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SamsonS4

02-05-2014, 08:58 PM

Don't see this hybrid set up very often. Lets get some pics going here!:hitit:

http://distilleryimage0.s3.amazonaws.com/9254725c52f911e3a73f0e21cff7f392_8.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSobAqioK42N_CdQS8mcrdRYFI-DEFJLG8CBiY6MmdJ68nqYBukSg

http://distilleryimage4.s3.amazonaws.com/b9ee3054dfc911e1984822000a1cf771_7.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj177/Cescian/Byggebilder%20PS13%2009-10/christianorway_3.jpg

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20110122/15/arms1001/90/59/j/o0800060010998406724.jpg

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20110122/15/arms1001/19/27/j/o0800060010998406726.jpg

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20110122/15/arms1001/51/b1/j/o0800060010998413866.jpg

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20110122/15/arms1001/93/1b/j/o0800060010998406761.jpg

http://stat.ameba.jp/user_images/20110122/15/arms1001/77/52/j/o0800060010998406728.jpg

Q.Smooth127

02-06-2014, 01:26 AM

you must have been living under a rock.
cause the VE head swap has been around for YEARS.
When goin for big power, If people arent doing the o so typical LSx swapped 240, its goin for the rev happy VE head swap onto the SR RWD block. (that is if they dont elect for a 2jz or RB swap). The only reason LSx is just so popular is cause any guy in the US can just find a LS longblock in a junkyard haha. And since its a domestic, LOTS of easy parts and aftermarket parts.

I personally like the VE head swaps (no more rocker arm issues) over the other stuff just to show a 4 banger can hang wit the bigger cylinder fellas haha. If i ever got a better payin job id do a VE head swap as well lol.

brndck

02-06-2014, 01:29 AM

Ugh. I guess there is no "official" VE thread on here but they're are quite a few build threads covering this topic. I'm in the middle of my engine build right now.

rbs14kouki

02-06-2014, 09:32 AM

Here is mine !

P11 on s14 block
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/Sr20vet%20built/image-24.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/Sr20vet%20built/image-24.jpg.html)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/Sr20vet%20built/image-39.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/Sr20vet%20built/image-39.jpg.html)

rbs14kouki

02-06-2014, 09:35 AM

Double post

SamsonS4

02-06-2014, 03:43 PM

Nobody said it was new. Just isnt exactly common. Here and there yes on a webforum but not common.

SamsonS4

02-07-2014, 12:20 AM

I'd have to say the BFE motorsports SR22VET set up is butt ugly tho. That intake manifold is just really ugly looking.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j123/JDMFresh/S7300065.jpg

rbs14kouki

02-08-2014, 09:29 AM

Dave briggs fd driver sr24vet from mazworx

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/random%20cars/image-10.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/random%20cars/image-10.jpg.html)

Dream set-up
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/random%20cars/image-30.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/random%20cars/image-30.jpg.html)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/random%20cars/image-4_zps555c9a62.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/random%20cars/image-4_zps555c9a62.jpg.html)

Ramonesfreak2010

02-08-2014, 09:36 AM

Heres mine.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/963x642q90/13/qhn4.jpg

Imarvin240

02-10-2014, 01:45 AM

Mine was somehow already posted in the original post, when it had the full-race manifold, but here are a couple of mine. Touge Factory is doing a killer job!

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1/1796693_654843227887327_619039892_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1513283_10152237418236754_1727380906_n.jpg

Imarvin240

02-10-2014, 02:32 PM

Alright, well this thread is only worth having, if it at least gives some information and not just photos. This can be a thread to help people in building/sourcing parts for a VE engine. Here is a slight breakdown on my engine setup. It is still unfinished, as you can see from the photos above, but here is what it consists of so far.

Head!
Mazworx Fully Built p11 sr20ve head
CNC ported combustion chambers
Competion race 5 angle valve job
Supertech everything:
Supertech 116lb dual valve springs
Supertech Titanium retainers
Supertech valve guides
Supertech Inner valve spring seats
Supertech +1mm oversized valves.
Gasket matched and opened up exhaust ports to match intake ports
P12 cams
Greddy Adjustable Cam Gears
P12 valve cover
P12 OEm Nissan coil pack cover
P12 cam angle sencor
New OEM guides
Mazworx 1/2" headstuds

Block!
Mazworx stroked SR20 Block
CP Piston 90mm 9.0:1
CROWER I-Beam Rods
Power Enterprise 90mm head gasket with fire ring
Calico Coated ACL Bearings for Main, Rods, and Thrust Washers
ARP Main Studs
New OEM Nissan Oil Pump
Darton Ductile Iron Sleeves
New OEM Nissan SR20 Crankshaft
Nismo Pilot Roller Bearing
Oil Groove Machining
19mm Rod Bearing Machining
Check, Polish, Balance Crank
All new OEM Nissan freeze/block plugs.
ATI Damper Pulley
Mazworx Water Pump Block Off Plate
Mazworx Dry Sump Setup
Naprec Power Steering pump Bracket

Exhaust Setup!
Custom TF Works dual wastegate T4 twin scroll bottom mount exhaust manifold
Precision Turbo 5862 twin scroll ceramic ball bearing turbo
Dual Tial 38mm wastegates

Intake Setup!
Custom TF Works Intake manifold
Billet 90mm Throttle Body
Injector Dynamics 2000cc injectors (running E85 fuel)

Electronics Engine Support!
Custom TF Works Wire Harness
AEM Pencil Coils
Davies Craig Electronic water pump & controller
New OEM Quest Alternator
ProEFI Pro128 Standalone ECU

Transmission Setup!
Mazworx Z33 Transmission to SR20 Bracket
Mazworx Z33 Machined Transmission
OS Giken 6-speed Gear set
Tilton Hydraulic Release Bearing Kit
Exedy Triple Plate Clutch

If you have any questions on my setup, just ask.

The link to the build thread is: http://zilvia.net/f/builds-builds-only/420428-imarvin240-s-sr22ve-t-350z-time-attack-car-build.html

tricky_ab

02-10-2014, 05:44 PM

Is there a few definitive VE engine threads that you guys would recommend for the fundamentals?

Imarvin240

02-10-2014, 06:50 PM

Is there a few definitive VE engine threads that you guys would recommend for the fundamentals?

There are a number of good build threads that are doing VE engines, that are definitely worth taking a look at. They offer a range of different parts, styles, purposes, and budgets. I'm sure I missed a few, but here are the threads I could think of.

rbs14kouki - http://zilvia.net/f/builds-builds-only/535574-s14-kouki-sr20vet-cd009.html
Imarvin240 - http://zilvia.net/f/builds-builds-only/420428-imarvin240-s-sr22ve-t-350z-time-attack-car-build.html
CaBS - http://zilvia.net/f/builds-builds-only/447170-sxdevelopments-180sx-sxd180.html
CaBS - http://zilvia.net/f/builds-builds-only/460493-sxds15-lets-try-go-pretty-fast-n-stuff-keep-street-registered.html
blackdragon328 - http://zilvia.net/f/builds-builds-only/431001-ca-s14-zenki-vvl-super-build.html
jr_ss - http://zilvia.net/f/builds-builds-only/453229-my-sr20vet.html
Lockiess - http://zilvia.net/f/builds-builds-only/532438-s15-spec-r-vvl-kicked-yo.html
R4Race - http://zilvia.net/f/builds-builds-only/367161-s15-mazworx-sr23vet.html

titopr06

02-10-2014, 07:05 PM

build thread for the owner of taarks
who also sells the conversion parts
lots of good info
Taarks SR20VET 518.3hp Project - See last page for updates - Hardtuned.net (http://hardtuned.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=343895&st=0)

bunch of different vvl set ups from australia and good info
SR20V SR16VE SR20VE ROLL CALL - Hardtuned.net (http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=372528&st=0)

mewantkouki

02-10-2014, 07:08 PM

Mine is still in pieces. :/ Yes that's a P12 head.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/ooberplex/F3651ECA-4624-4DC8-AC0E-8612AB48241A.jpg (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/ooberplex/media/F3651ECA-4624-4DC8-AC0E-8612AB48241A.jpg.html)

SamsonS4

02-10-2014, 07:25 PM

nice value cover

Q.Smooth127

02-10-2014, 11:00 PM

yup. Dat p12 valve covers are Le Sex.

imarvin i see you got tomei solid lifters on that VE head swap. I thought the sole purpose wit doin the VE head swap was for no longer needing to worry about rocker arm issues and the obvious fact that VE heads flow even more better. So without those rocker issues, cant you rev the shit outta of those VE heads already even wit their stock lifters?
Or are they just to make it further boss haha?

thanks for all the nice links to the builds guys.
got me some nice reading material as i eat this sammwichhh

Imarvin240

02-11-2014, 12:16 AM

mewantkouki

02-11-2014, 09:44 AM

It isn't just the valve cover. lmao Look at the intake ports, you'll see it isn't a P11 head. Does anyone know where I can get valve springs for a P12 head? They are completely different. :/

Imarvin240

02-11-2014, 11:14 AM

It isn't just the valve cover. lmao Look at the intake ports, you'll see it isn't a P11 head. Does anyone know where I can get valve springs for a P12 head? They are completely different. :/

I would talk to Mazworx or Raw Brokerage. I'm pretty sure Mazworx uses a P12 head on their drag S15.

Yellow4g63

02-11-2014, 04:15 PM

P12 valve springs are pretty hard to come by. I know a guy had some made but I think he sold all 12 sets he had made. You can add the inner spring from the P11 into the stock P12 spring to help.

Matej

02-11-2014, 05:07 PM

As far as OEM springs, the P12 single springs are actually stiffer than the P11 dual setup, if I recall correctly.
It is also possible to convert to the P11 dual setup, as long as one uses the all the valve parts from the P11 head.
I am in the middle of installing springs and retainers in my VE right now. :)

I dread the day when the 20V plug cover will get scratched. Does anyone know a color match for the red lettering?

PerilousActs

02-16-2014, 03:04 PM

Where is everyone sourcing their P12 heads at? I've seen very few places with them.

simmode1

02-16-2014, 03:35 PM

Imarvin240

02-16-2014, 10:48 PM

Where is everyone sourcing their P12 heads at? I've seen very few places with them.

Talk to Mazworx or Raw Brokerage. Those would probably be your best bet.

Thanks for starting this thread. I keep seeing ppl mention VET builds, but I never knew where to start looking for info. Now I got some reading to do!Forgive my ignorance, guys... But I just wiki'd the SR20VET to compare it to the DET and I have a question:Wiki rated the VET at 276hp using the GT2560rs... Is that the same turbo we commomly refer to as the shitty little T25 with the 14psi limit?! If so, at what stock psi does that motor run to achieve that 276hp? I'm guessing a VET setup with an S15 GT2860RS is how all the JDM tuners in the Hot Version videos are hitting like claims of 380hp for what they call 'fairly cheap while using OEM parts'. I always thought they were bullshitting...

Nah, that's a different turbo then the factory S13 sr20det turbo. Besides that, doing a VE conversion isn't really a fairly cheap way to make power. Just the items to do the conversion will cost you thousands. The same amount of money into a det engine will more then likely get you 380hp+, but standard det engine will never be as strong or capable of making more power then the VE head. The VE head offers TONS of benifits (larger ports, larger valves, roller rockers, variable valve lift and timing, ect.), with only one negative...cost. Basically, the VE head is the best choice, if you have the money/time.

rbs14kouki

02-17-2014, 07:04 AM

I would talk to Mazworx or Raw Brokerage. I'm pretty sure Mazworx uses a P12 head on their drag S15.

Im pretty sure mazworx use a p11

Stock for stock p12 flow better but p11 have more potential when ported (that was from an othee thread !

autotechmotoring

02-17-2014, 07:42 AM

venom2034

02-17-2014, 07:57 AM

ive always wanted to do this but get psyched out when I read whats involved in doing it.

CaBS

02-17-2014, 08:02 AM

Here is mine, getting there slowly!

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/mutto_101/mutto_101012/IMG_1564_zps7f37a199.jpg~original (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/mutto_101/media/mutto_101012/IMG_1564_zps7f37a199.jpg.html)

rbs14kouki

02-17-2014, 09:37 AM

Cant wait to see result with the new hypertune bottom mount manifold

Even Under Suzuki will run it on is s15

silnv

02-17-2014, 09:38 AM

Subscribing. I may look into this more in the future.

Quick question though... Do you need a S14 or S13 RWD block? Or, does it matter? I have a stroker s13 block that I have not been able to sell, so I was thinking about using it for this swap one day, but didn't know if it would work.

rbs14kouki

02-17-2014, 09:50 AM

Most available aftermarket performance parts are only available for the P11 heads. The P12 heads uses different valve springs, retainers, guides, seals, valves etc. The exhaust ports are exactly the same on both P11 and P12 vs the intake is slightly different in port dimensions and bolt on locations.

The main difference that would make the P12 head "flow" better is that it uses a smaller diameter valve stem 5.5mm vs most SR's that use 6mm.

I didnt know you were on the forum !?! I know someone that upgraded to 6mm stem on is p12 and use p11 valve spring by machining the spring seat

Give a look to autotech motoring guys , they make killer parts for our engines !

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/Sr20vet%20built/image-45.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/Sr20vet%20built/image-45.jpg.html)

simmode1

02-17-2014, 09:51 AM

ive always wanted to do this but get psyched out when I read whats involved in doing it.

Ditto. I got amped up when I just now learned about it. I thought I knew just about everything you could do to an SR and was excited to learn something new. But it looks like way more work & money than I'd need to spend for my meager goals. I'd be interested in doing the VET swap & pairing it with a S15 turbo. But it sounds like this is waaaay too cost prohibitive to handcuff it with an S15 snail. Guess I got kinda excited to find out how the few S-Chassis on Hot Version videos probably achieved their level of performance on OEM components. I think I'll just stick with the typical GT2871r or EFR6258 build unless I start balling out like the rest of you guys doing this swap.

rbs14kouki

02-17-2014, 09:54 AM

I have a s14 block for my ve conversion ! Lets just say its easier with a s13

I had to plug my vtc oil feed at the front of the engine ! And drill a hole in the front of the block for my oil pump cassing bolt !!!

You still need to plug the rear drain hole because its not covered completly on s13 / s14 / s15 engine

rbs14kouki

02-17-2014, 10:05 AM

SamsonS4

02-21-2014, 12:21 AM

whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

neo

Yellow4g63

02-21-2014, 03:01 AM

Thanks for starting this thread. I keep seeing ppl mention VET builds, but I never knew where to start looking for info. Now I got some reading to do!Forgive my ignorance, guys... But I just wiki'd the SR20VET to compare it to the DET and I have a question:Wiki rated the VET at 276hp using the GT2560rs... Is that the same turbo we commomly refer to as the shitty little T25 with the 14psi limit?! If so, at what stock psi does that motor run to achieve that 276hp? I'm guessing a VET setup with an S15 GT2860RS is how all the JDM tuners in the Hot Version videos are hitting like claims of 380hp for what they call 'fairly cheap while using OEM parts'. I always thought they were bullshitting...

They have a OEM SR20VET that is AWD, It only uses VVL on the intake cam. The Exhaust cam doesn't kick like the non turbo SR20VE P11 and P12 SR20VE. The SR20VET head is the same as the SR20VE P12 head you just need exhaust rockers from a N/A VE to make the conversion. The cams are also milder on the SR20VET. Confused yet lol?

mewantkouki

02-25-2014, 08:30 AM

autotechmotoring

02-25-2014, 09:45 AM

What exactly is the point of running a ve head with gigantic cams without using the VVL? lol Car will be a complete slug down low.

Eliminating the VVL will be mainly used for non-street cars. VVL requires oil pressure for activation and by eliminating it generally increases oil pressure. It also lightnens up the valvetrain slightly. Most race cars are operating at higher rpm ranges anyways so the more aggressive main cam lobs are being used at all times.

rbs14kouki

02-25-2014, 10:05 AM

This is a sr24vet with the vvl killer mod

Around 700whp

Gtx3582r
Fullrace mani
Gforce gsr transmission
C16 race fuel
(No NOS in those pull)

http://youtu.be/Mom7xkCVcto

http://youtu.be/Gl4Tn4AnQMw

rbs14kouki

02-25-2014, 10:11 AM

Eliminating the VVL will be mainly used for non-street cars. VVL requires oil pressure for activation and by eliminating it generally increases oil pressure. It also lightnens up the valvetrain slightly. Most race cars are operating at higher rpm ranges anyways so the more aggressive main cam lobs are being used at all times.

+ to have intake port way bigger vs a det engine will help too

simmode1

02-25-2014, 10:54 AM

They have a OEM SR20VET that is AWD, It only uses VVL on the intake cam. The Exhaust cam doesn't kick like the non turbo SR20VE P11 and P12 SR20VE. The SR20VET head is the same as the SR20VE P12 head you just need exhaust rockers from a N/A VE to make the conversion. The cams are also milder on the SR20VET. Confused yet lol?

Yes. Thoroughly. So you use the OEM N/A VE cams and exhaust rockers in the VET head so that you'll have VVL on both the intake & exhaust side? I'm still trying to determine if this is worth my time & effort since I have pretty mild goals. I need to see some video or dyno breakdowns to see what are the real world merits of this. Like, if someone did what you described above & used a stock DET turbo like a T25 or T28, what would the gains be? What would this VET conversion yield with a GT2871r or EFR 6258 versus a DET head? Trying to compare & contrast...

jr_ss

02-25-2014, 11:44 AM

I'll post the dyno later, but back when these swaps weren't main stream, there was a guy with a blue hatch that had a DET making just under 400whp on a GT3076R. Mazworx did the VET conversion for him. With just the head swap and other necessary components( intake manifold, injectors, throttle body, tune) he made 491whp at 18-19psi. This was with the same stock bottomend and exhaust components. So in other words, the swap gave him almost 100hp. Obviously you aren't going to see results like that with a t25/28 but better/higher flowing turbos will compliment this head much better. If you're looking for high hp or a very responsive 450hp, this is what you want/need. The DET flows like shit plain and simple.

simmode1

02-25-2014, 02:15 PM

Yellow4g63

02-25-2014, 04:35 PM

Yes. Thoroughly. So you use the OEM N/A VE cams and exhaust rockers in the VET head so that you'll have VVL on both the intake & exhaust side? I'm still trying to determine if this is worth my time & effort since I have pretty mild goals. I need to see some video or dyno breakdowns to see what are the real world merits of this. Like, if someone did what you described above & used a stock DET turbo like a T25 or T28, what would the gains be? What would this VET conversion yield with a GT2871r or EFR 6258 versus a DET head? Trying to compare & contrast...

Easiest thing would be to get the P11 SR20VE head. way more of them around than the 20V and VET head.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c9/240sx_god/MikeDyno-June182012.jpg

GT2868 on E85 rwd VE+T.

jr_ss

02-25-2014, 06:22 PM

^^^Ooo wee... Thats the kind of testimonials I'm looking for. Thanks.

So let me ask: VET head with VE cams/exhaust rockers on stock DET block bolted up with an S15 GT2860r @ 14psi... 350whp sound realistic? Waste of time? What other factors should I consider?

Here is the plot, green is DET, red VET. This was done on an internally stock DET bottom end and VE head.

http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt352/jr_ss/image_zps96c2d27e.jpg

Here is the same guy/setup that Yellow4g63 posted but on C16, but his setup is far from stock.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c9/240sx_god/Mike-May062012Dyno-01.jpg

"The Spec:

BLOCK:
SR20det Block 87mm bore stock sleeves
CP pistons for 9:1 SR20DE(T)
Eagle Rods.
ARP Mains, rods, Head
Calico coated ACL "race" bearings. (STD +.0002 oil clearance)
P11 SR20VE timing cover/oil pump
Cosworth 1.1mm headgasket.

HEAD:
P11 SR20VE head, (decked 1mm for 10.5:1)
P11 SR20ve Stock Cams (advanced 2.5 Degrees to make up for Decking)
SuperTECH Valve springs (the lighter of the 2 HD sets for VE)
SKULLWORKS VE Conversion Packeage. (now with stuff AND things)
Cut and flipped Stock P11 Intake manifold.

HoT StUfF:
Repurposed Megan manifold for EXT WG and V-band outlet
Forced Performance HTA 2868 turbo,
TiAl V-band Turbine Housing,
TiAl MV-R wasting Gate (might be MV-S actually...)
V-band 3" downpipe and integrated WG return (no screamer pipes here ladies)

Cold Stuff:
Blitz big by large FMIC
custom Ghetto Compton intercooler piping,
Greddy BOV (it works no F7Cks given)
Stock SR20VE ~70mm TB
1000cc RC injectors

Whiz Bang Stuff:
AEM EMS series 2
S15 Stock Coils,
Sensors and stuff,
serial gauge,
Oil pressure gauge"

Matej

02-25-2014, 07:20 PM

So let me ask: VET head with VE cams/exhaust rockers on stock DET block bolted up with an S15 GT2860r @ 14psi... 350whp sound realistic? Waste of time? What other factors should I consider?
You could try messing around with the stock X-Trail turbo. It can still be bought new from around the world for pretty cheap. :)

http://www.floridasr20s.com/gallery/albums/album64/DSC04233.jpg

SamsonS4

02-25-2014, 08:52 PM

^^^Ooo wee... Thats the kind of testimonials I'm looking for. Thanks.

So let me ask: VET head with VE cams/exhaust rockers on stock DET block bolted up with an S15 GT2860r @ 14psi... 350whp sound realistic? Waste of time? What other factors should I consider?

I'm no expect but why not go a larger turbo then s15 if you are going to do the VE swap? VE gives great response so even if you go larger it's not as laggy as a det head?

simmode1

02-26-2014, 09:05 AM

I'm no expect but why not go a larger turbo then s15 if you are going to do the VE swap? VE gives great response so even if you go larger it's not as laggy as a det head?

Personally, I have not driven in an S-Chassis with more than 300whp. I'm a little hesitant to step up to the 450hp level because I worry about driveability & lack of traction on the street at that point. I think 350hp is more than enough to have fun with and get me into trouble. I'll probably just stick with a turbo upgrade on the DET head. VET seems like the SR big leagues and I'm just a small fry. I try to be realistic about my limits.

autotechmotoring

02-26-2014, 09:15 AM

I'm no expect but why not go a larger turbo then s15 if you are going to do the VE swap? VE gives great response so even if you go larger it's not as laggy as a det head?

Realistically you can but with virtually any turbo setup you use with the VE head will out gain anything you try and do with a DET head. The VE head stock outflows any ported/worked DET head. The increase in intake port size, combustion chamber design and factory head characteristics will help the turbo work alot more efficiently and lower/mid rpm range.

The only downfall in the stock VE head is the exhaust guides and valves and the head was not made for extreme heat from a turbo setup. The VET 20V head is a good option but you are not going to find a cylinder head setup by itself rarely and the full longblocks are still going in the 2K range vs you can by a complete VE P11 longblock for around 800

SamsonS4

02-27-2014, 12:00 AM

Realistically you can but with virtually any turbo setup you use with the VE head will out gain anything you try and do with a DET head. The VE head stock outflows any ported/worked DET head. The increase in intake port size, combustion chamber design and factory head characteristics will help the turbo work alot more efficiently and lower/mid rpm range.

The only downfall in the stock VE head is the exhaust guides and valves and the head was not made for extreme heat from a turbo setup. The VET 20V head is a good option but you are not going to find a cylinder head setup by itself rarely and the full longblocks are still going in the 2K range vs you can by a complete VE P11 longblock for around 800

I'm not good with turbo sizing but how would a vet set up act with a gtr-s set up? I had one on my old set up w/ s14 SR20DET and netted 350HP

CaBS

02-27-2014, 07:34 AM

I'm not good with turbo sizing but how would a vet set up act with a gtr-s set up? I had one on my old set up w/ s14 SR20DET and netted 350HP

A GTR-S will be way to small for a VET head conversion, they're not even that great on a normal DET head.

xilovelsdx

02-27-2014, 10:55 AM

I wish there was a definitive how to thread for what is involved in one of these swaps.

mewantkouki

02-27-2014, 11:07 AM

CaBS

03-02-2014, 06:41 AM

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/mutto_101/mutto_101012/zorst/IMG_1580_zpsee882bc7.jpg~original

This is Hypertunes new 347 stainless manifold. One of the better VE manifolds going around! :)

rbs14kouki

03-02-2014, 11:27 AM

My buddy Dave Briggs runs vvl killer cam on is sr24vet

Most of my built idea is from looking at this motor

I then looked at the motoiq built (sr15vet land speed record) and i saw that i didnt do what those guys did !

With the vvl killer mod you dont use oil pressure to switch from low to high lobe ! And i guess with no oil going to that vvl relocation kit in the back you dont have to plug that port under the head !

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/Sr20vet%20built/image-47.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/Sr20vet%20built/image-47.jpg.html)

My question can i plug it of from the back (by removing the vvl relocation and pluging the port because everything is instaled on my engine

Ok so i talked to the guys at mazworx ! There vvl relocation covers that oil port and we dont need to plug from under the head it like the guys did at motoIQ on there p12 !!!

**** this is with a mazworx plate i dont know if its the same with taarks , autotech motoring , xcessive , ......

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/mutto_101/mutto_101012/zorst/IMG_1580_zpsee882bc7.jpg~original

This is Hypertunes new 347 stainless manifold. One of the better VE manifolds going around! :)

If i didnt all ready had a DOC Race manifold that is prety awesome !! I would go with that hypertune low mount manifold

Electric power steering ???

rbs14kouki

03-02-2014, 11:40 AM

Almost done with my engine ! Waiting on my bellhousing to come back from the machinist !!!!

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/Sr20vet%20built/image-48.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/Sr20vet%20built/image-48.jpg.html)

SamsonS4

03-02-2014, 10:59 PM

read some guy was why do a 2.2 if it lowered your rpm range if the whole idea of vet is for high revving

rbs14kouki

03-03-2014, 06:37 AM

2.2 by bore (90mm) will not affect the rev ! A stroker kit can restrict abot more

We still get in the 8500 to 9000 with our 2.4

hobbs

03-03-2014, 07:06 AM

Found this floating around the web, S14/S15 lowport manifold with a chopped/welded VE flange.

http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz265/eskhobbs/o0800060010998406724_zps6004c5ed.jpg

rbs14kouki

03-03-2014, 07:13 AM

Its a billet lower section with a greddy s14 intake !

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=401137

hobbs

03-03-2014, 11:42 AM

Oh woah, that is fucking awesome!

krysknowles

03-03-2014, 01:02 PM

My Old Motor...Miss it a lot :-(
http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq106/krysknowles/59076_10150246641620261_237595_n.jpg (http://s438.photobucket.com/user/krysknowles/media/59076_10150246641620261_237595_n.jpg.html)

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq106/krysknowles/338676_10151938758485261_846586257_o.jpg (http://s438.photobucket.com/user/krysknowles/media/338676_10151938758485261_846586257_o.jpg.html)

SamsonS4

03-03-2014, 01:08 PM

Its a billet lower section with a greddy s14 intake !

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=401137

pretty cool but the hyper tune manifold is best!

http://www.brewedmotorsports.com/assets/products/Hypertune/sr20_hypertune_intake_manifold_with_throttle_body. jpg

hobbs

03-03-2014, 01:12 PM

pretty cool but the hyper tune manifold is best!

http://www.brewedmotorsports.com/assets/products/Hypertune/sr20_hypertune_intake_manifold_with_throttle_body. jpg

Shame the intake runners are so short, I was really considering hacking up a S14 manifold for use on a VE.

SamsonS4

03-03-2014, 01:28 PM

i posted the wrong one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/str8e180/429460_10150614408593081_502973080_9143306_1636922 448_n.jpg

slideways2004

03-03-2014, 06:47 PM

^ serious..?

1. P11 or P12 head
2. VVL relocation plates if you have a p11 head. (solenoid is larger)
3. Sr20ve oil pump
4. Pistons with valve reliefs if you plan on running anything larger than p11 cams
5. 20V cas (won't clear s14 lhd firewall)
6. Hall sensor kit if you opt not to use 20v cas
7. fwd sr20de or any other aftermarket sr20 cam gears.
8. sr20ve oil pump drive gear or mazworx spacer
9. machined stock pulley
10. plug oil drain port on block
11. plug oil drain port on head
12. Drill and tap oil feed for vvl solenoid. (side of head)
13. Oil feed line to vvl
14. Oval bolt holes on sr20det manifold of choice or build one with ve flange
15. Mazworx oil pickup tube
16. Mazworx or taarks water pipe
17. aem / denso pencil coils for p11 or s15 coil packs for p12 head
18. Head gasket of choice
19. Cut / flip stock upper intake manifold or xcessive, hypertune, mazworx plenum (xcessive / hypertune are the only options right now for p12 heads)

Pretty sure that's about it.

This is a great list, but how come no one talks about ecu choices??

If you are using a 20v CAS, can you not use the stock ecu the sr20ve came with and get it rom tuned?? I personally prefer not to run standalones b/c of price and mainly b/c there are no good tuners here in town. They all want to make max power and can't setup a reliable tune

Also, this is great! S14 intake manifold bolts right up to this it looks like

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=401137

Yellow4g63

03-03-2014, 10:09 PM

This is a great list, but how come no one talks about ecu choices??

If you are using a 20v CAS, can you not use the stock ecu the sr20ve came with and get it rom tuned?? I personally prefer not to run standalones b/c of price and mainly b/c there are no good tuners here in town. They all want to make max power and can't setup a reliable tune

Also, this is great! S14 intake manifold bolts right up to this it looks like

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=401137

That's a custom billet job. The VVL intake ports are bigger than the S14's.

rbs14kouki

03-04-2014, 01:03 AM

Shame the intake runners are so short, I was really considering hacking up a S14 manifold for use on a VE.

2500$ us for an intake / throttle body and fuel rail is way to much for my budget !!!! If i could i would dont worry

SamsonS4

03-04-2014, 01:33 AM

2500$ us for an intake / throttle body and fuel rail is way to much for my budget !!!! If i could i would dont worry
what's another 2500 when vet setup is already a big baller set up:l101:

SamsonS4

03-04-2014, 01:39 AM

All fun and games aside as you are already aware of to build a proper vet setup is some big money and down time.

Def not a set up if budget minded is your game but no expense spared maximum power and response is your game. I read about in aussie land there was a event there was a rb28 tomei powered car and a sr22vet s15 going at it and the vet set up out performed the r28. Very impresive.

simmode1

03-04-2014, 09:45 AM

All fun and games aside as you are already aware of to build a proper vet setup is some big money and down time. Def not a set up if budget minded is your game but no expense spared maximum power and response is your game. Yeah, I think that's why I probably won't do this. I love everything I've read about the VET swap, but ontop of the cost of doing it, I feel like you'd also need to totally revise your drivetrain & suspension to put all this power/response to the ground, even further increasing costs. Definitely not the route to go for someone like me looking for a simple & mild low 300hp range 240. VET is big boy stuff. But if I hit that point when 300hp+ is no longer enough for me... VET, here I come.

rbs14kouki

03-04-2014, 10:15 AM

You can upgrade to vet for reliability too !

I started from scratch with this sr20vet

Sold my racecar that had a ls1 with g-force gsr too buy my house and stsrted this project on the side

A 400 to 500whp sr wont need all that much $$$

PJ's (fastest s13 with a h-patern transmission and street legal tire) makes 900whp with an xcessive intake that cost 300$ compare too all the other option that are close to 1000$ and up !!!

My friend has 425 whp

sr20vet:
Precision 5830
Topmount manifold
Stock head + dual valve springs upgrade
S15 transmission with exedy super single
Nothing to special

And he drives the car every day to work (he will upgrade the transmission when it brakes)

Personnaly I would not built a vet to run a t28 and have 300whp

Drift_FX

03-04-2014, 10:36 AM

almost done.....
https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/p526x296/1899999_3934756942849_1343763908_n.jpg

s13silvia123

03-04-2014, 10:39 AM

jr_ss

03-04-2014, 10:43 AM

You can use your S13 harness for all the necessary sensors. You'll need to run an RPM switch to control the solenoids.

As for EMS, Nistune or ROM tuning can be utilized.

Drift_FX

03-04-2014, 10:45 AM

I notice that everyone talks about the parts needed to make the conversion to reality, but what do everyone use as the engine harness?

Is there anyone other plugs on the wiring harness to run the head which is different if at all different from the SR20? Will the standalone PFC work with the head?

I've been making decisions for the last year and half if I should go this route if I'm not hitting my goals just with my SR. I'm looking at what would work to make to a reality if I don't have to much to work with.

im doing a completely custom harness, but the majority of the harness is unchanged when switching to this head, you just need to modify it to accept the different coils and ignition box.

autotechmotoring

03-05-2014, 07:28 AM

I notice that everyone talks about the parts needed to make the conversion to reality, but what do everyone use as the engine harness?

Is there anyone other plugs on the wiring harness to run the head which is different if at all different from the SR20? Will the standalone PFC work with the head?

To make the VVL work, will a multi-switch need to be installed to turn it on or off?

I've been making decisions for the last year and half if I should go this route if I'm not hitting my goals just with my SR. I'm looking at what would work to make to a reality if I don't have to much to work with.

What are the options for this?

Existing engine harness stays the same. A tuneable ecu is a plus. You can use a MSD 8969 to activate the VVL and just wire in the solenoids to the unit.

Another plus that alot have not mentioned is that the VVL head uses solid shaft mounted rockers vs. free floating rockers in the std DET head. The chances of breaking rockers with the VVL head is 0 to none.

Imarvin240

03-05-2014, 03:43 PM

Existing engine harness stays the same. A tuneable ecu is a plus. You can use a MSD 8969 to activate the VVL and just wire in the solenoids to the unit.

Another plus that alot have not mentioned is that the VVL head uses solid shaft mounted rockers vs. free floating rockers in the std DET head. The chances of breaking rockers with the VVL head is 0 to none.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SUyk6NUk8Us/UZ3rgCqyFyI/AAAAAAAAMAw/mdTK2WsDALI/s1600/theres-a-chance.gif

slideways2004

03-05-2014, 07:24 PM

You can use your S13 harness for all the necessary sensors. You'll need to run an RPM switch to control the solenoids.

As for EMS, Nistune or ROM tuning can be utilized.

The sr20ve stock ecu plugs into S13 redtop/blacktop ecu plug?

jr_ss

03-05-2014, 07:42 PM

No, you use the DET ECU with a ROM tune or Nistune...

You'll be running the DET harness and ECU, but have it tuned for your setup.

Yellow4g63

03-05-2014, 09:04 PM

S13 ecu run the Nismotonic daughter board. It will kick the VVL for you if you use one of the outputs on the board and run a map sensor and 20X20 tables.

Ramonesfreak2010

03-06-2014, 08:39 AM

Decided to mock up the head and manifold on the block for some extra motivation. Been a slow build since I am paying for this semester of college at the moment.
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r192/ramonesfreak2010/image3_zps98326f65.jpeg (http://s144.photobucket.com/user/ramonesfreak2010/media/image3_zps98326f65.jpeg.html)

slideways2004

03-06-2014, 08:42 PM

No, you use the DET ECU with a ROM tune or Nistune...

You'll be running the DET harness and ECU, but have it tuned for your setup.

Thanks for your help!

All of a sudden it doesn't look that complicated anymore. lol

p11 head, here I come.

autotechmotoring

03-07-2014, 08:27 AM

Thanks for your help!

All of a sudden it doesn't look that complicated anymore. lol

p11 head, here I come.

Nope it honestly isnt. Other than wiring in the new Denso or equivalent coils and your VVL solenoids, its pretty much a straight forward swap over.

s13silvia123

03-07-2014, 10:15 AM

For the turbo manifold or exhaust manifold, would you have to notch the existing bolt holes to accomodate with the VET head? Does the exhaust ports match with the DET turbo manifolds?

Reason for the turbo manifold is because I don't want to buy another manifold since I am using the PowerLab twin scroll.

jr_ss

03-07-2014, 10:20 AM

Exhaust ports share the same centerlines, you just need to lift the manifold up roughly .125". So oblonging the holes is a must if you have a DET manifold. The ports are higher in the head because of the coolant passages and different chamber and valve angles.

autotechmotoring

03-07-2014, 11:07 AM

Or there are several manifold options out there already that can accomodate both DET and VE setups

jr_ss

03-07-2014, 11:15 AM

Or there are several manifold options out there already that can accomodate both DET and VE setups

He doesn't want to purchase a new manifold.

GroundPerformance

03-07-2014, 11:29 AM

You should really need to spend much on manifolds or relocation blocks to convert to VVL if your not planning to go on monster build. I'm actually doing this now and I will share it with Zilvia on the Builds thread. Just waiting for Admin approval.

Ramonesfreak2010

03-07-2014, 08:55 PM

Is using a MSD RPM activated switch necessary? Or is it only if you are using a ROM tune? I am planning to use Haltech.

Yellow4g63

03-07-2014, 10:18 PM

Is using a MSD RPM activated switch necessary? Or is it only if you are using a ROM tune? I am planning to use Haltech.

http://www.nismotronic.com/ s13 ecu yes, s14 no.

GroundPerformance

03-08-2014, 12:27 AM

Is using a MSD RPM activated switch necessary? Or is it only if you are using a ROM tune? I am planning to use Haltech.

RPM switch is only when running non VTC ECU S13 SR20 and others. S14/S15 ecu has a built-in switch that can be used to trigger the VVL. Your basically using what used to trigger the VTC solenoid to now the VVL solenoid. There are exception for S13 KA/SR ECU who choose to go Nismotronic it's custom firmware allow provisions for several input and output that can be used for VVL activation and others.

Overall since your going with Haltech which should have onboard RPM switching capabilities you wouldn't need an separate RPM switch.

Ramonesfreak2010

03-08-2014, 06:38 AM

Thanks guys.

jr_ss

03-08-2014, 08:05 AM

To add to what Ground is saying, the S14/15 ECU only has one switch output/input on the ECU so you're stuck switching both cams at the same time. Now that isn't a huge disadvantage, but to get the most out of the system on a P11 head, you'd want to switch cams at separate times. The P12 head used one solenoid to switch both cams at the same time, but their cams have a completely different profile than the P11's.

Haltech has the ability to switch both cams separate from each other. I'm running a Ps2000 on my setup and plan to find the best combination for the switch point.

blo0d

03-09-2014, 06:01 PM

Not as fancy as the others.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n131/zion2999/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG-20121112-00287_zps22c13efb.jpg (http://s111.photobucket.com/user/zion2999/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG-20121112-00287_zps22c13efb.jpg.html)

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n131/zion2999/IMG-20121023-00208_zpsc77bf18d.jpg (http://s111.photobucket.com/user/zion2999/media/IMG-20121023-00208_zpsc77bf18d.jpg.html)

GroundPerformance

03-09-2014, 09:52 PM

^^ Very nice! I was initially going exactly this route with an HX40 and Xcessive intake manifold. But decided to keep it nice simple and clean. So I stayed bottom Mount. Nothing fancy myself. Below is the preview for whats to come for my VET build..

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-JRfDefuzmYE/Ux02vh49T8I/AAAAAAAAAbE/7FqBacJVjkQ/w1357-h893-no/sr20vet-PRE.JPG

Imarvin240

03-09-2014, 10:09 PM

the first picture...is that a compound turbo setup?

GroundPerformance

03-09-2014, 10:59 PM

the first picture...is that a compound turbo setup?
No sir.. I was just mocking things debating to go top mount or bottom. For now ive decided to stay bottom to expedite build by reusing available parts and focus more on head and bottom end parts. I could easily upgrade later should I wanted more. Target goal with 20g bottom mount and high compression motor is at around 400-500whp running e85.

Imarvin240

03-10-2014, 02:51 AM

No sir.. I was just mocking things debating to go top mount or bottom. For now ive decided to stay bottom to expedite build by reusing available parts and focus more on head and bottom end parts. I could easily upgrade later should I wanted more. Target goal with 20g bottom mount and high compression motor is at around 400-500whp running e85.

hah damn, would have been an interesting setup if it was. I'm also running E85 on my VVL and should be low 700whp on a bottom mount Precision 5862.

Yellow4g63

03-10-2014, 04:16 AM

If for any reason you guys use the OEM throttle body from the P11 motors make sure to take out the butter fly screws and put lock tight on them.

autotechmotoring

03-10-2014, 08:09 AM

hah damn, would have been an interesting setup if it was. I'm also running E85 on my VVL and should be low 700whp on a bottom mount Precision 5862.

I think I remember you. Arent you doing your setup in a 350z?

Imarvin240

03-10-2014, 09:07 PM

I think I remember you. Arent you doing your setup in a 350z?

Yes, Sir. probably around the end of this year it'll be getting finished up hah

autotechmotoring

03-11-2014, 08:00 AM

Yes, Sir. probably around the end of this year it'll be getting finished up hah

Cool man. Yea I helped you setup your engine and the dry sump kit at my previous place of employment :0

Ramonesfreak2010

03-13-2014, 04:59 PM

I feel like there is a TON of info scattered all over the internet about this swap. I'm talking about specs in the FSM. I joined multiple forums and clicked sketchy links on sites like rapidshare, etc. lol

I have uploaded what I found, and I also have the P11 SR20VE FSM in a PDF. Unfortunately, it is not translated and looked like someone had scanned it at home. If you want it, just send me a PM with your email.

Anyway, here are some things I have found. May not help some guys out, but it did for me when I was looking for specs for valve clearances.

http://s144.photobucket.com/user/ramonesfreak2010/library/SR20VE%20FSM%20Info

For example,
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r192/ramonesfreak2010/SR20VE%20FSM%20Info/SR20VESpecs2_zps662187b3.jpg (http://s144.photobucket.com/user/ramonesfreak2010/media/SR20VE%20FSM%20Info/SR20VESpecs2_zps662187b3.jpg.html)

Imarvin240

03-15-2014, 05:32 PM

Cool man. Yea I helped you setup your engine and the dry sump kit at my previous place of employment :0

Well then thank you for helping out with the build, Sir!

TEALSQUEAL

03-17-2014, 10:56 AM

slideways2004

03-18-2014, 06:31 PM

Question about rom tune: Currently have enthalpy. I know the major changes in a rom tune are injectors and maf.

With the VE head having such a different cam profile and duration, should we get the ecu retuned? If yes, then will he be able to figure out when the cam changes or is the maf enough to compensate?

rbs14kouki

03-18-2014, 09:04 PM

Yes retune for sure ! Enthalply knows how to tune the vvl just call them

I saw a couple videos from cars they tuned and its rom tune

rbs14kouki

03-18-2014, 09:09 PM

This is my setup. You have to trim the inside of the p11 valve cover to clear the taarks Hall effect pickup. I'm running an Autronic sm2 for my EMS. The taarks setup is designed for the haltech EMS's. I am having a custom plenum made currently for much setup. I'll post pics and the builder after I get it and see the quality.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/775B9231-D1DF-44C7-ABAB-0FE8CB791231_zpsocq849z9.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/775B9231-D1DF-44C7-ABAB-0FE8CB791231_zpsocq849z9.jpg.html)

I had to shave my p12 cover to for the hall sensor wheel on my cam gear to clear the inside . I love the fac that you just had to pop a frost plug off to instal that hall sensor not like my mazworx that needed machining

Whats that turbo size ? Power goal ? Looking good

jr_ss

03-18-2014, 09:32 PM

Looks good Dave, thanks for your help on NRR.

Latest and greatest.

http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt352/jr_ss/image_zps4b8f70b4.jpg

TEALSQUEAL

03-19-2014, 03:08 AM

Sure thing Jr. Also you may wanna add a secondary check valve to your valve cover breather on the left side. Under boost that one could easily push some boost into your engines breather system.

I do love the taarks Hall effect setup. I do know that the sensor they use is sometimes dodgy, but it's a cheap one to have an extra sitting around.

Also the turbo I have is a Borg Warner S360sx with a t4 .82 common tangential exhaust housing. My goal is 500whp. The bottom end has pistons and rods with a full refresh. The manifold I bought second hand and it needed a spacer to move the turbo away from the head, but for $150 it's hard to beats.

rbs14kouki

03-19-2014, 11:36 AM

Jr. why you decided to keep the pcv valve ? I wanted to put a catch can fitting from there

TEALSQUEAL

03-19-2014, 12:00 PM

It would be smart to put a catch can in between and draw a vacuum on it with a secondary check valve.

jr_ss

03-19-2014, 12:12 PM

No particular reason why I left it. It was there, it works from the factory, why not reinstall it? However, Dave made a good point that I could potentially pressurize my crankcase through the small check valve there, so I may eliminate it altogether.

As it sits, I'm pulling some serious vacuum on the CC with my catch-can setup. I need to put a gauge on it to see just how much vacuum, as I don't want an extreme amount. I'm looking for 5-7in/hg or so.

TEALSQUEAL

03-22-2014, 03:02 PM

Teaser pic of the work that the guy is doing with a custom plenum.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/ED125583-A0D3-40CC-A990-040353639B2D_zpsknootwo0.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/ED125583-A0D3-40CC-A990-040353639B2D_zpsknootwo0.jpg.html)

Yellow4g63

03-22-2014, 08:02 PM

Mehhh Xcessive looks way better than that. and it's a bolt on.

TEALSQUEAL

03-23-2014, 09:27 AM

Matej

03-23-2014, 01:21 PM

Is using a MSD RPM activated switch necessary? Or is it only if you are using a ROM tune? I am planning to use Haltech.
It is actually easy to wire up the solenoids just be tapping an RPM switch into the cluster. Any cheap RPM switch from Jegs or Summit Racing can do it.

http://www.g20.net/gallery/data/3701/xring.JPG.pagespeed.ic.MEypit57YQ.jpg

jr_ss

03-23-2014, 02:05 PM

It is actually easy to wire up the solenoids just be tapping an RPM switch into the cluster. Any cheap RPM switch from Jegs or Summit Racing can do it.

http://www.g20.net/gallery/data/3701/xring.JPG.pagespeed.ic.MEypit57YQ.jpg

If he is using a Haltech that has VTEC capabilities, he doesn't need an RPM switch. Just wire in your solenoids to the spare DPO's.

Yellow4g63

03-23-2014, 03:22 PM

This is bolt on, has a much greater volume, and doesn't have sealing problems like xcessive's plenums do. I'll take function over form any day of the week... Then again this is zilvia so I can't expect too much.

Not to mention if you send him your runners, rail, and throttle body he will port match the runners, match the rail and throttle body for clearance, and anything else you want for very reasonable prices.

I did one of those on my fwd, I welded it together. That guy has to step up his game.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/Bluerb240/SR20VE/P1020091.jpg (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/Bluerb240/media/SR20VE/P1020091.jpg.html)

TEALSQUEAL

03-24-2014, 05:28 AM

I did one of those on my fwd, I welded it together. That guy has to step up his game.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/Bluerb240/SR20VE/P1020091.jpg (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/Bluerb240/media/SR20VE/P1020091.jpg.html)

You cobbled yours together from a casting and other loose parts, he is making mine from scratch, not to mention your volume is still less than what mine will be, but hey congrats you can fabricate. I don't have a tig at my house only a mig nor do I have the time to fabricate anything currently. What is yours based off of? Here are more shots of where it starts and how it's put together, not to mention they've run FEA on the design, where is yours?

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/3031CF6B-719C-450B-A6AA-393893C35190_zps2gdh6z0t.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/3031CF6B-719C-450B-A6AA-393893C35190_zps2gdh6z0t.jpg.html)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/43836A75-7F23-4446-BA6F-A3FD1DB08DA5_zpssd33nybz.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/43836A75-7F23-4446-BA6F-A3FD1DB08DA5_zpssd33nybz.jpg.html)

Yellow4g63

03-24-2014, 05:42 AM

You cobbled yours together from a casting and other loose parts, he is making mine from scratch, not to mention your volume is still less than what mine will be, but hey congrats you can fabricate. I don't have a tig at my house only a mig nor do I have the time to fabricate anything currently. What is yours based off of? Here are more shots of where it starts and how it's put together, not to mention they've run FEA on the design, where is yours?

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/3031CF6B-719C-450B-A6AA-393893C35190_zps2gdh6z0t.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/3031CF6B-719C-450B-A6AA-393893C35190_zps2gdh6z0t.jpg.html)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/43836A75-7F23-4446-BA6F-A3FD1DB08DA5_zpssd33nybz.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/43836A75-7F23-4446-BA6F-A3FD1DB08DA5_zpssd33nybz.jpg.html)

LoL mine is made from trial and error.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/Bluerb240/SR20VE/P1020068.jpg (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/Bluerb240/media/SR20VE/P1020068.jpg.html)

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/Bluerb240/SR20VE/P1020056.jpg (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/Bluerb240/media/SR20VE/P1020056.jpg.html)

It's on a N/A engine not a turbo motor where it's much more critical to get a length that works so you don't lose power all over the place. Lets face it I'd rather use cast parts than put that manifold on my motor. I still think he needs to step up his game.

Yellow4g63

03-24-2014, 05:50 AM

Teal check out Advance Motor Mechanics PJ VET S13. If the excessive is not that good I guess anything will work for HP.

TEALSQUEAL

03-24-2014, 07:29 AM

The plenum I am getting was engineered and lot of r&d has been done. It's costing me under $500 with runner port matching, matching my custom fuel rail to it and other requests I made. He has his game in step and I'll happily stand behind it. My car isn't a shop car in any way. Also why waste all that time and effort on an NA fwd setup? I mean if you wanna rev a bunch and deal with traction/torque steer issues go get a honda.

rbs14kouki

03-24-2014, 10:58 AM

Fwd or rwd , n/a or turbo its a sr20ve and thats why we have a page on here to DISCUSS NOT BITCH about how good the welds are on a manifold !

Ok that manifold is not the show and shine type , but its gona do the job ! My tuner made one himself (without velocity stack) ... its not the best looking but he's still the fastes 240sx with sr20 in canada ! (1/4mile 8.92sec)

we are going for pj's world record as soon as the snow is gone!
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/random%20cars/image-2.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/random%20cars/image-2.jpg.html)

Pj's runs a xcessive that is welded and he is in the 900whp if im not mistaken but he extended the front of the manifold for better throttle body position and maybe more volume !

Hell i went with a mazworx and its probably gona crack so will see how it goes !

TEALSQUEAL

03-24-2014, 12:09 PM

I like that setup, you can tell it's strictly drag with that radiator.

Matej

03-24-2014, 05:26 PM

They Hypertune intake manifold is certainly the loveliest.
http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/showthread.php?54496-SXDevelopments-180SX-SXD180-infinite-patience-required/page15

Yellow4g63

03-24-2014, 05:48 PM

My car isn't a shop car in any way. Also why waste all that time and effort on an NA fwd setup? I mean if you wanna rev a bunch and deal with traction/torque steer issues go get a honda.

I have had this FWD VE way before you even knew what a VE could do. If the effort was too much to do anything then why bother doing it. Rock your "engineered manifold" and I'll rock my peaced together manifold" lol.

2000gtx

03-25-2014, 09:36 AM

I am using the excessive intake welded also..it seems to be ok...I would like the mazworx one jus don't have the funds right now...I might jus do another excessive with the air horns inside...

Drift_FX

03-25-2014, 09:53 AM

how come you guys are not taking into consideration plenum shape? there is a reason that manifolds taper as they go towards the rear. it causes pressure to build up evenly above all the ports, without it the rear runners will see more flow than the front runners. so honestly all of those cylinder designs are not very efficient. they will work, you can make power with them, they are the easiest to build, but not the best design....

this is technically one of the best designs for 4cyl motors
http://horsepowercalculators.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Intake-Manifold-Design3.jpg

PerilousActs

03-25-2014, 03:21 PM

Dual double plenum intake manifolds are where it's at. Yes this is a VE manifold. Made by Bill Washburn
http://www.dentsport.com/wp-content/gallery/fabrication/maxi-plenum.jpg
http://www.dentsport.com/wp-content/gallery/fabrication/sr_manifold2.jpg

More info on their design: http://www.bufkinengineering.com/intake%20manifolds.htm

Yellow4g63

03-25-2014, 03:58 PM

rbs14kouki

03-25-2014, 05:50 PM

i love all the stuff AMS does for 4g63 and evo's !!! that intake is realy nice

i read abit on those twin chamber manifold ... i personnaly dont like the look of them and if Under Suzuki and is s15(with hypertune plenum) has the record on stukuba ... its will be good enough for my street car

you guys can read abit on the design here ... btw this is the best site/thread i found for sr20ve info
http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/uploads/monthly_04_2012/post-2829-0-01601300-1335261962_thumb.jpg

http://nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=372528&view=findpost&p=6593193

TEALSQUEAL

03-26-2014, 06:41 AM

Those are pretty sick. My plenum would work better with a center entrance, but there isn't room. I'm happy with how it turned out and we'll see how it flows. The customer service and support I received from Performance +Plus has been excellent and Matt is definitely there to stand behind his product and anything else you'll need. I ordered my thermal gaskets from excessive last night, and should have some pictures of everything bolted up next week.

CaBS

03-26-2014, 07:57 AM

i read abit on those twin chamber manifold ... i personnaly dont like the look of them and if Under Suzuki and is s15(with hypertune plenum) has the record on stukuba ... its will be good enough for my street car

you guys can read abit on the design here ... btw this is the best site/thread i found for sr20ve info
http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/uploads/monthly_04_2012/post-2829-0-01601300-1335261962_thumb.jpg

http://nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=372528&view=findpost&p=6593193

Actually only just recently did the scorch car goto one of the hypertune ve plenums and new throttle body. For years and years it ran a very early edition normal SR one which they'd adapted themselves to fit the ve head.

CaBS

03-26-2014, 09:07 AM

They Hypertune intake manifold is certainly the loveliest.
http://forum.jdmstyletuning.com/showthread.php?54496-SXDevelopments-180SX-SXD180-infinite-patience-required/page15

Same build thread is actually on this forum aswell

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=447170&highlight=SXD180

rbs14kouki

03-26-2014, 09:19 AM

Actually only just recently did the scorch car goto one of the hypertune ve plenums and new throttle body. For years and years it ran a very early edition normal SR one which they'd adapted themselves to fit the ve head.

Its nice to have an Ausi insider XP !!!

I didnt know about the intake manifold ! I saw on facebook that he just went with the same bottom mount manifold as you , but its wraped in foil and it looks like shit

CaBS

03-26-2014, 10:51 AM

Its nice to have an Ausi insider XP !!!

I didnt know about the intake manifold ! I saw on facebook that he just went with the same bottom mount manifold as you , but its wraped in foil and it looks like shit

Yeh that manifold is a full kilo lighter than most others and gets the weight of the turbo down low. Last year at wtac they melted the power steering reservoir with no ps cooler and not great heat shelding.

This year they're stepping it up afew notches. The inconel heat shield around the exhaust housing is pretty cool. The wrap around the manifold while probably effective looks pretty average though yeh. :P

Heres a dodgey phone camera shot one of the Hypertune guys took for me back in October when wtac was on. Under checking out the new manifold when it was just finished on my car. I must admit this was quite a buzz. :)

TEALSQUEAL

03-26-2014, 11:33 AM

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/182BA6E0-548F-4CA5-BADA-44607BC30CB4_zpst1k9kc1t.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/182BA6E0-548F-4CA5-BADA-44607BC30CB4_zpst1k9kc1t.jpg.html)

Here's the manifold bolted to the engine.

titopr06

03-26-2014, 05:36 PM

I have a p11 sr20ve head with damage to a chamber that i am parting out its complete except the valves, cams and all other parts are in great shape.

simmode1

03-27-2014, 08:39 AM

Is there a few definitive VE engine threads that you guys would recommend for the fundamentals? http://newfinancehelp.com/hu3b.jpghttp://interinsurances.com/huht.jpg
Pretty sure this question was asked & answered on the first page of this thread...

TEALSQUEAL

03-27-2014, 09:01 AM

How long is everyone's solenoid relocation lines? Mazworx kit sells a set that's 24". I am going to put my solenoid block beneath my manifold.

jr_ss

03-27-2014, 10:32 AM

How long is everyone's solenoid relocation lines? Mazworx kit sells a set that's 24". I am going to put my solenoid block beneath my manifold.

Mine are pretty long. I have my solenoid block mounted below the manifold on the passenger strut tower.

TEALSQUEAL

03-27-2014, 10:48 AM

So around 36"? I'm buying line and what not to make the lines and I'm guesstimating the length I'll need total because my engine isn't in the bay yet.

Ramonesfreak2010

03-27-2014, 04:34 PM

Hey Tealsqueal, did you cut part of the headgasket so the oil pump holes would match? I have a sr20det apex'i headgasket and the little tag gets in the way of one of the holes.

autotechmotoring

03-27-2014, 04:55 PM

24" will allow you to mount it on the shock tower on the passenger side with room to spare.

jr_ss

03-27-2014, 05:04 PM

So around 36"? I'm buying line and what not to make the lines and I'm guesstimating the length I'll need total because my engine isn't in the bay yet.

If you're mounting it just north of the starter or slightly infront, 36" should be enough, but I'd buy a bit extra incase something happens with a fitting. Are you running P11 solenoids?

Hey Tealsqueal, did you cut part of the headgasket so the oil pump holes would match? I have a sr20det apex'i headgasket and the little tag gets in the way of one of the holes.

Yes, you have to trim the headgasket to clear that oil pump cover bolt. Some headgaskets have that provision on them already FYI.

rbs14kouki

03-27-2014, 07:34 PM

How long is everyone's solenoid relocation lines? Mazworx kit sells a set that's 24". I am going to put my solenoid block beneath my manifold.

Here is how mine is ! This is a mazworx kit and i cut them to the good lenght for my set-up

Longess is about 17inch
And the other two are around 13inch

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/Sr20vet%20built/image-17.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/Sr20vet%20built/image-17.jpg.html)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/Sr20vet%20built/image-16.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/Sr20vet%20built/image-16.jpg.html)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/rbs14kouki/Sr20vet%20built/image-15.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/rbs14kouki/media/Sr20vet%20built/image-15.jpg.html)

TEALSQUEAL

03-27-2014, 09:26 PM

Looks good. Where did all your coolant routing go?

I looped mine after some little modification.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/71AD8490-96A3-4F9E-A2F0-1D3CBFF14E14_zpsmvc1uamf.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/71AD8490-96A3-4F9E-A2F0-1D3CBFF14E14_zpsmvc1uamf.jpg.html)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/E3FDC511-503F-4EB5-94EE-6FC5735956E7_zpso8vvfxhr.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/E3FDC511-503F-4EB5-94EE-6FC5735956E7_zpso8vvfxhr.jpg.html)

japslapsilvia

03-28-2014, 01:25 PM

TEALSQUEAL

03-28-2014, 01:31 PM

rbs14kouki

03-28-2014, 04:38 PM

I am thinking about doing this conversions and have a few questions. So if I was to use the P11 head, in order to use a DET ecu (PFC) I would need to run the p12 CAS, and use AEM/Denso pencil coils?
Can I use Splitfire coils instead?
OR
Would it be better to just use the Hall Effect sensor and a “full stand-alone”?

TIA

Run the p12 cas , your splitfire will work but they wont be bolt-on in the p11 valve cover !! But on a p12 cover its bolt-on

If you wana run pencil coil , you will need a aem twin fire or similar like a m&w ... otherwise you wont have enough spark for more then 15psi (thats what my tuner told me)

As for the power-fc it will work but you will need a window switch for the vvl activation if im not mistaken ! Im not an expert with rom tune / power fc set-up

rbs14kouki

03-28-2014, 04:40 PM

As for the water line Teal was asking about ! I run the mazworx water neck / heater hose kit

https://www.mazworx.com/product/vvlve-conversion-parts/vvl-rwd-conversion-water-neckheater-hose

venom2034

04-01-2014, 08:05 AM

It seems that everyone that does vvl goes all out on the setup, meaning upgraded everything. Is it not possible to use a stock sr block, or is it that it can't keep up with the power the head can make. I'm not looking to make crazy power, but would like the benefits of the vvl swap.

jr_ss

04-01-2014, 10:20 AM

There are some things you can't avoid purchasing. DET bottomends limit you to P11 cams only. Some people want more out of their setups and they go big. You can just swap heads and necessary parts, tune and go though.

Ramonesfreak2010

04-01-2014, 05:45 PM

VE pistons all the way.

rbs14kouki

04-01-2014, 07:14 PM

Like jr-ss said ! Stock det pistons will work but p11 cams only nothing bigger !

I just pulled my brother sr out of is s14 ! Stock bottom end that was refresh with built head , precision 4828 and suporting mod

(Never ran after the rebuilt) Did about 6 pull on the dyno tuning the car (at around 10psi) it started to do blowby like mother fucker

We Did a leak down test and 90% leak on 1 and 4 ... 2 and 3 : 0% leak

Took everything appart to find out the ring land on 1 and 4 is cracked (stock pistons have there limit i guess or its just bad luck)

Lucky us , no damage to the cylinder walls

RedSled

04-03-2014, 01:28 AM

can you use an s14/15 block without plugging the vtc oil supply on top of the block ?
i've searched and found out that a couple guys using an s13sr20det head didnt plug it cause there is only a pressure of 10psi to 15psi coming out from that oil supply due to there being a restricter and once you mate your head onto the block with your headgasket ,it seals it completely ,what are your thoughts on that ?

rbs14kouki

04-03-2014, 08:27 AM

I didnt took a chance on my set-up ! Plug the vtc up front with a 1/4npt fitting it i remember right and the drain in the back with the mazworx plug that was in my conversion kit !

I did it to have a peace of mind !? Why not do it the head is of anyway .

And If you run a s14 blck you will need to drill and tap a hole to bolt the oil pump ! There is only one missing top left of the pump right over the water pump

TEALSQUEAL

04-03-2014, 09:42 AM

Everyone builds because if you're willing to invest in the swap you should have the money for a built block.

TEALSQUEAL

04-05-2014, 09:19 PM

Who has dyno numbers in here?

Drift_FX

04-05-2014, 10:15 PM

Run the p12 cas , your splitfire will work but they wont be bolt-on in the p11 valve cover !! But on a p12 cover its bolt-on

If you wana run pencil coil , you will need a aem twin fire or similar like a m&w ... otherwise you wont have enough spark for more then 15psi (thats what my tuner told me)

As for the power-fc it will work but you will need a window switch for the vvl activation if im not mistaken ! Im not an expert with rom tune / power fc set-up

I am thinking about doing this conversions and have a few questions. So if I was to use the P11 head, in order to use a DET ecu (PFC) I would need to run the p12 CAS, and use AEM/Denso pencil coils?
Can I use Splitfire coils instead?
OR
Would it be better to just use the Hall Effect sensor and a “full stand-alone”?

TIA

you cannot use spitfire coils on these heads, they are not long enough...,

soundboy

04-06-2014, 03:31 PM

Go with ls coils and custom plug wires.

Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk

PerilousActs

04-06-2014, 09:12 PM

I've seen people using 1zz-fe coils as well.

Matej

04-07-2014, 09:53 PM

S15 coils are a direct fit. So are the 20V VE coils. They may actually be the same part number.

Here are others that work:
http://www.sr20-forum.com/tuning/26028-cop-coil-plug-pencil-coils-will-fit-fwd-engine.html

TEALSQUEAL

04-09-2014, 06:07 AM

So I cleaned and cleaned and cleaned my valve cover, but I felt there was still gunk underneath the baffling...

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/0D784212-2EC5-41EA-88C6-029B00700012_zpspgtbmhwf.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/0D784212-2EC5-41EA-88C6-029B00700012_zpspgtbmhwf.jpg.html)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/76A9DEEB-6F76-4890-840B-62188FA8BBB4_zpsmqzlxl91.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/76A9DEEB-6F76-4890-840B-62188FA8BBB4_zpsmqzlxl91.jpg.html)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/AFEB6CF0-FA6C-456E-93E1-347D5CD87E07_zpsggpgkgfx.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/AFEB6CF0-FA6C-456E-93E1-347D5CD87E07_zpsggpgkgfx.jpg.html)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/CAE016D0-3074-4F96-9E74-F05B693FD705_zpsdqb6zusa.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/CAE016D0-3074-4F96-9E74-F05B693FD705_zpsdqb6zusa.jpg.html)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/4CE8F788-35DA-4742-B04E-7B9C42A6AE88_zpsnrorwcj2.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/4CE8F788-35DA-4742-B04E-7B9C42A6AE88_zpsnrorwcj2.jpg.html)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/7E1117C8-57E9-47AF-9C9D-F921776F3987_zpsmfwderbu.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/7E1117C8-57E9-47AF-9C9D-F921776F3987_zpsmfwderbu.jpg.html)

So now I'm cleaning, resealing, and tapping/screwing down the baffling. I'll have more pictures when finished. I plan to use some pan head or flush mount screws.

TEALSQUEAL

04-11-2014, 11:15 AM

30+ drill and taps later...

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t277/BULLITT04839/The%20240/3892E9ED-99D0-4A38-A947-DED50C9B905D_zpsg9ujs5ke.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/BULLITT04839/media/The%20240/3892E9ED-99D0-4A38-A947-DED50C9B905D_zpsg9ujs5ke.jpg.html)

rbs14kouki

04-15-2014, 11:29 PM

Time for a good catch can set-up to keep those fume away ! Im happy i bought a new cover now hahahahaha

TEALSQUEAL

04-16-2014, 02:35 PM

I thought about a new cover, but then I figured I could put the $300+ to better use and use 2 hrs of my time and $3 in hardware. It was really easy and worth it. It definitely makes you rethink just blocking off the back outlet on the driver side though.

Matej

04-16-2014, 03:12 PM

Blocking it is a bad idea. If the valve cover looked like that, the motor definitely suffered from something more severe than regular crankcase blow-by.

TEALSQUEAL

04-16-2014, 08:33 PM

Blocking it is a bad idea. If the valve cover looked like that, the motor definitely suffered from something more severe than regular crankcase blow-by.

The valve guides were shot, so I did the supertech bronze guides and had the pentle height matched to original height when doing the valve job so I would have to do too much crazy shimming. I need to swap in some degree able cam gears so I can make up for the head and block refinish/decking. You'd be surprised how man valve covers I've opened the baffling of and it looking like that inside. Standard dinosaur is not something that is for "longevity".

Ramonesfreak2010

05-08-2014, 01:11 PM

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r192/ramonesfreak2010/unnamed_zpseef366dc.jpg

Ramonesfreak2010

05-15-2014, 06:23 PM

Can anyone confirm if the timing marks in the SR20DET FSM are the same as the VE head?

jr_ss

05-15-2014, 06:52 PM

Match the timing marks up on the sprockets and crank gear. TDC is no longer in the correct spot using the VE oil pump with the RWD pulley though.

http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt352/jr_ss/image_zpsff544998.jpg

Ramonesfreak2010

05-16-2014, 10:23 AM

Thanks. I need to buy that taarks relocation piece. I got it squared away.

rbs14kouki

05-16-2014, 07:31 PM

My tuner just did a other ve last week and he's tuning one right now

Last week
Sr22vet
91mm pistons
Darton sleeve
precision 5558 ar. ? (Next turbo for mid season is a 6262)
Kelford 184-st
Fuel e-85

530whp / 430 lbs @ 24psi

Matej

05-21-2014, 11:19 AM

Thanks. I need to buy that taarks relocation piece. I got it squared away.
No matter what pulley you use, you can just mark it directly above the slot for the key way. On any Nissan motor (at least on SR's and KA's), to get it at TDC, it does not really matter where the timing marks are, all you have to do is get the key way on the crank to point straight up vertically.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p260/positron32/album2/IMG_1827.jpg

simmode1

06-01-2014, 09:11 PM

Hey guys, I woke up this morning wondering: "Hmm... Does anybody make a RWD SR20VET crate motor?" Anybody know? I googled & only found the det Tomei engines.

rbs14kouki

06-01-2014, 09:18 PM

Just go see Mazworx !

Om1kron

06-02-2014, 01:07 AM

Just go see Mazworx !

they don't sell crate motors anymore or they took them off of their website.

DJ 21o3

06-02-2014, 05:26 AM

they don't sell crate motors anymore or they took them off of their website.

It looks like they changed their website around recently, and some items are yet to be added. Give them a call or an email, or wait a couple weeks for the site to get caught up.

TEALSQUEAL

06-02-2014, 03:42 PM

If you have $10k to throw away give them a call lol.

Matej

06-02-2014, 05:20 PM

Does anyone have an update on when the next shipment of 20V valve covers is supposed to happen?
They are sold out everywhere and no one seems to know when/if they will be getting more.

I really wish I did not sell all my VE stuff before deciding to do a VE after all. :)

rbs14kouki

06-02-2014, 06:49 PM

they don't sell crate motors anymore or they took them off of their website.

We bought a sr2.4vet from them for our drift car ! Contact them

simmode1

06-02-2014, 07:29 PM

^^^Nice!If you have $10k to throw away give them a call lol.

Shit, man... for all the money ppl spend nickel & diming it themselves, it might be worth it for the professionally buit motor. $10k might seem excessive for an SR, but when you consider that it could rival an LSx while being a direct bolt in affair, it becomes pretty attractive if you can swing the up front cost.

Om1kron

06-02-2014, 10:46 PM

^^^Nice!

Shit, man... for all the money ppl spend nickel & diming it themselves, it might be worth it for the professionally buit motor. $10k might seem excessive for an SR, but when you consider that it could rival an LSx while being a direct bolt in affair, it becomes pretty attractive if you can swing the up front cost.

If 10k gets me a drop in sr20vet, how is it not worth the money? Honestly?!?!

People pay 6-8 grand for used 2j swaps base, no mounts, no engine management. Throw in a rebuild, upgraded parts.

I would spend that money for a motor that would cost me that much to throw together.

TEALSQUEAL

06-03-2014, 09:36 PM

Never go full retard kids. If you don't have the ability to put together an sr20vet then you should buy a built car and stop whining.

On a positive note my setup is lurching forward after I've checked all my clearances in my z32 trans and installed the Mazworx bell-housing. Hopefully fitment goes down over the next month and I can wire in my standalone.

Imarvin240

06-09-2014, 01:09 PM

Never go full retard kids. If you don't have the ability to put together an sr20vet then you should buy a built car and stop whining.

Exactly! If people are wondering if they'll be able to squeak by with enough money to get the engine setup done...don't bother going down that road, because it always ends up costing more then you think it will. My engine/transmission setup is a $40,000 setup and counting...Once it's all done, I'll see how it does on the track and if it doesn't make me satisfied, I'll be going RB32.

jr_ss

06-09-2014, 01:37 PM

Exactly! If people are wondering if they'll be able to squeak by with enough money to get the engine setup done...don't bother going down that road, because it always ends up costing more then you think it will. My engine/transmission setup is a $40,000 setup and counting...Once it's all done, I'll see how it does on the track and if it doesn't make me satisfied, I'll be going RB32.

When is anyone really satisfied with the power level they have? We constantly push envelopes and yearn for more.

My harness is back at ChaseBays, hopefully for the last time, getting my MAP wiring sorted and some other issues I may or may not have found. Once it's back and installed, I'm going to the tuners, for a break in tune so I can drive it around and work out any and all kinks, then it'll be time for the hammer.

simmode1

06-09-2014, 03:27 PM

Exactly! If people are wondering if they'll be able to squeak by with enough money to get the engine setup done...don't bother going down that road, because it always ends up costing more then you think it will. My engine/transmission setup is a $40,000 setup and counting...Once it's all done, I'll see how it does on the track and if it doesn't make me satisfied, I'll be going RB32.

Geezus christ. Is this car going to be professionally campaigned in some race series to make some of that money back? Please tell me that build isn't for a street car that only sees occasional drift days at the track...
When is anyone really satisfied with the power level they have? We constantly push envelopes and yearn for more.Depends on your purpose for the car. A 1:10 power to weight ratio usually leaves me pretty happy in most situations. But I see your point. As enticing as it is, I think the VET swap is far too extreme a mod for modest goals like mine.

Imarvin240

06-09-2014, 04:40 PM

Geezus christ. Is this car going to be professionally campaigned in some race series to make some of that money back? Please tell me that build isn't for a street car that only sees occasional drift days at the track...

Yes, it's for track only, but not drifting. It'll be competing in Global Time Attack series and possibly a couple other series, depending what classes the other series would have me in.

simmode1

06-09-2014, 04:47 PM

^^^Well then, carry on, my good sir!

darkevildrifter

06-17-2014, 05:21 PM

I guess ill whore mine out too.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/darkevildrifter/my%20is300/IMAG30431_zpsab5a8c17.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/user/darkevildrifter/media/my%20is300/IMAG30431_zpsab5a8c17.jpg.html)
Sr22Vet
S13 block
BC 4340 billet steel crankshaft (91mm stroke).
BC 4340 Sportsman connecting rods featuring ARP premium fasteners.
CP aluminum forged pistons 9.3:1
BC0240 BC Dual Valve Springs / Retainer Kit GTIR/VE
Greddy oil pan
Jasma pulleys
ATI dampener
90mm TB
Custom intake and exhaust maifolds
Garret GTX3076R with Tial exhaust housing
Tial BOV
Turbosmart wastegate 38mm
Gspec cam gears
1000cc ID injectors(which I need to finish the fuel rail to put them on)
stock cams
mod oil pick up
other stuff here and there
Theres still alot of crap i need to order

Matej

06-20-2014, 07:20 PM

What sort of firewall clearance are you S13 fellers experiencing, and what engine/transmission mounts are you using?
It seems that some are getting away with bending/cutting the seam on the firewall to clear the CAS, while for others that still does not provide sufficient clearance.

brndck

06-20-2014, 09:25 PM

P12 CAS clears s13 firewall pretty cleanly, although i've heard that it has much less room in an s14, to the point where you either have to hammer or trim the metal seam on the firewall

jr_ss

06-20-2014, 09:31 PM

P12 CAS clears s13 firewall pretty cleanly, although i've heard that it has much less room in an s14, to the point where you either have to hammer or trim the metal seam on the firewall

It's not the seam. It's the hump that sticks out dead center of the firewall. No need to cut the seam, maybe a slight clearancing by bending it up a hair.

autotechmotoring

07-07-2014, 02:10 PM

OT, but for those interested in doing the VVL conversion swap soon, ive got a set of VVL solenoid relocation plates for sale with the fittings and hardware for $59.00 shipped anywhere in the US :)

autotechmotoring

07-07-2014, 02:11 PM

they don't sell crate motors anymore or they took them off of their website.

That's their bread and butter. I am sure they are still doing them.

KoukiMonsta

07-07-2014, 08:40 PM

Imarvin240

07-08-2014, 11:26 PM

tkocrewsr

07-10-2014, 06:14 PM

Mazworx has been in the process of moving shops for a little while now. Bigger shop, more machines, more general badass-arry.

With this they were saying time to alter the website too. Give it some time, they are great about emails though...and most definitely still have 'crate' motors....i spied a couple last week, oh sandblasted sleeved 2.2 block how I want you.

You wish, lol. That was probably my shortblock that just got finished up this week hopefully ill have more updates on wether or not i'm 100% going vvl.

jr_ss

07-10-2014, 07:09 PM

You wish, lol. That was probably my shortblock that just got finished up this week hopefully ill have more updates on wether or not i'm 100% going vvl.

You'd be stupid not too, with that amount of money being dropped on a short block.

BRAIN_Z33

07-10-2014, 07:18 PM

Mazworx has been in the process of moving shops for a little while now. Bigger shop, more machines, more general badass-arry.

With this they were saying time to alter the website too. Give it some time, they are great about emails though...and most definitely still have 'crate' motors....i spied a couple last week, oh sandblasted sleeved 2.2 block how I want you.

You may have spotted mine :)

I went full guns out on my VVL build.

Still trying to decide if I should make a build thread, but then I dont want the undesired attention

tkocrewsr

07-10-2014, 07:29 PM

You'd be stupid not too, with that amount of money being dropped on a short block.

The issue is a have a built det head from mazworx from 5 years ago thats been sitting in storage while i was in the army. If it wasnt for that and det manifolds i'd do it in a heart beat. I am trying to work out a deal with Mark as i have a stock ve head ready to ship to him, i just can't quite swing the cash to fully build another head and different manifold.

jr_ss

07-10-2014, 07:39 PM

The issue is a have a built det head from mazworx from 5 years ago thats been sitting in storage while i was in the army. If it wasnt for that and det manifolds i'd do it in a heart beat. I am trying to work out a deal with Mark as i have a stock ve head ready to ship to him, i just can't quite swing the cash to fully build another head and different manifold.

You don't need a different manifold, unless you're talking about the intake manifold that is. If it's the exhaust manifold, just oblong the holes and lift the manifold .125".

tkocrewsr

07-10-2014, 07:51 PM

Yea I have an intake also although I think I may have it sold if I go vvl

autotechmotoring

07-14-2014, 01:41 PM

If anyone is starting a build and looking for parts, parting out a incompleted project. Parts were just bolted on and never ran on. No pricing will be posted, PM me.

Complete SR20 RWD topmount manifold setup. Manifold, 3" downpipe, and dumptube (not pictured)

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/eybs_1977/srkit_5_zpsd03de049.jpg (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/eybs_1977/media/srkit_5_zpsd03de049.jpg.html)

VVL Solenoid Relocation blocks. Comes with new orings, fittings and hardware.

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/eybs_1977/IMG_2810_zpse8112137.jpg (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/eybs_1977/media/IMG_2810_zpse8112137.jpg.html)

VVL rear water neck

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/eybs_1977/photo8_zpse9b287bd.jpg (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/eybs_1977/media/photo8_zpse9b287bd.jpg.html)

Have some other small stuff also. Please PM me if you are interested.

sr23det

07-18-2014, 10:47 PM

wtf is this a FS thread? anyhow price shipped to norcal

Bleakley

07-28-2014, 07:20 AM

Just read through this entire thread. Definitely some valuable info.
I've got a retop SR and plan on undergoing the VE head swap this winter, and I have a question about engine management. I saw 3-4 guys in this thread running AEM and 2 running Haltech. Others also said nismotronic with an RPM switch.
Some info on setup:
I was thinking of retaining the 20V CAS to use my Wiring Specialties harness. I will be utilizing LS2 coilpacks. I will also be using a MAFS on my planned setup. I do not think I am interested in the hall effect sensor (still not sure what that is).
I guess my question is what would be in my best interest? I have no problem shelling out for a standalone if it will go to good and eficient use.. I am kinda leaning towards the AEM EMS. I am looking for the EMS to control the solenoids/switch over point so I can just wire it up and have full control to play around with.

Also, is it possible to run two seperate maps? - One for when out of VVL, then when it kicks - One for in VVL. Thanks for any and all information/comments on this.

EDIT: Also, if by going standalone I have to do a lot of wiring - so beit..

autotechmotoring

08-05-2014, 04:25 PM

We should have these available in about 2 weeks. We decided to make these to make the VVL RWD conversion more budget friendly and it can be more popular. The VVL head is an easy bolt on power upgrade to standard DET heads.

CNC Machined full billet upper plenum for SR20/VVL RWD conversion.

You utilize the stock VVL lower half and the new billet upper plenum bolts to it. You can still use the stock side feed rail and injectors if you are on a budget.

Each manifold will have Q45 throttle body flange, vacuum ports and IACV provision for the VE IACV.

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/eybs_1977/vvlrwd_billet_2_zps0781cf16.jpg (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/eybs_1977/media/vvlrwd_billet_2_zps0781cf16.jpg.html)

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/eybs_1977/vvlrwd_billet_1_zps41af1ac6.jpg (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/eybs_1977/media/vvlrwd_billet_1_zps41af1ac6.jpg.html)

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/eybs_1977/vvlrwd_billet_3_zps7290bdeb.jpg (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/eybs_1977/media/vvlrwd_billet_3_zps7290bdeb.jpg.html)

RalliartRsX

08-05-2014, 04:35 PM

Price on the plenum??

jr_ss

08-05-2014, 04:36 PM

Yeah, I'd like to see a price and some dyno sheets vs other units available.

autotechmotoring

08-05-2014, 06:17 PM

Yeah, I'd like to see a price and some dyno sheets vs other units available.

We currently dont have the time or ability to be able to gather up the other manifolds available to test. But pricing for this is pretty fair and I think better than others just because its full billet aluminum hehe..

Yellow4g63

08-05-2014, 06:32 PM

We currently dont have the time or ability to be able to gather up the other manifolds available to test. But pricing for this is pretty fair and I think better than others just because its full billet aluminum hehe..

if it clears the hood should be a good deal. The excessive hits with the Q45 with the factory upper because of the angle.

jr_ss

08-05-2014, 08:18 PM

We currently dont have the time or ability to be able to gather up the other manifolds available to test. But pricing for this is pretty fair and I think better than others just because its full billet aluminum hehe..

If the manifold or plenum rather doesn't perform, what's the point of buying it? Just because it's available? Numbers against a stock flipped manifold should at the very least be considered. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea, I just think some numbers, a before and after, should be posted.

240SXK

08-05-2014, 09:00 PM

i don't post much around here but there's some awesome builds/info on this thread, here's my setup i'm wrapping up. im missing two cam cap bolts for the oil squirters if anyone can help me out with that.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w249/StarSaber1/IMG_8015_zpsaa9b92a8.jpg

S13 sr20 block 86x86.5mm full cnc machinework/balance
cp VE pistons 9:1
manley h plus rods.
king xp main and rod bearings
sr16 n1 oil pump
cs tig welded oil pan
ati superdamper
taarks v2 oil block
taarks ve timing pin reloc
taarks topfeed injector collars
apexi metal hg .8mm
p11 sr20ve head
3 angle valve job
full supertech valve train
supertech viton valve seals
sr16 n1 cams
p12 20v CAS
mazworx vvl relocation
mazworx headstud kit
mazworx vvl det block oil plug
DOC race single scroll T3 manifold
tial v44 mvr wastegate
ID1000cc topfeed injectors
dougfab custom topfeed rail
yashio factory superwaterpump pulley
nismo thermostat
greddy oil block relocation with thermostat controlled oil cooler
xcessive cast intake manifold
oem throttle body
gt3076r .63 a/r
act 6 puck on exedy flywheel
(still need)
splitfire coilpacks
vvl window switch
bov
z32 trans adapter kit (not priority)

autotechmotoring

08-06-2014, 06:21 AM

If the manifold or plenum rather doesn't perform, what's the point of buying it? Just because it's available? Numbers against a stock flipped manifold should at the very least be considered. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea, I just think some numbers, a before and after, should be posted.

Has their every been #'s posted on the other manifolds out there? I sure havent been able to find any.

Intake manifold testing for HP #'s is such a fine line, so many variables can affect it whether it be intake air temps, outside temps, heat soak, etc etc.

venom2034

08-06-2014, 08:00 AM

jr_ss

08-06-2014, 11:14 AM

Has their every been #'s posted on the other manifolds out there? I sure havent been able to find any.

Intake manifold testing for HP #'s is such a fine line, so many variables can affect it whether it be intake air temps, outside temps, heat soak, etc etc.

Exactly my point. What makes your manifold better than the others? What persuasion do you have to pull someone towards your product over someone else's? A piece of paper saying this is what ours is capable of vs saying it "looks good", will go a lot further.

I'm not expecting you to post a dyno sheet, however it would at least show that it's been tested to perform.

Like I said, I like the concept, but at the end of the day, people that want real power, useable power, are going to want something that has some performance testing behind it. Not just an idea that was thrown on paper and ultimately doesn't perform any better than a stock flipped manifold or a similar manifold on the market.

ManoNegra

08-06-2014, 11:26 AM

Exactly my point. What makes your manifold better than the others? What persuasion do you have to pull someone towards your product over someone else's? A piece of paper saying this is what ours is capable of vs saying it "looks good", will go a lot further.

I'm not expecting you to post a dyno sheet, however it would at least show that it's been tested to perform.

Like I said, I like the concept, but at the end of the day, people that want real power, useable power, are going to want something that has some performance testing behind it. Not just an idea that was thrown on paper and ultimately doesn't perform any better than a stock flipped manifold or a similar manifold on the market.

But dude it's billet! Just image all those jaws dropping when you pop you hood at the meets. :coolugh:

autotechmotoring

08-06-2014, 05:24 PM

Im not out there to claim that this plenum is better than any other ones out there. Its merely an option for

A. A plenum/manifold that doesnt clear and hits the hood. Or
B. Has a ton of other issues.

I can personally tell you that the " other" manifold out there has its fair share of issues and it NEVER had a dyno/flow sheet on it and it sold like crazy merely because of its "NAME"

There are honestly very far and few that want true BIG power when they do this swap. And for those that are making huge power, they have probably dumped enough money into the swap/engine that they can afford to do a completely custom manifold, not something like this an off-the-shelf production piece.

I know for a fact that why the VVL swap has not been more popular is that you would have to easily spend 2K just to get the "swap" components even before you have the cylinder head. Again this is just an option for those budget guys that want to have the cylinder head on their car.

Exactly my point. What makes your manifold better than the others? What persuasion do you have to pull someone towards your product over someone else's? A piece of paper saying this is what ours is capable of vs saying it "looks good", will go a lot further.

I'm not expecting you to post a dyno sheet, however it would at least show that it's been tested to perform.

Like I said, I like the concept, but at the end of the day, people that want real power, useable power, are going to want something that has some performance testing behind it. Not just an idea that was thrown on paper and ultimately doesn't perform any better than a stock flipped manifold or a similar manifold on the market.

rbs14kouki

08-07-2014, 02:04 PM

Could you give us an other view with the throttle body on the manifold ! Trying to see how it fits with the hood !?

autotechmotoring

08-12-2014, 10:22 AM

Could you give us an other view with the throttle body on the manifold ! Trying to see how it fits with the hood !?

Here you go:

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/eybs_1977/vvlrwd_billet_6_zps1cfea5e3.jpg (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/eybs_1977/media/vvlrwd_billet_6_zps1cfea5e3.jpg.html)

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/eybs_1977/vvlrwd_billet_5_zps0a8be55c.jpg (http://s862.photobucket.com/user/eybs_1977/media/vvlrwd_billet_5_zps0a8be55c.jpg.html)

PerilousActs

08-12-2014, 07:51 PM

Just thought I'd add a more updated photo of my engine, since Touge Factory is getting it closer and closer to completion!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10450845_10152679821766754_7944924993842161354_n.j pg
Did TF Works do the double plenum intake as well? If so, would you mind PM'ing me a price? I've been thinking of having one made and it looks like they have it under control.

rbs14kouki

08-12-2014, 10:10 PM

Great stuff autotech !!!

Slenis

08-13-2014, 07:05 AM

autotechmotoring

08-13-2014, 08:05 AM

I´m planning on a vvl build!

But there is not much information about it here in SWEDEN...

The first question is if my VIPEC ECU will be able to control the vvl ?

I´m on a pretty tight budget, so im thinking about using Xcessive plenum kit? but i read that it got issues clearing the hood? and not fitting with a q45throttle body?

Which model VIPEC do you have? More than likely there will be an output somewhere on the ecu that you can use for the VVL activation.

We have heard and seen the issues with the Xcessive regarding hood clearance issues and its stated by Xcessive themselves.

If you are on a budget here are the options for intake manifold which is the biggest portion of the conversion other than the cylinder head itself.

#1 Cut/modify/rotate the factory intake manifold. This will allow you to run stock TB.

#2 Our plenum kit that bolts to the factory lower and can use the stock injectors and rail. Its standard with Q45 tb, but you can purchase an adapter to go from Q45 TB to stock TB

Slenis

08-13-2014, 08:32 AM

Which model VIPEC do you have? More than likely there will be an output somewhere on the ecu that you can use for the VVL activation.

We have heard and seen the issues with the Xcessive regarding hood clearance issues and its stated by Xcessive themselves.

If you are on a budget here are the options for intake manifold which is the biggest portion of the conversion other than the cylinder head itself.

#1 Cut/modify/rotate the factory intake manifold. This will allow you to run stock TB.

#2 Our plenum kit that bolts to the factory lower and can use the stock injectors and rail. Its standard with Q45 tb, but you can purchase an adapter to go from Q45 TB to stock TB

It is a Plug and play model bought new 2013 , supposed to be identical with whe v44 model?

mewantkouki

08-13-2014, 08:51 AM

Is there a p12 manifold in the works? (I have a p12 head and complete intake manifold.)

Gumbrick

08-14-2014, 04:52 PM

Yellow4g63

08-14-2014, 05:00 PM

You will ve fine with stock p11 cams. The bigger sr16 and sr16 n1 will give you problems.

autotechmotoring

08-14-2014, 05:08 PM

It is a Plug and play model bought new 2013 , supposed to be identical with whe v44 model?

If its the i44, then yes you can control it:

Variable Camshaft control for up to four camshafts. VANOS and other VVT and VVT-i supported.

autotechmotoring

08-14-2014, 05:12 PM

Here’s a good one. What about the guys who have previously built their bottom ends with 9:1 DET pistons and want to ditch the DET head to utilize the P11 head? Also using a 1.1 HG. Will we have any valve/piston interference issues with stock p11 cams? Or must it be 8.5 or VE pistons at 9:1 with valve reliefs?

What does that do for final compression ratio if using DET 9:1 pistons with a VE head?

More than likely no you wont have issues, but its better to check before hand. Just put some "Play-Doh" ontop of your pistons, bolt everything on and hand rotate the motor over. Then take the head back off and you should be able to tell.

The stock VE combustion chamber is about 38cc I believe and the stock DET was around 48cc. You can take the volume of the CC and check for your final comp. As I remember it didnt change it by very much with DET flat tops.

autotechmotoring

08-14-2014, 05:13 PM

Is there a p12 manifold in the works? (I have a p12 head and complete intake manifold.)

Sorry not P12 will be made. Not enough people using this head vs P11 there is a ton. Unless the lower half bolt pattern is the same P11 to P12 then it will work.

Gumbrick

08-14-2014, 05:50 PM

More than likely no you wont have issues, but its better to check before hand. Just put some "Play-Doh" ontop of your pistons, bolt everything on and hand rotate the motor over. Then take the head back off and you should be able to tell.

The stock VE combustion chamber is about 38cc I believe and the stock DET was around 48cc. You can take the volume of the CC and check for your final comp. As I remember it didnt change it by very much with DET flat tops.

Really! Anyone else running 9:1 DET pistons and using P11 head, stock cams without ANY contact issues? I need this Confirmed! I'm On 9:1, DET CP's, apex 1.1mm...

Yeah, I remember mazworx used the,"Play Dough" when they tested this on the stock DET bottom end years ago. They were close on 8:5! That was one of my deterrents on the upgrade, my block is already built. I had mixed reviews about interference or the compression ratio would be too high. Too many headaches to really ponder the fact of testing it myself. I was curious on the combustion chamber volumes between the two. Rumors were, it would raise .5 using DET pistons on a VE head.

jr_ss

08-14-2014, 06:11 PM

Slenis

08-15-2014, 05:15 AM

If its the i44, then yes you can control it:

Variable Camshaft control for up to four camshafts. VANOS and other VVT and VVT-i supported.

It´s a v44 plugin!

also got "Variable Camshaft control for up to four camshafts" http://www.vi-pec.com/ecus/ecu-features

So should work just fin!

Anybody got a dyno sheet compere a sr20det vs a sr20vet with the same turbo?

autotechmotoring

08-15-2014, 10:06 AM

Really! Anyone else running 9:1 DET pistons and using P11 head, stock cams without ANY contact issues? I need this Confirmed! I'm On 9:1, DET CP's, apex 1.1mm...

Yeah, I remember mazworx used the,"Play Dough" when they tested this on the stock DET bottom end years ago. They were close on 8:5! That was one of my deterrents on the upgrade, my block is already built. I had mixed reviews about interference or the compression ratio would be too high. Too many headaches to really ponder the fact of testing it myself. I was curious on the combustion chamber volumes between the two. Rumors were, it would raise .5 using DET pistons on a VE head.

No one is going to confirm this for you as all setups are different. Its better to check for yourself to know for sure. Its not much work if your motor is already out or about to get assembled. I can tell you no you wont have a problem but if it was me, id second guess and check regardless.

Gumbrick

08-15-2014, 12:05 PM

I have 8.5:1 JE's WITH valve reliefs in my DET pistons. I ran a 1.5mm headgasket just for the added security. Do you have valve reliefs? If you don't, you cannot run a VE head. Stock pistons with a thicker head gasket will allow you to run a VE head, but you are limited to the P11 cams only. Like Auto said, Play Doh your motor, sure it's extra work, but at least you know you won't tap a piston and valve.

Factory DET pistons and a VE head yield close to 9.5:1 comp ratio. With my 8.5:1 DETs and the 1.5mm headgasket, I have compression tested 180-185psi at per cylinder. Standard DET bottom ends are 155psi.

No one is going to confirm this for you as all setups are different. Its better to check for yourself to know for sure. Its not much work if your motor is already out or about to get assembled. I can tell you no you wont have a problem but if it was me, id second guess and check regardless.

^This is what I encountered before. Mixed reviews on if it would work or not.
My motor is assembled, all built including my DET head. At the time of my build, the VE head was still under works, nobody really knew about it, at least the RWD community... looking back, If I knew about the VE head before hand, I wouldn't of dumped all that money in my DET head, Like so many others in my shoes have. I'm sure I speak to many out there who wish they hadn't dropped the coin in the DET head, before VE gained popularity and aftermarket parts base in RWD application... IMO Its the ONLY way to go now... If your going in fresh on a build.

I wouldn't crack my fresh motor open just to see if this works, Trust me, if I was a couple years prior, I would definitely of gone VE. Haha, I remember when Matt Back Vass Solids were the hype...

rbs14kouki

08-17-2014, 09:25 PM

With stock p11 cams you should be find !!! I saw stock bottom ends with vvl conversion done before !!!

rbs14kouki

08-17-2014, 09:26 PM

Have a good read

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=372528&st=0

JSimpson

11-26-2014, 01:02 PM

Assuming most of you guys are rocking high HP SRs with multi-plate clutches, any of you guys using the Mazworx hydraulic release bearing kit? I recently switched from a OS Giken twin to an Exedy Triple on my SR22VET and need to find a way to release the clutch without having an NFL linebacker's left thigh haha

jr_ss

12-01-2014, 06:55 PM

The only thing I can add is it is suppose to help with High Rpm shifts.

I am rocking an Exedy Twin, but utilizing the factory slave/fork setup.

Imarvin240

12-08-2014, 07:19 AM

s13silvia123

12-09-2014, 11:17 AM

Here you go:

you guys have any flow analysis for the intake manifold?

I would like to see it.

brndck

12-09-2014, 12:14 PM

Autotech do you have rough price on that manifold? Having a plenum that clears the hood would sure help me out.

JSimpson

12-09-2014, 12:18 PM

Here's how my SR22VE-T is coming along, up at Touge Factory.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag224/Imarvin240/214_zpsb054b495.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/Imarvin240/media/214_zpsb054b495.jpg.html)

Who polished your stainless exhaust manifold? Also if you don't mine telling what they charged to have this done? Thanks!

RalliartRsX

12-09-2014, 12:25 PM

Who polished your stainless exhaust manifold? Also if you don't mine telling what they charged to have this done? Thanks!

Please use even a little thought and try to realize just how much (or well, how little) sense the question you are asking holds............And how "polish" will react to the extreme heat of an exhaust manifold :tweak:

I have a feeling it is ceramic/high temp coated :2f2f:

:)

JSimpson

12-09-2014, 12:53 PM

Please use even a little thought and try to realize just how much (or well, how little) sense the question you are asking holds............And how "polish" will react to the extreme heat of an exhaust manifold :tweak:

I have a feeling it is ceramic/high temp coated :2f2f:

:)

Well sir you just proved to be quite the know-it-all, know nothing zilvian. I've been around and raced professional level cars of all sorts with engines vastly higher performance than these (including turbo engines) with nearly perfectly sealed engine bays and on WOT for ~85% of a lap with engines that make far more hp than these (and cost well over $50k), and believe it or not, many of them have polished manifolds. Raw thin gauge stainless polished to a mirror with zero coating... So saying I need to "use even a little thought" in my question, when my question pertains to a service good enough for Indy Car, Indy Lights, Champ Car Atlantic engines, as well as every sprint car and midget out there, is very disrespectful. I hope you find yourself some time to "google" about polishing stainless manifolds, and see what little or no difference it makes to heat in a manifold. After that see how stainless maintains its mirror polish even in extreme heat situations, and turns to a golden color.

I am not denying that thermal coating headers is a great idea, my point is that it makes a minute difference at best on a car like this and would still slightly burn/melt the carbon on the hood and heat up the brake lines and fluid reservoir regardless of what coating he has on them. A stainless blocking plate or 2 with gold heat tape or asbestos heat blanket would be best IF this was a serious problem on the car, and obviously after spending the time and $80-$100k building this car, he will make sure that is done correctly regardless of his methods.

The fact is you are more than likely a typical zilvia troll rocking some T2 turbod SR with a single disc clutch thinking you're the hottest shit around, and it would be appreciated that you only comment if you have valuable input with regards to the question at hand or any viable experience with a build of this magnitude in the past.
Thank you.