The Official 2016 Nissan IDx Thread

[simmode1]

It's coming! Datsun 510 successor beats Silvia revival to production and I'm not complaining!

Nissan Confirms The Rear-Drive IDx Concept Will Go To Production (http://jalopnik.com/nissan-confirms-the-rear-drive-idx-concept-will-go-to-p-1501793053)

Let's start compiling the discussion, pics and photochops in here so we don't have to wade through the over non-specific RWD drive thread.

What are your thoughts? Excited? Skeptical? Blah? Will Zilvia need to change it's name? lol
http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2014/01/Nissan-IDx-Concepts-0.jpg

[g35gabby]

Till it hits a show room it is over no value IMO to discuss or chop. every time I see something like this and then IF they make it to production.... It is usually a huge let down when it finally arrives compared to what it "might have been".

[exitspeed]

Awesome new thread. I can't express how excited I am for this. I WILL be making room in my budget for one. Fuck n A.

[zooopreme]

Watch Nissan pull a fast one by making it FWD. I'll laugh even harder when each trim will all come standard as automatic. Nismo model will have paddle shifters though ":P".

[drift freaq]

hmmm very interesting and cool.

[brndck]

I remember the last time they promised something compact, lightweight, and in this market, and then they released the Altima coupe.

[rvns14]

Nissan needs to make a business case for this sites are hosting polls.
Zilvians vote like Gray Davis your governor!

[exitspeed]

I remember the last time they promised something compact, lightweight, and in this market, and then they released the Altima coupe.

Yeah but that's gone now. They're obviously serious about it.

Side note. Had a talk with the wife and she's on board with me getting one when it comes out. For all the married guys out there they know that is half the battle. ;)

[simmode1]

I remember the last time they promised something compact, lightweight, and in this market, and then they released the Altima coupe.
I know, right? I'm a little skeptical too. It's great news, but they could screw it up. I hope they don't.

Here are my concerns:
- Tranditional 6 speed manual trans for the Nismo, please. You can keep that CVT BS on the Freeflow.
- Please make more power than the FRS. 240hp from a 2800lbs turbo car sounds like a perfect starting point, kinda like the S15.
- Bolt-on turbo, please! None of this integrated manifold BS! Must be upgrade friendly.
- Refine the design but don't neuter it too much. I love how bold it is, incomparison to a traditional (yet beautiful) looking sportscar concept like the GT4 Stinger.

Side note. Had a talk with the wife and she's on board with me getting one when it comes out. For all the married guys out there they know that is half the battle. ;)
Ditto! Showed my wife and she like the IDX too!

But that was before the Stinger concept, so I dunno yet. I'm on the fence about these two. If the Stinger becomes real, it's gonna be real interesting when it's time to shop.

[drift freaq]

Nissan needs to make a business case for this sites are hosting polls.
Zilvians vote like Gray Davis your governor!
????? Gray Davis was the Governor like 11 years ago dude and he was recalled. LOL

You're not making much sense here. lol

[1 88 U]

So when this ugly thing fails will Nissan give up all hopes in this market for another 15 years?

[unwtdhero]

If the idx comes out, it needs to come manual. PERIOD. Otherwise i will buy a kia, because i have a job and 149 dollars. Plus the stinger looks better and more refined imho

[brndck]

Yeah but that's gone now. They're obviously serious about it.

I also remember when they promised a new pathfinder, and then they gave us this
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2013/03/2014-nissan-pathfinder-hybrid-628.jpg

Here are my concerns:
- Tranditional 6 speed manual trans for the Nismo, please. You can keep that CVT BS on the Freeflow.
- Please make more power than the FRS. 240hp from a 2800lbs turbo car sounds like a perfect starting point, kinda like the S15.
- Bolt-on turbo, please! None of this integrated manifold BS! Must be upgrade friendly.
- Refine the design but don't neuter it too much. I love how bold it is, incomparison to a traditional (yet beautiful) looking sportscar concept like the GT4 Stinger.

-6spd hell yes, but at LEAST a 5spd manual trans option instead of the slushbox
-240 hp from a 2800lb car would be awesome but i have a feeling this thing will end up like the genesis. 220hp and 3k+ pounds of piggishness
-how about just 240hp NA
-NOPE. Just manufacture the nismo idx with no design changes and point me to where i sign on the dotted line.

[simmode1]

^^^Genesis coupe 2.0t has 274hp now. Where you been, man? It's not as piggish as the media makes it sound. Compare it to a G35 coupe, which has similar specs and the GC is great for the price.

The reason I hope for a 240hp turbo engine in the Nismo IDx is because the Nismo Sentra at TAS and the Detroit Auto show was running the same proposed engine - the 1.8T from the Juke beefed up with a bigger turbo.

I can't understand any reason why they'd give the Nismo IDx less power than the Nismo Sentra, especially if they're running the same motor...

As for the 5spd manual... Shit... I can't remember the last time I saw a new car running a 5spd. 2007, maybe? Nissan could save money by recycling the 370Z's 6spd mated to the 1.8T. At least we know that trans is tested and should stand up to any abused the dinky 1.8T could throw at it.

Now, where are you getting the idea that Nissan can produce a small displacement engine capable of making 240hp N/A?! This ain't Honda. And I, for one, have ZERO interest in an N/A IDX.

[exitspeed]

I also remember when they promised a new pathfinder, and then they gave us this
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2013/03/2014-nissan-pathfinder-hybrid-628.jpg


Yeah, and your point? They gave us a FAR more competitive vehicle then the outgoing Pathfinder. I also happen to like it better than the previous model. A friend of mine had one and it felt like a two decade old vehicle (which it pretty much was). I also just bought a 2014 Pathfinder and the thing is awesome.

[supersayianjim]

It looks like the rouge!!

[simmode1]

Yo. More IDx and less CUV talk.

Can somebody photoshop the Freeflow as one solid color, please?!?

[exitspeed]

It looks like the rouge!!

You mean the Rouge looks like it since the Pathfinder is on its second model year and the new Rouge just came out last month.

[Future240]

Yo. More IDx and less CUV talk.

Can somebody photoshop the Freeflow as one solid color, please?!?

This.

I will give Nissan the benefit of the doubt. They are not stupid. They realize how popular the FRS and BRZ is. What Andy said about those cars being mid life crisis cars I at first just lauged off. This morning I saw a BRZ. As I drove by it was a middle aged man behind the wheel who looked old enough to be my dad.

Point being it seems they may know what they are talking about. With everyone clamoring for a turbo 4, I cannot seem them making it NA.

I honestly don't see it being CVT either. The Z34 is still manual. The GTR is double clutch sure, but that is a super car thing. I don't think they would bring paddle shifters to the low end sports car. Yea I know the Maxima and other cars are, but they are also sedans.

Honestly I am more concerned about the 1.8 engine. I don't want a 1.8. I want a 2.0-2.5L. I highly dobut they will do 2.5, but I am hoping for at least two.

Lastly I am also going to keep an eye on the BRZ/FRS. If Nissan drops a production model with a turbo I cannot see them sitting idly by. 2016 seems like it will be a really good year for cars.

[1 88 U]

This.

I will give Nissan the benefit of the doubt. They are not stupid. They realize how popular the FRS and BRZ is. What Andy said about those cars being mid life crisis cars I at first just lauged off. This morning I saw a BRZ. As I drove by it was a middle aged man behind the wheel who looked old enough to be my dad.

Point being it seems they may know what they are talking about. With everyone clamoring for a turbo 4, I cannot seem them making it NA.

I honestly don't see it being CVT either. The Z34 is still manual. The GTR is double clutch sure, but that is a super car thing. I don't think they would bring paddle shifters to the low end sports car. Yea I know the Maxima and other cars are, but they are also sedans.

Honestly I am more concerned about the 1.8 engine. I don't want a 1.8. I want a 2.0-2.5L. I highly dobut they will do 2.5, but I am hoping for at least two.

Lastly I am also going to keep an eye on the BRZ/FRS. If Nissan drops a production model with a turbo I cannot see them sitting idly by. 2016 seems like it will be a really good year for cars.

Toyota has been testing superchargers and turbos on the FA-20, Subaru has been chomping at the bit to boost it but Toyota is like "Chill, we own this market for now."

I'm excited if the kia and nissan can deliver over 250hp sub 28,000 lbs for mid $20k's. But they are still ugly as sin

[Frank_Jaeger]

Toyota has been testing superchargers and turbos on the FA-20, Subaru has been chomping at the bit to boost it but Toyota is like "Chill, we own this market for now."

I'm excited if the kia and nissan can deliver over 250hp sub 28,000 lbs for mid $20k's. But they are still ugly as sin
Holy hell.

[simmode1]

^^^Lol... epic typo.
Point being it seems they may know what they are talking about. With everyone clamoring for a turbo 4, I cannot seem them making it NA.

Honestly I am more concerned about the 1.8 engine. I don't want a 1.8. I want a 2.0-2.5L. I highly dobut they will do 2.5, but I am hoping for at least two.
There seem to be conflicting reports on whether there IDX is slated for a 1.5, 1.6 or 1.8 engines (both with and without turbo depending on which version you buy).

I searched around a bit and saw that the Nismo Juke R runs a 1.6t for a max of 197hp from the factory. The Nismo Sentra at TAS/Detroit autoshow is powered by some 1.8t that I haven't been able to identify, which makes 240hp & 240lbs/ft of torque.

I don't know if that 1.8t is a bored/stroked version of the Juke's 1.6t, but I'm fine with that 1.8t's specs from the Sentra being used for the IDX. Seems like a good foundation for the Nismo. I'd love a 2.5t, but I don't think it fits the character or heritage of a car like the IDX. Kinda similar to even how the FRS is underpowered, the engine still fits the 86's character & heritage.

They may have to throw heritage out the window though, if the Stinger is released at the same price. Nissan is gonna need to step up it's game if that happens because even 240hp ain't gonna be enough.

[Future240]

^^^Lol... epic typo.

There seem to be conflicting reports on whether there IDX is slated for a 1.5, 1.6 or 1.8 engines (both with and without turbo depending on which version you buy).

I searched around a bit and saw that the Nismo Juke R runs a 1.6t for a max of 197hp from the factory. The Nismo Sentra at TAS/Detroit autoshow is powered by some 1.8t that I haven't been able to identify, which makes 240hp & 240lbs/ft of torque.

I don't know if that 1.8t is a bored/stroked version of the Juke's 1.6t, but I'm fine with that 1.8t's specs from the Sentra being used for the IDX. Seems like a good foundation for the Nismo. I'd love a 2.5t, but I don't think it fits the character or heritage of a car like the IDX. Kinda similar to even how the FRS is underpowered, the engine still fits the 86's character & heritage.

They may have to throw heritage out the window though, if the Stinger is released at the same price. Nissan is gonna need to step up it's game if that happens because even 240hp ain't gonna be enough.

I'll admit it is impressive 240hp out of a 1.8T factory. Thing is later down the road when people want to step it up to 300-400hp, how is it going to be? I figured if they could do it in 1989 with an SR why not todays world too? Think about it. A direct injected 2.0 making 280hp can becomprable to the I4 Mustang and this Kia if the idx has the same or better power to weight ratio.

They can make it a good handling chassis with room for improvement. Nissan could even partner with certain companies for dealer installed, warranted mods. Like a greddy or Nismo FMIC, exhaust, turbo upgrade later down the road etc.

[240sxcure]

I'd rather Nissan keep the weight down and under-power the car with a well sorted chassis.

Just allow the engine to produce some more power easily.

[Gnnr]

Fuck it, this thread is useless without pics

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Sign me up for a new dime!

[simmode1]

I'll admit it is impressive 240hp out of a 1.8T factory. Thing is later down the road when people want to step it up to 300-400hp, how is it going to be? I figured if they could do it in 1989 with an SR why not todays world too? Think about it. A direct injected 2.0 making 280hp can becomprable to the I4 Mustang and this Kia if the idx has the same or better power to weight ratio.

They can make it a good handling chassis with room for improvement. Nissan could even partner with certain companies for dealer installed, warranted mods. Like a greddy or Nismo FMIC, exhaust, turbo upgrade later down the road etc.
I was thinking the same thing too. How would the engine respond to upgrades... Not that the Juke guys are pushing the envelope or anything, but I've seen some 380hp stage 3 turbo kits for the 1.6t. I can only imagine a 1.8t being more stout and far more efficient than an old CA or SR.

How will it keep up with Hyundai's 2.0t and Ford's 2.3t? You aleady know: No replacement for displacement. It doesn't need to be the most powerful, IMO. Just gotta be balanced & priced/marketed right.

Like, I said, I certainly wouldn't mind if the IDX came more powerful than the Senta concept's 240hp 1.8t. The only reason I'm throwing that figure out is it's the only engine that makes sense to me based on what Nissan brought to the autoshows this year. I could be completely wrong on whatever they decide to go with. But I think the 1.8t's 240hp sounds alright in a car weighing a little less than an S15.

[exitspeed]

Damn doesn't look like I can get too close to it. I was hoping to peek underneath.

[Gnnr]

Damn doesn't look like I can get too close to it. I was hoping to peek underneath.

Those are from the 2013 Tokyo Motor Show, so the booth may be different in Detroit.

[Juantwo3]

i like the nismo concept of it but i would like to see this i would consider buying one. but i wish they brought the s-chassis back :/

i hope it has a larger displacement atleast to beat out some of the other 4 cyl turbos on the market now and i hope they dont change it last min it and make it fwd.

[Future240]

I was thinking the same thing too. How would the engine respond to upgrades... Not that the Juke guys are pushing the envelope or anything, but I've seen some 380hp stage 3 turbo kits for the 1.6t. I can only imagine a 1.8t being more stout and far more efficient than an old CA or SR.

How will it keep up with Hyundai's 2.0t and Ford's 2.3t? You aleady know: No replacement for displacement. It doesn't need to be the most powerful, IMO. Just gotta be balanced & priced/marketed right.

Like, I said, I certainly wouldn't mind if the IDX came more powerful than the Senta concept's 240hp 1.8t. The only reason I'm throwing that figure out is it's the only engine that makes sense to me based on what Nissan brought to the autoshows this year. I could be completely wrong on whatever they decide to go with. But I think the 1.8t's 240hp sounds alright in a car weighing a little less than an S15.

Damn you are right on the upgrade.
Stage 2 juke upgrade 315hp with just a turbo.

https://www.gtmotorsports.com/product.php?productid=17559&cat=320&page=1

Here is 380
http://www.gtmotorsports.com/product.php?productid=17560


That actually makes me want to see a 2.0 even more.

i like the nismo concept of it but i would like to see this i would consider buying one. but i wish they brought the s-chassis back :/

i hope it has a larger displacement atleast to beat out some of the other 4 cyl turbos on the market now and i hope they dont change it last min it and make it fwd.

I am confident it won't be fwd. it is a 510 revivial. Everyone would be pissed.

[simmode1]

^^^Yeah, man... I have no idea how linear the power production is, but damn, that's quite a punch from a 1.6t. I think the 1.8t would be fine. A 2.0t would be great, but I wouldn't be made if that didn't happen.

For all we know, Nissan's small displacement turbo engines just might be overall better and more efficient than Hyundai & Ford because Nissan has almost constantly kept something turbo in their lineup. They've been refining and improving for a long time since the last of the SR's...

[exitspeed]

OK so when I was there there were no actual Nissan reps to talk to unfortunately. Pretty bummed out. I did talk to the dude at the display and he said that he has gotten almost no negative reactions to the car at the show. That's good news for us. He did say that they told him to say that they are "thinking about having a manual because the people that really was this car would want a manual". He's just a model guy and had no idea about the car so that sounded encourage because I don't think he would have thought of something like that on his own not knowing the market. I also had him go stand next to the car for me so I could see the height. He was 6'1" and it came up to his stomach/chest. It looks TINY in person. It's definitely small and it's not just the pics. I got some more shots of them that I'll post later. Wish I could have got some more info on it.

[holemilk00]

Doesn't really matter to me what motor they put in it as long as it manual. I have the money put aside to buy one and I plan to start an LSx swap fund immediately.

[exitspeed]

Doesn't really matter to me what motor they put in it as long as it manual. I have the money put aside to buy one and I plan to start an LSx swap fund immediately.

Same here minus the LSx swap.

[simmode1]

Yeah, I'm pretty much putting a halt on all 240 car mod purchases and funneling the money into the new IDX fund. I don't need an LSx. Mild turbo bolt-ons should be just fine for me, whether they go with the 197hp 1.6t or the 240hp 1.8t. If the car drops in at around 2800lbs, I just wanna be able to hit 280whp pretty easy. Should be nicely balanced with modern creature comforts.

As for the debate on IDX vs Stinger. Stinger seems AMAZING... on paper. After following Genesis Coupe 2.0t developement and not seeming as many advances as I'd hope, I'm gonna reserve judgement about the quality of that motor.

I mean, having 315hp stock in a car that light is great, but if the turbo is integrated into the manifold like the Genesis, that's gonna piss me off. Plus, I haven't heard of many GC owners raving about the reliability of that engine under power levels to SR's mastered years ago.

[Future240]

Yeah, I'm pretty much putting a halt on all 240 car mod purchases and funneling the money into the new IDX fund. I don't need an LSx. Mild turbo bolt-ons should be just fine for me, whether they go with the 197hp 1.6t or the 240hp 1.8t. If the car drops in at around 2800lbs, I just wanna be able to hit 280whp pretty easy. Should be nicely balanced with modern creature comforts.

This makes all the difference here. As soon as the price is released I know people will argue "I could build a s-chassis for $$$$ les and make more HP". While that may be true in terms of HP, no S-chassis can stand up to modern comforts.

I know exactly what I want in terms of an IDx "build" from the stealership floor.

2.5L Turbo 4
6-speed manual trans
HID Head lights
Premium Interior, leather dash, stitched seats etc.
Torsen Diff
Nismo suspension (assuming there are options like the different levels of mustang suspension)
Brembo brakes
18" Nismo Wheels.

26k-29k out the door.

One can hope...........

[simmode1]

^^^For the Nismo package, I'd completely agree with that. But I just don't see a 2.5t happening. I hope I'm wrong though.

If they drop the diff, HID's, Nismo suspension, use standard 17" 5x114.3 wheels and a base interior with the 1.6t or 1.8t for $23k on the Freeflow, they'd sell like hotcakes. As long as they don't use multicolored paneled cars in the marketing... I think that's most ppl's hang up...

Where are our photoshoppers? Gimme a bland, all white or silver Freeflow and lets see how it looks. Seeing that white Nismo chop on Miesters next to Broadfield's coupe in the another thread, they looked like close cousins!

[Future240]

^^^For the Nismo package, I'd completely agree with that. But I just don't see a 2.5t happening. I hope I'm wrong though.

If they drop the diff, HID's, Nismo suspension, use standard 17" 5x114.3 wheels and a base interior with the 1.6t or 1.8t for $23k on the Freeflow, they'd sell like hotcakes. As long as they don't use multicolored paneled cars in the marketing... I think that's most ppl's hang up...

Where are our photoshoppers? Gimme a bland, all white or silver Freeflow and lets see how it looks. Seeing that white Nismo chop on Miesters next to Broadfield's coupe in the another thread, they looked like close cousins!

Honestly speaking I would bet it will be 1.8-2.0L. I just want a 2.5.

For the free flow I saw have all what you said minus the turbo and sell it for 18K to compete with the Scion TC. Add the turbo and diff back and go with your price point, FRS/BRZ competitor. Nismo edition at my price point to compete with that FRS Black car and a BRZ premium.


Better yet, they could have it to where you can customize everything on the car.

base model+HId
base model +HID+turbo
base model +Turbo
base model + wheels+HID
base model + seats+HID+turbo

etc. until you get the car exactly like you want.

I could see the drift scene for instance doing base model + turbo+wheels+suspension, since they would swap in a 1.5/2-way diff later on.

Boom. You are welcome Nissan.

[simmode1]

^^^Oh shit yeah... Love it. Base bare bones N/A car at $18k, but can build it all the way up to $29k at the dealer. That would win.

But $18k is Versa/Sentra territory. I don't know if I see the price going that low. Maybe $20k at the lowest for an striped down N/A RS model. All just speculation though.

Maybe jam the 2.5L into the N/A model. It's got 175hp. Nismo gets the 1.6t or 1.8t with 197hp or 240hp....

[Corbic]

The problem with IDX concept is so much of it is simply "un-produceable".

Production Issues (cost) are going to eliminate many of the cool styling features (like bolt on fenders). I'm sure the Nismo version will have cool glued on fender trim. (Think Corolla S body kit). No fender mirrors, smaller wheels, more wheel/fender gap, single tone paint, etc

The front is a no-go with the DOT and European Pedestrian impact laws, so expect something more rounded. The interior will be in between a FR-S and a Sentra.

I'm still very skeptical on power-train and pricing.

I think the final product will look closer to a Scion TC than many of us want to admit.

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/nissan-idx-freeflow-concept--2013-tokyo-motor-show_100446853_l.jpg

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2014-scion-tc_100423999_l.jpg

With your factory fender flare kit looking like this -

http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad157/lynleylo/DSC_0603-1.jpg


For the free flow I saw have all what you said minus the turbo and sell it for 18K to compete with the Scion TC. Add the turbo and diff back and go with your price point, FRS/BRZ competitor. Nismo edition at my price point to compete with that FRS Black car and a BRZ premium.



Not going to happen.

A TC is $20k today, you can barely get a stripper high-volume Sentra for $18k. A BASE Civic coupe is $18.5k and Honda sells them by the shit ton and it's heavily platformed shared.

The IDX - If RWD, will be a unique low-volume platform with a unique power-train. Thats a crap load of investment. The only way to control cost would be if they plan to put the future Z and a small Infiniti on the same platform. Even then, all three are nowhere near the volume sellers of compact-FWD coupes and sedans, which all cost ~$20k starting these days.

You are not getting a RWD ~160hp 2,700lb coupe for the price of a Ford Fiesta.

[Future240]

^Ok same concept applies just bump up base to 20K. Subie can sell the wrx for 25K so I dont see it impossible to sell a turbo IDX for 23K

[simmode1]

The problem with IDX concept is so much of it is simply "un-produceable".

Production Issues (cost) are going to eliminate many of the cool styling features (like bolt on fenders). I'm sure the Nismo version will have cool glued on fender trim. (Think Corolla S body kit). No fender mirrors, smaller wheels, more wheel/fender gap, single tone paint, etc

The front is a no-go with the DOT and European Pedestrian impact laws, so expect something more rounded. The interior will be in between a FR-S and a Sentra.

I'm still very skeptical on power-train and pricing.

I think the final product will look closer to a Scion TC than many of us want to admit.
To be honest, I don't care. As long as the car as priced about the same as the FRS, weighs about the same as the FRS, is RWD, has a factory bolt-on turbo with a 6spd manual trans.

Everything else is negotiable to me. The Genesis coupe taught me that I'm willing to look past looks if the packaging is right. I trust Nissan enough not to put out a chassis that drives like absolute shit or use a turbo motor that is a ticking timebomb.

Wouldn't be surprised if the trans is made of glass though...:bite:

[dorkidori_s13]

im gonna sit back and play the "wait and see" game. im guessing within 9 months to a year, nissan will be showing a damn near production ready version of the car and something tells me its gonna look super sexy! (count on spy photos of the car around the nurburgring popping up in the coming months)

im gonna make a prediction though, count on nissan showing off the next "near production" concept with a name badge having 3 numbers + the letters SX at the end (if nissan pays attention to what its doing)

[simmode1]

^^^Oh fuck... If it came with the 240hp 1.8t and they called it the 180sx, I'd about lose my shit.

[Future240]

Wouldn't be surprised if the trans is made of glass though...:bite:

Why? Isn't the Z33/34 trans pretty good? After they reworked it, doesn't the GTR trans hold up good to know?

[Corbic]

^Ok same concept applies just bump up base to 20K. Subie can sell the wrx for 25K so I dont see it impossible to sell a turbo IDX for 23K

I don't think you understand manufacturing or the auto industry.

The WRX is $26k. It can be sold for that price because it's the shares the chassis, platform and power train with the Impreza, STi, Forester, Outback, Crosstrek and Legacy.

Essentially, Subaru's entire car lineup is based around the WRX, or should I say the WRX is based around their line up. The only exceptions being the Tribecca ($35k) and the BRZ. For the BRZ to make financial sense, they had to partner with Toyota.

You can expect, assuming it's RWD, a IDX to start out at 24-25k with the turbo being around 30k if that is how the divide up this car.

From what I've read, you will be getting a RWD 180hp Turbo 28/38mpg car with a CVT and paddle shifters. The nismo version will bring some cool wheels and plastic add ons.

[Future240]

I don't think you understand manufacturing or the auto industry.

The WRX is $26k. It can be sold for that price because it's the shares the chassis, platform and power train with the Impreza, STi, Forester, Outback, Crosstrek and Legacy.

Essentially, Subaru's entire car lineup is based around the WRX, or should I say the WRX is based around their line up. The only exceptions being the Tribecca ($35k) and the BRZ. For the BRZ to make financial sense, they had to partner with Toyota.

You can expect, assuming it's RWD, a IDX to start out at 24-25k with the turbo being around 30k if that is how the divide up this car.

From what I've read, you will be getting a RWD 180hp Turbo 28/38mpg car with a CVT and paddle shifters. The nismo version will bring some cool wheels and plastic add ons.

Actually I understand quite well. Most likely the Idx is going to be based on a shortened platorm of a current model, quite possibly the current Z. We already know the engine is going to be out of the Juke. I highly doubt they would build an entire new chassis, it would not make economical sense with the target market they are after.

If we are aware of the price points they need to hit, you think Nissan isn't? So it is not impossible as I stated.

[dorkidori_s13]

if my information from so many years ago still holds up, it will either be based on the FM platform (heavily lightened and shortened), or it will share an entirely new platform with the upcoming Z/G (Q) refresh since both are bowing within the next year given the 370z and G37 are completely at the end of their lifespan.

[Corbic]

Actually I understand quite well. Most likely the Idx is going to be based on a shortened platorm of a current model, quite possibly the current Z. We already know the engine is going to be out of the Juke. I highly doubt they would build an entire new chassis, it would not make economical sense with the target market they are after.

If we are aware of the price points they need to hit, you think Nissan isn't? So it is not impossible as I stated.


..A shortened Z34? It would still weigh over 3,000lbs as the Z is build off the heavy Infiniti platform. It would also mean it would handle like crap.


Price point is all based on intended target audience.

A Miata hardtop is $28k.

If you are saying the target is broke 20-somethings, Nissan is up for some fail. Just google "young people" and "Cars" and every article out there for the last 3 years is how Young People Can't/Won't/Don't buy new cars.


Being a retro-car, I can't help but think Nissan is targeting two shoppers.

45 year old Japanese Business men who all had 510's and 86's as teenagers. (Toyota's biggest market with the GT86 is middle aged men).

As well as mid-30 somethings that want something cute and unique, like a turbo-mini Cooper.

[Future240]

I don't have to guess at the target market. Any Palmer has already stated several times the idx is aimed at younger drivers to get them into cars. He has said the idx will be entry level in cost slotted beneath the Z.

All info points to shortend fm platform or a new platform that is shared by the new Z like dorkdori said. Which is exactly what I said. Why is why a 23k price point is not impossible.

[dorkidori_s13]

well its already been stated, the new Z35 is going on a MAJOR diet! so my guess is that theyre ditching all the creature comforts of the Z plus shortening the wheelbase to accommodate producing the IDx in a smaller/lighter form factor.

i know for a fact nissans target weight with the car is 2800-2900lbs. they can get away with a little more weight than the FRS because of the turbo engine. count on power numbers around 200-215hp. its gonna have a little more grunt than the FRS.

also one BIG thing to keep in mind, the FRS is getting a boost in power soon. toyota is shooting for 225-245hp. there was talk of turbo, hybrid or increased displacement in either the refresh or the next model up (this has been stated by Toyota of Japan). my guess is theyre going to give the motor a bump in displacement to get the response the car is known for AND the power it sorely needs. turbo charging the FRS/BRZ would be a pain in the ass ot cram in the engine bay...and hybrid power *rolls eyes* lolz0rz!

[kingkilburn]

How am I just now seeing this thread?

[240sxcure]

i know for a fact nissans target weight with the car is 2800-2900lbs. they can get away with a little more weight than the FRS because of the turbo engine. count on power numbers around 200-215hp. its gonna have a little more grunt than the FRS.

I hope they target this weight range when they develop this car. I'm sure they won't seek the low center of gravity that the BRZ has but a low curb weight will make this car enjoyable.

[dorkidori_s13]

I'm sure they won't seek the low center of gravity that the BRZ has

a set of coilovers would fix this immediately ;)

[240sxcure]

a set of coilovers would fix this immediately ;)

I expect a t-shirt of this new car in the near future!

[dorkidori_s13]

I expect a t-shirt of this new car in the near future!

well see. i may do one for april/may when the new s14 kouki design comes out.

[simmode1]

I'm sure they won't seek the low center of gravity that the BRZ has
What makes you say that? There's more ways to do it that running a boxer engine...

Besides, I'd rather have factory boost than the 86's low center of gravity anyday.

[Kallixtos]

I'm glad this is happening, I wouldnt think Nissan would sit idly while the FRS/BRZ is doing so well.

I'll probably pick one up depending on how it turns out. I'd love the engine the Nismo Sentra has.

[simmode1]

^^^Ditto. That 240hp 1.8T sounds perfect for the IDX. Kinda right about where the S15 left off from a power to weight ratio standpoint.

I was thinking about possible reasons Nissan might choose the 1.6t over the 1.8t for the IDX and couldn't think of any except that they feel the need to create in the Nismo Sentra a niche vehicle to compete with Mazdaspeed 3, Focus ST, etc...

Compared side by side, I'd think the IDX would carry more value for the brand than the Sentra and thusly, should have the superior engine. But maybe I'm just thinking like a RWD enthusiast. A compact FWD 4 door volume mover like the Sentra probably has far more value to Nissan...:-/

[DRIFTER-M]

I would love to see what has been mentioned, them launching it with the 1.8t and calling it the 180sx. Brought a smile to my face when a couple of you guys talked about it! Haha.

I too plan to put a down payment as soon as available. I thoroughly enjoyed my Gen coupe, but no where near as much as my S-chassis, so I sold it. I will be ELATED if this car handles like a REAL Nissan sport car. Drool.

Sidenote:
Everybody keeps saying this is purely a 510 revival, but does nobody else see the 1968 Silvia in it?

http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/webornge.gif
http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/nissan-idx-freeflow-concept--2013-tokyo-motor-show_100446853_l.jpg

To me, it looks more like a hybrid of the two cars, that I believe they created to appease both groups...

[exitspeed]

I would love to see what has been mentioned, them launching it with the 1.8t and calling it the 180sx. Brought a smile to my face when a couple of you guys talked about it! Haha.

I too plan to put a down payment as soon as available. I thoroughly enjoyed my Gen coupe, but no where near as much as my S-chassis, so I sold it. I will be ELATED if this car handles like a REAL Nissan sport car. Drool.

Sidenote:
Everybody keeps saying this is purely a 510 revival, but does nobody else see the 1968 Silvia in it?

http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/webornge.gif
http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/nissan-idx-freeflow-concept--2013-tokyo-motor-show_100446853_l.jpg

To me, it looks more like a hybrid of the two cars, that I believe they created to appease both groups...

It looks like a bunch of cars actually. I'd throw this in the mix too. That's why I love this thing so damn much.
http://www.myrideisme.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/11_19_09-037.jpg

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/196xtfou1bwl6jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

[Kallixtos]

Its a mutt Lol. Those are all cars I'd gladly have.

[simmode1]

A mutt, for damn sure! I like this comparison:
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1459293_633140903395355_396066732_n.jpg
http://image.modified.com/f/features/modp-1101-1992-nissan-240x-coupe/35562060/modp_1101_08_o%2B1992_nissan_240sx_coupe%2Bright_s ide_view.jpg

No, they don't really resemble each other, but you can see the potential!

[Gnnr]

^^^
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/650/weirdestboner.jpg

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxrn3ryP511qdlwdn.gif

[DRIFTER-M]

It looks like a bunch of cars actually. I'd throw this in the mix too. That's why I love this thing so damn much.
http://www.myrideisme.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/11_19_09-037.jpg

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/196xtfou1bwl6jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

Good call!

[DRIFTER-M]

A mutt, for damn sure! I like this comparison:
https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1459293_633140903395355_396066732_n.jpg
http://image.modified.com/f/features/modp-1101-1992-nissan-240x-coupe/35562060/modp_1101_08_o%2B1992_nissan_240sx_coupe%2Bright_s ide_view.jpg

No, they don't really resemble each other, but you can see the potential!

As an always s-chassis owner (never have I not owned an s-chassis since I was 14), I absolutely love and applaud Nissan on the IDX. I think it goes back to roots, and I am happy that I see SOME s-chassis resemblance. I was pumped when they showed it at TAS, and am more and more pumped with every new photo/ mock up.

I also get excited with the name having the X in it. it is like "ID" to come, with an X on the end.

AKA 240sx (which we know will not happen), aka 180sx, aka whatever - if it ends in an SX, I will be ridiculously pumped. I think this car has suffered some flack because the hype was so built up for basically another s15 that people didn't like the new direction, but as far as new cars go - this one looks darn solid. It is mean, lean, and RWD. If they give us turbo, what more could we want?

[drift freaq]

Its interesting while the Kia Stinger does look interesting i more question the concept of it coming to market at all for some reason. The IDX is confirmed and in my opinion in Nismo style trim would be a pretty cool looking car especially dropped on wheels. Of course i am still holding out on the next Z as well. Contrary to what certain others here have said about Nissan of late I honestly think these lean toward much more positive than negative about the company.
But of course in typical Zilvia fashion some one always has to complain, when something close to what they're asking for does not satisfy or seem to satisfy there every whim.

[Future240]

I'm just happy at the thought Nissan is going to be releasing 2 new sports cars in the next 3 years and possibly both of them might be turbo. Yes please.

[DRIFTER-M]

Its interesting while the Kia Stinger does look interesting i more question the concept of it coming to market at all for some reason. The IDX is confirmed and in my opinion in Nismo style trim would be a pretty cool looking car especially dropped on wheels. Of course i am still holding out on the next Z as well. Contrary to what certain others here have said about Nissan of late I honestly think these lean toward much more positive than negative about the company.
But of course in typical Zilvia fashion some one always has to complain, when something close to what they're asking for does not satisfy or seem to satisfy there every whim.

I share the same thoughts.

I think people are so stuck on wanting a s15 in the states, that in their mind the car needed to look similar to it. It isn't going to happen, the auto industry and style has changed so much it isn't even funny.

This is about as good as it can get, and the FR-S too. Both deliver, imo, style wise. At least this may get some power and boost, which the FR-S cannot claim at the current time.

I am happy, no doubt!

[kingkilburn]

God I hope this thing doesn't come with massive arches that take 20s to make look right.

[simmode1]

^^^I said the exact same thing about the FRS & look, Toyota got it (kinda) right with factory 17's and low profile tires. 18's actually perform worse... I fully expect the idx to compete in every way, including wheel size, except we won't have to deal with shitty 5x100 lug wheels.

[feito]

Okay, car's kinda growing on me. I'd still choose an frs over it, even the stinger if it gets made, that is if missan stays true to the concept, but i am starting to feel this car. Even if im not in the market for a new car, and even if the concept hasnt fully convinced me, the idea that nissan will deliver for our group is pretty cool, who knows what they will do next if this thing sells Good. But anyway, im anxious to see the production model!

[240sxcure]

What makes you say that? There's more ways to do it that running a boxer engine...

Besides, I'd rather have factory boost than the 86's low center of gravity anyday.

I just think Subaru was able to do so by keeping the engine N/A, having a boxer layout, and tucking it well within the engine bay.

But I go agree with you that I would rather have factory boost. I hope Nissan can provide a decent drivetrain for this car.

[simmode1]

Continuing to look at Broadfield's coupe next to the IDX, I began to wonder if those proportions might really be right. I mean, the IDX looks smaller than a damn S13!

S13 specs
Length: 178.0in (452.1cm)
Width: 66.5in (168.9cm)
Height: 50.8in (129.0cm)
Wheel Base: 97.4in (247.4cm)
Ground Clearance: 4.3in (10.9cm)

Nismo IDX concept
Length: 161.4in
Width: 70.8in (66.9in for the Freeflow)
Height: 51.2in
Wheel Base: N/A
Ground Clearance: N/A

Yep. Way shorter and wider than an S13. Bodes well for the possible curb weight, especially considering how light a modern 1.6t engine must be. Could you guys imagine if the IDX was actually lighter than an S13?!?

[240sxcure]

Continuing to look at Broadfield's coupe next to the IDX, I began to wonder if those proportions might really be right. I mean, the IDX looks smaller than a damn S13!

Yep. Way shorter and wider than an S13. Bodes well for the possible curb weight, especially considering how light a modern 1.6t engine must be. Could you guys imagine if the IDX was actually lighter than an S13?!?

I think it would be fantastic, but doubtful considering all of the safety features new cars require. The BRZ has a shorter wheelbase? But I think it still weighs slightly more.

The IDX concept is a step in the right direction. My only hope is that Nissan can offer a car built from this concept and still differentiate it from the upcoming Z model.

[SimpleS14]

Continuing to look at Broadfield's coupe next to the IDX, I began to wonder if those proportions might really be right. I mean, the IDX looks smaller than a damn S13!

S13 specs
Length: 178.0in (452.1cm)
Width: 66.5in (168.9cm)
Height: 50.8in (129.0cm)
Wheel Base: 97.4in (247.4cm)
Ground Clearance: 4.3in (10.9cm)

Nismo IDX concept
Length: 161.4in
Width: 70.8in (66.9in for the Freeflow)
Height: 51.2in
Wheel Base: N/A
Ground Clearance: N/A

Yep. Way shorter and wider than an S13. Bodes well for the possible curb weight, especially considering how light a modern 1.6t engine must be. Could you guys imagine if the IDX was actually lighter than an S13?!?


I have a feeling those dimensions will change once safety regulations come into play. As odd as this might sound, I hope Nissan limits the amount of these for sale in the U.S. At least for the first year to gauge the markets reception of the car and reduce any financial risk if its a bust.

[kingkilburn]

With all of Nissan's talk over the past few years about lighter stronger chassis I wouldn't be at all surprised if it comes in right around the same weight as the later S Chassis cars.

The overall length being shorter I would attribute to shorter overhangs. The amount of car beyond the wheels or core support on an S13 is kind of nuts.

The width is probably just the wheels on the IDx Nismo. I can take the car being around the same width and a good bit shorter.

[Gnnr]

Continuing to look at Broadfield's coupe next to the IDX, I began to wonder if those proportions might really be right. I mean, the IDX looks smaller than a damn S13!

S13 specs
Length: 178.0in (452.1cm)
Width: 66.5in (168.9cm)
Height: 50.8in (129.0cm)
Wheel Base: 97.4in (247.4cm)
Ground Clearance: 4.3in (10.9cm)

Nismo IDX concept
Length: 161.4in
Width: 70.8in (66.9in for the Freeflow)
Height: 51.2in
Wheel Base: N/A
Ground Clearance: N/A

Yep. Way shorter and wider than an S13. Bodes well for the possible curb weight, especially considering how light a modern 1.6t engine must be. Could you guys imagine if the IDX was actually lighter than an S13?!?

Its shorter than a BMW 1 series at 172.2in :eek3:

[Future240]

I grow weary of the OT epeen contests. I am just going to start pinking people.

[DRIFTER-M]

I grow weary of the OT epeen contests. I am just going to start pinking people.

That is fair.

Sorry if I said anything out of line, I tried to keep it professional.

Would be cool if they released a car pack for Gt6 or Forza with the IDx driveable!

[SimpleS14]

Would be cool if they released a car pack for Gt6 or Forza with the IDx driveable!

I'm kinda wondering why Nissan didn't do this in GT6. Toyota did this with the FT-1 and it's a solid move to give the company and concept more exposure.

[simmode1]

With Digital Polyphony & Kazunori Yamauchi designing the GTR's onboard display system, you'd think that Nissan would use that special relationship to get the IDX into the game quickly... But nooo. Somebody is asleep at the wheel over there.

[dorkidori_s13]

theyre shooting for a 2016 model, which is late next year. i wouldnt call that asleep at the wheel. i bet by fall of this year they will have a damn near production ready concept to show off at TAS or LAS

[kingkilburn]

If they were on top of their game they could have had that car to Polyphony ready in time to appear in game the same time the concept was revealed. Imagine the hype of seeing it in motion in game before ever hearing about it online.

[Matej]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/196xtfou1bwl6jpg/ku-xlarge.jpg
http://irony.cc/media/image/original/ironidx.jpg

[dorkidori_s13]

http://irony.cc/media/image/original/ironidx.jpg

http://risovach.ru/upload/2013/01/mem/lol_10069182_orig_.jpg


although the carlos "i got rid of the silvia because im a big buttface and no one at my company seems to recognize its a 100% heritage model that shouldve been brought back in 2003 along with the Z because we dropped the ball and didnt cash in on the drifting boom of the early/mid 2000s when everyone and their mom was buying used 240s like it was the new honda civic and most of us wouldve happily spent 20k on a brand new s16 silvia because money grew on trees back then" ghosn edit is funny

[Gnnr]

If they were on top of their game they could have had that car to Polyphony ready in time to appear in game the same time the concept was revealed. Imagine the hype of seeing it in motion in game before ever hearing about it online.

Doesn't Polyphony tend to be anal with the details such as they way it sounds and handles etc etc. I'm sure it's not to the point yet where they would be able to create a realistic experience to the caliber they like to provide. Patience young padawon. :)

[Chaluska]

To be honest, I don't care. As long as the car as priced about the same as the FRS, weighs about the same as the FRS, is RWD, has a factory bolt-on turbo with a 6spd manual trans.

Everything else is negotiable to me. The Genesis coupe taught me that I'm willing to look past looks if the packaging is right. I trust Nissan enough not to put out a chassis that drives like absolute shit or use a turbo motor that is a ticking timebomb.

Wouldn't be surprised if the trans is made of glass though...:bite:

only problem is, everything i've seen about the IDX is going to be all automatics.. no manuals

[dorkidori_s13]

only problem is, everything i've seen about the IDX is going to be all automatics.. no manuals

actually, no. a manual transmission was the most requested option for the car by people at detroit this year who saw the concept. even nissan reps have been quoted saying a manual option will most likely be happening.

please read thru the ENTIRE thread if youre new! :bash:

[kingkilburn]

There have been tons of concepts and vaporware cars in the GT series. So long as how it performs in game makes sense for what it should be or is claimed to be all is well.

[simmode1]

Doesn't Polyphony tend to be anal with the details such as they way it sounds and handles etc etc. I'm sure it's not to the point yet where they would be able to create a realistic experience to the caliber they like to provide. Patience young padawon. :)
Nah, Turismo's sounds suck & they've had birth the ft86 & ft1 concepts as soon as they debuted. The Gtr & 370z are heavily used by the GT Academy. No clue why the IDX is being left out but somebody better dust off the Nissan hype machine & get it rolling. Toyota had turned hype into an artform!

[dorkidori_s13]

HOLY SHIT! IT DOES RUN!

Nissan IDx Nismo Driven (w/video) - Import Tuner (http://www.importtuner.com/events/1401_nissan_idx_nismo_driven/)



i THINK the NISMO edition is stick, listen to the exhaust notes when theyre moving the car around, it sounds like normal manual revs

[Gnnr]

HOLY SHIT! IT DOES RUN!

Nissan IDx Nismo Driven (w/video) - Import Tuner (http://www.importtuner.com/events/1401_nissan_idx_nismo_driven/)



i THINK the NISMO edition is stick, listen to the exhaust notes when theyre moving the car around, it sounds like normal manual revs

Awesome find!! And look what the page says:

Nissan IDx Concepts Drive Details:


Nissan’s IDx Freeflow and Nismo Concepts drop by our HQ for sneak preview
Cars set to tour Southern California this weekend
Tour stops at Petersen Museum, plus Cars & Coffee and Supercar Sunday meets
More stops and events are possible; vehicles can be tracked via hashtag #IDxinSoCal


Zilvians in SoCal please get us some more spy video!!

[Kallixtos]

I'm gonna try and make it to cars and coffee on Saturday. I'll try and get some video :D

[dorkidori_s13]

I'm gonna try and make it to cars and coffee on Saturday. I'll try and get some video :D

if you do make it out, please locate a nissan exec and hound that person for as much information you can get! a few good questions would be "are you planning on utilizing the MR series engine with a turbo?" and "is this the new platform we should expect to see the Z35 and V37 Coupe being built on?".

[DRIFTER-M]

HOLY SHIT! IT DOES RUN!

Nissan IDx Nismo Driven (w/video) - Import Tuner (http://www.importtuner.com/events/1401_nissan_idx_nismo_driven/)



i THINK the NISMO edition is stick, listen to the exhaust notes when theyre moving the car around, it sounds like normal manual revs

It shows the interior...
at one angle, it looks like the Nismo is an automatic (looks like it has an inline bezel), but then from another angle it looks stick, so idk.

But what about this comment in the article...
"The official company line thus far has been that the IDx will likely never come to production fruition, but that hasn’t stopped the automaker’s American operations from drumming up support to push for the thing to be made."

Seems like bad info or either a MAJOR bummer from what we have been hearing the last few weeks.

[DRIFTER-M]

if you do make it out, please locate a nissan exec and hound that person for as much information you can get! a few good questions would be "are you planning on utilizing the MR series engine with a turbo?" and "is this the new platform we should expect to see the Z35 and V37 Coupe being built on?".

Or "WTF are you guys thinking not considering manual?"
Or "Why did it take multiple petitions and online forum and facebook spamming before you realized it was a good idea?"
Or "for all of us enthusiast troubles, can we get a deeper discount?"
Or "What is the motor currently in it?"

So maybe all my questions besides the last one are a bit on the smart side... but if you feel the desire to ask, let me know how it goes! LOL

[Kallixtos]

if you do make it out, please locate a nissan exec and hound that person for as much information you can get! a few good questions would be "are you planning on utilizing the MR series engine with a turbo?" and "is this the new platform we should expect to see the Z35 and V37 Coupe being built on?".


Or "WTF are you guys thinking not considering manual?"
Or "Why did it take multiple petitions and online forum and facebook spamming before you realized it was a good idea?"
Or "for all of us enthusiast troubles, can we get a deeper discount?"
Or "What is the motor currently in it?"

So maybe all my questions besides the last one are a bit on the smart side... but if you feel the desire to ask, let me know how it goes! LOL

Haha! I'll do what I can! I'm sure I won't be the only there with a list of questions.

[DRIFTER-M]

Haha! I'll do what I can! I'm sure I won't be the only there with a list of questions.

Yeah, I am banking that it will be insanely hard to find an opening to ask a question honestly, and also that the person they send along will probably be extremely unknowledgeable anyway so...

Maybe you can peak what's under the hood though, that would be a sick bonus if they feel like popping the hood!

[Kallixtos]

Yeah, I am banking that it will be insanely hard to find an opening to ask a question honestly, and also that the person they send along will probably be extremely unknowledgeable anyway so...

Maybe you can peak what's under the hood though, that would be a sick bonus if they feel like popping the hood!

Yea as much as I would love that, it may be wishful thinking Lol. I'll be ready with a camera if it does though.

[dorkidori_s13]

Yea as much as I would love that, it may be wishful thinking Lol. I'll be ready with a camera if it does though.

forget the damn engine, take pics of the suspension!!! front AND rear ;)

[exitspeed]

To reiterate my stance on the size. From motor trend:

Even cooler, watching it being driven past a few dozen parked cars, I was struck by just how tiny the IDx actually is. Thumbs up to that.

Read more: Nissan IDx Concept 'First Drive' - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1401_nissan_idx_concept_first_drive/#ixzz2s4nW4q9rEven) cooler, watching it being driven past a few dozen parked cars, I was struck by just how tiny the IDx actually is. Thumbs up to that.

Read more: Nissan IDx Concept 'First Drive' - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1401_nissan_idx_concept_first_drive/#ixzz2s4nW4q9r)

Hell he even used the same word as me...tiny.

[simmode1]

I already posted the IDX's specs... It's about the same height as an s13, but the length is much shorter because the IDX doesn't have all this overhang past its wheel arches. its gonna be FRS sized, just boxy looking, which gives the illusion of it being bigger

[exitspeed]

I already posted the IDX's specs... It's about the same height as an s13, but the length is much shorter because the IDX doesn't have all this overhang past its wheel arches. its gonna be FRS sized, just boxy looking, which gives the illusion of it being bigger

Yeah, just reiterating to the people who don't get it.

[simmode1]

Continuing to look at Broadfield's coupe next to the IDX, I began to wonder if those proportions might really be right. I mean, the IDX looks smaller than a damn S13!

S13 specs
Length: 178.0in (452.1cm)
Width: 66.5in (168.9cm)
Height: 50.8in (129.0cm)
Wheel Base: 97.4in (247.4cm)
Ground Clearance: 4.3in (10.9cm)

Nismo IDX concept
Length: 161.4in
Width: 70.8in (66.9in for the Freeflow)
Height: 51.2in
Wheel Base: N/A
Ground Clearance: N/A

Yep. Way shorter and wider than an S13. Bodes well for the possible curb weight, especially considering how light a modern 1.6t engine must be. Could you guys imagine if the IDX was actually lighter than an S13?!?
Adding in FRS for comparison:

FRS
LENGTH 166.7 IN.
WIDTH 69.9 IN.
HEIGHT 50.6 IN.
WHEELBASE 101.2 IN.

[drift freaq]

Pics up in the Future 240sx rwd thread from today people.

[simmode1]

Looks like some of the Ratsun board guys are starting the come around. Here's some nighttime pics they took:
http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj612/mrbigtanker/Mobile%20Uploads/photo2_zps76c1049a.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2847/12247270826_7cbcc362e9_z.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2822/12246842193_cc94fd4a03_z.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5536/12247271296_067528b109_z.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5481/12246948003_9d772d4cc6_z.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7441/12246843003_1f3cc96b8c_z.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2811/12246948023_6c11471765_z.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7386/12247173954_43cbf3586d_z.jpg

LOVE the Freeflow's tail lights with the Nismo's LED headlights...

[dorkidori_s13]

Pics up in the Future 240sx rwd thread from today people.

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/127041-future-240sx-future-rwd-coupes-thread-176.html#post5547712

and

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/127041-future-240sx-future-rwd-coupes-thread-177.html#post5547735

[exitspeed]

Fuck those Johnny 5 headlights are dope.

[future]

Was looking up directions to Super Car Sundays. 70 miles is too much gas for me to drive for a car that I don't find very attractive. Sorry guys, PayPal is open if you want to donate lol.

Little by little the car is growing on me, I'm still on a turbo FRS or the new stinger

[simmode1]

^^^Until the Stinger gets confirmed for production, the IDX is my frontrunner. Even after the Stinger gets confirmed, its gotta prove itself to consumers like me. If it has a nearly maxed out turbo integrated into the exhaust manifold like the current Genesis coupe, that would be a serious detracting factor to me. Especially if Nissan is still using bolt-on turbos, similar to what we're familar with in the SR20's and even the Juke R's 1.6t.

Fuck those Johnny 5 headlights are dope.
Lol! I really hope they continue with the idea of mixing and matching front ends, headlights and aero... I love the way the Nismo lights resemble the illuminated versions of the blocked out headlight housings on Hakosuka racecars.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2847/12247270826_7cbcc362e9_z.jpg
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Hakosuka-GTR.jpg

[future]

Why is that suck a big problem with everyone? Can't you just swap the mani and turbo? You guys do it on every other car

[simmode1]

^^^I'm a big believer in the K.I.S.S. method: Keep It Simple, Stupid.

My experience has been 'The less shit you change, the less shit you break'. So I prefer using as much of the stock components as possible. Keeps costs down and retains simplicity. Less chance of shit not fitting right or breaking due inferior craftsmanship. I'm totally spoiled on the SR's ability to attach popular turbos right onto the stock manifold.

If my goals had outgrown the capability of the stock SR turbo manifold, I might feel different. As such, even if I were to buy a Genesis coupe, I would probably lean towards the pre-facelifted model just because of it's ability to accept bolt-on turbos in the stock position.

Granted, my HP goals are alot milder/modest than most on Zilvia.

[jamanrr]

As a previous 400whp s15 owner, I am down with this concept. I have not bought many new cars but this would be one of them.

[exitspeed]

Granted, my HP goals are alot milder/modest than most on Zilvia.

I'm cool with it at the rumored 230hp. Hell I used to have a blast with my stock 240's at Auto-X. I co-piloted my friends heavily modified STI and it was about the same amount of fun as my stock 240's...

[simmode1]

Yeah, I love the speculated 230hp in a turbo car weighing around 2800lbs. The goal I usually aim for is 100hp for every 1000lbs of weight. Won't be the fastest around, but it would be quick and peppy. So, if I can get it close to 280whp with intake, downpipe, exhaust, and a tune, that'll keep me very happy for a while.

I don't know about you guys, but I find a mildly prepped SR'd 240 with a cheapie S14/S15 turbo making about 280hp to the wheels a whole lot of fun for not a lot of money or headache while still being pretty reliable. I try to be content with modesty by not getting caught up chasing high HP numbers and rending the car almost unusable.

[drift freaq]

Yeah, I love the speculated 230hp in a turbo car weighing around 2800lbs. The goal I usually aim for is 100hp for every 1000lbs of weight. Won't be the fastest around, but it would be quick and peppy. So, if I can get it close to 280whp with intake, downpipe, exhaust, and a tune, that'll keep me very happy for a while.

I don't know about you guys, but I find a mildly prepped SR'd 240 with a cheapie S14/S15 turbo making about 280hp to the wheels a whole lot of fun for not a lot of money or headache while still being pretty reliable. I try to be content with modesty by not getting caught up chasing high HP numbers and rending the car almost unusable.
Having owned and driven a 300whp RB25 powered S13 I can say that 300whp is plenty of power for a 2750LB car. It was downright a blast to drive and Sportbike quick. All these guys clamoring for more HP don't realize you take away reliability and drivability when doing so.

So getting a Turbo based machine rated at 230HP factory puts it in the realm of 300HP capability easily. It spells extremely fun to drive.

[future]

I think the turbo has you guys the most happy. Cause its easier to make more power, which i understand. But if this didn't have a turbo i don't think you guys would like it at all

[simmode1]

I think the turbo has you guys the most happy. Cause its easier to make more power, which i understand. But if this didn't have a turbo i don't think you guys would like it at all
100% correct. If the FRS/BRZ had a turbo, I'd be drinking that Kool-Aid. I'm not into turboing N/A cars. Seen too many blow up for one reason or another. Haven't seen that much with factory F/I cars.

The IDX just has the exact combo I was looking for.
Turbo? Check.
RWD? Check.
2+2 coupe? Check.
Lightweight? Check.

The only unknown factors that I still care about are the transmission options and engine particulars.

[future]

I just can't get past it's looks. Eventually it'll grow on me i guess. I'm just not ready to trust Nissan yet

[drift freaq]

I think the turbo has you guys the most happy. Cause its easier to make more power, which i understand. But if this didn't have a turbo i don't think you guys would like it at all
Actually for me this is where you are wrong. I would not care how they get 230-240hp .It could be NA and I would still like the car.
You perhaps are hung up on Turbo or very pretty looking things? Sorry man but you did open yourself up to that comment with the whole FRS?KIA Stinger stance. LOL Having fun with you here.
Though seriously I really don't care how they make the HP as long as its there. THe FRS is underpowered and feels that way.
Maybe I am spoiled because of the cars I have owned and drive. I want at least 230-250 HP in a 2800lb car at this point. My M3 is such a point and go machine its crazy fun.
Having a Turbo would be a cool way to get extra HP on the fly though but for me its not a prerequisite . This car just has fuck you attitude and I like that.

[silverarrow27]

Do I pay off the Veloster, sell the S13, and then buy an IDX? Or do I trade in the Veloster for an IDX and keep the S13? Decisions decisions...

[dorkidori_s13]

Having owned and driven a 300whp RB25 powered S13 I can say that 300whp is plenty of power for a 2750LB car. It was downright a blast to drive and Sportbike quick. All these guys clamoring for more HP don't realize you take away reliability and drivability when doing so.

i built my last 240 to over 300whp. most of the kids building 240s now with pie in the sky ideas of 400-500hp SR20s have no idea how outright dangerous the car gets when you start hitting the 250-300whp range. especially in our cars (like you said) that are just barely pushing the 2800lbs mark.

good lord it was a blast to drive though :D nothing like getting pushed into your seat and being held there for 4500rpms worth of awesome!

[dorkidori_s13]

Do I pay off the Veloster, sell the S13, and then buy an IDX? Or do I trade in the Veloster for an IDX and keep the S13? Decisions decisions...

trade the veloster ;)

[exitspeed]

I don't give a shit if it's turbo or NA as long as its 200hp+ and stick.

[Konster]

Didn't like it at first, I'm warmng up to it now though.

[simmode1]

I don't give a shit if it's turbo or NA as long as its 200hp+ and stick.
Nah, if it's N/A, I'm gonna hate/flame it like I do the FRS for not living up to my expections. I'll just get something else like the Stinger, a Genesis coupe, used 335i or if my money gets better, a new 2 series.

Now, if they offer both an N/A & an turbo version... I'd be fine with that.

[drift freaq]

Nah, if it's N/A, I'm gonna hate/flame it like I do the FRS for not living up to my expections. I'll just get something else like the Stinger, a Genesis coupe, used 335i or if my money gets better, a new 2 series.
LOL I just had a friend on Facebook call it pretty hot looking and the bastard child of a 510 and a GTR. LOL That is not a bad analogy.
It does nod to the Hakosuka , CPS311 and 510 .

[ghost_silvia]

Do I pay off the Veloster, sell the S13, and then buy an IDX? Or do I trade in the Veloster for an IDX and keep the S13? Decisions decisions...

I'm keeping my veloster T cause you can make it a 13 second car with an ecu and bolt ons making it a fun daily with a warranty. I will probably buy the second or third year of production giving nissan time to work out the kinks.

[exitspeed]

The last time I cared about 1/4 miles times Brian Spilner was undercover trying to bust Dominic Toretto.

[Corbic]

The last time I cared about 1/4 miles times Brian Spilner was undercover trying to bust Dominic Toretto.

While not every sports car needs to be a dragster, they need to at least be sporty. Getting whomped on by mini vans and Camrys is just embarrassing.

[exitspeed]

While not every sports car needs to be a dragster, they need to at least be sporty. Getting whomped on by mini vans and Camrys is just embarrassing.

Are you out there looking to race minivans and Camrys?

I'm not implying I want the car to be slow but drag racing???

I'm old and have kids though. I race on a track or not at all.

[simmode1]

^^^I think he's talking about passing power. My wife just doesn't get it about why I think her Mini Countryman's paltry 138hp just isn't enough and can be dangerous when trying to merge onto a busy highway because its so goddamn slow and assholes in faster Camrys & Minivans won't let you over.

[Corbic]

Actually for me this is where you are wrong. I would not care how they get 230-240hp

Engine personality is always important. A good note, torque monster, high revving, linear power or turbo. A good engine just needs to have a good character.



You perhaps are hung up on Turbo or very pretty looking things?

I think most are. Many think turbo motors are always overbuilt, 700hp capable and are just a reflash away from another 50-100hp.



Though seriously I really don't care how they make the HP as long as its there. THe FRS is underpowered and feels that way.

Exactly.


Maybe I am spoiled because of the cars I have owned and drive. I want at least 230-250 HP in a 2800lb car at this point.

Thats what makes some of these new cars though pills to swallow. All that money and for many of us, a step backwards in performance.


My M3 is such a point and go machine its crazy fun.
Having a Turbo would be a cool way to get extra HP on the fly though but for me its not a prerequisite . This car just has fuck you attitude and I like that.

Thats how I felt about the FRS and my 911. I came away from the FRS going "that's nice, but is it $500 a month nice?!"

I bought the 911 because it was an FRS turned up to "11". The driver feedback and handling are feirce, the interior is better built, it out performance the FRS, it has 350Z acceleration and brakes just 3 feet shy of the FRS.

Better yet, the 911 is timeless in appearance and will appreciate instead of depreciate. The only downsides is the 915 trans is "classical" and the HVAC system needs a 3 hour institutional video on how to opperate it

[simmode1]

I think most are. Many think turbo motors are always overbuilt, 700hp capable and are just a reflash away from another 50-100hp.
I do thing some turbo motors are overbuilt (like the 2JZ & RB), but that's not common nowadays. I prefer to think that, rather than being overbuilt, most turbo motors are simply more optimized for boost than the average N/A engine.

The only exception I've really seen has been the S2000's F20c/F22c. Now that's one stout N/A that loves boost....

I don't normally expect 50-100hp from a reflash, but I do hope to get maybe ~40hp out of a reflash, exhaust, downpipe & CAI on most turbo cars. Basically being able to take a 230hp car to 270hp without much difficulty.

There are alot of turbo cars that exceed this modest goal, IMO. It's all about tempering your expectations to be realistic. I think an extra 40hp is sufficient to enhance the character of a car in this weight class without changing it too much or destroying what was originally there.

[exitspeed]

^^^I think he's talking about passing power. My wife just doesn't get it about why I think her Mini Countryman's paltry 138hp just isn't enough and can be dangerous when trying to merge onto a busy highway because its so goddamn slow and assholes in faster Camrys & Minivans won't let you over.

Yeah, I guess I didn't think about that really. My Murano and Pathfinder are pretty quick actually.

[jdm60]

Can we get some more photochops of this please.

[woodchuck]

I saw the iDX in person on saturday and i was really impressed with the size. the car is no bigger than my evo 9 and just looks so beefy(the nismo version).

I was listening in on conversations from the crowd at cars and coffee and it seems(just a hasty generalization from my experience) that the nismo iDX really appealed to the younger tuner crowd and that beige looking freeflow(?) version catches the eye of the older purist demographic (age 50 and up).

yes it is a hasty generalization based off of 20 or so conversations i heard but in the end it was nice to have people hyped up about a nissan jumping into this market.

[drift freaq]

I saw the iDX in person on saturday and i was really impressed with the size. the car is no bigger than my evo 9 and just looks so beefy(the nismo version).

I was listening in on conversations from the crowd at cars and coffee and it seems(just a hasty generalization from my experience) that the nismo iDX really appealed to the younger tuner crowd and that beige looking freeflow(?) version catches the eye of the older purist demographic (age 50 and up).

yes it is a hasty generalization based off of 20 or so conversations i heard but in the end it was nice to have people hyped up about a nissan jumping into this market.

Hehehe and I caught it on the third leg of that little tour at the Petersen Automotive museum. I already shared either or in the future 240sx blah blah blah thread about it.

On the power comments yes it has to hit the target of 230-250hp. That really is the sweet spot for HP in a 2800lb car. It gives it enough to be quick and still keeps it in the realm off drivable for the average buyer.

[sil14zenki]

rocket bunny idx?
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y255/andyrios/NISMO_IDx_zpsa8f9ef32.jpg

[signals13]

rocket bunny idx?
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y255/andyrios/NISMO_IDx_zpsa8f9ef32.jpg

Nice, can you add a two tone color like that of the S13 Silvia?

[exitspeed]

I did this one a while back. Made the C Pillar normal and made the black body work white.

http://www.mhrussell.com/idx/idxnismo-0edit7.jpg

[kingkilburn]

RWD cars rarely handle well in corners AND hookup well to launch. I don't give a single fuck about the 1/4 mile time of this thing and would be suspect if it was appreciably faster than similar cars.

[Corbic]

rocket bunny idx?
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y255/andyrios/NISMO_IDx_zpsa8f9ef32.jpg


...starting to look like an FRS.

[jdm60]

I did this one a while back. Made the C Pillar normal and made the black body work white.

http://www.mhrussell.com/idx/idxnismo-0edit7.jpg

Looks really nice.

rocket bunny idx?
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y255/andyrios/NISMO_IDx_zpsa8f9ef32.jpg

Hideous

[dorkidori_s13]

rocket bunny is hideous in general...just like instant gentleman

worst two kits ever.

[kingkilburn]

Hey. I have a great idea.

Lets derail this thread by dick swinging our personal taste in visual addons for a car that isn't this one.

[dorkidori_s13]

rocket bunny = JUST SAY NO (doesnt matter what car its on)

i think im gonna do another mockup of a production ready IDx, but based on the side view as i already see a few lines i want to clean up!

this car is so much fun aesthetically and its not even in production form yet hahaha

[Future240]

I'm not gone lie a rocket bucket s13 coupe and instant gentleman Zenki both are boners inducing for me.

Idx one though is gross. Mel's chop is on point though.

[drift freaq]

Hey. I have a great idea.

Lets derail this thread by dick swinging our personal taste in visual addons for a car that isn't this one.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Gnnr]

The most likely reason for a turbo version is that manufacturers are using it more and more to get better fuel efficiency out of their vehicle lineups. Better MPG and powerband, its a win win!

For the record I love Rocket Bunny and you better hope that all of the Japan aftermarket jumps on this regardless whether you like the style or not.

[word sux]

I wonder if Nissan will use a variant of their new turbo 3 cylinder they are using in the le mans car...


The le mans version weighs only 88 lbs and chucks out 400 hp....

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[Corbic]

I wonder if Nissan will use a variant of their new turbo 3 cylinder they are using in the le mans car...


The le mans version weighs only 88 lbs and chucks out 400 hp....

No.

I'm willing to bet that Le Man's engine is designed to survive 1 race, only makes power at red line, gets horrible gas mileage and can't pass emissions.

[kingkilburn]

At 80 pounds that thing doesn't have the mass to deal with any amount of wear or vibration.

I do think that engine does show us that we can expect a very light weight engine in comparison to what we are used too.

[signals13]

Besides it being 80 lbs and having 400 hp it kind of sucks seeing those low torque numbers at only 240 lb that's not the torque I'm looking for at all especially having a torquy KA-T I'm used to.

[Corbic]

Besides it being 80 lbs and having 400 hp it kind of sucks seeing those low torque numbers at only 240 lb that's not the torque I'm looking for at all especially having a torquy KA-T I'm used to.

Buy a Vette

[Future240]

Buy a Mustang

Fixed that for ya.

I 100% with corbic on the 3 cylinder. No way in hell that will be an engine choice.

[kingkilburn]

Mechanical leverage.
If it revs high and has a good amount of hp the torque numbers are misleading.

Horse power is a measure of work done and that number never lies.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

I wonder if Nissan will use a rebadged version of the Mercedes 1.5L F1 engine/transmission combo in the IDx? It's been rumored that Nissans will start to use more Mercedes drivetrains in the future, and 1.5L, turbo, and a 8 speed transmission make sense for this car.


Sent from Lala land while goofing off at work

[simmode1]

^^^Thats a joke, right? An F1 engine in a sub $30k production car? One of those engine alone is probably worth more than $30k.

[EchoOfSilence]

Here are some photos I took from Super Car Sunday at Woodland Hills, CA during the IDx in SoCal tour (http://idxclub.co/t/super-car-sunday-nissan-idx-friends/60)

Quirky but aggressive
http://idxclub.co/uploads/db3172/40/88776d3448f682d4.jpg

Awesome approach to using jeans as a seat material
http://idxclub.co/uploads/db3172/46/661849cb55207738.jpg

More here on IDxClub.co (http://idxclub.co/t/super-car-sunday-nissan-idx-friends/60)

[drift freaq]

and David makes his first appearance here in years. I take it you are taking an interest in this car Dave. Quick question how did the Super Car fans take to it?

[kingkilburn]

Putting that bucktoothed bezel around the logo really detracts from the lines of the IDx. It is clearly an after thought on the Nismo but on the Freeflow it runs the cleanliness of the front end.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

^^^Thats a joke, right? An F1 engine in a sub $30k production car? One of those engine alone is probably worth more than $30k.

Yes, I was being facetious about that comment above on the possibility of putting race car engines into production vehicles.


But on a more serious Mercedes/Renault/Nissan drivetrain sharing note, the current gen Mercedes SLK is available with a 1.8L turbo (good for 201hp in current form) and a 6 spd manual. It would be a quick solution for a powertrain that's already configured for RWD.

[simmode1]

^^^I dunno... I think I'd rather have Nissan's 1.6t with 197hp than a 1.8L N/A with 200hp. Easier to make faster, of course, but I would also imagine the parts for the 1.8L MB engine would be more pricey than the Nissan 1.6t engine parts.

[Corbic]

^^^I dunno... I think I'd rather have Nissan's 1.6t with 197hp than a 1.8L N/A with 200hp. Easier to make faster, of course, but I would also imagine the parts for the 1.8L MB engine would be more pricey than the Nissan 1.6t engine parts.

The Benz is turbo.

The Benz engine would also cost more because I expect it would have a much better NVH rating.

I'd honestly have to see a dyno graph of both, an exhaust clip and MPG estimate in order to make a decision.

[Gnnr]

Here are some photos I took from Super Car Sunday at Woodland Hills, CA during the IDx in SoCal tour (http://idxclub.co/t/super-car-sunday-nissan-idx-friends/60)

Quirky but aggressive
http://idxclub.co/uploads/db3172/40/88776d3448f682d4.jpg

Awesome approach to using jeans as a seat material
http://idxclub.co/uploads/db3172/46/661849cb55207738.jpg

More here on IDxClub.co (http://idxclub.co/t/super-car-sunday-nissan-idx-friends/60)

I wouldn't mind navy blue seats, but not feeling denim material or look.

[kingkilburn]

210 out of a 1.8 turbo seems rather crap. I'd rather have a bigger I4 that was NA.

[simmode1]

The Benz is turbo.

The Benz engine would also cost more because I expect it would have a much better NVH rating.

I'd honestly have to see a dyno graph of both, an exhaust clip and MPG estimate in order to make a decision.
Great points.

I wouldn't mind navy blue seats, but not feeling denim material or look.
I get the impression the demin isn't going to make production anyway. Is it really durable enough to be a car seat? Yeah, blue jeans are sturdy, but you don't put your ass in the same pair everyday... Or if you do, I wouldn't expect them to last very long.

[Corbic]

Great points.


I get the impression the demin isn't going to make production anyway. Is it really durable enough to be a car seat? Yeah, blue jeans are sturdy, but you don't put your ass in the same pair everyday... Or if you do, I wouldn't expect them to last very long.

http://cdn.visualnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Levi-Gremlin-1.jpg

[simmode1]

^^^Awww HELL Naw!

IDX better get that shit outta here... lol

ROFLMAO @ the 12k mile/1 year warranty!

[Corbic]

^^^Awww HELL Naw!

IDX better get that shit outta here... lol

ROFLMAO @ the 12k mile/1 year warranty!

Inline 6
RWD
Hatch
Small
Cheap

...what's not to like?

[exitspeed]

^^^Awww HELL Naw!

IDX better get that shit outta here... lol

ROFLMAO @ the 12k mile/1 year warranty!

Holy shit that's a real Taillight Warranty.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

The Benz is turbo.

The Benz engine would also cost more because I expect it would have a much better NVH rating.

I'd honestly have to see a dyno graph of both, an exhaust clip and MPG estimate in order to make a decision.

Cost-wise, I think the sticking point will be economy of scale on a costlier powertrain vs. redevelopment cost of an existing powertrain. As it stands, I think you can only get an MR16 in a tranverse mounting, so gearbox development/flipping the engine will incur some design and development costs that may or may not be feasible for a standalone application.

Another Benz argument is that the SLK is roughly the same size as the iDX, and is likely due for a refresh around that time period. With some retooling, it may be possible to do some platform sharing between the cars (2 seater vs 2+2, coupe vs convertible), again with economy of scale could be a driver. On top of that, it could increases the possible product line for both vehicles (SLK coupe, iDX convertible), increasing their potential value.

The Toybaru only became feasible when the two companies agreed on joint development (also happening with the Miata/Alfa Spider redesign), so I'm not sure if a vehicle like this can stand on its own in the current market. The Benz tie up is the only logical partner in my mind, if 2016 is a target, when comparing the product lines between Renault, Nissan, Infiniti, and Mercedes.


Just thinking out loud, though.

[simmode1]

Cost-wise, I think the sticking point will be economy of scale on a costlier powertrain vs. redevelopment cost of an existing powertrain. As it stands, I think you can only get an MR16 in a tranverse mounting, so gearbox development/flipping the engine will incur some design and development costs that may or may not be feasible for a standalone application.

Another Benz argument is that the SLK is roughly the same size as the iDX, and is likely due for a refresh around that time period. With some retooling, it may be possible to do some platform sharing between the cars (2 seater vs 2+2, coupe vs convertible), again with economy of scale could be a driver. On top of that, it could increases the possible product line for both vehicles (SLK coupe, iDX convertible), increasing their potential value.

The Toybaru only became feasible when the two companies agreed on joint development (also happening with the Miata/Alfa Spider redesign), so I'm not sure if a vehicle like this can stand on its own in the current market. The Benz tie up is the only logical partner in my mind, if 2016 is a target, when comparing the product lines between Renault, Nissan, Infiniti, and Mercedes.


Just thinking out loud, though.
Hmmm. Interesting ideas.

Inline 6
RWD
Hatch
Small
Cheap

...what's not to like?
Do not want.

[Corbic]

Cost-wise, I think the sticking point will be economy of scale on a costlier powertrain vs. redevelopment cost of an existing powertrain. As it stands, I think you can only get an MR16 in a tranverse mounting, so gearbox development/flipping the engine will incur some design and development costs that may or may not be feasible for a standalone application.

Another Benz argument is that the SLK is roughly the same size as the iDX, and is likely due for a refresh around that time period. With some retooling, it may be possible to do some platform sharing between the cars (2 seater vs 2+2, coupe vs convertible), again with economy of scale could be a driver. On top of that, it could increases the possible product line for both vehicles (SLK coupe, iDX convertible), increasing their potential value.

The Toybaru only became feasible when the two companies agreed on joint development (also happening with the Miata/Alfa Spider redesign), so I'm not sure if a vehicle like this can stand on its own in the current market. The Benz tie up is the only logical partner in my mind, if 2016 is a target, when comparing the product lines between Renault, Nissan, Infiniti, and Mercedes.


Just thinking out loud, though.


I have to disagree. The SLK is a nearly $50k luxury sports car. A lot of that money is the engine and chassis development. They are not designing the car just for performance but also for NVH and all those "luxury" feels.

Trying to share the chassis will work as well as the G35/7 and the Z. MB will also be conscious of being criticized for having a $50k coupe ride a $24k car chassis. MB also doesn't need to justify the SLK, it's a staple in their line up and it's already a hard-top convertible. There will be no coupe in the future.

To make the MR or HR engine RWD may only require new block casting. They may also have other plans with Renault. Maybe Renault even has RWD plans.

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/03/renault_megane_rs/02-gen-09-megane-rs.jpg

[Corbic]

Do not want.



How about now?

http://www.mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B32639.jpg

http://www.lhmopars.com/MOPAR_Ads/1972_AMC_Gremlin_ad1.jpg

http://www.decodesystems.com/gremlin-ps-may-1973-m.gif

http://assets.hemmings.com/story_image/386101-1000-0.jpg?rev=1

http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/13-amc-gremlin.jpg

http://www.dodge-wiki.com/wiki/images/e/e0/AMC_Pacer_1975_French_advertisement.jpg

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

I have to disagree. The SLK is a nearly $50k luxury sports car. A lot of that money is the engine and chassis development. They are not designing the car just for performance but also for NVH and all those "luxury" feels.

Trying to share the chassis will work as well as the G35/7 and the Z. MB will also be conscious of being criticized for having a $50k coupe ride a $24k car chassis. MB also doesn't need to justify the SLK, it's a staple in their line up and it's already a hard-top convertible. There will be no coupe in the future.

To make the MR or HR engine RWD may only require new block casting. They may also have other plans with Renault. Maybe Renault even has RWD plans.

Keep in mind, though, that Z's and G's are all in that same-ish price bracket of the Benzes (high 30-50K). Also, with the iDx looking like it will be just a bit smaller than the Z in overall length, wheelbase, and width, it falls into that gray area that Nissan doesn't want to go, where buyers will start to internally cross-shop the iDx with the Z because it is cheaper and has more space. Granted, I do agree that the SLK doesn't really need to have justification, and I didn't think about the fact that the SLK already shares a platform with the C-class, so Nissan might as well just use a modified FM.

On the Renault possibilities, it's a tough call. With the European car market being very poor over the last few years, I don't know if it would be feasible to try for a new small sports coupe, especially since an iDx could fill that gap in that market. No point in competing against yourself for sales.

I dunno. Lots of things to speculate on a this point, which is half the fun.

[kingkilburn]

It isn't competing with yourself when it is just two different brands of the same thing. If you moved a car you moved a car.

[Corbic]

It isn't competing with yourself when it is just two different brands of the same thing. If you moved a car you moved a car.

Also Nissan dies not sell very well in Europe, Renault would be a more natural choice for them.

[kingkilburn]

Nissan doesn't sell well because they insist on mispronouncing the name of the company.

[Corbic]

Nissan doesn't sell well because they insist on mispronouncing the name of the company.

Porsche sells very well despite most peoples inability to say "Por-sh-uh".

[drift freaq]

Porsche sells very well despite most peoples inability to say "Por-sh-uh".
ya I get so tired of even some people who own the damn things sitting there calling them a Por-sh. Its like damn man can't you even properly pronounce the name of the car you own?

[Matej]

So, does it drift?

[atom]

Maybe Renault even has RWD plans.


Was about to say the same thing. Make it a hatchback too. Too bad the rest of the world outside of Europe seems to hate hatchbacks. Maybe I'm getting too old but a RWD Turbo hatch would be cooler than the IDX...............

At the same time the GT-R has had a pretty positive effect for the Nissan brand in Europe so maybe they'd want to build off of that as well.

As far as Toyobaru, I always assumed the partnership was about risk management. Without knowing the market, it was hard for a single company to come out with a product by itself. Now that the market is more of a known quantity because of Toyota/Subaru, it would presumably be easier for a single company like Nissan to go at it alone.

It's still a niche market compared to mainstream cars, but I don't think other companies can just let Toyota essentially monopolize an entire market segment.

[Corbic]

Too bad the rest of the world outside of Europe seems to hate hatchbacks. .

People need to cut that shit out. We are DROWNING IN HATCH BACKS. I don't know where people get the "OMGZZZ 'Muricans hate hatches".

There has to be 3 dozen hatch backs available right now, if not more.

[atom]

People need to cut that shit out. We are DROWNING IN HATCH BACKS. I don't know where people get the "OMGZZZ 'Muricans hate hatches".

There has to be 3 dozen hatch backs available right now, if not more.

And what are the total sales numbers of hatchbacks vs traditional coupes/sedans?

Some hatches like the focus do well when compared to their sedan counterparts, but the market as a whole, hatch's still lag way behind.

[Corbic]

And what are the total sales numbers of hatchbacks vs traditional coupes/sedans?

Some hatches like the focus do well when compared to their sedan counterparts, but the market as a whole, hatch's still lag way behind.

So fucking what?!

First, coupes are non-existent today and convertibles are all but extinct.

Second, many cars are only hatches; Razor, Sonic, Soul, Fit, xB, iQ, Mini, 500, Mirage, Veloster, et al.

Third, who gives a fuck on the percentages if they are available for you to (not) buy?

The only hatches you are missing out on are the ones from a European makes with no US presence and the Civic Hatch. The later is because (modern) Honda is infuriatinly retarded.

[atom]

You seen to be confused.........

You replied because you had a problem with the statement that Americans hate hatchbacks (or to say it another way, we vastly prefer sedans). So sales absolutely matter.

The point that we can get hatchbacks has no relevance. If anything it supports my statement. We have quite a few hatches on the market, yet sedans dominate the market.....ergo we prefer sedans.

[Corbic]

You seen to be confused.........
.

Your argument is invalid. You state "the rest of the world hates hatches."

I eat more pizza than I eat hamburgers. Do I hate hamburgers?

[atom]

LOL....Obvious hyperbole is obvious?

Did you really think I was making a literal statement that consumer's have an intense, passionate dislike for a car body style?

[kingkilburn]

Show me the sales numbers of hatches sucking.

I basically never see sedan versions of all those FWD compacts and midsized cars available as wagons and hatches.

[kingkilburn]

And don't cherry pick a shitty car that happens to be a hatch. No one cares about the sales figures of the Suzuki Aerio.

[drift freaq]

I know lets get into a big debate about hatchbacks when truth be told Nissan's most successful sporting cars have been Fastbacks and Sedans. Ya I went there and said that. The 180sx was a Fastback by Nissan's own terminology and actually by car definition. AS were and are Z cars.
Not Hatchbacks as some 240sx owners call them because the owners come from Honda's.

The Other successful RWD sports oriented cars were hmmm 510/Bluebird, Skyline, Silvia hmm Sport Sedans. Ya I know coupe owners are gonna get pissed because I am calling their two doors Sedans. Get over it again technically that is what it is.

So NIssan building a hatchback version of the IDX makes no sense whatsover. Plus since the 180sx shares more traits with the Z line it would be better off for Nissan to focus on blending the lines thereby taking it back to the original concept of the 240Z and 180sx.

In fact I can pretty much say Nissan is already thinking along those lines because of what i see them doing with the IDX which is blending the SIlvia/510 and early Skyline.


Oh and it is interesting most cars labeled Hatchbacks by manufacturers are FWD as well. So why the fuck is this discussion about Hatchbacks even happening?

Lets just get off the crack pipe concept of a Hatchback.

[atom]

These are all of America's top selling vehicles in 2013 excluding trucks/SUV's

Toyota Camry- 408,484
Honda Accord- 366,678
Honda Civic- 336,180
Nissan Altima- 320,723
Toyota Corolla/Matrix - 302,180
Ford Fusion- 295,280
Chevrolet Cruze- 248,224
Hyundai Elantra- 247,912
Ford Focus- 234,570
Toyota Prius- 234,228
Hyundai Sonata - 203,648
Chevy Malibu - 200,594
VW Jetta - 163,793
Chevy Impala - 156,797
Optima - 155,893
Sentra - 129,143

Prius sells because it's a hybrid, I consider it a special case. So that makes the Focus and the Matrix the only cars on the list that were hatch's. We know the Matrix was discontinued for 2014 because of poor sales.....so we can reasonably assume the majority of the 300k sales of corolla/matrix were sedans. That basically leaves the Focus. I don't know what the sales split of that car was.

Hell, even if you include the Prius it's pretty clear what type of cars Americans prefer.

[dorkidori_s13]

sigh, the thread has been officially derailed

[240sxcure]

sigh, the thread has been officially derailed

Back on topic!

Autoweek, barely, test drove the two concepts.

http://www.autoweek.com/galleryimage/CW/20140203/CARREVIEWS/203009997/PH/0/1/IDx-Nismo-Concept.jpg

http://www.autoweek.com/galleryimage/CW/20140203/CARREVIEWS/203009997/PH/0/5/IDx-Freeflow-side.jpg

Nissan IDx concept car test drive, review and driving impressions - Autoweek (http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140203/CARREVIEWS/140209989)

[exitspeed]

Looks like they barely know how to use their camera. There's no reason the Nismo one should be blurred like that given other sources say they couldn't go over 15mph.

Off topic again. lol

[240sxcure]

Looks like they barely know how to use their camera. There's no reason the Nismo one should be blurred like that given other sources say they couldn't go over 15mph.

Off topic again. lol

Yes, clearly user error on that shot.

[jamanrr]

The free flow is a classic nissan color my s14 was that color

[drift freaq]

It will be interesting to see exactly what bodywork makes it into production especially in the c pillar department. In person I really like the Nismo but felt it needed something like vents between the red and the white section.
The Nismo would definitely look nice sitting next to my M3. hehehe My friends wife bought a BRZ and I have to say while not bad looking in stock form the BRZ is really rather meek looking.

It almost reminds me of the little Opals looked in the 70s. Like it was a facsimile of the greater sports cars of the day and really not all that. LOL

The IDX on the other hand has a really tough ready for business look even though its still really small in person.
Ya I am really liking this car.

[dorkidori_s13]

most interesting thing ive read about the IDx thus far...

While officials were vague about drivetrain specifics, we heard that the concepts are both runners, sitting on top of old rear-drive Silvia S15 mechanicals with 200-plus hp underhood. We hope that's true.

Read more: Nissan IDx concepts revealed at Tokyo show - Autoweek (http://www.autoweek.com/article/20131120/carnews/131129997#ixzz2sTxnWf1i)

[SimpleS14]

Yes, I was being facetious about that comment above on the possibility of putting race car engines into production vehicles.


But on a more serious Mercedes/Renault/Nissan drivetrain sharing note, the current gen Mercedes SLK is available with a 1.8L turbo (good for 201hp in current form) and a 6 spd manual. It would be a quick solution for a powertrain that's already configured for RWD.


Nissan will use Mercedes engines in their Infiniti cars to further separate the brand from Nissan and provide more distinct options. For example the Q50 will eventually get a diesel engine from Mercedes and the Q30 will share a lot with the CLA.



Putting that bucktoothed bezel around the logo really detracts from the lines of the IDx. It is clearly an after thought on the Nismo but on the Freeflow it runs the cleanliness of the front end.

Agreed, but there's hope that it might not make it to the production car. 370Z and GT-R don't have this corporate grill.

[kingkilburn]

I think a prominent hamburger is all that is needed.

[EchoOfSilence]

and David makes his first appearance here in years. I take it you are taking an interest in this car Dave. Quick question how did the Super Car fans take to it?

What's up dude! Been awhile! The folks from Super Car Sunday took delight to the IDx pair. They absolutely like it & are cheering Nissan to build it.

Nissan is actually listening to people's constructive critique about the IDx Club (http://idxclub.co/t/nissan-is-listening-to-your-thoughts-about-the-idx/53) . You guys should let Nissan know your thoughts on IDx Club :bigok:

[Corbic]

most interesting thing ive read about the IDx thus far...

:barf:

If that was the case, why not just update the body kit on the S15, install a new EPA compliant engine and seats with side airbags. Since the tooling would be 99% paid for, sell the damn thing for $19k.

My S13 would be GOOOOOOOOOOONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

http://carszz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/nissan-silvia-s15-front-angle-2.jpg

[jamanrr]

I have a feeling that a lot of us and including me will be let down. They have both models and what do you think gets released first? I have a feeling it will be a 1.2 to 1.5 liter with a CVT Cube inspiring vomit.....

This will miss the mark but protect the pig Z car for which they cherish so much of.

[kingkilburn]

Here we go on the S15 crybaby train.

[dorkidori_s13]

I have a feeling that a lot of us and including me will be let down. They have both models and what do you think gets released first? I have a feeling it will be a 1.2 to 1.5 liter with a CVT Cube inspiring vomit.....

This will miss the mark but protect the pig Z car for which they cherish so much of.

*facepalm* im SO tired of seeing comments like this. before whining please look at the current facts!

1) THE SCION FRS/SUBARU BRZ/TOYOTA GT86!!! Nissan HAS TO HAS TO HAS TO beat these cars in EVERY way (or at least match them dead on). Nissan already knows that if the IDx is to succeed, it has to steal FRS/BRZ buyers!

2) CVT WILL NOT BE THE ONLY TRANSMISSION OPTION! THE CAR IS NOT A GTR!!! It has already been stated by news outlets and by members of Zilvia who talked to Nissan execs that the biggest request for the car is to offer it in a manual tranny. Nissan isnt stupid, they know for a fact the car will be DOA if it isnt offered with a stick!

3) The car will be NO LESS than 200hp. Id say count on it being around 230-250hp easy. If you pay attention to what turbo motors Nissan is using, the MR series is now a WORLD MOTOR. The same MR18vet that powers the Juke will most likely find its way into the car, stroked to a 2.0 liter to add much needed torque.

4) The chassis being utilized will more than likely be shared with the new Z/G. Nissan has already stated that the new Z is going on a diet. Weight on the IDx should be in the 2800lbs area. IT HAS TO BE TO COMPETE WITH THE FRS/BRZ. The new Z should just tip the scales around 3200lbs (educated guess) with a 3.0 litre twin turbo V6. Nissan isnt going to develop a platform strictly for ONE car. The car market doesnt work like that anymore!

Instead of spending time in woe, RESEARCH AND PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER! There is AMPLE evidence to clue anyone in as to what the IDx is going to be just based on the interviews out there on the web, plus what Exitspeed and Drift Freaq have gotten out of BOTH American AND Japanese execs over the last few weeks.

I REALLY dont understand how people cant simply READ sometimes! Its not hard to put the pieces together if youve been following our threads right here on Zilvia! :tweak:

[dorkidori_s13]

i will concede to ONE possibility I just thought of as I was re-reading the above... IF (and BIG IF) Nissan did build the concept IDx's on a modified S15 Chassis, then it may damn well be possible they might just resurrect that particular Chassis since as Corbic stated....

If that was the case, why not just update the body kit on the S15, install a new EPA compliant engine and seats with side airbags. Since the tooling would be 99% paid for, sell the damn thing for $19k.


It wouldnt take Nissan much to bring the Chassis up to current safety standards. It was a well established platform for over 20 years and could easily comply to modern day crash testing... Just a thought though!

[EchoOfSilence]

GREAT points dorkidoki_s13!

[Corbic]

. The new Z should just tip the scales around 3200lbs (educated guess) with a 3.0 litre twin turbo V6. Nissan isnt going to develop a platform strictly for ONE car. The car market doesnt work like that anymore!


DO NOT WANT.

The Boxster is only 2,900lbs and while a C7 is 3,400lbs, I don't foresee the Z matching it's 460hp.

[Corbic]

GREAT points dorkidoki_s13!

I think people are negative because we've seen nothing exciting out of Nissan since the 350Z.

The Z34 was exactly MORE of what we did not want. The Juke is a Joke, the Sentra has not been interesting since the B13 and the trucks have not been updated in 10 years.

Meanwhile everyone else is pumping out hot turbo sport compacts, AWD Rally Monsters and Sports cars that look, feel and move like super cars at a fraction of the price.

The GT-R, while a performer, is also $110k, automatic only and it's styling has been extremely polarizing. I think most when they dreamt of a USDM GT-R thought of something like the R34 in the mid $50k range.

There is a lot to be apathetic about. The old saying - don't count your chickens till they hatch.

[dorkidori_s13]

current Z is 3500lbs (give or take), it comes with ~340hp and runs mid to low 13s. A 3.0litre twin turbo V6 making 340-350hp would be stupid easy for Nissan to pull off, shave 300lbs off the car and youve got a Boxster + Vette killer!

And Corbic, keep in mind that car companies dont start trotting around concept cars to TWO different autoshows, then drive them around in public for people to touch, sit in, test drive and take pictures of in normal parking lots if they dont intend on making them! Way too much time, money and effort involved to do that without promise of return.

[EchoOfSilence]

Guys, to note -- it's easy to lose hope when the chips are down but it's during trying times that belief/faith/whatever you want to call it, is tested. Think good thoughts.

[drift freaq]

I think people are negative because we've seen nothing exciting out of Nissan since the 350Z.

The Z34 was exactly MORE of what we did not want. The Juke is a Joke, the Sentra has not been interesting since the B13 and the trucks have not been updated in 10 years.

Meanwhile everyone else is pumping out hot turbo sport compacts, AWD Rally Monsters and Sports cars that look, feel and move like super cars at a fraction of the price.

The GT-R, while a performer, is also $110k, automatic only and it's styling has been extremely polarizing. I think most when they dreamt of a USDM GT-R thought of something like the R34 in the mid $50k range.

There is a lot to be apathetic about. The old saying - don't count your chickens till they hatch.

Corbic man I was with you till the comment about the GTR. I so wish people who diss the dual clutch paddle shift transmission in the GTR would understand. Yes its paddle shift yes you don't have a clutch pedal to actuate it. No its not an Automatic in the traditional sense. It comes right out of F1 technology and is basically a F1 trans in a street car. Lightening fast shifts but still actually shifts.
Truth be told while some here dis the GTR I don't think most here have the driving ability to push the GTR to its full potential. It can be driven so hard and fast that is basically more car than most people should own. Hence why its so amazing for the money.


With that said I see shades of this mentality creeping into the IDX. Its presenting the same kind of ya you can drive me way faster than you should attitude. Which I hope Nissan delivers and I feel they are going to.
Ya I will eat my words if they don't deliver but this time I feel they are going to do it right.

Oh and I expect more of the same out of the next Z as well. Nissan knows now they have to nail shit to the wall. The response this last weekend in California totally showed them that.
They know we want a car that can smack the FRS/BRZ up and down the street.

So the whiners just need to shut the fuck up for fucking once here.

P.S. Corbic that last comment was not entirely directed at you. lol

[jamanrr]

Competition is fierce in this segment Cadillac has the 2 liter turbo with 280 horses and 31 mpg, imagine that engine in the Chevrolet 130 r concept that they have not given up on yet. That combine with the new ecoboost mustang along with camaro mustang and challenger getting power and EPA boosting upwards of 480 horses and mid 20s mpg. A new barracuda based fiat will also be out soon. Nissan better bring something relevant or else it will be just another cube/ cvt juke puke.


Here is something else to ponder, if a person bought one each of every car from nissan a 1993 car/ truck lineup and left the MSRP stickers on the cars then that person would be able to sell each and every one of them for the sticker price maybe more. That is how good their products were back then.

[Corbic]

Corbic man I was with you till the comment about the GTR. I so wish people who diss the dual clutch paddle shift transmission in the GTR would understand. Yes its paddle shift yes you don't have a clutch pedal to actuate it. No its not an Automatic in the traditional sense. It comes right out of F1 technology and is basically a F1 trans in a street car. Lightening fast shifts but still actually shifts.
Truth be told while some here dis the GTR I don't think most here have the driving ability to push the GTR to its full potential. It can be driven so hard and fast that is basically more car than most people should own. Hence why its so amazing for the money.

Oh I hear you on the DCT systems. My problem with the GT-R is that while a DCT may in fact be superior to a traditional MT, I personally would still want the OPTION of a MT. Also don't worry, I'm cross about the 991 Turbo being PDK only as well. The GT3 moving to PDK only makes sense to me, it's supposed to be a "race car" and frankly, Porsche no longer uses the MT in racing because of the obvious benefits PDK offers.

Anyway. My big gripe with the GTR is just how fast the price went up, from 70k to 110k, combined with the styling. The performance is also not that HUGE a difference when you look at it and it's rivals in a real world setting. Lapping the 'Ring 15 seconds faster means nothing on my way to work or to a car show. What's more important to me about a car that I actually own is the sensation I receive while driving it and the feeling I get looking at it.

I'd rather have a more exotic looking R8, a sexier 991 S for the same money and say "fuck track times". Then there is the C7 - a monster that costs half as much and is as sexy as a 599XX. Enough with the GTR.



With that said I see shades of this mentality creeping into the IDX. Its presenting the same kind of ya you can drive me way faster than you should attitude. Which I hope Nissan delivers and I feel they are going to.
Ya I will eat my words if they don't deliver but this time I feel they are going to do it right.

Oh and I expect more of the same out of the next Z as well. Nissan knows now they have to nail shit to the wall. The response this last weekend in California totally showed them that.
They know we want a car that can smack the FRS/BRZ up and down the street.

Well another fear is that they do surpass the FRS/BRZ... as is, and Toyota drops a big ol' "F U NISSAN" with a mid cycle refresh. Suddenly we have that monster FRS we keep dreaming of.



So the whiners just need to shut the fuck up for fucking once here.

P.S. Corbic that last comment was not entirely directed at you. lol

It's Zilvia. I'd think the invasion of the body-snatchers had begun had no one complained.



Also, since the cars are in Cali, does this mean they won't be in Chicago this Saturday?

[SimpleS14]

i will concede to ONE possibility I just thought of as I was re-reading the above... IF (and BIG IF) Nissan did build the concept IDx's on a modified S15 Chassis, then it may damn well be possible they might just resurrect that particular Chassis since as Corbic stated....


It wouldnt take Nissan much to bring the Chassis up to current safety standards. It was a well established platform for over 20 years and could easily comply to modern day crash testing... Just a thought though!


I don't see that happening. It would require factory retooling and that's not an investment Nissan would be willing to take on a single car such as the IDX.

[kingkilburn]

Automotive engineering and metallurgy have come a long way since the S15. Nissan resissuing the 180SX in the mid 90s was no big deal. They just kept something going.

What I gather from the rumor is that Nissan doesn't yet have a test mule on the chassis being developed BUT they have decided on a wheelbase and styling. What we are seeing is Nissan wanting to gauge our excitement for a car they've already committed to, and knowing Nissan they didn't want to say a bunch about a car they didn't have to show off in some way. We almost never get concepts from them that don't mean something concrete.



P.S.
The S Chassis is dead. Long live the S Chassis.

[Corbic]

What I gather from the rumor is that Nissan doesn't yet have a test mule on the chassis being developed BUT they have decided on a wheelbase and styling. What we are seeing is Nissan wanting to gauge our excitement for a car they've already committed to, and knowing Nissan they didn't want to say a bunch about a car they didn't have to show off in some way. We almost never get concepts from them that don't mean something concrete.


If these are not even riding prototype chassis then they are simply 100% one-off cars that are designed to be a styling exercise and a market test.

If there is not already a chassis designed and being built somewhere these will not be ready by 2016. That is WAY SUPER AGGRESSIVE TIMING.

[kingkilburn]

I'm sure it is design and being tested. It's been an on going project of theirs since the 350Z was on the drawing board.

I don't think it is at a stage to be looking like those cars do. There's got to be a reason they weren't allowed to drive them quickly.

[sr23det]

I can't wait!...............after owning several non Nissan cars to fill in until the successor or somewhat of the the 240sx stateside

[dorkidori_s13]

s15 chassis idea aside, im still gonna run with my idea that this is the same platform as the Z35 and Q60 (V37 Coupe). there is no way nissan could slam this car together by 2016 if this wasnt already in the cards for OTHER cars as well...

[Gnnr]

Automotive engineering and metallurgy have come a long way since the S15. Nissan resissuing the 180SX in the mid 90s was no big deal. They just kept something going.

What I gather from the rumor is that Nissan doesn't yet have a test mule on the chassis being developed BUT they have decided on a wheelbase and styling. What we are seeing is Nissan wanting to gauge our excitement for a car they've already committed to, and knowing Nissan they didn't want to say a bunch about a car they didn't have to show off in some way. We almost never get concepts from them that don't mean something concrete.



P.S.
The S Chassis is dead. Long live the S Chassis.

Yeah, I agree. I wouldn't read too much into what that current rolling model has under the hood/body. It's just something they gathered from the parts bin. I would keep a lookout for when photos surface of the actual test mule.

[drift freaq]

s15 chassis idea aside, im still gonna run with my idea that this is the same platform as the Z35 and Q60 (V37 Coupe). there is no way nissan could slam this car together by 2016 if this wasnt already in the cards for OTHER cars as well...
I can pretty much safely say that we are going to see this car sooner than most people think. I agree with Dorki here this thing is definitely going to be on some kinda of modified Z chassis. People do need to understand something. This chassis unification thing is not new to Nissan. One only has to look back to the original SIlvia to realize it shared its chassis with other NIssans of the day.

A new Z is due by 2015 It only stands to reason that this car will be right there as well. Ya I said that not 2016, 2015!!!

[kingkilburn]

The first "sightings" of the IDx will likely be legit test mules. I would think we'd see these two cars going around for the next few months before something more representative of the final product pops up somewhere.

[drift freaq]

The first "sightings" of the IDx will likely be legit test mules. I would think we'd see these two cars going around for the next few months before something more representative of the final product pops up somewhere.
Actually seeing as SoCal is considered ground zero for automotive enthusiasts and aftermarket stuff I do not think you will see to many more rounds of these concepts. Remember these were shown in Detroit all ready and that is like the last big automotive show of the Season in the U.S. I can pretty much bet they are on a ship back to Japan if not now within the next week. Indeed the next sitings will be test mules. Remember these concepts were in RHD not LHD. Hence why I think they will be going back to Japan shortly.

[kingkilburn]

When I said "going around" I meant to press events in general.

[SimpleS14]

Definitely agree the car will be based off the FM platform. I wouldn't be surprised if the first test mules are using chopped up Z34 bodies.

[exitspeed]

I agree with the FM platform. There's NOOOO way Nissan is going to use a platform that's decades old and hasn't been in production for over a decade.

[fliprayzin240sx]

If these are not even riding prototype chassis then they are simply 100% one-off cars that are designed to be a styling exercise and a market test.

If there is not already a chassis designed and being built somewhere these will not be ready by 2016. That is WAY SUPER AGGRESSIVE TIMING.

So wait, these are not using the same frames as the Rouge and Juke?!?! I figured thats what this thing is sitting on.

[Future240]

^No it is rumored the concepts are sitting on s15 chassis'.

[1 88 U]

Well another fear is that they do surpass the FRS/BRZ... as is, and Toyota drops a big ol' "F U NISSAN" with a mid cycle refresh. Suddenly we have that monster FRS we keep dreaming of.


It's not like it will be hard for them either. The 2015 Legacy already has a turbo FA20 making 295hp with better gas mileage.

[dorkidori_s13]

So wait, these are not using the same frames as the Rouge and Juke?!?! I figured thats what this thing is sitting on.

the IDx is longitudinally mounted motor chassis thats rear wheel drive only...the Juke/Rogue are transversely mounted motor chassis' that are front wheel or all wheel drive only.

[fliprayzin240sx]

^No it is rumored the concepts are sitting on s15 chassis'.

Eh? What's the chance of that happening considering the chassis hasnt been in production for over 12 yrs. Nissan bought 2 old S15s, stripped the body off the frame and retooled it with the IDX body?

Unless, they gave the design team a restricted budget and the team decided it'll be cheaper to reuse a chassis. But sound too far fetched for a big company like Nissan to do. Then again, they did this with the Z-tune R34s.

[simmode1]

It's not like it will be hard for them either. The 2015 Legacy already has a turbo FA20 making 295hp with better gas mileage.
I don't see that being a problem if the Freeflow is FRS-priced, but rated at 230 to 250hp while the Nismo offers a bigger turbo. Similar to WRX vs STI.

I am not at all worried about losing to the FRS. If the FRS gets a turbo, I'll happily consider both options. I don't really care what brand the car is when they have pedigrees like Nissan & Toyota as long as its RWD, coupe 2+2 & turbo.

[SimpleS14]

Eh? What's the chance of that happening considering the chassis hasnt been in production for over 12 yrs. Nissan bought 2 old S15s, stripped the body off the frame and retooled it with the IDX body?

Unless, they gave the design team a restricted budget and the team decided it'll be cheaper to reuse a chassis. But sound too far fetched for a big company like Nissan to do. Then again, they did this with the Z-tune R34s.



If the wheelbase of the IDX concepts measure the same as the S15 (from hub to hub) this is possible. They could have picked up some pristine S15s in a junkyard and go to work on them.

I still think the actual production car will be based on the FM platform.

[Gnnr]

Remember these concepts were in RHD not LHD. Hence why I think they will be going back to Japan shortly.

Actually, that's a good point. That makes me think that being built for the Japan market is more definite than US market, hence the shopping around the US.

[EchoOfSilence]

The IDx pair are definitely going back to Japan

[dorkidori_s13]

ah yes, i love how many articles and bits n pieces are being revealed about the car...AND IT HASNT EVEN GONE TO PRODUCTION YET!!! SO MUCH EXCITE!!!! lol (yes, in a Borat voice too)

Nissan Nismo IDX Concept - First Drive - Road & Track (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/first-drives/nissan-idx-nismo-concept-things-we-learned?src=soc_fcbks)

Nissan IDX Concept - Future Car News - Road & Track (http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/future-cars/future-car-news/nissan-idx-rendering-concept)

[kingkilburn]

As old as the FM platform is and with the major changes they are trying to make to the Z and G I don't know that any of them will be on the FM any longer.

I would think that the major changes between the Z and the GTR will be the basis of the new platform.

[simmode1]

Man, I've been begging for someone to photoshop the Freeflow into one color.... Finally! I still expect some work to that nose. Looks too flat & damaging to pedestrians. I still want that fornt fender fixed too. Don't like how it protrudes into the headlight... I like where this is going... but at the same time, the front reminds me of a B13 Sentra now... lol
http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roadandtrack/images/TC/NissanIDx_illus_cdauto_12114_1.jpg

[kingkilburn]

In fact, we learned that the floating roof C-pillar design will become a major Nissan design cue on future production Nissans and will appear first on the next-generation Murano. Arroba says it would be very unlikely that a production IDx wouldn’t have this design element.


Thought I'd highlight that and the fact that they seem to think these concepts have SR20DEs under the hood. Of all the engines on the shelves of Nissan I feel like the use of that one is kind of making a statement. EDIt The same guy also said that the upkick in the C pillar is staying.



Or the S15s they started with had them already. lol

[jamanrr]

We'll the sr20 IMO is one of the best 4 cylinders ever made. It was in everything from b13 and 14 sentras/ nx2ks on to Silvia's. Come to think of it that Nismo rumble did sound familiar. Could be an sr20 hence why they did not let the drivers rev the engine or go above 15 mph.

[Corbic]

Man, I've been begging for someone to photoshop the Freeflow into one color.... Finally! I still expect some work to that nose. Looks too flat & damaging to pedestrians. I still want that fornt fender fixed too. Don't like how it protrudes into the headlight... I like where this is going... but at the same time, the front reminds me of a B13 Sentra now... lol
http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roadandtrack/images/TC/NissanIDx_illus_cdauto_12114_1.jpg

Exactly. It looks like this 510 Render from a billion years ago.

http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s529/Matthew_Hekkert/neo510-1_zps3a691ef8.jpg

Which looks exactly like this...

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac165/clean_blog/Hector%20B13/PB230179.jpg

If we want something to look dated, why not make it actually look good.
http://oi47.tinypic.com/e0sysm.jpg

Just update the tail lights.

[Corbic]

We'll the sr20 IMO is one of the best 4 cylinders ever made. It was in everything from b13 and 14 sentras/ nx2ks on to Silvia's. Come to think of it that Nismo rumble did sound familiar. Could be an sr20 hence why they did not let the drivers rev the engine or go above 15 mph.

Yes... so then history can repeat it's self.

Japan will get the SR, but because of cost and emissions, we'll get the 152hp 2.5L QR25DE out of the Frontier.

[jamanrr]

Yes... so then history can repeat it's self.

Japan will get the SR, but because of cost and emissions, we'll get the 152hp 2.5L QR25DE out of the Frontier.

SR or MR, it is a world market now right

[Corbic]

SR or MR, it is a world market now right

The SR is dead.

QR replaced it and is a world engine.

[dorkidori_s13]

Japan will get the SR, but because of cost and emissions, we'll get the 152hp 2.5L QR25DE out of the Frontier.

you are SOOOOOOO wrong about that...just sayin.

had nothing to do with costs or emissions...had everything to do with the lack of the GTRs in America....PERIOD!

and no, well be getting the MR16ddt (rather MR20ddt stroked for much needed torque) from the Juke. The QR25de is slowly being replaced by the MR series due to its world availability and better technologies. Also, the MR16ddt is the only 4 cylinder turbo motor in Nissans lineup (and is 100% legal in the US as its in the Juke)