Tuner blew my motor. Legal help!

[unometeeter]

Hey guys long story short I drove my full bolt on sr20 up to a "experienced" tuner. He spun a rod bearing and destroyed the turbo. Here's where it gets interesting, I wanted a 7psi tune I don't care for speed I want reliability. He goes against the customers wishes and decides to do a 16psi tune on a stock t25?!?!
He is crazy, I told him it would not hold up and it will not make good power. He still insists it, so I buy the MBC and now we are here with my motor destroyed.

He had the car for a week and a day before he blew my motor he called me telling me it's was tuned at 7psi, I asked him if I could pick it up, and he said no "I'm turning the boost up." The next day I get the call my motor is done. He admitted: "I just blew your turbo" His excuse was "a 20 year old turbo" And "I was just idling and everything all of a sudden let go, I didn't even get to turn the boost up." I call bullshit, on "I was just idlinig, and low boost". He over boosted and did a shitty tune which caused my motor failure. Motors do not destroy themselves by idling at 7psi, they do it when you over boost a turbo with a shit tune, causing turbo failure, cutting off oil pressure, destroying the motor.

I did NOT sign any waiver, consent form, I was NOT verbally agreeing to any liability whatsoever. I literally dropped the car off in the parking lot with the keys in it. I didn't sign shit.

What should I do, legally he is responsible because I did not sign anything. That's my fighting chance, I'm willing to work with the tuner. He should have business insurance for things like this. After all no one wanted this to happen, I just want my car fixed. What would you guys do? How do you approach this situation without raising hell?

[KendallH]

Unless he built the motor, I don't see why he would have any liability. I'm assuming you've got an SR pulled straight from Japan and swapped. That motor is 20ish years old. Who knows the history on the motor. From your post it says you bought the boost controller so you agreed to the more aggressive tune. Things happen with cars, especially when modifying them.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Well, that's one tuner you can cross off your "who can tune my shit" list. But either way, your shits out of luck. You didnt sign anything, neither did he that states he'd be responsible for any damage to it.

[unometeeter]

I've driven the car for years with this swap. It's been plenty reliable. I was more pushed to buying the MBC along with a fuel pressure reg I didn't need for $500!. Buying parts does not mean I agree to a bad tune, and over boosting. Tuners inspect the car before they tune them. He inspected he over boosted. I drove the car almost two hours prior. If anything was on its way it was going to do it then. Not idling with a perfect 7psi tune. Like he said.

[unometeeter]

Well, that's one tuner you can cross off your "who can tune my shit" list. But either way, your shits out of luck. You didnt sign anything, neither did he that states he'd be responsible for any damage to it.

He is responsible from all the other tuners I talk too, it's no different than if I was at a body shop and there tech crashed the car while moving it in the shop. Tuners need liability waivers to cover there ass, if they fuck up.

[keemz93]

Is this shop in C.A?

[unometeeter]

Is this shop in C.A?

No, I will not release details until I talk to him and see if he wants to admit his fault and help me fix this the right way. I will have respect for him if he does the right thing.

[s14SRguy]

I'd say post your review on them anywhere you can. Yelp, FB, Instagram, google, all that. I had a rim and tire shop damage my work step lip barrels when their untrained idiot (mind you...I applied for a job here too...and I never got a call back, and yet they fuck up my shit. Bad management) dented my rims when changing my tires I brought them. Didn't wanna do shit. All i did was bring the tires and rims in, say put these on here, and they royally fucked it up. You had one job.

Anyways they're reluctlant to do a damn thing so I posted all over yelp (their main form of advertisement) and got a call from the owner and the manager saying they will send them out to get finished.

I'd say get in touch with the owner if you can. Make it very clear he did the complete oppisite of what was requesed and what the deal was. If you can't get a hold of the owner raise hell where everyone can read it and at keast you make people think twice about giving them hard earned cash.

Sorry to hear about this mess. Hopefully the engines not too bad. Best of luck to you my nissan brother.

[unometeeter]

I'd say post your review on them anywhere you can. Yelp, FB, Instagram, google, all that. I had a rim and tire shop damage my work step lip barrels when their untrained idiot (mind you...I applied for a job here too...and I never got a call back, and yet they fuck up my shit. Bad management) dented my rims when changing my tires I brought them. Didn't wanna do shit. All i did was bring the tires and rims in, say put these on here, and they royally fucked it up. You had one job.

Anyways they're reluctlant to do a damn thing so I posted all over yelp (their main form of advertisement) and got a call from the owner and the manager saying they will send them out to get finished.

I'd say get in touch with the owner if you can. Make it very clear he did the complete oppisite of what was requesed and what the deal was. If you can't get a hold of the owner raise hell where everyone can read it and at keast you make people think twice about giving them hard earned cash.

Sorry to hear about this mess. Hopefully the engines not too bad. Best of luck to you my nissan brother.

The owner is the tuner, a one man show. I'm going to advise him it would be in his best interest to do the right thing. 16psi out of a t25 is to much like I told him. I wanted a 7psi tune and I got a blown motor. As long as he owns up to his mess up I won't trash his name. But if he decides to skimp out ill stand outside his street with a sign saying what he did everyday day I'm off until he owns up. I've put to much in this car for him to ruin it.

[keemz93]

Yeah well where ever this shop is in ca a vehicle may be returned back to customer in the same condition it came in so if the car came in running it must leave running. If you dident sign a waver before getting the car tune then it sounds like this guy owes you a motor. You'll be dumb not to go after him for it that much boost on a stock motor would cause that he was asking for this to happen. Sux to say you was just his text dummy

[Seraphim38]

Feel free to contact me as I had much the same thing happen where the tuner assembled the motor wrong and it ate itself in 500 miles. Took him to court, 15 grand in legal fees, paid him 11 grand in labor, destroyed 31 grand in parts I had receipts for. Lost in court. Got nothing.

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[unometeeter]

Yeah well where ever this shop is in ca a vehicle may be returned back to customer in the same condition it came in so if the car came in running it must leave running. If you dident sign a waver before getting the car tune then it sounds like this guy owes you a motor. You'll be dumb not to go after him for it that much boost on a stock motor would cause that he was asking for this to happen. Sux to say you was just his text dummy

Yeah the law is the same here, all the other tuners are saying the same thing.
If I signed a waiver it would be on me, but without that he is responsible. It's the same thing if the car got stolen in the shop, it's there responsibility to lock the doors. Or don't over boost a t25. He has been avoiding me too.

[unometeeter]

Feel free to contact me as I had much the same thing happen where the tuner assembled the motor wrong and it ate itself in 500 miles. Took him to court, 15 grand in legal fees, paid him 11 grand in labor, destroyed 31 grand in parts I had receipts for. Lost in court. Got nothing.

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Man sorry to hear that, I work at a shop and if we fuck up we take the hit not the customer. (Knock on wood) people need to do there job and own up.

[Nikzilla]

Feel free to contact me as I had much the same thing happen where the tuner assembled the motor wrong and it ate itself in 500 miles. Took him to court, 15 grand in legal fees, paid him 11 grand in labor, destroyed 31 grand in parts I had receipts for. Lost in court. Got nothing.

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Holy shit. What did you build that cost you 42k for a motor?

Fuck this is why I do everything myself.

[Seraphim38]

Kenne bell supercharged 32 valve 4.6 liter mustang cobra. That money was all drivetrain. It would have easily been a 650rwhp pump gas daily driver but they forgot to lube the cams and seized it when trying to start it for the first time. Then they took a dremel to the cam saddles and put it back together without cleaning the shavings out of the motor. The oil pickup was completely blocked. In 500 gentle break in miles off boost the motor ate itself.

While it was clear and uncontested that the tuner seized the motor while in their possession, the judge apparently didn't believe that the independent evidence of the shavings distributed throughout the motor was enough to convince him that it came from their negligence, since I had possession of the car for a week of break in.

It was a shocking result. Everyone told me going into it that courts exist to make lawyers money and they are the only ones that ever win. I tried to not be that jaded going into court, but out of it I was left reeling with massive debt and a heaping mistrust of the legal system. Lots of anger.

If the shop owner says, tow it out of here and sue me, which is exactly what my shop owner did, going into court becomes his word over yours. In court here, they said I had the burden of proof to show that it was the shop's negligence that caused the damage. If you had signed something it may have helped you, since it could confirm what you were asking him to do. He could lie and claim that you told him to tune it at 30 psi, and that he warned you that it would destroy the motor but he followed your un-written directions, thus the damage was not his fault. Without a written record it doesn't help you.

Bottom line, either he makes good on some repair or you are screwed. Probably either way, you are screwed, and not nearly as badly as I have been screwed by a shop.

[Nikzilla]

Kenne bell supercharged 32 valve 4.6 liter mustang cobra. That money was all drivetrain. It would have easily been a 650rwhp pump gas daily dricer but they forgot to lube the cams and seized it trying to start it for the first time. Then they took a dremel to the cam saddles and put it back together without cleaning the shacings out ofbthe motor. The oil pickup was completely blocked. In 500 gentle break in miles off bost the motor ate itself.

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Wow they are retarded. Did they suffer any reprocusions at all?

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[keemz93]

Yeah I think ppl need to start going after these shops not just yelp but take them to court call the automotive repair bar. You gotta help the next guy to many ppl are ending up at these shops from hell. We paying top dollar for bottom dollar work!!! "Well not we Cuz I work on my own shit" and any tuner tellin me to go against my wishes can fuck him self!!!

[anti tyler]

I don't think you're going to get anything from this guy...

"take him to court"

Judge: Did you ask for any paperwork, or have any written documents of the service he was going to give you? No? Well that sucks, live and you learn!

[unometeeter]

I don't think you're going to get anything from this guy...

"take him to court"

Judge: Did you ask for any paperwork, or have any written documents of the service he was going to give you? No? Well that sucks, live and you learn!
The customer should not ask for legal paperwork to protect the tuner, the judge will ask him why he did not inform the customer of the risks involved and a waiver to release him of liability.

[unometeeter]

Yeah I think ppl need to start going after these shops not just yelp but take them to court call the automotive repair bar. You gotta help the next guy to many ppl are ending up at these shops from hell. We paying top dollar for bottom dollar work!!! "Well not we Cuz I work on my own shit" and any tuner tellin me to go against my wishes can fuck him self!!!

Shops need to own up, it makes the tuner community look bad, and overall drives us out of things we love to do.

[unometeeter]

Kenne bell supercharged 32 valve 4.6 liter mustang cobra. That money was all drivetrain. It would have easily been a 650rwhp pump gas daily driver but they forgot to lube the cams and seized it when trying to start it for the first time. Then they took a dremel to the cam saddles and put it back together without cleaning the shavings out of the motor. The oil pickup was completely blocked. In 500 gentle break in miles off boost the motor ate itself.

While it was clear and uncontested that the tuner seized the motor while in their possession, the judge apparently didn't believe that the independent evidence of the shavings distributed throughout the motor was enough to convince him that it came from their negligence, since I had possession of the car for a week of break in.

It was a shocking result. Everyone told me going into it that courts exist to make lawyers money and they are the only ones that ever win. I tried to not be that jaded going into court, but out of it I was left reeling with massive debt and a heaping mistrust of the legal system. Lots of anger.

If the shop owner says, tow it out of here and sue me, which is exactly what my shop owner did, going into court becomes his word over yours. In court here, they said I had the burden of proof to show that it was the shop's negligence that caused the damage. If you had signed something it may have helped you, since it could confirm what you were asking him to do. He could lie and claim that you told him to tune it at 30 psi, and that he warned you that it would destroy the motor but he followed your un-written directions, thus the damage was not his fault. Without a written record it doesn't help you.

Bottom line, either he makes good on some repair or you are screwed. Probably either way, you are screwed, and not nearly as badly as I have been screwed by a shop.

If he goes that far to lie in court I'll make sure I'll have all my whiteness who were with me there stating 7psi I'm not alone in this.

[mewantkouki]

Nobody tunes my car unless I'm standing next to it watching what they are doing... Good luck recouping some money though. Sounds like both parties were negligent, however more of it towards the tuner for being overzealous.

[unometeeter]

Nobody tunes my car unless I'm standing next to it watching what they are doing... Good luck recouping some money though. Sounds like both parties were negligent, however more of it towards the tuner for being overzealous.

That's why I'm not asking for a full rebuild on him I'll work with him

[nemesisdrift]

1. You're not going to get shit.

2. No judge is going to give a fuck about 7psi vs 16psi.

3. Overspinning a turbo will not spin a rod bearing

You said 7 psi, he said he was going to turn the boost up but he said he didn't. So it's his against yours.

You're out of luck. These are the risks you take playing this game

[waxball88]

You drove an unknown mileage sr20 for years, then decided to put it through the stress of tuning and it had an oiling issue?
If it spun a bearing I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the turbo lacked proper oiling as well causing it's death. Had a piston been cracked etc, you could try and blame the tune. But if it didn't detonate to cause issues....
It sucks it happened, take what you can get and be happy.
Tunes are not nice on cars. My car has been on the dyno twice, albeit my car makes everyone cover their ears as it approaches red line, I get nervous everytime it hits limiter. Then again I also built the motor myself, and it's been together already 10k+ miles

[jdm-specs]

1. You're not going to get shit.

2. No judge is going to give a fuck about 7psi vs 16psi.

3. Overspinning a turbo will not spin a rod bearing

You said 7 psi, he said he was going to turn the boost up but he said he didn't. So it's his against yours.

You're out of luck. These are the risks you take playing this game


Completely agree with what he said

your not going to get shit from the owner or the court at this point
like other have mentioned here, the most you can do is post what happened on a review site/place for this tuner.

Next time you'll know what tuner you should be looking for, idk what the hell that "tuner" was thinking also, his logic doesn't even make sense, if someone comes in my work and ask for change brake pads and rotors, i'm not going to slap a BBK on their car.

lesson learned my friend, shit happens when cars are being modified and 20 year old motors are being pushed to their limits.
Maybe you don't drive your car as hard, and maybe that's why the rod bearings didn't take a dump until that tuner did a bunch of dyno runs up to red line, and who knows what parameter he changed on the maps.

[keemz93]

^^^^ The truth but rong all that matters is the car was running when it came now is in op Cuz of the shop abuse their luck is not your luck you could very easily win this case. Dodd you get a "work order" from this shop some kind of receipt??????

[redline racer510]

If you only had proof of all your statements and any back and forth conversation than maybe you might have a case. Witnesses don't mean shit unless they are anonymous and you don't know them otherwise they are considered friends "helping out", it is your word against his and that isn't much of case. I am not an attorney nor am I a legal consultant, anything expressed may or may not be correct, and I hold no responsibility for any actions taken with respect to anything expressed by me. Next time get paperwork or a reciept for any and all work and get everything said in writing.

[unometeeter]

1. You're not going to get shit.

2. No judge is going to give a fuck about 7psi vs 16psi.

3. Overspinning a turbo will not spin a rod bearing

You said 7 psi, he said he was going to turn the boost up but he said he didn't. So it's his against yours.

You're out of luck. These are the risks you take playing this game

I'm not talking about going to court, he needs to man up my car is well known in this area, blowing a turbo will cause oil loss, he blew it doing 16psi he's lying. It's not the fact it had a oil problem I paid a shop to check perfect, they call bullshit on my tuner. I trust the shop more than the tuner. The tuner has been avoiding me. My car is still there.

[unometeeter]

You drove an unknown mileage sr20 for years, then decided to put it through the stress of tuning and it had an oiling issue?
If it spun a bearing I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the turbo lacked proper oiling as well causing it's death. Had a piston been cracked etc, you could try and blame the tune. But if it didn't detonate to cause issues....
It sucks it happened, take what you can get and be happy.
Tunes are not nice on cars. My car has been on the dyno twice, albeit my car makes everyone cover their ears as it approaches red line, I get nervous everytime it hits limiter. Then again I also built the motor myself, and it's been together already 10k+ miles

It's weird how it ran perfect, he over boosts it and it goes?
Weird seems like he's lying how can you call me telling me you have a baseline tune then when YOU tell me your turning the boost up the stock t25 goes beyond it's operating range, it's my fault you wet against the customers wishes and you fucked up, everyone knows 16psi on a t25 is worthless. He's the tuner who has experience, but I guess he doesn't know shit about a sr20

[unometeeter]

If you only had proof of all your statements and any back and forth conversation than maybe you might have a case. Witnesses don't mean shit unless they are anonymous and you don't know them otherwise they are considered friends "helping out", it is your word against his and that isn't much of case. I am not an attorney nor am I a legal consultant, anything expressed may or may not be correct, and I hold no responsibility for any actions taken with respect to anything expressed by me. Next time get paperwork or a reciept for any and all work and get everything said in writing.

Trust me I'm trying to get paperwork but he's being shady about te situation, I'm not trying to push this into legal action, but the fact is I did not sign a waiver releasing him from liability. He is liable I signed nothing, he blew my t25 at 16psi, everyone knows that turbo won't flow that much boost, it'll just heat soak and blow.

[unometeeter]

^^^^ The truth but rong all that matters is the car was running when it came now is in op Cuz of the shop abuse their luck is not your luck you could very easily win this case. Dodd you get a "work order" from this shop some kind of receipt??????

No, nothing I was told to drop it off and leave the keys in it, they took my name and number. You need a Dyno consent form of some sort for this kind of work. This is to protect the tuner. Unfortunately this shop is unprofessional and tey need to take car of there actions. If I was given a consent form I would not be talking about this, it would be on me

[KiLLeR2001]

I don't understand this "7psi tune". Isn't this a stock SR? Hook your wastegate directly to boost pressure and there is your 7psi tune.

Unless this guy is feeling generous, I think we all know how this story will turn out.

[unometeeter]

I don't understand this "7psi tune". Isn't this a stock SR? Hook your wastegate directly to boost pressure and there is your 7psi tune.

Unless this guy is feeling generous, I think we all know how this story will turn out.

I wanted a stock tune, for best reliability it was running lean, injectors, greddy intake, intake/exhaust manifold, 3 inch isis exhaust from turbo back, greddy fmic, , fpr, bov, apexi power fc. And more. I just wanted it a little bit richer in boost.

[z2roll4life7]

Hate to be this guy but if you got a FPR and added a little more pressure you could of got what you were asking with out all this trouble.

I blew my t25 (like snapped the shaft in half) years ago and it didn't take the motor with it and I had to drive it 30 miles home.

There had to be another problem, low oil or excessive heat breaking down the oil.

[rwtf]

I don't understand this "7psi tune". Isn't this a stock SR? Hook your wastegate directly to boost pressure and there is your 7psi tune.

Unless this guy is feeling generous, I think we all know how this story will turn out.

I was wondering the same shit. actually 11psi is stock with the boost solenoid, and 7psi stock wg spring.

[Hoffman5982]

I see you're in Navarre. This wasn't Drunk Man Tuning was is?

[unometeeter]

I was wondering the same shit. actually 11psi is stock with the boost solenoid, and 7psi stock wg spring.
No boost solenoid wastegate was set to 7psi he put a mbc ok the car, he didn't do 12psi with a t25 which is common he over boosted to 16 way to much for a t25

[unometeeter]

I see you're in Navarre. This wasn't Drunk Man Tuning was is?

No names will be said yet.

[unometeeter]

Hate to be this guy but if you got a FPR and added a little more pressure you could of got what you were asking with out all this trouble.

I blew my t25 (like snapped the shaft in half) years ago and it didn't take the motor with it and I had to drive it 30 miles home.

There had to be another problem, low oil or excessive heat breaking down the oil.

Trust me I tried that, and it was still a little lean. I should have added more and never wet to this "experienced tuner"
Fresh oil change with ams oil. Before the tune, the car was check along with oil pressure/collant everything beforehand so I could get it fixed. Oil level is perfect.
Car has always been sound and solid.

[zurud]

He is not responsible for your motor. Anything can happen. You won't get shit. Wtf with 7 psi tune. Stock everything can go to 12 psi reliably

[WRX_Fan_0717]

Alright I am the Tuner. How do you get I blew out a bearing and turbo on your car from tuning it? lol
You work at a shop man you should know how bearings usually always go. Here i'll piece it together for you .

Lets get this story STRAIGHT bro. It's funny how you leave out the parts of you hitting something on the road 45-55 minutes away from the shop that induced an oil light DRIVING which means you had less than 15psi sustained oil pressure for 45-55 minutes driving to me. Lets be clear oil starvation will spin a bearing and kill a stock turbo from starvation 99/100 times before detonation from a stock turbo even at 14-15psi. I talked to you about this the second i saw it! You dropped off and your car had issues. I have steady appointment to work around and your car gets the any free second I have. That's how all shops treat "problematic' cars.

1) You admitted and told me that you "hit something" on the way to the shop and YOU OIL LIGHT CAME ON. I talked to you about it and expressed my concerns and asked if it was an error. By this time I had idled the car in the bay only, didn't even drive it. All i did was setup your injector offsets/scaling.

2) How the hell do you know what I did? You weren't there? You could have been and I'd much rather you were. How did you even come up with this blatant lies? Is it to get an angle for me to replace you worn/oil starved (you induced btw) motor? You wonder why so many tuners don't like what we do and second guess our own careers.

If i "hit 17psi" and beat the crap out of it i guarantee i'd knock a piston out from det waaaaaay before a HEALTHY bearing on a stock motor. Dude think about it logically, the stock turbo was acting funny with me and I asked about oil pressure. You drove 45 MINUTES from Crestview with NO OIL PRESSURE!!!!!! It was enough to kill your stock turbo you think it wouldn't cause any other harm in the internals?! Ding ding ding!!!
A bearing spins it takes a couple heat cycles before it really shows face. I can almost tell you without doubt the bearing was gone after the car cooled off when you dropped it off.

2) The car has A TON of age on it. I never once said 17psi. The car has NEVER SEEN over 4-5psi EVER in my possession or 60% throttle as i was still dialing in the Injectors, Fuel Map etc. You addmitted to driving the car for a long as time in a lean condition theres no telling the condition of the motor. The MBC was and still is zero'd out on WG pressure. I literally took it out on the side street after finally scaling the injectors and MAF correlation. It has never even seen over 20mph you fool.

3) The car is supposed to be ready for extended WOT tuning when it gets to me. I have to trust your mechanicals to tune the car. You told me it was a faulty sensor and ONLY THEN I finally took it out on the side street where i realized something seemed off. I went back to look over the car again. Check my scalings fuel map etc as it staged fuel oddly. Which nothing out of the norm for a FC car.

4) Honestly man I think you want someone to blame, and sadly you need to mature up look at the situ and realize you have to blame yourself.
I have housed you car for free for over 2 weeks which will end on Monday. I told you to get a junkyard turbo IN CASE YOU OIL SYSTEM is effed so you can replace the oiling system FIRST. I repeated this a few times saying the oiling system is much more important that the stupid turbo which without a doubt died from starvation. Then you really don't blame me for you going against what I said and buying an ISIS turbo and spending mroe money!! I STRONGLY stressed that you DONT do that. I know what i said because i was standing there when I said it.

I did all I could man, it's honestly situations like this that make me not ever help this community out ever again.

I haven't even charged you a freaking DIME yet either. Don't blame your isis turbo that you purchased and aftermarket parts you bought and had installed on me. You are way off there sir, way off from the truth and almost everything you said holds no validity.

I have 4000-5000 happy happy customers my reputation is unblemished until now which is a testament to my personality and willingness to help. I bricked someones ECU recently yeah it happens I overnight a new one. However, if you think for a second your getting a free turbo and motor because you starved your motor of oil you nuts bro. Nuts. This is honestly BS dude all of it and honestly you're on your own now.

Good luck with the car.

Also the only reason why you didn't sign a waiver and I discounted the tune heavily is because Kurtis told me to hook you up. I did and now look where it got me.

[WRX_Fan_0717]

Also I said if EGTs and Knock was non existent we would shoot for 14 maybe 15. I'm not an idiot I don't turn the boost up immediately I have to set/stage lower levels of the fuel map first. Ask anyone who tunes this is common practice.

That car would have been on WG until I hammered out most everything and slowly turned up. You just making up lies.

[z2roll4life7]

1) You admitted and told me that you "hit something" on the way to the shop and YOU OIL LIGHT CAME ON. I talked to you about it and expressed my concerns and asked if it was an error. By this time I had idled the car in the bay only, didn't even drive it. All i did was setup your injector offsets/scaling.



Well now I guess we know what happened

[Croustibat]

I just wrote a long answer, but a crappy system just blocked and deleted it.

So here is the short version. SR20DETs can handle 30+ psi; a blown turbo does not kill a bearing, a CA18DET T25 can hold 15+ psi all day even though it starts to heat soak, and an SR20DET T25 can handle 20psi all day too (i am running one at 23psi now). Finally, oil starvation is easy to prove.

So next time, if the OP wants a reliable tune, he should start by NOT buying crap (isis) and getting a fresh engine. No miracles, worn engine needs a rebuild, not a tune. Sorry OP, but you are quite likely to lose if you intend on something legal.

BTW, my T25 has handled 15+ psi for more than 20.000km before i switched to its bigger brother. And it already was 150.000km old when i got it. Buy crap, buy twice... again, no miracle.

Edit: i am not a pro tuner either, but i do write my own maps using nistune. I can confirm what the tuner says (i dont know him, i live across the ocean, where we dont have KA24s in our S13/14/15 :D )

[KiLLeR2001]

Looks like the OP was having issues with his oil light coming on beforehand...

hey guys i have never had this problem before, i just replaced all the exhaust gaskets, and the oil light will come on at idle, then after i get on the throttle it will turn right off, car has no leaks, and is perfect on oil. runs great, drove over 100 miles with this problem and the motor runs fantastic. so if it was oil pressure it would have nuked the motor by now. im thinking bad sensor/connection/ground. the car is slammed and we just had a ton of rain. anyone know where the sensor is ect, grounds, connections, solutions, tests. advice? i noticed the problem today it has been hot ass hell, it happened on the highway randomly, i might have hit a bump in the road to hard, or hit something that could have messed the connection up. no dents on oil pan. thx!

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=565218

[aga]

op is a retard, it's obvious from the first post.

[unometeeter]

Alright I am the Tuner. How do you get I blew out a bearing and turbo on your car from tuning it? lol
You work at a shop man you should know how bearings usually always go. Here i'll piece it together for you .

Lets get this story STRAIGHT bro. It's funny how you leave out the parts of you hitting something on the road 45-55 minutes away from the shop that induced an oil light DRIVING which means you had less than 15psi sustained oil pressure for 45-55 minutes driving to me. Lets be clear oil starvation will spin a bearing and kill a stock turbo from starvation 99/100 times before detonation from a stock turbo even at 14-15psi. I talked to you about this the second i saw it! You dropped off and your car had issues. I have steady appointment to work around and your car gets the any free second I have. That's how all shops treat "problematic' cars.

1) You admitted and told me that you "hit something" on the way to the shop and YOU OIL LIGHT CAME ON. I talked to you about it and expressed my concerns and asked if it was an error. By this time I had idled the car in the bay only, didn't even drive it. All i did was setup your injector offsets/scaling.

2) How the hell do you know what I did? You weren't there? You could have been and I'd much rather you were. How did you even come up with this blatant lies? Is it to get an angle for me to replace you worn/oil starved (you induced btw) motor? You wonder why so many tuners don't like what we do and second guess our own careers.

If i "hit 17psi" and beat the crap out of it i guarantee i'd knock a piston out from det waaaaaay before a HEALTHY bearing on a stock motor. Dude think about it logically, the stock turbo was acting funny with me and I asked about oil pressure. You drove 45 MINUTES from Crestview with NO OIL PRESSURE!!!!!! It was enough to kill your stock turbo you think it wouldn't cause any other harm in the internals?! Ding ding ding!!!
A bearing spins it takes a couple heat cycles before it really shows face. I can almost tell you without doubt the bearing was gone after the car cooled off when you dropped it off.

2) The car has A TON of age on it. I never once said 17psi. The car has NEVER SEEN over 4-5psi EVER in my possession or 60% throttle as i was still dialing in the Injectors, Fuel Map etc. You addmitted to driving the car for a long as time in a lean condition theres no telling the condition of the motor. The MBC was and still is zero'd out on WG pressure. I literally took it out on the side street after finally scaling the injectors and MAF correlation. It has never even seen over 20mph you fool.

3) The car is supposed to be ready for extended WOT tuning when it gets to me. I have to trust your mechanicals to tune the car. You told me it was a faulty sensor and ONLY THEN I finally took it out on the side street where i realized something seemed off. I went back to look over the car again. Check my scalings fuel map etc as it staged fuel oddly. Which nothing out of the norm for a FC car.

4) Honestly man I think you want someone to blame, and sadly you need to mature up look at the situ and realize you have to blame yourself.
I have housed you car for free for over 2 weeks which will end on Monday. I told you to get a junkyard turbo IN CASE YOU OIL SYSTEM is effed so you can replace the oiling system FIRST. I repeated this a few times saying the oiling system is much more important that the stupid turbo which without a doubt died from starvation. Then you really don't blame me for you going against what I said and buying an ISIS turbo and spending mroe money!! I STRONGLY stressed that you DONT do that. I know what i said because i was standing there when I said it.

I did all I could man, it's honestly situations like this that make me not ever help this community out ever again.

I haven't even charged you a freaking DIME yet either. Don't blame your isis turbo that you purchased and aftermarket parts you bought and had installed on me. You are way off there sir, way off from the truth and almost everything you said holds no validity.

I have 4000-5000 happy happy customers my reputation is unblemished until now which is a testament to my personality and willingness to help. I bricked someones ECU recently yeah it happens I overnight a new one. However, if you think for a second your getting a free turbo and motor because you starved your motor of oil you nuts bro. Nuts. This is honestly BS dude all of it and honestly you're on your own now.

Good luck with the car.

Also the only reason why you didn't sign a waiver and I discounted the tune heavily is because Kurtis told me to hook you up. I did and now look where it got me.

1. I sure did hit something, I called ahead of time, letting them know about that issue for the shop to look at the car and make sure it was ok to drive/tune. They told me everything was ok. I told them to look over the entire car and if anything was needing to be addressed to do it, they obviously released the car to you for tuning after they replaced the fpr that was faulty I out on that day.

2. You told me my car was not running as lean as I thought and it was not that far off because you thought a o2 sensor was bad or some shit, I told the shop to replace it for you so you could do it. You called and told me you had the car tuned good at 7 except the idle issue you were trying to figure out.

3. That's my bad

4. I don't want someone to blame, I need you to help, all you did was tell me you blew it up, and get a cheap used turbo. That's all no follow up, no help. Whatsoever shit I've never heard someone blow a motor up so calmly. Something along the lines of sorry buddy but we'll make this right would have been nice, not jump on the forum find some shit and we'll try again. I never once blamed you until the shop called and told me oil pressure was in point at 40psi. And they don't know why it let go. Turbos just don't go, i don't care what the age, it's the conditions that they are maintained and used that determines there durability. I don't know if you really did over boost it, or if it did what you said it did (let go at idle) @7psi it's so against the odds. I just know I dropped it off running. How it I get it back with rod knock? And a good oil system according to the shop?
I never asked you for ANYTHING. You could have HELPED me by following up and not just leaving the car sitting there. Nothing like hey we can rebuild it or hey let's get this figured out after I replaced the turbo.
It's the fact that you honestly didn't care, and I'm not asking you for anything. No one wanted this to happen, trust me I just wanted a tune, now I feel like I'm getting no where.

[Hoffman5982]

I know the tuner, and have seen a lot of the cars he has tuned. He is excellent at what he does and when the time comes I will not hesitate to have him tune my car. Op is dumb. The only way a t25 will blow the motor is if there are more serious underlying issues. It sucks what happened, but you should not take your car to get tuned unless it is 100% ready. Clearly this car wasn't.

[Yellow4g63]

I loled when he said the tuner spun his bearings.

[Chaluska]

4. I don't want someone to blame, I need you to help, all you did was tell me you blew it up, and get a cheap used turbo. That's all no follow up, no help. Whatsoever shit I've never heard someone blow a motor up so calmly. Something along the lines of sorry buddy but we'll make this right would have been nice, not jump on the forum find some shit and we'll try again. I never once blamed you until the shop called and told me oil pressure was in point at 40psi. And they don't know why it let go. Turbos just don't go, i don't care what the age, it's the conditions that they are maintained and used that determines there durability. I don't know if you really did over boost it, or if it did what you said it did (let go at idle) @7psi it's so against the odds. I just know I dropped it off running. How it I get it back with rod knock? And a good oil system according to the shop?
I never asked you for ANYTHING. You could have HELPED me by following up and not just leaving the car sitting there. Nothing like hey we can rebuild it or hey let's get this figured out after I replaced the turbo.
It's the fact that you honestly didn't care, and I'm not asking you for anything. No one wanted this to happen, trust me I just wanted a tune, now I feel like I'm getting no where.

how is it the tuners responsibility to make sure the engine is in tip-top mechanical shape before tuning it? if i were the tuner, i would have refused to tune it after hearing it had been driven for miles with low oil pressure.

[TheRealSy90]

I don't think I could blow a motor on a t25 if I tried... Also, why would you want it tuned on 7psi when that is less than stock boost lol. You're shit out of luck bro, sounds like you're pre-existing issue of low oil pressure kicked you in the ass.

[anthonyr sil8ty]

Seriously tho who makes a a thread knowing their at fault. Christ the Nissan scene is getting dumber and dumber, Fucking rookies!

[Seraphim38]

One issue with a prior post, if it does come to posting negative reviews you can be counter sued for defamation. Avoiding names at this point is a good idea.

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[Clicky]

My shop got sued because my manager just opened the hood to look at something.

He told the lady she needed to replace an obvious repair.

She denied.

When the customer left it just happened to break down.

She sued and the judge sided with the woman saying that she did not sign anything authorizing us to even touch her car.

She won.

Lol

[dizzariot]

...maybe I should be happy I'm driving and FRS now...even though the community fucking sucks just as much. I love coming here to read :drama:

[LEG1T]

Tuner, sounds like stand up guy...

OP seems to have issues beforehand leading to the mishap.

I'm with the tuner on this just based on both sides case.

[BoostSlideWayz]

Unfortunately its a pretty crappy situation. When ever you have someone do work for you thats not a certified mechanic its tough to actually get any sort of refund.

Personally thats why i only trust tune shops that are actual legitimate business's because like any automotive shop you pay for a fix or upgrade and if they fail to do so or cause more damage they have to fix it with no cost.

In this situation it seems like he has the power because you can't force him to do any repairs. But on the other hand if he charged you money, you paid him and he caused damage he needs to fix it. Even though by law it doesnt have to.

But yeah i can understand your frustration, i've had shops before do things not even related to what i asked to be done and its annoying.

[WRX_Fan_0717]

1. I sure did hit something, I called ahead of time, letting them know about that issue for the shop to look at the car and make sure it was ok to drive/tune. They told me everything was ok. I told them to look over the entire car and if anything was needing to be addressed to do it, they obviously released the car to you for tuning after they replaced the fpr that was faulty I out on that day.

2. You told me my car was not running as lean as I thought and it was not that far off because you thought a o2 sensor was bad or some shit, I told the shop to replace it for you so you could do it. You called and told me you had the car tuned good at 7 except the idle issue you were trying to figure out.

3. That's my bad

4. I don't want someone to blame, I need you to help, all you did was tell me you blew it up, and get a cheap used turbo. That's all no follow up, no help. Whatsoever shit I've never heard someone blow a motor up so calmly. Something along the lines of sorry buddy but we'll make this right would have been nice, not jump on the forum find some shit and we'll try again. I never once blamed you until the shop called and told me oil pressure was in point at 40psi. And they don't know why it let go. Turbos just don't go, i don't care what the age, it's the conditions that they are maintained and used that determines there durability. I don't know if you really did over boost it, or if it did what you said it did (let go at idle) @7psi it's so against the odds. I just know I dropped it off running. How it I get it back with rod knock? And a good oil system according to the shop?
I never asked you for ANYTHING. You could have HELPED me by following up and not just leaving the car sitting there. Nothing like hey we can rebuild it or hey let's get this figured out after I replaced the turbo.
It's the fact that you honestly didn't care, and I'm not asking you for anything. No one wanted this to happen, trust me I just wanted a tune, now I feel like I'm getting no where.


No buddy I NEVER even told you your motor was blown. I said the 20 year old unknown mileage turbo went out on me. You could move the coldside 5mm or more by hand. It's impossible to hear anything over a slapping turbo.
I said replace the turbo with a junker and keep cost down to possibly dig into your oiling problem. Period end of story. Never said the motor was nuked.

I just found out 2 days ago or so that motor did spin a bearing. I have been working nonstop getting customer cars out including today. I don't get days or time off man I don't have the luxuries of constantly calling you. It wasn't a tune matter anyway.

They just found out the motor nuked a bearing after the turbo was purchased and shipped then installed. Like maybe day before yesterday? I have been working non stop and haven't even looked at the car since I decided the turbo was done and pulled it apart for free and checked it for you.

I had 9-10 cars the last couple of days and working on 25 plus days without a day off. Believe me I was getting around to calling you. Bryan called you from the shop two days ago or so? Last we talked was right after your turbo went. 2 weeks prior. There was no inclination the motor was faulty at that time. I just expressed concerns over the oil pressure situation. Also, he (Bryan) would be more of the guy to let you know the motor was dead. You're now mixing up two different scenarios that were weeks apart. I'm the tuner I'm not a mechanic. I tune. Going online and defaming me YOU BETTER BELIEVE I will drop everything to put my rebuttal. You're negligence is now affecting my hard earned credibility that puts food on my table.
It's you're own doing own up to it and don't go online to figure out a way for me to pay for it. I'm not sure if you just don't understand the situation or you truly in some messed up way believe I'm actually somehow responsible.

It's pretty simple man. You oil starved your turbo which causes heat, that nuked the turbo. I had no inclination to believe it was a bearing I raised the fact of if the turbo went from starvation I was worried about the internals. At the time the a turbo seems to die from age after talking to you about my worries.

Also it isn't hard to piece together if your oil pressure as low enough to cook a turbo it would not be a stretch to cook a bearing from starvation. It's common sense man.
I can also tell you without a doubt in my mind that bearing was damaged on the drive out as well as the turbo. You are right a blown turbo won't cause a spun bearing with the minimal amount I drove the car. The ROOT OF THE BLOWN TURBO would which is low oil pressure. Also you lied again you bought that FPR only be used the Nismo one you bought was faulty. We didn't make you buy anything. You wanted too. Also you told us you just bought the car, but now you have this extensive history with it? Lol

I will no longer entertain this thread. You may pickup you car Monday or you will be charge storage fees daily.
I would not suggest walking into my office.



I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a prick, but this is behind ridiculous. And defamation is illegal. I'd chose your words wisely. Because your lack of common mechanical knowledge let's attack the tuner and his reputation? I guess that's just today's society.

[omgosh]

"Stock tune" "7psi tune" lmao

what are you even "tuning" with?

Sucks that this happened but its really all on you OP. 16psi on a t25 shouldnt have been an issue. SRs love to rodknock at the drop of a hat from what Ive seen..

[Aeroscraper326]

No buddy I NEVER even told you your motor was blown. I said the 20 year old unknown mileage turbo went out on me. You could move the coldside 5mm or more by hand. It's impossible to hear anything over a slapping turbo.
I said replace the turbo with a junker and keep cost down to possibly dig into your oiling problem. Period end of story. Never said the motor was nuked.

I just found out 2 days ago or so that motor did spin a bearing. I have been working nonstop getting customer cars out including today. I don't get days or time off man I don't have the luxuries of constantly calling you. It wasn't a tune matter anyway.

They just found out the motor nuked a bearing after the turbo was purchased and shipped then installed. Like maybe day before yesterday? I have been working non stop and haven't even looked at the car since I decided the turbo was done and pulled it apart for free and checked it for you.

I had 9-10 cars the last couple of days and working on 25 plus days without a day off. Believe me I was getting around to calling you. Bryan called you from the shop two days ago or so? Last we talked was right after your turbo went. 2 weeks prior. There was no inclination the motor was faulty at that time. I just expressed concerns over the oil pressure situation. Also, he (Bryan) would be more of the guy to let you know the motor was dead. You're now mixing up two different scenarios that were weeks apart. I'm the tuner I'm not a mechanic. I tune. Going online and defaming me YOU BETTER BELIEVE I will drop everything to put my rebuttal. You're negligence is now affecting my hard earned credibility that puts food on my table.
It's you're own doing own up to it and don't go online to figure out a way for me to pay for it. I'm not sure if you just don't understand the situation or you truly in some messed up way believe I'm actually somehow responsible.

It's pretty simple man. You oil starved your turbo which causes heat, that nuked the turbo. I had no inclination to believe it was a bearing I raised the fact of if the turbo went from starvation I was worried about the internals. At the time the a turbo seems to die from age after talking to you about my worries.

Also it isn't hard to piece together if your oil pressure as low enough to cook a turbo it would not be a stretch to cook a bearing from starvation. It's common sense man.
I can also tell you without a doubt in my mind that bearing was damaged on the drive out as well as the turbo. You are right a blown turbo won't cause a spun bearing with the minimal amount I drove the car. The ROOT OF THE BLOWN TURBO would which is low oil pressure. Also you lied again you bought that FPR only be used the Nismo one you bought was faulty. We didn't make you buy anything. You wanted too. Also you told us you just bought the car, but now you have this extensive history with it? Lol

I will no longer entertain this thread. You may pickup you car Monday or you will be charge storage fees daily.
I would not suggest walking into my office.



I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a prick, but this is behind ridiculous. And defamation is illegal. I'd chose your words wisely. Because your lack of common mechanical knowledge let's attack the tuner and his reputation? I guess that's just today's society.


OP appears to have little mechanical knowledge. What the tuner saying is absolutely correct, you cannot fault his logic. Feelings hurt from loss of his cars heart. Whether the owners fault or not. Redtop SRs have notorious oil pick up problems. So much miscommunication of feelings through internet and text these days. Tuner seems to be an honest individual. OP, maybe it is in everyone's best interest to pick up the car and move on? Its a part of life man, things as such are going to go wrong. Take the punch and use it as an excuse to upgrade when the chance and funds are to be had. #firstworldproblemspoorold20yrSR

[S14TEENZ]

Some tuner (car guys) not the tuner himself feel entitled to something if there is a issue.

" you installed my BOV now my left tail light went out it's your fault"

[fliprayzin240sx]

This is the reason why alot of tuners won't tune cars with an unknown history. Most of the great tuners I've met will only tune it if they built the engine themselves or know/trust the builder. Just not worth all this ass pain for a $600-1K gig when shit goes wrong cuz they're running a 20 yr old engine.

I said it in your other thread and I'll say it again:

Just some facts we've gathered:
- You hit something on your way to the shop and your oil light turned on. Drove on it for miles to get to the shop.
- Tuner asked you about the oil pressure light and YOU TOLD HIM ITS A BAD SENSOR.
- Tuner was setting the initial fuel trims/timing map and your turbo decides to blow itself.
- The tuner tells you to get another turbo and to have you dig around on the oil issue.
- 2 Weeks later, you decided to buy an ISIS turbo and they installed it for you.
- After they did the install, shop realized your engine is knocking too.
- Now you want them to fix it free of charge.

Everything points out to a dented oil pan which is typical on a damn SR20. From the sounds of it, the shop has been trying to work with you but you expect them to take all the blame and have nothing come out of your pocket.

If I was the shop, I'd tell you to eat dick, charge you for the tuning, start racking up storage fees, and I would put a Mechanic's Lien on it when it hits 30 days. Based on what you said above, you're basically attempting to extort the shop to cover your fucked up engine. Just because they have insurance, they should automatically take the hit for something that was FUCKED to begin with, just because they had your car? Wow, you're some other kind of stupid huh? People like you are the reason good tuning shops shut down...

[Chaluska]

This is the reason why alot of tuners won't tune cars with an unknown history. Most of the great tuners I've met will only tune it if they built the engine themselves or know/trust the builder. Just not worth all this ass pain for a $600-1K gig when shit goes wrong cuz they're running a 20 yr old engine.

I said it in your other thread and I'll say it again:

Just some facts we've gathered:
- You hit something on your way to the shop and your oil light turned on. Drove on it for miles to get to the shop.
- Tuner asked you about the oil pressure light and YOU TOLD HIM ITS A BAD SENSOR.
- Tuner was setting the initial fuel trims/timing map and your turbo decides to blow itself.
- The tuner tells you to get another turbo and to have you dig around on the oil issue.
- 2 Weeks later, you decided to buy an ISIS turbo and they installed it for you.
- After they did the install, shop realized your engine is knocking too.
- Now you want them to fix it free of charge.

Everything points out to a dented oil pan which is typical on a damn SR20. From the sounds of it, the shop has been trying to work with you but you expect them to take all the blame and have nothing come out of your pocket.

If I was the shop, I'd tell you to eat dick, charge you for the tuning, start racking up storage fees, and I would put a Mechanic's Lien on it when it hits 30 days. Based on what you said above, you're basically attempting to extort the shop to cover your fucked up engine. Just because they have insurance, they should automatically take the hit for something that was FUCKED to begin with, just because they had your car? Wow, you're some other kind of stupid huh? People like you are the reason good tuning shops shut down...

end thread.

[mechanicalmoron]

You drop off your car, keys, bounce, don't snign anything, don't watch him work, and you think he's at fault... because YOU didn't sign anything?

If you both signed a napkin saying he wouldn't blow your motor, I'd say it's all on him. But you sound pretty happy-go-lucky. And this is a very kind representation of you.

Oil light's on, so you not only drive (jesus, if my light came on while driving, I'd kill the engine that second, and not drive it an inch farther until I had at least confirmed the oil level, and probably just get a tow under insurance, and have a shop check it with a gauge to see what the deal is), but you don't call off tuning?

I won't even let someone change my oil without me watching - in fact, I won't let anybody change my oil - I can't IMAGINE you putting someone you had no working relationship with in that position, with your car. I hesitate at close friends driving it, gotta be quite close to know that they'll just throw down to make it right, if your shit car blows up on them.

[G5SR20240]

I don't know if anyone is actually thinking in terms of what is the mechanical failure of this sitaution. First, a t25 won't "break up" at 16psi, they just do not create anymore power and anyone familiar with turbos will know that. If you had some ungodly amount of boost through it I can understand but 16lbs.. No. Now second, if a spun bearing is an issue it could be anything from running bad oil and losing viscosity from multiple dyno runs. Third, just because it was running fine a few hours ago does not mean it will be fine to do dyno runs over and over again. If you ask any race team or engine builder it will always come down to oil. If he had shattered a piston from leaning it out then it would be in the tuners beat interest to help you. Bearings spin, these parts are not meant to last forever. You are mad and upset and it's understandable but people need to be more informed about how things work when tuning. As I said before, turbo will not eat itself especially if it's a stock oem t25. High temps could cause oiling issues which could be extremely detrimental to your bearings and turbo. Not taking anyone's side but it's the realistic outcome in this situation

[spools420a]

[QUOTE=unometeeter;5647379] He over boosted and did a shitty tune which caused my motor failure. Motors do not destroy themselves by idling at 7psi, QUOTE]

You do relise that your car will not idle and make 7psi correct? more like the opposite of 16hg of vacuum and that puts no strain on your turbo

[Project_PhiL]

Smh... I'm surprised the tuner even touched the car with the issues he had. Sounds like he was trying to help you out man.

[pete240]

First mistake was attempting to tune for 7psi when the stock ecu is already tuned for such a thing. You can't get anymore reliable than what the factory tuned it as. They spent more time then you can imagine calibrating the ecu to work loads of different situations which most self proclaimed tuners just tune for the now situation. Him trying to push you to buy a boost controller to run 15lbs should have been a red flag to just walk away because evidently you already knew the turbo just dumps hot air at 15. Long story short its your fault for letting the "tuner" continue.

[nujabe]

Well.. I had a few bad runs with tuning. First I had these guys make me a s13sr to s14 harness and tune my car in a week.. Well they fucked the harness up and melted my split fire coil packs on the dyno. as much as I wanted them all dead I knew couldn't get any thing out of them and it would have been a waste.. Even though they made the harness that ruined my new 500 dollar coil packs.. I love how all these tuners hide behind legaltys.. But like every one said this is the game you play. I hope you take the dude for every thing he's got.

[VNG704]

Smh... I'm surprised the tuner even touched the car with the issues he had. Sounds like he was trying to help you out man.
Maybe, but I think this is very stupid of the tuner. I'm not a tuner, but if I was, I would not touch that car.

[fliprayzin240sx]

He over boosted and did a shitty tune which caused my motor failure. Motors do not destroy themselves by idling at 7psi,
especcially since there would be the opposite of boost at idle,more like 16hg of vacuum,turbo should be at it safest at idle besides motor being shut off so yes i agree that he overboosted the shit outa your motor and turbo.

Well.. I had a few bad runs with tuning. First I had these guys make me a s13sr to s14 harness and tune my car in a week.. Well they fucked the harness up and melted my split fire coil packs on the dyno. as much as I wanted them all dead I knew couldn't get any thing out of them and it would have been a waste.. Even though they made the harness that ruined my new 500 dollar coil packs.. I love how all these tuners hide behind legaltys.. But like every one said this is the game you play. I hope you take the dude for every thing he's got.

I guess you guys both missed the part that the OP dropped the car off to get tuned with the OIL PRESSURE LIGHT ON and told the tuner its just a bad sensor.

[Project_PhiL]

Then the tuner should have told him GET A NEW SENSOR or I'm not touching the car.


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[fliprayzin240sx]

Then the tuner should have told him GET A NEW SENSOR or I'm not touching the car.


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He should have, would have never been in this situation of he had, but would you put the blame on the tuner and expect him to rebuild the engine for free? This kid is basically attempting to extort a shop to get his way. Legal help...pffft, he wants legal help, he should have gone straight to an attorney.

My guess is the shop already reached out to the OP with something along the lines of cheap/near free labor but OP buys the parts out of his pocket and wasn't too happy that he'd have to pay out since he could barely afford the tune to begin with.

[Project_PhiL]

One of the most highly respected tuners in our area has been tuning for over 20years and if you drop the car off to him with a single issue or leak etc he'll tell you to come pick it up or he'll charge you dumb money to have his mechanic fix whatever the issue may be. If it was the oil sensor he shoulda picked one up that's such a super cheap and easy fix. When a car isn't 100% ready to be tuned something like this happens 99% of the time


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[Project_PhiL]

No way I wouldn't blame the tuner. Especially of I was the negligent one taking shortcuts. I own up to my mistakes and like these guys are saying. THIS IS THE GAME YOU PLAY. I agree with you %100 I'm not taking sides neither party wanted this outcome.


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[mogli9000]

It sounds like you are a little full of it. There is always 2 sides to a story.

1) You bought a boost controller to "tune" 7 pounds.....

How do we know your motor isn't a POS? It is a 240sx...

Also how much oil was gushing out of that turbo when it was blown?

Must be QUARTS load. Usually a blown turbo just spits out oil under boost. It doesn't leak quarts at a time.

Also a rod bearing doesn't go out from your turbo.

Also as a customer in the car field, it is your duty to be apart of your vehicle's build.

Scratch it as your fault and learn to pay a little more for a tune next time on top of you participating in the tune.

I'm assuming it took more than 1 day because the motor wasn't qualified for a tune. So he had to fix whatever leaks it had then put it on the dyno.

[Agent S14]

Buy another SR motor they arent expensive.

[ixfxi]

it's funny how you leave out the parts of you hitting something on the road 45-55 minutes away from the shop that induced an oil light driving which means you had less than 15psi sustained oil pressure for 45-55 minutes driving to me.

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Don't blame your isis turbo that you purchased

wait i take that back..................... END THREAD

[Project_PhiL]

Buy another SR motor they arent expensive.


Easier said than done. May seem weird to you but we don't all have a couple grand laying around. I hope this isn't his DD. DD racekars aren't cheap lol


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[s14SRguy]

LOL FLORIDA

that explains EVERYTHING



nuff said

[Project_PhiL]

I guess I gotta go to Texas then. Apparently they have running srs laying around for $500-800


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[NISR20MO]

I had a tough time selling a perfect Blacktop S13 SR Longblock for $800, so I opted to help a buddy out and let it go for $300. Look around because what you see is not necessarily what it always sells for.

[Project_PhiL]

Cheapest I saw one go for here was actually semi built had head work and was cammed for $500. Didn't last 24hrs

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[Project_PhiL]

Normally the asking price is absurd. But you can find a great deal on almost anything if you have time. I don't think this kid does lol


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[Agent S14]

i forget you guys havent graduated and have actual jobs

[Project_PhiL]

..............

[cotbu]

I want to see this bearing killer tune. Is it like the 9999 bug, where your bearings just vapoorize!

Sent from my Highly Tuned Galaxy S3.4!!!

[simmode1]

I guess I gotta go to Texas then. Apparently they have running srs laying around for $500-800


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Uhhh... Excuse me while I call BS on this one...lol... No sir.

[Project_PhiL]

Uhhh... Excuse me while I call BS on this one...lol... No sir.


According to this guy they do lol


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[venom2034]

You automatically assume the risks of a tune the second you pass the keys over to the shop. Nothing is guaranteed once you tamper out of the oem specs. There is just too many variables to point fingers at who did what. Sucks you had to take a loss but all we can say is welcome to the game.

[racepar1]

A bad tune is not going to spin a rod bearing, that's an oiling issue. A bad tune could burn a hole in the piston and maybe melt the turbo seals if it's WAY too lean. While I DO agree that he should have done a better job of listening to what the customer wants, I am skeptical that he blew your engine. It sounds like your oil pump took a dump, which is a very common SR issue and not the "tuner's" fault. If it lost oil pressure it could easily spin a bearing and blow the turbo. A bad tune wouldn't necessarily cause either of those issues. Without paperwork you're fucked no matter what though. The bottom line is that modifying a car is a risk that you MUST be willing to take responsibility for. Most shops would have you sign a liability waiver to that extent, and then you'd still be fucked even with the paperwork.

[Spring Break '92]

Turbos just don't go, i don't care what the age, it's the conditions that they are maintained and used that determines there durability.

Bullshit. They have bearings. Bearings are wear parts. I know someone who had a ball bearing Garrett turbo go out. More importantly, how do YOU know how your turbo was maintained and used back in the 90's when your turbo and SR motor were running around in Japan doing god only knows what?

[Whitesil80315]

Not to sound like a dick and Im sorry for your situation but....why waste the money on tuning for a stock sr thats already been reliable for you for a whole 2 years already?

Back on topic, Unless you rebuilt the engine yourself you have no real idea how much abuse that engine has taken while it was in japan. If its a redtop hell it could have close to 90k on the engine and just because someone power washed it you would have no idea. Once you start getting a car on the dyno and doing hard pulls and multiple heat cycles it will start taking toll on engine parts.

I don't imagin the tune was the cause of a rod bearing unless he was deaf cause it would take some serious knock/detonation to kill bearings.

[OutlawLui]

just save up for that long block ..

[ixfxi]

at this point

i dont see what the problem is.

pull motor. disassemble block. overhaul w/ new bearings

quit being a pussy

[Rusker]

Easier said than done. May seem weird to you but we don't all have a couple grand laying around. I hope this isn't his DD. DD racekars aren't cheap lol


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I'd suggest finding a new hobby. Honestly...

[Rusker]

OP it sounds like you fucked up. Now the real question is what are you going to do about fixing it?

[spools420a]

Well.. I had a few bad runs with tuning. First I had these guys make me a s13sr to s14 harness and tune my car in a week.. Well they fucked the harness up and melted my split fire coil packs on the dyno. as much as I wanted them all dead I knew couldn't get any thing out of them and it would have been a waste.. Even though they made the harness that ruined my new 500 dollar coil packs.. I love how all these tuners hide behind legaltys.. But like every one said this is the game you play. I hope you take the dude for every thing he's got.
people like you is why theres no good tuner shops,you try to "take them for everything they got" as soon as theres a mechanical problem thats has nothing to do with the tune..grow up.

[Croustibat]

Easier said than done. May seem weird to you but we don't all have a couple grand laying around. I hope this isn't his DD. DD racekars aren't cheap lol


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I wonder what happens in the mind of people that want to run in an old sports car with a modified turbo engine without a couple grand laying around for repair and maintenance.

Seriously guys, that is the price of modified cars. If you can't afford that, don't try to run one or be prepared to sell it for cheap when (not if) it breaks.

No money for rainy days ? No race car, no modified car, no fast cars. Get a cheap reliable daily. When you get money, buy that much wanted car.

[Project_PhiL]

I wonder what happens in the mind of people that want to run in an old sports car with a modified turbo engine without a couple grand laying around for repair and maintenance.



Seriously guys, that is the price of modified cars. If you can't afford that, don't try to run one or be prepared to sell it for cheap when (not if) it breaks.



No money for rainy days ? No race car, no modified car, no fast cars. Get a cheap reliable daily. When you get money, buy that much wanted car.


That's why my rb isn't my daily!


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[Flyin_bryan]

Ok guy's put all the blame aside and let's say he did win the battle against the shop, guess what, look at the fine print at the bottom of the judgement it says. ( IT IS UP TO THE PLAINTIFF TO RETRIEVE THE SUM OF THE JUDGEMENT) which means even if he did win its up to him to collect from the shop not the courts, Which is a whole other mess of courts paperwork and shit!. I agree with the majority here that, t
he shops have no recourse for their actions, it sucks but that's the way it is.

[Kingtal0n]

I think the lesson here is to learn to do everything yourself, and learn to blame yourself for everything.

[Nikzilla]

What King said ^^

If you learn to do everything yourself, you avoid the fallout drama of fuckups.

When I take something to a machine shop to get welded, I get angry if it's off by even 1 mm, but if I do it myself I have noone but myself to blame. I can do it better next time.

[ziptie]

I had a similar situation. Spent thousands building a motor only for the tuner to advance the timing too much without realizing. Melted a piston after an hour of driving.

I took it to another tuner who looked at it and wrote up a report based on the tuning maps on the ecu and the damage. The report advised the engine issue was a direct result of the previous tune. I went back to the original tuner (before pursuing any sort of legal help) and he ended up paying for it to be rebuilt... which took a year. If it was a stock motor i might not have bothered with the hassle of it all trying to recoup my losses. But it was several thousand dollar engine rendered worthless in an hour because of his incompetence.

I should finally be picking up my car tomorrow. I feel your pain and wish you all the best.

[simmode1]

^^^ Not the same situation. At all.

[JBB]

^^ Agreed. Also, you are letting the same shop that messed up your engine the first time rebuild it? That sounds like a great idea

I had a similar situation. Spent thousands building a motor only for the tuner to advance the timing too much without realizing. Melted a piston after an hour of driving.

I took it to another tuner who looked at it and wrote up a report based on the tuning maps on the ecu and the damage. The report advised the engine issue was a direct result of the previous tune. I went back to the original tuner (before pursuing any sort of legal help) and he ended up paying for it to be rebuilt... which took a year. If it was a stock motor i might not have bothered with the hassle of it all trying to recoup my losses. But it was several thousand dollar engine rendered worthless in an hour because of his incompetence.

I should finally be picking up my car tomorrow. I feel your pain and wish you all the best.

[AFSil80]

Interesting how the OP said the tuner was avoiding him...and then the tuner comes on here and tells his side of the story (which clears everything up) and now the OP hasn't responded.

Hmmmm...

[wolfpack]

I was thinking the same thing... :mepoke:

[simmode1]

Interesting how the OP said the tuner was avoiding him...and then the tuner comes on here and tells his side of the story (which clears everything up) and now the OP hasn't responded.

Hmmmm...

Ahhh... The old rep system would be so handy right about now.

[redline racer510]

ahhh... The old rep system would be so handy right about now.
agree^^^^^^^

[Agent S14]

op is an idiot thread

[Grocery Cart]

I know I'm going against my own comment.. But why is this still close to the top on new posts every time I log on!
Tuner ended this, OP hasn't replied. Are we waiting for retaliation or are we just letting it drag on? :drama:

[fliprayzin240sx]

^^^I think we're all just in for LuLz...

[simmode1]

Tuner ended this, OP hasn't replied. Are we waiting for retaliation or are we just letting it drag on? :drama:

Unfortunately, my firewalls at work prevent me from posting the gif of MJ eating popcorn. But you guys get the message.

[Grocery Cart]

Unfortunately, my firewalls at work prevent me from posting the gif of MJ eating popcorn. But you guys get the message.

I gotchu.
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[redss]

No buddy I NEVER even told you your motor was blown. I said the 20 year old unknown mileage turbo went out on me. You could move the coldside 5mm or more by hand. It's impossible to hear anything over a slapping turbo.
I said replace the turbo with a junker and keep cost down to possibly dig into your oiling problem. Period end of story. Never said the motor was nuked.

I just found out 2 days ago or so that motor did spin a bearing. I have been working nonstop getting customer cars out including today. I don't get days or time off man I don't have the luxuries of constantly calling you. It wasn't a tune matter anyway.

They just found out the motor nuked a bearing after the turbo was purchased and shipped then installed. Like maybe day before yesterday? I have been working non stop and haven't even looked at the car since I decided the turbo was done and pulled it apart for free and checked it for you.

I had 9-10 cars the last couple of days and working on 25 plus days without a day off. Believe me I was getting around to calling you. Bryan called you from the shop two days ago or so? Last we talked was right after your turbo went. 2 weeks prior. There was no inclination the motor was faulty at that time. I just expressed concerns over the oil pressure situation. Also, he (Bryan) would be more of the guy to let you know the motor was dead. You're now mixing up two different scenarios that were weeks apart. I'm the tuner I'm not a mechanic. I tune. Going online and defaming me YOU BETTER BELIEVE I will drop everything to put my rebuttal. You're negligence is now affecting my hard earned credibility that puts food on my table.
It's you're own doing own up to it and don't go online to figure out a way for me to pay for it. I'm not sure if you just don't understand the situation or you truly in some messed up way believe I'm actually somehow responsible.

It's pretty simple man. You oil starved your turbo which causes heat, that nuked the turbo. I had no inclination to believe it was a bearing I raised the fact of if the turbo went from starvation I was worried about the internals. At the time the a turbo seems to die from age after talking to you about my worries.

Also it isn't hard to piece together if your oil pressure as low enough to cook a turbo it would not be a stretch to cook a bearing from starvation. It's common sense man.
I can also tell you without a doubt in my mind that bearing was damaged on the drive out as well as the turbo. You are right a blown turbo won't cause a spun bearing with the minimal amount I drove the car. The ROOT OF THE BLOWN TURBO would which is low oil pressure. Also you lied again you bought that FPR only be used the Nismo one you bought was faulty. We didn't make you buy anything. You wanted too. Also you told us you just bought the car, but now you have this extensive history with it? Lol

I will no longer entertain this thread. You may pickup you car Monday or you will be charge storage fees daily.
I would not suggest walking into my office.



I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a prick, but this is behind ridiculous. And defamation is illegal. I'd chose your words wisely. Because your lack of common mechanical knowledge let's attack the tuner and his reputation? I guess that's just today's society.

You are nice guy. If I was in your shoes, I wouldn't have been so nice.

[simmode1]

I gotchu.
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[winter]

And people wonder why my motor is not "ready" , because I replaced everything on it before trying to tune it only for it to possibly detonate...it's depressing to see people instantly point fingers and blame. Do it right the first time, or not at all.