4k ultra hd tv's?

[Felipe]

I was :drool: so I even made them put on a Blu-ray dvd (because they was running a 4k demo)and still was like :drool: until I saw the price, then I was like :doh: lol

are they really worth it?

[tricky_ab]

If you have the cash, heck yeah!

Seriously, there's no real content, but it's coming. Everything that I've viewed on 4K displays had an amazing image. There was great added depth to the image. I'm more sold on 4K tech with front projectors. My last projector was a 4K lite model, so it wasn't true 4K spec. It was rather close, and I LOVED the image it produced.

The demos I had of Sony's true 4K spec projector was $14,000. I'm hoping to see them under $10,000 in the next year or two. I'm still in the planning phase for my basement so I have time :)

I'm planning to buy one to replace the 55" LED I have in my loft space, I'm just waiting for the larger sizes (65"+ models) to be priced under $5K Canadian. CES is in a week so hopefully I'll see something up my alley.

[HyperTek]

i barely got my step pops a bluray player. I think my fam here doesn't see much difference between 720 and 1080p lol.

Give it some time I say.

[WIKID S4TEEN]

Yeah, goggle Sony 84" UHD.
$24K LOL

[BOROSUN]

right now, 4k content is missing. unless you like pc media/photo/gaming with massively dope resolution.

for tvs I would wait a little bit. wait for content and technology to mature...like oled 4k and actual true 4k resolution. for monitors that LG 31mu91 true 4k, It's making me itch for it. but, I wish they made a faster response 4k monitor already.

def. the larger the better for 4k

[Felipe]

I saw them at best buy. they had sony 55" and Samsung 65" the Samsung I made them play BR. he explaind that since the movie is not 4k the tv upconverts it to like 3k or some thing similar. the 65" was at $3k

[drift freaq]

Seriously guys don't let them snow you. Fact is 99% of broadcast is still 720p . Blue Ray is 1080P . 4K? Only people even near that realm are high end graphics. No viewing content yet that is that high. It will be several years before there is considering broadcast has not even gone to 1080 yet. Ya it does not matter cable/ Dish etc.... its just not there.

[silverarrow27]

^^^True, I think the only movie available in true 4K is The Hobbit only according to an article I read a while back about the movie and Peter Jackson. I would definitely wait on getting these overpriced televisions until more content is available to actually utilize 4K.

[S14DB]

^^^True, I think the only movie available in true 4K is The Hobbit only according to an article I read a while back about the movie and Peter Jackson. I would definitely wait on getting these overpriced televisions until more content is available to actually utilize 4K.
All the movies on digital cinema projectors since 2012 are 4k. They all run on 300gb hard discs.

The problem is BluRay is 1080p. There is no 4k content optical disc. Cable, Satellite don't have enough bandwidth to be pumping multiple streams of 250 megabit-per-second into peoples houses. They can barely do 720P. Everything is going to be upscaled for a while until a bluray killer emerges.

When setting up (average)peoples equipment, no one can tell 720p from 1080p. I have to hold my tongue when they can't tell 480p from 720p. It kind of pisses me off that they are throwing so much behind 4k TV's when they totally botched 21:9.

Can someone explain why DCP is 4096x2160 but the 4K tvs are 3840x2160? 4K Scope (2.39:1) is 4096x1716 and 4K Flat (1.85:1) is 3996x2160.

[tricky_ab]

For movies, this could be quick. Storage is a concern, if we move to HEVC on the codec side, even better. HEVC could be a software upgrade for your PS4's, brand new bluray players, etc. So people buy a new TV, upgrade their player, voila! 4K home movies!

Broadcast, whole other story. Over the air stations will probably never do it. Because of bandwidth limitations for both Cable and Satellite, you will definitely need HEVC. This will require new set top boxes so it would have to be a premium service, at least initially.

HBO and ESPN in 4K are definitely possible. All content will be upscaled from 1080p60 to 4K initially, it will still look great. Native 4K live content will come when the HEVC codec matures.

[upsdude]

720p/1080p looks good enough anyways. if you want your picture to look even more realistic than that, then just go outside and look at real stuff lol

edit:
this kind of stuff always happen-remember when 1080p was brand new, and the tv's capable of such resolutions were so expensive? just wait out the initial hype and the technology will get cheaper.

[drift freaq]

The funny thing about all this stuff is I have come to prefer the picture on a Plasma be it 1080P or 720P over the picture on a LED backlit LCD. The LED TV pic is just strange to me. It does not look like you are watching analog or digital film. That may seem strange but its just something I have noticed.

[BOROSUN]

Can someone explain why DCP is 4096x2160 but the 4K tvs are 3840x2160? 4K Scope (2.39:1) is 4096x1716 and 4K Flat (1.85:1) is 3996x2160.

it has to do with tvs sizes / aspect ratio 1.78:1 so, resolution is watered down. I guess they call it industry standard 4k 3840x2160.

monitors can run ultra wide and the wider format is becoming more popular. i expect to see more true 4k res 4096x2160. its a great direction because multi monitor setups are a pain.

[tricky_ab]

720p/1080p looks good enough anyways. if you want your picture to look even more realistic than that, then just go outside and look at real stuff lol

edit:
this kind of stuff always happen-remember when 1080p was brand new, and the tv's capable of such resolutions were so expensive? just wait out the initial hype and the technology will get cheaper.

Meh, flag ship models always demand top dollars for the best PQ. It's not to say that the technology overall will not trickle down to cheaper models, but they won't share the same overall quality.

The funny thing about all this stuff is I have come to prefer the picture on a Plasma be it 1080P or 720P over the picture on a LED backlit LCD. The LED TV pic is just strange to me. It does not look like you are watching analog or digital film. That may seem strange but its just something I have noticed.

Nah, motion is a lot better on plasma sets overall. The only set I've seen that has come close, were Sony's XBR series units. Samsung is getting better, but for LED, it's a Sony that you're after (and this is coming from someone who owns both a high end Samsung LED and plasma set.

it has to do with tvs sizes / aspect ratio 1.78:1 so, resolution is watered down. I guess they call it industry standard 4k 3840x2160.

monitors can run ultra wide and the wider format is becoming more popular. i expect to see more true 4k res 4096x2160. its a great direction because multi monitor setups are a pain.

Well stated... :l101:

[drift freaq]

Nah, motion is a lot better on plasma sets overall. The only set I've seen that has come close, were Sony's XBR series units. Samsung is getting better, but for LED, it's a Sony that you're after (and this is coming from someone who owns both a high end Samsung LED and plasma set.



I know that, its why I own and love my Panasonic Plasma. I was just commenting on how odd LED/LCD's look in comparison. Of course I have not checked out the Sony XBR's.

[Felipe]

I know that, its why I own and love my Panasonic Plasma. I was just commenting on how odd LED/LCD's look in comparison. Of course I have not checked out the Sony XBR's.

I bought my Samsung plasma few years back and picture still is clean like newer tvs. that realistic look with led/lcd is something im thinking about switching over. but then I love clean digital movie look too. 50/50 on my next tv (that's this year) that's why I was best buy looking at them.
.

[drift freaq]

I bought my Samsung plasma few years back and picture still is clean like newer tvs. that realistic look with led/lcd is something im thinking about switching over. but then I love clean digital movie look too. 50/50 on my next tv (that's this year) that's why I was best buy looking at them.
.
If you are into sports and movies nothing beats a Plasma except DLP. DLP outside of stand alone projectors are pretty much non existent these days new. Plus they were monstrous as in big TV's. They made big flat screens look compact. lol

[Felipe]

a aint going that big, more like 55"-60". 65" is too big for me

[drift freaq]

a aint going that big, more like 55"-60". 65" is too big for me
I own a 50" Panasonic. I was going to go 42 but the right deal came along on the 50 and now I cannot see going any smaller. lol Smaller sets look tiny.

[S14DB]

a aint going that big, more like 55"-60". 65" is too big for me
That's what she said...

I own a 50" Panasonic. I was going to go 42 but the right deal came along on the 50 and now I cannot see going any smaller. lol Smaller sets look tiny.

It's funny how when I look at someone's set up and they want to put a certain size TV in and I tell them they should get the next size up. Most of the time they end up swapping it out for the next size up.

[tricky_ab]

I always say to buy the largest display you can for your space. Nothing is worse then buyers remorse...

[Felipe]

im looking at 60" tvs 55" is ok, but I know with tvs its "go big or go home"

[S14DB]

im looking at 60" tvs 55" is ok, but I know with tvs its "go big or go home"

How long is the throw distance? TV to seat backs.
Optimum HDTV viewing distance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_HDTV_viewing_distance)

I like Samsung's new UHD TVs...

_tqRyzTvNKE

[Felipe]

my throw is good for that size. I can even do 65" but don't have the tv space for it.


now I have to wait for 4k content (movies), buy a good 4k player for my 4k tv with hdmi 4k cable... ugh :o( upgrade everything. that's not gonna happen till 2yrs min?

[tricky_ab]

my throw is good for that size. I can even do 65" but don't have the tv space for it.


now I have to wait for 4k content (movies), buy a good 4k player for my 4k tv with hdmi 4k cable... ugh :o( upgrade everything. that's not gonna happen till 2yrs min?

It's a damn shame that these companies are not working together on an actual standard for distribution of the signal, and media.

Right now it's all up in the air. The only company who's willing to double down is Samsung. If you currently buy one of their 4K tv's, they will update the distribution box (HDMI) for the next 4 years if the tech changes (and a actual standard come out).

[Felipe]

damm you 4K lol

now even the 4K tvs the 3D picture will drop down to 720p? thats no bueno on a 60" and up... heck 720p on a 55 makes me kinda ehhh o.O lol

[S14DB]

damm you 4K lol

now even the 4K tvs the 3D picture will drop down to 720p? thats no bueno on a 60" and up... heck 720p on a 55 makes me kinda ehhh o.O lol
No, 4k 3D is two 2k images.

[tricky_ab]

No, 4k 3D is two 2k images.

So it would either be 1920*2160 or 2840*1080.

[S14DB]

So it would either be 1920*2160 or 2840*1080.
1920×1080 for UHDTV(16:9).

[Felipe]

1920×1080 for UHDTV(16:9).

http://blogimages.bloggen.be/william_peynsaert/small_2037427-17ee6d5b8de926983b07d36fe0c7792a.jpg

[Felipe]

so I decided to set aside this beautiful monster of definition and just focus on whats in now. Even tho I will end up buying this sht few years down the road and replacing all of blueray crap lol but for now...

so far im liking.. 240hz and up, Samsung, 3d, 55 - 60... stick to plasma or go led?

[tricky_ab]

so I decided to set aside this beautiful monster of definition and just focus on whats in now. Even tho I will end up buying this sht few years down the road and replacing all of blueray crap lol but for now...

so far im liking.. 240hz and up, Samsung, 3d, 55 - 60... stick to plasma or go led?

If you have a more lighted controlled room, I'd go with plasma. Better motion, and colour accuracy. And this is coming from a guy who owns both a high end plasma and LED set.

[Felipe]

1+ for plasma...

plasma= non or I should say less realism with in the picture.
led= more realism aka fake looking with in the picture.

coming from just plasma world, led picture is really getting my attention, picture change I guess. but with the plasma you don't have to deal with all that blurr motion.

[blasting_speed]

This video has some really good info.

4K Video: Explained! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVLyd9_czWE&feature=youtu.be)

I'm very interested in buying a 4K TV too. I'm just waiting for my 32'' TV to die out.

Here's some video shot in 4K.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GYrbecb88&feature=youtu.be

[Felipe]

This video has some really good info.

4K Video: Explained! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVLyd9_czWE&feature=youtu.be)

I'm very interested in buying a 4K TV too. I'm just waiting for my 32'' TV to die out.

Here's some video shot in 4K.

TimeScapes 4K - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GYrbecb88&feature=youtu.be)

I could only get youtube to open in 4k on a small window :naw:




:eek3: must resist "open box floor model" 55" 4k for $2k

[tricky_ab]

Damn, that's cheap! If something like that was local to me, I'd scoop it up.

I'm still playing with the idea of buying a 4K set (65"-75") while my basement project is underway. It will be a nice little stop gap till it's finished and I can get my front projector (4K if they ever dip below $10K in the next year or two). My last projector was 4K lite (or E-shift) from JVC. It was pretty much two 1080P panels that "talk" to each other to give added PQ and depth. To my eyes it was the best image in the $5-10K range.

After getting a few demos of the Sony VPL VW1000, I have to own one (Or any time of true 4K spec projector). I'm planning for the space to hold a 130" screen as well.

[blasting_speed]

I could only get youtube to open in 4k on a small window :naw:




:eek3: must resist "open box floor model" 55" 4k for $2k


$2K is a lot of money for a tele' lol

Consider how much time you spend watching or using your set now before investing.

[blasting_speed]

Damn, that's cheap! If something like that was local to me, I'd scoop it up.

I'm still playing with the idea of buying a 4K set (65"-75") while my basement project is underway. It will be a nice little stop gap till it's finished and I can get my front projector (4K if they ever dip below $10K in the next year or two). My last projector was 4K lite (or E-shift) from JVC. It was pretty much two 1080P panels that "talk" to each other to give added PQ and depth. To my eyes it was the best image in the $5-10K range.

After getting a few demos of the Sony VPL VW1000, I have to own one (Or any time of true 4K spec projector). I'm planning for the space to hold a 130" screen as well.


I really don't see the appeal of projectors.

Is it because of the mobility???

[Felipe]

Damn, that's cheap! If something like that was local to me, I'd scoop it up.

I'm still playing with the idea of buying a 4K set (65"-75") while my basement project is underway. It will be a nice little stop gap till it's finished and I can get my front projector (4K if they ever dip below $10K in the next year or two). My last projector was 4K lite (or E-shift) from JVC. It was pretty much two 1080P panels that "talk" to each other to give added PQ and depth. To my eyes it was the best image in the $5-10K range.

After getting a few demos of the Sony VPL VW1000, I have to own one (Or any time of true 4K spec projector). I'm planning for the space to hold a 130" screen as well.

130" :eek: fuck the movies im coming over your house lol

[Felipe]

$2K is a lot of money for a tele' lol

Consider how much time you spend watching or using your set now before investing.

I use it a lot. enough for me to give in, at the right price lol :tardrim:

[tricky_ab]

I really don't see the appeal of projectors.

Is it because of the mobility???

What?

It's fixed... It's nothing like a business projector.

Here's a few pictures from my last setup...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/trickyab/Sony%20Pearl%20Setup/Screenshots/DSC_0184.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/trickyab/Sony%20Pearl%20Setup/Screenshots/DSC_0235.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/trickyab/Sony%20Pearl%20Setup/Screenshots/DSC_0244.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/trickyab/Sony%20Pearl%20Setup/Screenshots/DSC_0284.jpg

That was on a 106" 16:9 screen.

It's more of a niche product since you have to have a light controlled space. That being said, I've had some sort of a projector setup over the last 8 years, and there's no going back for me.

[S14DB]

What?

It's fixed... It's nothing like a business projector.

Here's a few pictures from my last setup...

That was on a 106" 16:9 screen.

It's more of a niche product since you have to have a light controlled space. That being said, I've had some sort of a projector setup over the last 8 years, and there's no going back for me.
What? No 2.35:1?

http://www.artbeats.com/demo_reels/60

[tricky_ab]

I had just seen Sony's pricing for their 2014 4K models. I was hoping that they would be a little bit cheaper, since I plan to spend the big bucks on a projector.

Next up to bat is Samsung....

What? No 2.35:1?

http://www.artbeats.com/demo_reels/60

For my next setup, I'm playing with the idea of a 130" curved 2:35 screen with a scope lens.

My last 16:9 screen was large enough that the 2:35 content was still dramatic to the viewer. Since I will be using this as more of a "movie" setup, I can drive in and go kinda nuts.

Oh but it will still be large enough to give me a 106" 16:9 image when I want to watch sports or HDTV broadcasts.

[S14DB]

I had just seen Sony's pricing for their 2014 4K models. I was hoping that they would be a little bit cheaper, since I plan to spend the big bucks on a projector.

Next up to bat is Samsung....



For my next setup, I'm playing with the idea of a 130" curved 2:35 screen with a scope lens.

My last 16:9 screen was large enough that the 2:35 content was still dramatic to the viewer. Since I will be using this as more of a "movie" setup, I can drive in and go kinda nuts.

Oh but it will still be large enough to give me a 106" 16:9 image when I want to watch sports or HDTV broadcasts.
After seeing a Runco CineWide with AutoScope. I am sold on a switching lens. To bad all their 4k stuff so far is TVs and not projectors.

I really like the Sony projectors too. But, OMG the prices on the 4k projectors.

[Felipe]

I had just seen Sony's pricing for their 2014 4K models. I was hoping that they would be a little bit cheaper, since I plan to spend the big bucks on a projector.

Next up to bat is Samsung....



For my next setup, I'm playing with the idea of a 130" curved 2:35 screen with a scope lens.

yeah that's another reason im going have to wait a few years :doh:


oh man don't even get me started on them curved tvs :D

[tricky_ab]

After seeing a Runco CineWide with AutoScope. I am sold on a switching lens. To bad all their 4k stuff so far is TVs and not projectors.

I really like the Sony projectors too. But, OMG the prices on the 4k projectors.

Oh for sure... The cheapest I was priced the Sony VPL-VW1000 was $12K :cry:

And I see you've had the chance to view some higher end spec product. It's nice to hear that there's some HT guys on this forum.

I still have to do the math and finalize the position of the projector so that I can see what math/spacing is involved for using a lens/projector combo in my space.

My last projector was $6K, and I said that I'm willing to top out at $8K. I was hoping to see more true 4K spec projectors under $10K but that didn't happen this year.

yeah that's another reason im going have to wait a few years :doh:


oh man don't even get me started on them curved tvs :D

Curved tv's won't ever happen for normal displays. The only time it would be practical would be a rather large screen (90"+) where the viewer would be sitting rather close. It would boost the immersion of the image with the viewer.

I'm planning a curved screen because of immersion and to help with the subtle pincushioned image that can be produced with a 2:35 image that large.

[S14DB]

Oh for sure... The cheapest I was priced the Sony VPL-VW1000 was $12K :cry:

And I see you've had the chance to view some higher end spec product. It's nice to hear that there's some HT guys on this forum.

I still have to do the math and finalize the position of the projector so that I can see what math/spacing is involved for using a lens/projector combo in my space.

My last projector was $6K, and I said that I'm willing to top out at $8K. I was hoping to see more true 4K spec projectors under $10K but that didn't happen this year.
Wildest display I have seen was Sony's frosted glass screen. Piece of glass in the center of the room with a projector at one end. Don't notice the projector at first so it looks like The glass is some sort of monitor.

Most all CinemaScope screens are Horizontally curved. A lot of 16:9 aren't, but they are usually budget screens. http://stewartfilmscreen.com/ are my favorites.

Ghastly markup is just like the 4k TV prices vs the 1080p prices. Once the hype dies down, so will the prices.

Curved tv's won't ever happen for normal displays. The only time it would be practical would be a rather large screen (90"+) where the viewer would be sitting rather close. It would boost the immersion of the image with the viewer.

I'm planning a curved screen because of immersion and to help with the subtle pincushioned image that can be produced with a 2:35 image that large.
Curved screen is to compensate for the light throw angle of the projector. The closer you are to the projector the more noticeable it is.
With the new energy conserving projectors and the dimensions of most HT and homes a long throw distance is not usually possible. Makes a curved projection screen even more necessary.

A curved flat screen TV is pointless. The projection is in the screen, no angles to distort. Especially with the current generation of screens with wide viewing angles. It's all hype, "Movie screens are curved. So, curving your TV must be good too!"

[Felipe]

no one sits wide enough at home to need there tv cured. (unless your Tricky_ab) lol

[Felipe]

So it all came down to this.

New tv (apperantly) = new couches (makes the rest of the living room look like shit)

New couches = new living room set up

New living room set up = limited distance

Limited distance = Limited screen size

So it all came down to this....

UN55F6400

Not baller enough for the 7100 :0 (

[vanish1]

4k tvs arent worth it yet. gotta wait for the new hdmi and displayport standards to come out.

I believe the 50" seiki only does 4k @ 30hz. (aka 30 fps)

a few 4k monitors can do 60 hz, theyre all around the 30-32" range.

240hz is just 120hz doubled through software. I dont think there is any tv or monitor that does hardware 240hz

right now I am interested in 1440p @ 120hz. The monitor I've been eyeing for awhile
http://overlordcomputer.com/collections/27-monitors/products/tempest-x270oc_ag

[Felipe]

yup.. I saw that "SEIKI" 4k at sears for 899 55" floor model for 599. That thing looks old like a 2009 model tv. Just seeing the name seiki is sketchy with in it self. lol

[blasting_speed]

Buying Seiki is damn risky.

An ex co-worker of mine had one and it blew up after 2 weeks exactly. Smoke and sparks.

[S14DB]

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/seiki-se50uy04-4k-uhd/4505-6482_7-35757100.html
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57599449-221/budget-tv-resolution-rumble-720p-plasma-vs-4k-led-lcd/
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/seiki-se39uy04-4k-uhd/4505-6482_7-35828367.html

[Felipe]

Buying Seiki is damn risky.

An ex co-worker of mine had one and it blew up after 2 weeks exactly. Smoke and sparks.

Hope he had insurance

[tricky_ab]

Ugh, if the Sony 65" X900 4K set was $500 less, I would have replaced the 55" Samsung 7000 series LED I have in my loft space. I have a expected price list for the Samsung 4K sets and it's about the same as last years pricing. At this point, it looks like I'll be putting all my 4K eggs in my projector basket.

[Felipe]

Ugh, if the Sony 65" X900 4K set was $500 less, I would have replaced the 55" Samsung 7000 series LED I have in my loft space. I have a expected price list for the Samsung 4K sets and it's about the same as last years pricing. At this point, it looks like I'll be putting all my 4K eggs in my projector basket.

I would wait and go with projector 4k.

Even tho 75% of people tride talking me down at stores not to buy it.

Usual crap convo....

Me: shit is clean, if i had the money ill deff buy it.
Sales person: yeah but theres no 4k videos/movies for it. So ill be a like a regular tv.
Me: o.O
Me: you serio? I can tell you a few movies at 4k, yes just a few, but even so... The 4k player still converts bluray to like at 3k range. And as far as math goes 1k (1080p) < 3k
Sale person: but your not going to watching movies 24/7
Me: :picardfp: dude your killing me

[vanish1]

so... The 4k player still converts bluray to like at 3k range. And as far as math goes 1k (1080p) < 3k

upscaling a 1080p file is not the same as playing a native resolution 4k file

[S14DB]

Decided to look at the specs of my BluRay player and Receiver last night for someone. Turns out they both do 4k hardware upscale. I just wanted 3D and 4k pass-through when the Onkyo went out. Didn't look at the Upscale features.

Going to have to look and see the quality of the upscale. Not going to get a 4k tv any time soon. But it's nice to have.

[Felipe]

upscaling a 1080p file is not the same as playing a native resolution 4k file

You sound like a sales person lol

Yes upscale is not true 4, but like I said... way better than just 1080... even if its at 2k thats twice the resolution.

[Felipe]

Decided to look at the specs of my BluRay player and Receiver last night for someone. Turns out they both do 4k hardware upscale. I just wanted 3D and 4k pass-through when the Onkyo went out. Didn't look at the Upscale features.

Going to have to look and see the quality of the upscale. Not going to get a 4k tv any time soon. But it's nice to have.

Makes me wonder if I could that to mine

[SimpleS14]

paENIboxKGI

It's going to be years till I consider a 4K TV. Who knows how the ISP landscape will look like by that time when it comes to streaming 4K natively. I'm talking about infrastructure, companies and costs.

[tricky_ab]

I would wait and go with projector 4k.

Even tho 75% of people tride talking me down at stores not to buy it.

Usual crap convo....

Me: shit is clean, if i had the money ill deff buy it.
Sales person: yeah but theres no 4k videos/movies for it. So ill be a like a regular tv.
Me: o.O
Me: you serio? I can tell you a few movies at 4k, yes just a few, but even so... The 4k player still converts bluray to like at 3k range. And as far as math goes 1k (1080p) < 3k
Sale person: but your not going to watching movies 24/7
Me: :picardfp: dude your killing me

If my guy at the big box store isn't around, I usually get the guy who's trying to sell me the "flavor of the week". You know, the one that nets them the most commission percentage.

Either that, or they don't think I can afford it (I do have a baby face)...

[Felipe]

If my guy at the big box store isn't around, I usually get the guy who's trying to sell me the "flavor of the week". You know, the one that nets them the most commission percentage.

Either that, or they don't think I can afford it (I do have a baby face)...

Haha same here... 35 this July

[BoostSlideWayz]

I know its kind of weird to say, but honestly i dont know why people wants more and more with this picture quality. In my book 1080 is perfectly fine, Atleast from my experiences with it i'm not disappointed and cant really even understand the point of going much further... Maybe im just so used to it that i dont even expect any more.

Hell, even my internet is so slow the most i can load is about 720p. If i try to go more it will take forever just to load the video.

[Felipe]

I know its kind of weird to say, but honestly i dont know why people wants more and more with this picture quality. In my book 1080 is perfectly fine, Atleast from my experiences with it i'm not disappointed and cant really even understand the point of going much further... Maybe im just so used to it that i dont even expect any more.

Hell, even my internet is so slow the most i can load is about 720p. If i try to go more it will take forever just to load the video.

Mostly you only get the benefit or even notice if your going big (60+) on screen. Just like on small screens 720 kinda looks the same as 1080.

Same concept as to like photo being expanded.

[tricky_ab]

I know its kind of weird to say, but honestly i dont know why people wants more and more with this picture quality. In my book 1080 is perfectly fine, Atleast from my experiences with it i'm not disappointed and cant really even understand the point of going much further... Maybe im just so used to it that i dont even expect any more.

Hell, even my internet is so slow the most i can load is about 720p. If i try to go more it will take forever just to load the video.

How large of a screen do you have now?

^^ As mentioned above, with a larger screen size it can make a difference. You can move the screen closer to your seating arrangements to improve the immersiveness of the image.

It also adds a lot of depth to the image (From the 4K sources that I've seen). Heck it made my regular 1080P image sharper (on my 4K lite projector setup).

[BoostSlideWayz]

My tv isnt too fancy, just a samsung 32".

My laptop i use is an MSI GT70 (17") with a NVIDIA geforce gtx 675 card. I'd imagine it can handle some pretty impressive video quality but i dont even play computer games. Plus my internet limits me alot as far as loading quality above 720.

[Felipe]

My tv isnt too fancy, just a samsung 32".

My laptop i use is an MSI GT70 (17") with a NVIDIA geforce gtx 675 card. I'd imagine it can handle some pretty impressive video quality but i dont even play computer games. Plus my internet limits me alot as far as loading quality above 720.


Yeah i want to say 42" and under theres not really a need for 4k... Most of tv now at that range can work wonders with just 1080 with the right settings

[Felipe]

Rise from the dead lol
http://i.makeagif.com/media/9-06-2015/mxFf0l.gif


Update: in a few months my tv will be 3 years old. No problems what so ever!!! Remote had to be replaced. Feel between the recliners and smashed it to shit lol

Flash foward 2/3 years till now.... 4k tvs $$$ have dramatically dropped and commonly called UHD.

One thing that caught my attention are the "OLED UHD TV"

Fucken nice!

[BOROSUN]

oled has a burn in. but, theres some reviews. saying theyre not getting any burn in.
this shit goes back on the plasma era. where you get some burn in and some don't. ppl usage vary differently.

oled refresh rate is retarded fast. for a 4k gamer like me its godsend. oled will be the future once they improve manufacturing and lower cost.


4kBLJK4FdfQ

[exitspeed]

I bought a Vizio M Series 4K last year. Love the damn thing. I've never actually watched anything in 4K other than videos on YouTube. I thought by now I'd be able to watch NFL games in 4K. Pretty disappointed about that.

[future]

I've had my 4k tv and yet to see anything in 4k


I'd love to get one of those 4k DVD players though

[exitspeed]

I've had my 4k tv and yet to see anything in 4k


I'd love to get one of those 4k DVD players though

All I wanted to see with my 4K was football and Mad Max in B&W. The NFL I have no control over and I'm not going to drop $300 on a 4K blue ray player.

[future]

Yeah a real one is expensive. They have up scaling ones fo4 like 120 but I want a true 4k

[Felipe]

All I wanted to see with my 4K was football and Mad Max in B&W. The NFL I have no control over and I'm not going to drop $300 on a 4K blue ray player.

The only sports i seen in 4k was golf on Direct TV.

Not only the BR player, true 4k will require a true 4k dvd.

Even upscale player will only get you about 2k

[iHateMySilvia]

I have a Samsung SUHD 4K tv and I think my eyes have adapted to it that i am no longer impressed , am probably not using it right (settings) I've watched 4K content on Netflix and it ain't that amazing ...


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[Felipe]

This article kinda sums it up with 4k viewing....

http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/ultra-hd-not-always-4k/

[future]

I've even trying to read up on how to maximize your tvs output but with no luck yet


Can't wait for that new Pacific rim movie!

[Felipe]

professional Tuning = $$$

If your lucky you can find good specs for your tv from others who have the same tv but even then each set of eyeballs are different.

[future]

And each room. The lighting is different everywhere

[Felipe]

And each room. The lighting is different everywhere

Yup.


I would try at least 3 sets of specs options just to see what floats your boat lol

[future]

I wonde4 how much it costs. I wouldn't spend more the 100 lol

[tricky_ab]

I wonde4 how much it costs. I wouldn't spend more the 100 lol

All of the tv's (and projector) have been professionally calibrated by my friend who's CEDIA certified. Anyways I believe it's a couple hours depending on the setup, and can be $350+

Heck if I were to pay out of pocket for my PJ setup it would have been $600...

[future]

Oh wow. My task today on my off day is to some how see if I can make the output better

[Agamemnon]

Have you gone to the AVS forums yet? They should have calibration settings for your panel.

[future]

Avs....Google right now. I'll have a better idea after my next response for you when you reply

But since last post I popped in a blue ray and started playing with settings and wow it looks beautiful! But when I turned on the Xbox it was way way too dark. So guess I have to go back and forth on brightness for what I'm doing

[Felipe]

I think Samsungs curved TV is over hyped.

[future]

The curve is 100% a joke

[Felipe]

I was all about it.. Now its like ehhhh....

I would get one only if its like 75" Even thats a maybe

[mtechpenguin]

The curve is 100% a joke

Curve is definitely a joke.

I bought the new 2016 Vizio P-55
and even that's pretty gimmicky as far as having a tablet as a remote.
But otherwise it's a great TV with some serious blacks. Set up for future HDR content as well and 4k pc gaming looks quite amazing. But 1080 is fine too.

[future]

I've yet to see anything in 4K but laptop lol

[Felipe]

Curve is definitely a joke.

I bought the new 2016 Vizio P-55
and even that's pretty gimmicky as far as having a tablet as a remote.
But otherwise it's a great TV with some serious blacks.



Dude that remote is sick!!!

[mtechpenguin]

Dude that remote is sick!!!

Sometimes I'd rather just have a normal app TV haha.
It's slow at times, but just a minor inconvenience. Love the TV though

[RB IMPORTS]

There's not much content for 4K ,cable boxes still in 720p lol

[future]

I was looking at Ultra HD players and seems only three good options. Panasonic (600) Samsung (430) and third best being the new Xbox One.


Either way more then I want to spend

[tricky_ab]

I was all about it.. Now its like ehhhh....

I would get one only if its like 75" Even thats a maybe

I plan to get a curved screen once I upgrade my front projector. But I'm looking at a 130" curved screen. I'm hyped on being able to sit a lot closer (4K) and the curved screen would improve the immersiveness of the content.

[Felipe]

130"

http://www.rocketryforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=157526&d=1387990440

[Nissan2nr22]

waste of time at least for now, i remember when plasmas came out... and then i remember when leds came out... same shit everytime

[Felipe]

waste of time at least for now, i remember when plasmas came out... and then i remember when leds came out... same shit everytime

Not quite the same shit... Since they are getting better and better.

Kinda like a new 2017 vs a 2000 car. They will always have something new to bring to the market.

[Nissan2nr22]

Same shit as far as prices...... taxed at first and then drop to nothing before you know it, that's what most of the comments are saying, wait for it, not worth it now, etc. Thats what I was referring to.

[Felipe]

Its all about personal choice and preference.

Type A:
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/264/200/acb.jpg

Type B:

Wait for it to go down.
(usually a year or so)
Till the next "in thing" (OLED 4K) grabs the populations eye.

Reminds of that BestBuy commercial where guy buys new tv and newer version comes out lol
"but i just bought this one! "

[tricky_ab]

waste of time at least for now, i remember when plasmas came out... and then i remember when leds came out... same shit everytime

Except plasma sets have better PQ, black levels, colours, and motion then LED sets...

[Felipe]

Except plasma sets have better PQ, black levels, colours, and motion then LED sets...

https://media.tenor.co/images/c6c50a275736a9c45c6003fd3b908be3/raw

[BOROSUN]

lcd matured tech ips/va/led/nano, hdr, 4k, latency/motion, smaller profiles, power consumption. imo surpassed or pared with plasma quality.


oled is the next step.

[tricky_ab]

https://media.tenor.co/images/c6c50a275736a9c45c6003fd3b908be3/raw

This man gets it!

lcd matured tech ips/va/led/nano, hdr, 4k, latency/motion, smaller profiles, power consumption. imo surpassed or pared with plasma quality.


oled is the next step.

I have a flag ship Samsung LED set and I prefer to watch everything on my flagship plasma... Each and every time!

I do agree, OLED is the only tech that I'll replace my plasma with. And I've been watching the higher end LG set pricing. It's almost in the range that I'd be willing to spend on a 65"model.

[Felipe]

I do agree, OLED is the only tech that I'll replace my plasma with. And I've been watching the higher end LG set pricing. It's almost in the range that I'd be willing to spend on a 65"model.

Yup... Maybe next years Black Friday.



If a plasma had sex with a led tv it would have an oled baby lol

Thats my next goal... Oled 65"/75" anything bigger is a fucken beast lol might need 8k resolution :keke:

[heychris]

Vizio M or P series...these are getting great review and they are reasonably priced...I have a 70 inch M and it is incredible.

Ch

sent from knee deep in snow

[Agamemnon]

Except plasma sets have better PQ, black levels, colours, and motion then LED sets...
That's why I snatched up one of Samsung's last plasma models before they switched to LED only.

Unfortunately it didn't last 2 years before it developed a screen edge/raspberry defect. I'm torn between spending big bucks on OLED now or going used for a plasma. I watch a ton of football and LED can't hold a candle to plasma's refresh rate.

[Felipe]

How deep are your pockets?

http://i99.beon.ru/38.media.tumblr.com/24e0dd969e3421c47c508d8a5ec91963/tumblr_nmf0e7bRD11qdone5o5_250.gif


And no tricky_ab you cannot reply to this question lol





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[Agamemnon]

Deep enough to warrant a 103" flush mount projector screen setup. However I've got granite counter tops coming in soon and want to still get at least a 65" OLED panel when not using the projector. FML!

[Felipe]

What will you be pairing it with? 4k player (movie only set up)? Cable (tv viewing only)?

And going from a 103" to a 65" is quite a big gap its going to make the 65" look dmall. Your probably gonna want something bigger than a 65" if you are going to switch back and forth from that 103" screen.

[Agamemnon]

I'd more than likely pair it with a Playstation 4 Pro for 4k/HDR.

I'm more than likely going to just get a 75" panel and skip the projector for now. I may hold out for just a little bit longer and see what the prices for OLED do.

[SimpleS14]

I'm still holding out on getting a 4K TV.

Once manufacturers get a consistent standard on HDR, I might give it another look. So far it's looking like HDR-10 is the way to go. While Dolby Vision is technically better, it's also costly to manufacturers due to licensing.

This picture sold me on the concept:

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Arshdr-banding-640x360.png

Got it from this nice article (imo): http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/12/high-dynamic-range-explained-theres-a-reason-to-finally-get-a-new-tv/

I like OLED display panels too, but I haven't seen any noticeable downward trend on costs with the exception of very large displays (which i have no space for).

[Felipe]

I'd more than likely pair it with a Playstation 4 Pro for $k/HDR.

I'm more than likely going to just get a 75" panel and skip the projector for now. I may hold out for just a little bit longer and see what the prices for OLED do.

If you going to wait for OLED get something good thats going to hold up for a few years. 74" is a good size to start.

I'm still holding out on getting a 4K TV.

Once manufacturers get a consistent standard on HDR, I might give it another look. So far it's looking like HDR-10 is the way to go. While Dolby Vision is technically better, it's also costly to manufacturers due to licensing.

This picture sold me on the concept:

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Arshdr-banding-640x360.png

Got it from this nice article (imo): http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/12/high-dynamic-range-explained-theres-a-reason-to-finally-get-a-new-tv/

I like OLED display panels too, but I haven't seen any noticeable downward trend on costs with the exception of very large displays (which i have no space for).

I noticed the difference on that picture. If you have a wall you have room lol

[tricky_ab]

How deep are your pockets?

http://i99.beon.ru/38.media.tumblr.com/24e0dd969e3421c47c508d8a5ec91963/tumblr_nmf0e7bRD11qdone5o5_250.gifAnd no tricky_ab you cannot reply to this question lol

...

Dang... Oh okay :hs:

[Felipe]

Ill willing to wait till oled tech is really at its masters stage. Oled still is at its begging stages and its awesome. plus hopefully by then a decent real 4k player surround sound set up will be at my price range.

[silverarrow27]

You guys are still chatting away on 4K TVs when 8K technology has already started to be implemented in new movies. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is filmed in 8K. 4K is already on its way out the door.

[Felipe]

You guys are still chatting away on 4K TVs when 8K technology has already started to be implemented in new movies. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is filmed in 8K. 4K is already on its way out the door.

I wish lol

But the movie industry can barely keep up with 4K and even that is too expensive for them. At 8 K they would go broke LOL

Even "4k filming " is not even 4k ....
http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/ultra-hd-not-always-4k/

[tricky_ab]

Ill willing to wait till oled tech is really at its masters stage. Oled still is at its begging stages and its awesome. plus hopefully by then a decent real 4k player surround sound set up will be at my price range.

For me, I'm looking to purchase in the next year or two. We are getting to the stage where manufactures have set their lines in the sand, and we know where they stand with different tech. I just wish there were more OLED brands since the manufacturing costs are still quite high (verses the defect rates).

At this rate I might have a 4K projector before my OLED set.

You guys are still chatting away on 4K TVs when 8K technology has already started to be implemented in new movies. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is filmed in 8K. 4K is already on its way out the door.

Japan has been messing with 8K cameras for a minute now. The trickle down of tech is QUITE a few years off.

[Felipe]

Yeah they going to squeeze every sale out of the 4k led tv's. To top it off the wheel just started rolling this year (price and demand). I don't really see it stopping anytime soon. Even if oled starts catching people's eyes. They will still detour you into buying 4k led. Lol

But yeah just get something that will last but nothing to crazy

[silverarrow27]

...But yeah just get something that will last but nothing to crazy

That's why I'm currently investing into my home theater system before I buy a nice TV or projector. Still need to upgrade my front towers, center, and receiver(looking to do 11.2 for ATMOS/DTS:X). Already have my elevated speakers too.

[Felipe]

Thats a good use of your money.

I always wanted a 4D surround sound set up.
http://www.bassshakers.com/faqs/what-is-a-bass-shaker/
http://www.bassshakers.com/files/7913/3176/8478/buttkicker.jpg

[tricky_ab]

That's why I'm currently investing into my home theater system before I buy a nice TV or projector. Still need to upgrade my front towers, center, and receiver(looking to do 11.2 for ATMOS/DTS:X). Already have my elevated speakers too.

Done all of that... Though I "could" use a new receiver :naughty: I mean it wouldn't hurt...

[Felipe]

Wireless receiver ��

[Felipe]

Full blue tooth �� speakers 100w each!

[Felipe]

What do you guys personally use to clean your screen?

[Agamemnon]

Distilled water sprayed lightly on a microfiber towel.

[Felipe]

I heard someone using that but with a little bit of soap. Not to sure about using soap :/

[Agamemnon]

No soap. Some soaps have very harsh detergents that can strip away the non glare coating on the panel. Use diluted vinegar solution if you must.

[tricky_ab]

Distilled water sprayed lightly on a microfiber towel.

This and ONLY this! Do NOT use any "cleaners" or solvents on your screens.

[Davizz]

My home cinema set up:

Sony KD65XD8577 (65" 4k)
Pioneer VSX-924
Bose accoustimass 10
Playstation 4

[Felipe]

Sony unveiled its OLED TV at CES hell yeah!!!

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/johnarcher/files/2017/01/Sony77inchOLED.jpg

[tricky_ab]

I can't wait to see it in person!

[future]

Want to buy a new TV in a couple months. Looking for Samsung or Sony as usual


OLED is the new hot shit? Sounds expensive

[Felipe]

Want to buy a new TV in a couple months. Looking for Samsung or Sony as usual


OLED is the new hot shit? Sounds expensive

If you buy one now it will be... LG is the only one selling OLED... So yeah.

[future]

What makes it so different then a LED 4k?

Cause I'm sure it cost a fuck ton more

[tricky_ab]

What makes it so different then a LED 4k?

Cause I'm sure it cost a fuck ton more

Go take a look at one in person, and you'll see. It's the only tech that matches/beats plasma tech. Better black levels with proper image motion and higher/brighter colour gamma.

[future]

What's the price of these things? Like double I'm assuming?

[Agamemnon]

$2500-$4000 depending on size.

[future]

Yeah regular 4k is is lol

I'm aiming for > $1,500

[Felipe]

1500 can get you into the top level 4k. Shop around,be patient and do some homework on what ever your going to use it for... Like only cable/tv or game console use.

[future]

Netflix and Xbox with 4k movies


Rarely cable

[tricky_ab]

$2500-$4000 depending on size.

I wish those were prices in Canada. And since I'm looking at flagship models it's more like $5K+...

You guys have it good...

[rawgarage]

I wish those were prices in Canada. And since I'm looking at flagship models it's more like $5K+...

You guys have it good...

ill send you one from TX... tax free

[Felipe]

Iflagship models it's more like $5K+...


5k fakkk....

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljw7wpkgf51qziaibo1_500.gif

Shipping must kill you also, Its ok you can afford it lol

[Felipe]

Netflix and Xbox with 4k movies


Rarely cable

How big?

Are you detail oriented person or just want a good 4k tv?

[future]

I will go 65 again or a little bigger

I just like a good picture. I wouldn't say I'm picture crazy on tvs but don't give me no Vizio lol

[Felipe]

Me personally I like the trim on the Samsung 8000 series except the whole Samsung lighting up. Its too bright and kinda distracting.

[future]

I have a thing for Samsung too....

[Davizz]

I had a 50" Samsung plasma televsion, which needed to be changed after 8 years ownership.

Looked over for 2 months what to replace it with.
Samsung felt a little too much plastic/toy ish.
Philips let me down cause of the screen latency.
When is saw my 65" Sony i knew this would be the one i should have!!!
Such a beautiful screen, immaculate colors, good light sources and it's really sharp!
(KD65XD8577)
And it's wonderful while playing BF1 on the PS4![emoji33]

[future]

Yes Sony are great but I think they might be a bit too expensive for my current situation

[Davizz]

Yes Sony are great but I think they might be a bit too expensive for my current situation



I live in Europe bro, i've paid $2650 for it.
Seems that prices are much of a difference depending where you live.

[future]

Your money is different then ours also

[tricky_ab]

From what I've been reading, the new Samsung QLED sets are something to really get excited about. I need to see one in person, but it might be a nice stop gap for future OLED purchases.

ill send you one from TX... tax free

Thanks for looking out homie!

5k fakkk....

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljw7wpkgf51qziaibo1_500.gif

Shipping must kill you also, Its ok you can afford it lol

HAHAHA pfft... It's free shipping/delivery if I'm dropping that type of cash, believe me!

Fun numbers for people here... My installer hit me up with numbers for one of the OLED LG sets I've had my eyes on. The OLED65E6P is currently $6500 CND plus taxes (13%)... Good times :hsdance:

[Felipe]

6500 over here can set you up with a 85" samsung/sony 4k and still have left over for home theater!

[Agamemnon]

Yikes. I would wait. The 65" OLED are going to drop in price significantly by fall.

[Felipe]

Yikes. I would wait. The 65" OLED are going to drop in price significantly by fall.

Significantly... No. price drop... yes.

Companies are going to milk the shit out the 4k bandwagon till the wheels fall off. Then they will drop significantly. I dont see that anytime soon, i say fall 2018. Just this fall 4k tvs became affordable and that shit years!

[Felipe]

LG's 4k oled wallpaper tv at CES

Sweet baby Jesus!
http://www.kanshangjie.com/uploadfile/2015/0702/20150702061753173.jpg

[tricky_ab]

6500 over here can set you up with a 85" samsung/sony 4k and still have left over for home theater!

Don't remind me... You guys have it REAL good when it comes to pricing. Honestly I'm just working on completing the HT room and purchasing a 4K projector from Sony. If I'm going to drop that type of cash, I'd rather it be for 120-130".

Yikes. I would wait. The 65" OLED are going to drop in price significantly by fall.

I'm not in a rush... I'd like to purchase one, but I'm not about throwing money away.

[Felipe]

I have to agree with that

[Hollywood_145]

man tough call with so many opinions on this haha

[Felipe]

man tough call with so many opinions on this haha

Top 3 things to consider if going to buy:

1) price range. That will narrow it down to like 3/4 brands.

2) quality/details. This will bring to about 2/3 brands and also narrow on $$$ from entry level to flag ship models.

3) size/use. From it being the center point of house living or just personal use.

Those are my 3 major things to think about when looking for a new tv. Im other have more ideas and helpful info on buying them, if you do please feel free to post your guide lines. :bigok:

[future]

I want a Flagship model this time. In 65 or bigger

I'm a fan of Samsung and Sony but if another brand gives better picture and quality I'm there


What does a flagship go for? I know my last TV was their entry 4k a couple years back and I paid $1,200

[Felipe]

One of the best deals that i seen is the "Best Buy open box item" . Same as new and best buy sells/guarantee like new with warranty and full refund if not satisfied. That right there slashes hundreds of dollars. My brother in law just did that. I was surprised he did that since hes anal with shit like that lol but i guess he got a good price on a 8 series Samsung. He could not afford the 9 series, samsungs top of the line.

[future]

Google tells me this is the 8 Series?

Google also tells me the 9 series is curved? And only goes to 65?

I like this one for the size, brand and price. Any ideas on this? 70 inch 4k and almost their flagship model seems like a good deal


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-70-class-69-5-diag--led-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-black/5146603.p?skuId=5146603&ref=212&loc=1&ksid=a79a0656-9fb4-4a90-86d6-b6c3a11259c3&ksprof_id=16&ksaffcode=pg70059&ksdevice=m&lsft=ref:212,loc:2&gclid=CjwKEAiA2OzDBRCdqIyIqYaaqQoSJABeJZdidy6sNtzW oz7tjGx1iUjS_RXPHdOPQpyJHzPzR3kA3xoCAD_w_wcB


What does Sony have to compare?

[Felipe]

Thats the 6 series. The higher series you start to notice better quality in design and specs. For example the trim gets thinner and the stand also is changed. Along with the price lol

8 series
http://4k.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Samsung-Series-8-KS8000-65-inch-SUHD-TV.jpg

[future]

So I'm balling on a budget then is what your saying lol


I want 70 inches but I guess my price range only gets me entry level?

[Felipe]

At 70.... Yes

I suggest you look around. I think sony is better in value for what you want.

[future]

I don't plan on buying anytime soon so I have time. I think fall is a decent time to buy electronics

[Felipe]

By then the market should relax on the 4k hype and bust out sales from being over stocked.

[future]

Good. I wanted to get a sleeve done anyway lol

[Felipe]

The tattoo thread is that way ==========> lol

Hopefully ill have some cash left over to finish mine on my chest

[ADIDASilvias]

LMAO, I was just looking through posts and thought I'd see what's in Off-Topic. This thread hits home. I have a LG 50PK750 plasma panel that I have had for almost 7 years. I've been putting off replacing it because I hate LCD panels. They handle motion terribly, and I am extremely sensitive to the break up and pixelation issues with even the high end LCDs.

The problem is with the sample and hold motion interpolation used in LCDs. I can see it happening and it drives me crazy. A buddy of mine has a very high end 75 inch 4K LCD, and even though the colors are nice with good to excellent black levels the motion interpolation is a deal breaker.

My plasma has developed a vertical line issue just to the right of center screen. If the lines were horizontal I could buy a replacement board for it and fix it, but vertical lines means one of the components embedded in the panel ribbon cables is bad, and the only fix is to replace the entire Plasma Display Panel (PDP). Unfortunately, you cannot purchase the PDPs anymore since plasma panels have not been produced for a couple years now, so I am going to have to replace the entire set.

The only worthy replacement for the plasma is OLED. OLED still uses a sample and hold motion interpolation, however, since the light generation is actually from each individual pixel instead of a backlight the results are much better than LCDs. Still not as good as plasma, but close. The 2016 LG sets are much better TVs compared to the 2015 models. They made a lot of improvements in 2016. The 2017 sets are likely to be even better, but I do not know if I can wait long enough for the prices to come down to my self imposed range. The vertical lines are driving me batty. They are doing away with 3D in the 2017 models, but I don't really care about 3D as I would likely never use it.

The good thing is Sony is buying OLED panels from LG and putting out at least a 55" and 65" OLED this year, which ought to drive prices down with the added competition. Panasonic also announced another OLED set, but historically their prices won't garner competition as they will be astronomical compared to the Sony and LG sets.

Hopefully in the next two weeks before the Super Bowl the sales will draw me into purchasing a 65" OLED. If they do not I will probably have to deal with these damn vertical lines until the Fall when the 2017 sales start happening.

[Felipe]

Sorry to hear about the plasma... 7yrs it had a good run.

As far as Superbowl sales on the OLED, well not much of a "good deal" will be around anytime soon. Maybe a couple of hundreds if that! 10-20% off?

Hopefully once other major companies start jumping in the water LG will have the advantage on the tech and at the same time will be cheaper. Fall pricing wont be a lot either since 4k it self just became affordable. I want to say 2018 i know its a little faraway, but its still new tech and manufacturers still messing with it.

Not sure why Samsung is running QLED, i mean i get it that they want max color range, but still is back lit and has draw backs on viewing. Don't get me wrong its nice, but maybe for a room with lots a lighting and poor darkness.

[ADIDASilvias]

Yeah, and if I could get it into the Service Menu I think I would be blown away by the amount of hours on the plasma. We definitely put it through a lot over the 7 years, so I can't fault it for finally having issues.

I was hoping to get the B6 65 inch OLED down into the sub $2k area, but it is looking like the price point from reputable dealers is going to be minimum $2400 at this point. I can snag the 55 inch for around $1500, but I was really wanting to move up in size a bit from the current 50 inch. 65 inches would be a big step up and would make rewatching movies like Transformers & Dark Knight a whole new experience.

I have plans for an eventual triple projector setup in the basement, but I'm trying to take projects one at a time so I can actually finish them. The RB25 Neo Zenki is currently the main project right now.

Quantum Dot is interesting anyway, just still has the drawbacks of LCDs. I really think OLED is the future of panel televisions, and I think Sony and Panasonic are starting to agree.

[Felipe]

Go for the 65 or else you will always have that Feeling if you should have gotten the 65. If you drop some serious cash its "go big or go home " mindset. Even you plan to go even bigger like a projector 65 is even better when displayed in the bedroom lol at the end of the day its your money and preference.

[future]

70 inch or nothing!

[ADIDASilvias]

Go for the 65 or else you will always have that Feeling if you should have gotten the 65. If you drop some serious cash its "go big or go home " mindset. Even you plan to go even bigger like a projector 65 is even better when displayed in the bedroom lol at the end of the day its your money and preference.

I'm leaning hard towards the 65. In the whole grand scheme of things the $2400 really isn't a horrible price. Hell, the Pioneer Kuro sold for $5k in it's day and never really came down in price, so it could be worse.

You were discussing surround sound systems earlier. I am looking at building the entire system for the basement. The low frequencies will most likely be handled by a 'tapped horn' subwoofer tuned to around 10Hz. Tapped horns are interesting in that you can produce insane SPL levels out of a single driver, and they can play stupid low. No need for bass shakers when your neighbors can feel the rumble from the subwoofer!

70 inch or nothing!

I wish I could snag a 77" OLED. That would be amazing! However, the price is crazy on those. I'd end up spending the amount I have in the car at this point on a 77", lol, priorities I guess...

[future]

The TV the ex kept is my 70 inch LED. Idk if I can go down to 65. I might just have to get another one of the entry level tvs to stay 70 inches

[ADIDASilvias]

The TV the ex kept is my 70 inch LED. Idk if I can go down to 65. I might just have to get another one of the entry level tvs to stay 70 inches

First world problems, right? My parent's just turned their garage into a living room and bathroom, and are planning on upgrading the size of the television they have upstairs, a 42 inch Sammy plasma. It is a nice set, and looks great. They offered to give it to me since my plasma is having issues, and I seriously considered it, but was unsure whether I could go down from the 50 inch to a 42 inch and not be severely disappointed.

I did pull the trigger on the 65 inch OLED65B6P, so I guess I could not deal with a smaller size, lol. I bought it yesterday, so it should arrive sometime next week!

Now I need to upgrade the surround sound receiver to handle the [email protected] HDMI bandwidth. I can run with it the way it is for awhile by running optical from the HTPC/Gaming Rig and using the Optical Out on the TV to get sound from the PS4 Pro, but neither is true 7.1 channel sound so that will need to change soon. Besides, at some point I will set things up for DTS X and ATMOS so I'll need a receiver that handles both of those as well.

[future]

I wonder if I could aford an OLED 65 inch that is not a entry level


I mean seeing that I don't have the 70 inch anymore I doubt if notice

[ADIDASilvias]

What are your requirements for the TV other than size? The only real benefits offered by the E and G series OLED are the soundbar, a finer color tuning scale, and the 'picture on glass' screen. If you have a surround system the soundbar is moot. The color adjustment scale only comes into play if you are professionally calibrating, and even then, if you can get it calibrated with 10 steps, 20 steps doesn't do anything for you. The picture on glass screen is interesting, but doesn't really make a difference to me. Look it up, it is pretty gimmicky in nature. Every model of OLED uses the same panel, so your picture quality is exactly the same.

I would consider the OLED non-entry level for all models, as it is the best out there right now. Reviews are solid, and often they are called the 'best picture they have ever reviewed'.

If you absolutely have to have 3D capabilities and hate curved sets, then the E model is the one to look for. If you have to have 3D and don't mind a curved set, then go for the C model, the price is significantly less. If 3D does not matter to you, get the B model.

Just my 2 cents. No reason to pay more for the top models if the additional features don't matter to you.

[future]

I don't need 3D


I just like 70 inch and 4k

Samsung or Sony is my preference

[Felipe]

Now I need to upgrade the surround sound receiver to handle the [email protected] HDMI bandwidth. I can run with it the way it is for awhile by running optical from the HTPC/Gaming Rig and using the Optical Out on the TV to get sound from the PS4 Pro, but neither is true 7.1 channel sound so that will need to change soon. Besides, at some point I will set things up for DTS X and ATMOS so I'll need a receiver that handles both of those as well.

That just reminds me of the wiring mess in the back lol
Shit be looking like Medusas head
http://www.philosophicallychallenged.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Medusa6.jpg


I did pull the trigger on the 65 inch OLED65B6P, so I guess I could not deal with a smaller size, lol. I bought it yesterday, so it should arrive sometime next week!


http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Billy-D_Approves.gif

[Felipe]

I don't need 3D


I just like 70 inch and 4k

Samsung or Sony is my preference

Not sure how bad you want a 70 since that size is rare. Usually they skip it 65 or 75 once you start hitting 75+ price jumps up a bit.

Usually 70s are in the mid range to hi end.

You might be able to get away with a 75 with an entey level sony. Thats your best bet.

[ADIDASilvias]

That just reminds me of the wiring mess in the back lol
Shit be looking like Medusas head
http://www.philosophicallychallenged.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Medusa6.jpg

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Billy-D_Approves.gif

Lol, I totally agree, shit gets like a rat's nest back there. I already have the 7 channels of speaker wire running to the fronts/center and the wall, the PS3 cables, the PS4 cables, the atari flashback cables, and PC cables, so a few more won't be that much of a tragedy. Guess it's a good thing I ran the sides and rear speaker cables in the attic...

I'll take some Billy D approval any day! More than likely one of the first things I'll watch will have BDW in it!

[future]

I went looking for tvs and I see 70s aren't made in many tvs


And these OLED thing we talk about in here are insanely expensive!


Help me pick a TV under 2k. What's your guys choice? Preferably Samsung or Sony unless there is a better brand in the range

[exitspeed]

I went looking for tvs and I see 70s aren't made in many tvs


And these OLED thing we talk about in here are insanely expensive!


Help me pick a TV under 2k. What's your guys choice? Preferably Samsung or Sony unless there is a better brand in the range

Lol at you thinking $2500 is expensive. I remember when HD flat screens Plasmas first came out...they were $20,000 for the good Pioneer and Sony ones. My wife worked for one of the biggest high end electronic store and her employee discount was about $8k off, still $12,000. This was back when I still thought my 36" Trinitron Wega was the shit.

$2500 for the newest newest doesn't seem that bad really.

[future]

I don't recall a OLED for 2500. I saw them in the 6-10k range

[exitspeed]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/sonys-2017-high-end-lcd-tvs-cost-more-than-lgs-oleds/

[future]

Too much reading lol


And way too many numbers and tvs models to know what you wanted me to see

[exitspeed]

"Sony's latest 2017 LCD-based TVs are now up for preorder. They start at $2,400 for the 55-inch size in the midrange X900E series, which is $400 more than LG's 55-inch B6 OLED TV from 2016, which we called the best-performing TV we've ever tested. In Sony's higher-end X930E series, prices are even higher."

[drift freaq]

LG OLEDs 2k or less no brainer. I'd I did not have a killer Samsung 5300 Plasma I would drop for the LG. Though my Plasma is only a couple years old this spring and I love it.

[future]

I don't care for LG products long term wise

[tricky_ab]

Still waiting on Canadian pricing for the new OLED sets, but I'm not holding my breath at anything great in my price range.

[Felipe]

Help me pick a TV under 2k. What's your guys choice? Preferably Samsung or Sony unless there is a better brand in the range


Ill keep it simple

65" Samsung 9 series, but if thats too much $$$ go for the 8 series. Nothing less than the 8 series because quality and trim start to look cheap. Shop around you will find some in your price range.

[future]

I'm going to Costco today to go check out their stuff. And it's usually cheaper anyway

[Felipe]

I'm going to Costco today to go check out their stuff. And it's usually cheaper anyway

Not really... I've seen and compare costco stuff also, but different Costco different price?

[Agamemnon]

The Costco units have a longer factory warranty. For an extra $90 you can extend the warranty out for 5 years.

[future]

And at Costco you can return anything whenever

[Felipe]

The Costco units have a longer factory warranty. For an extra $90 you can extend the warranty out for 5 years.

That not bad at all.

[tricky_ab]

Ill keep it simple

65" Samsung 9 series, but if thats too much $$$ go for the 8 series. Nothing less than the 8 series because quality and trim start to look cheap. Shop around you will find some in your price range.

Listen to this man right here!

[ADIDASilvias]

Lol at you thinking $2500 is expensive. I remember when HD flat screens Plasmas first came out...they were $20,000 for the good Pioneer and Sony ones. My wife worked for one of the biggest high end electronic store and her employee discount was about $8k off, still $12,000. This was back when I still thought my 36" Trinitron Wega was the shit.

$2500 for the newest newest doesn't seem that bad really.

I totally agree, but it is the most I have spent on a television in my entire life, so there is some sticker shock associated.

LG OLEDs 2k or less no brainer. I'd I did not have a killer Samsung 5300 Plasma I would drop for the LG. Though my Plasma is only a couple years old this spring and I love it.

The best thing is I paid $2400, but put it on my Citi card so I can balance transfer to my Chase card and get 0% interest for the next 13 months. Citi has this thing called price rewind, which allows you to price match to a lower price (max $500 refund). I sent them info on one of the shitty upsell companies like TV Superstore and Abe's of Maine, which are actual businesses, but employ shitty tactics to get you to pay more in the end by hooking you with their initial low price. Citi should refund me the full $500 so I will actually have paid $1900 for it.

Honestly, after some modest calibration and a decent amount of viewing, I really don't think the OLED can be beat. The motion isn't quite as good as the plasma, but it does everything else better. Colors are phenomenal and feel very true to life without any over exaggeration, and blacks are insane. Zero halo effect, and very minute amounts of banding, but only in really dark scenes like the CGI underwater pipe scenes in Deepwater Horizon. Anytime there are bright colors on screen the banding is not present. I am almost positive it is due to the 8-bit color depth output from the PC, which is a drawback of the GTX 770 graphics card when outputting [email protected] over the DispayPort.

I have also realized that if I want to game at 4K on the PC I'll need to buy a new graphics card. Hopefully the price of the GTX 1080s will come down when the 1080ti is released next month. Then I should be able to output 10-bit color to eliminate the banding entirely as well as play the latest AAA games on Ultra without killing the framerates.

Overall I am very happy with the purchase, and I wouldn't go with anything else if you are any kind of quality snob like I am.

I really could not ask for more from it. Now I need to get a UHD capable player and see what true 4K cinema is all about.

[Felipe]

Now I need to get a UHD capable player and see what true 4K cinema is all about.

Those things are crazy expensive. You'd think once 4k tv prices came down so would the players, but nope!

Im interested on how they would up the 4k game with viewing options and specs. No one is really buying them so manufacturers are not in no rush to jam bunch of extra options in them.

[silverarrow27]

It's funny how people think $2500 is expensive for a TV when our car parts alone sometimes cost that much alone and the car still can't run after buying the part. Still have to install it which probably cost more time and money and then possibly more money to tune the car too.

[Davizz]

It's funny how people think $2500 is expensive for a TV when our car parts alone sometimes cost that much alone and the car still can't run after buying the part. Still have to install it which probably cost more time and money and then possibly more money to tune the car too.



So true lol[emoji23][emoji23]

I got $3800 wheels and inhad trouble spending $2300 on my current tv[emoji51]

[rawgarage]

So true lol[emoji23][emoji23]

I got $3800 wheels and inhad trouble spending $2300 on my current tv[emoji51]

same boat.... 3k wheels...scared to go above 1500 on a tv...

[ADIDASilvias]

Those things are crazy expensive. You'd think once 4k tv prices came down so would the players, but nope!

Im interested on how they would up the 4k game with viewing options and specs. No one is really buying them so manufacturers are not in no rush to jam bunch of extra options in them.

There is a Samsung UHD player that is not horribly expensive, but I am actually considering a XBox One S since there are a few XB exclusive games I have wanted to play. At least it will have dual purpose until 4K UHD starts to be widely supported by the movie industry. That's the one disappointment with the PS4 Pro. It really doesn't make sense why they would not include UHD Blu Ray functionality, but large companies make weird decisions like that quite often. My only issue is willingly giving money to M$. It makes me throw up a little just thinking about it.

It's funny how people think $2500 is expensive for a TV when our car parts alone sometimes cost that much alone and the car still can't run after buying the part. Still have to install it which probably cost more time and money and then possibly more money to tune the car too.

I think it's funny people pay for porn...

If watching TV was my only hobby, $2500 would not seem like that much. I read a lot of forum threads on places like AVSforum, and it always amazes me how people will pay $5k or more a year for the newest model television, and have upwards of 5 TVs in their house. But for many of them, that is their main hobby, and to be honest I pay much more per year for my hobbies considering how many areas of interest I have.

The difference is I am spreading my disposable funds over a broad range of interests and projects, so $2500 on a TV may seem like a lot to me because I compare it to how many things I could put that money towards in other areas.

You're right about the car parts though, I have a decent amount of money pumped into the S14 at this point, and the only reason it still runs is because I haven't pulled the KA out yet, lol...

[future]

Biggest buy for a car was my custom built coils and that was only $1,700.

So 25 plus on a TV is a bug deal to me definitely

[Davizz]

Biggest buy for a car was my custom built coils and that was only $1,700.

So 25 plus on a TV is a bug deal to me definitely



Haah,

Wheels $3,5k
Airride $4,5k
Bodykit $5k

[ADIDASilvias]

Biggest buy for a car was my custom built coils and that was only $1,700.

So 25 plus on a TV is a bug deal to me definitely

I have 11 years on you, give it time, lol. As long as the income can keep up, the more large-ish purchases you make the less impact it has on your better judgement. :-)

Haah,

Wheels $3,5k
Airride $4,5k
Bodykit $5k

That's like $800 USD right? I kid, I kid...

What bodykit ran you $5k? Just curious.

[Davizz]

I have 11 years on you, give it time, lol. As long as the income can keep up, the more large-ish purchases you make the less impact it has on your better judgement. :-)







That's like $800 USD right? I kid, I kid...



What bodykit ran you $5k? Just curious.



Lol,

Running the Vertex Edge kit incl. FRP hood

[ADIDASilvias]

Lol,

Running the Vertex Edge kit incl. FRP hood

S15, I'm jealous! I would love to run a full Lang Zenki kit, it's one of my favorites.

[Davizz]

S15, I'm jealous! I would love to run a full Lang Zenki kit, it's one of my favorites.



Currently being build:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170217/77479d8c0c965c8f88cdf844dbca01c8.jpg


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170217/b97b9ec5f9b2c0114ac21af3196df43e.jpg

[Felipe]

That's the one disappointment with the PS4 Pro. It really doesn't make sense why they would not include UHD Blu Ray functionality, but large companies make weird decisions like that quite often.

Yeah when the ps pro came out and didn't have a 4k player i kicked the first puppy i saw... Very upset lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/ikcJ56KAyhm8w/giphy.gif

[ADIDASilvias]

Currently being build:


That's going to be awesome!

Yeah when the ps pro came out and didn't have a 4k player i kicked the first puppy i saw... Very upset lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/ikcJ56KAyhm8w/giphy.gif

Disclaimer: no puppies were harmed during the making of this GIF...


Lol, I hadn't purchased a PS4 yet, so I was upset but bought it anyway since the plan was to buy one eventually. Mainly for Uncharted 4, which was a fantastic game! I am usually a bit behind the curve on new consoles. I usually like to let them get a good build up of games so I can save some money on game purchases by getting them after they have been out for awhile. We almost always have a backlog of games to play on the PC or previous console to keep us occupied until then.

The plasma already had the lines on the screen so I knew I would be upgrading the TV soon, and that a 4K set was almost inevitable, so I bought it for my girlfriend for Christmas. She actually plays it more than I do, but it was a gift to myself too.

[KiLLeR2001]

Once I get an official release date for FF7 Remake I'll be buying a PS4 Pro and 4K TV shortly after.

[Agamemnon]

Ditto, 75" OLED and PS4 pro is in my near future. Horizon Dawn and God of War 4 sealed the deal for me.

[heychris]

Honestly you could spend the monies on a Vizio 70"+ 4K LED and a PS4 and be in the money...even more so if you add an Nvidia Shield TV.....if you have a GeForce card in your cpu you can play CPU games on tv in 4k...YouTube 4K...Netflix 4K Amazon Video native....add Mobdro and NEVER pay for cable/sat again.......added lastly...if you have that PS4 setup on your network....you can force all PS4 games onto an Oculus Rift through a home CPU...

whoever was interested in Uncharted 4....that game is BALLER....super good looking on my 75" 4K screen!

Ch

sent from knee deep in snow

[future]

So Costco has the same thing I got on the TV I left with my ex. 70 inch Samsung Smart 4k LED TV for 14 and some change. I notice it says Series 6 on the box so this is not a good TV by your guys standards huh?

[future]

Here is a link of it

https://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/samsung-led-tv/samsung-55ku630d.html

[heychris]

I personally am not a fan of Samsung TV's....I prefer the picture on LG's and Vizio 2016+ M or 2016+ P series....

Ch

sent from knee deep in snow

[Felipe]

So Costco has the same thing I got on the TV I left with my ex. 70 inch Samsung Smart 4k LED TV for 14 and some change. I notice it says Series 6 on the box so this is not a good TV by your guys standards huh?

If you don't care about details... By all means why not. Just make sure fuck with the settings and max it to its potential.

[future]

It's what my old TV was and I have no complains. For the size and quality of the picture can't complain


They have a Vizio E series 70 inch for a little more but not a fan of them long term

[tricky_ab]

I'd hate to fire up the excel file for the AV setup when I had finished the basement. My projector alone was $4000 (on sale from $7800). Then there's the electric 106" screen, 64" plasma, AV 7.2 AV setup, wires and connections, players, receiver, etc.

Oh and I wish I could mess with anything less then a flagship model tv. Seriously, my eyes just say "nope" and I keep it moving.

[future]

I don't have flagship money lol

[Felipe]

Tricky_ab only has flagship pockets lol

[exitspeed]

I have 3 flagship kids...which keep me from buying flagship TVs. I save my flagship purschases for things like $5k leather couches that the kids will be fighting over in 50 years. None of them would want an old ass 2017 tv.

[future]

So ended up going down to a 65 inch to get a higher end tv. Settled on a Samsung 65 inch 8 series instead of the 70 inch 6 series


And a series 5 Samsung sound bar

[Felipe]

So ended up going down to a 65 inch to get a higher end tv. Settled on a Samsung 65 inch 8 series instead of the 70 inch 6 series


And a series 5 Samsung sound bar

I like trim on that tv. Looks a little fancy more than sony


http://i.imgur.com/ZKMQD.gif

[TheRealSy90]

I REALLY wanted the 65" LG B6P oled tv at Best Buy over the weekend for 3k. It just seemed to shit all over everything else on the display wall. Unfortunately I couldn't get approved for the best buy card with my current credit.
Ended up going to walmart and picking up a 42" Sharp 4k UHD tv for $500. I know it's not the best but it should hold me over so that I can take a year to build up my credit score with a secured credit card and then go buy that B6P OLED.
Besides I'm just trying to play Zelda on the Switch I picked up haha and I don't think it even outputs 1080p.

[future]

I wish I knew how to tune my tv properly tune a tv settings

[Felipe]

Theres tons of YouTube videos and websites. Just type in your model # and add calibration settings. Most should step by step or easy. If anything you can always reset to factory settings and start over. Just keep in mind where the tv sits and its surroundings (dark room/light room ect...)

[future]

Googling right now


Going to try and mess with it tonight

[future]

Anybody have the spears calibration dick they want to sale me?

[Felipe]

Any luck???

[future]

Yeah way better but I'm the guy who always things it can be better. But I'm not spending $300 for somebody to come to the same stuff i did

[Felipe]

I hear you. I was lucky enough to find 3 calibration options for my tv. Printed them out and i keep them just in case for later on.

[future]

Yeah there are tons of things online but something about me is never satisfied


Even though I got a 8 series vs my old 6 series

Got my first 4k DVD and watched it yesterday. Watched mid day but was still impressed

[Felipe]

What movie was it And what player?

[future]

Xbox one and the Revenent

[tricky_ab]

So ended up going down to a 65 inch to get a higher end tv. Settled on a Samsung 65 inch 8 series instead of the 70 inch 6 series

And a series 5 Samsung sound bar

You did good there. PQ over size any day of the week! Enjoy the set my man!

Yeah way better but I'm the guy who always things it can be better. But I'm not spending $300 for somebody to come to the same stuff i did

There's more to it since they calibrate to your room setup (lighting day/night) with light sensors, but I feel you.

My friend is CEDIA pro so all of my sets, and projector are calibrated.

[future]

Come fly to SoCal and do mine

[Felipe]

Thats going to cost you more than just 300 lol

[future]

I never offered compensation lol


Just asked for help

[Felipe]

You sound like aladdin when he asked the genie to get him out of the cave lol

[tricky_ab]

HAHA well next time I'm in Cali, sure thing ;)

[gbaby2089]

I want a 4K TV in the 46-49" size range, preferably without WiFi connectivity (I run my Mac Mini through it, the less stuff I have connected to my WiFi the better). Is there any one in particular y'all recommend?

[future]

I didn't even know they sold tvs without wifi now

[turbronegro]

Looking for one them fancy 4k TV's. But, I dont know shit about TV's. Hell, I dont even have cable. We use the TV for the PS4 and to stream movies from the laptop, netflix, etc. Our current TV is like a 46 inch Vizio from like 2011 hahaha. I didnt even know TV's had WIFI until that post above. I'm no TV snob but the Vizio is on its way out lol! And it's the only TV in the entire house.

Size - 55" to 65"
Budget - $1,000 or less
Brand - I dont really care.
No 3D

What do you nerds recommend? Please add model numbers so I can be a cheap ass and shop for deals.