LET NISSAN HEAR YOUR VOICE! Go vote for the new IDx...

[dorkidori_s13]

Autoblog is having a vote that Nissan is paying attention to regarding the new IDx. S-Chassis owners, ALL OF YOU, this is your chance to have influence on getting a new car made! Take 5 seconds, click the link below and vote YES!!!

The IDx may not be the S16 Silvia weve all wanted, but at least its RWD, its 4cyl and its TURBO! Dont worry about the CVT scare thing, the car would be a 100% flop if Nissan didnt offer a manual option, but thats besides the point.


Get your voice heard, take 5 seconds, vote yes! Let Nissan know you want this car to be made!

Nissan IDx 'in the plan' for production, needs support from fans [w/poll] - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/15/nissan-idx-production-support-poll/)

[signals13]

Good looking out, I really hope this car comes out would definitely get one as a daily to keep the s13 as a track/project/ car.

[Konster]

I saw the concept car and honestly I hope it doesn't go into prudctuon. Looks like shit IMO.

[dorkidori_s13]

I saw the concept car and honestly I hope it doesn't go into prudctuon. Looks like shit IMO.

because it doesnt look like a silvia?

[Konster]

Not at all. Just don't like how the car looks in general. Even if it does go into production, hopefully it will have a manual transmission.

[EDacIouSX]

I honestly don't know why they are producing this car. They need to just make a new silvia already, it's stupid imo to make something that isn't a silvia and in a similar class. They screwed up and missed out on all the hype the FRS/BRZ has gotten because they had cold feet. Now they're releasing something similarish to what people were asking for but not what people were expecting.

Nissan fail.



This poll lacks a lot of statistically relevant information. no matter how many of us vote it will be difficult to have confidence that drawing a conclusion from that poll will have any real correlation to the question if it will be profitable to produce that car.

[rebornS14]

holycrap! people are voting "no never"!!!

[Marcus]

i voted "no, never"

I think what's even more surprising is the even distribution of the poll. (~30% each)

[adrians_s13]

Nissan fail.

^this

Nissan hasn't made the brightest decisions in the past, financially speaking...

[LEG1T]

Voted, No Never. That car looks horrid.

[dorkidori_s13]

its too bad all you guys voting no cant actually see past the concept ideas toward a more production based version.

nissan gives us a RWD, 4 cyl, turbo setup and it seems like a lot of folks hate it simply because its "ugly" and "not a silvia".

with some exterior tweaking and interior toning down, this car could be absolutely KILLER looking!

i did my own personal take on the car a few weeks back and toned things down a bit...

https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1461847_10152123307674529_73603471_n.jpg

though im sure most of you arent gonna dig this either :(

[mrturboextreme]

^^I think your take looks pretty good actually.

[Marcus]

Actually, you're probably right. every car i've purchased in stock form looks like garbage. (gs430, s14, 06 tacoma)

i'm not saying they shouldnt produce it, or i wouldnt buy it because its ugly. I voted no because theres other cars id waste my money on before this one. (and as i get older, i'd like to step up from the 4cyl into something a bit classier for a daily. hence the lexus boat i bought)

[KendallH]

Voted no. Car is ugly imo. Not saying I wouldn't buy a new Nissan RWD sport coupe, just not if it looked remotely like that. Back to the drawing board.

[ZX88]

this car is ugly as a concept. Just think how bad it will look when they try to reproduce for below 30K (if they go for that segment). Now toyota on the other hand is on the right track..

[dorkidori_s13]

soooooooooooooooo is anyone voting "YES"?

[aymaeid]

soooooooooooooooo is anyone voting "YES"?

i said yes simply because i want nissan to produce anything that doesnt look like so generic. i personally hate the style, but would love future nissan designs to go in any other direction but the current.

[future]

Can't even vote off my phone but if I could it would be no. That shit is hideous, any "toned" down version will still look like shit they missed the FRS/BRZ hype and have no chance. Nissan doesn't make cool cars anymore. Obviously I'm excluding the GTR.

[mrturboextreme]

i said yes simply because i want nissan to produce anything that doesnt look like so generic. i personally hate the style, but would love future nissan designs to go in any other direction but the current.

I agree. I only said yes because its different. Not a good different. But with a few changes it has potential to be really cool.

[Chaluska]

im definitely voting NO, because they are wasting money making a bullshit knockoff of a datsun, when they should be focusing on making a NEW S chassis

[dorkidori_s13]

lol how is a nissan a knockoff of a datsan when its the same company!?!?!? hahahhahah

[Konster]

its too bad all you guys voting no cant actually see past the concept ideas toward a more production based version.

nissan gives us a RWD, 4 cyl, turbo setup and it seems like a lot of folks hate it simply because its "ugly" and "not a silvia".

with some exterior tweaking and interior toning down, this car could be absolutely KILLER looking!

i did my own personal take on the car a few weeks back and toned things down a bit...

https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1461847_10152123307674529_73603471_n.jpg

though im sure most of you arent gonna dig this either :(

Ok, this looks pretty good.

[dorkidori_s13]

take the over the top concept ideas away from the car and apply more production based lines/materials/current design language in your head and the nissan IDx turns out as a pretty slick little car

[tauntdevil]

Though I doubt I will be able to afford it at all in any way, if I could purchase it, I would over the FRS and BRZ, etc just because I like the way it looks.

[Konster]

take the over the top concept ideas away from the car and apply more production based lines/materials/current design language in your head and the nissan IDx turns out as a pretty slick little car

Agreed. Hopefully it will have 300HP at least.

[sil14zenki]

yes... 1,000 times yes. a car never looks the same from the concept model.
and the more i look at the nismo version the more i can see where they're going with this idea. that and i love datsun 510's. i like that they went with oldschool datsun body lines. and not some futuristic (new supra) looking style. just my opinion. but i would def buy one.

[brndck]

I would take either one in a heartbeat. I love the styling. As long as they can make it snappy and responsive to drive, and slightly on the tail happy side, I'll take one of each.

[dorkidori_s13]

Agreed. Hopefully it will have 300HP at least.

im gonna take an educated guess and say 180-235hp. im guessing is its gonna be over the 200hp side to compete with the FRS

[fatduece]

Voted NO. We need a real car. Coupe, boost and RWD. We dont need another kia soul or that lame scion xb.

[Matej]

its too bad all you guys voting no cant actually see past the concept ideas toward a more production based version.

nissan gives us a RWD, 4 cyl, turbo setup and it seems like a lot of folks hate it simply because its "ugly" and "not a silvia".
Why should anyone have to see past the concept? It is their job to make a concept that everyone will like.

For example, the Kia Stinger concept looks great, has a manual transmission, and I immediately knew I like it, without needing to 'let it grow on me' or having to look past anything.
Who knows, maybe the production version of the Kia will turn out terrible while the IDx will end up looking great, but right now I am not convinced of that.

[Konster]

im gonna take an educated guess and say 180-235hp. im guessing is its gonna be over the 200hp side to compete with the FRS

That's what I was thinking as well.

[dorkidori_s13]

Voted NO. We need a real car. Coupe, boost and RWD. We dont need another kia soul or that lame scion xb.

uh, the IDx IS a coupe, the IDx IS turbo and the IDx IS RWD :mepoke:

[nujabe]

yeah im sorry my money is going to toyota/ subaru.. I just wanted a simple rwd car not some thing ugly that i have to tweak more to like more... also you can bet you're ass this car will set you back on the nice options over 30k.. where the fuck does that lead any room for mods.. frs are already sinking below the 20k mark for a used one...

[EDacIouSX]

I like where the car is going. I voted maybe because my first New car purchase will be heavily thought out and i'm not sure i would buy this just yet...

[landins13]

its too bad all you guys voting no cant actually see past the concept ideas toward a more production based version.

nissan gives us a RWD, 4 cyl, turbo setup and it seems like a lot of folks hate it simply because its "ugly" and "not a silvia".

with some exterior tweaking and interior toning down, this car could be absolutely KILLER looking!

i did my own personal take on the car a few weeks back and toned things down a bit...

https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1461847_10152123307674529_73603471_n.jpg

though im sure most of you arent gonna dig this either :(

with some tweaking it can look like a short underpowered charger.

[Bumpkin203]

Voted NO. We need a real car. Coupe, boost and RWD. We dont need another kia soul or that lame scion xb.

Ummmm thats what it is, its a coupe, 4cyl turbo, and rwd. How is that in any way close to a kia soul or scion xb? (Dori beat me to it)

I like it but ive made up my mind that my 350z is the newest "sports" car I will ever own. They are starting to get really techy and complicated for me atleast.

[simmode1]

Damn this is a disappointing thread.

Voted yes because we been begging Nissan for an entry level, RWD, turbo coupe for 25 fucking years!

Can't believe you shits are voting no!
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7415/10976823874_4b3e79e79c_o.jpg
http://distilleryimage2.ak.instagram.com/e243f08e588111e3ba1212c564fc8c48_8.jpg
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1459293_633140903395355_396066732_n.jpg

[Broadfield]

^^^^^ Uhhh, yes please!

[doomviillain]

Its kind of hard to commit. Id probably take a toned down nismo version, but I still most likely wont be able to afford even that.

I know numbers aren't set in stone right now but what are we looking at in weight?

[badass8]

Voted Yes.

Lets be honest here.. a 240sx is a ugly ass car why do we choose to have it? Its the cheapest rwd car to throw aftermarket parts on and most of the time track it. A concept is always FAR from what the car will actually look like so I believe we should all say YES. I think yes because if we say NO I am sure Nissan will just go back to the ECONOMY route and make more hybrids and shitty Leafs.

[Bumpkin203]

Simmode1 that last one looks very nice actually.

[simmode1]

^^^That's the beauty of the IDX concepts! They feature removable/interchangeable body panels, aero & headlights to create your own custom style, just like we already do on our S-chassis. That's why the concepts look like hodgepodges of different cars cobbled together. You can make them as mild or wild as you want... from the factory! OEM fit & finish with a warranty!

It's like Nissan looked through the Wheel Fitment Thread for trends or something!

I know numbers aren't set in stone right now but what are we looking at in weight?
Around the same as an S14 from what I remember reading, running their existing 1.6L turbo engine & priced to compete with the FRS.

This engine makes 197hp in the Nismo Juke on a dinky T20 turbo. But they also debuted a Nismo Sentra running the same engine but making 240hp. I'd love to see 197hp in the IDX Freeflow and 240hp in the Nismo IDX.

Apparently, Nissan is still using bolt-on turbos in the Juke instead of integrated manifolds, which is great, IMO. But the flange is a proprietory design, so there might be a problem sourcing bolt-on turbos that fit. Which shouldn't be much of a problem once this engine goes into a car the aftermarket actually gives a fuck about.

[ixfxi]

As much as I like old NISSAN

I think new NISSAN wont be seeing any of my money with a car like that

Without even discussing the powertrain/drivetrain, the car looks really bad.. its up there with the Cube, except the Cube is supposed to be ugly.

[simmode1]

^^^You're actually really knowledgeable, so I'd love to hear your opinion on the powertrain. I know the 6spd CVT is bullshit, but I don't know alot about the engine they're speculating about using. I just know it's in the Juke and it's turbo. Whats the deal?

[tacobellman_2007]

Voted no because I don't want to do another 5 lug conversion.

[Kingbaby]

^^^

Ha! true story!

I like the idea...doesn't really see reality most the time

[future]

Voted no because I don't want to do another 5 lug conversion.

New signature. Thanks lol

[TN4sty 305]

The fact that everyone keeps bashing what the car looks like and how "ugly it looks proves how ignorant and irrational our society is now. Everyone is so fixated on a new "silvia" when you dont even know how to appreciate what Nissan is trying to do.

First and foremost, Concepts almost never look like their production models. This is an envision of a RWD Turbo 4cyl coupe that we all have wanted from Nissan. Of course it is not a silvia but albeit, it is something we have wanted for the pst 20 years. If this car succeeds, they will definitely bring back the silvia name. They are just trying to take a shot at the RWD sports compact game.

Like most of my friends have been telling me, if they do bring back the silvia, it will start to diminish sales for the 370Z which is their flagship sports car at the moment. They want to be able to have an entry level coupe sports car that can compete with the fad that the FRS brought to the world. You guys have to open your eyes and stop living in the past. We are moving foward not backward and if you cant embrace change then buy a time machine and go back to 1998 and buy a S14 new and stay there. This is happening and I voted yes. Hell i would buy the concept if I could.

Seeing that it will slot below the 370Z, it wont be 300hp. It will most likely be 200-250 (250 to the flywheel that is). So don't have high hopes for the power output.

[240sxfan6882]

What Nissan has put out there is a radical concept that can be chiseled into something really sweet and awesome looking. I'm pretty excited to see what Nissan can do with it, and hopefully they will.

Anyone remember the 350z concept?
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/attachments/f106/15990-autoenews-nissans-baby-250z-returns-concept.jpg

Production:
http://srv2.betterparts.org/images/nissan-350z-14.jpg

[driftsucky]

I was just about to bring up the 350 concept. That thing was HIDEOUS!!! Even the G35/350GT concept was kinda off the mark
http://www.japanese-concept-cars.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Infiniti-G35-Coupe-11.jpg

That said, I voted yes because I would prefer a Nissan to a Toyota and nobody else really has anything to offer. We'll work out the looks when it gets here.

[tloh]

The 510 was before the Silvia. So why you fanboys say bring old car back when the car it represents is older. 510.

[ixfxi]

The fact that everyone keeps bashing what the car looks like and how "ugly it looks proves how ignorant and irrational our society is now. Everyone is so fixated on a new "silvia" when you dont even know how to appreciate what Nissan is trying to do.

First of all, I dont care what they are trying to do. I care about what they are going to do. I hate feelers, and the fact that NISSAN is feeling out the community to double-check if they're able to recoup their investment is annoying. NISSAN is a huge company that spans across the globe, they need to put their big boy pants on and build a car that they think will sell and not worry so much about it being a flop. For fucks sake, ALL the parts nowadays are shared across the platform (smart move). Compare that to the 90s when there were so many unique parts for each car, no wonder they were hurting financially. But thats not the point here. The point is that this is not a 240SX or a Silvia, its a Datsun 510 spinoff.

As for taking away sales from the Z, well... thats just what happens. As a manufacturer, you cant just keep creating cars expecting the creation of one product not to effect another. But its no different than BMW with their over-saturated product line-up. Do we really need an X3, X5 and X6? These companies are just greedy and trying to fulfill each niche. Its all sales numbers and if you ask me, the 370Z is over-priced to begin with. Its a nice car, but I'll stick with straight-6 motors. And that brings me back to... OLD NISSAN.


^^^You're actually really knowledgeable, so I'd love to hear your opinion on the powertrain. I know the 6spd CVT is bullshit, but I don't know alot about the engine they're speculating about using. I just know it's in the Juke and it's turbo. Whats the deal?

I wish I could tell you something, but I know absolutely nothing about this car. Even when I was at the LA auto show I totally skipped over it because it did not catch my attention. There are so many offerings from so many other companies, why would I pay attention to this trashcan? Maybe Mr K was right when he said that the Versa is a more fun car than the current Z.

[tloh]

First of all, I dont care what they are trying to do. I care about what they are going to do. I hate feelers, and the fact that NISSAN is feeling out the community to double-check if they're able to recoup their investment is annoying. NISSAN is a huge company that spans across the globe, they need to put their big boy pants on and build a car that they think will sell and not worry so much about it being a flop. For fucks sake, ALL the parts nowadays are shared across the platform (smart move). Compare that to the 90s when there were so many unique parts for each car, no wonder they were hurting financially. But thats not the point here. The point is that this is not a 240SX or a Silvia, its a Datsun 510 spinoff.

As for taking away sales from the Z, well... thats just what happens. As a manufacturer, you cant just keep creating cars expecting the creation of one product not to effect another. But its no different than BMW with their over-saturated product line-up. Do we really need an X3, X5 and X6? These companies are just greedy and trying to fulfill each niche. Its all sales numbers and if you ask me, the 370Z is over-priced to begin with. Its a nice car, but I'll stick with straight-6 motors. And that brings me back to... OLD NISSAN.

You do realize the WHOLE POINT of them using a v6 and not a inline right?

I'm sorry you prefer it because it's easier to work on when it breaks, but with a new car stuff breaking isn't the concern.

But when dealing with a heavier car, the weight balance needs to be that much tighter with balance, because heavier the car, the touchier the turn in and feel is, if the weight is off it's harder to judge and makes for understeer rwd cars.

BUT moving the weight off the front, like a v6 does, is a different story :) Which is why the v6 is used putting much of the weight behind the strut towers. For..... get this.... BETTER handling!!!! omg!!!! >.>

Look up vq35 swaps in 240sx and see where the motor sits, it's a weight distribution made in heaven. BUT I know most 240 owners just want to slide there car around and into shit, and don't care about proper weight balance when it comes to driving on a track or autox.

[dorkidori_s13]

What Nissan has put out there is a radical concept that can be chiseled into something really sweet and awesome looking. I'm pretty excited to see what Nissan can do with it, and hopefully they will.

Anyone remember the 350z concept?
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/attachments/f106/15990-autoenews-nissans-baby-250z-returns-concept.jpg

:picardfp: that was NOT the 350z concept, it was called the 250z and it was built on a modified S14 chassis. the 350z concept actually LOOKED like the 350z.

I was just about to bring up the 350 concept. That thing was HIDEOUS!!! Even the G35/350GT concept was kinda off the mark
http://www.japanese-concept-cars.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Infiniti-G35-Coupe-11.jpg

:picardfp: thats NOT a G35/350gt, its the G37 concept that was shown in 2006.

[tloh]

:picardfp: that was NOT the 350z concept, it was called the 250z and it was built on a modified S14 chassis. the 350z concept actually LOOKED like the 350z.



:picardfp: thats NOT a G35/350gt, its the G37 concept that was shown in 2006.

dorki wins

[driftsucky]

meh. whatevs. you get the point stickler to every detail of everything

[ReallyBroke]

I voted no, never.

the car is so mother fucking ugly. it makes me angry.

I think the designers at Nissan have been hitting the crack pipe too hard.

...and its not the only newer Nissan that looks like crap, I really don't get what they are going for

if having small ugly LED headlights, no B pillar, and a stupid glass roof is the future, I don't want them to make a new Silvia anyway. it would look like shit.

[simmode1]

Voted no because I don't want to do another 5 lug conversion.
Please tell me you were just kidding...

Why do you think you'd need to do a 5 lug conversion? The concepts are running F1 style 1 lug hubs and wheels. Even if they released it with 4x114.3, there's decent selection now (thanks all to the S-Chassis) and if that's not enough for you, look at how the aftermarket responded to the FRS/BRZ's shitty 5x100 lug pattern. Selection has exploded. No one is doing 5x114.3 conversions on those.

I really can't believe all this negativity on a Nissan board like Zilvia. The Silvia community doesn't support this car. The Z community doesn't support this car. The 510 community doesn't support this car.

For yeeeeears, we begged, petitioned & blew up Nissan's Facebook page for fucking what? Man, WTF. Now I won't even get mad at Nissan if they trash this idea and tell the enthusiast community to fuck off as they release the next gen Juke and Murano cabriolet.

[DJ 21o3]

I would like to see what the production model looks like, but I definitely won't want to touch it if it is anywhere close to the concept. Sorry but when I get out of my 240, i always catch myself turning around to look at it as I walk away. I KNOW i couldn't stand to keep looking at that concept.

Yes we all wanted Nissan to make a RWD Turbocharged Coupe, but we also have been begging for the 90's styling. Sorry but everyone still loves the Mazda RX7, Mk4 Toyota Supra, and the S15. Look at the Supra concept for an example. A lot of Supra fanboi are hating on the futuristic design. Sure most of them probably won't be able to afford the new Supra, but it shows that manufactures just aren't hitting the mark for their targets. The FRS/BRZ was off the mark in the fact that it is powerless, and I personally had to have the design grow on me. Now I would personally buy a BRZ and turbocharge that rather than buy a vehicle I can't even stand to look at.

Now all of that could easily change if the production model comes out sexy.

[PoorMans180SX]

If the Scion FR-S had actually looked like the final concept car, I would be saving for one right now. Why? Because it had great, curvy, sexy lines, and had classic sports car proportions. I don't want a box on wheels to drive around, if I wanted a nostalgic car I'd buy an AE or original 510. I hate when car companies try and make new versions of old cars.

I'll just leave you all with some pics of the FRS concept because it's so good looking.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/04/37-scion-fr-s-concept.jpg

http://www.jadecrew.com/wp-content/gallery/scion-frs/17-scion-fr-s-concept-ny.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Five_Axis_Scion_FRS_Concept_(front)[email protected]

[acslater9]

I voted yes simply because I'm tired of seeing the same shit out on the road. And no the design is fine, I love the 510 Datsun look.

[ReallyBroke]

I really can't believe all this negativity on a Nissan board like Zilvia. The Silvia community doesn't support this car. The Z community doesn't support this car. The 510 community doesn't support this car.



Point proven, its ugly as fuck

[tacobellman_2007]

Please tell me you were just kidding...

Why do you think you'd need to do a 5 lug conversion? The concepts are running F1 style 1 lug hubs and wheels. Even if they released it with 4x114.3, there's decent selection now (thanks all to the S-Chassis) and if that's not enough for you, look at how the aftermarket responded to the FRS/BRZ's shitty 5x100 lug pattern. Selection has exploded. No one is doing 5x114.3 conversions on those.

I really can't believe all this negativity on a Nissan board like Zilvia. The Silvia community doesn't support this car. The Z community doesn't support this car. The 510 community doesn't support this car.

For yeeeeears, we begged, petitioned & blew up Nissan's Facebook page for fucking what? Man, WTF. Now I won't even get mad at Nissan if they trash this idea and tell the enthusiast community to fuck off as they release the next gen Juke and Murano cabriolet.

Lol I WAS kidding.

(I actually voted yes btw. No matter how bad the IDx looks, I believe this could be the restart of something for Nissan)

[Matej]

Anyone remember the 350z concept?
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/attachments/f106/15990-autoenews-nissans-baby-250z-returns-concept.jpg

Production:
http://srv2.betterparts.org/images/nissan-350z-14.jpg
But those things both look terrible. :)

I have not cared for any car Nissan has put out after the S15, which was not even sold in the US. Not because I am some kind of Silvia RWD turbo blah blah fanboy or a 90s purist, I just think all of their cars after that have been hideous or generic, or dumb niche cars for markets that Nissan itself tried to create. Sure the GTR may be awesome, but it is not my cup of tea. And buying the IDx or any ugly 'love it or hate it' car based purely on brand loyalty will only make that brand slowly deteriorate instead of forcing them to reevaluate their strategies.
That actually goes for all Japanese automakers. It seems that today South Korea is to the auto industry what Japan used to be twenty years ago.

[babowc]

Looks like shit.
Voted, never.

[dorkidori_s13]

im amused that everyone hates it based off looks. nevermind that this thing might just kick the shit out of the FRS and perform like a baus... all im hearing is "it looks like shit KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!"

i really dig it, especially the NISMO version. there is a lot of heritage in this car INCLUDING THE CSP311 SILVIA! the car was built with influence taken directly from the silvia, the laurel, the skyline and the bluebird (aka the 510)

[BossHogg]

smash the quarter panel, slam it, negative 20 camber, leave some panel's unpainted, and throw in a coupon for Megan coilovers when they come out. Then it will get more "yes" votes from zilvia.

besides wasn't it already confirmed that they are making it?

[s14kkouki]

voted no. shit is ugly.

[simmode1]

smash the quarter panel, slam it, negative 20 camber, leave some panel's unpainted, and throw in a coupon for Megan coilovers when they come out. Then it will get more "yes" votes from zilvia.

besides wasn't it already confirmed that they are making it?
Lol! It would fit right in here at Zilvia then!

Yep. They've confirmed it's going into production after overwhelming critical praise when it debuted at TAS.

But overwhelming hate from the US debuted might make them change their mind. They're still just in the valuation and market strategy planning phase.

Seriously, It's so confusing to me seeing the cars that get all the compliments in the Wheel Fitment or Aero threads with all these panels that don't fit OEM smooth, rivet holes, roof spoilers and other pointless add-ons, mismatched front ends, multicolored paint jobs and other shit...and a manufacturer offers the same thing NEW only to be shit upon.

Yeah, I like the Stinger concept better at the moment. But until its confirmed for production, I'd rather not see the IDX dead on arrival and we're back to just choosing between FRS/BRZ or Genesis Coupe again for the under $30k club.

[ReallyBroke]

It looks like the retarded yuppy child of a 510.

I love 510's. I see how this is SUPPOSED to look like a 510, but it doesn't. 510's look cool, this looks like crap.

maybe they will clean it up for production, then I will eat my words, but right now my opinion is that it looks like total shit, and I doubt anybody will buy it.

[OutlawLui]

wow.....that's no frs or ft-1 lmao

[mechanicalmoron]

because it doesnt look like a silvia?

It looks almost exactly like some of the earlier ones.

But just so goddamn ugly. There are some things that just don't work in newer styles with newer materials. It's hideous.

Nevertheless, I lied that I'd buy it, because I want them to make SOME sort of cheaper sports car.

[FaLKoN240]

Please tell me you were just kidding...

look at how the aftermarket responded to the FRS/BRZ's shitty 5x100 lug pattern. Selection has exploded. No one is doing 5x114.3 conversions on those.

Actually, most, if not all FRS/BRZ cars are running conversion spacers or this.

Megan Racing (http://www.meganracing.com/product.asp?prodid=1580&catid=97)

I know first hand the Fatlace FRS has conversion spacers to run all the VOLK and WORK wheels you've seen on it.

[dorkidori_s13]

Seriously, It's so confusing to me seeing the cars that get all the compliments in the Wheel Fitment or Aero threads with all these panels that don't fit OEM smooth, rivet holes, roof spoilers and other pointless add-ons, mismatched front ends, multicolored paint jobs and other shit...and a manufacturer offers the same thing NEW only to be shit upon..

SECONDED!!!:bowdown:

[unwtdhero]

States personal opinion on said concept, gets told why he should like it....
Really? If we all lie and act content where will we be? It will be 5 yrs later still complaining about nissans dedication to commuter cars. Dorkidori buy one, and then start the bandwagon ;)

[simmode1]

Actually, most, if not all FRS/BRZ cars are running conversion spacers or this.

Megan Racing (http://www.meganracing.com/product.asp?prodid=1580&catid=97)

I know first hand the Fatlace FRS has conversion spacers to run all the VOLK and WORK wheels you've seen on it.
That's news to me. It was one of my gripes about the FRS originally. I thought the aftermarket wheel companies had just gone ape-shit for 5x100 or something....

Well, even if the IDX came 4x114.3 (which I doubt it will), I'd still take that over 5x100 any day. Got my fingers crossed for 5x114.3 stock on 17's though!

[kingkilburn]

That car IS a Silvia, just not the Silvia any of you are familiar with. Nissan did make cars before 1989.

[ixfxi]

You do realize the WHOLE POINT of them using a v6 and not a inline right?

Look up vq35 swaps in 240sx and see where the motor sits, it's a weight distribution made in heaven. BUT I know most 240 owners just want to slide there car around and into shit, and don't care about proper weight balance when it comes to driving on a track or autox.

I dont need to look up shit. Look up practically any BMW and you'll see that they've been using straight 6 motors _for_ever_. They're also known for building some of the best motors and most balanced cars. Better be careful, Aaron or Dave might chime in and say how much they like(d) their BMW over their NISSAN.

Personally, I think there are higher manufacturing costs with the straight 6, in addition to packaging issues, plus efficiency (i think). But all of that I dont care about. Again, I am not a new NISSAN customer, I am a supporter of old NISSAN. I like the Z32, Z33, Z34... but I would never own one. I like the S30 Z. I like the S13. These cars appeal to me. Not some fugly piece of junk car with random letters for a name.

:picardfp: that was NOT the 350z concept, it was called the 250z and it was built on a modified S14 chassis. the 350z concept actually LOOKED like the 350z.

See attached photo. I think I actually snapped that photo.. many many years ago.


I have not cared for any car Nissan has put out after the S15, which was not even sold in the US. Not because I am some kind of Silvia RWD turbo blah blah fanboy or a 90s purist, I just think all of their cars after that have been hideous or generic, or dumb niche cars for markets that Nissan itself tried to create. Sure the GTR may be awesome, but it is not my cup of tea. And buying the IDx or any ugly 'love it or hate it' car based purely on brand loyalty will only make that brand slowly deteriorate instead of forcing them to reevaluate their strategies.
That actually goes for all Japanese automakers. It seems that today South Korea is to the auto industry what Japan used to be twenty years ago.

I totally agree. Even the GTR, I have absolutely no interest in owning a technologically-laden car like that. I'de rather buy a Z06 Corvette which is easy for normal humans to service (me included, and I'm an idiot). Plus, it not a piece of shit automatic.

"but its a dual clu..."

^ shut the fuck up

[Cheesy Doriftos]

im amused that everyone hates it based off looks. nevermind that this thing might just kick the shit out of the FRS and perform like a baus... all im hearing is "it looks like shit KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!"



performance is cool and all but people also care about how the car looks as well. the nissan gt-r became a performance benchmark when it dropped, but people still didn't like how it looked (i did) and bought better looking cars that the gt-r outperformed.

[kingkilburn]

Can we stop saying it looks like a 510 when it very obviously looks like the original Silvia?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/SILVIA_CSP311_001.JPG


Jesus fucking christ people, they gave us WHAT WE ASKED FOR. A new Silvia.

[ReallyBroke]

Can we stop saying it looks like a 510 when it very obviously looks like the original Silvia?




Jesus fucking christ people, they gave us WHAT WE ASKED FOR. A new Silvia.

hahaha, wow! your fucking right!

something must have gotten lost in translation.

...those crazy japanese assholes

[simmode1]

Can we stop saying it looks like a 510 when it very obviously looks like the original Silvia?

Jesus fucking christ people, they gave us WHAT WE ASKED FOR. A new Silvia.
I see DNA from the CSP311 Silvia, the Hakosuka Skyline and the 510 when I look at the IDX. Similar to how Toyota drew upon the 2000GT, AE86 and Celica Supras for the FRS.

Some Silvia DNA? Yes. S-Chassis DNA? No. Do I care? Hell nah.

If the Stinger is stillborn, I'm getting the IDX as long as Nissan doesn't screw it up en route to production.
I dont need to look up shit. Look up practically any BMW and you'll see that they've been using straight 6 motors _for_ever_. They're also known for building some of the best motors and most balanced cars. Better be careful, Aaron or Dave might chime in and say how much they like(d) their BMW over their NISSAN.
Agreed. I support the IDX, but c'mon. BMW is prestigous for a reason. Most of those cars are phenomenal performers. If the new 228i was under $30k, I wouldn't care much about the IDX or the Stinger. Handling, looks, power & prestige... Fucking BMW, bro. Grown man cars right there.

Even when it comes time to buy either the IDX or Stinger, they're still gonna have to compete against pre-owned 3 series for my money.

On another note: You know another car I though was ugly as all fuck when I first saw it? Pignose S13 coupe. Dear god. But look at all the potential in that little shitbox. Now, I try to look past the obvious.

[kingkilburn]

Even if they don't give us those Nismo fenders you know we'll see a Rocket Bunny kit for it, so win either way. lol

[waxball88]

I can respect the influence from the older generation of Nissan. But i don't think a specifically enthusiast/purist oriented "old-styled" sports coupe is going to do well, i just don't foresee the market being THAT big. I'd bargain to say people buying a new car want cool, futuristic looking cars when they buy a "sports" car. People want cool factory styling, features, not boxy and simple. Its kind of confusing Nissan would do this. If you're not looking to make a sports car and are worried about taking sales from the Z series, what exactly does this car aim to do? Another house wife grocery getter thats slightly sporty? Although they do not peak my interest at least the 350/370 look "up to date." I just don't forsee this appealing to the masses, maybe they'll come out looking better in production. Maybe nissan will offer lots of cool factory upgrades and options, aero, etc. Maybe, Maybe, Maybe.

[simmode1]

^^^I dunno, man. Camaro looks just as boxy & retro to me. Seems to be doing alright.

I really feel like there'd be less complaining if these concepts were just one solid color like most ppl would order from the dealer.

[kingkilburn]

Marketing entry level sports coupes to young women is and has been the standard for decades. How do you think they get all those V6 Mustangs and Camaros out there? lol

[simmode1]

^^^Smart. Enthusiasts will buy a few Nismos. But secrataries will buy the Freeflow in droves and the next generation of drifters will buy them 2nd hand to swap cheap Coyote 5.0's into them.

Then they'll circlejerk on whatever the Zilvia replacement is about who's aero is legit vs who's is knockoff and why'd Matt Powers Jr ditched his OG turbo motor and raised his ride height.

And the circle continues.

[kingkilburn]

Having basic freeflows out there in droves with easily obtainable nismo pieces(bodywork, gauge setups, wheels, engine/suspension upgrades, etc) sounds like a recipe for a strong enthusiast fanbase.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

Having basic freeflows out there in droves with easily obtainable chinese replicas of nismo pieces(bodywork, gauge setups, wheels, engine/suspension upgrades, etc) sounds like a recipe for a strong enthusiast fanbase.

fixed that for you.


on topic, i hope they build this car. i think it's neat. dunno if i can make a business case for it, though. a vast majority of "enthusiasts" don't buy new cars. they complain about how these types of cars don't exist, and then when a company does release one, they'll complain about how it's possible to spend the same amount of money on a 15 year old car and make it more capable. so. yeah.

[Turb0wned]

Wait, Nissan is making the new Dodge Charger?

[fatduece]

Ummmm thats what it is, its a coupe, 4cyl turbo, and rwd. How is that in any way close to a kia soul or scion xb? (Dori beat me to it) This thing just looks like a weird ass hybrid between an suv and a sadan.

Damn this is a disappointing thread.

Voted yes because we been begging Nissan for an entry level, RWD, turbo coupe for 25 fucking years!

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1459293_633140903395355_396066732_n.jpg If it looks like this then I would vote YES, but reality is cold and harsh. We all know its not gonna look like that. Those are all pipe dreams.

Voted no because I don't want to do another 5 lug conversion. ^ Lol, worthy.

[CaptainVlad]

This thing looks like absolute garbage....

[kingkilburn]

Copycats of small time Japanese tuner companies is one thing. Copycats of the 5th largest automaker in the world is something entirely different.

[hockeyplaye8511]

im amused that everyone hates it based off looks. nevermind that this thing might just kick the shit out of the FRS and perform like a baus... all im hearing is "it looks like shit KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!"

i really dig it, especially the NISMO version. there is a lot of heritage in this car INCLUDING THE CSP311 SILVIA! the car was built with influence taken directly from the silvia, the laurel, the skyline and the bluebird (aka the 510)

See dori im not confident itll outperform the FRS. Probably going to use the MR engine outta the Juke and weight the same or more. Only thing it has going for it performance wise is the short wheelbase. Weight balance is another thing too

[dorkidori_s13]

the car will HAVE TO outperform the FRS if nissan wants any shot in hell with the new platform.

nissan and toyota have a HUGE rivalry with one another and have done for decades. count on the FRS pushing the IDx to perform!

[crunchy_g]

I voted YES for Nissan to build the car. Yes the concepts "external" looks are not eye pleasing. But I also looked at the specs. Nissan is offering a RWD coupe, 4cyl turbo for supposedly less than 30K. IDK about you guys but I've been waiting for a car like this from Nissan for years!!! It'll be good on gas in stock form (high 20's-30mpg. daily driving) & if you wanna make it a track monster slap on a bigger turbo, injectors, etc. Its already light weight. Nissan is killing it with the GTR. There is no doubt this car would be BOSS in Nismo form. I see it like this.. 1)IDx, 2)370Z successor, & 3) GT-R. Nissan Bring back what Toyota, Honda, & Mazda won't! Cars that enthusiats want!

[simmode1]

I don't see how it could possibly NOT out perform the FRS. If they are about the same weight but one is turbo and the other is not... The IDX is likely to have much more usable torque. And assuming Nissan just uses the 197hp Juke engine, you acquire another what, 40hp from basic bolt-ons and a tune for around a $1g? How far does $1g take you in an FRS? A set of fucking tires.
If it looks like this then I would vote YES, but reality is cold and harsh. We all know its not gonna look like that. Those are all pipe dreams.
You realize the only difference in that photoshop and the concept is that they painted it and slammed it on Meisters. What makes you think you couldn't do the same things in real life? Some ppl just lack vision and you gotta draw it out for them... smh.

But we all know the side pipes aren't likely to see production. Small gripe though.

[ixfxi]

See dori im not confident itll outperform the FRS.

the car will HAVE TO outperform the FRS if nissan wants any shot in hell with the new platform.

I don't see how it could possibly NOT out perform the FRS.

who cares if the car out-performs the FRS? i mean, since when is the FRS considered a fast car?

[OBEEWON]

FRS drivetrain is max sucky.
Also that rendering is horrible. Looks like a piece of poo.

[dorkidori_s13]

HOLY SHIT! IT DOES RUN!

Nissan IDx Nismo Driven (w/video) - Import Tuner (http://www.importtuner.com/events/1401_nissan_idx_nismo_driven/)



i THINK the NISMO edition is stick, listen to the exhaust notes when theyre moving the car around, it sounds like normal manual revs

[dorkidori_s13]

THREAD IS NOW CLOSED!

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http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/551435-official-2016-nissan-idx-thread.html