Anybody making a wisefab Replica kit yet???

[VegasDrifterS13]

I want to know if any shop has done or is doing this. I want one !!!

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[shiftdrift]

why not buy their kit?

[VegasDrifterS13]

$2000.00 price tag is high. For what its worth of metal including the stainless spherical rod ends. Figuring 6hrs labor in building them $6-800. Now that theyve done all the R&D, All that needs to be done is is replication of geometry. I figure a kit with the same specs for $1000- 1200 is more affordable. Maybe I need to orchestrate the production of these.

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[Wake]

people like you are the reason our industry sucks ass.

[VegasDrifterS13]

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[zerodameaon]

Wow you are like the opposite of GarageMakS14, like maybe his mortal enemy.

Also trying to strengthen your viewpoint with replica wheels is not going to help you at all, only dig your grave faster.

[VegasDrifterS13]

And 65 degrees of flawless smooth max grip steering is the end result. If you want it blue, and have a fancy WF stamp, pay it. If the same results can be had for less. Why waste money? ID RATHER HAVE MORE TIRES TO BURN!!!!

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[shiftdrift]

you really don't need them to drift. just go out and get seat time.

[Motary]

R&D is what sets the price tag and they manufacture everything they can in house to keep quality where it's at. There are replica kits around but they break.

[VegasDrifterS13]

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[zerodameaon]

Function is my point. For those of us who care about function>form.

Keep digging, your almost 6ft under just a little more, would you mind back filling once you are all the way in? If you think Varrstoen, Brota, etc. are function over form you are mistaken.

[LayNLow]

people like you are the reason our industry sucks ass.

This. When was the last time you saw the actual parts cost for a real race car? Let me guess, never. You are paying for their R&D, their testing and development, the programs they use to calculate stress points and to generate a working suspension model. It is a critical suspension part here, if you really want to run cheap shit on a car you probably daily think about not only yourself but the peoples life around you that you jeopardize due to cheap parts. Don't drive near me please.

[TheRealSy90]

angle kits are necessary. For many reasons. 5,000 hours of seat time in a bone stock 240 will never teach you what 2 hours in a built car can. Scrubbing and spinning or low angle drifting is whack either way, and thats all that is possible on stock geometry.


You are an idiot. I've seen gangster ass backwards 4th gear entries on stock knuckles. Tire choice and alignment plays a big part too. Not to mention skill, but I wouldn't expect you to know anything about that...


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[VegasDrifterS13]

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[RalliartRsX]

Forged, better material and about 5-8lbs lighter per wheel??

Each lb of rotating mass equates to roughly 20lbs of dead weight.............Again, you are PAYING for development, tooling, etc, NOT JUST MATERIALS AND LABOR!

IJS............

[VegasDrifterS13]

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[VegasDrifterS13]

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[TheRealSy90]

Lol when did I say anything about "pro level"? I'm talking street car son. And a reverse entry on stock knuckles is all about NOT having grip on the front end so that it goes into a 4 wheel slide after you pass 90 while retaining rear traction so the front end comes back around.


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[PoorMans180SX]

people like you are the reason our industry sucks ass.

Yes this exactly.

And 65 degrees of flawless smooth max grip steering is the end result. If you want it blue, and have a fancy WF stamp, pay it. If the same results can be had for less. Why waste money? ID RATHER HAVE MORE TIRES TO BURN!!!!

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You do realize that Wisefab has a 3D model generator they use to make accurate parts and an actual engineer that designs their kits right? Tools, R&D, and education cost money, a lot of money, and they deserve the money in return for their effort in developing a kit.

Saying "I'd rather have more tires" is a cheap cop-out excuse for ripping off someone's hard work and selling it at half of the price because you didn't have any development costs.

Now if you wanted to develop your own kit from scratch, more power to you, but if you want to knock off legit manufacturer's parts, please go buy a Camaro and leave the S-chassis alone.

Riiiiiight........ Cuz thats what driftings all about. Uncontollably throwing Your Daily Driver Stock 240 into a reverse entry drift @ 90mph + & hoping your front end gets traction after your rear does...

Sounds Genius.... All Hail The Omniscient DRIFTGOD "TheRealSy90" for his knowledge is the Gospel.

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Aaaaanddd this post just proves what an ignorant mindset you have.

[TrustS13]

Next, this guy will ask who can sell him some knock of NT05s or other tires..

"But its the same design as the NT05 just made by Sunny... i'll use my knock off tires until the day I die bro!"

[VegasDrifterS13]

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[VegasDrifterS13]

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[PoorMans180SX]

Before you made those two statements I was reserving judgement, but I can see now that you're a clown. Please leave Zilvia or amend your attitude.

There are other kits with the same/similar geometry, but they also cost a lot of money. If you want zero ackerman for cheap, here you go:

These guys are practically begging for customers.

S-Chassis Front End Suspension Assembly (http://www.shop.keislerautomation.com/S-Chassis-Front-End-Suspension-Assembly-10205.htm)

[zerodameaon]

Youre Taking this out of context man.

For a drift Car, A Rays Volk TE37 Doesnt do anything Different Than A Varrstoen ES 2.2.1. They both hold A Tire To the vehicle.


Thank you for continuing to prove my point.

[kingkilburn]

Can we get a vote to ban setup going on Zilvia?

I nominate the OP to be banned.

[VegasDrifterS13]

Before you made those two statements I was reserving judgement, but I can see now that you're a clown. Please leave Zilvia or amend your attitude.

There are other kits with the same/similar geometry, but they also cost a lot of money. If you want zero ackerman for cheap, here you go:

These guys are practically begging for customers.

S-Chassis Front End Suspension Assembly (http://www.shop.keislerautomation.com/S-Chassis-Front-End-Suspension-Assembly-10205.htm)

Everyone is shitting on my Genuine Original Question. Im irritated with people posting theyre Irrelevant Comments. Im not an asshole or Intending to Offend Anyone. I dont see why all you Zilvians Have Such Shitty things to say Constantly. CHECK MY POSTS. I crack jokes, and help people thru problems if I have any experience, And mainly read useful info I search for. But I stand Firm Against All Internet Tough Guys, Shit Talkers, Idiots, & whiners.

I asked a simple Question. I was asked reasoning. I explained and then All these People with theyre Attacks And BS Comments start pouring In.

Thanks Poormans180sx. You are the only one who said anything relevant to my Original Question. I appreciate it. Anyone Else. Thanks for your Input, it served no purpose other than causing people frustration and now a Huge Misread of my character due to Clowns shitting on my thread and my short temper for ignorant people.

I really care less about peoples .02 on this website. I love drifting. Forget everyones Opinion.



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[VegasDrifterS13]

Mods can delete or lock this. I found my info.

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[zerodameaon]

You are the only one frustrated, and your post was pretty much asking who wants to help you rip off another company, or help you dig up one that is already doing so. Not a single one of us has misread your character. We read it exactly as YOU presented it, not us. So far I have only seen BS comments from you.

[TheRealSy90]

You really think drifting is all about the parts on the car and not the drivers skill? GTFO. Some 18 year old in japan could probably out drift you in a stock ca18 Silvia...


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[kingkilburn]

Guys can you help me find a knock off car on the cheap and some knock off skill and passion so I can drift?

#donthatemyswag

[xoxide]

My head hurts after reading this fuckery... I have a hard time comprehending how an "automotive engineer" doesnt understand the fact you're paying for r&d, tooling, time on products like wisefab's kits... not the "steel tubes and heim joints"....

[VegasDrifterS13]

My head hurts after reading this fuckery... I have a hard time comprehending how an "automotive engineer" doesnt understand the fact you're paying for r&d, tooling, time on products like wisefab's kits... not the "steel tubes and heim joints"....

Plain and simple Just wanted to know if anyone had duplicated geometry for a more affordable price. I never said I didnt understand why they charge so much. I watched every video they have produced and read their entire webpage. I understand they have to pay for the Digital 3D mapping machine they use thats within .5mm accurate. I understand that they have an engineer in house paying him a hefty salary for his degree and services. Im not even saying that theyre kit is not worth every penny they want for it. I was only asking about more affordable options. Drifting is pricey as it is.

Anyways Im gonna try out a Keisler Kit. Looks nice. $650. All CNC billet 7075 Aircraft aluminum. Thats Cheaper than my cut spindle/ext lca + mismatch tie rods setup i have now.

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[zerodameaon]

You asked for a replica at a cheaper price, so is that not saying you think it is worth less?

[VegasDrifterS13]

You really think drifting is all about the parts on the car and not the drivers skill? GTFO. Some 18 year old in japan could probably out drift you in a stock ca18 Silvia...


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Ironically, THATS EXACTLY MY POINT. DRIFTING IS NOT AT ALL ABOUT THE PARTS ON YOUR CAR. CERTAIN PARTS ARE BETTER. CERTAIN PARTS DO THE SAME JOB NO MATTER WHAT THEY COST.

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[kingkilburn]

And if you want the benefits of the certain better parts you should pay the people that design and make them not cut them off at the knees and drive them out by aping their shit.

[VegasDrifterS13]

Guys can you help me find a knock off car on the cheap and some knock off skill and passion so I can drift?

#donthatemyswag

Wow man. Thats pretty far. But if everyones goal on zilvia is purely to race a 100% Baller part Show Car then I understand all of your opinions. I dont see a point in involving a car, that you have poured $40,000 into, in a motorsport that could destroy it. I love Legit Baller Parts as much as anyone. Just dont ever plan on destoying my money that way. Most of the Uber expensive stuff is so nice it should be detailed and garaged with a cover inside of a climate contolled garage. I would never light $100 bills on fire either.

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[VegasDrifterS13]

You asked for a replica at a cheaper price, so is that not saying you think it is worth less?

No. I see the justification of their value. I simply am saying I want a similar product for a lower price and believe others would also benefit from this.

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[VegasDrifterS13]

And if you want the benefits of the certain better parts you should pay the people that design and make them not cut them off at the knees and drive them out by aping their shit.

I get your gripes. Those who want that kit will buy it. I found the one im willing to pay for. That was my goal for this thread. I achieved it. Unfortunately my opinion differs from several of you and we will have to agree to disagree. No hard feelings. Its just the internet.

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[codyace]

$2000.00 price tag is high. For what its worth of metal including the stainless spherical rod ends. Figuring 6hrs labor in building them $6-800. Now that theyve done all the R&D, All that needs to be done is is replication of geometry. I figure a kit with the same specs for $1000- 1200 is more affordable. Maybe I need to orchestrate the production of these.


Just fuckin wow.

For someone who assumes and figures so much, what sort of fab work have you done or work have you ever done on your car?

You find any shop that is gonna make you a one off for 1000 bucks and I'll send ALL of my CNC and fab work there. Heck I know from my end of things that it would easily take 2 days for setup and measure, let alone cutting, welding, cleaning, powdercoating, etc etc. And that's assuming you have the time for it all. Unsure where you're from, but we're 85-100 an hour depending on the type of work, and I can assure you that 2000 is a steal for something like that, one off.

[oni jake]

Vegas Drifter, I definitely understand what you are talking about what you want. These other guys are really upset about economic principles.

-Will someone eventually knock off Garrett Turbos and sell them on Ebay? Already happened
-Will someone eventually knock off PBM suspension parts and sell them under the B-rated companies such as ISIS, Godspeed, Megan? Of course.
-Will someone make a mold of the hottest wheels out there just to make a replica in far inferior metal? Of course.
-Will someone eventually knock off Wise-FAB kits? ______________

I get what everyone is saying here, spend money towards the right guys because Wise-FAB is legitimately looking to help our community. (I personally %100 love their work) However, knock offs are already in the works. A few dudes with CNC machines posted all over the country are working on their own sets. I see these posts randomly on my FB feed, but I don't have enough time to search for more information.

Keisler Automation offers a full CNC'd kit for Miatas right now, and currently working up a S-chassis setup. All the butthurt dudes on here are mad about nothing. This is how our market works, someone takes an established great idea and changes it just enough to make it their own. Argue it as much as you want, then get mad at everyone who has a smart phone and didn't offer up $600 for a iPhone.

[xoxide]

Wow man. Thats pretty far. But if everyones goal on zilvia is purely to race a 100% Baller part Show Car then I understand all of your opinions. I dont see a point in involving a car, that you have poured $40,000 into, in a motorsport that could destroy it. I love Legit Baller Parts as much as anyone. Just dont ever plan on destoying my money that way. Most of the Uber expensive stuff is so nice it should be detailed and garaged with a cover inside of a climate contolled garage. I would never light $100 bills on fire either.

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$40,000 into a motorsport that could destroy it? You just described EVERY motorsport pretty much... In fact most motorsports will have you in twice as deep for a "quality" setup car that you could destroy in seconds... Ive been racing outlaw sprintcars all my life... We had more into one rolling frame than I do in my whole 240 track car including the motor... One wheel rub and youve destroyed the car pretty much...

Your ignorance amuses me.

[zerodameaon]

^Haha truth right there. Also I am not sure if you have looked at cars like Gittins but its worth a lot more then 40k.


Vegas Drifter, I definitely understand what you are talking about what you want. These other guys are really upset about economic principles.

-Will someone eventually knock off Garrett Turbos and sell them on Ebay? Already happened
-Will someone eventually knock off PBM suspension parts and sell them under the B-rated companies such as ISIS, Godspeed, Megan? Of course.
-Will someone make a mold of the hottest wheels out there just to make a replica in far inferior metal? Of course.
-Will someone eventually knock off Wise-FAB kits? ______________

I get what everyone is saying here, spend money towards the right guys because Wise-FAB is legitimately looking to help our community. (I personally %100 love their work) However, knock offs are already in the works. A few dudes with CNC machines posted all over the country are working on their own sets. I see these posts randomly on my FB feed, but I don't have enough time to search for more information.

Keisler Automation offers a full CNC'd kit for Miatas right now, and currently working up a S-chassis setup. All the butthurt dudes on here are mad about nothing. This is how our market works, someone takes an established great idea and changes it just enough to make it their own. Argue it as much as you want, then get mad at everyone who has a smart phone and didn't offer up $600 for a iPhone.


Building your own is one thing, taking someones design and reverse engineering it, copying it and marketing it as your own is another.

iPhone is your comparison? There were others way before apple ever even conceived the iPhone. Microsoft has been in the smartphone business far longer then Apple.



http://wisefab.com/uus/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/Wisefab_Nissan_L_4efdcb3b5a963.jpg

http://www.shop.keislerautomation.com/images/get-attachment%20(9).jpg

I bet there is a lot more different there then just looks. Oh wait there is a lot more going on, WF is a 1pc LCA/Tension rod, the other is not.

[VegasDrifterS13]

$40,000 into a motorsport that could destroy it? You just described EVERY motorsport pretty much... In fact most motorsports will have you in twice as deep for a "quality" setup car that you could destroy in seconds... Ive been racing outlaw sprintcars all my life... We had more into one rolling frame than I do in my whole 240 track car including the motor... One wheel rub and youve destroyed the car pretty much...

Your ignorance amuses me.

Im speaking of 240s. And am speaking solely about a Car with all parts imaginable being show quality and drifting it. I said $40,000 into One Car. Not a motorsport. Read clearly

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[VegasDrifterS13]

^Haha truth right there. Also I am not sure if you have looked at cars like Gittins but its worth a lot more then 40k.





Building your own is one thing, taking someones design and reverse engineering it, copying it and marketing it as your own is another.

iPhone is your comparison? There were others way before apple ever even conceived the iPhone. Microsoft has been in the smartphone business far longer then Apple.



http://wisefab.com/uus/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/Wisefab_Nissan_L_4efdcb3b5a963.jpg

http://www.shop.keislerautomation.com/images/get-attachment%20(9).jpg

I bet there is a lot more different there then just looks. Oh wait there is a lot more going on, WF is a 1pc LCA/Tension rod, the other is not.

Clearly not the same. But still have similar geometry and work theoretically in the same way. $2000 vs $650.... Thats all....

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[xoxide]

I dont see a point in involving a car, that you have poured $40,000 into, in a motorsport that could destroy it.

Im speaking of 240s. And am speaking solely about a Car with all parts imaginable being show quality and drifting it. I said $40,000 into One Car. Not a motorsport. Read clearly

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No mention of 240.. You spoke in broad terms of dumping 40k into a car that you could destroy in a motorsport. :rolleyes:

[oni jake]

Building your own is one thing, taking someones design and reverse engineering it, copying the idea and marketing it as your own is another.

This is has been the standard model for many companies. Want Pepsi or Coke? iPhone or Galaxy? F150 or 1500? Big Mac or Whopper? If it's a straight mold and copy with no self interpretation, then yeah, that's kinda fucked. I don't think the OP's intentions was asking or justifying who makes the exact molded copy for cheaper, but if there's anything else on the market that can achieve the same effects. This thread just got sidetracked with Zilvia hate bullshit from the second post.

iPhone is your comparison? There were others way before apple ever even conceived the iPhone. Microsoft has been in the smartphone business far longer then Apple.

I used that as a basis because it's pretty much the first and largest successful touch screen phone kick starting the smartphone as we know today.

That's getting a bit off track from WF stuff. The above foremomention of Keisler Automation was at the top of my head for similar suspension products. There's tons more.

The hate in here is ridiculous.

[zerodameaon]

This is has been the standard model for many companies. Want Pepsi or Coke? iPhone or Galaxy? F150 or 1500? Big Mac or Whopper? If it's a straight mold and copy with no self interpretation, then yeah, that's kinda fucked. I don't think the OP's intentions was asking or justifying who makes the exact molded copy for cheaper, but if there's anything else on the market that can achieve the same effects. This thread just got sidetracked with Zilvia hate bullshit from the second post.



I used that as a basis because it's pretty much the first and largest successful touch screen phone kick starting the smartphone as we know today.

That's getting a bit off track from WF stuff. The above foremomention of Keisler Automation was at the top of my head for similar suspension products. There's tons more.

The hate in here is ridiculous.

Don't change my words please.

[zerodameaon]

Im speaking of 240s. And am speaking solely about a Car with all parts imaginable being show quality and drifting it. I said $40,000 into One Car. Not a motorsport. Read clearly

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Really so Dais car should not be in drifting? You sir are a moron.

[VegasDrifterS13]

Really so Dais car should not be in drifting? You sir are a moron.

Crazy how my opinion for my own pocketbook makes the Golden Standard of What Should be drifting or not. I wont drift a baller part build, I dont think its necessary, but thats my opinion. Im not condemning it. But thanks for giving me that much power that you feel my opinion has set a Law

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[zerodameaon]

You are the one that said it not me.

[lgsr20swap]

Wow.

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[VegasDrifterS13]

Wow.

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Yep.

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[kingkilburn]

Im speaking of 240s. And am speaking solely about a Car with all parts imaginable being show quality and drifting it. I said $40,000 into One Car. Not a motorsport. Read clearly

What the fuck is this show quality nonsense? Are we building cars for brownie points at HIN?

Clearly not the same. But still have similar geometry and work theoretically in the same way. $2000 vs $650.... Thats all..


You've proven your grave ignorance on the subject of suspension links. There is a fuck ton more involved than them looking marginally similar to your untrained eyes.

[VegasDrifterS13]

What the fuck is this show quality nonsense? Are we building cars for brownie points at HIN?




You've proven your grave ignorance on the subject of suspension links. There is a fuck ton more involved than them looking marginally similar to your untrained eyes.

K Dude. No more of this thread for me. Obviously theyre completely different. BUT THEYRE ACHIEVEMENT OF 0 ACKERMAN AND 60+ DEGREES OF LOCK ARE SIMILAR, NOT EXACT, AND THE PRICE TAGS ARE VERY DIFFERENT, THATS ALL. And if you read THE FIRST COMMENT THOUROGHLY I was talking about NOT caring about having a show car to Drift In. All these guys and their "baller parts only" attitudes. You all have Giant Internet Ego's and I will not continue to bicker with you folks. GET A LIFE!

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[codyace]

VegasDrifter, any pics of your car or it in action? I'd love to see what you own.

[VegasDrifterS13]

VegasDrifter, any pics of your car or it in action? I'd love to see what you own.

Just an S13 Hatch, Kouki tails, blacktop Sr, S15 T28, supertech pistons & rings, Acl bearings, micro polished crank, tomei rocker arm stoppers, Sard 550cc inj's, trust 3in downpipe, 3in ebay exhaust, Aem wideband & A/F guage, Redline Efi ECU, 1 Bar of boost 14.6psi, Nismo Clutch, Nismo SSS 2way diff, Alum 1 piece DS, Tein Flex Coilovers, circuit sports rods, Signal Auto Bucket, Nrg wheel, F&R strut bars, 6pt safety 21 bolt in, Apexi AVCR boost controller, Apexi SAFC2, sittin on stock 14 se wheels, Nothin Crazy. Very mild nothin special, but extremely functional.

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[VegasDrifterS13]

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[VegasDrifterS13]

Heres some more.

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[codyace]

So you expect a cheapy knock of kit, yet have overpriced generic stuff on your car?


Concentrate on the rest of the car, then worry about your angle kid. I'd say start with those shat coilovers.

[zerodameaon]

I'd say start with those shat coilovers.

Agreed, and get a proper roll cage. Your dash is already fucked why not cut some more holes in it in the name of safety.

[Wake]

BUT SAFETY is IN the name!!!!

[VegasDrifterS13]

So you expect a cheapy knock of kit, yet have overpriced generic stuff on your car?


Concentrate on the rest of the car, then worry about your angle kid. I'd say start with those shat coilovers.

Yes not great coils but They work fine and are way better than godspeeds or ebays. Traded my Daily Ka Sil80 for this car as it sits. I havent done anything to this car other than drive it at an event and clean it up.

Im starting with Angle Kit and Stance coils. I have sold the cage and am stitch welding the whole chassis prepping it for an FD legal cage that might actually work. The car itself runs great.

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[VegasDrifterS13]

Agreed, and get a proper roll cage. Your dash is already fucked why not cut some more holes in it in the name of safety.

I have already sold the cage. Currently stitch welding and prepping the car for an FD legal cage so I can compete ProAm this season.

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[VegasDrifterS13]

BUT SAFETY is IN the name!!!!

Lol. Cage is gone. It did make the car rigid but not Safe in any serious crash at all. The door bars were welded in. But still had to go.

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[VegasDrifterS13]

Other cars Ive had.

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[VegasDrifterS13]

My tow bitches...

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[VegasDrifterS13]

Cool RHD gc8 I had.

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[jamg]

Clearly not the same. But still have similar geometry and work theoretically in the same way. $2000 vs $650.... Thats all....

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pretty much this.

both of them have the same function.

one may be 30* taller than the other, but the functionality of the parts are *theoretically* the same.

the cheaper item is still made of some decent material.

[VegasDrifterS13]

pretty much this.

both of them have the same function.

one may be 30* taller than the other, but the functionality of the parts are *theoretically* the same.

the cheaper item is still made of some decent material.

I thought CNC'd 7075 Aircraft Aluminum was pretty decent as well. Im gonna give them a try unless I find a better option for relative pricing like $1000 or less

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[hks4life]

So you expect a cheapy knock of kit, yet have overpriced generic stuff on your car?


Concentrate on the rest of the car, then worry about your angle kid. I'd say start with those shat coilovers.
how are tien flex shit? arnt they their street and track spec? i know they make like 6 types of the tein flex but its not like he is on basics.

[VegasDrifterS13]

how are tien flex shit? arnt they their street and track spec? i know they make like 6 types of the tein flex but its not like he is on basics.

They are fine in my opinion and are $1400. The damper adjustments are great, I dial up to 3 from the top for the track and then back down to 4 from the bottom to drive around in between track days. I just prefer Stance Over Everything, I have 4 kids local that wanna buy my coils when I get my stances. Not worried about it. Lol

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[brian310]

this thread is a shit storm lol, great read though :rofl:

[VegasDrifterS13]

this thread is a shit storm lol, great read though :rofl:

Right.... Lol

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