Calling Sr or 1JZ what would you pick for $400

[FeArZ]

Hello all,

My Ka-t bit the dust and as much as I loved it. It did have 200k on it.

My orginal plan was s14 sr, gt2871, Jwt s3hl and ect to get around 360ish
Now my mechanic friend owes me and said he can put me a 1jz for the cost of the driveshaft which I believe he said was about $400.
To make it clearer basically I helped him out and instead of paying me he was going to do the SR swap drop in turn key for me. Now he said he will do the 1J I just have to buy the driveshaft.

So it's Sr vs 1jz for about $400

Key points
This car will be a daily (reliable)
It will be used for highway (some pulls) and messing around no competition.
Basically a toy.

I have never owned neither of these motors so I'm lost on maintaince and other things expense wise.
Please share your thoughts and experience Zilvia. Thanks for your time and patience.

[di-devol]

He will get you and install a 1j with trans?

Good luck with that.

[badbob2121]

Both are great platforms.. but I have never personally owned a 1JZ, so I have no input there.

But the SR is a great engine and the simplicity of the swap is a major plus. Maintenance is simple and there is tons of information available online, plus tons of affordable aftermarket support.

[Chunter]

there couldn't possibly be any threads on zilvia comparing a 1jz to a SR. great idea to finally make one.

[FeArZ]

He will get you and install a 1j with trans?

Good luck with that.

That's what he said. He owns a shop so he said that the rates are similar. He will custom make the mounts and everything. I helped him out and instead of paying me he was going to do the SR swap drop in turn key for me. Now he said he will do the 1J I just have to buy the driveshaft.

^ also added to the first post to stop confusion.

[FeArZ]

there couldn't possibly be any threads on zilvia comparing a 1jz to a SR. great idea to finally make one.

I know there are a few, but i'm sure not one talking about a $400 difference between one another. Thanks for your time and patience.

[simmode1]

Hmmm... A $3500 swap or a $6000+ swap. Decisions decisions...

Seriously though: What did you do to have him owing you a 1jz swap? Save his daughter from sex slavers or something?

Just my opinion though but if dude really is a friend, I wouldn't extort him with such an expensive ass swap while footing none of the bill.

I'd be surprised if dude knew what he was getting into offering to comp you that swap. If I were you, I'd just be a friend and be happy with the SR. Just have him rebuild it first. It'll be cheaper to install, cheaper to make reliable, cheaper to maintain and still PLENTY of fun (especialliy coming from an N/A KA).

If you're set on the 1JZ, I think it would be cheaper to sell your 240, buy an SC300 shell and put the 1JZ in there...

[di-devol]

Oh, I don't think I understood your question then. You mean the install price is a $400 difference? So you would still need to get the swap?

It's more than a $400 difference regardless of installing.

[FeArZ]

Both are great platforms.. but I have never personally owned a 1JZ, so I have no input there.

But the SR is a great engine and the simplicity of the swap is a major plus. Maintenance is simple and there is tons of information available online, plus tons of affordable aftermarket support.

That's what I have seen I have basically all the information on the Sr20 I will hopefully ever need.

I haven't even started to see if the information is as available for the 1J. I guess hopping on some supra forums will help if I go that route.

[simmode1]

Doublepost

/facepalm

[FeArZ]

Hmmm... A $3500 swap or a $6000+ swap. Decisions decisions...

Seriously though: What did you do to have him owing you a 1jz swap? Save his daughter from sex slavers or something?

I'd be surprised if dude knew what he was getting into offering to comp you that swap. If I were you, I'd just be a friend and be happy with the SR. Just have him rebuild it first. It'll be cheaper to install and cheaper to make reliable and cheaper to maintain.

Just my opinion though.

Lol I wish. It would be a "Hey guys I'm going turbo LSx" thread.

Basically I was just talking about how I love the sound and I wonder what a 1jz swap would cost. He said I'll check and came back with "just give the money for the driveshaft on top of what I'm doing the Sr for"

[sterlinge]

If you can pull a valve cover and check how clean the engine is along with compression #'s would go 1j. Whichever engine is cleaner will be the better choice.

[FeArZ]

If you can pull a valve cover and check how clean the engine is along with compression #'s would go 1j. Whichever engine is cleaner will be the better choice.

He has done these swaps before. He said he will give me a drop in 30 day turn key warranty. I'm going to discuss it with him more tommorow I don't want unknown swap expenses to pop up before I can enjoy the car. It's been down for a month.

[brndck]

1j > SR.

Now explain again how he is doing an engine swap for free again???

[FeArZ]

1j > SR.

Now explain again how he is doing an engine swap for free again???

Basically, I helped out in the shop and was actually planning a sr swap. So I had been waiting for that engine to come in along with the others he ordered. So I kept working then when my KA-T went boom. I told him just do the swap which he charges 4g's for drop in s14 sr turn key warranty. So he is bringing in a shipment of engines which my Sr is in along with a 1j. So we were talking about the sound and stuff and I mentioned "what was the price" for the 1J swap. He pulled it up in the computer and said I charge about the same so "just cover the driveshaft"

[AZRB20]

I would go 1J

[sterlinge]

On a 1j you will have to spend 300 for swap mounts. 300 minimum driveshaft. 100-200 getting your oem gauges working or replacing them. Then the engine and trans costs 800-900 more than a sr swap. If you really have a choice jz is a better deal.

[sskracing]

Sounds like a retarded awesome deal! Im almost done with my jzx90(1jzgte) swap in my s14. Personally would vouch 1j over sr, if the extra front weight isnt an issue for you. More torque and power potential if you dont have to break the bank with the cost of the completing the swap initially. As for driveshaft i went through Driveshafts - Custom Made Driveshafts- Aluminum Driveshafts and Steel Driveshafts by Shaftmasters Inc (http://www.shaftmasters.com)

[FeArZ]

On a 1j you will have to spend 300 for swap mounts. 300 minimum driveshaft. 100-200 getting your oem gauges working or replacing them. Then the engine and trans costs 800-900 more than a sr swap. If you really have a choice jz is a better deal.

He is making mounts, I'm buying driveshaft, not sure about gauges, he orders motors by the truck load so he might have got a hell of a deal not sure. Its not set in stone I will talk with him about it. I don't want him to start and then be "oh you also need this and this" But since he offers a 30 day warranty on the swap I may take the 1J. I'm not sure.lol

[FeArZ]

Sounds like a retarded awesome deal! Im almost done with my jzx90(1jzgte) swap in my s14. Personally would vouch 1j over sr, if the extra front weight isnt an issue for you. More torque and power potential if you dont have to break the bank with the cost of the completing the swap initially. As for driveshaft i went through Driveshafts - Custom Made Driveshafts- Aluminum Driveshafts and Steel Driveshafts by Shaftmasters Inc (http://www.shaftmasters.com)

Not drifting or anything. If I do it's only to get sideways messing around. Just maybe highway pulls for fun every now and then.

Car will be daily on stock motor with whatever setup I go with for Atleast a year. I wanted about 300whp. So Sr on stock 11ish pounds(stock solenoid) I'm guessing 210ish. Stock 1J dropped in only mod FMIC I'm guessing 260-280ish.

Also thanks for the Link

[brndck]

Yeah 1j has better power potential with basic bolt ons compared to an sr. Sounds like you're getting hooked up!

[Options13]

lol.. as stated previously, a 3k swap VS a 6k + swap, the answer is obvious.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Any turbo inline six engine > SR...

[S13GG]

which generation of 1JZ? (there were 3)

attached to a R154, I'd go with the toyota option..

[7evil]

1jz it's so much better

[rwtf]

this is stupid. 1 fucking j. herp de derp.....

[FeArZ]

We will see im going to discus it more today. I know the 1j is the better option. Im not sure what trans he is giving me and I still need to factor in making a custom dp. Also clarify if the price includes making my gauges work. Maybe fuel lines need to be talked about too.
We will see.

[simmode1]

Ahhh... That explanation makes more sense now. You're still getting over on your buddy, but sounds like he doesn't mind. In that case, 1jz in a heart beat.

[EatRice]

vvl > your BS 6 cyl

[stroked_jz]

Ill start by saying that when it comes down to it, you can get a sr20/trans for the same price as a 1j/r154. The shops here in texas are selling sr/trans for roughly 2-2.2k, were the 1j/r154 will go for 2.1-2.4k. So esentially, they are the same price. The mounting kit, thats only $360. So i dont really see where the idea of a $6k swap comes into play for who ever mentioned that. Hell, GS Motorsports will do a full 2j/r154 swap with wiring piping and all for 5k, and thats for a motor that cost 1k more then the 1j... Thats including motor/trans, and thats through a well known shop out of Texas. That being said, Ive never owned an sr, ive seen them in action. And I know they can be quick. But when it comes down to it, you will not get the power out of a sr, that you will get out of a 1j. Not only that, but dam near every part for the 2j is interchangable with the 1j. The only thing that isnt interchangable is cam shafts, exhaust mani, and intake mani. There may be a few others that im missing, but regardless. The performance stand point of it is, finding parts for the 1j are easy as can be. I myself have had one 1j, 1 2j-ge, and 1 2j gte, and I would never settle for less. I came from the v8 world to the inline6 game and never regretted it. If I were you, I would do it right the 1st time and go 1jz. I promise you, you wont regret it.

[stroked_jz]

Not drifting or anything. If I do it's only to get sideways messing around. Just maybe highway pulls for fun every now and then.

Car will be daily on stock motor with whatever setup I go with for Atleast a year. I wanted about 300whp. So Sr on stock 11ish pounds(stock solenoid) I'm guessing 210ish. Stock 1J dropped in only mod FMIC I'm guessing 260-280ish.

Also thanks for the Link

Also, your goal for 300wheel is easy with a 1jz. I made 300/300tq with a stock 1jz, 3" exhaust, hard piping and intercooler on stock 9psi. The 1jz stock twins are shitty. They are ceramic and only good for about 11psi. Anything more and they will break(depending on how hard you are on them). Just food for thought.

[ixfxi]

Why is this a thread that anyone would care about?

Once again, motion to ban.

Its your car, do whatever the fuck you want to do. Install a nuclear generator, rocket-engine, no one cares.

[stroked_jz]

Why is this a thread that anyone would care about?

Once again, motion to ban.

Its your car, do whatever the fuck you want to do. Install a nuclear generator, rocket-engine, no one cares.

its a forum being used for what it was intended to be used for. you have a problem with the thread? then dont read it. nobody asked you to come in wasting your own time and making a post. seems like you OBVIOUSLY have better things to do then waste your time on a thread that nobody should "care about"

[ixfxi]

because this is no different than a "how much is this car worth" thread

guy has to chose between a turbo-4 and a turbo-6 and cant seem to weight the differences. for fucks sake, he's not even doing the work. if this guy was to turn a fuckin wrench, i would understand. he's basically trying to figure out why one would be better than the other. you want the answer? do some research, come to your own conclusions.

off the top of my head, how about this:
sr20det = its stock and designed to fully-bolt into our cars
1jz-gte = its not designed to fit in our cars. its designed to fit inside a soarer.

there, now you guys have the answer and can eat a bag of dicks

[stroked_jz]

you know what. since you feel like being a complete douche bag. how bout you do some fucking research to. they also came in the supra mk3's as well. Im sure your quiet good at eating bags of dicks..

[FeArZ]

Well it's decided I'm going 1j. We talked it out and the only things I'm paying for is the driveshaft and the dakota digital converter boxes for the gauges.

[ixfxi]

you know what. since you feel like being a complete douche bag. how bout you do some fucking research to. they also came in the supra mk3's as well. Im sure your quiet good at eating bags of dicks..

Now seriously, come now...

why would I give a fuck about a piece of junk car like the MKIII Supra?

Thats like me giving a damn about a 200SX (RWD or FWD). Its all fucking junk.

[stroked_jz]

Now seriously, come now...

why would I give a fuck about a piece of junk car like the MKIII Supra?

Thats like me giving a damn about a 200SX (RWD or FWD). Its all fucking junk.

lol you have obviously never driven a mk3 then.

[ixfxi]

lol you have obviously never driven a mk3 then.

What kind of stupid shit is this? I own an SC (also a piece of junk). The MKIII Supra is way-worse than the SC. 7M.... sigh. Nothing makes me more sick than an intake manifold that goes over the head sideways.

The MKIII Supra is a jank car owned by people who wish they had MKIV Supra's but are too cheap to justify the costs.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/3rd_Toyota_Supra.jpg
http://www.billelgin.com/private/wheels/art/supra_inside.jpg

Miller: And I want a new car! And I want the city to pay for it all!
Lt Hedgecock: What kind of car, Miller?
Miller: Something with reclining leather seats, that goes really fast, and gets really shitty gas mileage! Alright.

[kOOpA]

SR came in the chassis in question. That means:

1. It's gonna be cheaper
2. It's gonna be easier to do AC (if this is not an interest, you're just not old enough and tired of race car shit in general)
3. It shouldn't overheat in its new chassis

[FeArZ]

Every thing is pretty much decided on. Gauges boxes come today. Koyo rad on the way. Oil cooler with thermostat will go on a couple of weeks after the swap is done. Cutting bumper so cooler will fit by the fog light.
Last thing to figure out is the shifter. How is the shifter placement without extension?

[vJilly]

I read in a build thread today that 3 inches should be perfect.

[FeArZ]

I read in a build thread today that 3 inches should be perfect.

Can it be made to work without an extension though?

Not really trying to send a core out and wait 3 weeks.

[kOOpA]

Hai gais I plan to do a cross-chassis motor swap and I need it to be as affordable, easy, and quick as a same-chassis motor swap plz explain ready GO!

[Tempo]

Like stated before 3k swap < 6k swap

1JZ - As for your concern about the motor and its info, It will come with time/experience and if all goes bad you will still have your mechanic buddy to help you troubleshoot/source out your problems.

+ 1JZ bouncing off the rev limiter/screaming = sex to the ears.

Seems like the obvious answer - you were looking for assurance I'm guessing.

:bigok:

[stroked_jz]

What kind of stupid shit is this? I own an SC (also a piece of junk). The MKIII Supra is way-worse than the SC. 7M.... sigh. Nothing makes me more sick than an intake manifold that goes over the head sideways.

The MKIII Supra is a jank car owned by people who wish they had MKIV Supra's but are too cheap to justify the costs.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/3rd_Toyota_Supra.jpg
http://www.billelgin.com/private/wheels/art/supra_inside.jpg

Miller: And I want a new car! And I want the city to pay for it all!
Lt Hedgecock: What kind of car, Miller?
Miller: Something with reclining leather seats, that goes really fast, and gets really shitty gas mileage! Alright.

You know its really funny that you say that. My 1st supra was bought go figure after watching F&F, which was a mk4. Dont get me wrong, was a great car, but i was way to young for a car like that. I would not call that car better by any means. The car felt like a big piece of plastic and cheap. I then went to the mk3's and have been there every since. I would say it is a much better car as long as you ditch the pos 7m...

[ixfxi]

You bought a Supra after watching Fast and Furious.

(sigh)

The car felt plastic because the car you bought was a toy replica from the movie.

Come on man, please... stop talking. One (quick) glance at the above photos should tell you that you're hitting the pipe. I cant think of ONE thing that is better on the MKIII than the MKIV.

[stroked_jz]

i was 19. young and dumb if you will. but say what ever you want about the mk3. I know plenty of people that have dumped more money in a mk3 then what it would cost you to buy an amg mercades out right...

[FeArZ]

Lol with the back and fourth. I just need to know about the shifter. Can it be made to work without the extension?


I would love to have a mkiv though.lol

[di-devol]

If you cut the shit outta the trans tunnel, and shift by your stereo, sure.

[FeArZ]

If you cut the shit outta the trans tunnel, and shift by your stereo, sure.

Damn, I was trying to get around waiting to send the core out to driftmotion or somewhere. I'm going to try to source one I guess.

[ixfxi]

dude, quit being a pussy. send the part out for machining. do it once and do it right

its bad enough you're installing an antiquated toyota motor in a nissan, might as well do it right.

if you wanted to keep things simple, you would have chosen the motor that was designed to fit in your chassis.

gaddamn, 20 year olds...

[FeArZ]

dude, quit being a pussy. send the part out for machining. do it once and do it right

its bad enough you're installing an antiquated toyota motor in a nissan, might as well do it right.

if you wanted to keep things simple, you would have chosen the motor that was designed to fit in your chassis.

gaddamn, 20 year olds...

Got an extension last night, but thanks bro.