2005 military draft

[celerrime]

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg

[RBS14]

Oh Canada, Oh Canada!!!

[SimpleS14]

It says that crossing the border to Canada does not help...nor being a college student. I wonder how legit this source is....

[airsoft]

if its not .gov u can consider it biaas

[celerrime]

Looked a little werid to me, but thought I'd pass it along anyways. Sorry dudes

[bigJ86]

whack!! but fuck it if it comes down to it then i would go if they draft me..

[Salty_X]

I can't tell if this is real or not... pretty scary if it is though.
Ah well, I might be going to Dominica for a class next winter anyway, so I guess if they do this I just won't come back for a while...

[Bliss]

whack!! but fuck it if it comes down to it then i would go if they draft me..

u have another choice?

i really dont think there will be a draft. whoever is president will be fucked if there is. crazy ass public reaction.

[WilloW]

u have another choice?

i really dont think there will be a draft. whoever is president will be fucked if there is. crazy ass public reaction.

Yup^^, everyone is going to go ape-fucking-shit over it.

[rps13sh]

i welcome the draft. i got rejected by the marines when i tried to join because of my criminal records. i applied cause my friend told me they would clear my records when i join. WAS NOT TRUE. BS.

[Andrew Bohan]

sounds like a parts run is in order


to japan

[revat619]

Well, i've got asthma and bad eyes...seriously without contacts or glasses, i cant see for crap. I highly doubt that i'll be picked. That is if this even happens.

[phrozen]

no diploma=nomilitary... ahahah i guess this dosent concern me. but even then at the point when they draft i dont think they really care

[Shin_Kudo]

You know, I know of someone who is quite eligible for draft service, especially because he skipped out the last time the draft was on.... Here's a hint; he's quite famous.... :lol:

[Phlip]

I seriously doubt they'd draft someone who is othewise ineligible for military service... I was slick-talked into trying to join in 97, coming outta high school (and I'm still looking for that bish to slap her) and was denied entry for medical reasons and I'm glad I didn't go... Now I'm glad I didn't

[Replicant_S14]

if its not .gov u can consider it biaas

True enough.
It is a real bill though ---->read it and know shit (http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.163:)

Congress.org however serves it up with a little puffery. The draft board isn't filling positions in some clandestine effort. The terms are up, so they are replacing those people. It doesn't have anything to do with current events. Also, the only gov official mentioned is the much vilified Tom Ridge which is fine but the bills sponsors are all from the more liberal side of the isle.

Aside from that, IMO it isn't needed and I doubt it's gonna happen.

If you guys are interested in this stuff beyond the usual rhetoric I recommend checking out Project Vote Smart (http://www.vote-smart.org/index.htm) . You can enter your zip code and find out who represents you and how to contact them. Also, it has voting records and a lot of other stuff that matters a lot more than what get's "said".
Factcheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/default.aspx) is also usefull and seems to be pretty even handed.

[aznpoopy]

someone correct me if i'm wrong but i thought there is a draft proposal almost every year... its one of those things that keeps popping up.

anyway i wouldn't worry. even if you were drafted, as long as you have some good skills they'll put you in a technical position... not everyone in the army is a footsoldier.

[ThatGuy]

Well considering every since 9/11 we've been flooded with young men and women volunteering their services, I doubt a draft will go into effect. Interseting read, but yes I beleive they propose a draft every year. Anyone prepared to take a paycut is welcome to come join me though. :smash:

[Replicant_S14]

Anyone prepared to take a paycut is welcome to come join me though. :smash:

haha... yeah. It'll pay off later. Lot's of USMC in my family, they're doing just fine. : )

[The ROMAN]

Isn't there a wierd age order in which people are drafted, like: 18,19,17,16,20,21,22. That's what my dad said it was in Vietnam.

[DuffMan]

The thing is the congressmen who drafted this bill are anti-war and anti-bush and the whole purpose of it is to scare people, and make people not support the war. I'm not saying this out of personal bias either, I dont support the reasons for going to war personally.

There was something about this on tv, maybe it was the Daily Show, haha I dont remember. But yeah no one is actually going to vote for the bill, its just a scare tactic.

[blubottlemax]

A military draft is severly unpopular with congress and the senate right now, especially since none of the services have had a problem with recruiting new members. In fact, all of the services met there quota's early for the first half of the year, and in fact went over them, with the exception of one service. Ive served a total of 9 years in the military (5 years USMC and 4 Years Washington National Guard) and personally I think it was a great experience so far. I haven't been sent to the current conflict yet, but I believe its only a matter of time, I'm expecting within a year or so. Wildly unpopular legislations are presented all the time, all politicians have personal agenda's they try to push through, if nothing else than to just get people thinking. A draft will be brought up and discussed, but think of legislations as just that, discussions for further action, not a die hard, set in stone thing. I'd give a draft about a 1% chance of succeeding. Just my opinion.

[brianglawson]

Id do pretty good, if i was drafted i would stay int he states, Only, and oldest son. ankle with documented 6 breaks, and a bone floating in it now. but i would never EVER fight for the us. if i couldnt go to canada i would go to mexico, or wherever. I already would have a job esencially wherever i went for Blowtherm Paintbooth Company, out of Italy. so id be set:)

[aa87]

The only way i'd fight is to protect the country, as in invasion. I couldnt give a rats flying ass if Bush wants to spread democracy.

[ISTOTOSAO]

The only way i'd fight is to protect the country, as in invasion. I couldnt give a rats flying ass if Bush wants to spread democracy.


Good shit!! That is the way I see it also.

[RBS14]

^^^^
ditto.

[MakotoS13]

the only way i'd fight would be if our actual country came under attack. otherwise, i'm takin a long vacation to canada or japan...

[FastBack 240]

This would fukc shit up royally. The United States would be in shambles and it would do more harm then good. There would be total anarchy.

[v8blakdak]

id be first to ship out to f**k some sh*t up overseas

[Phlip]

After final thought I came to the conclusion that the chances of my being drafted are about as slim as me actually attempting again to sign up at my own free will...

[G_Fish240]

will never happen, should be at the end of the topic headline

[rps13kid]

no worry for me i am the only child and also have hack problems...muhahahah

[carnal_c30]

I wanted to join the military out of HS but the recruiter was hella shady, my friends who serve told me to watch out what the recruiter tells you... and my recruiter fed me some BS about my service requirements this that... so I didnt go through with it

since then I've become lazy.... and on the way to being a total fatass... hahaha

Bush supports the draft from what I've heard while Kerry doesnt
I dont think it will be very hard for them to pass the bill, I mean young people dont vote... so politicians dont give a flying crap about us... if you want them too we better get out there and vote... otherwise our country goes with the evangelical convert the world christians and the AARP old fogies who might think a little military service will put some discipline into todays horrible youth

I wonder if a criminal record will keep you out of the draft??

[blubottlemax]

Hmm... If people felt the same way 50 years ago as a majority of those who have replied, we would all be speaking Japanese or German right now... :ugh:

[Phlip]

Hmm... If people felt the same way 50 years ago as a majority of those who have replied, we would all be speaking Japanese or German right now... :ugh:
50 years ago presented credible threats that could have actually ended in us all speaking Japanese or German, or even to where there would be no Jews in the world... The fact of the matter remains at this particular juncture that this particular conflict presents no chance of us all being islamic or speaking arabic

[carnal_c30]

Hmm... If people felt the same way 50 years ago as a majority of those who have replied, we would all be speaking Japanese or German right now... :ugh:

well out goals are less clear this time around... thats a big issue, if Japan invaded Taiwan man I'd be the first to enlist :D but if we depose one of the middle easts most moderate leaders (extremist muslims never liked Saddam, he was a very moderate leader) while he is crazy... I just dont have the same kind of support for that, obviously we knew the threat of WMDs was overplayed, so other than oil and because Saddam tried to assassinate George W's daddy... so what happened? and how did we misjudge the situation so bad, we screwed the Iraqi's so many times, how could we expect them to welcome us for very long? I dont see Iraq emerging a free democratic country any time soon

even the first gulf war, man I supported that one much more than this one even though Iraq invaded Kuwait because Kuwait was a nation carved out of Iraq by the British to prevent Iraw from having direct ocean access... but still you one country invading another... makes more sense than what we are doing over there right now

[1998cc]

I wonder if a criminal record will keep you out of the draft??
yes. it will keep you out

[FastBack 240]

Doubtful is they really need you. Flat footed or slack jawd you not gonna sit on the couch. You will still go just not take part in combat. Throw a felon into the war as a foot soldier....they are bound to fuck some shit up.

[DRFT]

china here i come

[Phlip]

Funny shit is that I distictly recall discussing this shit (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=49879) once before

[Ghettokracker71]

I wouldn't go....I shouldn't go on the draft board at least. If the Army/Navy/Marine Corp./Coast Guard won't let me enlist,they shouldn't make me fight ! I have had a hernia(sp) repair,wich means they automatically won't let you be an enlisted man :( (That was my first career choice too,damnit.)

[Phlip]

I wouldn't go....I shouldn't go on the draft board at least. If the Army/Navy/Marine Corp./Coast Guard won't let me enlist,they shouldn't make me fight ! I have had a hernia(sp) repair,wich means they automatically won't let you be an enlisted man :( (That was my first career choice too,damnit.)
Same goes for asthma, which is why I got my chance to sit home without worry of ever being drafted.

[ThatGuy]

<---Not eligible for draft. I found the best way to get around being drafted! :fawk:

[Phlip]

<---Not eligible for draft. I found the best way to get around being drafted! :fawk:
^^^ Yeah, the best way around... To volunteer

[ThatGuy]

Actually that's one of the reasons my Dad joined, he didn't want to go to Nam with guys who were drafted becuase he knew they really didn't want to be doing what they were doing. Instead he would go with guys who volunteered to fight. He ended up in El Toro as an MP, never went to Vietnam. But at least he didn't get drafted. Hahaha

[megaseth]

Its good to see an actualy civilized discusion of this topic. its good to see actual educated points instead of "EFF BUSH". in a way, i kinda wish the draft did get reinstated because its one thing to sit around and protest a war you dont like, but its another thing to actually fight in it. i wonder what all these anti-war hippies would do if they returned home after having to fight and be met with a bunch of protesters calling them murders and such.

[carnal_c30]

I dont believe in dodging the draft, if it came around I'd probably enlist just not to get double screwed by getting drafted- atleast I could chose my fate and go through OCS or something instead of being drafted as cannon fodder

I think hippies are fags... saw what they did to the soldiers in Vietnam... and I hope they just sit on their stools smoke their hookahs and die... its one thing to be against a war or to be against government policies but to hate on the soldiers who are just doing their job thats messed up... the best way to change a government is to vote and seek representation from political figures



Its good to see an actualy civilized discusion of this topic. its good to see actual educated points instead of "EFF BUSH". in a way, i kinda wish the draft did get reinstated because its one thing to sit around and protest a war you dont like, but its another thing to actually fight in it. i wonder what all these anti-war hippies would do if they returned home after having to fight and be met with a bunch of protesters calling them murders and such.