My Personal Concern

[konkman]

I may be totally crazy, but I've been finding my personal enjoyment on Zilvia is going downhill. Posts are getting bad sometimes. This doesn't apply to a number members on Zilvia.

If you know more then the new guys help them out. If you arent getting the answers you want, clarify, don't critisis. Just help out, we all have a common interest and common goals.

Why do we need to chop eachother down. Some of us are mechanics and others have no mechanical training. I just think that we should think twice before we drop a post on a thread. If it is worth saying say it, otherwise, just leave it.


This is just something I have seen happening as Zilvia grows. I don't mind if one person replies to this.

[misnomer]

New people, new attitudes. Things change. ####, I remember when I could check the forum every other day and still not have to go to the second page of threads <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[DuffMan]

I know, it's all my fault.

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[S13Grl]

Yeah, duffman, it's all you! Shame on you!!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> Just kidding...

I have to agree with you, konkman. I said we're slowly getting to be like the other message boards. I think it's a little better now than it used to be a while back, we had the discussion about &quot;rice&quot;, a lot of people steamed out there.
I think we're doing ok... most of the time. Sometimes, some people are overly sarcastic and like to criticize too much, so little things arise every now and then, but I guess we tend to calm down pretty soon afterwards.

I don't know... I think we're fine for now. &nbsp;Besides, we now have more moderators than just West.

[DSC]

Someone mentioned this before but...Whenever you get a group of people together this large there's going to be conflict. Especially when you don't actually have to SEE eachother. Same reason road rage is so bad (with the exception of irena) you don't actually make contact with the person <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> so its easier to get pissy. If granny's driving slow you hate her, if she's going through a store slow, its OK cauz she's a granny. Same concept, if you don't actually have to face someone its a lot easier to be an #######. Also, its hard to actually say what you mean using just words and a couple <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>:) some people may mean no harm but they word something wrong and it looks like they are being a real jerk when they are just trying to be funny. I think we're doin pretty good considering our size...

Oh yeah, and if someone with 2 posts is asking whether they should turbo their KA or go for an SR swap, give them an answer or link them or an old thread, don't just post &quot;this has been done before, look it up&quot; it really isn't helpful <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

(Edited by DSC at 8<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>9 am on Nov. 13, 2001)

[BlankFlip]

i don't think it's that bad or nething around here, just that i find i'm not reading as much interesting posts as i used to a lil' while ago, but i could be blamed for stuff like that i guess.

[S13Grl]

Yeah, you're boring!!! (haha, just kidding!)

That's true about us being hostile to each other because we don't see who we're posting to. What are we supposed to do? Put our face pics in our avatars? No one is gonna do that, I don't think.
I believe we should just do our best to be nice to each other.

[HippoSleek]

I agree that the quality of posts has slid downhill and that the quality or replies has become lower, to match. &nbsp;I also agree that this is a growth problem.

I've seen this with every board I've been a part of and see it happening here. &nbsp;The more people that buy 240s and read about them in &quot;2nR mags,&quot; the less likely you are to have true enthusiasts. &nbsp;The more likely you are to have 14 year old kids dreaming. &nbsp;The more likely you are to have trolls. &nbsp;The more likely you are to get stupid questions that should have been answered before the person bought the car - if they bought it at all. &nbsp;I guess the bottom line is that with fame comes hardship - or so say Hollywood stars. &nbsp;

That said, I try not to post smart ass comments, but just ignore the post if I don't &quot;deem it worthy.&quot; &nbsp;Sure, it sounds like a high horse thing, but the reality is that I don't have time to rehash a discussion. &nbsp;On the other hand, I have also told people to look back through the old threads, given them a link, or told them to do a yahoo search. &nbsp;I don't think that is unfair, nor do I think I should be responsible for chaparoning their knowledge for the basics. &nbsp;I agree that it shouldn't be done in a snide way, but I think that it is not inappropriate. &nbsp;After all, even our most knowledgable members get this stuff from somewhere.

Finally, I think that you mods may need to step in on occasion. &nbsp;If a post has been duplicated in a short amount of time, close it and point them to the existing thread. &nbsp;Also, (and I've noticed this happening), don't be afraid to move a post to where it should be. &nbsp;That way, newbies will get used to where to go for what and may notice that it is already there.

In the meanwhile, let's hope that we can hold down the fort during this influx and establish this board as a quality, friendly alternative to the others out there. &nbsp;After seeing the recent exodous on another board of the highest quality members, I understand the need to keep these forces in check to make the dedicated members happy while welcoming in new ones.

[S13Grl]

I honestly try my best to answer people's questions about how to do things on the site, I try to move and delete all topics on time, and I really don't think I'm &quot;afraid&quot; to do any of it. Sometimes, I feel that I should apologize for moving it because a lot of people aren't used to having moderators and whatnot, and I don't want anyone being mad at me.

As for repetitive topics, what can we do? There's over 50 pages in each Chat and Tech Talk alone, a lot of people don't want to look through that. Also, we end up talking about a lot of things in one thread, some people dont' want to look through these threads and it takes a long time to search. It's a lot easier to just post a question up for immediate attention.

I think that I'm gonna go ahead and prune our chat and tech talk section so that we may &quot;start over&quot; -- somewhat start over that is.

[yenpit]

hey s13Grl.....how bout a quick note on how to direct or link a &quot;new&quot; thread to an older thread. can we easily say check this older thread like we might link to another website...??? maybe thatll help.....

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from S13Grl on 9:28 am on Nov. 13, 2001


I think that I'm gonna go ahead and prune our chat and tech talk section so that we may &quot;start over&quot; -- somewhat start over that is.

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Please don't prune anything, some of us (me) still use the search tool <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[S13Grl]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from yenpit on 10:49 am on Nov. 13, 2001
hey s13Grl.....how bout a quick note on how to direct or link a &quot;new&quot; thread to an older thread. can we easily say check this older thread like we might link to another website...??? maybe thatll help.....
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Definitely. All you need to do is find the thread you'd like to link with the new one, copy its URL address and post it like this:
new post url






(Edited by S13Grl at 12:26 pm on Nov. 13, 2001)


(Edited by S13Grl at 12:27 pm on Nov. 13, 2001)

[wherezmytofu]

i blame those #### new pplz with catz in their sig!!!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[DSC]

Ya, i use the search tool as well, I say don't prune. &nbsp;Didn't west prune on accident a couple months ago and kill a lot of old posts?

[burgy240]

I understand not wanting to rehash old topics over and over, but if it has been awhile and soem one new comes in he/she may not even know that it has been discussed. Politely linking them to the old thread is great but don't be snide about it. Also, this in part is a small reason why the posts R less interesting as well. Say four months ago you all discussed a basic topic that now seems so minor. If someone new comes up with the same question, now u just link them rather than create a thread where info is shared. NOt a bad thing just remember that the more you learn about the basics the less interesting they become. Some of us r still stuck on the basics though. We may need a little more time to catch up thats all. thanks though. For the most part this is still the BEST board I've been a part of and the people on here have been really helpful. Peace <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

(Edited by burgy240 at 10:51 am on Nov. 13, 2001)

[chickenmanq]

I don't know. &nbsp;Maybe I'm missing the bad posts. &nbsp;Then again, maybe I'm posting them and just ignorant. &nbsp;I feel I occasionally get flak for being in this forum, since I have a D21 hardbody, but it's not that big of a deal. &nbsp;From what I've seen, even some semi-rude comments can be ironed out by thoughtful and polite responses.

As for myself, I get so much joy out of engines and cars in general, it's really nice to be able to talk with people of the same attitude. &nbsp;My roomates can't understand what a cam is, much less when I talk about it, they roll their eyes or something.

I think it's alright. &nbsp;Just remember, you could meet the person you're talking to one day, and people always remember the bad more than the good.

[vancouvers14]

i agree with konkmans original point. &nbsp;in the past 2 months, a ton of new members have joined, and some have been clueless 14 year olds asking stupid questions like &quot;can i put a v12 in my 240?&quot; or &quot;i'm getting a turbo in 2 days, what do i do?&quot;. &nbsp;It seems that no-one is being honest here anymore. &nbsp;everyone's talking a lot about what they're gonna do but then nobody does it. &nbsp;genereal rule i follow, if i don't need to know, i don't ask. &nbsp;if you're not getting a $20K skyline engine, don't ask. &nbsp;i hate having to click to page 2 to get the latest posts.

[transient]

I've got an idea for the old post thing. I've seen it on quite a few messageboards. There is one forum dedicated to locked old posts that concern things that seem to come up frequently, IE &quot;how much HP will a new exhaust give me?&quot; That way people don't have to search through a bunch of posts, but we don't have the same old posts coming up over and over again.

[Klah Kalash]

Yeah...#### newbies...
...

Anyways, I sort of tried to educate myself a bit before registering, but of course everyone's bound to have some questions every now and then...so...yeah...

Wouldn't it just be easier if some of you smarter members put together a F.A.Q. for us curious ones, and have a link posted on the main forum page...?

[konkman]

Hippo and and Vancouver have got it.

We can't stop new members from joining, and we do all get frustrated with stupid questions, expecially repeated questions. &nbsp;I think if you have a specific question needing an honest answer post it. &nbsp;But if your to lazy to simply check past post before tossing down a new thread you deserve to get that &quot;CHECK PAST POSTS.&quot; &nbsp;

I'm not being a prick. I'm just sick of trying to help someone out with a little knowledge and encouragement, then getting getting shot down by some high strug punk. &nbsp;

So think before you post. &nbsp;Teach eachother through example. &nbsp;

[ca18guy]

I'll do my part and add this to my sig : &nbsp;www.240SX.org/faq &nbsp;that is the best FAQ for 240SX's and should be required reading <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Gold240se]

I mentioned this in another post, the &quot;what do I need SR swap&quot; posts get more responces then the real, have to know now, have work in the morning, car is dead, real life posts. &nbsp;It is frustrating, but all you can really do is kinda distance yourself a little. &nbsp;It's like playing your favorite CD 24/7. &nbsp;I think a lot of these kids (young kids) just want some one to hear them say that they are putting an SR in their car. &nbsp;If they were really ging to do it, they'd research it them selves. &nbsp;

EMPTY BARRELS MAKE THE MOST NOISE.

[BlankFlip]

i don't c nething wrong w/ bringing up n old topic, i mean, i might check the older ones n search for it, but if i don't find the answer i'm looking for, then of course i'd wanna bring it up again. maybe some new person could contribute some info on it or maybe u learned something new about the topic since the last one was up.

[Zexel]

like misnomer said. &nbsp;the only thing I see wrong with it is that it's getting harder to post and harder to read a lot of the posts. &nbsp;I mean, so many people post nowadays, it takes so long to read a post! &nbsp;I mean, of course it's all helpful and useful to most of you. &nbsp;but tha'ts the only thing is harder to read a lot of posts. &nbsp;and a few conflicts here and there, but that's just how it goes when there's such a variety of people like us!

[S13Grl]

I also agree with you guys, it gets boring posting back the same stuff over and over again. So, more people should use the search option. But we also are here to answer each other's questions. So, it's only fair that we maybe link the answer to the post with the question, or try and be nice about it.

[Gold240se]

I try and contribute what I know if I realize they are asking a question that might be better answered if they search back. &nbsp;I guess thats the best I can do to solve this little bump in the road. &nbsp;I never get tird of talking about cars, but I'm past dreaming. &nbsp;I have my goals in mind and I've learned over the past couple of years that there is a lot of really hard work that goes into cars. &nbsp;I never thought it was easy, but now I really know. &nbsp;I think when a lot of the younger kids or people who like to pipe dream all day come back down to earth this will all pan out.

[Gold240se]

Sounds good to me. &nbsp;Is it hard to get that on this forum?

[S13Grl]

Not at all. I'll contribute-definitely.

[transient]

Yeah, that's basically the same as what I was saying.

[antigrind]

i am new tothis site i havebeen posting at 240sx.org i thought that site was great and i still do. but i found this site and this seems like a different atmosphere (sp) i like it. I have been to vwvortex before and like it thre and i hve found similarities in that site and this one. as for the part about newbies asking what we think are dumb q's we have to think back the day we got are 240s. some of us knew nothing about them. i was lucky and knew alot because my friend had one before me. just bearwith it and help them out if you can. as for the part about the threads being large. i thinkthats great. all thats mean is that more people are (seeing the light) lol.

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;craig

[drifterx]

i agree with antigrind....... if u dont wanna answer then dont.... most people type the question on the tread's title anyways so u dont even need to click into it

[Drifting Ricer]

I originated from 240sx.org I joined here not to long ago. I knew about this spot because s13grl posted there. Some of the guys new this forum so here I?m. I'll stay here 'cause some of the guys here a from where I'm from. I think the 240.org is a slower site but still just a good. I like both places.

[konkman]

We all can see the issue here. &nbsp;We just need to help keep this place up and running better. &nbsp;Our moderators help and we have to call people when they are acting stupid. &nbsp;Not rag on them, just let them know. &nbsp;We can't scare people away, just make them aware of how to act.

Take it on yourself.

[Takumi]

Here's a little story I'd like to share. Please don't flame me. I just wanted to show that I'm not some riceboy who reads Import Tuner or Super Street, saw Ricky Chu and Non Fujita's S14's and said &quot;OMG! DIS IS DA CAR I WANNA GET CUZ IT IS SO TIGHT!!!11 JDM AND DRIFTING [email protected]!#(2&quot; &gt;_&lt;

Well, of course, I'm new to the board. I've only been here for a week. I read this board so I can gain more knowledge on the 240SX. The thing is, I've always loved the 240SX since my Sophmore year of high school when a friend of mine showed me an issue of Carboy Magazine. There was this sweet looking 180SX with a Nismo kit, large intercooler, and a metallic blue paint job. Then I wanted a fastback. Eventually my friends who are Honda drivers lured me away from Nissans. So I started learning about Hondas. All this time I've neglected learning about 240SX's for the past 4 years. Everyone at school tuned Hondas and they had no clue about anything concerning 240SX's and SR20DET's. So I had to follow the crowd.

Not until recently I went back to Nissans after I've gotten tired of Honda tuning and wanted to do something different. My 92 Integra is giving me problems and I was thinking about getting another car, like an EJ Civic EX with a Type R swap or a DC2 Integra GSR. I hate to say this, but Initial D sorta fired up my interest in Silvias and 180SX's. That's where I learned about the Sil-Eighty as well. Then I just hopped on the net finding stuff about 'em and here I am!

I only ask questions just to answer any doubts I would have about getting a 240SX. I don't wanna get a car and then realize that there are things I don't like about it or problems and such. Also, I just like to plan ahead and ask questions only to further convince myself that whenever I get another car, I won't be regretting it down the line with a 240SX. I always try to do a search for specific words 2-3 times before posting my question. ^_^

Anyway...I like this board, it's friendly. There aren't as many hotheads flaming people or facists like the Honda boards I used to visit.

[S13Grl]

Guys, if you feel that there is something that we're not doing the right way or that we're not paying enough attention to the boards, please message one of us. I'm online most of the time during the day, weekdays, because I'm at work. If there's an issue that we maybe overlooked, please, send one of us a message, an e-mail, it'll definitely get taken care of.

Takumi, I for one am glad you got pulled away from the honda boards <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> and I also agree with you about the fact that we're pretty darn friendly here. Multiple factors play a role. So, enjoy.

Konkman, it was a good idea to start this topic, honestly. I wouldn't have thought of it, but we covered some pretty important issues. So, good job.

[vancouvers14]

just to clarify my point, i don't want ppl to stop asking questions. &nbsp;just stop asking things like &quot;how much will it cost to make my 240 a twinturbo&quot; or &quot;how much will it cost to give me 600hp&quot;. &nbsp;1 minute of research will tell you why everyone is gonna laugh at you.

[Takumi]

This board just feels more like the Generation 2 Integra Club board I used to check out. Everyone has almost the same car, so whenever you get a problem with your 240SX, there's bound to be someone out there who has the same thing before. The board isn't spread out into too many sections and the board's so small that it's easy to notice if there's new members.