Gaming PC Builds & Hardware

[BOROSUN]

I just ordered this punani with bf4.

all the benchmarks are starting to pour, now that's released. :eek:

I got to say, it was worth waiting. against the $1k titan, it trades blows and smashes it on higher res.

I recommend this bitch and support amd. @ $579. to think I was going to settle with a piss poor card gtx770 on sli awhile back which was way overpriced $400-450ish each.:picardfp: thank gwad for ATI, I meant AMD.



its going to my fx last hoorah build.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/fxlasthurah_zps0105250b.jpg
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/114FAC80-325D-43D9-B0F8-B8ABB1FBE49E-4985-00000C9B48B45554_zps01c5d186.jpg


too bad amd cpu sucks balls without 3.0pcie support. next year I guess.

i'll update when it arrives.


here's some benchs
AMD Radeon R9 290X 4 GB Review | techPowerUp (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/1.html)

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/10/24/amd-radeon-r9-290x-4gb-review/1

[S14DB]

AMD Radeon R9 290X 4 GB Review | techPowerUp (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/8.html)
AMD Radeon R9 290X 4GB - Battlefield 3 Performance | bit-tech.net (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/10/24/amd-radeon-r9-290x-4gb-review/6)

uh...

[0100]

Yeah AMD all the way! I have had my 7970 OC'ed to the moon, for over a year, and it has never failed me. The R9 290x is really tempting me.

[Frank_Jaeger]

I'm still rockin two 6850s.

[BOROSUN]

AMD Radeon R9 290X 4 GB Review | techPowerUp (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/8.html)
AMD Radeon R9 290X 4GB - Battlefield 3 Performance | bit-tech.net (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/10/24/amd-radeon-r9-290x-4gb-review/6)

uh...

They have different test setup.

And some site just secretly preferred a certain company to boost.

[BOROSUN]

found it wait on my door steps after getting back from work.
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/BDE197FB-4954-4FBB-85FF-9BBD045FA0B8-5936-00000DB3E9EE3093_zpsdfcf7e0b.jpg

after trying to uninstall CCC and a couple of BSOD...slapped it on
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/1884DDDF-43C8-4DD0-8BAD-A11CD88EEB3B-5936-00000DB42F29259A_zps41c9e444.jpg

installed beta 6 drivers and overclocked on uber mode.
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/290xovclck_zpsf52f3b94.jpg

I also played planetside2 (cpu intensive sucky optimized game) on 1100MHz gpu it was around 30-60ish fps on heavy battles @ 5760x1080 res. now, im trying this clock setup.
AMD Radeon R9-290X review - Overclocking The AMD Radeon R9-290X (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_r9_290x_review_benchmarks,29.html)

[BOROSUN]

update ....

-fuck these beta drivers. I kept getting BSOD and some other crash problem which made me do a windows install. I switched to the 13.11.

-I keep freaking out how high temps these card get but, it was designed to do that, hit 95c normal operating temps. i'm going to h20 cool my system when I retire the 5ghz FX. this card idles well btw.

-5760x1080 w/ all eye candy on ultra high couldn't get the magic spot 60fps. it really struggle 13-20fps with ps2 ultra w/ FOV fix (bumped up the resolution). w/o the FOV fix normally runs 30-60fps . will probably get another 290x for Xfire.

-still waiting for bf4 (2 more days, yay), better drivers and mantle to see what this card can really do.

-my sapphire card doesn't detect my displayport on start up. I have to unplug it then plug it back to detect it.

[tiggertsi]

been running ati/amds on asus boards for years. at the moment i got 2 6950 2gb unlocked to 6970 shaders. my last 4 cards have been sapphires and i have had good experiences with them. so far tho my favorite amd/ati is the older 4850 x2s. too bad they don't support directx 11 or i'd have 2 of those suckers still installed. at the least i wish amd would release a comparable newer x2 card.

-my sapphire card doesn't detect my displayport on start up. I have to unplug it then plug it back to detect it.

do you happen to have a samsung monitor? mine does that and i've read from multiple places that the supplied samsung displayport cables for whatever reason will cause that to happen sometimes. i can't say for sure because as of yet i have not replaced my cable.

[BOROSUN]

I do have a Sammy sa700. but, the displayport I have is a aftermarket amd recommended. weird thing is, this never happened before until I switch to 290x.

after digging more info. I guess, I was doing it wrong! I got to switch to the hdmi port.

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/R7260X-REVIEW/R7260X-REVIEW-18.jpg

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/R7260X-REVIEW/R7260X-REVIEW-19.jpg

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/R7260X-REVIEW/R7260X-REVIEW-20.jpg

[BOROSUN]

update.

bought a second r9 290x.
now I BSOD with 13.11 beta 9.2. before , it was running fine with single 290x OC 35% - 7% -7%.

driver is sucking ass right now. cmon amd.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/69183DB1-487C-464F-B592-71966F69BCC9-6648-00000B980D148E05_zps5b2a174d.jpg

[S14DB]

Been trying to scoop up some 7950's used now that everyone is going to these...

[0100]

That is a beast of a setup!

That should drive a triple screen setup very nicely.

[theronin]

I have been avoiding this thread for a while now. Big mistake clicking the link n reading all the posts, now I'm itching to go give fry's all my moneys. :/ you guys usually use Newegg? Or is there a better site nowadays? My rig is well over 5 years old

[S14DB]

I have been avoiding this thread for a while now. Big mistake clicking the link n reading all the posts, now I'm itching to go give fry's all my moneys. :/ you guys usually use Newegg? Or is there a better site nowadays? My rig is well over 5 years old

Newegg. I like their return policy's encase the card doesn't survive burn in...

What processor do you have? Most games cranked up their processor load for physics and such.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Have you tried mining with your 290x? I'm thinking about getting 3 7950s.

[BOROSUN]

nah, this rig is only for watching porn and games. so, I can turn up all the sweet eye candy.

one particular game i'm building up for is Star citizen with oculus rift or 4k monitor.


you should be looking for 7970 ghz editions.

[zerodameaon]

Have you tried mining with your 290x? I'm thinking about getting 3 7950s.

If you are going to mine don't waste your time mining bitcoins. ASICs make that so unprofitable now, look into litecoins. The 290x should get only marginally better hash rate then the 7950s.

[S14DB]

Have you tried mining with your 290x? I'm thinking about getting 3 7950s.

Get the 7950's. R7's and 9's are awesome for games. They aren't much better for mining. Hash for dollar still goes to the 7950. Even at retail prices...

[Frank_Jaeger]

Get the 7950's. R7's and 9's are awesome for games. They aren't much better for mining. Hash for dollar still goes to the 7950. Even at retail prices...
Okay thanks! I'm hoping for some NewEgg deals on Black Friday / Cyber Monday.

If you are going to mine don't waste your time mining bitcoins. ASICs make that so unprofitable now, look into litecoins. The 290x should get only marginally better hash rate then the 7950s.
I started mining litecoins yesterday. My two 6850s are pulling a little over 620kh/s total. Still profitable, and I'm feeling out the whole process. I figure the worst case scenario is if I no longer have a viable altcoin to mine, at least I'll have a beast gaming rig.

[zerodameaon]

Litecoins are still profitable, and they are meant to be ASIC proof for a while so it should stay that way. My 560ti gets about 200kh/s, which makes it not so profitable compared to power use. Nvidia is the leader in gaming but it appears that they are lacking in the cryptocoin arena.

[BOROSUN]

more update:

been running single r9 card, because of the black screen of death. crossfire instantly black screen. so, I checked my 2nd card before I rma or refund. it ran fine.
WAQoiblBJwE


beta9.4 fixed supposed to fix the black screen. so far, I'm playing 5760xx1080 crossfire/silent mode with the beta elder scroll working flawlessly. I haven't tired uber mode or OC , if it crashes. maybe later.

[BOROSUN]

minor update.

13.12 WHQL was released. just finished clearing and installing the new driver. testing it now.

also switch to portrait mode and De-bezel my samsungs, since gaming in 5760x1080 sucks balls. 3240x1920 is the way to go.
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/51859DD6-8226-4598-9BED-346ABF090D76_zpsf1ns9d9p.jpg
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/E28DB2CE-FBC1-4888-837F-26C4C6241B94_zps6siv2kaz.jpg

going to water cool it soon. I have a feeling one of my sapphire card looks like this...
http://media.bestofmicro.com/radeon-r9-optimisation,1-2-409574-3.jpg
http://media.bestofmicro.com/disassemble-radeon-r9-290-thermal-compound,1-3-409575-22.jpg

Tuning Radeon R9 290X: Replace The Thermal Paste For More Efficiency - Take Off Your Top! Radeon R9 290X Gets Naked (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290x-thermal-paste-efficiency,3678.html)

[BossHogg]

damn I wish knew how to build that shit. That is cool as f*$%. I need a new gaming comp and am lost lol when it comes to specs and what not. I don't know my ass from my elbow when it comes to computers.

[Future240]

minor update.



going to water cool it soon. I have a feeling one of my sapphire card looks like this...


What kind of temps are you getting now?

[BOROSUN]

value 85c
min 35c
max 94c <---

the reference cards cooling just sucks.

the newer r9 cards has way better cooling

[Future240]

I'd heard they run hot. I was reading up to see if I wanted one but I could not deal with those kind of temps with a micro atx board. I don't have enough space to cool it properly.

[BOROSUN]

just the reference cards

you can see this OC edition asus r9 290x, runs cooler than the titan and 780ti under stress and idle...
ASUS Radeon R9-290X DirectCU II OC review - Graphics Card Temperatures (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_r9_290x_directcuii_oc_review,10.html)


i read a couple forums owners of watercooled r9 290x runs 50c under loads all day.

[S14DB]

i read a couple forums owners of watercooled r9 290x runs 50c under loads all day.
Anything WC should run at room temperature.

[Future240]

That ASUS cards seems great. I'm hoping they do the same thing for the R290.

I wonder how the temps are going to be on this card.
HIS Radeon R9 290X IceQ X2 Turbo Gets Listed (http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/his_radeon_r9_290x_iceq_x2_turbo_gets_listed.html)

[BOROSUN]

AMD Delays Battlefield 4 Mantle Patch (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mantle-battlefield-4,25560.html)

mantle bf4... now, I just gotta get my browser game launch update to work. i hate bf game launch.

[S14DB]

MSI Global R9 290X GAMING 4G (http://www.msi.com/product/vga/R9-290X-GAMING-4G.html#overview)

Drool...

[Frank_Jaeger]

Anyone running eyefinity?

[Future240]

I want to see some numbers on this.

Gigabyte R9 290X WindForce X3 OC edition arrives in lab (http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/gigabyte_r9_290x_windforce_x3_oc_edition_arrives_i n_lab.html)

[BOROSUN]

some amd news. well old news.

TressFX 2.0 to be released by AMD - Now with hair, fur and grass physics (http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/tressfx_2_to_be_released_by_amd_now_with_hairfur_a nd_grass_physics.html)

c2Lv-Ts9w9Y



waiting for my WC parts
and still waiting for mantle -_-
AMD Catalyst 14.1 Beta loaded with new features (http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/amd_catalyst_14_1_beta_loaded_with_new_features.ht ml)


I saw the a10 7850k at newegg. makes me want to build a ft03.
http://cdn.overclock.net/c/cd/900x900px-LL-cd595d13_FT03_w690C.jpeg

[irax]

http://cdn.overclock.net/c/cd/900x900px-LL-cd595d13_FT03_w690C.jpeg

what golden calf of a case is that ?

[BOROSUN]

silverstone ft03. they have a smaller version ft03 mini.

you can go all out like this.
http://cdn.overclock.net/8/8f/8f2e07b3_bouw41.jpeg

[BOROSUN]

OMFFFG what monster of a card!
MSI Radeon R9-290X Gaming OC review - Overclocking The AMD Radeon R9-290X (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_r9_290x_gaming_oc_review,28.html)

fack, I can't wait...still waiting for my xspc gpu block. its been out of stock. like forever.

[Future240]

739.99 on newegg right now. Coin miners...

[S14DB]

739.99 on newegg right now. Coin miners...
Free R7, 500gb HD, BF4 with purchase...

[Future240]

Free R7, 500gb HD, BF4 with purchase...

I saw BF4 but not all be other stuff.

[S14DB]

I saw BF4 but not all be other stuff.
Other cards are giving out R7 240/250's or 500GB HDs with purchase of a R9 290x. You know prices are crazy when they are giving away $100 cards with the purchase of a card.

[BOROSUN]

BF4 mantle

Test case 1: Low-end single-player
CPU/GPU: AMD A10-7850K (‘Kaveri’ APU), 4 cores @ 3.7 GHz
Settings: 720p MEDIUM settings.
OS: Windows 7 64-bit
Level: Singapore “Beach”
This area is heavy on the CPU as it is quite a lot of action going on, but the game is primarily GPU-bound both on DX and with Mantle but thanks to GPU optimizations with Mantle we get a good performance improvement.
Result: 26.6 ms/f -> 23.3 ms/f = 14% faster


Test case 2: Standard 64-player multiplayer
CPU: AMD FX-8350, 8 cores @ 4 GHz
GPU: AMD Radeon 7970 3 GB
Settings: 1080p ULTRA 1x MSAA
OS: Windows 8 64-bit
Level: Siege of Shanghai
Level was tested with 64 “pseudo players” that we have for our own internal testing that simulates heavy game workload that we have in multiplayer in order to get more deterministic results compared to full real multiplayer. 64 players on the large Battlefield levels is really demanding of the CPU so this test case is primarily CPU-bound.
Result: 18.87 ms/f -> 15.08 ms/f = 25.1% faster



Test case 3: High-end single-player with multiple GPUs
CPU: Intel Core i7-3970x Extreme, 12 logical cores @ 3.5 GHz
GPU: 2x AMD Radeon R9 290x 4 GB
Settings: 1080p ULTRA 4x MSAA
OS: Windows 8 64-bit
Level: South China Sea “Broken Flight Deck”
This single-player scene is heavy on both the CPU and GPU with lots of action going on. Test was done on the highest end Intel CPU on Windows 8, which is the fastest option before Mantle thanks to DirectX 11.1. Still this CPU is not fast enough to keep the 2 290x GPUs fed at 1080p on Ultra settings so we get a significant CPU performance bottleneck which results in major performance improvement when enabling Mantle.
Result: 13.24 ms/f -> = 8.38 ms/f = 58% faster

Mantle renderer now available in Battlefield 4 - News - Battlelog / Battlefield 4 (http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/news/view/bf4-mantle-live/)

[BOROSUN]

just installed 14.1 beta 1.6 mantle.

tries to play bf4....
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/125/3/2/when_psyduck_is_confused____by_ns_wen-d4yloc1.jpg
wtf once I load to the game, the comp freezes. I have to do a hard shut down.
its only this game too. well maybe Wasteland 2. but, that game is still on beta and badly optimized.

going to pick it up in the mourning. I got no time for this bs.

[BOROSUN]

tada...finally
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/D88F1785-19E4-42D6-B855-F5821E3458AC_zpsct11nwpx.jpg (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/media/D88F1785-19E4-42D6-B855-F5821E3458AC_zpsct11nwpx.jpg.html)
wc setup is all xspc using prolimatech pk3 grease and stock pads. re-used my noisy old fans.


ran ultra 3240x1920 planetside2 for 3 hrs
cpu max 61c low 17c
gpu max 52c low 31c
@ room temp 80f (26c) my wife turned on the heater.

running now MSI afterburner 1025/1276 going to increase 5mhz at a time.

[BOROSUN]

_N9dZhEC4as

kraken cooler mod. cheaper way to cool. the only problems are the vrms, needs good heatsinks and good air flow.

[Future240]

Damn those are low temps. What kind of FPS are you getting at that resolution?

[BOROSUN]

planetside 2 , im only getting 60fps @1050/1300. I wish it had mantle.

I'm trying to play bf4, the only mantle game I have. but, it keeps freezing on me. right on the movie scene. I can't actually play the game.

[S14DB]

planetside 2 , im only getting 60fps @1050/1300. I wish it had mantle.

I'm trying to play bf4, the only mantle game I have. but, it keeps freezing on me. right on the movie scene. I can't actually play the game.

I can go an hour before the memory buffer overloads and crashes the card.
With 13.12 and the new 14 beta drivers. Least with the beta drivers I have debugging so I can recover from the crash without BSODing the whole computer. Reading the error log it's an issue with BF4 and not the drivers. Found other reports of the same error. Scared to switch it to mantle as my friends all have had the micro stuttering issues.

This is really pissing me off. IF it wasn't for the Miners keeping ATI card prices so high I would probably have another card. Now I have two reasons not to invest in another one. I haven;t had an issue with a ATI GPU since I switched from Nvidia many years ago.

[BOROSUN]

should be around the corner. 25th or 27th.
1MWZXwo3jN8

[Future240]

This cannot bode well for Amd in the long run.

http://techreport.com/news/26046/how-about-a-radeon-r9-290x-for-900-bucks

[BOROSUN]

yep, looks like amd is going to screw themselves.

these price gouging disgust me. same on you lameegg.

[Future240]

yep, looks like amd is going to screw themselves.

these price gouging disgust me. same on you lameegg.

AMD is not screwing themselves though. Its the retailers. MSRP is still the same. Newegg, Amazon, etc are the ones jacking up the price. What is going to happen is that when the mining bubble bursts, people are going to flood the market with graphics cards and new stock will not sell.

[BOROSUN]

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/will_nvidia_steal_the_cryptocurrency_mining_crown_ from_amd.html

looks like NVidia will help some damage control with the price hikes since they like to overprice their cards, anyways.

amd could have just hashed out a mining card to begin with.

[BOROSUN]

Oxide Games
Star Swarm Stress Test - ©2013
C:\Users\JAB\Documents\Star Swarm\Output_14_03_14_2312.txt
Version 1.10
03/14/2014 23:12
================================================== =========

== Hardware Configuration =================================
GPU: AMD Radeon R9 200 Series
CPU: AuthenticAMD
AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor
Physical Cores: 3
Logical Cores: 6
Physical Memory: 17138692096
Allocatable Memory: 8796092891136
================================================== =========


== Configuration ==========================================
API: Mantle
Scenario: ScenarioFollow.csv
User Input: Disabled
Resolution: 1920x1080
Fullscreen: True
GameCore Update: 16.6 ms
Bloom Quality: High
PointLight Quality: High
ToneCurve Quality: High
Glare Overdraw: 16
Shading Samples: 64
Shade Quality: Mid
Deferred Contexts: Disabled
Temporal AA Duration: 16
Temporal AA Time Slice: 2
Detailed Frame Info: Off
================================================== =========


== Results ================================================
Test Duration: 360 Seconds
Total Frames: 18428

Average FPS: 51.18
Average Unit Count: 4372
Maximum Unit Count: 5564
Average Batches/MS: 890.77
Maximum Batches/MS: 5881.75
Average Batch Count: 20131
Maximum Batch Count: 113689
================================================== =========


star swarm mantle bench.

my 9590 died so it git replaced with a 8350. planning to retire this setup soon. new mobo x99 and haswell i'm looking to replace.

and this... 8gb on xfire @ 7680x1440 3 Korean OC 120hz monitors or asus rog swift
http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=news&action=file&id=6228
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/8gb_sapphire_radeon_r9_290x_toxic.html

[BOROSUN]

here's Direct3d
================================================== =========
Oxide Games
Star Swarm Stress Test - ©2013
C:\Users\JAB\Documents\Star Swarm\Output_14_03_14_2350.txt
Version 1.10
03/14/2014 23:50
================================================== =========

== Hardware Configuration =================================
GPU: AMD Radeon R9 200 Series
CPU: AuthenticAMD
AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor
Physical Cores: 3
Logical Cores: 6
Physical Memory: 17138692096
Allocatable Memory: 8796092891136
================================================== =========


== Configuration ==========================================
API: DirectX
Scenario: ScenarioFollow.csv
User Input: Disabled
Resolution: 1920x1080
Fullscreen: True
GameCore Update: 16.6 ms
Bloom Quality: High
PointLight Quality: High
ToneCurve Quality: High
Glare Overdraw: 16
Shading Samples: 64
Shade Quality: Mid
Deferred Contexts: Disabled
Temporal AA Duration: 16
Temporal AA Time Slice: 2
Detailed Frame Info: Off
================================================== =========


== Results ================================================
Test Duration: 360 Seconds
Total Frames: 11844

Average FPS: 32.89
Average Unit Count: 3950
Maximum Unit Count: 5469
Average Batches/MS: 494.21
Maximum Batches/MS: 923.07
Average Batch Count: 15739
Maximum Batch Count: 101147
================================================== =========

both runs were 4.3ghz and 1100/1350.
d3d was low as 3fps like a standstill motion picture.

mantel is pretty sweet. only if they were more games. but dx12 is going to crush it.

[BOROSUN]

yay I beat a titan and a 4770k

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/mar15PC_zps996d40d6.jpg (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/media/mar15PC_zps996d40d6.jpg.html)

[BOROSUN]

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1887054

improved my score 5131

4.5ghz
1200/1300

im getting a invalid driver error, it doesn't recognize 14.3 beta driver.

[BOROSUN]

what the fuck... 4224 stream processor !!! 264 texture unit!!! 96 rop!!!! and 7 ghz!!!

The colleagues over at WccfTech posted something about the next generation Radeon graphics cards. They dug up an old (what is claimed to be) roadmap which shows details about three GPUs, the R9 390X, R9 380X and R9 370X. There is no validation regarding the source material and their post is highly speculative. Then again .. rumors always start somewhere and props to them for retrieving that info.

Now in their news item posted they already claim themselves that all information is to be taken with a pinch of salt, which really is the proper way to address this information.

The source leak indicates future Pirate Islands GPU code names and some specs. Specs NEVER are final which makes me frown up-on the posted material, anyway here's what they are claiming:

--

According to these details all GPUs will be based on the TSMC 20nm Node and will be true Pirate Island cores, which is why nomenclature of the dies will be derivative in nature. Another thing mentioned is that all Pirate Island GPUs will have the DirectX 12 Hardware Feature Set. According to these details the R9 370X is slated for announcement/arrival sometime this July-August this year. The R9 370X will feature a ‘Treasure Island XTX’ core and supposedly has 1536 Stream-processors, 96 Texture Units and 48 ROPs on the uncut die. Of course this road-map precedes the report we got of TSMC having a little trouble with 20nm so I am not sure how valid the time frame is anymore.

Now according to the details, we will see the R9 390X before the R9 380X. The R9 390X will feature the ‘Bermuda XTX’ core and feature a staggeringly high number of SPs, ie. 4224. The Texture Unit count is 264 with 96 ROPs. It is slated to show up late 2014 around November or so. Once again keep in mind the TSMC comment above. Finally the R9 380X which will feature the ‘Fiji XTX’ core and the following die configuration: 3072 SPs, 192 Texture Units and 72 ROPs and should appear sometime early 2015. Now interestingly the R9 390X ‘Bermuda XTX’ GPU is slated to have 512 Bits of Memory Bandwidth while as the R9 380X is slated to have 384 Bits with the R9 370X coming last with 256 Bits. Now the road-map even hints at the clock speeds of AMD’s future GPUs but I think it is prudent to mention that all these tech specs at this point in time are about as solid as the wind. However let us continue, with the help of this table:

GPU Codename Core Stream Processors* Texture Units* ROPs* Core Clock* Memory Clock* Memory Bandwidth*


R9 370X Treasure Island Treasure Island XTX 1536 96 48 ~900Mhz ~5Ghz 256Bit

R9 380X Fiji Fiji XTX 3072 192 72 ~900Mhz ~6Ghz 384Bit

R9 390X Bermuda Bermuda XTX 4224 264 96 ~1000Mhz ~7Ghz 512Bit


http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/amd_pirate_islands_radeon_r9_300_series.html

[Future240]

Amd is on it with the GPU's

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/04/08/radeon-r9-295x2-review-amd-delivers-on-a-promise-with-exciting-liquid-cooled-gpu/2/

[BOROSUN]

sigh...

so, beastly.

I wonder if it has to do with beta 14.4. because it also beats 290x on crossfire.

cant beat a 8gb toxic on crossfire, though.

[Frank_Jaeger]

AMD is not screwing themselves though. Its the retailers. MSRP is still the same. Newegg, Amazon, etc are the ones jacking up the price. What is going to happen is that when the mining bubble bursts, people are going to flood the market with graphics cards and new stock will not sell.
And that's when you buy cheap hardware and start your own password recovery business. Or continue mining for the inevitable market ressurection.

In other news two of my 7970 mining cards are dead and the third might be. Had a power surge that finally took them out, I think. They've already more than paid themselves off. I hate to say it but I only gamed on the one set for all of 4 hours total.

[Future240]

And that's when you buy cheap hardware and start your own password recovery business. Or continue mining for the inevitable market ressurection.

In other news two of my 7970 mining cards are dead and the third might be. Had a power surge that finally took them out, I think. They've already more than paid themselves off. I hate to say it but I only gamed on the one set for all of 4 hours total.


How long did you have them for? I'd love to snap up a cheap 280x or 290x, but I've heard that mining is tough on cards. You may have only gamed 4 hours, but I know it would become my main machine for gaming.

[BOROSUN]

should had invested on a power conditioner.

im already seeing used 290x around $490.

[Frank_Jaeger]

How long did you have them for? I'd love to snap up a cheap 280x or 290x, but I've heard that mining is tough on cards. You may have only gamed 4 hours, but I know it would become my main machine for gaming.
Since Cyber Monday. It was a hard four months for them. They're still under warranty, only thing I'm really worried about is them not having replacement cards in stock. If / when I get replacement cards they'll be going to a better setup.

Mining's pretty terrible on cards, even if you have stock clocks / undervolt / keep temps down. Running them 24/7 at 100% load is different than running them under 100% for a couple hours every day (i.e. gaming). Shortens the lifespan considerably.

should had invested on a power conditioner.

im already seeing used 290x around $490.
I did. It wasn't enough apparently. The house's wiring is sketchier than most people's s-chassis. When you turn on the bathroom light the tv in the living room flickers. Etc.

[S14DB]

Need a AVR not just a conditioner. Just some capacitors can't keep that draw up. Need a battery to hold you through the dips.

I think the price dump is going to happen when the next great mining card comes out.

[Frank_Jaeger]

Expect cheap cards soon. Mining is about 1/5th-1/10th as profitable as it was. Also scrypt ASICs exist now (gridseed) which are borderline more cost appropriate than a GPU. They might be already, I haven't checked their prices lately.

I'll look into better power setups.

[Future240]

Prices are definetly coming down. Saw an msi R9 290X ref card for $380 on eBay.

[BOROSUN]

quad xfire @ttacks 4k

j_Z9lkP74Vg

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/unlocked/4-way-quad-crossfire-amd-r9-295x2-benchmarks-at-4k-idnum228/

so tempted to build a quad.

[Future240]

Those temps are great considering what a beast this card is. It would be a hell of a build in terms of price and performance. I'm curious to see how the non ref cards will be.

[BOROSUN]

290/X dropping price more since 970gtx is kicking its butt.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-lowers-radeon-r9-290-and-290x-pricing-with-25-percent.html

parallel xfire. my WC setup cant cool it under load. I'm hitting 70c.
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/1EA1D255-842B-432F-A5FA-15C922563E41_zpseqvmavwl.jpg (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/media/1EA1D255-842B-432F-A5FA-15C922563E41_zpseqvmavwl.jpg.html)
switching to another case so I can fit 2 of these 80mm thick 140 triple rads
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/C37821D6-08C8-4498-BBA8-777839131B7D_zpsplvrsimv.jpg (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/media/C37821D6-08C8-4498-BBA8-777839131B7D_zpsplvrsimv.jpg.html)


Also recent driver 14.9 update comparison meh.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/2749889/fs/2923259


on the otherside. recent mirco atx build devils canyon 4970k 16gb 2400 gpu r9 270 6gb. i'll get some fire strike bench for it, later.
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/126B1FB3-38A1-4502-ACCD-04617B578ED8_zpsnv9xrtw1.jpg (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/media/126B1FB3-38A1-4502-ACCD-04617B578ED8_zpsnv9xrtw1.jpg.html)
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/C31672BF-926C-416A-B08A-9884C8B880C0_zps7mw9babc.jpg (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/media/C31672BF-926C-416A-B08A-9884C8B880C0_zps7mw9babc.jpg.html)
overall the build was slight difficult because of the msi card. i should had waited for the 970gtx.

[vanish1]

overall the build was slight difficult because of the msi card. i should had waited for the 970gtx.

I am an AMD guy and seeing the kind of #s the 970 is pushing out for the amount of watts produced is wow, I dont think anyone could have seen that coming.

one of the few nvidia cards I would switch over to team green for

[BOROSUN]

not only that superclocked 970 are going at $340.

[vanish1]

lol yeah the hardocp and anandtech 970 articles are eye opening

[Frank_Jaeger]

I might sell my 7970s for a 970. I need something better for development. A single 7970 is struggling with Unreal Engine 4 and the Oculus Rift.

[BOROSUN]

I thought this was funny. almost similar system but, I had the higher OC.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/3207833/fs/2515483

[S14DB]

Dat R9 390x Doh.

[BOROSUN]

just found out newegg is selling the 8gb vapor 290x.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202129

kind of too late with its lower pricing too... 3xx is nearing with its rumored lower power consumption and HBM , its a must have for me.

[Future240]

You see the newest article on the 3xx?

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-radeon-r9-380x-performance-numbers-surface.html

With the 970/980 AMD has to bring this in at a low price point. I am hoping they undercut the 980.

[HyperTek]

i recently built a intel/ gtx 970 system
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10610606_10152643588008557_4529671838652551106_n.j pg?oh=e5976d51637bd2c31bf1246dd8cc6c67&oe=5508C808&__gda__=1426165022_e9805c89a0bcafcfc2760c6765419ac 7
https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10801747_10152663697928557_5775935367125307693_n.j pg?oh=1a1f7ce6268dabe6e4015d8a5c0ac1d3&oe=5503A46C

[BOROSUN]

yea, I saw that bench. I just wish they made a single card that can man-handle 4k at ultra specs.

http://www.lgblog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/34UC97-header-597x360.png
itching to buy it. soo bad.

dope build hype. but, your in the wrong side of town. this is the better red than dead area.
did you get the 4970k?

[HyperTek]

i went with i5 4690k . got it overclocked at 4.7ghz now. Itching to get an Ek waterblock for my gtx 970, but don't know if its worth it to watercool. I watercooled my old video cards in the past for more overclocking but the 970 already is a beast.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/ek-fc970-gtx-tf5-full-cover-waterblock-nickel-acetal.html

[BOROSUN]

anyone tried the omega driver vrs? my next up res is 5200x3200 (from 3240x1920) and just kills my system. what happened to 4k? lol.
i'll add a custom 4k resolution specs on CRU later. I just thought of that now.

tried in on both redux metros, everything on very high/no AA. walking around is okay shutters a bit but, when action hits. it's too laggy for me. can't tell the difference.

for nba2k15, everything on very high except the crowd (I think). when im playing on the court, its fine. but, when the cut screen shows up super lag mode. details looks a lot smoother.

that's all the games I've tried it .

some bench
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_14.12_Performance/5.html

[Future240]

Not yet. I've seen so many issues with these drivers. I'm holding off until AMD fixes it.

[BOROSUN]

Hw0pNGjwwc0

thanks to mantle. it pushed dx12 development out. hahahaha go AMD.

[Future240]

That is pretty legit. I'm excited to see what this technology can produce. Not mention the 390X is on the horizon. I feel like this could be AMD's year.

[vanish1]

That is pretty legit. I'm excited to see what this technology can produce. Not mention the 390X is on the horizon. I feel like this could be AMD's year.

I dont think it will be AMDs year ever again.


Nvidia having a 75% GPU market share inching closer and closer to the same parallel AMD faces w/ Intel in the CPU market.


dont get me wrong I heart AMD cards, its all I ever have used. I am not sure my next gen will be AMD though, it is hard to argue w the watt/performance of what Maxwell is doing

[BOROSUN]

I wished amd could had gone for the kill when nvdia was exposed with its memorygate. lol that, I also want to build a new rig.

more freesync monitor will be available and will be more affordable. pretty much stifle nvdia g-sync plans to help drive prices of monitors to titan levels. hah.

[vanish1]

I wished amd could had gone for the kill when nvdia was exposed with its memorygate. lol that, I also want to build a new rig.

more freesync monitor will be available and will be more affordable. pretty much stifle nvdia g-sync plans to help drive prices of monitors to titan levels. hah.

no

AMD did go for the kill when nvidia had its issues w/ the gtx970, there were all kinds of advertisements and promos pushed out using that issue to try to pull people over to team red.

but its a drop in the bucket, amd is farrrrrrrr away from having any kind of majority market share.


and your analysis of the monitor market based off freesynch/gsync is far from correct.

neither of those techs will ever drive up the market price of monitors, there are too many korean IPS monitors that can OC for cheap saturating the marketplace combined w the major monitor companies creating all kinds of competition.

[BOROSUN]

if they did, they would had dropped the 390x bomb. amd is just basically just waiting for old gen to dry up a bit on stock.

[BOROSUN]

no


neither of those techs will ever drive up the market price of monitors, there are too many korean IPS monitors that can OC for cheap saturating the marketplace combined w the major monitor companies creating all kinds of competition.


who cares about krm 1440 ips. imagine if freesync wasn't there to cock block g-sync. they would have tried to standardized on monitors. every top end monitor will have g-sync and pay moar.

[vanish1]

if they did, they would had dropped the 390x bomb. amd is just basically just waiting for old gen to dry up a bit on stock.

You do realize that except for the 290x (Hawaii) AMD has been using the same GPU chips (Tahiti) for over four years now. Stock is not an issue especially considering how hard the amd gpu market cooled after ASIC machines became prevalent with mining.

seriously, AMD only has 25% of the video card market share, its really not as close of a competition as you think.

who cares about krm 1440 ips. imagine if freesync wasn't there to cock block g-sync. they would have tried to standardized on monitors. every top end monitor will have g-sync and pay moar.

if nobody cared about the influx of korean ips panels then explain why monoprice decided to use them as rebrands for their monitor lineup? Ever seen how many were sold initially thru ebay??

or why did newegg start stocking them as well??? Ever been to overlord computers?

The enthusiast/gaming crowd wants three things; resolution, picture quality, and high hz rate.

those three things come first, a technology that aids in frame stutter is secondary at best.

and to further that point, take a look what the recent dx12, vulkan, opengl news has done to AMD's baby Mantle, it will be renamed and developed by Khronos

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9036/amd-lays-out-future-of-mantle-changing-direction-in-face-of-dx12-and-glnext

The computer industry is constantly up and down, what is relevant one day can turn into something completely the next.

and then on the flip side of the fence you have Nvidia releasing physx source code
https://developer.nvidia.com/content/latest-physx-source-code-now-available-free-github

[BOROSUN]

huh??? stock is a issue. there would be overstock of older gen 28nm gpu not just the tahiti. it's just going to sit, if they push new gen out tonga, Trinidad, Granada, and Fiji.


imo no one cares. got rid of my qnix. I rocked 3 custom 120hz samys instead due to smaller bezels.

that link youre saying mantle paved the way for dx12? hah go amd.

[vanish1]

huh??? stock is a issue. there would be overstock of older gen 28nm gpu not just the tahiti. it's just going to sit, if they push new gen out tonga, Trinidad, Granada, and Fiji.

youre gonna have to be more specific bc I am lost on what you are trying to say.

imo no one cares. got rid of my qnix. I rocked 3 custom 120hz samys instead due to smaller bezels.

that link youre saying mantle paved the way for dx12? hah go amd.

dx12 is microsoft. That article doesnt really point out the whole picture w/ mantle

amd pushed mantle off to khronos to use for their vulkan api, amd has contracts still w/ companies to provide mantle support over the next year or so but after that it remains to be seen what happens w/ it.

in the hands of khronos it will become an open standard that will help w/ performance for older gaming standards
http://www.overclock.net/t/1544720/extremetech-amd-s-mantle-powers-new-vulkan-api-vr-efforts

[BOROSUN]

amd pretty much said mantle is probably going to phase out. it does the same thing as dx12. mantle pretty much paved the way and pushed out dx12.

Although AMD has had unexpected success with developers adopting Mantle, it was unlikely to become a standard without the support of its chief competitor Nvidia. When Microsoft announced DirectX 12, which adopted features of Mantle, AMD's API looked to be a technological dead end
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2894036/mantle-is-a-vulkan-amds-dead-graphics-api-rises-from-the-ashes-as-opengls-successor.html

The future of AMD's Mantle API is not clear, but to be frank it may have already served it's purpose. The development of DirectX 12 and Vulcan have undoubtedly been heavily influenced by Mantle, both have focused on the main inefficiencies of OpenGL and DirectX 11 which Mantle had addressed, so now is maybe the time for AMD to back away from the API game.
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/amd_mantle_may_be_dead/1

DX12’s Threading Model Resembles that of AMD’s API, Mantle
http://wccftech.com/dx12-revealed-compared-dx11/

so, you can thanks amd. now we can have dx12 for free.

[vanish1]

ok??? not really sure what point youre trying to make but sure.

[BOROSUN]

its all about leading the way bro. ahah go amd!


also
rumor flying around is 390x is looking like the top card for this year.

[S14DB]

Vulkan seems to be using Mantle in it's demo's.

http://i.imgur.com/1xzSMMU.png

[BOROSUN]

another great news

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/microsoft-confirms-directx-12-mix-amd-and-nvidia-multi-gpus.html

It's not exactly new news, but Microsoft actually confirms it at this stage. Microsoft technical support states that DirectX 12 will support “multi-GPU configurations between Nvidia and AMD.” Something we call Asynchronous Multi-GPU Capabilities.

This is shown on a screenshot published over at LinusTechTips. No requirements or further details were listed though. With such a setup you could mix Nvidia and AMD cards in tandem to render your games. There is a massive issue though. Lots of the optimization work for the spreading of workloads is left to the developers – the game studios. The same went for older APIs, though, and DirectX 12 is intended to be much friendlier.F frame buffers (GPU memory) won't necessarily need to be mirrored anymore. In older APIs, in order to benefit from multiple GPUs, you'd have the two work together, each one rendering an alternate frame (AFR). This required both to have all of the texture and geometry data in their frame buffers, meaning that despite having two cards with 4 GB of memory, you'd still only have a 4 GB frame buffer.




Microsoft developers stated the upcoming DirectX 12 API could deliver an up-to 20 percent higher frame rate in games and a decrease in CPU utilization as well.


so, dope! hopefully NVidia doesn't cock block it.

[Future240]

^An r9 290 and a 970 would be a deadly combo. I just can't see Nvidia allowing it.

[BOROSUN]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/6ba10645b02514aa453922609985ffac/tumblr_inline_n6xirjzv5X1qirn6x.gif
RIP ref.cf290x....still had so much gaming life left too. since dx12 games still haven't made its way.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/38627654-AC0A-4C7B-B411-7B40CF362287_zpscgmtubk0.jpg
nSz16ngdsG0


already have a new matx build 4790k/armored gryphon with fury x on the way. a new case thermaltake core x2.1. no open custom loop this time. I still have the behemoth core x9 case for zen 2016/2017 build.
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/2907FE6A-78F0-4839-902A-D6EF3CA672CD_zpsrymstwtf.jpg (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/media/2907FE6A-78F0-4839-902A-D6EF3CA672CD_zpsrymstwtf.jpg.html)

will have to get the fury x2 when its released and shop for a Korean 4k ips monitor.

anyways, 300 and fury series have dropped their price. go red!

[BOROSUN]

some overclocking with sapphire trixx.

firestrike extreme

stock 4790k/ furyx 1075/525 no voltage. I can oc w/o touching voltage and running stable @ 1150/525. @ 1160 I got artifacts. haven't really push memory beyond at 25+mhz.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9721273?


stock 4790k/ 1175/525 w/ +36voltage stable. feels like I could oc more. maybe later.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9721485?


http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/B44663C6-6CFA-481B-9CA7-FDDE6E473FFE_zpsmct0pur6.jpg (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/media/B44663C6-6CFA-481B-9CA7-FDDE6E473FFE_zpsmct0pur6.jpg.html)

also got the Korean VA panel 4k monitor.
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/18F7A206-1631-45D6-A729-AC3356E45399_zps8kihfoun.jpg (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/media/18F7A206-1631-45D6-A729-AC3356E45399_zps8kihfoun.jpg.html)

[theronin]

I need help. My rig is dead and I need to play Overwatch on PC. Looking to piece a rig together for under 1k..... is that possible?

[BOROSUN]

very very possible. just re-use that's not broken like psu, memory, hd, case etc.

look at the game requirement. its not that demanding.

Minimum (targeting 30fps):
•Operating system: Windows Vista/7/ 8/10 64-bit (latest Service Pack)
•Processor: Intel Core i3 or AMD Phenom X3 865
•Video: Nvidia GeForce GTX 460, ATI Radeon HD 4850, or Intel HD Graphics 4400
•Memory: 768 MB VRAM, 4 GB System RAM
•Storage: 7200 RPM with 5 GB available HD space

Recommended (targeting 60fps on Medium settings):
•Operating system: Windows Vista/7/ 8/10 64-bit (latest Service Pack)
•Processor: Intel Core i5 or AMD Phenom II X3, 2.8 GHz
•Video: Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 or ATI Radeon HD 7950
•Memory: 2 GB VRAM, 6 GB System RAM
•Storage: 7200 RPM with 5 GB available HD space

check this good gamer build and under 1k. http://pcpartpicker.com/b/NmsJ7P

[Future240]

What happened to the 290x's?

[BOROSUN]

one day I was I cleaning it, redo my hoses and flush w/ new pre-mix. put it all back together and screen wouldn't turn on after boot up. tested each card did the same thing.
but, I might have to recheck it again. or maybe I just wanted a new rig. heh

soo, tempted right now to buy another furyx. cause a single furyx struggles with 3840x2160. what current single card doesn't?

maybe this?
http://wccftech.com/amd-greenland-14nm-production-q2-2016/

[Future240]

Ah the eternal debate. Buy it now or wait for the next one to come out.


I'm holding my excitement. I was so ready for the fury series then disappointed when the benchmark hit. It is a great card, but I guess I was expecting more. I was wanting it to blow the 980Ti out of the water. I figured it would be below the r9 295x2 but above the 980TI.


I really really really hope these new Zen processors and the new GPU's win back some much needed market share for AMD.

[BOROSUN]

it's really do to the lack of dx12 and I believe they limited Fiji/hbm1 to only 4gb. also it came way too late.

AMD’s own illustrations show eight individual HBM cubes stacked on the same interposer as the processor. In Nvidia’s Pascal test vehicle we can also see that there’s still room left even with a large GPU to add at least four more memory cubes. So the area of the interposer is certainly not a technical limitation.

AMD APUs Carrizo APU Stacked MemoryThe technical limitation would have to lie somewhere else. As we’ve discussed above, each 1GB cube of HBM delivers 128GB/S of bandwidth through a 1024bit wide interface. So AMD would need to design Fiji XT with a 8192bit memory interface to leverage the bandwidth of 8 HBM cubes. The issue here believe it or not is that 8GB of HBM equate to 1 Terabyte of bandwidth. And for a GPU like Fiji XT with 4096 stream processors half of that bandwidth would go to waste. So from a logical standpoint it would make no sense for AMD to design a GPU that can’t utilize more than half of the available bandwidth.


http://wccftech.com/fiji-xt-limited-4gb-memory/

same level as the 1tb the rumor bandwidth spec of arctic islands.



but, i'll be doing the same thing. if zen and 400 series blows the competition. then i'll have a new home for it w/ this....

http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/10/10-1-2015-4-26-27-pm-100618840-large.png

i'll sell my core x9 case. it's just way too big.

[Future240]

Agreed. If the Fury series would have dropped before the 980ti we would have all been blown away. Now its like meh.


I need Zen to equal at least 4690K single core performance for preferable cheaper. I want zen to do to the CPU market what the 290x and 970 did for the GPU market.


That is a balling ass case. I'm much simpler. I have a Fractal Design R4 for my eventual big build and a Corsair Carbide 100r for a M-ATX build.

[BOROSUN]

did some late night ashes of the singularity benchmark. 4xmaa at heavy got more fps
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/2015-12-27%202_zps2htttry0.png (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/media/2015-12-27%202_zps2htttry0.png.html)
4xmaa at heavy got more fps then maa off. weird.

[Future240]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10446/the-amd-radeon-rx-480-preview


I see one of these in my future soon.

[lunchmeat]

I watched a couple of reviews for the 480 this morning. Not bad bang for the buck.

[BOROSUN]

me too...
waiting for the AIB with 8pins and better cooling. the reference coolers are really crappy.

[lunchmeat]

I think ek is already working on a water block for the reference cards.

[BOROSUN]

http://videocardz.com/61794/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-detailed-some-more

sapphire's AIB...480 nitro
http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/07/SAPPHIRE-Radeon-RX-480-NITRO-7.jpg
most important to me feature is the front 8pin connection. for those who have the corsair air 240 its a savior.

480 has shown to beat nano at some benches. newer games and drivers will probably walk all over it as it matures.

[Future240]

As long as the partner cards keep the price down I am looking to get two of these.

[lunchmeat]

What's the deal with the reported over wattage on the 480s? Seen some articles saying it pulled as much 190w, 95w over the pcie slots.
Even though I've been in IT for 18 years, I'll admit I haven't been keeping up with hardware. Hell, last pc I built was back in 2009. I'm still using it.

[BOROSUN]

from my understanding it was only a minor problem (which gave fuel to NVidia fanboys)... tomshardware recorded some split second spikes which was occurring high draw loads. the draw from the 6pin was exceeding its TDP but is not a real problem due to psu side can handle a butt load of watts. the only main concern was, exceeding pcie mobo on stock 480 setting. the draw OCed especially was higher. but, most modern mobo will hard shut down if it does hit those current safety line margins.

it was really blown out of proportion and confusion, from tomshardware and when one guy reported trashed his ancient crappy mobo with his crappy psu / ex780 NVidia user. it was really an isolated incident, for all we know the dude could have been a NVidia infiltrator synth spreading lies. but, there's a ton of rx480 users that don't have that problem. plus amd already is working on a fix.

I'm still planning to buy AIB 480 card. maybe buy 2 and overclock the hellout of it. then give it to my son when zen & 490 comes out.

[lunchmeat]

Figures. Can't wait to see what Zen can do. Haven't done an all amd build in a long time.

[Future240]

I just hope Zen is not another bulldozer.....

[Frank_Jaeger]

I just hope Zen is not another bulldozer.....
It will be. I have sock in AMD but it was bought out of desperation than anything else.

Still rockin' the 2500k from that letdown and expect more of the same from Zen.

[BOROSUN]

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-undervolting-performance_183699

weird stuff. also there's a guy OC hit 1500 on the 480 but wasn't scaling on firestrike benchmark.

[Future240]

More weird news


http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/early-batches-of-radeon-rx-480-4gb-cards-actually-do-have-8gb-memory.html




I am curious to see how the 1060 measures up to the 480. Rumors say it might perform like a 980. I would hate to see AMD lose to Nvida in the low end market to. AMD needs to come with some heavy hitters. I am tired of seeing benchmarks where it is


GTX
GTX
GTX
Amd
GTX
GTX
Amd
Amd

[BOROSUN]

techpowerup verified you can flash bios to unlock the extra 4gb.
I wish these were ddr5x.

[Future240]

I wish these were ddr5x.



That is what I did not get. I am guessing cost, but if these card could have had dd5x like the 1080, it would have been a KILLER card.

[BOROSUN]

lol yeah looks like 490 is ddr5 also. if this little info leak is legit.

http://videocardz.com/61897/amd-radeon-rx-400-news-polaris-bios-editor-sapphire-rx-400-series


1080 just powers thru anything even on dx12 with its crappy preemption.

[Future240]

If the 490 Keeps ddr5 as well, then makes me wonder about the performance. looking at benchmarks the 390x peforms 15-25 frames above the 380x.


http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-sc-superclocked-gaming-review,20.html


I wonder if the 490 will be the same. The 380x msrp was 239, the 390x was 429 (I am using the X verisions since no 490x's have been confirmed).


If they keep similar pricing the 490 would have to be a killer card to compete with the non ref 1070 at 379. It would have to either undercut the price and be within performance, rival the 1080 for cheaper, or sit between the 1070 and 1080 in terms of price and performance.

[BOROSUN]

I'm guessing around $340 or +$10-20-ish reference since its ddr5. hopefully it will perform 15-25fps over 480.
or can be that rumor dual Polaris 10 ranging around $400-450+ish to $500-ish.

anyways, fuck all this guessing shit. I wonder if amd will panic when 1060 schools them @ $250.

[BOROSUN]

http://wccftech.com/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-pc-patch-dx12-multi-gpu-async-compute-vsync/

best news ive heard in a while. multi-gpu and ACE.

[Future240]

Now we need new benchmarks. I hope more developers support multi gpu. Xfire 490's ( not a typo) is likely to be killer.

[BOROSUN]

http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2016/07/10100531222l.jpg
rotr
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/rise_of_the_tomb_raider_directx_12_performance_upd ate/4

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=news&action=file&id=15695
doom vulkan
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/new-patch-brings-vulkan-support-to-doom.html

[BOROSUN]

http://i.imgur.com/MXAuIga.gif
Lol

[Future240]

^^Yea we wish the 480 did that to the 1070/980ti




The vulkan results are outstanding. I really hope more developers adopt this api.

[BOROSUN]

what have I done.
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/ADF3BBC6-2B7F-4E35-86D5-47869F9E5A62_zpsp7di9afm.jpg (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/media/ADF3BBC6-2B7F-4E35-86D5-47869F9E5A62_zpsp7di9afm.jpg.html)
I pull the trigger right before I heard the 490 vega rumor.

this all amd's doing. shame.

[Future240]

Say it ain't so!!!!



Real talk though, I don't blame you.

[BOROSUN]

I just did a firestrike Ultra bench.
barely touched it. bumped to a ez stable 2ghz.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14204428?


490 vega hbm2 is going to kick this ass though.

[Future240]

We hope. I was expecting the 480 to be around the 1060 and we saw how that went.

[BOROSUN]

on a proper dx12/vulkan it does beat it. also one thing I notice about Polaris is... although, limited on frequency oc it scales better then a oc 2ghz 1060.

hopefully, hbm2 and vega will scale better then Polaris. like off the charts scaling.


on other amd news...seems like positive news for zen.
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now just waiting for the price.

[Future240]

Yes true it beats it on dX12 when utilized properly but that is a gamble on AMD that developers will leverage DX12 and vulkan. On opengl and DX11 the rx480 gets trounced regularly by the 1060. If it could have matched the 1060 in performance on DX11 and Opengl It would have been a no brainer.


I am waiting with a cautious enthusiasm on Zen. The last time I got hyped by an AMD cpu release was Bulldozer and we all know how that went.

[BOROSUN]

a little hype train for red rebellion
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I believe this will be the 4k killer card we or I've been seeking for. with hbm it scaled nicely with 4k although only had 4gb+old gen arc. 1080 couldn't do it, titan x pascal still couldn't do it.

HBM2 or bust.

[BOROSUN]

1mHrGi9CfN8
dx11 480 > 1060.
its just the beginning of a long battle.

[Future240]

At work so can't see the vid. but the new deus ex game has the 480 beating the 1060 at all resolutions.

[BOROSUN]

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/deus_ex_mankind_divided_pc_graphics_performance_be nchmark_review,9.html
http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=25456
http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=25457
http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=25458

lol
why cant 3dmark get it right? oh yeah no parallel async and high on pre-crap-m-tion aka fake async.

[Future240]

I saw that. I was shocked. I didn't think dx12 would be that huge of am improvement. Less hope that trend continues.

[BOROSUN]

hopefully , this is just the beginning. as devs are tweak and play with parallelism/multithread task. its going to be more and more efficient.

[BOROSUN]

aIbSeMcsOqA

FVb25eomcrI

I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. I notice .my 1080 doesn't fully render texture on the sides especially on wide fov. until it hits a certain centered/central peripheral? maybe its a gradient technique just to squeeze more fps.

[HyperTek]

can we rename this to PC gamer thread? =P

i recently went from gtx 970 to 1070
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14224842_10154144965723557_5089646990694073088_n.j pg?oh=41d8c0b993fcd5e64a643acfe6d0dc64&oe=58709FC5
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14355718_10154157359998557_3327610347979809513_n.j pg?oh=de9fa2d984b3d06ab2be09c18c7cf664&oe=5870F9BC

also bought a GT Omega Art racing cockpit, thrustmaster t500rs, some goodies for it too, and an oculus rift
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14233126_10154144690203557_2939156318539668323_n.j pg?oh=f73cc8b00b17000fb7219fef236f4095&oe=587037D3

btw my msi gtx 970 is for sale $150 +shipping, still like new with original box etc

[BOROSUN]

dope.

btw did you get that $30 3.5gb claim from NVidia?

[HyperTek]

nah i should look at filing that

[Frank_Jaeger]

^^Yea we wish the 480 did that to the 1070/980ti




The vulkan results are outstanding. I really hope more developers adopt this api.
Vulkan is tedious. I might refit my game with Vulkan down the road, right now it's running on OpenGL 3.3.

[Future240]

can we rename this to PC gamer thread? =P

i recently went from gtx 970 to 1070





also bought a GT Omega Art racing cockpit, thrustmaster t500rs, some goodies for it too, and an oculus rift



btw my msi gtx 970 is for sale $150 +shipping, still like new with original box etc


That 970 is hella tempting. I would love an upgrade from my 7950.

Vulkan is tedious. I might refit my game with Vulkan down the road, right now it's running on OpenGL 3.3.


I've heard that, vulkan is harder to code for than ogengl. What game do you have?

[lunchmeat]

Hell, I'm still running a gtx 260.

[BOROSUN]

how do I change the thread title?



how's the rift so far? I might get the osvr.

[Future240]

how do I change the thread title?



how's the rift so far? I might get the osvr.



I have to do it. What do you want it changed to?

[Frank_Jaeger]

I've heard that, vulkan is harder to code for than ogengl. What game do you have?
I'm working on a hacking game set in the 80s. Tentatively titled Hackerium.

I want to release for all mainstream PC operating systems (Windows, Linux, and OSX), so that means using cross-platform tech everywhere. OpenGL fits the bill. It's not a particularly demanding game so I don't see any benefit to sinking in time retrofitting a new graphics API at the moment.

how's the rift so far? I might get the osvr.
Last time I had my rift hooked up there was a lack of quality software made for it and an abundance of shovelware. Facebook started lifting mass data from my computer (16GB over a period of 2 weeks) so I scrubbed by PC of any Oculus related software and haven't used it since.

[BOROSUN]

I have to do it. What do you want it changed to?

something simple... Gaming PC Builds & Hardware.

[HyperTek]

how do I change the thread title?



how's the rift so far? I might get the osvr.

I hear bestbuys now stock them, so check em out.. I do have an issue with mine with HDMI disconnects ... its a common issue (look at youtube).. but i think i may have solved it by zip-tieing the cable that plugs into it.. originally there is no strain relief on it..
https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/42849/potential-solution-to-hdmi-disconnect/p1?new=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozHf28ZWggg

I should have dealt with customer service, but since i travel for work on weekdays, i jus didnt want to deal with all that shit.

But overall besides that, i like it. I dont play for hours unless i do some race nights.. Games where you rotate (like space sims, or flight sims) i get sick from (I do get motion sick in real life).... but for seated racing games, its no issue for me (Unless I reverse the car lol). but i can run assetto corsa for hours. Dirt Rally in the rift is amazing too.

Once they release the Rift Touch controllers, i think it will be better than the vive.. Only thing i see the vive having the edge in right now is the controllers and room scale.. but the rift should be able to do that once they release the controllers..

Added a sound blaster Z (i used to swear by separate sound cards being the best.. and i just never got around to tossing one in this rig).. and a crucial 1tb ssd (since i originally had a 240gb for my OS, and always kept my games on optical hard drives... figured its time to try SSD for games)
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14390774_10154196561093557_6982066451781489195_n.j pg?oh=c3574b9b9acb31ad24447475da035649&oe=5869B2DA

Decided to give Plasti-dip a try and spray my SSDs (removed the decals, so there goes the warranty)
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14516612_10154196561068557_5706591978649573210_n.j pg?oh=02268ea65f674c347da6ee65fdfac04c&oe=5863B353

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14516317_10154196561053557_3621639993327705355_n.j pg?oh=e797a61a5d32e432dd918540862d9d0c&oe=58AC96A5

Maybe someday I will swap to white tubing and that will be it. or try those rigid hard tubes and bend them.


Decided to ditch my 10+ year old logitech 5.1 speakers.. for a simplier 2.1 setup https://www.chanemusiccinema.com/m50w

[BOROSUN]

lol NVidia paswell
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-20-pascal-refresh-gpu-speculation/

cmon amd save us.

[Bushido]

nvidia 1070 vs 970/980? which would you buy?

specs of pc: i7 4790k, 32gb ram, 250gb ssd, 600w gold power supply

[BOROSUN]

if you really need a card now. ebay a 390x or 970.
I would get a 390x. it has a bit of head room with 8gb and dx12 ace.
970 is a dead-end card.

you should know also...rx490 will probably be at 1070 price range with the rumor 1080 performance.

[Future240]

^^^^oh I hope so. Amd would kill it if that could match a 1080 at 1070 pricing. Hell if they could match the 1070 and slightly cheaper i think they would have a win.

[BOROSUN]

well, makes sense. big vega11 will be taking over furyx price. to take on 4k aka the gpu crusher. they also have the dual vega10.

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=26024
lol titanxp

how the hell are we going to run 8k
https://www.monitornerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/03_575px.jpg

https://www.monitornerds.com/sharp-120hz-8k-monitor/

[HyperTek]

i sold my 970 for $150 =P

1070 seems like the bargain , you can get one from jet.com and use a coupon to knock it down some. just option for no-return etc to bring the price down even more.. (if you have issues, just RMA it). I went with MSI because I liked the color theme of keeping MSI in my system, but I read performance wise, that any of them are capable of the same overclocks. Which I am seeing, as I cant overclock mine that much more from the default clock of my card (but my card is already clocked higher than typical cards)..

Deus Ex Mankind Divided has been taking up my spare time on weekends (since i travel for work during weekdays).. Im one of those slow gamers who just enjoys the detail in games, spends the time just walking around rather than rushing through the missions lol

[HyperTek]

I see some people (mostly non- oculus rift owners) complaining, but we are finally gettting our Touch controllers for the rift in december, at $199 though.. (which puts it overall at the same cost as the Vive). But I dont mind, as i originally bought the rift as the cheaper alternative just for sit down sim racing (which it doesnt need controllers).

Some pretty badass games coming out for rift though
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Overrall, the future of VR being accepted by the masses, seems like it will be judged upon how well the Playstation4 handles it. I may also get the ps4 VR setup just to support it. But if it flops, it might hurt VR, who knows.. .still early in the VR world.

[BOROSUN]

still not sure if I want to spend money or time with the ps4 pro. I rather get new pc hardware.

I def want a cpu update. kabylake is released within the same time frame. if the 40% single core and 20% multithread performance bump over skylake lives up to the leaked bench. its going to be hard to resist.

or if amd release some info on zen and tops/matches top intelcpus. ill wait till next year.

[BOROSUN]

finally a good review of the lg 38

DTUCPX0w3u8

3840x1600
75hz ips freesync
too good

we need hdr though.

[enkei2k]

i sold my 970 for $150 =P




I bought an ASUS Geforce GTX970 Turbo last year...and just got an email the other day about a class action settlement...

https://www.gtx970settlement.com/Home.aspx

[Matej]

well, makes sense. big vega11 will be taking over furyx price. to take on 4k aka the gpu crusher. they also have the dual vega10.

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=26024
lol titanxp

Mafia III graphics are garbage, as is the rest of the game.

I am waiting on someone to release a high end passively cooled graphics card. Although my hopes are not high, so I may just have to rig something together when I decide to upgrade. I am one of those 0dB fanless PC weirdos.

[BOROSUN]

yeah 2k mafie3 quality control is pretty bad. optimization and bugs are every where. its like they didn't hire game testers at all.

anyways gow4 bench http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gears-of-war-4-pc-vga-graphics-performance-benchmark-review,1.html
http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=26059

[BOROSUN]

Alphacool has you covered with 1080gtx passive cooler
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/alphacool-eiswolf-gpx-pro-vga-coolers.html

[Future240]

Said fuck it and ordered a rx 470. I'm not balling like y'all lol.

[Bushido]

Ok so I just found out about GTX 1060, from my research its better than R9 380x for the same price...and is like $180 cheaper than GTX 1070... seems like the biggest downside is no SLI capability, so I couldn't add another card down the road if I wanted to. I'm not super into video games, I just want a solid video card that can handle 3D CAD programs and rendering.

[BOROSUN]

Said fuck it and ordered a rx 470. I'm not balling like y'all lol.

which one?



http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris-revisions-performance-per-watt/

vega 11/ rx 580?
8 gb hbm2!!!

[BOROSUN]

Ok so I just found out about GTX 1060, from my research its better than R9 380x for the same price...and is like $180 cheaper than GTX 1070... seems like the biggest downside is no SLI capability, so I couldn't add another card down the road if I wanted to. I'm not super into video games, I just want a solid video card that can handle 3D CAD programs and rendering.

I said 390x. theyre like under $200 @ ebay.


http://wccftech.com/battlefield-1-directx-12-benchmarks-amd-nvidia/


http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Battlefield-1-DirectX-12-1080p-Nvidia-AMD.png
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Battlefield-1-DirectX-12-1440p-Nvidia-AMD.png
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Battlefield-1-DirectX-12-4K-Nvidia-AMD.png

[Future240]

I got the xfx rs. Should be here Monday.

[BOROSUN]

just got doom. pretty good game so far. amazingly optimized and smooth.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/MANGOLIAN_IAN2/C83EC5F9-103F-4AAD-BF88-93257A1BC1CB_zpsi2mc5pni.jpg
got the cool looking collector figurine.

running ultra @ 4k. I couldn't see any fps difference with opengl and vulkan.
did a quick search for a bench.
http://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/N4FqJrLT5CoUGbW2hLLECE-650-80.png
yep. i'm actually getting 79-80 avg.

[Future240]

I know its not a ballin as 1080 but OMG DUDE. This 470 is leagues better than the 7950. 3dmark sky diver went from 12K to 21K and I have not even over clocked it yet.

[slider2828]

Man I just saw this thread pop up on title page. Man so many OG's here... Any Comp Overwatch players here?

[smoked240]

So I picked up this computer that's ancient but built? It's got an led counter with switches and shit. No clue what I got but any computer guru that could help me? Pm me please

[Mister.E]

So i was thinking of doing an i7/gtx 1070 build for gaming and some light video editing. I haven't owned a self-built PC in a while...since high school to be exact. Obviously I haven't followed the technology for quite some time. Through a little research i arrived at i7/1070 build. I may be a bit over my budget since I need peripherals and monitors, so i may cut it back to an i5/1070 setup just to game. Video making is just a hobby and not totally essential, though it would be nice to do. What are the limits of an i5 for video editing? Is 1080p/60 fine? I don't have super nice equipment so I won't be rendering 4k or anything like that.

Is there any technology coming out that I should wait for?

Any killer black friday/cyber monday deals that I should cash in on?

[BOROSUN]

I know its not a ballin as 1080 but OMG DUDE. This 470 is leagues better than the 7950. 3dmark sky diver went from 12K to 21K and I have not even over clocked it yet.

nice, xfx is great AIB choice . interested how much you can OC the 470. if you can hit 480 clocks that's even a better bargain.

gtx1080 will be hi-mid tier card next year. lost in the mix. lol. main reason was, I wanted to stay single card @ 4k. i'll be back on amd once they release vega.

[BOROSUN]

So i was thinking of doing an i7/gtx 1070 build for gaming and some light video editing. I haven't owned a self-built PC in a while...since high school to be exact. Obviously I haven't followed the technology for quite some time. Through a little research i arrived at i7/1070 build. I may be a bit over my budget since I need peripherals and monitors, so i may cut it back to an i5/1070 setup just to game. Video making is just a hobby and not totally essential, though it would be nice to do. What are the limits of an i5 for video editing? Is 1080p/60 fine? I don't have super nice equipment so I won't be rendering 4k or anything like that.

Is there any technology coming out that I should wait for?

Any killer black friday/cyber monday deals that I should cash in on?

if you can wait. wait a bit...January.

if you cant... 6700/6500k price will drop after kaby lake releases

[Future240]

nice, xfx is great AIB choice . interested how much you can OC the 470. if you can hit 480 clocks that's even a better bargain.

gtx1080 will be hi-mid tier card next year. lost in the mix. lol. main reason was, I wanted to stay single card @ 4k. i'll be back on amd once they release vega.

Yea XFX is great my 7950 came with clocks higher than most of the other cards.


I bought this to tide me over till vega. I'm house broke this year. Next year I will have money so vega needs to bring it.

[BOROSUN]

If you got flicking on your gtx1070
www.guru3d.com/news-story/manufacturers-roll-out-firmware-updates-for-geforce-gtx-1070-due-to-memory-issue.html

[BOROSUN]

BF1 is a joke.

gorgeous game but, gameplay sucks. hit reg is a big problem.

[Future240]

Mulitplayer or single? I enjoyed the beta a lot.

[BOROSUN]

I haven't play bf in a while so maybe I'm still adjusting my play style.

i have only finished one campaign. most of my time is multiplayer. lvl 35 already and I'm not a points guy. I'm a kdr whore. I always finish 100/25+-kd in planetside2. 30/10+- in bc / bf3/ insurgency.

my complaints...
-strafe speed is insane
-run speed is insane. very cod run and gun. a guy in a armor/flame suit shouldnt be able to chase me down after i had a head start.
-close quarters hipfire rifle or sr bullets just disappear.
-scope bullets disappear. after you see the tracer hit the target but no hit reg.
-no scoping reload. especially in prone.
-proning in certain areas will launch you like a rocket.
-no tank mines?
-NO HARDCORE. the only mode in play in bf.
-too many cheaters. i wish some times , i should had gotten ps4. the amount of banned ppl i see. the amount probably hiding.
-prone vs standing. you should never lose because youre in a fucking pod.
-the most powerful SR has no scope.
-I'm more accurate hipfiring a auto
-annoying horse saber melee distance hit reg is retarded.
-no counter melee.
-melee charge is unstoppable after using a shotty. i just smh. atleast implement leg dmg/slow down.

so many.

[BOROSUN]

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-1070-evga-cards-dying/
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-1070-EVGA-FTW-VRMs-Catching-Fire-1920x1080.jpg

[Mister.E]

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-1070-evga-cards-dying/

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-1070-EVGA-FTW-VRMs-Catching-Fire-1920x1080.jpg


I've been reading that in my quest to research a build. Apparently they will give you thermal pads to fix the issue, but I think I'm just going to go with an MSI card instead.

[BOROSUN]

these are nice...
http://media.bestofmicro.com/L/D/625441/gallery/Zotac-Magnus-ERX480_w_755.jpg

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/zotac-zbox-magnus-erx480-rx480,32966.html

[Future240]

No price, lame. I am guess 600-800ish maybe

[STR8 H8N]

buy my gaming chair

[robertw]

HTPC

CPU: i5 3570k
*GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 SC
Mobo: Asus Z77-A
Ram: 8GB Corsair Vengeance Low Profile DDR3 1600
PSU: Seasonic M12 520w
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
PSU: Seasonic M12 520w
Case: Coolermaster Elite 361 (needed a case to lay horizontally while still fitting an ATX mobo and full sized GPU)

Another 8gb of ram has been ordered.

http://i.imgur.com/I8WdN5eh.jpg

+

http://i.imgur.com/cU0DaD9h.jpg?1

+

http://i.imgur.com/Rg842Skh.jpg

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[BOROSUN]

dat wire management.

any games 3570k is bottlenecking?

[robertw]

any games 3570k is bottlenecking?

Not that I've noticed yet.

[greddy2die]

Nice, I love driving the JZX on AC. Transitions are so smooth with that car & well most of the 4 doors. I've been playing online more & more lately I just need to get a good gaming chair to get more comfortable.

[Future240]

Not that I've noticed yet.

I'm not surprised at that. Shoot, people are still rocking the 2500K with little issue.


I know its dreaming, but I really wish intel would make discrete gpu's. The gpu and cpu market needs some shaking up.

[robertw]

I'm not surprised at that. Shoot, people are still rocking the 2500K with little issue.


I know its dreaming, but I really wish intel would make discrete gpu's. The gpu and cpu market needs some shaking up.

Desktop cpu market has hugely stagnated. Like you said, not many games are bottle necking a 2500k lol. I have a 2500k w/ gtx 970 in my desktop, the cpu is clocked to 4.5ghz on air, but still, no real issues, or enough to warrant a huge system upgrade.

Only time I wish I went for an i7 is capturing game footage in VR gaming, encoding at a high bit rate the 3570k feels it. Also, rendering video in premiere the 2500k is ok, just a little slow, an i7 would be nice for that. But for gaming the i5's have been great so far, have to see how VR gaming progresses, maybe the 3570k will become the bottle neck.

Nice, I love driving the JZX on AC. Transitions are so smooth with that car & well most of the 4 doors. I've been playing online more & more lately I just need to get a good gaming chair to get more comfortable.

Thanks. This is the updated jzx100 from the titan mod pack, improved ackerman angle, less steering angle, and more rear grip. Feels a lot better.

[greddy2die]

Thanks. This is the updated jzx100 from the titan mod pack, improved ackerman angle, less steering angle, and more rear grip. Feels a lot better.

Yeah, I actually just got that one this past weekend, i had the old JZX tuned to my liking. Been messing with the ride height, camber etc for this one.

[Future240]

Desktop cpu market has hugely stagnated. Like you said, not many games are bottle necking a 2500k lol. I have a 2500k w/ gtx 970 in my desktop, the cpu is clocked to 4.5ghz on air, but still, no real issues, or enough to warrant a huge system upgrade.


I blame AMD for this. Intel is so far ahead they can release updates with minimal performance upgrades. I keep hoping Zen will fix this but I am burned by Bulldozer still so I am skeptical.

[BOROSUN]

cant put all the blame on amd. bulldozer was a huge gamble banking on software development to take advantage on multithread/core.

soft devs are lazy and had almost stagnant pace of development. amd even had to step up and create mantle. now, we got dx12/vulkan low lvl api. took a long ass time and still an infant.

I did wish they just had made a phenom 8 core instead. that was a good ass cpu.

[BOROSUN]

Desktop cpu market has hugely stagnated. Like you said, not many games are bottle necking a 2500k lol. I have a 2500k w/ gtx 970 in my desktop, the cpu is clocked to 4.5ghz on air, but still, no real issues, or enough to warrant a huge system upgrade.

Only time I wish I went for an i7 is capturing game footage in VR gaming, encoding at a high bit rate the 3570k feels it. Also, rendering video in premiere the 2500k is ok, just a little slow, an i7 would be nice for that. But for gaming the i5's have been great so far, have to see how VR gaming progresses, maybe the 3570k will become the bottle neck.



Thanks. This is the updated jzx100 from the titan mod pack, improved ackerman angle, less steering angle, and more rear grip. Feels a lot better.


I'm guessing it would bottleneck in high cpu demanding games especially in vr?

cpu intensive games I notice. currently playing... planetside 2 , ark survival, city skyline (big ass city), bf1 , arma3.. just a few.

[robertw]

I'm guessing it would bottleneck in high cpu demanding games especially in vr?

cpu intensive games I notice. currently playing... planetside 2 , ark survival, city skyline (big ass city), bf1 , arma3.. just a few.

I mostly play Assetto Corsa, Dirt Rally, Elite Dangerous, Pinball FX2 VR, and Chronos in VR, and I haven't noticed any hiccups with the 3570k. The EVGA GTX 970 SSC was struggling to run those games without asynchronous time warp kicking in from time to time even with settings turned down. With the EVGA GTX 1080 SC I'm able to super sample games in VR and run them at max settings. Super sampling is a big deal in VR, the visual fidelity improves significantly, complete game changer in Dirt Rally.

I also never had any issues with the 2500k in BF3, or the 3570k in BF4. I know games like GTAV are taxing on CPU's, so I take it the i5's might struggle with that if the density settings are turned way up.

[greddy2die]

I mostly play Assetto Corsa, Dirt Rally, Elite Dangerous, Pinball FX2 VR, and Chronos in VR, and I haven't noticed any hiccups with the 3570k.

How do you like Elite Dangerous? I actually just heard about that game this morning & looked it up. Looks pretty cool to me & I may get it. Especially since No Man's Sky was such a flop so far even though they are apparently working on a "big" update.

Been thinking about updating somethings to my PC too, built it back in 2011 or early 2012. I can't remember what graphics card I have off the top of my head, Nvidia Geforce something or another.
8gigs of ddr3 ram
Intel i5 2500 processor
Asus p8168-v pro gen 3 motherboard
Corsair HX750w power supply

I know i'm going to atleast give it more ram & upgrade my graphic's card. I want to do a good triple monitor setup.

[robertw]

How do you like Elite Dangerous? I actually just heard about that game this morning & looked it up. Looks pretty cool to me & I may get it. Especially since No Man's Sky was such a flop so far even though they are apparently working on a "big" update.



It's a great game if you enjoy running deliveries, and exploring the galaxy. It's a pretty hardcore space flight sim, and a HOTAS setup makes it more enjoyable. The new update is pretty huge, larger ships with crews, and planetary landings. ED is an involved game with a steep learning curve. Everything takes time.

[greddy2die]

so, eventually like I mentioned before i'd like to do some upgrades to my PC. I have the following part's in my current case.


Asus p8168-v pro gen 3 motherboard
8gigs of ddr3 ram
Intel i5 (http://www.brandsmartusa.com/product/207159/product.htm) 2500 processor
gefore gtx 570 graphics card
Corsair HX750w power supply

My eventual goal would be a nice triple monitor setup and MAYBE down the line an Oculus Rift or something for VR. I've been out of touch for years with PC hardware & no clue now a day's what would best be suited for my needs.

[Mister.E]

I've been out of touch for years with PC hardware & no clue now a day's what would best be suited for my needs.

SAME

I just started building a PC though and now have some parts on the way. I've been doing a lot of research lately and finally figured out what I'm going to go with. This thread may help you get an idea of where things fit in right about now:

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/523xme/19_pc_builds_in_100_increments/

[HyperTek]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMfFtdcBVlJ/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMfHlnOBnHA/

[greddy2die]

Nice, I've been thinking about picking up the Playseat Challenge because it can fold up & go in the closet when I'm finished. Kind of tight on space in my apartment.

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=205104&d=1432890523&thumb=1

[Future240]

so, eventually like I mentioned before i'd like to do some upgrades to my PC. I have the following part's in my current case.


Asus p8168-v pro gen 3 motherboard
8gigs of ddr3 ram
Intel i5 (http://www.brandsmartusa.com/product/207159/product.htm) 2500 processor
gefore gtx 570 graphics card
Corsair HX750w power supply

My eventual goal would be a nice triple monitor setup and MAYBE down the line an Oculus Rift or something for VR. I've been out of touch for years with PC hardware & no clue now a day's what would best be suited for my needs.


What's your budget?




Asus p8168-v pro gen 3 motherboard--fine
8gigs of ddr3 ram - add another 8gbs
Intel i5 (http://www.brandsmartusa.com/product/207159/product.htm) 2500 processor - fine though could slightly bottle neck a 1080
gefore gtx 570 graphics card--470-480/1060-1070*-1080 depending on budget
Corsair HX750w power supply--enough wattage but how hold? I had a 620w die at 6 years.

*The minimum I'd suggest for triple monitor.

[HyperTek]

i never had triple monitors.. but VR is the way to go for sim racing. The immersion is insane. but not many high quality vr games.. but i can spend countless hours sim racing.

[BOROSUN]

dang, that playseat challenge is expensive for a cheap folding chair.

[Mister.E]

That VR setup is wicked. I can't wait to get into that shit. Just curious what components make up that whole system that you were using?

[BOROSUN]

hoping this is true...$300 8core/16threads =win
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/54945/amd-zen-16-cpu-threads-intel-beating-perf-300/index.html

[Future240]

hoping this is true...$300 8core/16threads =win
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/54945/amd-zen-16-cpu-threads-intel-beating-perf-300/index.html



I'm taking this with HUGE grain of salt. Like boulder size.


Would be amazing if true.

[DJ PoW]

Here is my build from November 2015 last year. Picture was taken upon the PC being built. I wanted to strive for something that would look really good to look at.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/billedoc/20150911_210622_zpsigraqmc1.jpg

Core i7 6700k
16GB 3200Mhz Ram
500gb Samsung SSD
Gigabyte Gaming 7 motherboard
NZXT S340 Case
NZXT Kraken X61 Water Cooler

Not shown is my GTX 1080 but again this picture was taken when I first build the computer last year.

[Mister.E]

I'm so excited! I almost have everything I need to finish my build. More info coming later.

[mtechpenguin]

Recent chassis swap from the Enthoo Luxe full tower to the mid tower Enthoo Pro-M Acrylic.

Most hardware from 2014 and still running strong

https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5749/30894664762_a10e774f43_c.jpg

[BOROSUN]

can't even play bf1 right now. cause I need a newer driver with the new update.
while currently GeForce 375.86 WHQL driver is fucked with paswell memory issue droppage.


amd save me.

[robertw]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMfFtdcBVlJ/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMfHlnOBnHA/

Hell yeah. I randomly host a drift server, if you see it hop in. "Drifting: Superkamikazee". Sim racing / drifting is the VR killer app, for me.

gDgqTLodqwM

[Future240]

http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidias-latest-drivers-are-adversely-affecting-video-memory-speed/

[robertw]

http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidias-latest-drivers-are-adversely-affecting-video-memory-speed/

Thanks for the info. Glad I didn't update.

[BOROSUN]

Thanks for the info. Glad I didn't update.

I just updated. 375.95 - WHQL
http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/111032

[BOROSUN]

some more of the same news:
AMD Zen Summit Ridge Processors Rumored For 17th January Launch – Performance on Par With Core i7-6850K at $250-$300 US Pricing
http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-summit-ridge-17th-january-launch-rumor/


its got a actual date rumor!
also rumor 5ghz oc

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-zen-8-core-summit-ridge-to-launch-january-17th-2017.html

[Future240]

Must....not......board the hype train........

[BOROSUN]

Must....not......board the hype train........

choo choo:keke:

[Mister.E]

Son of a bitch. RMA time. *sigh*

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161120/f1b832e294599d24add9f145b896d64b.jpg

[BOROSUN]

lol. cant bend it back?

[Mister.E]

lol. cant bend it back?


Didn't even bother to try. Newegg already issued a shipping slip and RMA.

[BOROSUN]

Anyone ever used m.2 pcie adapters?

[Mister.E]

Anyone ever used m.2 pcie adapters?

Anyone have experience with m2 in general?. I have thought about acquiring one in the future to use as my OS drive.

[BOROSUN]

from what i was researching most m.2 slot are pcie 3.0 x4 but, m.2 cards will run full speed @ 2.0 x4 slots also. m.2 slot and m.2 cards will also differ so you have to do some looking up if it fits.
my matx z97 doesn't have any. m.2 pcie adapter seems to work the same without speed lost. I just lose a pcie slot and more uglier and bulk in the way of the gpu (if you have a window and anal about the clean look).

seeing sata/ssd 850 evo 1tb is still priced bit high. I might as well go m.2 with higher speed. also future proof if I want to transfer to zen.

more added info...these thing draw power and can get hot. so cooling/case flow is vital.

[Mister.E]

from what i was researching most m.2 slot are pcie 3.0 x4 but, m.2 cards will run full speed @ 2.0 x4 slots also. m.2 slot and m.2 cards will also differ so you have to do some looking up if it fits.
my matx z97 doesn't have any. m.2 pcie adapter seems to work the same without speed lost. I just lose a pcie slot and more uglier and bulk in the way of the gpu (if you have a window and anal about the clean look).

seeing sata/ssd 850 evo 1tb is still priced bit high. I might as well go m.2 with higher speed. also future proof if I want to transfer to zen.

more added info...these thing draw power and can get hot. so cooling/case flow is vital.



Thanks that's good to know. My mobo has support for two m.2 cards. I'll have to look more into this when I actually get the PC up and running.

[BOROSUN]

I spoke too soon. amazon dropped the sata 850 evo 1tb to $249. m.2 850 evo 1tb is also $249. from looking at the review evo m.2 and evo sata performance is almost identical.
the game changer m.2 960 pro 1tb is not release until next year jan.1st.

lots of pondering for me...

mean while...AMD Radeon RX 490 launching in December?
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-radeon-rx-490-launching-in-december.html
dec is around the block.

Zo-WzsdfCR0
nioce. would love to have a matx size

[Future240]

I hope this is not a dual gpu card. Not a lot of titles s upport sli and crossfire really well. Wish is a shame considering the benefits of vulkan and DX12 with multigpu.

[SoundEfx]

I hope this is not a dual gpu card. Not a lot of titles s upport sli and crossfire really well. Wish is a shame considering the benefits of vulkan and DX12 with multigpu.

Do you think that will change over time seeing that there is actual benefit now?

[Future240]

I had typed out a long post that got lost, so in short not at first. I think the market will shift towards single more powerful cards at first, then as DX12 gets older and more known and the power of single cards is at its max, then I think it will shift towards sli crossfire as the next step in power.

Right now everyone wants a 4k 60fps card. Every time a new card comes out that is the wonder. Well when displays can display 4k 144hz or triple 4k setups then i think the market will shift back towards dual cards.


edit: I based this on new games having horrible multi gpu performance. see Civ Vi for instance https://imgur.com/a/imVCH#bdtIQF4

[BOROSUN]

intel 7700k samples
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-sample-tested.html
disappointing compared to the rumors leaks. intel still with their old ways...marginal improvements and high price.

zen save us all.

[BOROSUN]

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-490-4k-spotted-benchmarks/
rumor bench lol.

i'm starting to thinking rx490 is a lottery Polaris with hbm2 with 4gb and 8gb version.

[Future240]

intel 7700k samples
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-sample-tested.html
disappointing compared to the rumors leaks. intel still with their old ways...marginal improvements and high price.

zen save us all.


This only makes me want to grab a used 6700K when some idiot "upgrades" to this cpu.


Zen needs to do to the cpu market what the 290 series did to the gpu market.

http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-490-4k-spotted-benchmarks/
rumor bench lol.

i'm starting to thinking rx490 is a lottery Polaris with hbm2 with 4gb and 8gb version.

I hope not. AMD NEEDS to match the 1070 in performance. Ideally, though not realistically AMD would release the 490 matching the 1070 then the 490X matching the 1080 and then for just because sakes release a Dual 490 card.


They should have been smarter altogether.


Should have been


490-1080
480-1070
470-1060
460-1050 ti


priced accordingly.

[BOROSUN]

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=news&action=file&id=17542
theyre saying this aots rx490 bench is on par with 1080 factory OC.

that seems a little weak for a 1080 competitor. since amd scales better in dx12. it must scale down in dx11. making closer to 1070. seeing 1070 can be seen around $399. amd has got to be aggressively lower $300-350... fair?

[Future240]

I never expected them to compete with the 1080. I always figured 1070 was the range. I am skeptical of AOTS benches. Remember the rx480 xfire vs the 1080?

[BOROSUN]

cf 480 @dx12 can probably run thru 1080 by now.

gEw3CaNSbUo
as usual amd driver updates increasing performance over time.

on the 8th relive driver is going to improve it even moar.

on the 13th new horizon event "zen". I'm also guessing new gpu unveil also?
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/new-horizon

[BOROSUN]

RElive review
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_Crimson_ReLive_Drivers/

rx480 nice update

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_Crimson_ReLive_Drivers/images/1920.jpg

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_Crimson_ReLive_Drivers/images/2560.jpg

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_Crimson_ReLive_Drivers/images/3840.jpg

[BOROSUN]

4DEfj2MRLtA

faster than a 6900k!!!

holly balls. get on the hype folks.

price wasn't even mentioned. hopefully price is $500 or under. get it right amd.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/steven-universe/images/d/d8/HYPE_FOR_SU.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150527224511

[lunchmeat]

Equal or better performance at half the price of a 6900k? That would be swift nut punch to Intel.
Can't wait for testers to get their hands on it.

[Future240]

4DEfj2MRLtA

faster than a 6900k!!!



* In cherry picked benchmarks


I am still skeptical. I need more benches.

[BOROSUN]

Did i mention it wasn't boosting and the 6900k was.
Sick

[Future240]

^ I watched the event too.


Remember the rx 480 release where AMD showed a chart of crossfire cards beating a 1080? Cool in that one game, except when it came out, the twin cards loss in 90% of other games that Xfire would even run it. This is my concern with these benches.


Now don't get me wrong. I am all about team Red. I want an AMD system. I'd love a Ryzen 6 core with an RX 490. So I hope this is true.

[silverarrow27]

I don't care how fast or great AMD cards have gotten, out of the three AMD machines I've had...all three always gave me driver issues. I can only remember the last graphics card which was the Radeon 5850. Gave it three tries and won't go back. Sticking with Intel.

[BOROSUN]

GPU...with NVidia drivers I usually wait for some sort of review cause when they suck they suck hard. as for amd I updated whatever what they put out and usually I had no issues with it. there's some that comes up but amd drivers has been on a roll with better performance scaling over time.


anyways,

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-zen-cpu-benchmarks-official/

SR7 8core Black Edition $499
SR7 8core $349
SR5 6core $249
SR3 4core $149

I like those prices.

the difference with rx480 and zen is live bench. that aots bench was a slide. lol