Molded Body Kit Question

[juvi22003]

So i bought the full supermade body kit for my 95 s14 and i just got a call from the body shop saying the rear bumper is not a perfect fit. He suggested molding it but then if something happens i wouldn't be able to remove the bumper or tap some screws in then cover it up with some body work.

What do you guys suggest?

Also if you did anything similar can please post some pics....thanks

2 pics i took last night before leaving shop, not the best pics:

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r595/juvi22003/My%2095%20240SX%20S14%20Build/photo36_zpsdd19da20.jpg (http://s1173.photobucket.com/user/juvi22003/media/My%2095%20240SX%20S14%20Build/photo36_zpsdd19da20.jpg.html)

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r595/juvi22003/My%2095%20240SX%20S14%20Build/photo25_zps45a2576c.jpg (http://s1173.photobucket.com/user/juvi22003/media/My%2095%20240SX%20S14%20Build/photo25_zps45a2576c.jpg.html)

[jaxshawn]

dont mold it, it's not 2003 anymore

[fliprayzin240sx]

It doesnt look that bad of a fitment, but then again, I cant see where it wraps into the rear wheel well. It might be short there.

[dorkidori_s13]

1) DO NOT MOLD BODY KITS! Dumbest idea ever! Its not 2003 anymore and have fun fixing the giant crack you cause when you scrape the front end or the sideskirts for the first time.

2) If the body shop is complaining about the kit, tell them to suck it up and fit/fix it! Theyre a body shop, thats their job! Most (NOT ALL) body shops are lazy and only like doing insurance work where they have brand new OEM parts that require no effort to fit. Body shops for the most part hate fiberglass body kits, especially knock offs, because it requires them to put more time and effort into a project and not make as much money as say a $20,000 Lexus insurance claim.

3) Welcome to the world of buying mass produced fiberglass aero kits made for cars that are 20+ years old (or approaching that). Nothing on any 240 is straight anymore due to their age and the abuse people have put on them over the years. Even OEM aero doesnt fit right most of the time, and thats polyurethane plastic. Just thank god youre not building a 1968 Mustang Fastback.

[Bnr32gtr]

Don't do it!!!!

[juvi22003]

dont mold it, it's not 2003 anymore

Haha i know just trying to figure out the best way to make it fit to maintain a clean loook.

It doesnt look that bad of a fitment, but then again, I cant see where it wraps into the rear wheel well. It might be short there.

Yeah these were just 2 quick snaps i took last night,it got some good lil gaps on both sides between the quarter panel and the bumper

[juvi22003]

1) DO NOT MOLD BODY KITS! Dumbest idea ever! Its not 2003 anymore and have fun fixing the giant crack you cause when you scrape the front end or the sideskirts for the first time.

2) If the body shop is complaining about the kit, tell them to suck it up and fit/fix it! Theyre a body shop, thats their job! Most (NOT ALL) body shops are lazy and only like doing insurance work where they have brand new OEM parts that require no effort to fit. Body shops for the most part hate fiberglass body kits, especially knock offs, because it requires them to put more time and effort into a project and not make as much money as say a $20,000 Lexus insurance claim.

3) Welcome to the world of buying mass produced fiberglass aero kits made for cars that are 20+ years old (or approaching that). Nothing on any 240 is straight anymore due to their age and the abuse people have put on them over the years. Even OEM aero doesnt fit right most of the time, and thats polyurethane plastic. Just thank god youre not building a 1968 Mustang Fastback.

Don't do it!!!!

Thanks guys guess molding is not an option and we'll have to figure something else out to make it fit and maintain that clean look. He done lots of work for me in the pass so i'm sure he can figure out something else.

[LEG1T]

DONT DO ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Srsly

[Driftwire]

Dont mold it.

[fliprayzin240sx]

If you want a clean look, stop buying shit ass/knock off body kits. Thats what happens when you pay $500 for a bodykit, you end up getting raped by a shop to make it fit.

[juvi22003]

DONT DO ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Srsly

Dont mold it.

Got it fellows

If you want a clean look, stop buying shit ass/knock off body kits. Thats what happens when you pay $500 for a bodykit, you end up getting raped by a shop to make it fit.

First of all i'm not the one to go cheap or buy knock off parts, i had a 07 IS250 go check on my build on clublexus or my other current build which is a 2014 IS250. I bought the kit for $750 from Jordan innovations expecting quality product not something from wings west but didnt make a big deal out of it since the car is just going to be a daily. I only got the sides and rear and i'm hoping eventually when he sends out the front i wont have fitment issues.

I did buy some cheap stuff for my 240 just because its a daily and not really a show car but i still spent my money expecting quality products.

[juvi22003]

My current IS250

Weds Kranze Bazreia Side & Rear | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11200914384/)

Weds Kranze Bazreia Rolling Shot | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11200911185/)

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2834/11542112555_c0c8e798c1_b.jpg

My Previous Is250

My lexus is250 rear | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8869979135/)

My Is250 on Work Meister | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8869979007/)

Work Rezax II | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8672028623/)

BBQ1 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8384147420/)

My lexus Is250 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8223676497/)

Lots more pics and setup i can post but don't need to prove anything to anyone it was a simple question. I thought thats one of the things u do on forums

[zooopreme]

Noooooobody caaaaaaaares. Your need to show internet credentials is amusing. You bought a cheaper end aero kit and now you're going to have to make it work. Don't get all kinds of defensive because somebody called the truth out.

[Munki]

The kit looks fine... Cant really tell if its sagging in the middle since the lights arnt on. If that shop can't fit it correctly id just go somewhere else...

And it doesn't matter if you buy the real deal, fitment still isn't going to be as perfect like OEM parts.

[juvi22003]

Noooooobody caaaaaaaares. Your need to show internet credentials is amusing. You bought a cheaper end aero kit and now you're going to have to make it work. Don't get all kinds of defensive because somebody called the truth out.

Oh hey looked who jumped on the bandwagon :hsdance::hsdance: sorry to disappoint you

The kit looks fine... Cant really tell if its sagging in the middle since the lights arnt on. If that shop can't fit it correctly id just go somewhere else...

And it doesn't matter if you buy the real deal, fitment still isn't going to be as perfect like OEM parts.

The middle is fine its just the 2 sides but i trust him so i know he'll figure something out. Thanks for your input....

[Maiku240sxS14]

First of all i'm not the one to go cheap or buy knock off parts, i had a 07 IS250 go check on my build on clublexus or my other current build which is a 2014 IS250. I bought the kit for $750 from Jordan innovations expecting quality product not something from wings west but didnt make a big deal out of it since the car is just going to be a daily. I only got the sides and rear and i'm hoping eventually when he sends out the front i wont have fitment issues.

Jordan Innovations sells the actual Supermade kits?

[dorkidori_s13]

you bought a copy of an existing body kit, lord knows what generation the original was to begin with. not knocking jordan innovations as they are friends of mine (and they produce quality stuff), but in the world of body kits, unless you want to spend $2000+ on the kit from the original manufacturer, you are going to have fitment issues! its the nature of replicated fiberglass kits.

i cant tell you the amount of time + effort + work that goes into the pieces i reproduce to make sure they fit right after theyve been molded. most folks just take the parts to a fiberglass shop, have molds made and dont worry about the fitment. but to make sure everything properly fits, the kit needs to be tested on the actual car before hand and have a jig built to hold its shape properly while it is being molded otherwise you get parts that flare out or are super wavy. also, properly built molds will get thousands of pulls without warpage. most places that do the cheaper reps of body kits build molds that are not reinforced in anyway and begin warping after only 30-40 pulls. when the molds warp and crack, you have to break them down, trash them and start from scratch with the original piece.

but again, keep in mind that the s13 and s14 are older than most people coming into the 240sx scene now. they DO NOT hold their shape from the factory like once had. the frames are bent, twisted, stretched etc etc. unless youre willing to put in the time, effort and money to have a body kit properly fitted to your car either by yourself or by a body shop, count on having fitment issues!




PS: This just made giggle a bit...

And it doesn't matter if you buy the real deal, fitment still isn't going to be as perfect like OEM parts.

OEM parts require a good amount of work now to fit properly on most S-Chassis due to their age. Yes, they are easier to fit because theyre OEM plastics which can be heated and formed much easier, you will still need to oblong holes, use tons of double sided tape and bend/reshape fender mounting points.

[Munki]

you bought a copy of an existing body kit, lord knows what generation the original was to begin with. not knocking jordan innovations as they are friends of mine (and they produce quality stuff), but in the world of body kits, unless you want to spend $2000+ on the kit from the original manufacturer, you are going to have fitment issues! its the nature of replicated fiberglass kits.

i cant tell you the amount of time + effort + work that goes into the pieces i reproduce to make sure they fit right after theyve been molded. most folks just take the parts to a fiberglass shop, have molds made and dont worry about the fitment. but to make sure everything properly fits, the kit needs to be tested on the actual car before hand and have a jig built to hold its shape properly while it is being molded otherwise you get parts that flare out or are super wavy. also, properly built molds will get thousands of pulls without warpage. most places that do the cheaper reps of body kits build molds that are not reinforced in anyway and begin warping after only 30-40 pulls. when the molds warp and crack, you have to break them down, trash them and start from scratch with the original piece.

but again, keep in mind that the s13 and s14 are older than most people coming into the 240sx scene now. they DO NOT hold their shape from the factory like once had. the frames are bent, twisted, stretched etc etc. unless youre willing to put in the time, effort and money to have a body kit properly fitted to your car either by yourself or by a body shop, count on having fitment issues!




PS: This just made giggle a bit...



OEM parts require a good amount of work now to fit properly on most S-Chassis due to their age. Yes, they are easier to fit because theyre OEM plastics which can be heated and formed much easier, you will still need to oblong holes, use tons of double sided tape and bend/reshape fender mounting points.

Yeah, I don't think I've ever had to go through that much trouble to fit a stock bumper on a 240. I once bought one of those stock plastic aftermarket bumpers you get on ebay, and it still didn't require that much work. Maybe if the car has had some body damage in the past it would be a pita. anyways, I dunno.. I'm not an experienced body shop worker! lol

[feito]

mold it n cut the springs

[juvi22003]

Jordan Innovations sells the actual Supermade kits?

I thought i was buying an actual authectic kit to be honest but when i opened the package i notice the invoice said from wings west. Here is the link to the kit:

Supermade Instant Gentleman Style Bodykit Nissan 95-96 240sx (http://www.jordaninnovations.com/Supermade-Instant-Gentleman-Style-Bodykit-Nissan-95-96-240sx_p_358.html)

[Griiix]

clean look? OEM
cleanest you'll ever get

[juvi22003]

you bought a copy of an existing body kit, lord knows what generation the original was to begin with. not knocking jordan innovations as they are friends of mine (and they produce quality stuff), but in the world of body kits, unless you want to spend $2000+ on the kit from the original manufacturer, you are going to have fitment issues! its the nature of replicated fiberglass kits.

i cant tell you the amount of time + effort + work that goes into the pieces i reproduce to make sure they fit right after theyve been molded. most folks just take the parts to a fiberglass shop, have molds made and dont worry about the fitment. but to make sure everything properly fits, the kit needs to be tested on the actual car before hand and have a jig built to hold its shape properly while it is being molded otherwise you get parts that flare out or are super wavy. also, properly built molds will get thousands of pulls without warpage. most places that do the cheaper reps of body kits build molds that are not reinforced in anyway and begin warping after only 30-40 pulls. when the molds warp and crack, you have to break them down, trash them and start from scratch with the original piece.

but again, keep in mind that the s13 and s14 are older than most people coming into the 240sx scene now. they DO NOT hold their shape from the factory like once had. the frames are bent, twisted, stretched etc etc. unless youre willing to put in the time, effort and money to have a body kit properly fitted to your car either by yourself or by a body shop, count on having fitment issues!




PS: This just made giggle a bit...



OEM parts require a good amount of work now to fit properly on most S-Chassis due to their age. Yes, they are easier to fit because theyre OEM plastics which can be heated and formed much easier, you will still need to oblong holes, use tons of double sided tape and bend/reshape fender mounting points.

As i said i thought i was buying an authentic kit base on what i saw advertise on there website. I have no idea what the original goes for either. I already bought it and nothing i can do about it right now other than to make it fit.

Supermade Instant Gentleman Style Bodykit Nissan 95-96 240sx (http://www.jordaninnovations.com/Supermade-Instant-Gentleman-Style-Bodykit-Nissan-95-96-240sx_p_358.html)

[juvi22003]

mold it n cut the springs

Thanks for your input and i already bought coilovers smh

[juvi22003]

clean look? OEM
cleanest you'll ever get

Too late for that now when fender work is already done 18x9.5+10 and 18x11+8 wheels and 7k worth of other parts

[juvi22003]

I don’t know how a simple question if I should mold my rear bumper or not turned into me being cheap and how much I paid for the kit. I mean really? Some of you guys are really immature and need to grow up. Buying rep or authentic will still cause fitment issues !!!

[Munki]

I don’t know how a simple question if I should mold my rear bumper or not turned into me being cheap and how much I paid for the kit. I mean really? Some of you guys are really immature and need to grow up. Buying rep or authentic will still cause fitment issues !!!

You might be ok molding the rear bumper since it most likely wont touch the ground. As long as you don't bump into anything you should be good.

[nathanong87]

this thread does not deliver.

http://www.gif-king.com/files/uSers/gif-king-2ca668593fba48cd013eac54f9ed97d2.gif

[juvi22003]

You might be ok molding the rear bumper since it most likely wont touch the ground. As long as you don't bump into anything you should be good.

Shop just called me and they wont be molding, he got some other plans. I will sure to post pics when its completed or follow my build thread.

this thread does not deliver.

http://www.gif-king.com/files/uSers/gif-king-2ca668593fba48cd013eac54f9ed97d2.gif

Sure doesnt

[Fuego]

As i said i thought i was buying an authentic kit base on what i saw advertise on there website. I have no idea what the original goes for either. I already bought it and nothing i can do about it right now other than to make it fit.

Supermade Instant Gentleman Style Bodykit Nissan 95-96 240sx (http://www.jordaninnovations.com/Supermade-Instant-Gentleman-Style-Bodykit-Nissan-95-96-240sx_p_358.html)

"Instant Gentleman STYLE" didn't give you a tip off?

[WristWork]

Who takes their car to a body shop to put aero on lol

No one wants to end up like guy
HORRIBLE body shop experience - details inside. 350z ruined. - MY350Z.COM Forums (http://my350z.com/forum/the-lounge-off-topic/389628-horrible-body-shop-experience-details-inside-350z-ruined.html)

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii246/CrimsonRockett/DSCF0321.jpg

[moco]

Looking at the first pic, it looks like your rolled rear quarter panels don't let the body kit line up at the wheel well

[Seraphim38]

My suggestion, which will obviously put me in the minority;

Mold it so that the body panels match up but leave a seam so that the panels can move.

The biggest problem about fiberglass kits is that the fitment is terrible. Fix that by getting them to line up as close as possible, then use a fiberglass product like Everglass to make the transition look natural but leave a small gap for the body to move so it doesn't crack.

And yes, I haven't seen anyone else suggest this, so I may be crazy.

[juvi22003]

"Instant Gentleman STYLE" didn't give you a tip off?

haha now that u said it all makes sense, i posted here that i was looking for the kit to purchase asap with someone who has it in stock and he was the only one to response

Who takes their car to a body shop to put aero on lol

No one wants to end up like guy
HORRIBLE body shop experience - details inside. 350z ruined. - MY350Z.COM Forums (http://my350z.com/forum/the-lounge-off-topic/389628-horrible-body-shop-experience-details-inside-350z-ruined.html)

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii246/CrimsonRockett/DSCF0321.jpg

The car is getting a full paint job, color change and body work and thats why they are also doing the kit

[juvi22003]

Looking at the first pic, it looks like your rolled rear quarter panels don't let the body kit line up at the wheel well

Good eye, thanks for that suggestion

My suggestion, which will obviously put me in the minority;

Mold it so that the body panels match up but leave a seam so that the panels can move.

The biggest problem about fiberglass kits is that the fitment is terrible. Fix that by getting them to line up as close as possible, then use a fiberglass product like Everglass to make the transition look natural but leave a small gap for the body to move so it doesn't crack.

And yes, I haven't seen anyone else suggest this, so I may be crazy.

Thanks man i will visit the shop tomorrow to see whats the best way to make everything fit, flow and still look clean....

[slidesquad240]

Zip ties FTW!!

[PeaceOnesxWai]

For a person who knows how to fix up 2 good looking IS'.. how do you have no clue about body kits or even had the idea of molding a kit onto your car :down:

[aymaeid]

I don’t know how a simple question if I should mold my rear bumper or not turned into me being cheap and how much I paid for the kit. I mean really? Some of you guys are really immature and need to grow up. Buying rep or authentic will still cause fitment issues !!!

Welcome to zilvia, don’t ask stupid questions and expect intellectual responses. 99% of members here would not take their cars to body shops to have them install aero. Makes me wonder who actually built that lexus that i dont care to see.

[rwtf]

ugly kit. should have just kept it stock looking with fender overs.... smh.

[dorkidori_s13]

ok, im locking this thread. its turning to crap! OP got his answer, topic is done.