beginner drift talk

[Loomis112]

Let me be clear and state that I am literally just learning the basics and have only just started attempting to get sideways a month ago.

I only have a few questions plain and simple. Let me go ahead and say I have stock springs with kyb struts

I find it kind of hard even with my sr to break loose like I see all the guys able to slide out so easily and I have to really kick that clutch to get it to respond. One question is will excessive clutch kicking hurt my car? When I say excessive I mean just when needed and not just mashing on it randomly.


One other thing. Coilovers. Do they make you break loose easier? Does have your cars centee of gravity lowered with harder suspension help you easily break loose because I imagine with my setup because of the suspension travel and how light the setup is that, that is also part of the reason its hard for me to break loose. Am I right or wrong?

Just looking for some incite from someone who knows these things thank you

Also sorry about the messy post im typing from my phone and it's not that easy to make the post look nice

[Fuego]

Weld the diff or buy a 2-way, buy an HKS WG actuator and turn up to 11psi, stiffer shock/spring rates will help but you don't need 12k/10k to go skidding.

I also recommend looking up the drift bible.

[bmaddock]

+1 to drift bible. With stock KA I had good luck with a super crude setup of airing my rear tires up to like 60psi (stock 195/60 tires like to roll), turning coilovers to full stiff in the rear, welding diff and most importantly relax. I'm still a noob too but what I've learned is beginner level drifting is pretty easy once you relax and let the car do the work.

First event I was way too controlling and put every input I could into a drift. I started to do much better when I did those settings I mentioned above and just sat back in my seat firmly and used a bit of weight control and plenty of clutch kicks. I started doing 2nd gear (slow), mild scandinavian flicks with a well timed clutch kick to initiate. Keep your head turned in the direction where you want to go and don't be afraid to let go of the wheel to let it spin around countersteering.

[first_choice]

under-powered cars and tire pressure is crucial. you might sacrifice some grip though.

[ixfxi]

I find it kind of hard even with my sr to break loose like I see all the guys able to slide out so easily

under-powered cars and tire pressure is crucial.

sr = under-powered?

are you well, my friend?

[Goofs]

My best advice to you, and anyone else thinking of getting into drifting is to read this entire thread. A TON of great info from experienced drivers.

http://jdmchicago.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26215

Also, stick to simplicity. An SR is all you need power wise.
Focus on:
A quality set of coils, new or used
Bucket Seat
Steering wheel
Welded diff.
A working E-brake. No hydro.

The more reliable your car is, the more seat time you'll get.

Please don't think of an LS, 1/2JZ, or RB swaps. If you do not have the experience/skills, these setups will only hinder your learning.

Hopefully this helps!

[TMW]

with an sr getting it to "break loose" should be easy lol

you shouldnt even need to clutch kick, just power over, like floor it and turn at the same time

even in my s13, which is totally stock (stock KA, open diff, stock suspension) i can do good donuts/figure 8s and im not even that good of a driver

[first_choice]

sr = under-powered?

are you well, my friend?

I'm perfectly fine, if you ignore the fact that you're trying to heckle me and read that this guy is complaining about struggling to break loose with an SR then he must be barely breaking 200 hp to the wheels or still needs to learn how to initiate. In my world we call that under-powered.

[SaNTi]

My best advice to you, and anyone else thinking of getting into drifting is to read this entire thread. A TON of great info from experienced drivers.

http://jdmchicago.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26215

Also, stick to simplicity. An SR is all you need power wise.
Focus on:
A quality set of coils, new or used
Bucket Seat
Steering wheel
Welded diff.
A working E-brake. No hydro.

The more reliable your car is, the more seat time you'll get.

Please don't think of an LS, 1/2JZ, or RB swaps. If you do not have the experience/skills, these setups will only hinder your learning.

Hopefully this helps!

All this + seat time.

[Loomis112]

Thanks for the help guys.

And yes I am a total noob to drifting and the most ive ever really done is donuts around a concrete circle that me and some firends go and chill at on saturdays.

I live up in Idaho so finding a place to drift even track wise is really tricky.

I do have a welded diff also some other mods on my sr are gt2871 apexi neo z32 maf and 550cc injectors.

But like I said im new to it and I will definetly try some of the stuff I have read about today thanks

[Loomis112]

Also what tire pressure should I roll with? I'm running stock wheels so 205/60r15's

[KevinEdgar]

Seriously all you need are coilovers since you already have a welded.

Run the rear tires at about 50 psi, then lower it if you feel you need more grip.

[xoxide]

Is anyone else scratching their heads as to why this kid cant break the tires loose in a 2871r/SR setup? Somethings not right. lol

[Goofs]

Is anyone else scratching their heads as to why this kid cant break the tires loose in a 2871r/SR setup? Somethings not right. lol
Lololol was thinking exact same thing. Dont worry, he'll get it.

Another solid piece of advice is let someone who knows what they're doing drive, and observe. Get as much pointers as you can.

We've had a couple drift 101 events here in Chicago where experienced drivers ride along with you all day giving you pointers. No spectators so no added pressure, just concentration on driving and improvement.

[ixfxi]

I'm perfectly fine, if you ignore the fact that you're trying to heckle me and read that this guy is complaining about struggling to break loose with an SR then he must be barely breaking 200 hp to the wheels or still needs to learn how to initiate. In my world we call that under-powered.

Yeah well, in my world you're...... a moron.

If you cant break traction in an SR its not because the car is under-powered, its because the driver is inexperienced or the motor is shot.


Seriously all you need are coilovers since you already have a welded. Run the rear tires at about 50 psi, then lower it if you feel you need more grip.

50 psi? Are people really drifting with 50psi? What_the_fuck

Seriously, whats wrong with you idiots... if you need to jack the pressure up to 50psi you should consider just driving on a 185 sized tire.


Is anyone else scratching their heads as to why this kid cant break the tires loose in a 2871r/SR setup? Somethings not right. lol

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[Loomis112]

Yeah I'm very inexperienced I've said it several times and the title of the post includes "Beginner"

But im all ears for learning and taking advice and this thread so far has been very helpful thank you

[SoCalDrifter]

just keep it floored

[xoxide]

Gun it towards the nearest mailbox, rip the ebrake, countersteer, and hope for the best. That's how all the legends learn... trial by fire.

[KevinEdgar]

50 psi? Are people really drifting with 50psi? What_the_fuck

Seriously, whats wrong with you idiots... if you need to jack the pressure up to 50psi you should consider just driving on a 185 sized tire.

Yes, I used to run ~50 psi rear when I was on 15s. Tons of smoke, and the tires lasted a good bit.

I'm trying to help a forum member, leave the bullshit out man, it's not necessary...

All you have done is come into the thread with absolutely no helpful information for this curious beginner. You should just get the fuck out of here.

[bataangpinoy]

Drive faster/ rev higher

Your SR will need time to spool the turbo, which means your powerband will be up top, which means low speed shit sucks

Out here, I often find myself upshifting from 2nd-3rd with the s15 sr20det I just put in, which has less power than what you have.

[Nismocoupe13]

Pretty much all of the suggestions are true. When I first started all I did was weld the diff, throw some coils on, and dumped some weight. Was able to get my KA to let me slide on through.

All in all, SEAT TIME!!

Good luck.

[ZX88]

actually this is a pretty good video for getting an idea of techniques.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGyDAj_dYw

[feito]

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Steering wheel


wtf??? mind to explain? Smaller better some say? I dont think it'd make a difference for a beginner...

[Goofs]

wtf??? lol
Are you dumb?

Night and day difference between a stock steering wheel compared to a Nardi or whatever brand you choose....

[vJilly]

Gun it towards the nearest mailbox, rip the ebrake, countersteer, and hope for the best. That's how all the legends learn... trial by fire.

funniest shit i have ever read. shame the whole thing wont fit in my signature.

[TMW]

about the steering wheel, it really does make a significant difference in steering feel and control in my opinion

also stock steering wheels are really ugly

[slideslidegnarslide]

It sounds to me like you are babying the car. Are your clutch kicks at low rpm? As stated above it is a 4 cylinder turbo car and needs to be driven as such. Get those rpms up. I'm not saying bounce it off limiter, but you gotta give that turbo a chance to spool.

[Reece]

Weld your differential now. Buy nice coilovers now. Grow some balls.

You will soon be a drift god

[PowerDrifter]

All right look man there lots of ways you can do this all right. Handbraking is the easiest so the first thing I want you to do, I want you to rip that E-Brake all right. After you rip that E-Brake then I want you to power over

[ixfxi]

all you have done is come into the thread with absolutely no helpful information

thank you very much, i try my best

[Flako]

I recently started drifting as well. So I am also a beginner. But from my last two events I've learned a lot.

I jst have a stock KA, BC Coils, Tein Tie rods, welded diff, bucket seat, nardi wheel.

Like everyone on here has mentioned. You need to practice a lot. In the beginning ur natural instincts will make you want to control the car.... Therefore, you punkout on smashing the gas or letting go of the wheel. However, u just need to relax n let the car do what you want it to do. Time your clutchkick with your weight shift n smash the gas, n let go of the wheel.....then catch it on counter...

Your setup sounds like you have more than enough power to slide it. I think its jst timing.

Best advice Ive gotten so far is "stop being a bitch, speed up n smash the gas" lolol. And so far thats helped a lot.

[Nissansota240]

Best advice Ive gotten so far is "stop being a bitch, speed up n smash the gas" lolol. And so far thats helped a lot.


Stop driving like a little bitch is probably one of my favorite words of advice to give out. Generally if that person listens to that, they realize they drive better when they worry less.

I know this because my first year learning to drift I spent way to much energy in worrying about little shit and stuff like that, instead of just focusing on driving.

[Brokebackdrifting]

All right look man there lots of ways you can do this all right. Handbraking is the easiest so the first thing I want you to do, I want you to rip that E-Brake all right. After you rip that E-Brake then I want you to power over

gtfo bow wow.



jk that was pretty good haha.

[Confuzedd]

I know now that a welded diff is the way but why not a vlsd ?:o

[xoxide]

Because OEM VLSD's still tend to be unpredictable and don't always lock, or come unlocked mid drift. Welded or quality 1.5 or 2 way LSD is the way to go.

[Tempo]

i also recommend looking up the drift bible.


+1 to drift bible.

~ drift bible with keiichi tsuchiya ~

[Flako]

The drifffffft king

[ilovemycoupe]

Wait for a rainy day and find a huge parking lot

[ilovemycoupe]

~ drift bible with keiichi tsuchiya ~


THE DRIFT BIBLE [emoji119]

[Hoffman5982]

This may sound funny but it really did help me. Invest in a steering wheel setup for you playstation/xbox/pc. I got a Logitech G27 and got really good with it on Gran Turismo, went out to my very first event and was linking the entire course with my bone stock KA by the third run. I hadn't even gone out street drifting before that event. I recommend playing Live For Speed on PC as it's way more realistic.

[macey]

get yourself a decent wheel alignment and learn to grip drive (puts flame suit on). when you no the point where your car will start to slide you can then start to initiate the car to slide. ass dragging and clutch kicking isnt drifting. using speed and clutch/ foot braking to get the car to shift weight to the front and get the car to step out is drifting.

[shawn1331]

Did u get a tune for 550cc injectors? I wonder if he's bogging out mid range and that may be why he seems to not have the power. His engine might be flooding before it can burn the extra fuel

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