I Used To Be A Honda Guy..

[shortandsour]

ok ok, you guys are going to just flame me for jumping on the band wagon, i used to be a honda guy...had a decent turboed integra for a bit, need something faster, well i just bought a 96 240sx se for 3600..need some help getting it up to par, my previous car ran low 11s i want this one to run 10s..thinking about a rb25det swap. going to keep it as close to oem exterior as possible. be fun having a 10sec sleeper..well i have about 5gs to do engine work, a friend of mine is giving me a really good deal on the engine and install with the mounts and driveshaft soo that cost is taken care of.

YA like i said i have 5g to do the turbo system, i heard the stock internals are pretty stong soo goign to leave them alone for a bit, and i can do all my own machine work/installs. basically i just need to buy the parts.What i need to know are some off brand places that make good quality exhaust manifolds, i looked at some of the ones from hks, trust ect, but 2300+ dont sit too well with me, currently plan on running a t88 off a supra (have that already). have a AEM e-manage sitting around some where, guess i need a fuel up grade too...what works for these?? Any help, sugesstions, flames are welcome thx

[iyceman]

First off, meet a fun friend of ours called Mr. Search. Mr. Search will help you gain knowledge, but he asks that you do a little of the damned work yourself. Second, if you bought a 240SX simply to have a faster drag car, you're an idiot, and you are most DEFINITELY jumping on the band wagon. Third, you should try actually RESEARCHING the engine instead of coming on and asking us what parts to buy. If you want someone to make you an engine go to a shop, give them your money, and say "Make my car fast, and don't forget the Type-R badges yo!!!".

[Yoshi]

my only comment.
5g's is no where near enough $ to get 10's.

why did you get a 240 if you just want to go in a straight line? Everyone knows that drag is NOT the 240's strong suit. :wtf:
sure they can be made very fast, but there's better platforms to go with if that's all that's important... american muscle especially can be made very straightline fast for low $.

[Demik]

i used to use my 240 to pull my 4 wheelers

[iyceman]

^^^ Like Yoshi said, you bought the wrong car. Go sell you 240SX to somebody who knows wtf they're doing, buy a 1G DSM and build it to 10s all day long. Just leave or poor innocent cars alone.

[shortandsour]

um 5g is pretty close to enough, i have the turbo, intercooler, have access to pipe bender, engine mangement most major fuel related stuff, i have a garage full of parts. can get all machine work for free and i built enough cars in my days to do the labor, and in case you thought i didnt research there is not that much info on the net about rb25 swaps into s14s, and the reason you think 240s dont do well in drag is becuse no one has built one yet just for drag,except compines like jun and signal auto, and i think there cars run low 9s?? when i built my integra for drag in 96 people said the same thing, and i never said only for drag, its just what i use as a reference to as how quick a car is, knowtice i said quick, not fast.pretty much have all the suspension worked out already.just need some places i can buy parts for a reasonable price as i always end up tweeking the parts, like replacing flanges, adding braces ect.

[iyceman]

We don't think dude, we know from experience. We don't say that they aren't good drag cars because we haven't seen it done, we say that because we understand the dynamics and design of our damned cars. Our cars aren't really designed to make enough power to make them into 10 second cars. When you were setting up your Acura for drag, these cars already had seven years of experience in tuning them. Also, there is plenty of information on the RB25DET into the S14, if you tried searching you'd already have a good amount of info on it. I can say that safely since I was planning to do an RB25DET swap, and I know all of the shit you need to do it, and I've talked to people who HAVE done it. Don't try to come on asking us for help and then attempt (badly I might add) to school us with you lack of knowledge.
Oh, and it's spelled notice...

[Ghettokracker71]

^^^ Like Yoshi said, you bought the wrong car. Go sell you 240SX to somebody who knows wtf they're doing, buy a 1G DSM and build it to 10s all day long. Just leave or poor innocent cars alone.


I'll have to agree. The S-chassis isn't built to run 10's,nor can it be done EFFEICIENTLY. Its a ligthweight N/A RWD sports car. DSMs are dragstrip MONSTERS. 4G63T is a friken MONSTER! Very stout iron block,and that shit'll rev just as good,proble BETTER then your honda. S-chassis is for driving enjoyment,not for dragstrip dude.

[iyceman]

Have fun breaking down every five minutes in your DSM though. DEFINITELY get the six-bolt 1G engine, not the seven-bolt 2G. I know the 2G looks hotter but you will have 10x as many friggin' problems.
:bash: <= Average DSM Owner

[Ghettokracker71]

LOL! Yeah the 1Gs are the best anyway. More power in stock form and IIRC they are lighter weight.

[Heartwork]

Why do people only factor in the cost of engine work alone to go fast, but not invest money in other areas to help use the car to its full potential, i.e. suspension, BRAKES, TRANNY, gearing, LSD, etc....

[iyceman]

Because he ignores the fundemental truth of automotive performance; you can only go as fast as you can stop and turn.

[DuffMan]

Manifold - either make your own, or pay a shop to make it, or buy one off yahoo japan and have it imported by rinkya.com.

The problem is skyline manifolds might not clear everythng in a s14, so custom might be the way to go.

A t88 isnt going to give you much of a powerband on a little rb25. It doesnt give you much powerband on a supra, and you have .5 less displacement. The rb25 doesnt have the same valvetrain as a rb26 for running super high rpm.

Enginge management of your choice. There are tons of options.

Skylines down under forum might be a good place for research since most people on 240 boards dont have rb25s and dont have any experience modifying them for high hp.

[shortandsour]

thx duff, maybe people are nicer there, some things to consider. i have all the suspension, engine management, labor, cooling, most fuel delivery taken care off, can get bigger turbo(s) if need be. im saying i have 5k to spend on just the intake manfold, and exhaust manifolds and related parts..im pretty sure i have most of the little things involved in the project in my garage.

[ftrs13]

I am curious what hp you had in the teg, because with that same amount of HP and the rwd of the 240, you should be able to pull a faster 1/4 time. may need a few extra ponies cause the 240 is heavier. but ignoring that, I think 5g is enough to do it if you have everything that you say, and the freebies and experience. all you need to buy is raw materials, and a couple beefier parts than stock. Id say the number you are looking for are possible with the rb25.

good luckl

[aa87]

The Enjuku SR'd full drag car barely pulls 12's and its got over 500 whp. This car wasnt made to run 10's street, so if your gonna do so, go RB, or buy a supra.

Just checked their site, it broke into the 11's.

[phrozen]

so u already have a rb? a IC for a RB? drag suspension for a s14? injectors for a rb? turbos already? custom drive shaft? motor mounts? transmission mounts? wiring done? u make it sounds like u have everything u need, but in ur first post it sounds like u have nothing yet. and there are fast s-chassi cars hitting 8's but thats extreme gutted cars on full slicks with like 20g's into the motor and another 20 into body and suspension... 3600 for a car another 5 for rb motor tranny driveshaft and mounts and what u have another 5g's? iono dude u need to search more... rb info is everywhere s-chassi cars are more for handling not straight lines, and a 10 sec car that u can drive on the street? sory dont think so not practical

[pruto]

i dunno anthing about engines, so i'm not going to touch this one.... but, can i ask, why?

i think people on this board are saying that yeah, you probably can do it, its not likely. but with the same amount of work/money on a different chassis you'll be able to do it easier/faster/less trouble. So why a s14?

people USUALLY don't buy type r's to take to the drag strip, nor do they build up old school muscle to have fun in the twisties. You don't really take a car out of its element unless you really love that car and/or you want to do something different.

good luck dude, and hopefully, you can prove everyone wrong. but most likely, you'll find out why drag 240s are so rare and the high cost of being different.

[DJ_Sunrise]

like what most people are saying.. the 240 is a handling car, not a drag car. you can peel a banana, you can peel an apple, but why? just eat the damn thing.. aka.. you can do it, but is it worth the effort/money? youll need nismo motor mounts, cusco LSD to lay down the power, enjuku aluminum drive shaft, lightweight flywheel, powerful clutch, upgraded injectors, air-fuel controller.. am i missing anything? hmm..i think you should do a RB26DETT swap. the twin turbo woulda helped a ton, www.underground-motorsports.com just built one. check it out. go custom on the exhaust manifold, and make sure ur running a big exhaust.. Apex'i GT Spec. or save urself some cash and buy a muscle car hehe. if you change ur mind about making the 240 a drag car, i can find a nice home for it. good luck.


~Sunrise

[thelinja]

Who cares what the man wants to do with his car? I don't see people at autox's bitching to the F-body drivers about "keeping it at the strip."

[iyceman]

We don't care, but don't expect us to just smile and tell him what parts to buy. Personally I don't give a rat's ass, but the likelihood of him pulling it off alright is very low. Like everybody has said, our cars DO NOT LIKE TO DRAG RACE! This is up there with the people who have made RWD drifting Integras. Sure, it's possible, but it takes more effort than it's worth just to be "different". And just because the 240SX is RWD doesn't automatically translate to it being faster on a strip.

[TokyoNights]

My brother has a rb25 in his 240 so trust me when I say youre going to need to get the tranny strengthened! It doesnt like 400+ hp.

[sepulchral]

sell the 240 u bought and combine 5000$ and buy a 10 second 240 already modded, otherwise youll be lookin at spending atleast 3000$ building motor $3000 on a ka turbo kit, and $2000 in extras

[iyceman]

Read the post dude. He has an RB25DET, he isn't using a KA.

[HyperTek]

but if he wants a freeway terror, be my guest... =D

[GlacierFreeze]

S-chasis not good for drag eh? I remember seeing a post made by a certain someone who ran a 10.89 with around 385rwhp on an sr20. Sounds pretty good to me.

[skatanic28]

A t88 isnt going to give you much of a powerband on a little rb25. It doesnt give you much powerband on a supra, and you have .5 less displacement. The rb25 doesnt have the same valvetrain as a rb26 for running super high rpm.

can get bigger turbo(s) if need be

usually when people tell you that you are already not going to have a powerband...youd go for a smaller turbo instead of 2 bigger ones. unless you are going for that unstreetable boost at 5500 rpm kinda thing. our cars can make power at low rpm, so i think havin some boost response would be nice.

[Ghettokracker71]

S-chasis not good for drag eh? I remember seeing a post made by a certain someone who ran a 10.89 with around 385rwhp on an sr20. Sounds pretty good to me.

S-chassis not BUILT for drag,anybody can make anything do what they want with enough money. This guy is clearly on a budget.

You remeber seeing ONE that ran a 10.8....I've seen handfulls of DSMs that can run lower then that without having to swap the engine out;And trust me VA isn't exactly the place to spot lots of hot imports....

[bkfill]

blah blah blah blah gut the damn car full-race.com i think they build manifolds
yes try a smaller turbo
SINGLE don't go twin
might need some nitrous
but the car will not look like a sleeper if u wanna do 10s

what every1 said is right the price will be to much and alot will be done

[AenjukuCar]

ive heard that the ringlands on the rb25 crack around 400whp so, if u plan to leave the internals stock no way are u going to hit 10's trust me, plus around 400whp the syncros are going to fry......or u can just use the SEARCH forum.

[TheTimanator]

It doesn't matter if our cars were built for drag neither was his Integra but he made it pretty quick. Enjuku's doing it and I don't hear people bashing their car. Either way, he could get into the 10's one way or another.

Personally, I like to see my car get into the 12's just as a reference to know how quick the car can be. I'm not really into drag racing but it's fun and cheap. On these boards you'll notice that every one hates on drag racing.

[uiuc240]

OMG. This thread is so :ghey:

Why do people incessantly talk about the 240 not being "built for drag?" There isn't a SINGLE road car that is "built for drag". The only cars that are specifically built to drag race are Funny Cars and Top Fuel Cars. The rest are modifications on street cars. My point here is that ANY car on the street can be made to drag race. Drag racing is just driving fast in a straight line. It's what road racecars do on the long straights. It's what Le Mans cars do when they start. Are you telling me that the Audi R8 isn't capable of drag racing? That bitch will pull low 11s all day (my guess). It would go even faster with lower gearing. And it's NOT a drag car.

The 240 can be built to launch HARD and run FAST. People hit 60 foots below 1.5 seconds! That's FAST!

Having said all that, I do agree that if you're looking for cheap speed, look elsewhere. The 240 is NOT going to be a happy 500 hp car. It can be a happy 300-350 hp car...but 500 hp is going to require lots of attention.

Also, like Duff said, a T88 is going to SUCK ASS on an SR20DET or an RB25DET. You need much more displacement, or else you need to build the motor to run about 9000-10000 rpm. T78 maybe. T67 would be great.

There just becomes a point where your goals and the car don't match up. I don't think a 500 hp 240 would be a very enjoyable car. Too much power with too small of a powerband and too light of a chassis.

But whatever. I'm rambling. Do what you want. Just know that you're building yourself into a corner by choosing the 240 as your platform of choice. If you want FAST for CHEAP, buy the nicest Mustang GT you can find for your money and save just enough to put a blower on it. Bam!

Eric

[twitchy]

get a 5 liter mustang for the same price as a 240 and the mods are cheaper and it can be made fast for cheap trust me!

[AlexAtPerformanceNissan]

If you are serious about trying to make you S14 a 10 second car.... it will have to become a shell, stripped of most things as many drag cars are, and also have to lose all amenities, power nothing, no a/c, etc..... JUN makes a drag reaer end for the S14 that they used on their Hyper Lemon drag car...
You might want to look into that....

-Alex B.

[Salty_X]

Build something like this...

http://img47.photobucket.com/albums/v145/salty_x/project_s14_1.jpg

Now we're talking.

[DuffMan]

Build something like this...

http://img47.photobucket.com/albums/v145/salty_x/project_s14_1.jpg

Now we're talking.

Hmm, needs some lower offset wheels for flushness. ;)

[AlexAtPerformanceNissan]

Hmm, needs some lower offset wheels for flushness. ;)


Bro, i'm pretty sure he is running as low offset as he can in order to fit those huge drag slix wihtout rubbing inner wheel well.... That is a sick setup...

-Alex B.

[Ghettokracker71]

On these boards you'll notice that every one hates on drag racing.


I don't hate on drag racing,I just think that if you are building a drag car ON A BUDGET there are alot of other choices that will be faster cheaper then an S-chassis car.

[bkfill]

Build something like this...
Now we're talking.
where did you get that pic from?

[Salty_X]

where did you get that pic from?
Some guy on Fresh Alloy. I believe it has either a 1jz or a 2jz. Not too sure on the other details...

[GlacierFreeze]

I don't hate on drag racing,I just think that if you are building a drag car ON A BUDGET there are alot of other choices that will be faster cheaper then an S-chassis car.

But then again, it's their car and maybe they don't care if they'll be spending more money and not be quite as fast as if they were to pick another car.

And I agree with all that uiuc240 said above.

[iyceman]

Our objection isn't to him building a drag 240SX, it's that he tried to tell us we were wrong about making a 10 second car on a budget of $5,000 plus an engine and suspension he supposedly has.

[h3x11]

ive heard that the ringlands on the rb25 crack around 400whp so, if u plan to leave the internals stock no way are u going to hit 10's trust me, plus around 400whp the syncros are going to fry......or u can just use the SEARCH forum.

I don't think so, evidently you have no idea what you are talking about and are based on assumption and rumors. the rb25 tranny can hold power over 500hp. FITO on NICO put out 587HP @ 26psi on the stock rb25 bottom end and stock tranny. click here for more info (http://www.nicoclub.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50743&highlight=fito)


....
a 10-sec 240 is not impossible. don't listen to all of this nonesense, because you are just asking questions to a crowed that have no experience in what you're trying to achieve. go hang out at the Nico forums, there are many guys on there that actually have RB-powered 240. $5G budget for breaking 10-sec mark is possible, given that you already have the main parts (turbo, ic, management, engine) on top of the $5G.

best w/ luck.

[Ghettokracker71]

Our objection isn't to him building a drag 240SX, it's that he tried to tell us we were wrong about making a 10 second car on a budget of $5,000 plus an engine and suspension he supposedly has.

What he said ^

[iyceman]

He wants a 10 second STREET car with an RB25DET running a turbo that's about 50% too large for the engine selected and you're telling us that we don't know what the hell we're talking about, and we lack experience? I want to know what suspension parts he's already got that's gonna effectively put enough power to make 10 seconds in street trim before anyone sits there and tells me I don't know what I'm talking about. 5G is NOT a lot of money when the man has the wrong turbo and a bone stock RB25DET. I don't think 5G would make an actual R32 a 10 second car, although I won't swear to it, since I honestly don't know.

[SR_TeXaN]

um.... who gives a fuck about anything anyone is rambling about....If he wants to try the impossible with 5k let him. More Power to you for trying to be different.

[umsports]

I give props to you. I would guess that with our current setup, between our sponsors and us over $60,000 has been invested in our car.

When It's all said and done, I would estimate the car to cost right at $100,000.

Goodluck on $5k.

[Silverbullet]

personally if i were to build up a 240 for power, i'd build up the KA24. Its just so much more simpler and easier. If you really are serious about an RB swap, go with an RB26DETT. Call Japanstar Motors at 1-866-940-6666. They have several RB26 motors in teh warehouse. I've checked them out of course, they are ALL supprisingly in very very good condition. I've bought my SR20 from them and they are good ppl. I acutall had probs with my SR but they helped me fix them with ease.

[iyceman]

Has McKinney finally released the RB26 kit they were making so you could install the RB26 w/o doing a LHD swap? The last time I heard they were the only people who said their setup allowed the USDM RHD to be maintained and I don't know if they've finished producing it.

[TheTimanator]

Has McKinney finally released the RB26 kit they were making so you could install the RB26 w/o doing a LHD swap? The last time I heard they were the only people who said their setup allowed the USDM RHD to be maintained and I don't know if they've finished producing it.
Um,
There have been a least a handful of RB26's in RHD 240's still utilizing the twin turbo's not from McKinney. There was a pic posted here not too long ago...