about is completely different.

simmode1

11-07-2014, 10:53 AM

I dont think people who can afford a $140,000 automobile necessarily worry about the price of something breaking on the car.

its one thing if the auto is a lemon, but if you gotta replace one of the CF wheels or a busted laser headlight oh well! play to pay

http://bmwi.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=910976

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwKdQQ5WOXA

chris harris does a cool review on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5I6xuhNgVg

car is drop dead beautiful, very futuristic looking, amazing that you can have a german sports car with a pure ev mode.

I don't care how much money anyone has. No one wants to be stranded on the road in a $140,000 car with questionable reliability & then have to leave it in the shop for a week or so while speciality parts are on order. Not saying that will certainly happen to the i8, but like most modern BMW's and Benz's, there is a very short limit on how much I'd trust that car outside of it's factory warranty. You got Hydrid tech, turbo tech, KERS, paddleshifters & AWD. That is too much shit going on for me. I love how it looks, but I predict it'll end up exactly like the old 8 series: revered from a far, but far to costly to most to maintain. They'll flood the secondhand market as 1st owners dump them and be as rare as unicorns to be seen driving within 10 years.

vanish1

11-07-2014, 12:16 PM

I don't care how much money anyone has. No one wants to be stranded on the road in a $140,000 car with questionable reliability & then have to leave it in the shop for a week or so while speciality parts are on order. Not saying that will certainly happen to the i8, but like most modern BMW's and Benz's, there is a very short limit on how much I'd trust that car outside of it's factory warranty. You got Hydrid tech, turbo tech, KERS, paddleshifters & AWD. That is too much shit going on for me. I love how it looks, but I predict it'll end up exactly like the old 8 series: revered from a far, but far to costly to most to maintain. They'll flood the secondhand market as 1st owners dump them and be as rare as unicorns to be seen driving within 10 years.

agreed if a car is a lemon its a lemon. Early adopters should inherently know the risks theyre getting into regarding a brand new car w/ brand new technology.

for example the people who have teslas that caught on fire, it would be more of a surprise if there wasnt any hiccups with first gen new technology.

so yes time will tell albeit were talking about a car whose production numbers are in the hundreds, with 1500-2000 units sold being the projected sales target. There is already a 10-12 month waiting list for it, all the 2015 units have been spoken for in the US.

and speakin of the 8 series, they are apparently a pain to work on but can be sooo cleannn.

850csi w/ the s70b56 6 speed tranny, same motor (different head?) found in the mclaren f1

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m585/andpgud/BMW%20850%20new%20start/DSC_0870_zpsfe0fd261.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img46/467/se8a.jpg
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=499787&d=1397932045
http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h435/rogbmw/IMG_0313_zps309dec08.jpg

kingkilburn

11-08-2014, 01:36 AM

Trust me.

Literally the worst argument for anything ever.

The I8 isn't this so I don't care. It's also not the car anyone that cares about cars asked for. It should have been the bleeding edge of chassis engineering and a midengine mounted NA German V12 or TT flatplane V8.

http://www.autoblog.nl/images/wp2008/big/BMW%20M1,%20prototype,%20groot.jpg

KA24DESOneThree

11-08-2014, 10:15 AM

vanish1

11-08-2014, 10:37 AM

The i8 and i3 also are reducing the cost of large-scale carbon fiber production. That by itself is exciting news.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/10/15/researchers-halfway-cutting-carbon-fiber-costs-90-percent/

http://autoblog.search.aol.com/search?q=bmw+carbon+fiber&s_it=header_form

+1 bmw has been a serious proponent of cf usage and making it more mainstream.

I've had the chance to sit in an i3 and the way bmw approached the whole car you can touch, see, feel how the car is geared toward environmental sustainability.

http://jalopnik.com/the-bmw-i3-is-officially-much-greener-than-almost-every-1462999376

drift freaq

11-08-2014, 12:02 PM

The i8 is something that showed BMW's audacity to make a technological showcase that works, and is a symbol of large-scale lightweight and sustainable manufacturing. It may not be at the bleeding edge of handling and power, but it's at the bleeding edge of technology.

It's not a very good car. It's not a hypercar, it can't go around the 'Ring in less than 8 minutes. It is a car for people who like owning a special car but who aren't enthusiasts- and for that, it's fantastic. It reduces BMW's overall CO2 numbers and allows them to refine that particular side of their business.

Sustainable cars are extremely important to us enthusiasts. The more of them there are, the less heat is on us to live within the new parameters. The more of them, the longer the performance car has to live.

With the BRICS countries growing and consuming more and more, we need to reconsider our everyday cars because we all know that our governments will enact more legislation and our voices are ever-diminishing. The i8 brings drama to the world of Priuses, Camry Hybrids, and Sonata Hybrids.

The i8 and i3 also are reducing the cost of large-scale carbon fiber production. That by itself is exciting news.

These are actually very insightful points and hold a lot of truth for us as enthusiasts.

I was having a discussion about the very fact that few car companies these days are even focusing on going racing.
Literally this ties in, a lot of the current generation does not look at cars in a sporting way.
They are people movers to these people and in that point the people are more concerned with the carbon footprint and effiency. The car companies in general do not try to change that with factory back teams in motorsports.

If we cannot accept and meld the smaller carbon footprint ideas with sporting? Sports cars are all but doomed to a ever shrinking market and interest.
When that happens manufacturers get gun shy on even producing sports cars( ya I am pointing the finger at you Nissan.)

vanish1

11-09-2014, 10:13 AM

https://38.media.tumblr.com/4e023cf5d75736531d04a91fa5a55138/tumblr_nd9x85IIkO1r2gni6o7_1280.jpg
http://abload.de/img/img_6983s3j45.jpg
http://rightcoastmovement.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/IMG_5367.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s296/saeedsaeedsaeed/10622254_689694677773097_1609691501_n_zpsc74b6fb4. jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/jkdp95.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5519/9504938011_f3e42d2280_b.jpg
http://drive4corners.com/wp-content/usergallery/hashtag/m1_pro02.jpg
http://drive4corners.com/wp-content/usergallery/hashtag/bmw-e30m3e28m5e24m6-cpd.jpg
http://drive4corners.com/wp-content/usergallery/hashtag/4b3191da03.jpg
http://drive4corners.com/wp-content/usergallery/hashtag/3224530464_3513ba1044_b.jpg
http://drive4corners.com/wp-content/usergallery/hashtag/dsc_0537.jpg

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt267/5280JB/IMG_0880-Version2_zpsd7194be7.jpg

e30gangsta

11-10-2014, 12:48 PM

Heres my bucket.

http://stateofstance.com/wp-content/gallery/guillermos-e30-bmw/img_0934.jpg

vanish1

11-10-2014, 05:24 PM

^looks good, what motor?

Corbic

11-10-2014, 06:15 PM

^looks good, what motor?

BMW motor....

vanish1

11-10-2014, 06:40 PM

BMW motor....

pardon|?.,.

kingkilburn

11-10-2014, 07:38 PM

I don't have a large carbon footprint. My car doesn't have a large carbon footprint. The shipping company that moved my car from the factory that made it to the dealer that sold it to me has a massive goddam footprint. The power plant that probably burns coal that supplied electricity to the facotry has a massive goddam footprint.

Cars have some impact on carbon and air quality and that could be fixed today with the right regulation changes. Those container ships the size of small farm towns have a much larger impact. Until those things run on anything other than hydrocarbons making cars cleaner doesn't mean much of anything.

Beyond that, the march of technology in cars should be discrete not a bunch of bells and whistles to attract attention. Who really wants a bunch of buttons, joysticks, and touch screens in their car? No one that should be driving, that's who.

We need dry steam injection, hydrogen combustion, and fullsize trucks made of carbon fiber and aluminum, and probably self driving electric cars for the masses.

bataangpinoy

11-10-2014, 07:45 PM

My other car is an e30 touring(never sold here in the US) with an s14b23 in it. I havent driven it in months though.

When i first started driving it in 2010:
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/topofthebay_zps14198544.jpg (http://s702.photobucket.com/user/bataangpinoy/media/topofthebay_zps14198544.jpg.html)

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/yup.jpg (http://s702.photobucket.com/user/bataangpinoy/media/yup.jpg.html)

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/IMG_7736_zpsfb7408d0.jpg (http://s702.photobucket.com/user/bataangpinoy/media/IMG_7736_zpsfb7408d0.jpg.html)

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/sideofhill/IMG_6727.jpg (http://s1085.photobucket.com/user/sideofhill/media/IMG_6727.jpg.html)

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/IMG_7730_zpsb1ee8365.jpg (http://s702.photobucket.com/user/bataangpinoy/media/IMG_7730_zpsb1ee8365.jpg.html)

Did the e30 M3 Cooling System Retrofit (M3 rad, expansion tank, moved battery to the trunk.
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/10259785_10203929132215476_988181886357310422_n_zp sdf99ad05.jpg (http://s702.photobucket.com/user/bataangpinoy/media/10259785_10203929132215476_988181886357310422_n_zp sdf99ad05.jpg.html)

Put wheels on it
http://wsvaco.tumblr.com/post/97797430036/wsvaco-mjcro-with-gvlen-x-apvthy-how#notes

vanish1

11-10-2014, 08:14 PM

simmode1

11-10-2014, 08:18 PM

Whats the difference between an e36 hatch and a 318ti?

e30gangsta

11-10-2014, 08:20 PM

Very nice touring. And vanish fully built m20 soon to be itb.

vanish1

11-10-2014, 08:46 PM

Whats the difference between an e36 hatch and a 318ti?

sorry I should have clarified, touring is the more accurate description in regards to the e36.

this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/amancuso/IMG_1576.jpg
http://saabnew.imagehostinghosting.com/di-e36_touring-d3367388e72a4ee2214309bbe6603b8a.jpg

and then the vandersex that is the 1 series hatch
http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/dsc0211afzgrnd1lt.jpg

vanish1

11-10-2014, 08:49 PM

And vanish fully built m20 soon to be itb.

oooowow that sounds like it will be a hoot. My buddy is a big m20 guy (me as well) he just traded his e34 525i for an e28 w/ a m20b25 swapped into it.

e30gangsta

11-10-2014, 09:09 PM

oooowow that sounds like it will be a hoot. My buddy is a big m20 guy (me as well) he just traded his e34 525i for an e28 w/ a m20b25 swapped into it.

Funny that your a local. You should check out john at wot tech they just finished a very nice itb m20 car.

bataangpinoy

11-10-2014, 09:14 PM

^car looks good, very interesting combo going s14 and the e30 hatch.

e30 hatches are cool, do like a s54 with ix drivetrain, got urself a bavarian subie.

e36 hatch is another one we never got here, the 1 series e8x hatch looks really good damn shame we didnt get it here.

Its basically impossible. the IX transfercase MIGHT fit a US s5X but not an s54. As far as picking the s14b23, I wanted a useable RWD platform; its just bushings and a set of K&W's away from being my daily HPDE car. If I wanted a subaru, I would have bought one lol

I have had m20's as well, I'm just sick of beating myself up over all the money just to have a slow car.
This was my old e30; it was an s50 away from being a fairly quick car, but I sold it to start college.

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/Drifintg/20110410-DSC_0398.jpg (http://s702.photobucket.com/user/bataangpinoy/media/Drifintg/20110410-DSC_0398.jpg.html)

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/Drifintg/20110410-DSC_0412.jpg (http://s702.photobucket.com/user/bataangpinoy/media/Drifintg/20110410-DSC_0412.jpg.html)

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/Drifintg/IMG_2503.jpg (http://s702.photobucket.com/user/bataangpinoy/media/Drifintg/IMG_2503.jpg.html)

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/Drifintg/IMG_2505.jpg (http://s702.photobucket.com/user/bataangpinoy/media/Drifintg/IMG_2505.jpg.html)

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww21/bataangpinoy/Drifintg/action2.jpg (http://s702.photobucket.com/user/bataangpinoy/media/Drifintg/action2.jpg.html)

vanish1

11-10-2014, 09:21 PM

Funny that your a local. You should check out john at wot tech they just finished a very nice itb m20 car.

I saw the vid and pics of the setup, looks clean. Wheres a vid of that M/S5x itb setup I see on their site. :hsdance:

Its basically impossible. the IX transfercase MIGHT fit a US s5X but not an s54. As far as picking the s14b23, I wanted a useable RWD platform; its just bushings and a set of K&W's away from being my daily HPDE car. If I wanted a subaru, I would have bought one lol

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2108324-E30-325iX-S54-Swap

no s$#@ if you wanted to buy a subie then buy a subie, ty captain obvious.

Ill take the german version.

bataangpinoy

11-10-2014, 09:36 PM

well shit, look at all the fab work he is doing!! I suck at aluminum, I move too slow and can't get my torch angle right around bends/pipes. Imagine having to PAY someone to do it!!

Well OBV if you use the IX g260 it will mate up, but the gearing is kinda short.

vanish1

11-10-2014, 09:52 PM

yeah its a bit on the extreme side

one setup that would be cool is an e38 w/ protection package lsx swap, BREAK YOSELF FOOL

bataangpinoy

11-10-2014, 10:18 PM

I want to do an LS6 into an 850CSI

S14DB

11-11-2014, 07:56 AM

I want to do an LS6 into an 850CSI

I want to do one too. :boink:

GabeS14

11-11-2014, 11:43 AM

I want to do one too. :boink:

Funny, i have had that idea for many years now. I Always thought it was the sexiest BMW ever I wanted to get ahold of one and do a crazy engine swap, but I would go with something exotic sounding, maybe the S85 engine.
and I would definitley "ruin" it buy stancing it out like everything else I have haha.

bataangpinoy

11-11-2014, 10:02 PM

I also want to do an early model e30 (with euro bumpers and all the rare DE bits) with an f20c. The s14b23 is cool and I love it, but def not suited for a street car.

vanish1

11-11-2014, 10:44 PM

^f20c isnt really a 'street' engine also

simmode1

11-12-2014, 10:03 AM

^^^According to you.

Corbic

11-12-2014, 10:13 AM

Keep it German, 1.8T

drift freaq

11-12-2014, 03:45 PM

I also want to do an early model e30 (with euro bumpers and all the rare DE bits) with an f20c. The s14b23 is cool and I love it, but def not suited for a street car.

Ya not feeling this idea. It's like theRB powered E36 I saw advertised in San Diego. Just wrong, great engines but not for a German car.

dudermagee

11-12-2014, 04:17 PM

I love CATuned stuff.
http://i.imgur.com/SuW5YYe.jpg

vanish1

11-12-2014, 05:37 PM

^^^According to you.

our definitions of streetable are different it seems.

I want torque across the powerband so stepping on the pedal in 5th or 6th gear I am moving somewhere.

the beauty that is a S54 dyno graph. (stock engine)
http://photos.motoiq.com/MotoIQ/Project-Cars/Project-E46-M3/i-hQd7CXw/2/L/E46%20M3%20Graph%201-L.jpg

Ya not feeling this idea. It's like thhe RB powered E36 I saw advertised in San Diego. Just wrong, great engineers but not for a German car.

+1 funny because I feel the same way but I am fine with american powered bmws.

e30gangsta

11-12-2014, 09:49 PM

Ls doesnt belong in any bmw.

Bagged 850 turbo s38 or 2j :)

bataangpinoy

11-12-2014, 10:03 PM

LOL

I gave up on the notion of "purism" a long time ago...

I'm never satisfied with the performance of the M GmBH engines out of the box, especially for the money. Is it cool? Sure. But cool will only get me so far. To get my s14b23 where I want, I'd need to dump 15k in parts into it BEFORE any machining costs. Am I going to do it? Maybe. But the fact is that its just impractical to spend that much money for the little gains I'll see.

I'd maybe be at 250-280 WHP out of the VAC 2.5L stroker, the head work (296/288 cams, shim under bucket conversion, valves/springs/ P&P), headers (1k +), KMS Full standalone/necessary sensors/new wiring harness, Coil On Plug Conversion, Gruppe N oil pump, baffled pan, DTM airbox, Larger ITB's....

yeah. pointless.

vanish1

11-12-2014, 10:24 PM

LOL

I gave up on the notion of "purism" a long time ago...

I'm never satisfied with the performance of the M GmBH engines out of the box, especially for the money. Is it cool? Sure. But cool will only get me so far.

To get my s14b23 where I want, I'd need to dump 15k in parts into it BEFORE any machining costs.

Its just not practical.

to be fair the s14 is one of the most maintenance heavy motors bmw ever put in a production car.

not really quite sure what youre trying to do with your motor, you didnt mention what the car is used for.

I guess I am not sharing the same feelings of jadedness that you are experiencing because I think my e36 w/ its stock s52 is all kinds of fun the same goes w/ my bone stock e21 w/ m10.

the m10 is getting a oem rebuild soon then im going to put a bajillion miles on it. some mild cams along the way, simple bpu mods.

theres all kinds of bmw engines and setups to get the e-peen excited for.

drift freaq

11-14-2014, 12:28 AM

to be fair the s14 is one of the most maintenance heavy motors bmw ever put in a production car.

not really quite sure what youre trying to do with your motor, you didnt mention what the car is used for.

I guess I am not sharing the same feelings of jadedness that you are experiencing because I think my e36 w/ its stock s52 is all kinds of fun the same goes w/ my bone stock e21 w/ m10.

the m10 is getting a oem rebuild soon then im going to put a bajillion miles on it. some mild cams along the way, simple bpu mods.

theres all kinds of bmw engines and setups to get the e-peen excited for.
I can understand this my stock s52 has a fair amount of get up and go. Why , because they Torque in spades. Seriously the swap I want to do is the S54 into the E36. 300 whp with the extra torque.

vanish1

11-14-2014, 03:32 PM

I can understand this my stock s52 has a fair amount of get up and go. Why , because they Torque in spades. Seriously the swap I want to do is the S54 into the E36. 300 whp with the extra torque.

yes s54 is pr0n, bpu s52 is titties, and the s50b32 is gangsta as well.

the best 'budget' s54 builds ive seen are the ones where the guy finds a wrecked e46 m3 for a good price, flips parts off of it to offset the cost.

part of me wants to import an euro e36 as a parts car, swap in all the goodies.

GabeS14

11-14-2014, 03:50 PM

Funny after hearing some of the talk here..I never understood the hate for motors in different chassis.
I have been contemplating a motor swap for my E93, since the TT kit is taking forever to come out, and I seriously thought about a fully built RB or
2J with like 800hp.

I could care less about brands/labels/names etc..
I like a beautifull car + perfect motor that works just right for me.

if it gets the job done and pleases me then its perfect!

vanish1

11-14-2014, 04:12 PM

you cray for considering a RB or 2J in place of your S65

n55 or lsx would be more appropriate

GabeS14

11-14-2014, 04:27 PM

you cray for considering a RB or 2J in place of your S65

n55 or lsx would be more appropriate

because I heart hi powered turbo...
and as much as I love the majestic S65, and it sounds like an exotic, I need more then 400hp..and 300tq..
The vert is very heavy....so it feels laggy.
I also consider the S85 supercharged a good option, ...if that makes you guys feel happy.

vanish1

11-14-2014, 05:00 PM

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2102994-N54-Hits-750whp-mark

just saying......

GabeS14

11-14-2014, 05:05 PM

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2102994-N54-Hits-750whp-mark

just saying......

Yeah I like the N54/55 and the new M4 motor, they have potential too, I would consider that also.

simmode1

11-14-2014, 06:58 PM

drift freaq

11-14-2014, 07:28 PM

See, this is why I've always had love for the 135i/335i. I always felt that the N54 was the second coming of the 2JZ and that those cars were stat for stat modern JZA80 Supras.

Even with their questional reliability issues, I'd rather have one of these than buy another car that needs a radical engine swap or N/A-T project to make it come alive.

The Beemer's vague steering issues have got to be a lot easier to figure out and fix rather than swapping an Audi V8 into a 17 year old Porsche...

Just buy an e36 M3 even stock they really are not bad . It's not a case of feeling it does not have enough power.
I found what happens is you get used to it and want more. I take people for rides and punch it and they are pused back in there seats and I am just like ya it's quick. Lol.
Thing is you don't really have to do an engine swap either. Put a Supecharger on it and it turns into boosted monster.
I just like NA enough that an E46 M3 engine sounds inviting. Extra 100 hp. drop in.

vanish1

11-14-2014, 08:10 PM

Just buy an e36 M3 even stock they really are not bad . It's not a case of feeling it does not have enough power.
I found what happens is you get used to it and want more. I take people for rides and punch it and they are pused back in there seats and I am just like ya it's quick. Lol.
Thing is you don't really have to do an engine swap either. Put a Supecharger on it and it turns into boosted monster.
I just like NA enough that an E46 M3 engine sounds inviting. Extra 100 hp. drop in.

I think with some cars balance is key. If it is a dd that gets driven around it gets old having suspension that cant travel or drivetrain issues because the hp/tq is over stressing the car.

The nice part is that there are compelling arguments for each method of madness, n/a vs boost.

silky smooth n/a I6s w/ ITBs vs boost thru overbuilt motors.

BMW over the past 40 years has released compelling engine choices each decade with the current gen re-entering the boost age.

The only real knock on current generation of cars besides electronics is the increase in weight which brings about disconnect of 'feel' between the driver and the road.

simmode1

11-15-2014, 06:49 PM

Yeah, I'll take an overbuilt & boosted motor any day of the week. Feel free to enjoy the ecstasy of your N/A engine as a boosted one with easily double your hp or more blows your doors off at the track.

kingkilburn

11-15-2014, 07:42 PM

I cringe every time someone brings up the notion of purity.

vanish1

11-15-2014, 08:29 PM

I dont think anyone said they would choose a n/a motor over a boosted one.

why choose one?

thats the point really, so many great motors and chassis not everything needs to be maxed out w/ boost.

drift freaq

11-15-2014, 08:51 PM

Too many people here are stuck on turbo. NA motors can be fun and torque monsters in the 6 and 8 cylinder world. Turbo's are fun and can be awesome at usually higher maintenance costs. It's just that way. The person who says Turbo or go home is just as close minded as the person who says NA is the only way.
Thing is BMW builds some powerful NA motors that are nothing to look down your nose or sneer at.
SR owners tend to have turbo itis . Or Turbo on the brain. Try and step back and look at the bigger picture in some applications Turbo is great in others NA can do a great job.

I can tell you though with Turbo you will spend more time fucking around with shit.lol

Oh and ya I used to own and drive a RB25DET powered S13 so put that in your my turbo will kick,your ass pipe and smoke it.

simmode1

11-15-2014, 10:03 PM

As stated, its all just preference. I prefer turbo. Yeah, an N/A jza80 Supra might be fun but most would prefer the TT version. Same discussion, IMO. I'm not knocking BMW's N/A motors. They're pretty damn robust. But should you ever get the itch for a substantial power increase, you know turbo is the way to go.

TMW

11-15-2014, 10:24 PM

true^

i prefer NA though.

one of my brother's good friends has a e90 335i with a tune, downpipes, exhaust etc. and it has like 400hp... crazy how much power it makes with so little done. pulls on my m3 easily. (e46)

bataangpinoy

11-16-2014, 01:00 PM

simmode1

11-16-2014, 08:33 PM

^^^How so?

Oh hi there...
http://www.stancenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/SEMA-2014-1431-1140x760.jpg

gearhead55

11-16-2014, 08:38 PM

http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz329/gearhead55/5832750491_d1e29bc929_b_zps9efb7eee.jpg

http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz329/gearhead55/5832741945_7a3fb021c6_b_zpsedae435c.jpg

hhhnnnnnnnnnggggggggghhhhhhhhh

vanish1

11-16-2014, 09:00 PM

the e46 m3 is tits <3

simmode1

11-16-2014, 09:08 PM

I dig the E36, but I love easy boost from factory turbo'd cars too much to buy one. I hear there's an N54 swapped E36 running around though.
http://stancewords.stanceworks.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/rocket-bunny-bmw-e36-m3-rotiform-airlift-players.jpg

gearhead55

11-16-2014, 09:09 PM

the e46 m3 is tits <3

and those wheels on the black look soooo good.

vanish1

11-16-2014, 09:22 PM

I dig the E36, but I love easy boost from factory turbo'd cars too much to buy one. I hear there's an N54 swapped E36 running around though.

you will like these two threads:
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2078782-my-very-boring-E36-TwinPower-turbo-project-on-a-4k-budget

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1990662-my-build-thread-e30-with-a-9-inch

and those wheels on the black look soooo good.

are those works? I want to do emotion cr kais on the e36, not enough japanese wheel love going on w/ bmws.

TMW

11-16-2014, 09:49 PM

^theyre mag blue volk ce28s

http://ra64freddy.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/p8-31.jpg?w=1024

vanish1

11-16-2014, 10:06 PM

those te37s look good, so you can order volks in 5x120? The rays website isnt as informative as the work website.

TMW

11-16-2014, 10:16 PM

yeah a lot of vendors sell bmw fitment volks. example

http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TE37-SL-PL-18105-5120-20&Category_Code=TE37-SL

gearhead55

11-16-2014, 10:25 PM

^theyre mag blue volk ce28s

yeup. magnesium blue so good

Corbic

11-17-2014, 10:33 AM

:picardfp:

this thread is full of LOL.

This...

Google N54 Engine failures.

http://m.autoblog.com/2010/10/26/abc-news-airs-big-expose-on-bmw-n54-engine-problems-lawsuits-w/

Plenty of issues. It's no 2JZ.

vanish1

11-17-2014, 05:25 PM

This...

Google N54 Engine failures.

http://m.autoblog.com/2010/10/26/abc-news-airs-big-expose-on-bmw-n54-engine-problems-lawsuits-w/

Plenty of issues. It's no 2JZ.

welcome to 6 years ago.

nobody really cares about what the n54 isnt, too busy easy boosting. :2f2f:

drift freaq

11-17-2014, 11:31 PM

I want Volks on my BMW. lol

simmode1

11-18-2014, 03:12 PM

So, speaking of Volks on a BMW... http://www.stancenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Sly-Zed.jpg I used to think the E90/E92 coupes were the most beautiful front ends I'd ever seen on a BMW, but Gawddayum... The 4 series does not seem to be a joke.

simmode1

11-18-2014, 05:07 PM

Hey so... the 228i is less than 3300lbs when equipped with a manual trans... Anyone know if the N20/N26 has forged internal? Might be a great deal at $33k brand new... I searched but didn't find anything on the engine aside from it's twin scroll turbo...

vanish1

11-18-2014, 05:24 PM

I used to think the E90/E92 coupes were the most beautiful front ends I'd ever seen on a BMW, but Gawddayum... The 4 series does not seem to be a joke.

that pic is some te37 bmw pr0n right there.

The 4 series does downright look MEAN; the rear end is equally as menacing, low and wide with the dual exhaust, looks great in motion.

Hey so... the 228i is less than 3300lbs when equipped with a manual trans... Anyone know if the N20/N26 has forged internal? Might be a great deal at $33k brand new... I searched but didn't find anything on the engine aside from it's twin scroll turbo...

http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?1662-Full-BMW-N20-turbo-4-cylinder-technical-specifications-plus-history-overview-and-N52-comparison

simmode1

11-18-2014, 05:36 PM

^^^Wow. That's a lot of info. But I browsed through the Engine Components section & didn't see the word 'forged' once. Hmmm...

vanish1

11-18-2014, 05:40 PM

http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/bmwn20technical12.jpg

simmode1

11-18-2014, 05:54 PM

vanish1

11-18-2014, 06:13 PM

Ahhh... forged crank. Cool. I wonder how much the rods & pistons can handle? Its the same engine in the Z4 28i. I wonder what those guys have managed to produce so far. Just had an idea: E36 N20 swap... We all know it'll happen. I just wonder when...

pistons and software are the major difference between models sharing the n20

yeah there will be one or two guys out there that do it for e-peen but if things stay the course as they have been then it will prob not be a legitimate engine swap option.

simmode1

11-19-2014, 11:12 AM

Dammit... The E92 coupes looked so good to me before. Now they just look like doughy porkers in comparison to the more muscular 4 series. Crap. http://www.stancenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/15630035019_4e1a178c20_k.jpg

vanish1

11-19-2014, 04:31 PM

couldnt find it for awhile but finally came across it, one of my fav BMW clips on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2RlTXsWt7U&

drift freaq

11-19-2014, 06:01 PM

couldnt find it for awhile but finally came across it, one of my fav BMW clips on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2RlTXsWt7U&

Hahahahahaha that's a sick clip.

vanish1

11-19-2014, 06:24 PM

Hahahahahaha that's a sick clip.

the way the v10 just keeps pulling :eek:

another two classics that I enjoy both for entirely different reasons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcMr7MaBY20
GO FOR IT BROZZ lolol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay2bzaI1Qa4

drift freaq

11-19-2014, 07:20 PM

the way the v10 just keeps pulling :eek:

another two classics that I enjoy both for entirely different reasons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcMr7MaBY20
GO FOR IT BROZZ lolol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay2bzaI1Qa4

You just posted my favorite M3 color that I am on the hunt for as we speak, Estoril! FTMFW! :rawk:

Oh and that M3 Rally cross car face planting was a riot. :rofl:

vanish1

11-19-2014, 07:59 PM

You just posted my favorite M3 color that I am on the hunt for as we speak, Estoril! FTMFW! :rawk:

yes thats one of best colors on the e36 m3.

s52 coupes:
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa367/mmmgp/ScreenHunter_02Aug241723.jpg

s52 manual sedans:
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa367/mmmgp/ScreenHunter_02Aug201032.jpg

s52 auto sedans:
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa367/mmmgp/ScreenHunter_02Oct040753.jpg

s52 manul verts:
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa367/mmmgp/ScreenHunter_04Aug211917.jpg

kingkilburn

11-19-2014, 09:28 PM

The only BMW video I've ever cared about.

l-lbxIJD3V8

vanish1

11-19-2014, 09:34 PM

^that means ur gonna get a 1 series next huh

on the mpzracevideo channel he has a few bmw euro hillclimb vids which are fun to watch.

this race vid is fun too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSJ-HzNWJGM

simmode1

11-28-2014, 10:44 AM

kingkilburn

11-28-2014, 03:31 PM

That lower facia is rather inelegant for a BMW. . . I wonder what they need all that airflow for.

simmode1

11-28-2014, 03:38 PM

That lower facia is rather inelegant for a BMW. . . I wonder what they need all that airflow for.

Inelegant for a BMW?! Did you not see that M4 posted above? Lol... They look pretty damn similar to me. I'd assume the top openings provide airflow to the radiator, the bottom flows to the intercooler & the sides flow to the brakes... Fascia looks like a evolution of the 1M's to me. But it's just a render anyway, so whatever. I like it though.

kingkilburn

11-28-2014, 03:58 PM

Those side vents just look a little boy racer to me. Not something I'd expect from a factory BMW, even on an M car.

simmode1

11-28-2014, 04:56 PM

Yet, BMW's been putting side vents on M3's since the E46...

vanish1

11-28-2014, 05:06 PM

car will end up looking good in person, esp rolling down the road.

x5 M for the wife, M2 and an i8s in the garage.

///M fantasy

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/11/27/bmw-i8-i8s-details/

simmode1

11-28-2014, 05:26 PM

car will end up looking good in person, esp rolling down the road.

x5 M for the wife, M2 and an i8s in the garage.

///M fantasy

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/11/27/bmw-i8-i8s-details/

Ditto. But I'd drop the i8 in favor of the M6 Gran coupe. Geezus. Talk about road presence. Let's keep our fingers crossed & hope for an M2 CSL.

240KA

11-28-2014, 05:53 PM

i sometimes see people specify their E36 M3 as a "3/4/5" car; what does the "3/4/5" mean?

vanish1

11-28-2014, 06:10 PM

i sometimes see people specify their E36 M3 as a "3/4/5" car; what does the "3/4/5" mean?

its referencing what car/how many doors/transmission gears

GabeS14

11-28-2014, 06:59 PM

Oh... So BMW actually is taking the 2 series further than the M235i and are dropping a legit M2? With a rumored 400hp & sub 3300lbs... How nice of them. http://www.forcegt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2014-BMW-M2-Coupe-rendering-by-DSM-CarDesign.jpg

Have you guys seen the ridiculous prices the 2 series is being sold at though?
up to $60k for the m235i..
I was super exited for the M2.. but if the 235i is being sold at that price then the M2 is gonna be more?
The M4 starts in the $60's wtf is BMW thinking...

simmode1

11-28-2014, 07:07 PM

^^^That's outrageous. I thought the M235i was like $44k. Even at $44k, I think it's nice but overpriced.

vanish1

11-28-2014, 07:21 PM

Have you guys seen the ridiculous prices the 2 series is being sold at though?
up to $60k for the m235i..
I was super exited for the M2.. but if the 235i is being sold at that price then the M2 is gonna be more?
The M4 starts in the $60's wtf is BMW thinking...

a base m235i is 43k msrp

M4 msrp is 64k

you can do euro delivery, get another 5-7% off, use that money for the vacation trip to Germany to get your car.

not really sure what your point is? These are luxury segment cars.

dudermagee

11-28-2014, 07:46 PM

60k 400whp car?

Pluh.

My car puts out 325whp and 326 wtq and is about 2800 lbs for less than half that.

vanish1

11-28-2014, 08:02 PM

lawls comparing a 240sx to a M4, youve won the internet man

dudermagee

11-28-2014, 08:39 PM

lawls comparing a 240sx to a M4, youve won the internet man

Thanks, can't wait till my shitbox cressida is doing the same power for even less.

Going to be to fun to spank all these new overpriced german cars with a 90's shitbox for pennies.

simmode1

11-28-2014, 08:43 PM

Thanks, can't wait till my shitbox cressida is doing the same power for even less.

Going to be to fun to spank all these new overpriced german cars with a 90's shitbox for pennies.
I used to think like this. And then I realized nobody cares how fast your shitbox is. Its still a shitbox.

Revel in your 90's econobox. Right up until the moment one of these moden I6 twin turbos pulls up with bolt ons & a tune.

I love 90's JDM sports cars as much as the next guy, but its healthy to have some perspective. Our cars are like school on a Saturday, bro.

BOROSUN

11-29-2014, 04:27 AM

ionno man, ive been window shopping for my e91. looks like for tuning stuff. shit boxes win all the way.

speaking of shitbox. bmw interior are pretty shitty itself. but, then...I guess I cant really compare a 3series to my E class.

while i was looking for straight cut gears for a t56.
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vanish1

11-29-2014, 05:40 AM

Thanks, can't wait till my shitbox cressida is doing the same power for even less.

Going to be to fun to spank all these new overpriced german cars with a 90's shitbox for pennies.

lolololololololol

you are going to have issues with 'overpriced' 80s and 90s bmws as well

I used to think like this. And then I realized nobody cares how fast your shitbox is. Its still a shitbox.

Revel in your 90's econobox. Right up until the moment one of these moden I6 twin turbos pulls up with bolt ons & a tune.

I love 90's JDM sports cars as much as the next guy, but its healthy to have some perspective. Our cars are like school on a Saturday, bro.

yes

this is a fun vid; some of the peeps have the driver mod going for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0rSueaiEY

ionno man, ive been window shopping for my e91. looks like for tuning stuff. shit boxes win all the way.

u no like stock dme pnp tuning? why? Its novel that the stock dme can handle all different kinds of tunes, simplifies upgrading in a way.

speaking of shitbox. bmw interior are pretty shitty itself. but, then...I guess I cant really compare a 3series to my E class.

pretty broad statement ur making there, maybe specify a lil more. It depends on what youre going after, luxury sport you go bmw, cushy dd idc mode you go mb.

my grandmas '14 E class really suits her perfectly.

while i was looking for straight cut gears for a t56.
youtube link

repost, last page.

simmode1

11-29-2014, 08:03 AM

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Search-Results/Spyshots/BMW-M2-2015-Munichs-new-baby-hotshot-revealed/

Hmm... A little less power than expected. Should be an easy fix to bring it to M4 power levels.

But on the subject of price:
- base 228i is $33k
- base m235i is $44k

I could see the M2 starting at $55k and becoming a potential collectible.

BOROSUN

11-29-2014, 03:49 PM

the e91 has only 32k on it. but, the interior trimming is pealing off like its painted. there's plenty of pics on google. but, this is the most common.

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj552/BrazilianBimmer/IMG_0179.jpg (http://s1267.photobucket.com/user/BrazilianBimmer/media/IMG_0179.jpg.html)

I was going to buy a whole new used door panel on ebay. I realized it will just peel off too.

my old e300 never had that or my current e500 40k mi. I don't see it on mb C class also.

silviasandbeer

11-29-2014, 04:59 PM

i wanna agree with borosun a little bit.. when shopping around for my e90 alot of them had peel like that ^ some in different places and some not as bad as others

luckily i found one in a little better condition than that, its only peeling on the cupholders in the dash... which are stuck and wont come out

and no you cant compare a 3series to an E class... C class yes.. but MB still wins there haha

vanish1

11-29-2014, 05:28 PM

ooo wow thats a bit of a bummer w/ the e9x

I have never cared for silver trim like that for those reasons, when it scratches its black underneath

my friends b8 a4 interior is holding up well, 60,000 miles+ so far, only some wear and tear on the shift knob and steering wheel.

but I also feel like what kind of conditions/temperatures the car sees, whether its garaged or not, what kind of person is driving it, plays into the wear and tear of interiors.

dudermagee

11-30-2014, 05:50 PM

I used to think like this. And then I realized nobody cares how fast your shitbox is. Its still a shitbox.

Revel in your 90's econobox. Right up until the moment one of these moden I6 twin turbos pulls up with bolt ons & a tune.

I love 90's JDM sports cars as much as the next guy, but its healthy to have some perspective. Our cars are like school on a Saturday, bro.

That's part of the fun when you pull on a 60k brand new sports car. The only people that don't care are the elitest douches that think the m3 is gods chariot. And in my experience that's because they dont know shit, never turned a wrench, and have a silver spoon shoved up their ass.

And a 4.8 truck motor with a eBay turbo kit will put down 500 whp &wtq all day. Toss a couple grand into strengthening the motor and you can get 700+.

lolololololololol

you are going to have issues with 'overpriced' 80s and 90s bmws as well

I don't have any issues with 80-90's BMW's.

They're cheap. My friend just picked up a e39 530 for 2800. Iirc he's planning on putting a 6l aluminum block and going twin turbo.

I was looking for an e30 sedan but I wanted something different from everyone else.

Corbic

11-30-2014, 06:29 PM

That's part of the fun when you pull on a 60k brand new sports car. The only people that don't care are the elitest douches that think the m3 is gods chariot. And in my experience that's because they dont know shit, never turned a wrench, and have a silver spoon shoved up their ass.

Jelly jelly jelly.

As my grandfather (a life long diesel mechanic) once told my my father; "don't ever let me catch you with a wrench because you are going to go to college and will make enough money to pay some else to do it for you".

That "silver spoon douche" has a completely different value set of his own time and money. After all, what's funner driving cars or fixing broke shit in an uninsulated garage and missing out on another meet?

With that said we don't have to talk about brand new cars. A E46 goes for pocket change these days. Check my other thread out (Rennsport). $6-9k just buys so much God damn car anymore.

A S13-14 is a great toy but is a complete penalty box to try and daily.

And a 4.8 truck motor with a eBay turbo kit will put down 500 whp &wtq all day. Toss a couple grand into strengthening the motor and you can get 700+.
.

Ok..... And swapping that into anything other than an engine dyno or a 1955 Chevy 2 door Post is going to cost a fortune. Been there done that.

dudermagee

11-30-2014, 06:46 PM

Jelly jelly jelly.

As my grandfather (a life long diesel mechanic) once told my my father; "don't ever let me catch you with a wrench because you are going to go to college and will make enough money to pay some else to do it for you".

That "silver spoon douche" has a completely different value set of his own time and money. After all, what's funner driving cars or fixing broke shit in an uninsulated garage and missing out on another meet?

With that said we don't have to talk about brand new cars. A E46 goes for pocket change these days. Check my other thread out (Rennsport). $6-9k just buys so much God damn car anymore.

A S13-14 is a great toy but is a complete penalty box to try and daily.

Ok..... And swapping that into anything other than an engine dyno or a 1955 Chevy 2 door Post is going to cost a fortune. Been there done that.

I'm college educated and in a high end career. I'd rather do my own work. I could buy a new BMW, but I'd rather have a few cars that I built and are different. I don't really have anything against them. I'm just bored and BMW lovers are easily butthurt/trolled.

Me and a couple friends just finished swapping in a 5.3 lm4 into a ls400. Ran us about 4500 all said and done.
Just did a dyno tune on it and it put down 285whp and 316 wtq.

Corbic

11-30-2014, 06:52 PM

I'm college educated and in a high end career. I'd rather do my own work. I could buy a new BMW, but I'd rather have a few cars that I built and are different. I don't really have anything against them. I'm just bored and BMW lovers are easily butthurt/trolled.

I think you are missing the point. There is something to be said about owning a nice factory fast car that needs nothing and has all the modern conveniences. There also nothing wrong with saying "I don't want to rebuild my own transmission... I have better things to do". This is universal and has nothing to do with BMW.

Me and a couple friends just finished swapping in a 5.3 lm4 into a ls400. Ran us about 4500 all said and done.

Just did a dyno tune on it and it put down 285whp and 316 wtq.

So you ditched one of the best 90's V8s ever for all that work and....40hp? +100lbs?

Does it even still have A/C?

Should have just turbo'ed the 1UZ and had 500whp, A/C and that sick sound....

It's also "My friends and I" btw...

240KA

11-30-2014, 06:59 PM

A S13-14 is a great toy but is a complete penalty box to try and daily.

can you elaborate on the "penalty box to try and daily" comment? obviously, a gutted, caged s13/14 doesn't count, but how do you think a stock s-chassis with creature comforts can't be considered a daily driver? i think you're mistaken.

vanish1

11-30-2014, 06:59 PM

That's part of the fun when you pull on a 60k brand new sports car. The only people that don't care are the elitest douches that think the m3 is gods chariot. And in my experience that's because they dont know shit, never turned a wrench, and have a silver spoon shoved up their ass.

And a 4.8 truck motor with a eBay turbo kit will put down 500 whp &wtq all day. Toss a couple grand into strengthening the motor and you can get 700+.

I don't have any issues with 80-90's BMW's.

They're cheap. My friend just picked up a e39 530 for 2800. Iirc he's planning on putting a 6l aluminum block and going twin turbo.

I was looking for an e30 sedan but I wanted something different from everyone else.

misses point completely.

bmws are ez tuning, 80s, 90s, '00; brand new f10 M3/4s arent the only bimmers you wont catch.

500/500 whp/tq is what most BMWs I6s shoot for minimum when going turbo.

the majority of the motors have forged internals. Cutring hg and arp studs and the block is good to go.

pick up a used m52 for a few hundred bux, plow a few g's into the turbo system, tune on the stock ecu (dme) = cheap speed.

fast forward to the n54 generation, tune, intake, exhaust, and e85 and theyre at 450/470 hp/tq

I'm just bored and BMW lovers are easily butthurt/trolled.

actually its the opposite. Were so hyped on whats going on w/ BMWs that when someone is talking out of their azz (you) we have to let em know why theyre missing out.

and if they still are missing the big picture then oh well move it along were busy having german rwd fun.

dudermagee

11-30-2014, 07:08 PM

I think you are missing the point. There is something to be said about owning a nice factory fast car that needs nothing and has all the modern conveniences. There also nothing wrong with saying "I don't want to rebuild my own transmission... I have better things to do". This is universal and has nothing to do with BMW.

So you ditched one of the best 90's V8s ever for all that work and....40hp? +100lbs?

Does it even still have A/C?

Should have just turbo'ed the 1UZ and had 500whp, A/C and that sick sound....

It's also "My friends and I" btw...
I understand owning a fast out the box new car. Maybe one day when I'm old and lazy I'll be one of those guys.

The motor in there was toast. The weight was about the same, but more was displaced to the rear iirc. Parts to fix/upgrade are easier and cheaper now too. We had a blast getting it all put together.

dudermagee

11-30-2014, 07:19 PM

misses point completely.

bmws are ez tuning, 80s, 90s, '00; brand new f10 M3/4s arent the only bimmers you wont catch.

500/500 whp/tq is what most BMWs I6s shoot for minimum when going turbo.

the majority of the motors have forged internals. Cutring hg and arp studs and the block is good to go.

pick up a used m52 for a few hundred bux, plow a few g's into the turbo system, tune on the stock ecu (dme) = cheap speed.

fast forward to the n54 generation, tune, intake, exhaust, and e85 and theyre at 450/470 hp/tq

actually its the opposite. Were so hyped on whats going on w/ BMWs that when someone is talking out of their azz (you) we have to let em know why theyre missing out.

and if they still are missing the big picture then oh well move it along were busy having german rwd fun.
Never said I didn't like old cheap BMWs. I just laugh at these new over priced cars. Might as well get excited about the new Corvette's
Wow those are some pretty impressive numbers you are putting down. I always read the m52's had thin cylinder walls. What kind of turbo setup do you have?

vanish1

11-30-2014, 07:47 PM

Never said I didn't like old cheap BMWs. I just laugh at these new over priced cars. Might as well get excited about the new Corvette's
Wow those are some pretty impressive numbers you are putting down. I always read the m52's had thin cylinder walls. What kind of turbo setup do you have?

not really sure what you mean by overpriced? No other manufacturers offers what bmw m GmbH offers for the price

M52 is 2.8l has room for extra bore.

The S52, what I have, is the one that has the thinner walls since its a 3.2l

not really concerned with numbers like that atm, stock 240/240 hp/tq is plenty fun and I am focused on the cars best part, its handling, doing a full suspension refresh.

that and my secret lover the e21 I would have rather have fully restored before the ///M becomes a track car in the future.

etc etc etc etc etc etc

new struts installed earlier today, luv oem pr0n:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e157/VanishS14/IMG_20141130_113913276.jpg

simmode1

11-30-2014, 09:48 PM

That's part of the fun when you pull on a 60k brand new sports car. The only people that don't care are the elitest douches that think the m3 is gods chariot. And in my experience that's because they dont know shit, never turned a wrench, and have a silver spoon shoved up their ass.
You sound like you live life a quarter mile at a time... lol

That's fine if that's your experience. My experience is that I'm about done toying with 20+ year old polished shit piles. At some point, you want your fast car to be the same one you can be taken seriously in when you pull up to the office or nice restuarant & the same one that your girl isn't ashamed to be seen in.

I never said BMW is the ultimate at anything, but it's pretty good at providing a robust platform for turning. If you prefer the 80's & 90's models... cool. Have fun with that. But I think you're missing out on the N54/55 powered cars. We're talking easy boost here. Like JZA80 Supra easy, but newer and without the FnF tax. They won't be $60k cars forever. You can grab a 2007 BMW that's factory turbo'd with internals good for 700hp for like $13k now. Imagine what the M4 will be going for in another 7 years.

pacotaco345

11-30-2014, 11:10 PM

That's fine if that's your experience. My experience is that I'm about done toying with 20+ year old polished shit piles. At some point, you want your fast car to be the same one you can be taken seriously in when you pull up to the office or nice restuarant & the same one that your girl isn't ashamed to be seen in.

^^ This, I'm 21, a graduating senior in college this year, and will be commissioning as an officer in the AF when that happens. I currently only own my carboi 240 and subsequently its my daily. Now as far as 240s go, its nicer than 95% of whats out there, the paint is all one color, my aero is in tact, I have a reliable 350 hp SR and full interior. It brings all the boys to the yard and walks on stock m3s, mustangs and all the cars that the rich kids at my college own, and I enjoy every second of foot to the wood embarrassment of those individuals. HOWEVER this isn't always the way I want to be portrayed.

When I take girls out I borrow other friends cars, thats not because I think my car sucks but do you really think your date wants to be riding around in a car you can't hold a conversation in with her tits bouncing all over the place? When I apply for internships or jobs I don't take my car, would you want to hire someone who just took 5 minutes maneuvering their car into your parking lot? When I commission into the AF I'm getting another car and not driving my 240 to work for at least a few months. Do you think the group of 18 & 19 year old airmen I'm going to be in charge of would be more likely to respect someone driving a grown up car? Or someone who showed up in something they wish they could build with their $800 paychecks.

dudermagee you might think that 40k is a lot of money for a fast car, but you can't really put a price on being a grown up.

GabeS14

12-01-2014, 02:17 PM

a base m235i is 43k msrp

M4 msrp is 64k

you can do euro delivery, get another 5-7% off, use that money for the vacation trip to Germany to get your car.

not really sure what your point is? These are luxury segment cars.
My point? is that the M235i is being sold for over $60k..!!!
yes you pointed out the $43k msrp, but when you go to the dealer they are much higher, most are in the mid $50's and fully loaded they are in the M4 price range. So when the M2 comes out I assume it'll be higher priced then the M235i correct? Putting it in the $70's?? thats my point.
I think thats crazy.
dont you?

Corbic

12-01-2014, 02:29 PM

joeapple8

12-01-2014, 04:42 PM

I'd want a m50 turbo e30 one day.

vanish1

12-01-2014, 07:16 PM

My point? is that the M235i is being sold for over $60k..!!!
yes you pointed out the $43k msrp, but when you go to the dealer they are much higher, most are in the mid $50's and fully loaded they are in the M4 price range. So when the M2 comes out I assume it'll be higher priced then the M235i correct? Putting it in the $70's?? thats my point.
I think thats crazy.
dont you?

youre not thinking about this the correct way.

the total price of a car after all the packages are added is not indicative of its relative worth compared to other models and their price points.

like buying a base wrx for 26k or an impreza starting at 19k with 7k in trims and packages.

fully loaded civic ex vs civic si, etc

1M new was $47k msrp.

silviasandbeer

12-01-2014, 09:19 PM

simmode1

12-01-2014, 09:59 PM

There's a 1 series parked outside my apt....
I used to hate the design. Too small. Squashed looking.
I guess it grew on me cause I'm looking at it thinking, wow, I would love to have that in my driveway next to my imaginary s14 lol

Has anyone mentioned that in the "future 240sx" thread?
Rwd, small, manual trans
A 2009 128i with 136k on the clock is going for 9500$ in north ridge
I mean, that's how much properly sr swapped koukis are going for on here lol
I'll be surfing youtube reviews if anyone needs me
Me talking about the 135i & 335i so much in the 'future 240sx' thread is the whole reason we had to start this separate discussion... lol

I used to hate the way the 1 series looked as well. It wasn't sexy/sleek like the 3 series & it wasn't aggressive either. It was just blah. But then I took a closer look at the 1M. Problem solved! 1M conversion FTMFW! Just remember to get rid of the amber in the headlights too & you're set!
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=561856&d=1312402738

The 1M is already a collectible. I haven't driven the 128i, but I hear it handles great & that it's a worthy spiritual successor to the USDM E36 M3.

But I have driven the 135i. Yeah, I wasn't in love with it's handling. In fact, I felt my old autox prepped S13 was way better. When I think back on that drive, I now understand exactly what ppl are complaining about when they say it feels 'floaty' & 'vague'. I couldn't really put my finger on it back then though.

But we're talking crazy power production potential on the 135i. I'd be fine with letting the aftermarket address it's handling woes if I could just get my hands on that boost fiend of a motor.

vanish1

12-02-2014, 12:07 AM

Has anyone mentioned that in the "future 240sx" thread?
Rwd, small, manual trans
A 2009 128i with 136k on the clock is going for 9500$ in north ridge
I mean, that's how much properly sr swapped koukis are going for on here lol
I'll be surfing youtube reviews if anyone needs me

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?p=1066237187

they can look very clean done right, small but spacious in the right places.

I used to hate the way the 1 series looked as well. It wasn't sexy/sleek like the 3 series & it wasn't aggressive either. It was just blah. But then I took a closer look at the 1M. Problem solved! 1M conversion FTMFW! Just remember to get rid of the amber in the headlights too & you're set!

someone photoshop an e36 LTW wing onto a e82 see how it looks hehe
http://www.jdmeuro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/BMW_E36_325is_Enkei_RPF1_04.jpg

simmode1

12-02-2014, 08:24 AM

You know, now that I think about it, the 1 series kinda reminds me of the s14 Zenki in the way that it is generally disliked because it isn't pretty in the classical sense. It takes someone with vision and love for that chassis to really make it pop & stand out. The more I look at the 1 series, the more I like my Zenki and vice versa. I always had a strong preference for fastback styling previously, but these curvy coupes are really growing on me hard.

I just wish there was more solutions & info available about ridding the 135i of its vague steering response. I really wonder if swapping in the 128i's power steering system would work or if its even possible. Or maybe disconnecting its steering rack sensors so it feels more like a manual rack... Hmmmm.