91 s13 to 440 big block Chrysler swap

[91KaKid]

Well guys I'am semi new to the 240sx scene, ( I don't even know if I'm posting in the right section so have a moderator move it if it's not) but I had one in highschool for about 3 months till I got a little to sideways and the ass end slapped a pole, so 8 year later I now have my second 240sx.

The one I have now I picked up about 2 weeks ago, my cousins best freind partially drove it into a pond. The only problem is it was running when it went in and I think it hydraliced and bent the #3 rod cause the compression is low.

I Only payed $600 bucks for it which is a great deal in my book. It has a pretty stock ka in it as far as I know the only mods done to it are a injen intake tube with a HKS green mesh filter and a 3" exhaust (no o2 sensors) to a big fart can. On the inside it has a different steering wheel (almost looks like a sprint cars) and two fake bride low max seats that are kinda faded and tore up but there surprisingly nice. As far as suspension it has a nice set of coil overs I think they are Megan racing, it rides on a set of beat up mb battles Also he had me weld the diff about 2 years ago and it's held up since.

I have been daily driving/beating on it right after I took the plugs out, got the water out and changed the oil. I've noticed it's kinda sluggish and I have a good chysler 440/727 automatic motor set that I would love to swap into it. The 440 has a cam, B1 aluminum heads and intake manifold and a Holley 650 along with a bunch of other stuff. The 727 has a fully manual valvebody, houges converter and a billet Imput shaft.

So now after all that here's my question, is it possible to put my 440/727 motor set into my s13? The car will no longer be a daily driver road vehicle so I'm not going to worry about the gauges. Does anybody know a company that can make a adapter plate from the 440 to my stock 5spd instead of using the 727, because I would rather use it. I know the purist will say why not rebuild the ka or swap a sr20 or a rb26det instead, it's just the fact that I like to be different and it's all parts I have lying around.

SO if anyone has any helpful information, ideas or Imput they are always appreciated! :naughtyd:

[91KaKid]

Nobody has anything?

[ski2befree33]

Very interested as well man got a friend with a spare 440 and have been wondering the same thing! Bump!

[Frank_Jaeger]

Big block swaps are extremely rare.

I doubt anyone knows anything about this swap. You're basically on your own in uncharted territory. With that said, it's like any other swap. Custom mounts, driveshaft, adaptor plate, headers, exhaust, intake, fuel lines, wiring, etc.

If you want an adaptor plate, talk to people who already make them, like Brett Collins.

[SRTFerg]

Sell 440. Buy Ellis Juan. Profit!

[91KaKid]

Sell 440. Buy Ellis Juan. Profit!

Ls swaps are all the same you seen Juan you've seen Jamal.

Anyway Here's the motor for everyone who hasn't seen a 440 before

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af37/Kingofdiesels/imagejpg1_zpse7d3f407.jpg (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Kingofdiesels/media/imagejpg1_zpse7d3f407.jpg.html)

[ultimateirving]

Stock ka trans won't like much power over 350. So depending on your plans that 440 could destroy it.
Also you are the first person I've read attempting this. So bust out your welder and plasma cutter and get to fabbing.

[deciplesteve]

No help here, but I gotta say I am intrigued. I was gonna throw a 351C stroked to 408 into a 240, but damn, you got me beat.

[91KaKid]

Stock ka trans won't like much power over 350. So depending on your plans that 440 could destroy it.
Also you are the first person I've read attempting this. So bust out your welder and plasma cutter and get to fabbing.

Ya I kinda figured that. I got the 727 though, don't know how I will like using a rachet shifter while drifting. I looked at some tremec 5spd's but there like 3k. So idk what to do

[blessedhellrider]

drift use? just grab one out of a truck. and build it like you want it.

chances are your going to have to cut up the floor .

[91KaKid]

Ok so here we go this may or may not turn into a build thread. The lift pump on my cummins took a shit about a month ago which is the main reason I bought my 240, so I don't know how long it will be till it's back on the road but whenever it is and I have another daily driver the car will get torn apart and stuffs gunna happen.

So here's the update for the day:

I picked up a mock up block to build mounts off of over at dads and brung it back to the shop
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af37/Kingofdiesels/imagejpg2_zps30fa2e73.jpg (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Kingofdiesels/media/imagejpg2_zps30fa2e73.jpg.html)

And here's the 727 I think the short shaft will really help with some of the trans tunnel issues but I will probably still have to cut it up a bit
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af37/Kingofdiesels/imagejpg1_zps8ef05d2d.jpg (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Kingofdiesels/media/imagejpg1_zps8ef05d2d.jpg.html)

[jr_ss]

You may want to start with some basics first. Such as, but not limited to; the distance between strut towers, height from cross member to hood bracing, oil pan requirements, etc. Personally, I think it's a waste of a motor swap. There are much better engine choices out there that are better than being boat anchors. Now if you were sticking a new age 440 or version of(6.1-6.4L hemi) in there you'd be better off.

Either way, I'm not trying to discourage, just food for thought. GLWB.

[Kingtal0n]

biggest problem I see is, the investment of more time and effort than necessary for a sub-par return in power and fuel economy

spare parts are great, but when they require one hundred hours of fabrication it's not the same thing as just "putting them to use".
It would not be so significant of an issue if pre-made custom mounts/harness/driveshafts were not already available for more efficient engines.

[91KaKid]

biggest problem I see is, the investment of more time and effort than necessary for a sub-par return in power and fuel economy.

Not trying to be mean or a dick but this motor dynoed 1012hp 879ftlbs (not bragging but I got the dyno sheet if you wanna see it) on alcohol with a single Holley dominator it's not the junk 440 out of your grandmas Imperial. The only reason I have it is cause the tractor it was in (yes a tractor) got a Blown Hemi
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af37/Kingofdiesels/imagejpg1_zps34be5a37.jpg (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Kingofdiesels/media/imagejpg1_zps34be5a37.jpg.html)

It's not going to be as hot as it was then, I'm not going to run alcohol or such a big carb.

Truly I could care less about gas mileage it's gunna be a track car and a toy, I am not shy to fabricating, along with that I know a lot of people who can help me. My dad's neighbor builds dragsters for American race car and can make about anything (has a full tube chassis vega wagon he built all by himself), my grandpa is a certified professional welder (worked at Davis Bessy Nuclear power plant in Cleveland) and my dad is a machinist so I have a dream team at my disposal.

Mopar or no car :whip:

[s&tcustoms]

I'm seriously interested to see how this goes for you, IMO the best swaps are the ones you haven't seen before, good luck dude.

[Cyberzen]

i am intrigued at how this is going to turn out, glwb man!

[Shift_Kouki]

Just build it already, the naysayers will watch in awe as you vaporize tires. I'm pretty stoked for this build.

[fatduece]

#OhMyGoodness. Another v8 :rolleyes::barf::hey::goyou::facepalm::down:

[Memberofthe600hpkaclub]

440 will fit, that 727 will need some tunnel massaging....any particular plans for the car?

[red92ka]

Carb is too small for best performance. How streetable do you expect a 1000hp na motor to be? I'd expect this build to start with a lot of enthusiasm, then die out when the price starts adding up with minimal return.

[Moncef]

I'd say do it.

Budget, meh.

[deciplesteve]

I would do this. I don't have the tools to fab all that shit, but I would definitely do this.

[Croustibat]

I'd just slap an LSx engine in there. bolt on kits already exist, can't beat that.

[Frank_Jaeger]

The more I see people trying to discourage you from building it the more I want to see you build it.

[Kingtal0n]

The more I see people trying to discourage you from building it the more I want to see you build it.

yeah, this. You cant argue about wanting to argue.

But cmon' Frank, we both know how a 1000 horsepower carbuereted V8 swap in a 240sx is going to end...
the fact he pointed out the work done per unit time as if it matters automatically shut this down.

[91KaKid]

Carb is too small for best performance. How streetable do you expect a 1000hp na motor to be? I'd expect this build to start with a lot of enthusiasm, then die out when the price starts adding up with minimal return.

Ya I know I have a 1250 dominator that's setup for alcohol but I really don't want to run it, might see if I can trade it for a gas dominator

[AFSil80]

I'm surprised nobody has said this...but the S13 chassis itself is probably going to fold in half under the kind of torque the engine is gonna throw at it. Personally, I'd find something else to put this into but it isn't my car.

[91KaKid]

440 will fit, that 727 will need some tunnel massaging....any particular plans for the car?

Basically want to drift it, not competitively or anything but just go to the track and slide a little. take it out on the street a every once in a while and hoon it up. Il Probably drag it a couple times idk just use it for about everything, hell I might even try auto cross never done that before.

The stuff I'm gunna start with is:

Pull the ka, sell it

Tub the fenders

Have Jeff build me a FD legal cage and

Strut tower braces

Then drop the motor and build up some mounts

Not really as simple as that but you get the gist

[yetijeff]

be cool for a drag car. as far as drifting or auto cross I think weight biasing will be an issue. not to say it cant be overcome but still. I would stab that big bitch in, do a solid axle swap and knock down nasty 1/4 mile times. but that's just me

[red92ka]

I don't know about autocross, but it'll probably do really good burnouts. I used to hang out with a guy that had a 575hp belvedere, and that was a handful. Cut about 1000lbs off and double the power, should be a fun ride.

[91KaKid]

Got some sad news, looks like my project is done for a while until I can find another 240. I was visiting my friend that I bought my car off of up at Toledo University Friday and spent the night up there. I woke up to get my phone out of the car and it's just gone. So I called the cops off joes phone, they still haven't found it I don't think they will it's probably parted out by now. The f***ing fantastic thing is not only is my car gone but so is my phone and my wallet with my entire paycheck in it. :facepalm:

[ski2befree33]

Sorry to hear that mang! Nothing worse then liars and thiefs. Post your whip in stolen goods and hopefully the fellow zilvia community can do Work ^,^

[jr_ss]

Well, that sucks. I don't leave shit in my car. Just one more reason for someone to break in.

[91KaKid]

Sorry to hear that mang! Nothing worse then liars and thiefs. Post your whip in stolen goods and hopefully the fellow zilvia community can do Work ^,^

Lost all my pics I had of the car I had on my phone, all I have is a description, and there's like 25,000 red 240 hatch's with battles. Basically in the same boat as the police looking for a turd in the septic tank

[supersayianjim]

sorry for ur loss.. iam guessing you had no alarm?

[91KaKid]

Cops still haven't found anything, I've kind of lost hope that they will. If anybody has a cheap rolling s13 hatch or s14 ($1000 max) in the Ohio area please let me know I really want to continue my build. Thanks for the support guys

[jr_ss]

Best bet is to check craigslist in your area.

[Shift_Kouki]

The best of luck to you man :/

[91KaKid]

Small update, this doesn't even pertain to 240's but since my car is gone I've been trying to do some stuff to get my mind off of it. We got the new Hemi in the tractor, and then I picked up another motor at my cousins house. The plan is to either find a decent s13 hatch/kouki s14 or turn my dads 73 duster into a turbo pro street/promod car or build both cars if I save a little money, my insurance company said they would only give me $900 for the car and not pay for my phone or $500 in the car :smash:

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af37/Kingofdiesels/imagejpg1_zps2c979a42.jpg (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Kingofdiesels/media/imagejpg1_zps2c979a42.jpg.html)

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af37/Kingofdiesels/imagejpg2_zpsc76bcc3e.jpg (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/Kingofdiesels/media/imagejpg2_zpsc76bcc3e.jpg.html)

[jr_ss]

Fight the insurance company. Give them real market values for your car. If you had insurance on your phone, that's a pretty easy fix.

[240noobx]

Put the 440 in the duster! Much better mopar on mopar. Thats what i'd do. I saw a 240 on eBay with a 440 in it i think it still might be up. A 351 would be cool in a 240 but you could get a fox body shell for like $1000. Drift the 240 and drag the 5.0 :D

[dac2828]

You said you had a paycheck in your car when it was stolen... just go to your employer and tell them the situation, they will cut you another check I'm sure. Also, yeah, fight your insurance company, I have a hard time even finding a half decent 240 in my area for under $2k.