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Have any of you guys done this? Right now I have an S13 and an S14, but I've been thinking about getting rid of them for a 350Z. More power, newer, etc. They're also getting pretty cheap now. Just use this thread for opinions on S-Chassis versus Z33 and to share pics of cool Z33 (dont see too many cool drift styled ones).
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BNASTYs13
07-08-2014, 07:31 PM
Yeh. I went from a bolt ons SR making around 280 whp (s15 t28 and 550cc) to a 03 enthusiast and the 350z felt really slow. If you are going from a KAde then yeh itll feel nice. Z33 are great platforms i like them alot but i sold mine after 4 months.
coupesallday!
07-08-2014, 07:34 PM
There's already a thread for Z's...
jr_ss
07-08-2014, 08:16 PM
This should probably not have its own thread and be located in the small questions thread.
well we'll see, if admin wants to lock so be it
but i could really care less, there isnt any good threads pertaining to z33
az_240
07-08-2014, 09:35 PM
I used to work at a Nissan dealership and drove quite a few Z's... never liked em that much. My first impression was the interior is kinda cheap looking, HORRIBLE blind spots... can hardly see out of the thing, it's slow and felt heavy in the corners. WRX/Evo and ~300 hp 240 are way more fun to drive IMO.
ixfxi
07-08-2014, 09:37 PM
the z33 drives totally different than an s-chassis with sr20det
i felt that the handling was a bit over-sensitive and twitchy...
very linear power though, but that should be given (na vs turbo)
ksuberk54
07-08-2014, 10:01 PM
I've had a 350z for three years. Love it to death. Wouldn't change a thing about it other than being boosted!
Bushido
07-08-2014, 10:16 PM
350z is superior to 240sx in BULBOUSNESS.
simmode1
07-08-2014, 10:20 PM
Gonna be honest, after I leave the 240 world, I'm going to S2000's. Honda chassis engineering and the F20/22C are pretty damn amazing in that package. Makes me not so scared of N/A to turbo projects anymore. GTX3076r on the S2K = Oh, hello low end torque! Kicks the raw dog shit out of the Z33 in terms of power production. Plus the S2k still looks good on 17's, which means tires are less expensive. Not necessarily a strong pick for drifting though.
Not necessarily a strong pick for drifting though.
i like the s2000 a lot, but the fact that its not really too "driftable" steers me away from them
simmode1
07-09-2014, 02:58 AM
^^^One of the many reasons I'm liking the S2000 more and more. I can only hope that the driftards continue to steer clear of it. What a terrible fate awaits the thousands of cheap 350Z's on the road today...
jr_ss
07-09-2014, 04:46 AM
^^^One of the many reasons I'm liking the S2000 more and more. I can only hope that the driftards continue to steer clear of it. What a terrible fate awaits the thousands of cheap 350Z's on the road today...
Maybe, just maybe, they'll move on from the 240's when they are cheap enough to drift into a wall.
ixfxi
07-09-2014, 07:52 AM
Gonna be honest, after I leave the 240 world, I'm going to S2000's. Honda chassis engineering and the F20/22C are pretty damn amazing in that package. Makes me not so scared of N/A to turbo projects anymore. GTX3076r on the S2K = Oh, hello low end torque! Kicks the raw dog shit out of the Z33 in terms of power production. Plus the S2k still looks good on 17's, which means tires are less expensive. Not necessarily a strong pick for drifting though.
Chassis & suspension felt good, (lack of) torque from motor felt like poo. S2000's are good cars though, but its a convertible... and a convertible will always be a convertible. Once you own one, you'll know what I am talking about. Good rigidity, all things considered.
Plus, its pretty sad how often their seats get stolen..
i like the s2000 a lot, but the fact that its not really too "driftable" steers me away from them
Says who? I had no problem sliding the S2000. I found the Z33 more snappy and difficult to control.
simmode1
07-09-2014, 09:47 AM
^^^Shhh... just let him think what he wants. Yeah, S2000's CAN'T be drifted...
I'm also not a fan of its lack of torque in stock form, but what that motor is capable of when turbo'd is nothing short of amazing to me. That is one crazy flowing head. Smokes even a SR20VET VVL, I think, in terms of flow.
As for the convertible, yeah, I'd prefer a T-Top really like the SW20 MR2 or Z32TT. But lets be honest: S2000 is dramatically superior to them. I think I can live with the vert top, but there are hard top options.
Maybe, just maybe, they'll move on from the 240's when they are cheap enough to drift into a wall.
Dude, this is already happening. The Z33 is already becoming the cheap weapon of choice for drifters. Grab a 2003, get coilovers, Welded diff, straight pipe. Boom. Ready to go. No expensive mods like engine swaps are needed. The broad powerband takes all the work out of building an amatuer drift car, so the lazy asses are flocking to it for the relative simplicity.
ixfxi
07-09-2014, 10:10 AM
I'm also not a fan of its lack of torque in stock form, but what that motor is capable of when turbo'd is nothing short of amazing to me. That is one crazy flowing head. Smokes even a SR20VET VVL, I think, in terms of flow.
honda is not known for over-engineering their cars. what i mean is, they're engineered to support what they make (unlike toyota, for example)
i may be wrong here (though i doubt it), but the rear-end in the s2000 (7" ring gear) cant handle too much power and the high-compression isnt exactly turbo friendly. i would think if you start boosting, you're going to need internals and stronger drivetrain...
going NA -> turbo isnt a walk in the park. do it wrong and your car can easily become a garbage can...... you know, like most of the builds here.
LoneStarSilvia
07-09-2014, 10:43 AM
I owned a S2000 out here in Japan and it's a DAMN good car. You only need to see one perform and an AutoX or Circuit event to be convinced. The lack of torque is pretty lame, but a supercharger, let alone a turbo makes up for it.
I was a convertible hater too, but I didn't mind it one bit when the weather was perfect. Although I did rock an OEM hardtop, some days I couldn't resist but to leave the hardtop in the garage.
I also thought the interior was perfectly simplistic. Having all the controls a fingers length away is genius.
simmode1
07-09-2014, 10:56 AM
honda is not known for over-engineering their cars. what i mean is, they're engineered to support what they make (unlike toyota, for example)
i may be wrong here (though i doubt it), but the rear-end in the s2000 (7" ring gear) cant handle too much power and the high-compression isnt exactly turbo friendly. i would think if you start boosting, you're going to need internals and stronger drivetrain...
going NA -> turbo isnt a walk in the park. do it wrong and your car can easily become a garbage can...... you know, like most of the builds here.
^^^I totally agree about the rear-end (Hell, the drivetrain in general) not being ideal for drifting or putting tons of power/torque to the ground. But there are remedies for that.
However, I was completely surprised to see what a bone stock internal F20/22C was capable of under boost. It seems to defy that conventional logic. 600hp seems to be their 'safe limit' that most choose not to surpass on the S2000's stock internals and those cars have been running fine for a long time under considerable abuse.
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/923461-stock-internals-how-much-power-can-they-hold/
From what I've been reading, the GTX3076r is a preferred turbo because it will make an ample but not excessive 450hp(ish) with a quick spooling 370+ ft/lbs to produce some real low end torque.
Its a way more fascinating motor than most give it credit for. I mean, it's not bulletproof, but there are alot of examples out there showing that it's much stronger than you'd expect from Honda. I mean, everybody knows that 240hp from a 2.0 is special, but I don't think anyone knew exactly how special it was until they started throwing more boost at it. Like I said earlier: it murders the VQ35 under boost. The HR needs 1.5L more to keep up. The DE's can forget about it.
Another thing I like about S2000's? No hunting around for a manual version. They're all manual! Fucking Awesome.
No 240.. No id
07-09-2014, 11:08 AM
Owning a 350z suck. Unlike a s2k or other cars. Everyone is now driving a Z. I'm talking about old people, young you call it.
I wish they were like a s2k's and were all made manual, if they where then now they will have value and be unique.
I have a z and i'm keeping it stock, simply because everyone hella flush them and there is really nothing different that you can do. Its a great daily car, but i still like my 180 way more than the z.
fliprayzin240sx
07-09-2014, 11:44 AM
Biggest gripe from people I know who owns 350/370Z is the cost of parts. Atleast double what it cost for S-chassis.
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ixfxi
07-09-2014, 01:18 PM
Biggest gripe from people I know who owns 350/370Z is the cost of parts. Atleast double what it cost for S-chassis.
Yeah but thats given when you're dealing with a V-motor, you have 2 of everything... usually.
I totally agree about the rear-end (Hell, the drivetrain in general) not being ideal for drifting or putting tons of power/torque to the ground. But there are remedies for that.
Its a way more fascinating motor than most give it credit for. I mean, it's not bulletproof, but there are alot of examples out there showing that it's much stronger than you'd expect from Honda. I mean, everybody knows that 240hp from a 2.0 is special, but I don't think anyone knew exactly how special it was until they started throwing more boost at it. Like I said earlier: it murders the VQ35 under boost. The HR needs 1.5L more to keep up. The DE's can forget about it.
The S2000 differential internals are identical to the 1.8L Miata, so whoever makes lots of power with either of those cars inevitably will have rear-end issues: broken axles and damaged diffs. I dunno, I think in stock form the S2000 is very balanced... any upgrades should be done with lots of care and consideration.
I'll say one thing about the 370/G37 - the 3.7L motor really screams. Makes the 3.5L look like junk in comparison. But all in all, these are totally different types of cars. The Z is a very mass produced car. I dont think I can say the same for the S2000.
I wish they were like a s2k's and were all made manual, if they where then now they will have value and be unique.
The Z is not that type of car. The S2000 is a sports car. The Z is too, but its more of a Grand Tourer. In some ways, its no different than the Mustang (with exception to the GT500).
Its kinda funny, after taking apart my buddies S30 240Z a few months back... I was surprised to see that the 240SX has more in common with the 240Z than the Z32 300ZX.
SilviaSR20DET
07-09-2014, 02:09 PM
Drove my fathers z for a while before he sold it and curently own an s14 for 10+ years still prefer the 240sx in terms of fun factor because of the weight difference (acceleration is much quicker on the 240). If you like cruising then the Z is perfect for that and obviously newer but for a track/drift car 240sx hands down.
simmode1
07-09-2014, 06:45 PM
Yeah but thats given when you're dealing with a V-motor, you have 2 of everything... usually.
The S2000 differential internals are identical to the 1.8L Miata, so whoever makes lots of power with either of those cars inevitably will have rear-end issues: broken axles and damaged diffs. I dunno, I think in stock form the S2000 is very balanced... any upgrades should be done with lots of care and consideration.
I'll say one thing about the 370/G37 - the 3.7L motor really screams. Makes the 3.5L look like junk in comparison. But all in all, these are totally different types of cars. The Z is a very mass produced car. I dont think I can say the same for the S2000.
Totally agree. The VQ35HR & VQ37HR are pretty stout. BUT... I'd still think the F20/22C is superior due to it's comparative simplicity. I saw a VQ37Hr being rebuilt last week. No fucking way. Nissan must have lost their minds with that damn head & cam design. I am not a fan of it. It makes good numbers, but the S2000 is capable of comparable performance under F/I with way less displacement.
As for the S2k's balance with a boosted motor, it's got enough aftermarket support to manage. Anyway, I'm gonna stop with the S2k talk since that isn't what the OP asked about in the first place.
jr_ss
07-09-2014, 07:42 PM
^^^Shhh... just let him think what he wants. Yeah, S2000's CAN'T be drifted...
I'm also not a fan of its lack of torque in stock form, but what that motor is capable of when turbo'd is nothing short of amazing to me. That is one crazy flowing head. Smokes even a SR20VET VVL, I think, in terms of flow.
Dude, this is already happening. The Z33 is already becoming the cheap weapon of choice for drifters. Grab a 2003, get coilovers, Welded diff, straight pipe. Boom. Ready to go. No expensive mods like engine swaps are needed. The broad powerband takes all the work out of building an amatuer drift car, so the lazy asses are flocking to it for the relative simplicity.
Honda heads flow extremely well, hell even the 4G63 and 4B11 heads flow better than the VVL heads. This is because of the valve angle. S2K heads have their valves almost vertical in the head, which is great for flow.
I know "some" have moved on, I'm hoping all the new fucking retards that have come to the scene will in the end.
honda is not known for over-engineering their cars. what i mean is, they're engineered to support what they make (unlike toyota, for example)
i may be wrong here (though i doubt it), but the rear-end in the s2000 (7" ring gear) cant handle too much power and the high-compression isnt exactly turbo friendly. i would think if you start boosting, you're going to need internals and stronger drivetrain...
going NA -> turbo isnt a walk in the park. do it wrong and your car can easily become a garbage can...... you know, like most of the builds here.
AP1 S2K rear ends are glass. I've seen a few people blow them. The AP2 seems to be a bit stronger, but not by a large margin. I believe a common swap is to an RX7 rear end, but I'm not sure what all is involved with that.
The nice thing is their motors are fully forged from the factory. Good looking cars, I'm not generally a vert fan, but the Spoon or OE hardtop change the game quite a bit.
Memberofthe600hpkaclub
07-09-2014, 09:31 PM
Actually z32 is more common to swap in the back of a s2k they make a kit to make it a bolt in unit
RurouniMidnight
07-09-2014, 10:45 PM
That was my red Z you posted OP. I went from s14 to 350Z and now back in s14 again haha. Nothing wrong with the Zs though I just love the s chassis and it's type of style, but I have been really wanting another Z as well because I miss it, who knows maybe some day.
Good things about the 350z are it is newer car and super reliable NA. The later model HR motor is king if you can afford it, like night and day difference. The Z is super easy as in doesn't take much at all to have a fun nicely modified car unlike taking 1000s of different parts to make a decent 240. It is really easy to drift and a great bang for your buck ride as they are becoming ever more cheaper.
Here are a few pics of mine before I sold it about 2 years ago.http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy262/RurouniMidnight/Mobile%20Uploads/10531104_10202348947821162_2055316679_n_zps381f43e d.jpg (http://s798.photobucket.com/user/RurouniMidnight/media/Mobile%20Uploads/10531104_10202348947821162_2055316679_n_zps381f43e d.jpg.html)http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy262/RurouniMidnight/Mobile%20Uploads/10528729_10202348921540505_1205728136_o_zps31a0c6a 8.jpg (http://s798.photobucket.com/user/RurouniMidnight/media/Mobile%20Uploads/10528729_10202348921540505_1205728136_o_zps31a0c6a 8.jpg.html)
http://i798.photobucket.com/albums/yy262/RurouniMidnight/Mobile%20Uploads/10545126_10202341275189351_1272904625_o_zps6bfa879 3.jpg (http://s798.photobucket.com/user/RurouniMidnight/media/Mobile%20Uploads/10545126_10202341275189351_1272904625_o_zps6bfa879 3.jpg.html)
haha yeah i grabbed them off your blog, thanks for your input!
one of the best looking z33s imo
LoSt180
07-10-2014, 09:25 AM
Why not both? The G is mechanically the same as the Z, so all of the performance parts fit.
I will agree that everything on the Z/G is expensive, even still on a 10 year old chassis. I started with an SR swapped S13, went FWD in a G20t, then the G35. G35 is waaay superior to the s-chassis, in terms of comfort and features, but it's also big, heavy, and expensive. Looks are subjective from person to person, I think they both are great looking cars. I picked up the S14 last year as a project car mainly because I was familiar with it and it's cheap fun. I've spent almost $3K in performance mods on the G, and have about $3K worth of parts for the 240SX (engine swap, etc) and I'll say the $3k goes a lot further, in terms of performance upgrade over stock, on the 240.
Clean S13/S14s are getting harder to find, they're getting old and the drift craze has turned so many of them into missile cars slapped together as cheaply as possible. So far the first year of owning the S14 has been focused on restoration: new rubber seals around the doors, new dash/radio panels, replacing all of the dry rotted bushings, new sunroof, etc. I started the SR swap last month and luckily am working off a front clip, so it's getting retrofitted ABS, complete rear subframe with VLSD and 3.7 gears, new steering wheel, etc. Goal is to have a clean, tastefully modified Kouki for my wife to drive around. I just happen to like them both.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/lost_180/97-Kouki/IMG_20140412_164419.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/lost_180/media/97-Kouki/IMG_20140412_164419.jpg.html)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/lost_180/IMG_20140627_211304.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/lost_180/media/IMG_20140627_211304.jpg.html)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/lost_180/PhotoGrid_1382223445911.png (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/lost_180/media/PhotoGrid_1382223445911.png.html)
smokescreen240
07-10-2014, 09:33 AM
Biggest gripe from people I know who owns 350/370Z is the cost of parts. Atleast double what it cost for S-chassis.
i couldn't stress this enough. i went from a ca swapped 240 to a 2008 350z. i thought i was broke when i owned the damn 240. I just chuckle at people who call 240s money pits. lol.
ksuberk54
07-10-2014, 03:33 PM
As a current 350z owner I would advise OP to do 1 of 2 things: A) get an 07 or 08 Z (HR motor) since it's night and day difference in power NA from the DE and you can make 300whp with just a few bolt ons and a tune or B) get an 03 & boost it. You can get 400 whp with an 03 & a turbo kit + bolt ons. You can probably do both for about 15-16k depending on which option you choose.
ixfxi
07-10-2014, 04:36 PM
the wheels on that g35 coupe........ man, they gotta go.
(unless you're black. if you're black its ok)
and thats NOT a racist comment. i'm just doing a chappelle and saying that latinos have a preference when it comes to wheels (they usually stick out past the fenders). white people have a preference (usually weird, over-priced chrome wheels).... blacks love them forgiatto wheels.... and asians will ejaculate any time they see volk te37s
IM JUST SAYING.........
Future240
07-10-2014, 07:16 PM
Why not both? The G is mechanically the same as the Z, so all of the performance parts fit.
I will agree that everything on the Z/G is expensive, even still on a 10 year old chassis. I started with an SR swapped S13, went FWD in a G20t, then the G35. G35 is waaay superior to the s-chassis, in terms of comfort and features, but it's also big, heavy, and expensive. Looks are subjective from person to person, I think they both are great looking cars. I picked up the S14 last year as a project car mainly because I was familiar with it and it's cheap fun. I've spent almost $3K in performance mods on the G, and have about $3K worth of parts for the 240SX (engine swap, etc) and I'll say the $3k goes a lot further, in terms of performance upgrade over stock, on the 240.
This is the route I am considering. I really like the G35. I want an 08 G35 as a DD, while I build up the S14.
the wheels on that g35 coupe........ man, they gotta go.
(unless you're black. if you're black its ok)
and thats NOT a racist comment. i'm just doing a chappelle and saying that latinos have a preference when it comes to wheels (they usually stick out past the fenders). white people have a preference (usually weird, over-priced chrome wheels).... blacks love them forgiatto wheels.... and asians will ejaculate any time they see volk te37s
IM JUST SAYING.........
I can vouch for the black side this man speaks truth. I have seen those EXACT wheels more than once on different cars. Accords, sentra's impalas etc. I have several family members with wheels like these.
LoSt180
07-10-2014, 09:47 PM
the wheels on that g35 coupe........ man, they gotta go.
Not a fan of the concave wheels? Want a cookie?
I'm sure you have an opinion about the only set of wheels people should install on an S14 also, I'd love to hear it. Sans the cheesy racial stereotypes though.
MIZOAM
07-10-2014, 10:03 PM
I owned a '06 350Z before my S13. As a pre-cursor I should say that I live in North America so my S13 has a KA. I cant talk about the SR20 S chassis, but from my own experience, the 350 is TWICE the sports car the 240 is. The S13 is a great car in terms or its price vs. performance, but the 350Z has newer technology and a bigger engine (double KA hp and torque) which are two important features in a sports car.
I cant see the extra ~50 hp from an SR swap changing my opinion too much when in comparison to the 350Z to be honest.
People complain that its "too heavy" but keep in mind it has a fairly decent sized V6 under the hood with over 300 hp and 270 lb torque which, as another poster pointed out, is linear (on demand) power from a naturally aspirated 3.5L engine. It pulls pretty good and handles extremely well. Its also one of those cars that looks alot better in person than it does in photos. It has these really wide fender flairs both up front and in the back so you can easily squeeze in bigger wheels to accommodate any performance mods you may do. The interior is simple but very driver orientated. The biggest gauge, in the middle, is the tach with the 3 accessory gauges off to the side but also pointed at the driver for quick reading. It will be more expensive then an s chassis (its a newer car, of course it will cost more), BUT it does have a HUGE aftermarket community.
tl;dr
I had a 350 before my S13
The 350 was a great car for multiple reasons
I will eventually go back to a 350 when the time is right
ixfxi
07-10-2014, 10:47 PM
Not a fan of the concave wheels? Want a cookie?
I'm sure you have an opinion about the only set of wheels people should install on an S14 also, I'd love to hear it. Sans the cheesy racial stereotypes though.
I can vouch for the black side this man speaks truth. I have seen those EXACT wheels more than once on different cars. Accords, sentra's impalas etc. I have several family members with wheels like these.
^^ told you
anyone who knows people and who knows cars will agree with what im saying...
besides, you already have the right rim on the s14 - stock. just do us all a favor and dont install that generic, over-sized, concave `ish on the s14. go buy r33 gtr wheels and call it a day.
this is starting to remind me of gran torino when he talks about not installing a big ricer wing on the back of his car
WristWork
07-10-2014, 10:54 PM
http://www.gifwave.com/media/413096/kids-clint-eastwood-grumpy-old-man-gran-torino.gif
LoSt180
07-11-2014, 06:41 AM
^^ told you
anyone who knows people and who knows cars will agree with what im saying...
besides, you already have the right rim on the s14 - stock. just do us all a favor and dont install that generic, over-sized, concave `ish on the s14. go buy r33 gtr wheels and call it a day.
this is starting to remind me of gran torino when he talks about not installing a big ricer wing on the back of his car
There's plenty of Infiniti's with Vossen wheels on them (mine are CV1 (http://www.vossenwheels.com/wheels/VVSCV1.aspx)), and they don't fit into racial stereotypes.
What looks good on the Infiniti won't look good on the S14, so you can sleep better knowing I have no intention of putting that style wheel on the S14.
Without take this too far off topic, my point was the S-chassis and the FM platform (Z/G) are both very good, but also different at the same time. It's really hard to compare the two other than they're RWD and made by Nissan. One's a small lightweight sporty car that handles well but is way underpowered in stock form. The other is a heavier Touring car that handles great and has decent power.
Looks (and wheel selection) are very subjective. I personally didn't like the Z33, but love the Z34. Others probably feel the opposite.
The G is my DD, the S14 will be a fun weekend car.
simmode1
07-11-2014, 07:57 AM
I owned a '06 350Z before my S13. As a pre-cursor I should say that I live in North America so my S13 has a KA. I cant talk about the SR20 S chassis, but from my own experience, the 350 is TWICE the sports car the 240 is. The S13 is a great car in terms or its price vs. performance, but the 350Z has newer technology and a bigger engine (double KA hp and torque) which are two important features in a sports car.
I cant see the extra ~50 hp from an SR swap changing my opinion too much when in comparison to the 350Z to be honest.
People complain that its "too heavy" but keep in mind it has a fairly decent sized V6 under the hood with over 300 hp and 270 lb torque which, as another poster pointed out, is linear (on demand) power from a naturally aspirated 3.5L engine. It pulls pretty good and handles extremely well. Its also one of those cars that looks alot better in person than it does in photos. It has these really wide fender flairs both up front and in the back so you can easily squeeze in bigger wheels to accommodate any performance mods you may do. The interior is simple but very driver orientated. The biggest gauge, in the middle, is the tach with the 3 accessory gauges off to the side but also pointed at the driver for quick reading. It will be more expensive then an s chassis (its a newer car, of course it will cost more), BUT it does have a HUGE aftermarket community.
tl;dr
I had a 350 before my S13
The 350 was a great car for multiple reasons
I will eventually go back to a 350 when the time is right
WTF is this stupid shit? Of course you can't compare an s13 with a stock KA to a Z33. But an SR with mild bolt-ons or KA-T stomps mud holes in the VQ35DE. It will be very expensive to make any of the N/A VQ's keep up with the average SR or KA-T, IMO.
The Z33's chassis is far more rigid though, so its got that going for itself.
I'd pick a Z33 if I was ok with either never having over 300whp or LOADS of cash to turbo it properly. But seriously, I think that engine is junk. Too bad it wasn't the VQ30DET. That would be a different story.
ixfxi
07-11-2014, 10:43 AM
What looks good on the Infiniti won't look good on the S14, so you can sleep better knowing I have no intention of putting that style wheel on the S14.
bullshit, a nice volk or work wheel will look good on both cars - no questions asked
i just searched around and found photos of them installed on range rovers and what not. its that "baller on a budget" mindset, where all you care about is the wheel and not the tire. the first set i looked up on ebay had a set of DELINTE tires installed. DELINTE. I never even heard of that tire before. Most Delinte tires have like 400+ treadwear... christ.
I'm not trying to talk shit here, but I'm just saying... the more you know about wheels and tires the more particular you are about things like structural rigidity, weight, and tire compound. i'de install forged 18" wheels (with proper brakes and sticky tires) before installing 20's with whatever grade tires and stock brakes.
shit, i forgot im on zilvia. nevermind.
LoSt180
07-11-2014, 11:17 AM
bullshit, a nice volk or work wheel will look good on both cars - no questions asked
i just searched around and found photos of them installed on range rovers and what not. its that "baller on a budget" mindset, where all you care about is the wheel and not the tire. the first set i looked up on ebay had a set of DELINTE tires installed. DELINTE. I never even heard of that tire before. Most Delinte tires have like 400+ treadwear... christ.
I'm not trying to talk shit here, but I'm just saying... the more you know about wheels and tires the more particular you are about things like structural rigidity, weight, and tire compound. i'de install forged 18" wheels (with proper brakes and sticky tires) before installing 20's with whatever grade tires and stock brakes.
shit, i forgot im on zilvia. nevermind.
Your problem is making assumptions. Should've clued in on that with your racist stereotypes. Sure some people with Vossens are part of that ghey stance culture with cheap stretched tires. But not everyone. You never asked about my setup. I can't stand cheap tires, run a 285 in the rear, Potenza RE760 summers, not no name garbage tires. I also use Carbotech pads with centric hi-carbon rotors, I stop on a dime with no fade on mountain runs. Yes, these wheels are heavy AF, I can't contest that fact. But it would serve you best to perhaps ask some specs before going off on a holy than tho tirade based on some junk you found on eBay.
Volk, Work, and Rays will good on almost any car, I agree with you there.
ixfxi
07-11-2014, 12:08 PM
come come now, dont be so touchy. just because i made fun of your wheel choice doesnt mean you're doing everything wrong. even if i dont like your wheels, it doesnt matter - its your car.
71 posts... relax man you'll get to 100 soon enough. :-)
black, white, green, yellow... cant we all get along???
unwtdhero
07-11-2014, 12:33 PM
I was gonna "try" to buy a 350z, saw the insurance quote...nope!
Decided to vqswap, way better for the money.
I would have a build thread, but some mod got power hungry..
simmode1
07-11-2014, 12:40 PM
I was gonna "try" to buy a 350z, saw the insurance quote...nope!
Decided to vqswap, way better for the money.
I would have a build thread, but some mod got power hungry..
Please school me on how VQ swapping an S-chassis is better for your money than just buying a Z33? Last time I checked, a VQ swap done right is about 7 grand when you could just buy an early 350z for about $8k.
I'd only consider a VQ swap if I lived in a state like Cali where SR's are illegal. But hell, I'd actually switch to a car with a better factory engine before I'd consider a VQ swap.
brndck
07-11-2014, 12:43 PM
Please school me on how VQ swapping an S-chassis is better for your money than just buying a Z33? Last time I checked, a VQ swap done right is about 7 grand when you could just buy an early 350z for about $8k.
HE JUST SAID. The insurance quote for the z33 was way out of his range.
unwtdhero
07-11-2014, 12:48 PM
Correction, i have 11k plus some change in my swap.
And thanks brndck for spelling it out for him, he seems to have some hostility..
Feel free to check the vqswap fb page to see my pics of the build..
Also, the schassis is lighter than a z. The vq is lighter than a ka; and six speed... Plus a 4.08...
GODBLESS'MERICA
smokescreen240
07-11-2014, 12:49 PM
HE JUST SAID. The insurance quote for the z33 was way out of his range.
yeah, with a couple tickets under my belt, 23 years old and with military discount, i'm looking at 220 a month for premium.
simmode1
07-11-2014, 12:56 PM
I got that part, but I just have trouble believing the insurance savings on a VQ swapped 240 would outweigh the value of the much newer A more advanced Z which would need less work since its not 20+ years old. But if you like a bunch of extra work for arguable results, be my guest.
$11k into a VQ swap? Geezus. I hope that includes forced induction. I would have a look at that build thread, but I lost interest in VQ's years ago.
unwtdhero
07-11-2014, 01:00 PM
350z's value ended in 2003 when they over produced them..
Get a quote for ins. on a s13; im saving. And ill be quicker than any z with comparable mods. And all my engine weight is behind the front crossmember. The benefits out weigh the problems of owning a z
unwtdhero
07-11-2014, 01:08 PM
Then why consider buying a z? Gonna sr swap it? Bahahahaha
smokescreen240
07-11-2014, 01:18 PM
Then why consider buying a z? Gonna sr swap it? Bahahahaha
you laugh..but there are some mean sr'd z's rolling around. lol. the front to rear weight distribution becomes 49/51 or something like that.
LoSt180
07-11-2014, 01:21 PM
come come now, dont be so touchy. just because i made fun of your wheel choice doesnt mean you're doing everything wrong. even if i dont like your wheels, it doesnt matter - its your car.
71 posts... relax man you'll get to 100 soon enough. :-)
black, white, green, yellow... cant we all get along???
Oops, forgot I'm new to "this" forum. Plus I mainly lurk in the classifieds. With my last 240 I think I was on freshalloy and 240sx.org. Zilvia back then was full of "I just sold my Civic, what intake should I buy" types, so I never made an account. That was over 10 years ago.
After owning a G, even though it's a better car, the s-chassis is simply cheap fun. And perfect for a kid on a budget, who also wants to learn how to work on a car; because let's face it, these cars are getting old and brake.
simmode1
07-11-2014, 01:26 PM
Then why consider buying a z? Gonna sr swap it? Bahahahaha
Lol... Hell no. I Look for simplicity. Not into all this reinventing the wheel BS. You're welcome to do whatever you want with your money. No hostility here. I just really wanted to understand your logic beyond the insurance aspect because we have different perspectives.
From my perspective, just buying a 350Z outright won't be as fast as what you're building with comparable mods, but I bet it sure as hell will be more reliable and last longer. That has certain value to me. The expense of pairing that motor with that chassis to gain a few tenths of a second more speed doesn't have much value to me since I'm not doing any timed races.
And the $11k for your swap? You didn't answer if that inculded boost or not. I hope so, because an N/A VQ swapped 240 will still get it's lunch ate by the typical SR with gt2871r for much less money. If you're in a state that crackes down on SR's, I can kinda see, but you're in TN. Are the cops really giving any fucks about some SR's out there?
Again, I'm just trying to understand. Because I would have mated the VQ35's trans to an SR and called it a day.
ixfxi
07-11-2014, 03:17 PM
I was gonna "try" to buy a 350z, saw the insurance quote...nope! Decided to vqswap, way better for the money. I would have a build thread, but some mod got power hungry..
insurance quote, really? this is whats so important here, insurance money?
seriously, if you guys cant afford a bump up in insurance premiums then you shouldnt be modifying cars.
higher insurance premium
vs
swapping a motor from another car and making it work 100% right in an old piece of junk 240SX
hmm...
yeah, with a couple tickets under my belt, 23 years old and with military discount, i'm looking at 220 a month for premium.
let me riddle you this: you're 23 now... do you know how quickly you become 33? in a blink of an eye, really. and your insurance doesnt go up, it goes DOWN. shit, i've been restoring my piece of shit for near 10 years... and you guys are worrying about premiums. im just confused here, sorry.
The benefits out weigh the problems of owning a z
you mean benefits like parts no longer being available? you mean benefits like antiquated suspension design? come on man, the 350z is superior in a lot of ways. theres no good reason to keep with these older cars besides nostalgia or preference for old-tech.
From my perspective, just buying a 350Z outright won't be as fast as what you're building with comparable mods, but I bet it sure as hell will be more reliable and last longer. That has certain value to me. The expense of pairing that motor with that chassis to gain a few tenths of a second more speed doesn't have much value to me since I'm not doing any timed races.
^^ agreed.
and you'll actually own a car that they still make parts for, another bonus.
in the end, i understand why we all do what we do - because we're stubborn morons who dislike having money in our bank accounts and instead, like spending money, buying parts, and creating weird cars out of all these random parts. Some do it successfully (the right way, like me) .. and some do it the wrong way (like all you other morons).
i kid.. i kid.
unwtdhero
07-11-2014, 03:26 PM
No boost in my vq ;)
And no, cops dont care about what engine we run.
And no, insurance ISNT the only reason i didnt buy a z.
I simply wanted to "reinvent the wheel", there will be no shortage of parts available for my car. The vq will have parts at any auto parts store for years to come.
And suspension for an s-chassis will hardly be rare.
When i saved up for this build, i replaced every piece.
Except for subframes, cause well, you cant exactly buy those new.
When i finish it i will post a thread. I will be happy with it.
And z's arent trash, i like them.
But honestly i just love s13's. And it made sense to install a more readily available motor with good numbers right off the bat.
To each their own...
blueshark123
07-11-2014, 03:37 PM
Insurance on my 350z is cheaper then my s14. If both cars were new I would rather get a s14. Good thing about a Z is it doesn't give off the teen punk vibe a 240 does or a s2k would to me.
As far as a daily goes you cant fit shit in the z for cargo space since the hatch has a big strut brace. You're lucky if you can fit 2 wheels in it. It's also a 2 seater which is good and bad for some.
03 models are known to have a shitty transmissions. A lot of people I know that have a z also complain about oil burning problems especially if you have the rev up motor.
Also Don't get a base model either. No traction control or vlsd and some other features.
Gas mileage sucks 22 average and premium only.
blueshark123
07-11-2014, 03:57 PM
1 more thing z forums suck for any info.
Get 240sx if you want a project, get a z if you want a lightly modded daily.
If I was going to heavily mod a z, ls motor would be the first thing I buy.
I love the s2k; I almost bought one, until I got the insurance quote. Ill stick with my two old cars for now. I'd imagine the Z to have a fairly similar insurance premium
simmode1
07-11-2014, 10:36 PM
Insurance on my 350z is cheaper then my s14. If both cars were new I would rather get a s14. Good thing about a Z is it doesn't give off the teen punk vibe a 240 does or a s2k would to me.
It's just the opposite down here in Texas. The punk kids went from Civics to 240's to Z33's and aint learned a damn thing.
Most of the S2000's down here are all class. I should mention there are a few spectacularly awesome Z33's though, but most are just being used to replace a 240 thats been wrapped around a tree or slammed into a partition.
^^was about to say the same
s2000 really is a great car, possibly my next car, but who knows there's tons of cool cars out there
also would have to keep an s chassis of course haha
Mr.slipngrip
07-12-2014, 08:43 AM
Yea I just sold my 06 G35. It was quick and all but just didn't feel right, originally I had a 88Shiro(z31) now I'm back to a s13 with a rb25 lol.
Corbic
07-12-2014, 10:55 AM
I owned a 03 Touring for about 4 years. I've owned my S13 for 8 years.
The 350Z is a great car in stock form... for what it is. However over time it wore on me. The fuel-economy which was great in 03 by today is deplorable. I was getting ~19mpg. The interior styling was cool but my paint was worse for wear.
Suspension, LSD, power, the Z has a lot on a typical 240sx. Sure a SR swapped 240 will be quicker, but it's also not as smooth or stable.
The biggest hold back on the Z is the community of GTL Jersey douchebags who can't turn a wrench and spend their time doing stupid cosmetic mods. I believe as the cars get cheaper they will quickly DOMINATE the world the S13/14 once stood on.
Yes, at $14k no one is thinking of pulling out that VQ, but at $5k... hello LS, RB, JZ, VK even SR swaps. You'll even have a much stronger 6spd trans, a factory LSD, brakes that are 1-billion times nicer and a more solid, competent car.
I would take a Swapped Z over Swapped 240sx any day.
MIZOAM
07-12-2014, 11:12 AM
WTF is this stupid shit? Of course you can't compare an s13 with a stock KA to a Z33. But an SR with mild bolt-ons or KA-T stomps mud holes in the VQ35DE. It will be very expensive to make any of the N/A VQ's keep up with the average SR or KA-T, IMO.
The Z33's chassis is far more rigid though, so its got that going for itself.
I'd pick a Z33 if I was ok with either never having over 300whp or LOADS of cash to turbo it properly. But seriously, I think that engine is junk. Too bad it wasn't the VQ30DET. That would be a different story.
Calm down.
I said in my original post I cant talk about the SR. If OP lives in North America like me, in which all S chassis came with a KA, then ya, stock car vs. stock car the 350Z destroys the 240 (which is what my original post was about). You cant talk about modded car vs. modded car on this topic btw because its pointless as any car can beat any other car with enough modification. I really wanna stress too that I doubt the extra ~50hp with an SR S chassis would be enough to beat a 350Z anyways. I havent driven an SR but I did own a 350Z and now a 240sx, and the 350Z would beat my S13 in straight line and in the curves. My S13 is still awesome and I love it but ya, Z33 > S13 (KA)
Corbic
07-12-2014, 11:36 AM
Calm down.
I said in my original post I cant talk about the SR. If OP lives in North America like me, in which all S chassis came with a KA, then ya, stock car vs. stock car the 350Z destroys the 240 (which is what my original post was about). You cant talk about modded car vs. modded car on this topic btw because its pointless as any car can beat any other car with enough modification. I really wanna stress too that I doubt the extra ~50hp with an SR S chassis would be enough to beat a 350Z anyways. I havent driven an SR but I did own a 350Z and now a 240sx, and the 350Z would beat my S13 in straight line and in the curves. My S13 is still awesome and I love it but ya, Z33 > S13 (KA)
BPU1 SR20DET will run low 13's
DE Z33 will typically be low 14's
HR Z33 will run low 13's
You can drop 2-3k into a SR and it will make 300-400hp. You can't do that with a VQ. However, it's a even race to 400whp if you need to swap a SR+Upgrade or just turbo the VQ.
VQ DE engines tend to get iffy around 400-450whp. HRs are beasts.
ixfxi
07-12-2014, 11:39 AM
ill take a straight motor over a V motor ANY day
too bad the s30 is ancient history
drift freaq
07-12-2014, 12:02 PM
Lol what a shitfest this is. Hmm swapping other engines into the 240sx? Classic American hot rod action. Except when it winds up costing way to much or is way to much work, it no longer becomes worth it. Hence why even though a VQ swapped S chassis is / can be fun it's just to much trouble. I won't deny 6 cylinders rule having owned and driven an RB swapped S13 and being a veteran of 240z's .
In the end to the OP go out and dive a Z33 if you like it buy it. Stop paying attention to internet opinions because on the internet opinions are like assholes everyone has one.
Ya I daily a 98 BMW M3 4/5 now . I love it for the power and handling not so much the mileage. lol I will probably pick up a beater gas sipper as well. I am also planning on picking up another Sports car.
I might sell my S13, in fact it's in the classifieds as I speak. I might put a Kouki 180 front on it and keep it.
In the end whatever I do the final decision will be based on my own intentions not what someone on the internet says I should do. lol
ill take a straight motor over a V motor ANY day
too bad the s30 is ancient history
Mike I will take that ancient history and raise it an RB or your much disliked V engine.
Matej
07-12-2014, 12:44 PM
Y'all can have the worst of both worlds.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c260/Fraldo/DSCF3847.jpg
drift freaq
07-12-2014, 01:59 PM
^^^^^ that has got to be one of the ugliest if not ugliest Z33 I have ever seen.
Corbic
07-12-2014, 02:02 PM
^^^^^ that has got to be one of the ugliest if not ugliest Z33 I have ever seen.
It's a S13 with Z33 front
Bushido
07-12-2014, 07:29 PM
good one Matej
http://i41.tinypic.com/xm7ghj.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UG5y8jWriWo/TIRIW1cQbqI/AAAAAAAAABI/Hg1ikHzkvUE/s1600/Ds-180SX-07.jpg
poops.
drift freaq
07-13-2014, 01:46 AM
It's a S13 with Z33 front
Ok that's the ugliest s13 I have ever seen no matter how you take it it still comes up fugly.
simmode1
07-13-2014, 09:17 AM
You cant talk about modded car vs. modded car on this topic btw because its pointless as any car can beat any other car with enough modification. I really wanna stress too that I doubt the extra ~50hp with an SR S chassis would be enough to beat a 350Z anyways. I havent driven an SR but I did own a 350Z and now a 240sx, and the 350Z would beat my S13 in straight line and in the curves.)
I just didn't see the point of comparing a USDM S-chassis to a Z33. That's like comparing oranges to apples. But it's not pointless to compare a modded s-chassis to a Z if you're knowledgeable enough & set common sense parameters. For example: for the price you'd spend buying a Z33, how far could you take an S-chassis? Start your comparison there rather than citing stock performance that anyone could see just looking at their specs.
You doubt the SR's extra 50hp over the KA would make a difference against a Z33. You're probably right there. BUT WHO THE FUCK LEAVES AN SR STOCK?! Even on the stock T25, the SR with cheap bolt on mods and 14psi will equal the WHP of the Z33. Not to mention the T28 or better. All for less than the price of the Z.
The OP asked if he should pick S14 or Z33. I'd frame my thought process like this:
- Do you value inexpensive & visceral performance most? S14 will give you tons of that for what you'd spend on the Z.
- Do you value a slightly more refined & updated cruiser more? 350z has you covered, but omg if oy want boost, look elsewhere. Its gonna make that engine bay as cramped & hard to work in as a Z32TT and the VQde's aren't really up to the task.
Corbic
07-13-2014, 09:45 AM
I just didn't see the point of comparing a USDM S-chassis to a Z33. That's like comparing oranges to apples. But it's not pointless to compare a modded s-chassis to a Z if you're knowledgeable enough & set common sense parameters. For example: for the price you'd spend buying a Z33, how far could you take an S-chassis? Start your comparison there rather than citing stock performance that anyone could see just looking at their specs.
There are a lot of variables that go into it. For example, sure 11k cash will buy most Z's and one crazy Shit-chasis. However, how many people have 11k cash for a car? Many would likely finance the Z, so 2k down, thats $215 a month for 4 years. Most guys working at 7/11 can swing that.
Now if you go and buy a roller/single-cammer/project for $2k... you are driving a pile of shit for a VERY LONG TIME before you can match that stock 350Z.
Very few 240's are a turbo upgrade away from being cool. Many need lots of restoration and work. Thats money and down time. Changing out all those bushings, fixing rust, figuring out how to get A/C working again, chasing electrical issues, rebuilding blown JDM-yo motors.
You doubt the SR's extra 50hp over the KA would make a difference against a Z33. You're probably right there. BUT WHO THE FUCK LEAVES AN SR STOCK?! Even on the stock T25, the SR with cheap bolt on mods and 14psi will equal the WHP of the Z33. Not to mention the T28 or better. All for less than the price of the Z.
From what I see, most people leave them stock actually. Most of the cool looking cars are actually still N/A KAs (they left no money for speed).
Daemon could have had 2 x Z33s for the cost of this guy...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8040/8067216751_6e76c0a6e7_z.jpg
ixfxi
07-13-2014, 01:13 PM
Lol what a shitfest this is. Hmm swapping other engines into the 240sx? Classic American hot rod action. Except when it winds up costing way to much or is way to much work, it no longer becomes worth it. Hence why even though a VQ swapped S chassis is / can be fun it's just to much trouble. I won't deny 6 cylinders rule having owned and driven an RB swapped S13 and being a veteran of 240z's .
In the end to the OP go out and dive a Z33 if you like it buy it. Stop paying attention to internet opinions because on the internet opinions are like assholes everyone has one.
Ya I daily a 98 BMW M3 4/5 now . I love it for the power and handling not so much the mileage. lol I will probably pick up a beater gas sipper as well. I am also planning on picking up another Sports car.
I might sell my S13, in fact it's in the classifieds as I speak. I might put a Kouki 180 front on it and keep it.
In the end whatever I do the final decision will be based on my own intentions not what someone on the internet says I should do. lol
Mike I will take that ancient history and raise it an RB or your much disliked V engine.
oh shit..........
dave, what brings you back from the dead?
i found your classified ad here:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ant/cto/4556234458.html
<grin>
simmode1
07-13-2014, 04:40 PM
There are a lot of variables that go into it. For example, sure 11k cash will buy most Z's and one crazy Shit-chasis. However, how many people have 11k cash for a car? Many would likely finance the Z, so 2k down, thats $215 a month for 4 years. Most guys working at 7/11 can swing that.
Now if you go and buy a roller/single-cammer/project for $2k... you are driving a pile of shit for a VERY LONG TIME before you can match that stock 350Z.
Very few 240's are a turbo upgrade away from being cool. Many need lots of restoration and work. Thats money and down time. Changing out all those bushings, fixing rust, figuring out how to get A/C working again, chasing electrical issues, rebuilding blown JDM-yo motors.
From what I see, most people leave them stock actually. Most of the cool looking cars are actually still N/A KAs (they left no money for speed).
Daemon could have had 2 x Z33s for the cost of this guy...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8040/8067216751_6e76c0a6e7_z.jpg
You're preaching to the choir. My point is that I'd never say the 350Z > 240sx or vice versa because of all of the variables that should be considered. That decision should come down to: What are you looking for from this car & what is your budget?
Both are good, but there is point of receding returns that the Z hits before the S-chassis, IMO. But to beat a dead horse: S2000 turbo = better then both.
InsTanCeZ
07-13-2014, 06:30 PM
Bro get an SC300.
https://alscarstuff.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/jzz30.jpg http://ohhw3rd.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/ph_rd01_no104b.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_P88NPZIxy7A/TGUWvZKW2cI/AAAAAAAAAN4/Tw7bS080x6Y/s1600/koukisoarer.jpg http://ohhw3rd.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/000000337.jpg http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy305/car-hero/d03_4757.jpg http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/4RW-D1Soarer-07.jpg
Corbic
07-13-2014, 06:43 PM
Bro get an SC300.
Framed Windows. :duh:
jzz30 is a cool car too. theres a thread in the ot about them.
thats what i wanted this thread to be like, discussing s chassis vs z33 and posting cool pics of them
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/dhannie187/evergreen3/IMG_9116.png
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t191/Jspecbnr32/350zversionselect.jpg
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/IMG_03061.jpg
InsTanCeZ
07-13-2014, 06:55 PM
Yashio Factory
http://ra64freddy.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/npq5pj1.jpg?w=1000
http://www.teamyokomo.com/japan/0701/07TAS65.JPG
http://www.teamyokomo.com/japan/0701/07TAS66.JPG
simmode1
07-13-2014, 07:25 PM
I love 350Z's. I just don't think they're worth the trouble to boost.
http://www.canibeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Thee_Zs_Cali_12-900x600.jpg
SC300 is a great idea. Put it on a diet & swap in the 1JZ + the 350z's CD009 transmission. More bang for your buck than Z33, IMO.
http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx198/dennish397/Vertex%20Soarer/1992Soarer30_zps0db4493e.jpg
But like I said earlier... Z33's are quickly on their way to replacing the S-Chassis as the dominant pile of shit drift car.
http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10424412_682058868508931_1904525104_n.jpg
Bushido
07-13-2014, 07:54 PM
Z33 just looks so... BUBBALIZED
ixfxi
07-13-2014, 08:28 PM
Bro get an SC300.
SC300 is a great idea. Put it on a diet & swap in the 1JZ + the 350z's CD009 transmission. More bang for your buck than Z33, IMO.
you guys are fucking retarded
have you ever even driven an SC? its not even remotely close to being a sportscar, its a fucking grand touring sports coupe.
you guys post photos of toyota soarers that come stock with 1JZ-GTE... and those cars are fully modified with widebody aero n shit -- clearly we're not talking apples with apples.
in case you fuckers forgot, here is what your average SC300 looks like:
http://static1.esciudad.com/1993/lexus_sc300_dorado_10321867_1.jpg
and if you are lucky, you find a clean one like this:
http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/
[email protected]
so unless you're going to dump coin, and i mean some REAL money into the car... its pointless to even consider an SC. They're heavy, you cant strip weight off them easily, they dont accelerate well, turn well, stop well, etc. They only do ONE thing well: they're reliable.
Not to mention, most are automatic and have that NASTY fucking TAN interior like this:
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc285/marisa_giuliano/1993%20Lexus%20SC300/IMG_0506.jpg
seriously... sometimes i wonder about you guys
ps: they only came with OPEN DIFF here in the US, which blows dick too.
stevenrapids
07-13-2014, 08:32 PM
I sold both my s14 and s13 to buy a Z and i do not regret it one bit. The amount of time i spent fixing both s chassis cars was to the point where its not even fun. I love having a newer car with less hassle.
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3845/14329915529_9e8ab04066_b.jpg
MIZOAM
07-13-2014, 09:02 PM
I just didn't see the point of comparing a USDM S-chassis to a Z33. That's like comparing oranges to apples. But it's not pointless to compare a modded s-chassis to a Z if you're knowledgeable enough & set common sense parameters. For example: for the price you'd spend buying a Z33, how far could you take an S-chassis? Start your comparison there rather than citing stock performance that anyone could see just looking at their specs.
You doubt the SR's extra 50hp over the KA would make a difference against a Z33. You're probably right there. BUT WHO THE FUCK LEAVES AN SR STOCK?! Even on the stock T25, the SR with cheap bolt on mods and 14psi will equal the WHP of the Z33. Not to mention the T28 or better. All for less than the price of the Z.
The OP asked if he should pick S14 or Z33. I'd frame my thought process like this:
- Do you value inexpensive & visceral performance most? S14 will give you tons of that for what you'd spend on the Z.
- Do you value a slightly more refined & updated cruiser more? 350z has you covered, but omg if oy want boost, look elsewhere. Its gonna make that engine bay as cramped & hard to work in as a Z32TT and the VQde's aren't really up to the task.
Ya, and at the end of the day you would still have a twenty year old car vs a ten year old one. And to just MATCH the performance of the newer car (350Z) you have to put on modifications which are gonna put extra strain on a twenty year old sports car engine (which has already seen its fair share of high RPM fun) = greater probability of break downs/ problems. Although the VQ35DE isnt easily modified (with concern to forced induction) its still a BULLETPROOF engine. It can take a beating and keep going. Again, I have owned both a 350Z and an S chassis and its a no brainer that the 350Z> S chassis. Its only my opinion but I think most people would agree that the newer sports car with the bigger engine/ newer technology is going to be the better car.
Another poster on here said the 350Z will eventually take over the S chassis place in the drift scene once they become cheap enough. I completely agree. The FRS/BRZ/350Z is the next generations drift missile.
InsTanCeZ
07-13-2014, 09:07 PM
you guys are fucking retarded
have you ever even driven an SC? its not even remotely close to being a sportscar, its a fucking grand touring sports coupe.
you guys post photos of toyota soarers that come stock with 1JZ-GTE... and those cars are fully modified with widebody aero n shit -- clearly we're not talking apples with apples.
in case you fuckers forgot, here is what your average SC300 looks like:
and if you are lucky, you find a clean one like this:
so unless you're going to dump coin, and i mean some REAL money into the car... its pointless to even consider an SC. They're heavy, you cant strip weight off them easily, they dont accelerate well, turn well, stop well, etc. They only do ONE thing well: they're reliable.
Not to mention, most are automatic and have that NASTY fucking TAN interior like this:
seriously... sometimes i wonder about you guys
ps: they only came with OPEN DIFF here in the US, which blows dick too.
You're right. They're not going to be awesome sports cars right off the lot. You will have to dump some money into them for that. But if you're into modifying cars, dumping money into them is a given. I don't see what the issue is? lol. The whole point of modifying cars is to take a car that is not necessarily the best sports car or even a decent one, and turning it into something that either looks cooler, performs much better, or both. If you don't want to spend money to do that, then go buy a stock Porsche or something.
ixfxi
07-14-2014, 12:33 AM
because right out the box, certain cars have whats called "sportscar DNA"
the sc is a boat of a car. it doesnt drive, steer, brake or behave anything like a sportscar.
an s-chassis however, does behave like a sportscar
and this is coming from someone who has an SC. its a good car, but i would never call it a sportscar... just "sporty"
simmode1
07-14-2014, 04:15 AM
Ya, and at the end of the day you would still have a twenty year old car vs a ten year old one. And to just MATCH the performance of the newer car (350Z) you have to put on modifications which are gonna put extra strain on a twenty year old sports car engine (which has already seen its fair share of high RPM fun) = greater probability of break downs/ problems. Although the VQ35DE isnt easily modified (with concern to forced induction) its still a BULLETPROOF engine. It can take a beating and keep going. Again, I have owned both a 350Z and an S chassis and its a no brainer that the 350Z> S chassis. Its only my opinion but I think most people would agree that the newer sports car with the bigger engine/ newer technology is going to be the better car.
Another poster on here said the 350Z will eventually take over the S chassis place in the drift scene once they become cheap enough. I completely agree. The FRS/BRZ/350Z is the next generations drift missile.
I swear, this is like talking to a wall. What strain are you talking about? If your car is properly maintained, it is not a strain on an s-chassis to install an sr, which is the engine that was designed to be in there in the first place. I know you aren't very familiar with sr powered 240's, but damn, you're underrating them ALOT. You don't have to go to any extremes to make an s-chassis outperform a z33. A mild sr 240 with a bpu t28, decent suspension like koni yellows + ground controls, j30 lsd, z32 brakes & decent width rubber is more than enough to outperform a z33 for roughly the same cost. Maybe even less. But now you have a ~2800lbs car with ~280whp or so with room to grow.
Yes, you'll have to build which can take some time. Yes, the Z33 will be more refined with newer creature comforts. But it's all about what you're looking for. The OP is looking for his next drift car. It certainly doesn't take much to turn a 350z into a decent amateur drift machine. But if you ever hope to make 300whp or more to really get that almost 3400lbs chassis really moving, I'd look elsewhere due to the much higher expense of boost. But if you can be content with the 350z's N/A performance with BPUs, it's relative simplicity makes it an attractive option.
I'm just asserting my opinion that it's not as clear cut as you're making it seem. Both cars have strong pros & cons in this comparison.
simmode1
07-14-2014, 04:41 AM
you guys are fucking retarded
have you ever even driven an SC? its not even remotely close to being a sportscar, its a fucking grand touring sports coupe.
you guys post photos of toyota soarers that come stock with 1JZ-GTE... and those cars are fully modified with widebody aero n shit -- clearly we're not talking apples with apples.
in case you fuckers forgot, here is what your average SC300 looks like:
http://static1.esciudad.com/1993/lexus_sc300_dorado_10321867_1.jpg
PO
and if you are lucky, you find a clean one like this:
http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/
[email protected]
so unless you're going to dump coin, and i mean some REAL money into the car... its pointless to even consider an SC. They're heavy, you cant strip weight off them easily, they dont accelerate well, turn well, stop well, etc. They only do ONE thing well: they're reliable.
Not to mention, most are automatic and have that NASTY fucking TAN interior like this:
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc285/marisa_giuliano/1993%20Lexus%20SC300/IMG_0506.jpg
seriously... sometimes i wonder about you guys
ps: they only came with OPEN DIFF here in the US, which blows dick too.
Ok, so maybe that is YOUR reality, but its not hard to find much cleaner SC's than that here in Texas. I'll agree with you though, its heavy & more expensive than a 240 to build. But there are plenty of weight reduction guides available online for the SC. Are you gonna get it down to a 240's weight? Haha hell no or not easily anyways. But you can get it down to a 350z's weight or less and with a more powerful engine available. As for budgeting for an SC build, you gotta get s-chassis bargain basement ideas out of your head & start thinking of it as a less expensive alternative to the mkiv Supra.
But you're not the first I've heard commenting on the SC's soft, luxury character. I'll confess to not being sure what it will take to sharpen its performance outside of typical suspension/drivetrain mods, most of which are compatible with the Supra since their chassis' are so similar. But just like the s-chassis, the sc doesn't have to stay with an open diff. its got plenty of lsd options.
ixfxi
07-14-2014, 09:42 AM
Ok, so maybe that is YOUR reality, but its not hard to find much cleaner SC's than that here in Texas. I'll agree with you though, its heavy & more expensive than a 240 to build. But there are plenty of weight reduction guides available online for the SC. Are you gonna get it down to a 240's weight? Haha hell no or not easily anyways. But you can get it down to a 350z's weight or less and with a more powerful engine available. As for budgeting for an SC build, you gotta get s-chassis bargain basement ideas out of your head & start thinking of it as a less expensive alternative to the mkiv Supra.
But you're not the first I've heard commenting on the SC's soft, luxury character. I'll confess to not being sure what it will take to sharpen its performance outside of typical suspension/drivetrain mods, most of which are compatible with the Supra since their chassis' are so similar. But just like the s-chassis, the sc doesn't have to stay with an open diff. its got plenty of lsd options.
oh come on man, you're talking to someone who likes to modify and has no problem removing *.* from my cars...
There is little you can do to make the SC a lighter car, unless you like installing things with less bolts. To give you an example, Mazda would use 3 bolts... Nissan would use 4... Lexus easily uses 5, sometimes more.
Everything on these cars are super reinforced. I have a lot of respect for Toyota, they do things in a very reliable fashion, though often excessive. I've always felt Mazda under-builds and that NISSAN is right in the middle, hence why I like NISSAN so much. But will also say that I see a difference between 90s-era NISSAN and NISSAN of today. NISSAN of today kinda skimps a bit more and parts are more commonly shared, part of the cost-cutting Ghosn initiative.
With that said, there are very few things that you can remove unless you start talking things like doors, hood/trunk, etc... and I would never consider doing that as the quality and fitment suck cock with aftermarket parts.
I've already tossed the boat-anchor seats and installed Supra seats (full manual for both seats). I've relocated the battery to the rear to help with balance. And I've installed larger brakes with negates any weight savings in exchange for real stopping power. I also installed a Soarer Torsen which is extremely hard to find (and expensive).
My point is that these cars are in a different catagory. And while they may be similar to the Supra, they're still not..... a Supra.
LockOn!
07-14-2014, 10:36 AM
K, while you guys bitch at each other imma chime in.
I just went from an s13 (TypeX SR) to Z33 (07 HR engine). I did it primarily because I was tired of driving around a buzzbox and just wanted a 00'+ car in general. My opinion.
Pros:
-Out of the box power, just bolt on some coilovers and have fun.
-Not a rattling POS with limp suspension yet
-Nice interior (IMO) higher build quality, feels more like an Infinity then a Nissan. I actually like it better then my roommates FRS.
-Great transmission
-AC in a fucking drift car wow
-Cops don't stare daggers at you
-Not as paranoid about it getting jacked
Cons:
-Not as fun (lacks boost)
-Can't fit shit in it (looking into hide-a-hitch trailers)
-Poor aftermarket for dress up (everything looks ricey imo)
-Shitty VLSD
-Shitty VDC that can't be fully disabled with the button. (Need to pull the plug which kills VDC, ABS and YAW, otherwise YAW will still kick in with VDC off)
-Extremely shit rearward visibility, I merge like a grandma now.
-No sunroof (I fucking love sunroofs, wanna fight about it?)
-GARBAGE E-BRAKE
Overall I'm happy with the jump. I only manage to drift a handful of times a year but driving a nicer car day to day has proven to be worth it. Can't attest to track performance yet though, coilovers are still in the box and I'm trying to pick a 2 way diff. Probably going with Kaaz Super Q.
This too.
1 more thing z forums suck for any info.
Full of idiots having discussions over lowering springs, if 18x9.5 +25 wheels will fit, and general spoon feeding of info. I really hope a Z33 board takes off on Zilvia.
ksuberk54
07-14-2014, 10:46 AM
Sometimes I wish I had gotten an older Z and modified it more (turbo or sc) or paid a bit extra and gotten an HR Z with more power up front. Oh well, you live and you learn.
Artworks
07-14-2014, 10:46 AM
why can't we just have both?
rv_zenki
07-14-2014, 11:02 AM
I have an S14 and my dad has an 05 G. The S14 has a KA, bolt ons, Coils, JWT tune, J30 brakes and some suspension arms. The G has a Stillen exhaust and AEM intake. I really love both cars for different reasons: the S14 feels rougher (obviously) and more raw than the G does. Yes it only has a KA but power does not interest me much. The G does feel bigger and heavier but the VQ feels super smooth and it is a better daily IMO. So I guess if you really want a dedicated drift car then get a 240 because of cheapness and weight. I honestly do think the G/Z would make a great drift car though if you had the money to do it. It feels very balanced and smooth. They car both just different cars.
simmode1
07-14-2014, 11:20 AM
Ixfxi, seems like you could lose a little more weight without being too extreme.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/sc-400-300/135374-sc300-weight-reduction-worksheet.html
If you could get the SC into the 3200lbs range, I don't think thats too bad if you compare to contemporary sports cars or the heavyweights like the Supra. You probably have an auto. I have no idea what the 350z's cd009 might save you there.
As for rear diff options, theres always the Kaaz 2 way...
stevenrapids
07-14-2014, 12:21 PM
Full of idiots having discussions over lowering springs, if 18x9.5 +25 wheels will fit, and general spoon feeding of info. I really hope a Z33 board takes off on Zilvia.
Probably my biggest issue with owning a z so far is the lack of good forums. +1 on hoping zilvia picks up more z33 info and drivers.
ixfxi
07-14-2014, 01:06 PM
-No sunroof (I fucking love sunroofs, wanna fight about it?)
You're FIRED.
Ixfxi, seems like you could lose a little more weight without being too extreme.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/sc-400-300/135374-sc300-weight-reduction-worksheet.html
You're FIRED too..
For the first guy I am quoting: sunroofs SUCK. Good way to introduce wind noise and more bullshit to break into your car. Second, 350Z interiors blow dick.. cheap fake aluminum plastic shit that started to break back in 03 when they first came out. Seriously, it only takes minutes for any modern NISSAN/INFINITI to look like shit. That fake/thin aluminum accent junk ALWAYS gets scuffed and looks like junk and it only takes 100 miles of usage.
Now, as for you simmode... I am telling you right now, dont ever.. EVER ever EVER... post a clublexus link on this forum. It is grounds for immediate bannage.
Obeewon can attest to how shitty and ignorant the club lexus forums are. I want 100% SEGREGATION between ZILVIA and CLUB LEXUS...
Only MORONS suggest removing your spare tire and jack.
Corbic
07-14-2014, 02:11 PM
Only MORONS suggest removing your spare tire and jack.
Unlike you peasants, some of us are in exclusive clubs like AAA. We don't change flat tires on the side of dangerous highways.
Another issue with spares is aftermarket wheels. If you run staggered you are fucked.
So why bother with that nonsense.
LockOn!
07-14-2014, 02:49 PM
You're FIRED.
For the first guy I am quoting: sunroofs SUCK. Good way to introduce wind noise and more bullshit to break into your car. Second, 350Z interiors blow dick.. cheap fake aluminum plastic shit that started to break back in 03 when they first came out. Seriously, it only takes minutes for any modern NISSAN/INFINITI to look like shit. That fake/thin aluminum accent junk ALWAYS gets scuffed and looks like junk and it only takes 100 miles of usage.
Wooooah chill out man haha. I know sunroofs suck in terms of performance anything, I just like that shit. You know, because sun.
As for the interior, I'd have to disagree. My Z has 80k on it and the accents are un-scuffed. My only complaint is the black coating on the center console release lever, it literally scrapes off with a finger nail but its easy to re-coat. Maybe take better care of your shit? Idk, 100 miles of usage? Really? :ddog:
Still to remain on topic, relative to S13-14 vs Z33, I still think Zs are higher quality from the ground up.
MIZOAM
07-14-2014, 05:17 PM
I swear, this is like talking to a wall.
Two words: Fuck. Off.
Secondly, I never said it would strain the chassis I said it would strain the ENGINE. Its a 20 year old sports car engine (people buy these cars specifically to beat to shit), the fact that it can be as old as 25 years old means it has a high probability of breaking down after you slap on some of your "BPU1" upgrades. The ONLY point I was making is that if you want the overall BETTER/NEWER car that comes STOCK with more power, then go with the 350Z. I guess you live in la-la land and wanna compare dumb shit like modifications: "Hurr durr but once I put on my ebay headers/ exhaust and turn up the boost I'll have 350 HP ALL DAIIIYY!!" Why am I even arguing this shit with you? Youre probably in high school and if you arent, that anime profile pic. is embarrassing. At the end of the day, I have actually owned both and would recommend 350Z>S chassis. Youre the kind of guy that talks shit about how his car could beat another car if you "did this or that" to it. Also, if you wanna talk about "best bang for your buck" horsepower, sorry to say SR20 is a joke compared to an older Vette or mustang.
MIZOAM
07-14-2014, 05:21 PM
he OP is looking for his next drift car. It certainly doesn't take much to turn a 350z into a decent amateur drift machine. But if you ever hope to make 300whp or more to really get that almost 3400lbs chassis really moving, I'd look elsewhere due to the much higher expense of boost. But if you can be content with the 350z's N/A performance with BPUs, it's relative simplicity makes it an attractive option.
Where does OP say he wants to turn it into a drift car?
Corbic
07-14-2014, 06:28 PM
Where does OP say he wants to turn it into a drift car?
He posts 5 pictures. 3 at a drift track and then says "what ya think you don't see to many drifting style ya".
Safe to assume he is not into Miata Spec racing.
Corbic
07-14-2014, 06:44 PM
Secondly, I never said it would strain the chassis I said it would strain the ENGINE. Its a 20 year old sports car engine (people buy these cars specifically to beat to shit), the fact that it can be as old as 25 years old means it has a high probability of breaking down after you slap on some of your "BPU1" upgrades.
Then rebuild the mother fucker. :duh:
You think a 100k mile 350Z has never been beat on?
The ONLY point I was making is that if you want the overall BETTER/NEWER car that comes STOCK with more power, then go with the 350Z.
Better is subjective. Hence the point of this thread. The cars feel nothing a like and I've owned both.
I guess you live in la-la land and wanna compare dumb shit like modifications: "Hurr durr but once I put on my ebay headers/ exhaust and turn up the boost I'll have 350 HP ALL DAIIIYY!!" Why am I even arguing this shit with you? Youre probably in high school and if you arent, that anime profile pic. is embarrassing. At the end of the day, I have actually owned both and would recommend 350Z>S chassis. Youre the kind of guy that talks shit about how his car could beat another car if you "did this or that" to it. Also, if you wanna talk about "best bang for your buck" horsepower, sorry to say SR20 is a joke compared to an older Vette or mustang.
Oh the bloody irony. Maybe you should sit back, chill out and figure out what's what before flying off the handle again... bro.
Also a C3 is a POS on so many levels for soooo many reasons. I adore Mustangs but that is once again, COMPLETELY different. Not to mention a 302 will split in half at 300whp. AWESOME.
The SR20DET is a strong and capable motor. In fact I would argue it's one of the stoutest 4-banger turbos made. The reasoning behind that is they spent 15-20 years having the crap beat out of them in Jaydemmland, got pulled by some monkey at a scrap yard, sat in a container, shipped to the us, bounced around a dozen times, installed by a some hack following a youtube tutorial and then taken to the "Track" to get get the snot beat out of it some more.
VQ35's puke rods and lift heads the minute they smell 400whp.
If you need a resume, here you go...
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/20130803_005204_zps65aeb6df.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/20130803_005204_zps65aeb6df.jpg.html)
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/c81749e0.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/c81749e0.jpg.html)
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/CYMERA_20140207_222118_zpsoypnfxue.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/CYMERA_20140207_222118_zpsoypnfxue.jpg.html)
Now pout in the other room.
simmode1
07-14-2014, 07:09 PM
Where does OP say he wants to turn it into a drift car?
Just use this thread for opinions on S-Chassis versus Z33 and to share pics of cool Z33 (dont see too many cool drift styled ones).
Here.
i like the s2000 a lot, but the fact that its not really too "driftable" steers me away from them
And here.
No need to respond to your other post. Corbic covered it pretty well. Just seems like you either don't like SR's or are woefully ignorant about them. Yeah, they're old & most of the low mileage one are gone. So what? You make it sound like a 2.0T isn't capable to lasting 100k. There's a lot of turbo MR2's still running around with high mileage these days too.
We can already tell reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, so I'll just explain a few things to you clearly. No, I'm not in high school. My age is clearly listed. And there literally is a ton of Zilvia guys that like anime. No big deal. I use my particular avatar because the character practices the same martial art I do, a rarity.
Kinda done talking to you.
/end response
He posts 5 pictures. 3 at a drift track and then says "what ya think you don't see to many drifting style ya".
Safe to assume he is not into Miata Spec racing.
i lol'd
yeah this thread is mainly drift related, not exclusive to drifting though
just wanted to see peoples opinion on drifting/owning s-chassis versus z33 as this is a s-chassis and z-chassis forum
more pics since what ya think you dont see to many drifting style ya
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/slide.jpg
http://www.origin-lab.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/kaki21.jpg
http://cdn.mkimg.carview.co.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPhoto/629664/p2.jpg?ct=034edc476c38
Dirty Habit
07-14-2014, 07:20 PM
I sold both my s14 and s13 to buy a Z and i do not regret it one bit. The amount of time i spent fixing both s chassis cars was to the point where its not even fun. I love having a newer car with less hassle.
This.
I loved my S13. But age/responsibility/career finally called for a car I didn't have to spend a good amount of time working on. That's life.
I enjoy driving my 350z and spend what spare time I can working on it and my 280zxt. I learned a lot from this forum and my 240. :2c:
Bumpkin203
07-14-2014, 08:12 PM
I really hope a Z33 board takes off on Zilvia.
I agree, I've posted pics in the Z thread but it has yet to really take off. I also started my progress thread to document my car. Im sure it will eventually go that route.
ixfxi
07-14-2014, 09:34 PM
Unlike you peasants, some of us are in exclusive clubs like AAA. We don't change flat tires on the side of dangerous highways.
Another issue with spares is aftermarket wheels. If you run staggered you are fucked.
So why bother with that nonsense.
I have AAA. I dont understand why one would NOT want to be self-reliant. I have an electric air pump, spare tire that clears my big brakes (front and rear), and i carry an emergency tool set.
and btw, having a staggered or square wheel/tire setup makes no difference.
If you need a resume, here you go...
Uhm... that turbo is a little too close to your brake fluid reservoir. You may want to do something about that... :-)
btw... i love the sr20det, but i think toyota 1-up'ed us with the 3s-gte. they did the same thing rb26dett vs 2jz-gte. not that the nissan motors are not good. they're just not AS good. those toyota motors are beast.
KiLLeR2001
07-14-2014, 09:38 PM
-No sunroof (I fucking love sunroofs, wanna fight about it?)
Oh lawd don't even get me fucking started.
It's hard to compare the S13/S14 to the Z33 when the majority of you probably drove around a haggered S-chassis to begin with.
And don't tell me "Oh but I had an SR with like 450hp, did 12's on the track bro". The major problem I see with S-Chassis owners these days who think they have a solid car is the retarded wheel/tire combo, inadequate braking system, improper tuning methods, crusty ass 20 year old bushings, improper camber, toe, caster, and a roll center fiasco.
It's completely unfair to compare this type of setup with a Z33 which more than likely just has wheels and a fucking cold air intake, and shitty Chinese LEDs sprinkled all around it.
Fucking people.
LockOn!
07-16-2014, 09:47 AM
baseless assumptions :blah:
Uhhhh, wut? What makes you think you know my setups?? Are you a wizard? I had a straight s13 with stock SR, coils, arms, 2 way, rotas, energy suspension bushings, and hawk pads. Now I have a 07' z33 Grand Touring, coils and arms going on this weekend. Just posting from experience. Have you owned a Z?
I think the Z will do well as a daily which sees the track once every month or so. If your going to be doing more drifting then that I'd stick with a set up s13.
Anyone else go from S chassis to Z?
Corbic
07-16-2014, 10:09 AM
btw... i love the sr20det, but i think toyota 1-up'ed us with the 3s-gte. they did the same thing rb26dett vs 2jz-gte. not that the nissan motors are not good. they're just not AS good. those toyota motors are beast.
Meh, the problem with the 3sgte is there is nothing to put it into. Toyota did race the Supra with it and the Alteza had the hot BEAMS N/A version....but, who is going to give up a2j for a 4 banger?
As for the RB, the 2jz is in a completely different league.
Corbic
07-16-2014, 10:11 AM
Anyone else go from S chassis to Z?
His assumptions are based on the proven track record of reality.
I went from a Z to a Tacoma.
KiLLeR2001
07-16-2014, 08:26 PM
Uhhhh, wut? What makes you think you know my setups?? Are you a wizard? I had a straight s13 with stock SR, coils, arms, 2 way, rotas, energy suspension bushings, and hawk pads. Now I have a 07' z33 Grand Touring, coils and arms going on this weekend. Just posting from experience. Have you owned a Z?
Anyone else go from S chassis to Z?
Thank you for proving my point. You gave me a list of 'mods' you added to your car but you didn't give me any specifics of your settings. Getting the car to handle properly is way more involved than swapping on coils and suspension arms.
The 240sx from the factory as you know comes in truck ride height, the suspension is tuned for this height. Slamming it to the ground and running stretched tires is not fair grounds to compare its handling characteristics to a 350z which already has a lower center of gravity with suspension that is tuned for it. Hell, they even have a model called "Track Edition".
The best thing I enjoy about the 350z is the fact that there are hipster drifters contemplating between buying an S13/S14 to drift into a wall or drifting the 350z into said wall. As time continues to tick, more and more of these hipster drifters will choose the 350z, why? because A/C drift car y0! N/A powah dawg!!! Plus the ladies love it? AMIRITE? Hahahahahahaha.
Bushido
07-16-2014, 08:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/tob8lZe.jpg
LockOn!
07-16-2014, 09:27 PM
:cj:
Hey douche, this is a drift car thread. For fun cars. Cars that do fun stuff and look cool doing it. Definitely not the type of cars where people are going to be splitting hairs about perfect suspension geometry.
For cars like this:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/mexfoodisgood/z33/one10.jpghttp://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/mexfoodisgood/jerrifting/DSC_03451.jpg
zankoku coilovers (12/8k)
spl rear camber arms
spl solid alu dif bushings
spl front endlinks
stillen swaybars
whiteline poly subframe bushings
weds tc105n 18x9.5 +10 (effective -13) and 18x10.5 +12 (effective -3)
pirelli 235/40f and dunlop (?) 265/35r
Not:
http://www.2fingermotoring.com/wp-content/uploads/et_temp/DSC_0103-174158_629x240.jpg
Get off your high horse and out of this thread. Maybe re-read the first post and check out the images? Also, you still don't own a Z so stfu.
KiLLeR2001
07-16-2014, 09:32 PM
Also, you still don't own a Z so stfu.
Only Z I would consider ownership of would be an S30, which (in my opinion), is a much more enjoyable experience than a Z33. Not trying to say the 350z is a bad car or anything, but it just doesn't do it for me.
Different strokes / different folks.
HeyGirlHeyyy
07-16-2014, 10:30 PM
I sold both my s14 and s13 to buy a Z and i do not regret it one bit. The amount of time i spent fixing both s chassis cars was to the point where its not even fun. I love having a newer car with less hassle.
Seriously. I love my S14, but god do I hate it SOOO much. It's always something with that thing. I can only imagine the headache you guys who drift yours have.
I've always been fond of this Z33.
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq289/infinidesigns2/waris004.jpg~original
davidpham
07-16-2014, 11:01 PM
For those who were talking about s2000. I have both s2000 and s14. i like driving the s14 more imo :)
ixfxi
07-17-2014, 08:52 AM
I had a straight s13 with stock SR, coils, arms, 2 way, rotas, energy suspension bushings, and hawk pads. Now I have a 07' z33 Grand Touring, coils and arms going on this weekend.
Yawn...
Hey douche, this is a drift car thread. For fun cars. Cars that do fun stuff and look cool doing it. Definitely not the type of cars where people are going to be splitting hairs about perfect suspension geometry.
You're such an idiot.
zankoku coilovers (12/8k)
zankou makes coilovers?
their chicken is out of control - i cant even imagine what their suspension parts are like.
LockOn!
07-17-2014, 09:06 AM
You're such an idiot.
No you. Does it look like the alignment specs on this thing matters?? Do you care to know them?? Because I can tell you they are retarded.
jzz30 is a cool car too. theres a thread in the ot about them.
thats what i wanted this thread to be like, discussing s chassis vs z33 and posting cool pics of them
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/dhannie187/evergreen3/IMG_9116.png
All you've done is shit up this thread by picking apart peoples comments and droning on off topic. Post pics of Z33s.
LockOn!
07-17-2014, 09:19 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1291587_10151935329155972_1017506099_o.jpg
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n128/NIcad7/MF4M5031.jpg
ixfxi
07-17-2014, 11:05 AM
so this thread is about posting photos of busted up Z33s with missing body panels and lots of camber
isnt that what picture sharing thumbsup/thumbsdown websites are for? fruitcakes like you, who cant seem to properly think and engineer - you just like something based on looks?
fucking moron
Corbic
07-17-2014, 11:21 AM
so this thread is about posting photos of busted up Z33s with missing body panels and lots of camber
isnt that what picture sharing thumbsup/thumbsdown websites are for? fruitcakes like you, who cant seem to properly think and engineer - you just like something based on looks?
fucking moron
Consigned.
Save a car, stop drifting!
HeyGirlHeyyy
07-17-2014, 11:35 AM
Friend's car. If I remember correctly, it was making power in the mid 400 range at the time of this video.
6lsCiaOn2H4
LockOn!
07-17-2014, 12:01 PM
fucking moron
Hahah whooooa got the hater mad over here. First car is clean as fuck not a scratch and the second has a super charger that doesn't fit, otherwise clean.
Again, remember what thread you are in. Z33 and S chassis comparison thread, drift oriented. Did you even read the topic and view the first few images? Or just come here to mouth off and get your 2 cents in because you can't stop swinging e-peen?
If this thread isn't for you just leave it be, fuck.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-irpnsj-0esE/TyE5DzXm4jI/AAAAAAAAHh8/ipb771Ow6oc/s1600/DSC_0154.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TIteh3SsUEE/TyE5Fm0C2TI/AAAAAAAAHiE/tGyj2JOAx8o/s640/DSC_0260.JPGhttp://www.jdm-option.com/photo/images/showdown2008_152.jpghttp://www.motormavens.com/emAlbum/albums/Antonio%20Alvendia/Events/ZT%20just%20Drift%20All%20Star%20Bash%202009/July%2025/_fullsize/IMG_2849_andy_hateley_z33_350z_copy.jpg
ixfxi
07-17-2014, 04:00 PM
^ who is this guy? he kinda sucks
he like... doesnt understand how zilvia works yet.
Corbic
07-17-2014, 04:26 PM
^ who is this guy? he kinda sucks
he like... doesnt understand how zilvia works yet.
Is MAPLE BLOCC in Floriduh?
silviasandbeer
07-17-2014, 04:57 PM
Is MAPLE BLOCC in Floriduh?
sounds like a gang to me
:snoop:
LockOn!
07-17-2014, 04:58 PM
^ who is this guy? he kinda sucks
he like... doesnt understand how zilvia works yet.
What? Don't enjoy being called out for your antics? Too bad. Maybe try staying on topic next time.
Is MAPLE BLOCC in Floriduh?
Seattle :)
jr_ss
07-17-2014, 05:03 PM
Seattle :)
Yes! This qualifies as NorCal doesn't it... Sorry Mike.
troskinatior
07-17-2014, 07:43 PM
Anyone else go from S chassis to Z?
Yep just bought a z yesterday, I like it so much better then my 240 even though it was faster.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i327/troskinatior/20140717_113203_zps2745e47d.jpg (http://s1088.photobucket.com/user/troskinatior/media/20140717_113203_zps2745e47d.jpg.html)
KiLLeR2001
07-17-2014, 09:49 PM
Seattle :)
Fucking Seattle, douchebag central for sure. Go Niners, bitch!
Also, this is the most informative post in this thread...
I used to work at a Nissan dealership and drove quite a few Z's... never liked em that much. My first impression was the interior is kinda cheap looking, HORRIBLE blind spots... can hardly see out of the thing, it's slow and felt heavy in the corners. WRX/Evo and ~300 hp 240 are way more fun to drive IMO.
stevenrapids
07-17-2014, 11:01 PM
This thread is full of people that have egos bigger than their wallet. If you haven't went from an s chassis to a z33 please stay out of this thread. Obviously the s chassis is cheaper to mod and fits way more needs for certain people. Speaking from experience, I've owned both an s13 and s14(both while enrolled full time in school) but after upgrading to a z33 I have no complaints. The z33 is superior in all aspects(in stock form) and is a wonderful upgrade. Modifications are a bit more expensive, but money spent on the z chassis shows a bit more gratification because it is spent upgrading rather than replacing.
KiLLeR2001
07-18-2014, 12:21 AM
You want to know whats superior to the Z33? The Z34.
Much more of a contender against the S13.
Let's hear from the people who went from 350z -> 370z, and never looked back.
ixfxi
07-18-2014, 08:57 AM
This thread is full of people that have egos bigger than their wallet. If you haven't went from an s chassis to a z33 please stay out of this thread. Obviously the s chassis is cheaper to mod and fits way more needs for certain people. Speaking from experience, I've owned both an s13 and s14(both while enrolled full time in school) but after upgrading to a z33 I have no complaints. The z33 is superior in all aspects(in stock form) and is a wonderful upgrade. Modifications are a bit more expensive, but money spent on the z chassis shows a bit more gratification because it is spent upgrading rather than replacing.
you're 22. how much time can you really spend comparing all these cars? not saying you're not justified in having an opinion, but your critique may be off a bit.
people who appreciate the s-chassis are people who appreciate the simpler, light-weight sports car. people who dont understand this, will overlook the fun aspects of the s-chassis in favor of the Z which is a bigger, heavier, grand tourer.
in my opinion, you dont need to look further than this article:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/21/report-nissans-fiesty-mr-k-calls-out-the-370z/
personally, and this is just me - i can say strongly that i probably will not own a vehicle if it has the following:
- multi-airbag
- front wheel drive
- traction control
- digital gauge cluster
- any type of LCD screen needed to interact with the vehicle
- or even worse, a touchscreen (as opposed to buttons and knobs)
- hydropneumatic suspension
the brz is the closest, modern alternative to a 240sx/240z. if only it didnt have that damn motor... oh well.
stevenrapids
07-18-2014, 09:16 AM
you're 22. how much time can you really spend comparing all these cars? not saying you're not justified in having an opinion, but your critique may be off a bit.
people who appreciate the s-chassis are people who appreciate the simpler, light-weight sports car. people who dont understand this, will overlook the fun aspects of the s-chassis in favor of the Z which is a bigger, heavier, grand tourer.
in my opinion, you dont need to look further than this article:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/21/report-nissans-fiesty-mr-k-calls-out-the-370z/
personally, and this is just me - i can say strongly that i probably will not own a vehicle if it has the following:
- multi-airbag
- front wheel drive
- traction control
- digital gauge cluster
- any type of LCD screen needed to interact with the vehicle
- or even worse, a touchscreen (as opposed to buttons and knobs)
- hydropneumatic suspension
the brz is the closest, modern alternative to a 240sx/240z. if only it didnt have that damn motor... oh well.
Just because im 22 has nothing to do with me comparing 2 different cars of which i've owned. I am not arguing that the z is the greatest car or even better than any s chassis. For me, i thoroughly enjoy the z33 way more. As i stated, the s chassis is a great chassis for many different people and their needs, but i believe the z33 is a better car to drive on an everyday basis. The s chassis' are lighter and are fun as hell to drive hard and not worry about all the electronic BS, but are not as favorable to drive everyday. For someone who doesnt mind spending a little more and wants a newer car that doesnt drive like a tin can, the z33 is a great option.
LockOn!
07-18-2014, 09:19 AM
...................
Whatever nerd, have fun in Florida :jerkit:
the brz is the closest, modern alternative to a 240sx/240z. if only it didnt have that damn motor... oh well.
Truth. My roommates BRZ's injectors are sooo loud. I did get 4 18s in the back though yesterday so that was cool, definitely can't do that with a Z.
stevenrapids
07-18-2014, 09:26 AM
My s14 was an absolute blast to drive and drove wonderful. In comparison to the s13, the s14 had less road noise and was a lot more of a touring based car.(atleast from my point of view) Now that i own a z33, i can say that it is even more of a touring car. BUT, thats what i am looking for in a car. It has the ability to be track'd if you would like and also is a very comfortable car to hop in and drive on a day to day basis. I do miss my s14, but i do not regret upgrading to z33 one bit. They are not as easy to work on as an s chassis either.
simmode1
07-18-2014, 11:27 AM
Great points being made by everyone. Can the G35 coupe play too? Peep this one in the lower right corner with the Nismo Z-Tune livery. Making me rethink my next car purchase all over again. Pretty fly if you ask me, sir.
http://www.stancenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/StanceNation-Texas-Photo-Coverage-491.jpg
Corbic
07-18-2014, 12:19 PM
What about the 350's old rival...
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6073/6058490398_a2c0e925b0_z.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/mmbs0h.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc137/SlideJdm/Varrstoen/RyansXR/24793_383398733558_587883558_374085.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/SlideJdm/media/Varrstoen/RyansXR/24793_383398733558_587883558_374085.jpg.html)
Fit a lot of tires in dat bed.
ixfxi
07-18-2014, 04:03 PM
ide take a g35 coupe over a 350Z *anyday*
another thing that bothers me about the z is the tall belt line. whenever you look at someone all you see is their head. car has poor visibility.
this is NOT the case with the S13 - its got fucking EXCELLENT visibility... from any angle.
Matej
07-18-2014, 04:04 PM
Cars with lots of glass are the best. That is why I dislike most new cars. The windows feel claustrophobic, including the windshield on some of them. I wonder if low bodies and tall windows will ever make a comeback.
Corbic
07-18-2014, 04:23 PM
Cars with lots of glass are the best. That is why I dislike most new cars. The windows feel claustrophobic, including the windshield on some of them. I wonder if low bodies and tall windows will ever make a comeback.
Tell you want, if you want a "WTF" experience, hop in a Vintage 911.
The pillars are thumb thick and the windshield wraps around for a surreal panoramic experience.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads10/911+windshield+feather1183673001.jpg
KiLLeR2001
07-18-2014, 04:23 PM
this is NOT the case with the S13 - its got fucking EXCELLENT visibility... from any angle.
The S13 hatch does have great visibility, and when I started driving my S13 coupe I realized you get even more visibility out of the back windshield since it seems to be at a 45* angle vs the hatch's 25* angle.
edit:
personally, and this is just me - i can say strongly that i probably will not own a vehicle if it has the following:
- multi-airbag
- front wheel drive
- traction control
- digital gauge cluster
- any type of LCD screen needed to interact with the vehicle
- or even worse, a touchscreen (as opposed to buttons and knobs)
- hydropneumatic suspension
- sunroof
Added one for you.
Corbic
07-18-2014, 04:33 PM
ide take a g35 coupe over a 350Z *anyday*
another thing that bothers me about the z is the tall belt line. whenever you look at someone all you see is their head. car has poor visibility.
this is NOT the case with the S13 - its got fucking EXCELLENT visibility... from any angle.
Safety Bro.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/8022249989_c835fd8f6a_b.jpg
Matej
07-18-2014, 05:06 PM
Everyone says new cars have tall bodies for safety, but there is definitely technology to make cars safe even if they had lower body lines.
Not to mention, good visibility is just as if not more crucial to safety. One would not have to worry about others crashing into them if everyone could see over their cars' body panels.
Yesterday I saw a woman in a new Camaro convertible with the top down and she had to use the rear view mirror to be able to see behind her because when she turned around to back out she could not see over the trunk. That is ridiculous. And yes, she was of average height.
HeyGirlHeyyy
07-18-2014, 09:11 PM
Cars with lots of glass are the best. That is why I dislike most new cars. The windows feel claustrophobic, including the windshield on some of them. I wonder if low bodies and tall windows will ever make a comeback.
Only if federal mandates change. But that's not very likely.
WristWork
07-18-2014, 09:33 PM
You want to know whats superior to the Z33? The Z34.
Much more of a contender against the S13.
Let's hear from the people who went from 350z -> 370z, and never looked back.
350z>370z
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5224/5601092136_e77dda4d49_b.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5294/5577881274_7ee9c102bc_b.jpg
jr_ss
07-18-2014, 11:00 PM
Everyone says new cars have tall bodies for safety, but there is definitely technology to make cars safe even if they had lower body lines.
Unfortunately DOT and all the other federal powers that are, regulated higher side impact zones. This means that the days of "panoramic" views are over.
I love the fact that my S14 window sill is low enough to put my arm on and not lose feeling in it because of the incline.
Future240
07-19-2014, 06:58 AM
Now what about the VQ though? Everything I have read or heard about the VQ says they don't like boost over 7psi even with a good tune and after about 435ish it's going to go bang. With built VQ's I've heard about piston slap.
Any truth to this, anyone have any experience boosting one?
And for those of us who don't give two fucks about drifting how well does the G/Z handle? I'm figuring the FM platform could out perform the S-chassis easily though it probably wouldn't feel like a big go cart likely S14 does.
I'm thinking G coupe with sways, LSD(Torsen preferably), upgraded struts though not necessarily coilovers, spl suspension arms. Basically the standard s-chassis handling package.
jr_ss
07-19-2014, 10:04 AM
The earlier VQ's didn't like much over 400whp before they popped, which is 5-7psi roughly. From what I hear the new engines(HR and the 3.7) are much more robust.
Piston slap can be caused by a few things. Generally JE pistons have been known for this, only until the motor is warmed up because the piston has to heat up and expand. Too large or piston bore to piston clearances can cause it, along with high silicon content in the piston will give you piston slap. Generally speaking, high silicon content pistons shrink and expand more than others.
The platform is plenty capable for road course action, but there's more weight to throw around so it's not going to feel like a "big go kart". Right out of the box the 370's have cooling issues that put them into limp mode when driven hard. MotoIq did a test on one and it limped off track after a fee hot laps.
simmode1
07-19-2014, 12:28 PM
350z>370z
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5224/5601092136_e77dda4d49_b.jpg
Agreed! Visually speaking the Z33 looks way better than the polarizing Z34, IMO. And wasn't that last version of the Nismo 350Z stitch welded from the factory or by Autech or something?
ixfxi
07-19-2014, 01:08 PM
Just because im 22 has nothing to do with me comparing 2 different cars of which i've owned.
son... when you're older, you'll understand.
Tell you want, if you want a "WTF" experience, hop in a Vintage 911.
Magnus Walker, I am not.
Added one for you.
- Sunroof
Unfortunately, this is not the case. My SC has a moonroof and my Miata is...a piece of shit convertible. I have a very bad habit of buying cars and giving "other manufacturers a chance" and well... lets just say I was very disappointed with Mazda. And while I like Toyota's build quality, I still have gripes with the (few) parts that are prone to failure being very expensive to replace. Fortunately, its never mechanical stuff - its bullshit interior-related panels, exterior trim parts, etc
I really cannot say this about NISSAN. Everything from the car to the parts are all reasonably priced and acceptable build quality. NOT the case with Mazda, the car AND its parts are very sub-standard.
Just my 2c...
Safety Bro.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/8022249989_c835fd8f6a_b.jpg
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/5dc23edc4d27b385ae41d87236ff8efd18632d22/c%3D500-0-4310-2862%26r%3Dx513%26c%3D680x510/local/-/media/PalmSprings/PalmSprings/2014/03/20//1395370232000-TDS-Marines-Accidents-Car-Wreck-01.jpg
^ Is that a S13 w/ 350Z wheels? Hmm.. wait, our cars didnt come with aluminum bumper supports. Hmm..
I've seen S13s MUCH worse than the above. That car is just missing the door. Re-install the door, a bit of body filler, polish.. and its good to go. Jokes aside, you know its bad when you see the frame rail pushed all the way to where the transmission tunnel is...!
350z>370z
I dont think so. I think the 370Z is a very good improvement. Shorter, wider, better engine, serious(ly heavy) brakes... No gripes here. I still like the 350, but 370 is also nice.
deolio
07-19-2014, 04:30 PM
ah yeah, my old z
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/mexfoodisgood/z33/6051557909_971dd4900f_b.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/mexfoodisgood/media/z33/6051557909_971dd4900f_b.jpg.html)
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/mexfoodisgood/jerrifting/DSC_0979.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/mexfoodisgood/media/jerrifting/DSC_0979.jpg.html)
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c400/mexfoodisgood/jerrifting/1098592090_ffe8i-X2.jpg (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/mexfoodisgood/media/jerrifting/1098592090_ffe8i-X2.jpg.html)
went from s13 to z33 to a few other cars and now back to an s13. z's are cool if you've never had a newer car and need a nice daily driver. they suck for everything else. driving is boring. drifting is even more boring. it's a fat sloppy pig. tried everything to get rid of the slop, but it just felt like shit. the z community sucks. 90% of owners have their heads buried up their ass. everything is about "how big of a wheel can i fit" "what's the lowest offset possible" "camber is tight yo!" bunch of hardparkers. it's just a really fucking boring car to own. aero options are boring. vq is boring. sounds good, but it's boring. handling is meh... boring. if you want to be bored while you're bored then bore your way to the z33 and enjoy all the boring possibilities.
s-chassis has so much cooler shit. and the s-chassis community is sooooo much better. no little babies whining about not having enough camber. there are some shit heads, but at least it's because they're idiots, not because they think they're better than you.
ixfxi
07-19-2014, 06:15 PM
boring boring boring boring boring boring
that was how i felt. while the car felt good and capable, it just didnt have too much character. it has all the ingredients though.
the freeway is especially funny because its just... boring. you mash on the gas and it gets up to speed easily, but it has no entertainment value at all.
two things i really disliked:
- over sensative steering ratio
- drive by wire throttle
the delay in the throttle was annoying.
silviasandbeer
07-19-2014, 06:53 PM
thread delivers
was considering "upgrading" to a 350z from my s14
not so much now, dont want to be bored
Matej
07-22-2014, 06:07 PM
Get an RX-8. Those cars actually look really cool, and go for cheaper than 350Z's (probably because the triangles are about to fall out of the motor).
Corbic
07-22-2014, 06:22 PM
Get an RX-8. Those cars actually look really cool, and go for cheaper than 350Z's (probably because the triangles are about to fall out of the motor).
If you own an S-chasis, you already know the answer to a shitty motor.
Shit I've seen local RX-8s go for $5k and Rollers (blown engine) for $1,500. If I was younger I'd be all over this shit.
http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/frankenstein-rx-8s-196/178341d1319862694-s2000-engine-swap-rx8sr20.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/392910_505985716127968_819817248_n.jpg
'http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8369/8548477843_70cd4564a1_b.jpg
http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/frankenstein-rx-8s-196/174627d1311142547-calling-all-engine-swaps-rx82jzuijpakwheelscom.jpg
http://www.rx8club.com/attachments/frankenstein-rx-8s-196/174448d1310755422-sr20-det-s15-swap-rx3.jpg
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/1113/dsc0131kopiowanie.jpg
spooled240
07-22-2014, 06:34 PM
Rotaries are cool...if you have money. When you're broke a rotary is like some kind of magical machine that you pray will continue to run properly every time you drive it.
KiLLeR2001
07-22-2014, 09:41 PM
RX8 is a girl car. FD3S or bust.
Corbic
07-22-2014, 09:49 PM
RX8 is a girl car. FD3S or bust.
Real men drive FCs.
http://maydaygarage.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/3479882885_d7463fc496_o.jpg
ixfxi
07-22-2014, 10:10 PM
Real men drive FCs.
...or if you're part of the red suns
Matej
07-22-2014, 10:40 PM
Real men drive FCs.
Real teenage boys drive FB's.
http://www.thesmokingtire.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/RX7.png
Corbic
07-23-2014, 09:11 AM
Real teenage boys drive FB's.
I thought he was 30 something working at a Pizza Hut and living with his parents....
Future240
07-23-2014, 10:13 AM
^^That thing is fucking hideous.
I am in love with the FD3S. Not so much with the rotary. I mean I love the sound and brap of a bridge port or half bridge port. I just don't like the idea of knowing from day 1 that a rebuild will be required before 150K miles
Corbic
07-23-2014, 10:26 AM
^^That thing is fucking hideous.
I am in love with the FD3S. Not so much with the rotary. I mean I love the sound and brap of a bridge port or half bridge port. I just don't like the idea of knowing from day 1 that a rebuild will be required before 150K miles
Try every 50k.
If 150k bothers you, you should not own any performance car, let alone a turbo one.
The biggest issue with Rotarys is fuel consumption. 10-15mpg for 4-cylinder performance is deplorable.
simmode1
07-23-2014, 11:19 AM
The biggest issue with Rotarys is fuel consumption. 10-15mpg for 4-cylinder performance is deplorable.
Rotary...4-cylinder...:keke:
Corbic
07-23-2014, 11:26 AM
Rotary...4-cylinder...:keke:
Tapatalk says it's spelled right.. NFG
;p
Matej
07-23-2014, 02:18 PM
I am in love with the FD3S. Not so much with the rotary. I mean I love the sound and brap of a bridge port or half bridge port. I just don't like the idea of knowing from day 1 that a rebuild will be required before 150K miles
Once the stock motor goes, anything is game. Most people from this forum would probably just end up sticking an SR/RB/LS1/2JZ in it.
acslater9
07-23-2014, 02:24 PM
...or if you're part of the red suns
LOOL. God damn that's golden. Thank you for the laugh.
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